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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nuckleman.

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Speaker 2: This is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called

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Speaker 2: The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper,

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Speaker 2: and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast,

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Speaker 2: presented by f HF Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting

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Speaker 2: and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as

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Speaker 2: the place as we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render.

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Speaker 2: This is a much awaited Bear Grease Render. I have

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Speaker 2: been working on the David Crockett series literally since we

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Speaker 2: got done with Boone, and I'll have you know that

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Speaker 2: I was discouraged from working on a Crockett series. Do

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Speaker 2: you have any guesses who discouraged me from working on Crockett?

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Speaker 2: Steve Steve Ranella. Steve Ranella discourge. He was like, Crockett,

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Speaker 2: come on Crockett, and so that didn't discourage me though

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Speaker 2: I continued to work on it.

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Speaker 1: But I have been waiting for.

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Speaker 2: I want to start off with this right here, this

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Speaker 2: book David Crockett, Lying of the West by Michael Wallace.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, from the books that I've read, which

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Speaker 2: I've not read all the Crockett biographies, there are just

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Speaker 2: almost uncountable biographies on Crockett for going way back to

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Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds. But this one is a really good one.

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Speaker 2: It's really in depth, but it also is in the

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Speaker 2: common man's vernacular from a guy who really was passionate

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Speaker 2: about Crockett and is just a reputable historian.

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 2: Basically Michael Wallace. I was waiting on Michael Wallace to

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Speaker 2: be one of the guests on the podcast, and and

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Speaker 2: we've corresponded a lot, and it was not his fault

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Speaker 2: that he couldn't. He wanted to, but he was unable

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Speaker 2: to be on the podcast, but he kept thinking that

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Speaker 2: he might, and so literally for a year, I delayed,

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Speaker 2: and I have emailed him at least once every three

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Speaker 2: months for a year and a half and he's been very,

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Speaker 2: very nice, but has not been able to do it.

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Speaker 2: And so finally I just had to pull the trigger.

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Speaker 2: And I'd already gone to New York to interview Robert Morgan,

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Speaker 2: who's just an expert on anybody. Like any American historical figure,

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Speaker 2: you go talk to Robert Morgan, He's the man. Robert

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Speaker 2: Morgan also wrote a pretty robust chapter, probably like a

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Speaker 2: forty or fifty page chapter.

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Speaker 1: On Crockett in his book.

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Speaker 3: His book.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's called Lions.

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Speaker 3: Of the West.

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Speaker 2: Is that one called this one's called David Crockett the Lion. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so his book Lions of the West. I'm gonna have

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Speaker 2: to fact check it. Well, somebody looked that up. It

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Speaker 2: it it goes through all these different historical characters, and uh,

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Speaker 2: it goes through Boone and Crockett and Kit Carson and

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Speaker 2: all these guys and so. But Robert Morgan was incredible.

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Speaker 2: And then our Scott Williams I just found out about

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Speaker 2: him just recently went over to Tennessee interviewed him.

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Speaker 1: So long waited, long waited.

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Speaker 2: So I'm I'm pleased to have a very strong group

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Speaker 2: of people here today. We're gonna we're gonna switch it

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Speaker 2: up to my right, Michael Roseman sun Spotlights. You've been

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Speaker 2: on here twice, an'ge Michael twice before? Yes, twice before, Michael.

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Speaker 2: Michael owns sunspot Lights, the coon Lights. They always see

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Speaker 2: me and Brent wearing heerd buy in the media store.

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Speaker 1: I hear you're a Crockett expert.

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Speaker 4: Like I told you, Brent thinks I'm a Crockett expert

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Speaker 4: because I know more than he does. But that doesn't

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Speaker 2: You know, I had suspicions that you would be a

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Speaker 2: Crockett guy.

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Speaker 4: Why.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it's the way you look in

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Speaker 2: that coonskin hat. Oh yeah, we haven't told everyone. We're

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Speaker 2: all wearing legitimate Ozark Mountain Dog Tree coonskin hats.

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Speaker 4: So everyone of the one size fits all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a little disagreement on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yours. Yours is on your.

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Speaker 4: Head though barely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you really look like a Crockett expert with

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Speaker 4: I bet no.

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Speaker 1: So were you what year were you born?

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Speaker 4: Seventy six?

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Speaker 2: Seventy six, Okay, so you're not You're you're just a

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Speaker 2: few years older than me. Did you watch Crockett growing up,

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Speaker 2: like the like the Disney shows.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen some, the most of it those from

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Speaker 2: Oh really, Okay, So it wasn't like you had the

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Speaker 2: I got on eBay and uh, there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: really nice David Davy Crockett pocket knives, like legitimate vintage

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can tell they're just kind of junk.

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Speaker 1: But I almost taught a couple.

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Speaker 5: But and I probably will restart the market for that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have I have legitimate plans to revitalize the

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Speaker 2: American raccoon fur trade.

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Speaker 5: Now, I was gonna say it, be honest. Is this

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Speaker 5: just an attempt to get the raccoon numbers down a

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Speaker 5: little bit? This whole podcast just to get people to

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Speaker 5: wear coonskin?

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Speaker 1: To wear the coonskin caps?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 3: Did you say who made these.

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Speaker 2: Early josher Josh Lambridge Spilmmaker made these hats for us. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I've introduced Michael Roseman to his right, my good

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Speaker 2: friend Jay Webb Jonathan Webster. Yeah so Jonathan.

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Speaker 1: Did did Ben? Did you recognize Jonathan's voice? Of course

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Speaker 1: you did? Yeah, mao myself. I didn't want to.

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Speaker 3: With me. You may be on the next man.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to embarrass the people by telling their names. No,

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Webster was the second.

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Speaker 5: I was the third person ambushed by Clay Nucomb with

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Speaker 5: a recorder asking if I knew anything about Davy Crockett,

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Speaker 5: And every thought in my head, which was not many,

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Speaker 5: not have told you a single thing. It was amazing

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Speaker 5: how much I was just like, I don't know anything

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Speaker 5: about David Crockett, So it was perfect. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 2: But now you did tell me afterwards that you confused him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you thought, who'd you think he was? Daniel Boone?

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Speaker 1: That's what I totally You know. Who I wouldn't have

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Speaker 4: Crockett was a martyr, he was a bear hunter.

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Speaker 1: He was at the audition, he was at there Alimo.

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Speaker 2: He formed American identity on manhood and self made man.

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Speaker 3: I totally confused him, and I was.

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Speaker 5: And when I even said like he's a man's man,

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Speaker 5: I was thinking of that song for about Daniel Boone

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Speaker 5: At that time, I was confusing him all over.

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Speaker 1: Well, but your your thing.

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Speaker 2: I played right into what I was trying to say,

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Speaker 2: and you saying that he was a man's man. I

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Speaker 2: brought the question did David Crockett inform Americans about manhood?

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Speaker 1: And he absolutely did?

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: In Wallace's book, he talked about how he used his

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, I love it. Let's go. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: so now the French? Were you actually speaking French?

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Speaker 3: I mean a little bit.

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Speaker 5: I took French in high school, right up to the

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Speaker 1: So what did you say?

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Speaker 5: I said, I'm sorry, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I could say cheese omelet in French? Go ahead, go ahead,

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Speaker 3: omelet do from mom.

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Speaker 5: I'm guessing that's a little Dexter's laboratory from back in

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Speaker 3: Man, I don't know what that is, all right.

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Speaker 1: Why do you know that?

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Speaker 3: Because I heard Steve Martin say it on a comedy.

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Speaker 1: Say that again, Brenton? What it is?

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Speaker 3: Omelet do fromage?

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 3: Cheese omelet, cheese omelin.

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Speaker 5: We've gone international now we're sophisticated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that that was perfect to h to your right,

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Speaker 2: Ben Lagron.

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Speaker 1: Ben.

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Speaker 2: Ben's been stepping in here recently quite a bit old

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Speaker 2: history teacher. Balance families on Instagram, Balance birth couple. I'm

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Speaker 6: Yes, speaking of which, the first time I was on here,

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Speaker 6: The first time I was on here, there was a

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Speaker 2: That's funny, he was. He was getting pumped. That's good,

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Speaker 2: that's good. Did you ever teach Crockett Ben.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially with the Alamo?

