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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Betcher Happy Hour. I'm Joe

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Speaker 1: and I'm Serena, and we are here with you to

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Speaker 1: recap this week's episode. This week we only had one episode,

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Speaker 1: which makes our lives a lot easier, and later in

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Speaker 1: the week we are going to have Caitlyn on. Excited

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Speaker 1: to talk to her, mainly because she's a radio chemist

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Speaker 1: and I need to know more about that job in general.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. I'm down to learn more about the job.

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Speaker 2: I'm down to learn more about her relationship with Joey

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Speaker 2: and her time in the house, her take on all

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Speaker 2: the drama. It'll be a good chat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But before before she comes on, let's get into

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Speaker 1: this episode.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Let's recap.

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Speaker 1: Recap. Okay, what'd you think overall? Overall thoughts before we

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Speaker 1: get into it.

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Speaker 2: Overall thoughts. I feel like the drama has been really

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Speaker 2: loud this season, and it's significantly quieter in this episode.

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Speaker 2: I think the drama is fun as a viewer and

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Speaker 2: for us to recap and chat about, but it's also

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Speaker 2: nice to see the connections. For me, we're getting deeper

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Speaker 2: into the season. Hometowns are kind of right around the corner,

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Speaker 2: so I feel like we're really getting a taste for

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Speaker 2: the relationships in this episode. I also think that everyone

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Speaker 2: is spiraling a little in this episode, including Joey, because

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Speaker 2: things are getting really real.

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Speaker 1: Well, we kick off with Joey Spiral.

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Speaker 2: I know, we got a depressing opener from our guy, Joey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's struggling. Okay, So we are in Montreal.

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Speaker 2: Canada, Canada, Serena Canadian.

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Speaker 1: But everybody that list to this podcast knows that I've

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Speaker 1: never been to Montreal, though I really want to go.

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Speaker 2: I love Montreal. I've been like three or four times.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful. I actually don't think it was showcased as

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Speaker 2: well as it could have been in this episode. I mean,

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Speaker 2: obviously I am biased having been there and being from Canada,

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Speaker 2: but I think Montreal is has a lot more to

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Speaker 2: were able to see in this been there, ah three

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Speaker 2: or four? I think four?

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Speaker 1: Maybe he'll lot of a flight? Is it from Toronto?

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Speaker 2: Like an hour flight, but there's also like a four

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Speaker 1: Train ride you can take all from here.

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Speaker 2: From here, I don't know, maybe like a two hour flight.

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Speaker 1: We should do it, though, because there's a few restaurants

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Speaker 1: I want to try, And they brought in the restaurant

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Speaker 1: that they went to. The chef. I've watched videos with

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Speaker 1: really good restaurant.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have an amazing, amazing food. Yeah, we'll go

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Speaker 2: in like the spring, summer. It's super cold in the winter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I kind of yeah, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's just like when you haven't been somewhere for the

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Speaker 2: it's like comfortable walking weather.

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Speaker 1: Oh like fall, October, fall week ago.

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Speaker 2: You love fall. Joe wants to.

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Speaker 1: Go everywhere to travel in fall. Okay, so Joey, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Joey's struggling, which you know, you don't want to see

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Speaker 1: him struggle, but I almost feel like I personally feel

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Speaker 1: like it was needed because I feel like he's been

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Speaker 1: and he's finally like I I've kind of like I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like there are a couple of different

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Speaker 2: layers to what he's going through. And this is obviously

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Speaker 2: But we don't have him on the podcast yet, and

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Speaker 2: when we do, eventually we will ask him. But my

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Speaker 2: take on.

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Speaker 1: We're here to speculate people, We're here to speculate.

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Speaker 2: That's our job.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what we're talking about. We're speculating. Well,

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Speaker 1: probably we're probably like ninety percent wrong, but that's okay.

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Speaker 2: I think we're usually ninety percent right.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, I'm just I'm just giving us

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're being humble. But I think there's a few

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Speaker 1: Well, he's that's been an issue for him. He keeps it.

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Speaker 1: He keeps talking about how that's like the scariest thing,

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Speaker 2: I feel like we've seen that, you know, the whole season.

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Speaker 2: His number one fear is that it doesn't work out

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Speaker 2: don't fall for him back. Yeah, and he's feeling this, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, conflict. He's feeling conflicted about opening.

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Speaker 1: Up shouldn't be a number one fear though, I.

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Speaker 2: Think that's what. Do you think his number one fear

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Speaker 1: Just that you don't look like a dick at the end,

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Speaker 1: Because that's that's the worst that it's that is that

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Speaker 2: But it's one thing to like, okay, like look like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just joking.

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Speaker 2: I mean everyone's got like I feel like every I

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Speaker 2: probably what he's experiencing.

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Speaker 1: I would say that's the most vocalized.

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Speaker 2: And I think yours is probably the secret one, Like

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Speaker 2: I'm going to look like a total jerk a person.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to look like a jerk or a

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Speaker 2: A hundred percent. And I think both of those that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of it. Like he has to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So like there is a bit of a responsibility

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Speaker 2: if you're not feeling that way, and like Joey as

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Speaker 2: much as he is all those things, seems like he's

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Speaker 