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Speaker 6: Oh really, yeah, that's always kind of mentioned just in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in American history.

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Speaker 6: And you know when you came up to me like

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Speaker 3: I get that all the time as a history teacher.

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Speaker 6: People think, because you're a history teacher, you know everything

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Speaker 6: and especially older people will they'll stuff studies something really

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Speaker 3: In your head and your hat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I find that a lot of these

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Speaker 2: it's been it's been a couple of years since I

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Speaker 2: wrote that book. I wrote it in twenty seventeen. And

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Speaker 2: and you're just thinking, man, this guy lives and breathes

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Speaker 2: this He could he could recite this book in his sleep,

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Speaker 2: and and he was wanting to do to come to justice.

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Speaker 2: reread the book and then came on the podcast. And

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Speaker 1: And that's why you were able to say, well, you're

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Speaker 2: But most people like like the Spillmakers did pretty good.

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Speaker 2: So I interviewed Josh and Christie Spillmaker, who Josh is

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Speaker 2: of the Wild Frontier, the Alamo Coonskin hat, Walt Disney song.

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Speaker 3: Hat, man, I look good at anything, Okay.

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Speaker 3: That's what he said, Let's see what do I know

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Speaker 1: So anyway, those guys, yeah, they're from Texas. They don't

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Speaker 2: But I did have some people. We're gonna get in.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, he showed it. Yeah, yeah, I've seen it.

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Speaker 2: But when I I caught that coon by hand on

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Speaker 4: Off. Caught a bunch of them. We used to train

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Speaker 2: No, I saw Michael catch one. I think we've talked

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Speaker 6: Okay, well it's pretty arbitrary, so you can cut this out.

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Speaker 6: I have been dying to know the functional benefit of

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Speaker 3: Okay, I think it's more style, style, okay, as well

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Speaker 6: I heard that one and I thought, I don't know

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Speaker 3: All that stuff I would either have to carry, I'd

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Speaker 1: Well, let me talk. And you think you wear overalls

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Speaker 2: It wasn't wrong, it just was it didn't have as

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Speaker 3: It was missing a certain what do you think? I feel.

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Speaker 4: The biggest reason is so he doesn't wind up like

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Speaker 2: That's the biggest What I was going to say was

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Speaker 2: And so when you wear pants and when you wear

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Speaker 2: And and you can, you know, if you're if you're

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Speaker 3: Doubtful. Doubtful, but possible. But I just they're comfortable and

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Speaker 2: It Also what I like about him is, uh, when

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Speaker 3: You're selling me, I might have to try.

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Speaker 6: Y'all need a Brent Reeves line overall marketed as the

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Speaker 2: Brent needs a pair of overalls with a flip up

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Speaker 2: coonskin hat the back.

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Speaker 3: Pyramids, pyramids, pyramid schemes. How can I get in? And

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Speaker 2: So I had a lot of a lot of interest

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: I told him, none your business.

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Speaker 2: I gave him his number, but only after I was

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Speaker 3: Do you get a referral commission?

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Speaker 2: I wish I wish maybe we'll see I guess now

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Speaker 4: Banjo's the one you thought was going to kill you.

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Speaker 2: was training that I hunted the fair bed last fall.

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Speaker 2: Brent hunted him some, Michael hunted with her a little bit,

444
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 2: and uh and somebody said, we heard about Banjo? What

445
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,400
Speaker 2: happened to Hoot? And I think this is a great

446
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: time to tell the world that, like like Crockett brought

447
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 2: in to helped usher into American identity, that you get

448
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 2: what you get by merit.

449
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Speaker 1: Who didn't make now who's alive? We didn't like take me?

450
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: No, I felt like I gave I gave a Hoot

451
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: a good chance. I left her with a guy that

452
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 2: hunted a man used to I would have never done this,

453
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: but I'm traveling and I had a guy hunter for

454
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Speaker 2: me for about forty five days, and he hunted probably

455
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 2: twelve or fifteen times up here in the mountains. I

456
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: sent her down with Brent. How long did y'all have her?

457
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: Michael and Brent.

458
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Speaker 3: Month? About a month? Over a month?

459
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Speaker 1: No, yeah, only hunted her like three times.

460
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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, you said, how long did we have her?

461
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 3: We had it a little over a month.

462
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: Okay, But y'all didn't hunt her that much?

463
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 3: No, No, because of water and yeah, we were floodshed,

464
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 3: so that was going on.

465
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Speaker 2: And and and then I hunted her quite a bit,

466
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Speaker 2: and she just she just never she didn't She didn't

467
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: hunt hard enough for me. She was almost two years

468
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: old and just wasn't making it happen. And so I

469
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: considered buying a dog from Michael. But and it was

470
00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: a good one.

471
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Speaker 1: Just you'll have Rocker, yeah night.

472
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Speaker 4: No, it's not for sale, No, not unless you want him. Yeah. Yeah,

473
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 4: he's been hunting last night.

474
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Speaker 1: So if it gets out that I was hunting a walker,

475
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: my my career is over. Because you guess you got

476
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: to do the plotthounds, right, I mean I don't have to.

477
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 4: I'm going to give you a piece of advice, the

478
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 4: same piece of advice that I gave Brent about dogs,

479
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 4: I get a dog that I like every between six

480
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 4: to eight years. This is so said six to eight.

481
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 4: About every six to eight years, I find one to

482
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 4: replace what I'm currently hunting. So in the meantime, we

483
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 4: try a lot of puppies, a lot of young dogs,

484
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 4: and we go through them and they get home somewhere

485
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 4: else because they're just not going to make for what

486
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 4: I want, just like what happened with you with who.

487
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Speaker 4: But my piece of advice is go buy one is

488
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Speaker 4: doing what it's doing. Because I told you seven to

489
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Speaker 4: eight years, I asked Brent, I said, Brent, how old

490
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 4: are you? How old are you? Brent? I said, man,

491
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 4: you only got two or three dogs left, and a

492
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 4: lot of aggravations he said, He said, I had never

493
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 4: thought of it. He said, I wish you wouldn't even

494
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Speaker 4: call me. But it's true, you don't have that many

495
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 4: dogs left.

496
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I got a few.

497
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 4: More, Brent, one or two.

498
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Speaker 1: True story.

499
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 4: I mean that when you start counting in fives and tens,

500
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 4: it goes by pretty quick.

501
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense to invest in. Yeah, it started.

502
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: Okay now here here's what you got to talk me

503
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: down from and I'm open to people from outside the

504
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 2: coon hunting community chiming in Ben and Jonathan, which both

505
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: of y'all have coon hunting with me.

506
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've a coonhu with me, hadn't you been?

507
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: Yes?

508
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 6: And and technically I was a coon dog owner as

509
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 6: a child.

510
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, black and tent.

511
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: It didn't work out at the whole nother long story.

512
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: So here's my problem is that I it's hard for

513
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: me to to take a dog from somebody else that

514
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: just bought. I mean, because it's almost and now I'll

515
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: make a case against it, and then I'll probably go

516
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: and maybe do it.

517
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: But it's almost like.

518
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 4: Do it feel like cheating?

519
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 3: Yeah?

520
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you didn't. You didn't You didn't raise a dog,

521
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 1: you didn't train it and.

522
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 5: Find that right one.

523
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been through these stages where you're at YEP.

524
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 4: I used to if I didn't raise it, I didn't

525
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 4: want it. I went through a phase where if it

526
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 4: wasn't out of my dogs that I owned, that I

527
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 4: didn't carry anything about it. And I'm to the point

528
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 4: now that if it'll do what I wanted to do,

529
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 4: I don't have but four or five left, so I

530
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 4: need to get what I can get.

531
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Speaker 5: Yeah, how many in your experience, Michael, how many? What's

532
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 5: like the percentage of like good coon dogs that you

533
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 5: try out that actually work out? Is it like ten

534
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 5: percent or less or fifty percent or less actually turn

535
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Speaker 5: out to be good.

536
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: He's not trying out just the average run of the

537
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 2: mill dog. I mean, Michael is like a very very

538
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 2: serious coon.

539
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 4: Now, there's a difference in a dog that will running

540
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 4: tree a coon and a coon dog. Okay, that's the first.

541
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Speaker 4: So as far as dogs, it will tree coons maybe,

542
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 4: I mean, just you can turn it loose hunted enough,

543
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 4: it'll tree a coon. Maybe fifty percent, Okay, the kind

544
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 4: that I'm looking for one percent?

545
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Speaker 3: One percent. Yeah, here's the difference. Because what he ain't

546
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Speaker 3: saying that I know to be a fact is he's

547
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 3: got a dog right now and any dog that he's

548
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 3: ever had that I've hunted with. And when that when

549
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 3: he says, this dog is started and going good and

550
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: you know, maybe not finished yet, but a dog that

551
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: he can turn loose and it will leave there in

552
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: a cloud of dust and trail and tree a coon

553
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 3: in ten minutes. When we get when we get to

554
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 3: the tree, look at the coon. He turns them loose

555
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: to go tree another. He looks at me and says

556
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: he should have done that in eight minutes.

557
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Speaker 4: I am a little picky.

558
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Speaker 3: He ain't. He's a lot pick Clay. Would you have

559
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: that same level of pickiness because if he.

560
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Speaker 1: Undred dogs, Yeah, I mean, Michael and I would be

561
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Speaker 1: a different I mean, I'm just not as a serious

562
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Michael's business in his life has been dedicated

563
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: to coon hunting. I am a recreational coon hunter.

564
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 2: I love a good dog, and I appreciate a good

565
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: dog when I'm with one, and I feel like I've

566
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 2: owned one good dog and uh and I so I

567
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 2: would be happy with less than what Michael would probably,

568
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: but I have been trying so. My dog, Fern died

569
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Speaker 2: in December.

570
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Speaker 1: She was eight years old. Died a little prematurely.

571
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: I think I probably had a couple more winners with her,

572
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: and she died a little prematurely. And I've been trying

573
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 2: to replace her with dogs from the line that she

574
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: was out of for about five years and couldn't quite

575
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Speaker 2: make it happen. Though Michael I may have made him.

576
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: It wasn't a mistake. It wasn't a mistake, but I

577
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: gave Straight Cdio out in New Mexico a dog that

578
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: I had started on Coon that was doing good, and.

579
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Speaker 1: I just kind of thought.

580
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: We hunted was straight out there, and I just thought

581
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Speaker 2: she would do good for him. And I was feeling generous,

582
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: and I wanted to see how one of my dogs

583
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: would do on lions out there in the west, and

584
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: so I told straight if he'd drive Darkansas and get her,

585
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: I'd give him to him. I think she was eleven

586
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: months old. So he literally drove straight from New Mexico here,

587
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: got the dog, turned around, drove straight back and is

588
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: hunting Opie to this.

589
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Speaker 3: Day and doing good.

590
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he says, she's a real lying dog. She probably

591
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: would have been a dog that I had been happy

592
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: with if i'd have kept her and hunted her and whatnot.

593
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: But I've been through at least four or five dogs

594
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: that didn't work out right.

595
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 4: But even Rocker. You liked Rocker. He did good. The

596
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 4: first night we cut him loose, he treated three just bam,

597
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 4: bam bam. I looked at Clay and I said, now, look,

598
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 4: he is not this good. That's what I told him.

599
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 4: I said, I know, he looks like I'm telling you.

600
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 4: He is not this good and and he showed more

601
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 4: kind of he he messed up in the next few nights.

602
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 4: But he is a really nice dog. But he's still

603
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 4: not what I would hunt even at that.

604
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm I'm in the market for a dog.

605
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: I just gotta have a dog by this winter, you know.

606
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: And and I do have a coon dog. I got

607
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: Jed right right back out there, and Jed on a

608
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: good night would go trick coon for us. But he's

609
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: he's not a coon dog. He was sure a coon

610
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: dog when he was with Fern though.

611
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of them are like that.

612
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So all right, David Crockett, Jonathan what so

613
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: you we know where you start and after what most

614
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: stood out to you in this episode one? And man, hey,

615
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: there are three more episodes gonna I'll go ahead and

616
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: tell you we've never done a four part series on anybody.

617
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: We've always done, We've done, We've been successful at running

618
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: these three part series.

619
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Speaker 1: This one's gonna be for Are you.

620
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Speaker 5: Gonna pace it after what Robert Morgan said, the bear

621
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 5: hunter the politician?

622
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Speaker 3: Are you gonna pay after.

623
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Speaker 5: That's cool?

624
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

625
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, him as a bear hunter was was pretty impressive,

626
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 5: Like I kind of get why people back east would

627
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 5: have been impressed just hearing that segment that you read

628
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Speaker 5: from his autobiography. I mean, not only did the man

629
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 5: survive like three instances in like a weekend that would

630
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 5: have been like life defining for me, but he did

631
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 5: even though various clips that you said, he just had

632
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 5: a way of talking that I don't I don't know.

633
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 5: It's when you read these things that it's kind of

634
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 5: easy to think that everybody back in that time would

635
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 5: have talked that way, thought that way. But I think

636
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 5: what you're keying in on and one of the reasons

637
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 5: he was such an archetype was that maybe not everybody

638
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 5: was talking that way and not every but he was

639
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 5: describing themselves that way, acting that way. But man, his

640
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 5: what you described of him as a bear hunter was

641
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 5: was pretty impressive. Yeah, I do have go ahead, Well

642
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 5: I have a question about his bear hunting. So do

643
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 5: you you read that section and he said he killed

644
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 5: one hundred and five bears in a year?

645
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Speaker 4: Is that?

646
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: What?

647
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 4: What is you?

648
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 5: What do you guys think about that from like a

649
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 5: conservation standpoint? Now, obviously it's totally different two hundred years ago,

650
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 5: but would that have been.

651
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 3: Ago.

652
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: Those guys are the reason we have game laws today.

653
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: I mean, the market hunting era of the US was

654
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: a wanton a wanton.

655
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: Waste of wild life.

656
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: I mean, that's probably the wrong way to describe it.

657
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: It was an excessive, unsustainable use of wildlife, and so

658
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: the pendulum swung. The pendulum when when those guys first

659
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: got here was that this is an inexhaustible resource that

660
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 2: will never go away, so we can do whatever we want,

661
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: no rules and regulations. They were market hunting these bears.

662
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: Crockett was making money. He was incentivized financially to go

663
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Speaker 2: and kill as many bears as he could, along with

664
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: thousands of other people. Yeah, and honestly, Krockett killing one

665
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: hundred and five bears in a year really wasn't that

666
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: big a deal. I mean, I there are people in

667
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: the country today who have dogs that they don't they

668
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: don't kill that many, but they tree way more than

669
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: that sometimes in a year, like groups of people like

670
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: a like a in traveling to different states.

671
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: So absolutely.

672
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: But but the way I like to think about it

673
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: is that the wanton disregard of the sustainability of the

674
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: thing produced the most robust wildlife management system in the

675
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 2: history of mankind, so.

676
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: Absolutely fascinating, fascinating man.

677
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

678
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: And and it's those stories about Boone and Crockett that

679
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: have have fueled and I'm gonna call it sport hunting,

680
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: even though I don't like that term. Those stories, those guys,

681
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: those archetypes, those icons have fueled the American sport hunting

682
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: culture because we all want to be like those guys.

683
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: I mean we do. I mean, like, I.

684
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 2: Just love hearing these stories about crocatt And and you know,

685
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: we go out and kill a couple of bears a

686
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: year maybe, and it's like incredible until we eat the

687
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: meat and render the fat. And these guys were killing

688
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: hundreds a year and it's just just wild.

689
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 4: Do you like bear meat better than deer meat?

690
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

691
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: Me too.

692
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 4: I do not, but I do like it, but I

693
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 4: don't like it.

694
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 2: You have never if you I fed bear meat last

695
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: night to a family that's not from here and not

696
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: introduced it all to wild game, and every one of

697
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: the kids ate it and loved it. Bear meat doesn't

698
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: have a wild taste. You can screw it up. And

699
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: I don't know how people do. They probably leave a bear.

700
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 4: And I didn't have wild taste at all. Well, I

701
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 4: just liked the texture and the taste of deer meat better, really,

702
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: But I've ate deer meat all my life, so that

703
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 4: may have something to do with it. But I was wondering,

704
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 4: you know, so they they seem to like bear meat

705
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 4: better than deer meat. Do you think they liked bear

706
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 4: hunting better than deer hunting because of the dogs.

707
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: And it's just like today.

708
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: I mean, there's one of people that, I mean, they

709
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: were market hunting for deer as well and making big

710
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: money off of selling the skins. I'm sure it would

711
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 2: be there would be people that didn't like bear hunting

712
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: with hounds back then because of the work and taking

713
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: care of the dogs, all the same reasons that somebody

714
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 2: might like not like hound hunting today, just for the

715
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: technicalities of the sport. They might like deer hunting better,

716
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, Crockett, it's known who loved

717
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: the bear hunting with hounds, because usually that was the

718
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: thing they were most excited about, and Crockett clearly was.

719
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 2: Even though there's lots of lots of stories of Crockett

720
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 2: killing Big Bucks Crockett once in all, in his autobiography,

721
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 2: he tells that at his house he has on one

722
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: side of the room the rack of a giant buck

723
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: and on the other side the paws of a bear

724
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: in his house.

725
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so he was a big dealer.

726
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: How commonplace that was back then, of keeping antlers as

727
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: trophies and stuff like that, Yeah.

728
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: It certainly wasn't as common as is today. I mean,

729
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 2: like pretty much any buck we killed today, keeping the horns.

730
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: I think those guys kept horns if they were in

731
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 2: a place where they could get them back to their

732
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: house easily, or a spectacular set of horns like Gershtocker

733
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 2: when he was in Arkansas would have killed an incredible

734
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: amount of deer in seven years and one time once

735
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: or twice in his book he talked about the side

736
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: of a buck. Now he didn't have the boonecrack and measurement.

737
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: He didn't have a way to say it was one

738
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty inch buck, or his times were long,

739
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: or like they the way they described deer was just

740
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: very rudimentary, a giant stag.

741
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: You know. Now we have these technical ways that we

742
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 1: describe antlers.

743
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: But I'm amazed though too, even today, like lou Delle

744
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: and Charlie, we did this genuine Outlaws series on Loudale

745
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 2: and Charlie. Both these guys are passed away, these guys

746
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 2: from Arkansas. I asked Stony their sons. I said, do

747
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 2: you have any of the horns from the bucks your

748
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: dad and uncles killed? And he looked at me. It

749
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 2: was just like now, And I said really and he said, well,

750
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 2: there's one they had mounted. And I said, what about

751
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 2: all the other deer and he said, oh, they gave

752
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: horns away. He said, the last last couple of years,

753
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 2: his dad killed or his uncle killed a big bucket

754
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 2: deer camp. I mean a big bucket deer camp. And

755
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: he said, we skinned it out and dad gave the

756
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: horns to one of the boys. Well, they just didn't care.

757
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 4: These deer up here on your wall, why do you

758
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 4: have them? I mean in your thought process? What do

759
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 4: you keep antlers for?

760
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I would I'm a I'm a product of

761
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: the modern white tail hunting world. I mean, to me,

762
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 2: a white tail antler is a thing of extreme beauty,

763
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: and it's like a unique art form of nature. That is,

764
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: each one is unique. There's not another one like it.

765
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: I think they the size of a buck represents oftentimes

766
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: the maturity of that animal, the difficulty to kill that animal.

767
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: But I think it's art man.

768
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 4: They're just memories for me. Now we're human beings. Are

769
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 4: there were memory collectors that after this moment, all we

770
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: had of the previous moment was memories, and those are

771
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 4: memory reminders. That's what they are for me. I can

772
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 4: look up there and I can say, I remember that day,

773
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 4: I remember what happened. I remember other than that, they

774
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 4: don't hold a place for me, but they are memory

775
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 4: reminders of what.

776
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, mister coon hunter. If you

777
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: got a mounted coon in your house.

778
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 4: I do, and it was bought at Bastpro.

779
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: What do you mean you couldn't buy a real coon?

780
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 4: Mountn't anything about a coon. I could never. I could

781
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 4: treat possums. I don't care. It's all about the dog.

782
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: Did you see my stop tree possums?

783
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 4: Yeah?

784
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: And not care.

785
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, if there were no coons.

786
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: Possum Look up above your head, you see that coon? Yeah?

787
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: That coon?

788
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 2: Okay, when I killed that coon, I've got a mounted

789
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: coon right up there, Michael, When I killed that coon,

790
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: I we had been hunting hard for five years and

791
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: shooting every coon that we treat and when we killed it,

792
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: I told my son, I said, that is the biggest

793
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: coon I have seen in this five year block, like

794
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: without a doubt. I'd only remembered one I felt like

795
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 2: was bigger that we killed ten years ago. When I

796
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 2: was hunting with another guy, I went to my neighbor's

797
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: certified scale. He has a certified livestock scale, and again

798
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: this coon was so big that I was like, boys,

799
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, this is the biggest coon we have

800
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 2: killed in five years hunting. What do you think that

801
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 2: coon weighed?

802
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: This is I mean, you don't even need to see it,

803
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: just like it's a mountain coon.

804
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty pounds.

805
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: Twenty pounds, okay, biggest coon in five years, fourteen fourteen,

806
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 2: that's the one that's it, that's him.

807
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 6: Oh man, yeah, I would say like around fifteen, yeah, fifteen.

808
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 5: Twenty two, eighty bob.

809
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 3: One dollar.

810
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 2: I thought you, I thought you were going to speak French.

811
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 2: That coon weighed eighteen and a half pounds. Eighteen and

812
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: a half pounds, wow. And most of them are weighing,

813
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 2: you know in.

814
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: The twelve twelve, bigger one, fourteen fifteen big yeah, oh yeah.

815
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 4: The biggest one I ever killed was the second coon

816
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 4: we ever killed. He was thirty pounds in Arkansas in

817
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 4: the Delta. Yeah, and that's huge for down there too.

818
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 4: I mean a ten to fifteen pound coon to a

819
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 4: great big coon down there. He was just abnormally large.

820
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 4: It was second coon we ever treat.

821
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 3: Hey.

822
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: Maybe this is I don't know, it's been a long

823
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: time since I thought about Opie.

824
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: You know what dog struck that coon?

825
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 3: Opie? Opie did?

826
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 1: She sure did.

827
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: That was the first time I thought she might have

828
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 2: some potential because I turned her out by herself and

829
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: she went up in this hollow and struck a coon

830
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: and she was working at and I tell she couldn't

831
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: quite figure it out. So I turned fern loose right

832
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: behind her or you know, like ten minutes later, and

833
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: they went in there and treated it. So she she

834
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: was young though, but they treat that coon.

835
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

836
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 5: Another question about coming back to David Crockett. Yes, do

837
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 5: you think he was an exceptional bear hunter or do

838
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 5: you think that it was like do you think that

839
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 5: he was a bear hunter just like other bear hunters

840
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,479
Speaker 5: would have been at that time, and there was something

841
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 5: about his personality that made him really stand.

842
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: Out, like his self promotion or whatever.

843
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think he was. I think he was

844
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: a top end bear hunter. Like I don't think there

845
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 2: were many guys that were better than him. I don't

846
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: think he would have been like the best in the

847
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: country at that time. I mean he he was good.

848
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 2: He was just known. Huh, you know, he was just known.

849
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 5: Something about that story where he said his friend when

850
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 5: he went to go get him back, and he said

851
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 5: that he wouldn't have chased that bear in there. I

852
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 5: didn't know if that meant he was just taking more

853
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 5: risks and just kind.

854
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 4: Of yeah, kind of a wild man.

855
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: That was a good catch because it was hard to

856
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: catch what he was saying. But yeah, he was saying, man,

857
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even gone after that bear like you did.

858
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: I'm not.

859
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: I think he was really good, but I think there

860
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: were other guys that were just as good that you

861
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: just didn't care about.

862
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 4: Didn't the way he was bear hunting with dog though,

863
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 4: I mean how good a bear hunter he was most

864
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 4: but depending on how good his dogs were too, and

865
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 4: they were treeancons, he wasn't still hunting them.

866
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: He may have seen those guys though.

867
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 2: Back then without GPS callers, it was an athletic event.

868
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: Ohh for sure, you have to stay with the dogs

869
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: and be with them, be within here in distance, going

870
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 2: to these dogs late at night, spending the night out.

871
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: In the wood.

872
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was like a trying to triathlon trying

873
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: to knee kap a bear when you get right next

874
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: to him. And that was that was.

875
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 2: A pretty good descriptor in the dark feeling the bear

876
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: being bade by me.

877
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: And Michael was listening to it again on the way

878
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 3: up here today and I said, well, when he was

879
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: talking about he fell down and started his behind, I said,

880
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: well he started on the right end.

881
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 6: Yeah.

882
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 4: Now, obviously he was in the the earthquake area. What

883
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 4: was he calling the hurricane?

884
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: Oh, that is a good question, and I don't have

885
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 2: a great answer. I had a guy text me today

886
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 2: and said, what is a hurricane?

887
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 4: I'm going to assume it was tornado damage?

888
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: That's what I said, really, yeah, I think, yeah, Do

889
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: you have any any more?

890
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 4: I mean, no, no, that I just assumed that obviously

891
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 4: there wasn't a hurricane in Tennessee. Yeah, And I don't

892
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 4: know what they called them back then, but it would

893
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 4: have probably been tornado damage, which would have been great

894
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,959
Speaker 4: for bear because it would have been exposed to the sun,

895
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 4: it would have had berries, it would have had.

896
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: Yep, that's exactly what I said, because just think about

897
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 2: the Eastern deciduous forests being just this one big blanket

898
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: pretty much of a big forest. And like I know

899
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 2: for a fact, the Hurricane Creek drainage that's within about

900
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: that's in the Ozarks, one of them, Yep, that Gersh

901
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: Darker talked about. He said that they called it the

902
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 2: hurricane because of a hurricane that came through and went

903
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: through the valley, and they called them hurricanes.

904
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: It was a tornado.

905
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: And then that would create essentially like a clear cut, right,

906
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: it would knock all the trees down. Then the underbrush

907
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: would start to grow up secondary trees, grape vines, berries, blackberries,

908
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: and so if you're if you're in an ancient primeval

909
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 2: forest that's never been cut before, that would be like

910
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: big hardwood and pine timber like over and over the

911
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: over in that country be a little different, but basically

912
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: big hardwood forest which would have expansive canopy and not

913
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 2: a lot of understory, which would not be that great

914
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: for wildlife. Where there was disturbance, like a tornado would

915
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 2: be incredible for wildlife. So that's where they went. Yeah,

916
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: well that's a great that's a good that's a good question.

917
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: Ben. What stood out to you off the top of

918
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: your well, A coupleskin hats.

919
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 6: It's compty, I like a couple of things. Number one,

920
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 6: when you're talking about memories, I was immediately transported to

921
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 6: one of the oldest things I kept from childhood, which

922
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 6: was my coonskin cat that I got at disney World.

923
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: Really five years old.

924
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, five years old, so early nineties, and.

925
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 3: So that trip.

926
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,479
Speaker 6: I don't remember a ton about that trip, except for

927
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 6: it's a small world because of its possessive power over

928
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 6: the human mind, being terrified of the haunted mansion and

929
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 6: getting that coonskin cat, and I remember my dad buying

930
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 6: it and handing it to me and be like, that's

931
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 6: a Davy Crockett hat, and as a youngster being like

932
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 6: crowned in this superpower. But I didn't know much about him,

933
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 6: you know. And so one of my one of the

934
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 6: things I've been pondering about since yesterday listening to it,

935
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 6: was like I understand why he was significant in a

936
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 6: celebrity status back then, and just knowing the context and

937
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 6: the lack of media and the like if you get

938
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 6: published with anything. I mean, that is like the Internet

939
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 6: for people.

940
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: It wasn't like everybody had a whole lot to choose from.

941
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, And you know, bear hunting is an exciting

942
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 6: those are exciting stories because of some of the danger

943
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 6: involved and stuff. But anyway, the question in my mind

944
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 6: is like why do we why why does he impress

945
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 6: himselves so much on us? And my conclusion is that

946
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 6: it's because he was introducing our childhood, and anything introduced

947
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 6: in your childhood imprints on you differently than as an adult.

948
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 6: Like if somebody came to me now and told me

949
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 6: about the same guy that I never heard of, it's

950
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 6: gonna be Oh, that's cool. And one example is like sports.

951
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 6: You know, I when you follow sports guys now as

952
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 6: an adult, you're like, yeah, they're they're really good. It's cool,

953
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 6: you're excited, especially if they're on the team that you like.

954
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 6: But the sports guys I follow when I was a kid, yeah,

955
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 6: like Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, I was a big Cowboys fan.

956
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 6: I saw those guys in person. I mean it was

957
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 6: like I remember writing a letter to Emmitt Smith and yeah, yeah,

958
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 6: and I found it later unmailed by my parents.

959
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, last.

960
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: One on the coon hat minus one.

961
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 3: I got behind him on the JFK. That what goes

962
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 3: around Dallas the Interstate Park really and it was I

963
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 3: remember the license place that catch twenty two. I thought,

964
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 3: that's kind of weird. As with Drow. I was riding

965
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 3: my brother. I was driving by and to hit he

966
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 3: was a Mercedes and his winds rolled down and there

967
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: was in with Smith like that was just wow, that's crazy.

968
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: I should I should have asked you did you ever

969
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 3: get that?

970
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,959
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a funny letter because back as a kid,

971
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 6: I thought when you really like something, you always use

972
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 6: the word love. So the whole letters me saying I

973
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 6: love you, man, I love you.

974
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: I love you.

975
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 3: Didn't Yeah, yeah, exactly so. But anyway, that was what

976
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 3: I was thinking about.

977
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 6: I was like, because I was introduced to this figure

978
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 6: as a young kid, it's like such a.

979
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 2: Well, that's who Disney targeted in the nineteen fifties. They

980
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: didn't target the dads. They targeted the kids and sold

981
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: them a bunch of stuff brilliantly like we we America

982
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: came back from World War Two and had all this

983
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: ability to produce trinkets, and people had extra money, and

984
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 2: there was all this manufacturing and plastic and all this stuff,

985
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: and it it it created this merchandising frenzy over Crockett,

986
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: which imprinted the nation. And then we inherited it. You know,

987
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: I'm ten years older than you or something, Ben, and

988
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: we we kind of inherited Crockett.

989
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: And I remember the Crockett song vividly.

990
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I could have told you all the high

991
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: points of Davy Crockett and that he was like a

992
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: bad to the bone dude and a hunter coonskin hat.

993
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: Just liked him.

994
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: Like when I see when I see fest Parker's picture

995
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: wearing buckskins and carrying a long rifle, it just I

996
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 2: just like it, like I just I mean, I would

997
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: have even pre researching him. It's just like ingrained in us.

998
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: And that's that's what's so interesting to me. It's like,

999
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 2: why does my brother was the one who sang the

1000
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: Davy ballat of Davy Crockett, Zach nukelemb Oh, it was Zach.

1001
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 1: And it's like, Zach's not a big hunter.

1002
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 2: He did kill a nice buck last year, two years ago,

1003
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: but you know, like why does Zach neuclemb Remember the

1004
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 2: Davy Crockett song. I mean, how many how many songs

1005
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: from nineteenth the nineteen fifties could he just sing with

1006
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 2: a with a single cue of one.

1007
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: Word Crockett, go Davy even Crockt. Probably not many. So

1008
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: it's like how why It is kind of a mystery.

1009
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 6: It's your childhood swear you're at Devenamilenny, how you grab

1010
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 6: a hold of things.

1011
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 2: But I think it's more complex than that though, be

1012
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: I mean, that's definitely major component, But I also think

1013
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: it's because there's something to grab on too that goes

1014
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: back to this American identity of when we were first America.

1015
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: And I mean, even if you're patriotic, you're not patriotic.

1016
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm talking about. I'm just saying the

1017
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 2: fact that he was. He did something to the culture

1018
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: that was big. And what we're going to learn in

1019
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: episode two is that Crockett influenced a bunch of people.

1020
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 2: Crockett influenced Lincoln, Crockett influenced Mark Twain. Crockett influenced American

1021
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 2: culture like BAM and so when we hear him, it's

1022
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: like our blood, you know what I mean, And it

1023
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: just like and obviously to some people more than others.

1024
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: I'm interested in rural America and hunting and something. You know,

1025
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: crock is gonna mean something.

1026
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 3: It was really you know, I didn't see it was

1027
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 3: reruns when I was a kid. I was born in

1028
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 3: sixty six. So when did that Walt Disney Stuffy five? Yeah, okay,

1029
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 3: so it was there were reruns that when Walked Wide

1030
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,479
Speaker 3: World of Disney or whatever it was. It it came

1031
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 3: on Sunday evenings, and we was always wanting, oh, man,

1032
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 3: I hope it's David Crockett. Hope it's Daniel Boom.

1033
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: You mean, you couldn't fast forward and record actually had

1034
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 2: to be there, you had to be there.

1035
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 3: On NBC on Channel four. But when when that would

1036
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 3: come on, it was immediately we were engaged in it

1037
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 3: because he was doing stuff that we knew about. You know,

1038
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 3: we could watch Escape from Which Mountain or all the

1039
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 3: other stories and movies that you know, Herpie and Doctor,

1040
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 3: the Professor, the Nutty Professor or whatever, and he's making

1041
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: tennis shoes that you can jump over and shoot a basket,

1042
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 3: getting shoot a basketball. All of these movies that were

1043
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 3: just so far fetched from anything that I'd ever seen before,

1044
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 3: but somebody walking out of the house with a rifle

1045
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 3: in your hand and dragging a deer back. Oh yeah,

1046
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 3: not only do I know that I've done that, or

1047
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 3: I watched my dad do it, or it was something

1048
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,879
Speaker 3: immediately that you could you could grab on through that,

1049
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: you know this he's like us, yeah, and we're like

1050
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 3: and we're like him like a reality show. Yeah for real.

1051
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 3: It was just like he's femine uncle Charles there, you know,

1052
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 3: or something.

1053
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 1: So what was your favorite part? What stood out to you, Brent.

1054
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 3: In this part or in this this edition, I guess

1055
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 3: episode the part where knowing I didn't know here that

1056
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 3: he wrote his own book, I didn't know that. So

1057
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 3: and I've I actually ordered it from Amazon and I'll

1058
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: be yep, that's the one, and I'm.

1059
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 5: Titled David Crockett not Day Yeah David.

1060
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 3: So I'm anxious to read that and out of all

1061
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 3: the stuff, you know, I've been familiar with in my

1062
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 3: whole life since I was six or seven, you know,

1063
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 3: and remember that kind of stuff. And I'm I'm today

1064
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 3: years old, actually Wednesday when that came out that I

1065
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 3: learned that he wrote his own autobiography. Yeah, so I'm.

1066
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: Not feeling like Michael. I'm gonna be coming back to

1067
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 2: you in just a second to ask you what was

1068
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: your favorite part or what you learned. I think I

1069
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 2: think the Crockett autobiography in a way did him disservice.

1070
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 2: And I think you'll see it if you read it

1071
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 2: when I first read it.

1072
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 3: Don't.

1073
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will, I will taint. I will put my

1074
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: thoughts on top of you. But that's kind of what

1075
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: we do on this podcast.

1076
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: You can want to try to step out, just try

1077
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 3: to anything he puts towards me anyway.

1078
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: No, Crockett, this was a political rebuttal. This was a

1079
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 2: political rebuttal. He was he was being we're gonna learn

1080
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 2: all this in episode three about his political career. But

1081
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 2: basically they thought he was the only guy that could

1082
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: beat Andrew Jackson. And so this this group, this political group,

1083
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 2: the Whigs, were trying to recording him for presidential run,

1084
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 2: which was wild, like it would it would be almost

1085
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: equivalent to like a Donald Trump running for president. It's

1086
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 2: just this this like wild yeah, even though he was

1087
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: in politics, but it was just like just like wow, really.

1088
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, And those two were enemies also Jackson. Jackson and

1089
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 4: for sure. Yeah, they didn't like each other at all,

1090
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 4: hadn't liked each other from way back.

1091
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.

1092
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 2: And so this book is not If I was his editor,

1093
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: I would have been like, hey, dude, we got to

1094
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 2: cut all the last fortune, you know, you would have

1095
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: about half of it's really about his life and the

1096
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: other half is kind of political retribution in a way,

1097
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: kind of talking about and so he's it's in some

1098
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: ways it's incredible that we have this book because we

1099
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: actually get to hear the voice of Crockett through his words,

1100
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: which we didn't have for Boone.

1101
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: Did I talk about that?

1102
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 2: So that was one of the things that was kind

1103
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 2: of mysterious about Boone is we never heard his actual voice.

1104
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: There was a chapter that was supposedly written by him

1105
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: in his voice in Philson's book, but it wasn't Boone

1106
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: at all. Like Philson wrote it in Boone's voice.

1107
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, because his son said that wasn't the words of

1108
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 4: his father.

1109
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's right, And this is Fox Show

1110
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 2: the words of David Crockett. And so like when he

1111
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: tells bear hunting stories, when he talks about his childhood

1112
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 2: and he talks, he does talk a lot about very

1113
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: personal stuff, which is incredible. But anyway, you kind of

1114
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 2: I make a lot of excuses for Crockett, uh, trying

1115
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 2: to prove that he's cool so that Steve Ronelle will

1116
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: like him, saying that if he'd have had a good editor,

1117
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: he wouldn't have had this problem because Azure would have

1118
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: been like, hate you can't you can't talk about yourself

1119
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: like that, and Crockett would have been like, no problem,

1120
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: I won't.

1121
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: So anyway, I got.

1122
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 3: To remember the time it was, consider everything that was

1123
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 3: the time that it was in. You know, the way

1124
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 3: we think now about things is far different from what

1125
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 3: they thought about stuff. Yeah, so I think he gets

1126
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: a pass on that, on a lot of that. Yeah yeah,

1127
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 3: because of the world he was in.

1128
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 6: You could see how it would eat at you too

1129
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 6: as a person in politics, not ever getting to feel

1130
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 6: like the whole truth's out your side of it, and

1131
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 6: then you pass events that that happened.

1132
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 3: You want to get your beef out. You know, it

1133
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 3: ain't like now when everything you ever have ever said

1134
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 3: can come out. I mean that, dude, what a very

1135
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 3: minute percentage of his thoughts and ideas were probably got out.

1136
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yet we got whipped whipped my wit and wildcats

1137
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 5: out of them.

1138
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 4: So, but him speaking about politics in that book was

1139
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 4: something that had to have driven him quite a bit

1140
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 4: there in the last part of his life, because politics

1141
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 4: is what ended him up at the Alamo. I mean,

1142
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 4: losing those elections is why he'd still been in Tennessee

1143
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 4: or in Congress or something. So that that's a huge

1144
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 4: part of his life that he wants to set the

1145
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 4: record straight on.

1146
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, it's hard.

1147
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 2: It's hard to blame him for it because they they

1148
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 2: had written multiple fake autobiographies, which at the time there

1149
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: was nothing.

1150
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: People could do.

1151
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: People people would I mean, there was no retribution and

1152
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: there was no way to know it was gonna happen,

1153
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 2: or they didn't even know who wrote them.

1154
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: Like it was just like David Crockett.

1155
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 3: I thought it was funny that when the guy you

1156
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 3: talked Tom trying to remember his name.

1157
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: Scott Williams, Yeah, our Scott Williams.

1158
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 3: When he said he got interested in that name, image

1159
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 3: and likeness stuff, and I thought, wow, you know that

1160
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: was the thing even back then.

1161
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and that that was a it's a it's

1162
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 2: it's kind of splitting hairs a little bit because when

1163
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: we talked about Boone, we talked about how Boone was

1164
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: an American archetype and he was one of the first

1165
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 2: folk heroes of America and Boone rose to global fame

1166
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 2: in his lifetime. Crockett did the same thing. But there's

1167
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 2: some hair splitting difference in what happened with him Boone.

1168
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 2: And again we said this on the podcast, but Boone

1169
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: didn't become famous till he was in his mid fifties,

1170
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: and all the stuff he did that made him famous,

1171
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 2: he did not knowing anyone would ever know about it, right,

1172
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: And that's why Steve says that Boone should not even

1173
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: be on the same page as Crockett, because that's cool, Like,

1174
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you want your hero to be doing what

1175
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 2: he's doing, not because somebody's going to put him on Instagram,

1176
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: not because somebody's going to write a book about him

1177
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 2: that somebody's going to say he's cool.

1178
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 5: Is that is that Stevenella's beef with Crockett, that he

1179
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 5: was interfa with his own old jack about Crockett.

1180
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: He's going to after he listens to this.

1181
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, that that it was the celebrity status.

1182
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 2: He doesn't And it's the same thing that I am

1183
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: working through with Crockett, like I'm really trying to understand it,

1184
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: because Boone didn't become famous until mid fifties, and Boone

1185
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: did stuff to try to capitalize on that fame to

1186
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 2: some degree, but he was already but but he just

1187
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 2: wasn't in control of it as much. And Boone dies

1188
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: an impoverished man. If you remember when Boone died, the

1189
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 2: last guy, the only real portrait that we have of

1190
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: Boone was painted of him when he was in his

1191
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 2: late seventies, maybe even early eighties, right before he died,

1192
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 2: and a painter went from the North down into Missouri,

1193
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 2: like there was no way to like call and say,

1194
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 2: mister Boone, can I come next Thursday to your house

1195
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: to paint your picture? And a painting session would take

1196
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 2: days or even weeks, you know, because they're literally having

1197
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: the guy set there and they're they're painting him. And

1198
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 2: so this guy travels from the northeast, hoping that Boone

1199
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 2: is still alive, and goes and goes to Boone's neighbor

1200
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: who lived within a mile of him, and says, do

1201
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 2: you know where this mister Boone is? And the guy

1202
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: was like, I don't even know who you're talking. He goes,

1203
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 2: he's an old man and he looks like this, and

1204
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 2: he was like, oh that guy, yeah, he lives right.

1205
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: Down the road.

1206
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1207
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 2: And that was Daniel Boone Crockett. So you know, I

1208
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 2: would say Boone was more of an archetype folk hero,

1209
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 2: not so much a celebrity. Crockett knew of his fame,

1210
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 2: interacted with his fame, tried to capitalize on his fame,

1211
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 2: which I don't blame him for. I mean, it's like

1212
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: that's what people do.

1213
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 4: Uh.

1214
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 2: And he he did stuff like write books, and then

1215
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 2: what busted him for Ranella is the Line of the

1216
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: West play that was a Broadway play that was in

1217
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 2: Europe as well. I mean, this is like major and

1218
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: this is major American stuff too, because this is one

1219
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 2: of the first major American theatric theatrical productions that went global,

1220
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 2: and it's called Line of the West. Key character is

1221
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 2: Nimrod Wildfire, who is one Davy Crockett.

1222
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: Crockett's alive.

1223
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 2: Crockett's like in his thirties and and everybody knows Nimrod

1224
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: Wildfire's Crockett and uh in Crockett, they invite him to

1225
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: New York.

1226
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: To go to the play. That's what gets Steve.

1227
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 3: Is he went because he went.

1228
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: He went, He went to the play.

1229
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 2: And when Nimrod Wildfire walked out onto the stage Broadway

1230
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 2: production of New York Nimrod Wildfire, the actor stops, takes

1231
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 2: off his coonskin hat and tips his hat to Crockett,

1232
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 2: who's sitting in the balcony.

1233
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: And what does our boy Crockett do? He stands up

1234
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: and waves to the crowd, just like reeves what it does.

1235
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 4: Absolutely, So this is my question. If Stevid hunted his

1236
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 4: entire life, no one really knew who he was, somebody

1237
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 4: heard a little something about him, and he found out

1238
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 4: in New York there was a play about him. You

1239
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 4: think he wouldn't have went and seen him.

1240
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'll ask him. Yeah, No, it's it's

1241
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: so in a SoundBite you would you could say Crockett

1242
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: was like vain compared to and we'll hear other stuff.

1243
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you I think I I I.

1244
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 3: Think it's apples and oranges different times. Yep. Yeah, I

1245
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 3: mean there's a little overlap, but it was after you

1246
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 3: know what I was thinking. There was a huge difference

1247
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 3: between I mean when Daniel Boone was in his thirties

1248
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 3: and when David.

1249
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 2: And and I'm not picking on Steve Vanella in this

1250
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: in this segment, but what would Crockett have today if

1251
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: he were here? What what would he do? He'd have

1252
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 2: a television show, He'd be on Instagram, I mean just

1253
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 2: like me, I mean, you.

1254
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: Know, just like me. And he'd be looking for a

1255
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: good dog. But he only had one walker dog.

1256
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 4: Michael, Oh, that's it. He would.

1257
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: Did you pick up on that in in the in

1258
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 2: the bear hunting story when they were in the in

1259
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 2: the cracks.

1260
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 4: I didn't hear anything about a walker dog.

1261
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 2: Well, and he didn't say walker see you boys, you

1262
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: gotta turn on your listening ears. He said that it

1263
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 2: was at night, and he said there was one white dog.

1264
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 2: See I mean if there was one white one, that

1265
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 2: means the rest of them were dark. Ye, So that

1266
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 2: it had to be a walker you know, some type

1267
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 2: of walker dog they like to bob their tails.

1268
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 4: Some kind of English foxhound more than likely.

1269
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it wouldn't have been a straight

1270
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 2: up walker because it really probably wouldn't even hardly made

1271
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: by then.

1272
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 4: Walker's no, well, I mean they come mid nineteenth century.

1273
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 3: The actual straight up.

1274
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, actual treeing walker b Yeah right.

1275
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 2: Crockett said, And we're gonna learn about this on the

1276
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 2: next episode. I don't know why I'm telling you now,

1277
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 2: but they like to bob the tails of their bear dogs.

1278
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 4: Makes sense, Yeah, especially hunting in the hurricane. Yeah, because

1279
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 4: are gonna whip its pieces.

1280
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't have a squirrel dog. The tail wasn't.

1281
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: Bob Yeah, it's really just aesthetics.

1282
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 4: Well, it gives it's a little less to grab a

1283
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 4: hole to by bear. Also, that's true.

1284
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but today you won't find houndsman bobbing tails out west.

1285
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: They do sometimes because their tails are him cactus and stuff.

1286
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of beagles with bob tail. Oh

1287
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 4: really Yeah, because they beat him to death and the briars.

1288
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Michael, what stood out to you?

1289
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 4: I wanted to see him slide down that honey locus.

1290
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 4: That's what I wanted.

1291
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: Ohio.

1292
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he might make the Ohio. He's not gonna

1293
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 4: make it down that honey locus without a scratch. Yeah,

1294
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. I don't guess what I've read. There

1295
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 4: hadn't been a whole lot about the bear hunting stuff.

1296
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 4: Most of what you read covers his childhood and then

1297
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 4: on into that. It calls him a hunter, but it

1298
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 4: doesn't really go into depths on the bear hunting stuff.

1299
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 4: I thought it was pretty neat about him being in

1300
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 4: those hirk or the earthquake cracks. Yeah, yeah, that was

1301
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 4: pretty cool. Yeah, but you know, he was just a

1302
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 4: guy doing what everyone else did. So, I mean, just

1303
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 4: like we always said about Boone, he was just he.

1304
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 4: He wouldn't have even known. I mean, could you imagine

1305
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 4: going through your entire life thinking you were doing what

1306
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 4: everyone else was doing and look up and they had

1307
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 4: to play about you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 4: So although he did, was the play before or after

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Speaker 4: the politics? It was before, wasn't it?

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Speaker 2: No, Because the politics are what made him known. Okay,

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Speaker 2: the play was in the eighteen thirties and he got

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01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:26,560
Speaker 2: into politics in the early eighteen twenties. So politics is

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Speaker 2: what took him to the national stage. I mean that it's

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Speaker 2: the only reason he would have had even a voice

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01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: for people to know who he was. And then he

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01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:39,639
Speaker 2: started in his political speeches, he started talking about hunting,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to we'll get into it a lot more,

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Speaker 2: but basically on his first political speech he said he

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01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 2: got up before the crowd and his opponent they used

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Speaker 2: to travel together with their opponents, and he said, his

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01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 2: opponent spoke and was this like diplomatic, you know, just

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01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: like political speech. And Crockett had his political speech formed

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01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 2: and he got up and he said, he describes it

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01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 2: really well. He said, I felt like there was a

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Speaker 2: cotton There was cotton grown in my throat, and I

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01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 2: couldn't get a word out for any give some funny anecdote,

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01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 2: and he.

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Speaker 1: Said, I was so choked up, I thought I was

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Speaker 1: going to cry.

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01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 2: And he said, and all I know to do was

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Speaker 2: start telling them a hunt It's basically told them a

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Speaker 2: hunting story. Yeah, And the people loved it, like they

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01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 2: they thought the other guy was a dork.

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01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:28,799
Speaker 1: And Crockett was like, oh, I see how this works.

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Speaker 2: And so he just got up in front of people

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01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 2: and talked about hunting, made fun of his opposition, was

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01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 2: self deprecating, stole their speech, stole yep, stole their speech.

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01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: Really, he was just ye.

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Speaker 4: Before the guy went on stage, he gave his speech,

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01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 4: gave the other guy's speech.

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Speaker 1: Man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh we're going to get

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01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: into all that later.

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Speaker 4: Oh. I did want to say one thing about you though,

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01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 4: deciduous forced.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 4: Never in the history of He'll billy has there ever

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01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 4: been one say that? So every time you say it,

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01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 4: it takes your credibility down just a little bit. What

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01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 4: do you mean, I mean, they just don't say it?

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01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 4: Did you say the woods Man hard?

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01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: I say deciduous on this podcast?

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01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 3: You did?

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01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah you did.

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01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,560
Speaker 4: And when you said.

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01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, deciduous one of my favorite words.

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01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 4: Never in the history of He'll billy them, has there

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01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 4: ever been one say that. I just wanted to warn you.

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01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, that's that's good to know.

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01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 3: Good.

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01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 4: I know you like your He'll billy crid So he's

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01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,480
Speaker 4: faking it.

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01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 2: I figured I said it wrong. Every time I do

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01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 2: a podcast, Missy's like Clay, you said that, totally skipping

1365
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 2: words that I don't know, putting a new word. No,

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01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 2: this has been a fun, fun series.

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Speaker 1: We've got got three more Boom podcast. I don't even

1368
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 1: know who this guy. I don't even know who this

1369
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 1: guy is. Yeah, Wallace biography is.

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01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 2: Really good. It's it's my favorite. R Scott Williams is

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01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 2: really good too. He takes a little bit his angle

1372
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 2: is a little more narrow, which is unique in that

1373
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 2: he was really interested in Crockett's celebrity status because R.

1374
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 2: Scott Williams super neat guy, incredible guy. He he is

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01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 2: the lead man at the Discovery Park Museum in Union City, Tennessee.

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01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: Which is an incredible place.

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01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 2: Union City, Tennessee's is a little it's small town, like

1378
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 2: ten thousand people and they have a world class natural

1379
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 2: History American museum in that town. That there was some

1380
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,599
Speaker 2: rich guy that lived in that town that had an

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01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 2: enormous amount of money and he said, I want to

1382
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 2: build a museum here, and it's totally worth it if

1383
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 2: you're in that part of the world to go there

1384
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 2: by yourself or take your kids. They got a big

1385
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,799
Speaker 2: they got a big Crocket section. But our Scott Williams

1386
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 2: really really cool guy.

1387
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:13,799
Speaker 1: So his book is good.

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01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 5: Too, I know they I know there's literally saying about

1389
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 5: not judging a book by its cover, but it's got

1390
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 5: a pretty cool color.

1391
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:26,560
Speaker 2: Go Crocket wearing a pair of cool shades, looking pretty sporty.

1392
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Speaker 1: America's first celebrity.

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01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 3: Hey, I got a question here. Everybody in here that

1394
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 3: had a coonskin cap growing up, raise their hands. You

1395
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 3: didn't have one.

1396
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 1: That's a good question.

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01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 3: There's five of us in here, and only two of

1398
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 3: us did. I would assumed you and Michael would have

1399
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 3: had one. Growing up. You were just trying to put

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01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 3: me on the as I was. I was going to

1401
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 3: I thought it was going to be a four to

1402
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 3: one for sure. Though, yeah I did too.

1403
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,120
Speaker 2: I may have had one. I don't want to lie

1404
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: and say I did. It wasn't prominent.

1405
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 3: Well, you're the only grown up that I know that

1406
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 3: has any right now. But as a kid, I was

1407
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 3: just wondering, and it was. It was. It was because

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01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 3: that well you just said it.

1409
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,759
Speaker 2: Because it's now, Ben, your hat would have had probably

1410
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,560
Speaker 2: a real tail, but a fake precisely.

1411
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about yours, Brent?

1412
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was wherever. I mean. It came with a

1413
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 3: flint lock rifle on the flint lock pistol.

1414
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 2: I was in Missouri last year and I saw a

1415
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 2: double coontail hat for the same price as a single coontail.

1416
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 2: I'm serious. The gas station in central Missouri. Walk in

1417
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 2: there and there's rack full of Daniel Boone. They market

1418
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,440
Speaker 2: quite a bit with Boone on the coonskin.

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01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 5: Hats these days, so interesting.

1420
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 2: Usually it's Daniel Boone. But there was a rack of

1421
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,280
Speaker 2: Daniel Boone coonskin caps and their their foe like they're

1422
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 2: a faux fur on top, but they actually are real

1423
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 2: coontails because the coontail and the actual fur market is

1424
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 2: not valuable, like when they're they are making fur garments

1425
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 2: out of coon hides and so, but they don't use

1426
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 2: the tail. They just use the prime parts of the

1427
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 2: hide today and so the tails they sell to make

1428
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 2: kids hats, but they use faux fur. Anyway, there was

1429
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,879
Speaker 2: this hat. It had double coontails coming off the side,

1430
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 2: and it was like twelve ninety nine. And then I

1431
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 2: was like, oh dude, if that's twelve ninety nine, the

1432
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 2: single coontail is probably like six ninety nine, and it

1433
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 2: was twelve ninety nine.

1434
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 3: Two. Wow.

1435
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: It would have been a really unique experiment to send

1436
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 1: a kid in there and say pick out which coonskin

1437
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: hat want the one with the two tails with the

1438
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 1: one tail. Thank you guys for coming up here today.

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01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: Really appreciate it.

1440
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 3: Good looking forward to the next three episodes.

1441
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, life changing, It's gonna be good. Gonna be good.

1442
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 1: Maybe one day we'll sell these hats on the metator

1443
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 1: dot com.

1444
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 3: Wow, Just get some more, Just get some more.

1445
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: I got a freezer full of coon hides out there.

1446
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 4: Can he make one a little bigger?

1447
01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: Maybe for you special justiflgainness. All right, guys, this is

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01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: an awesome take care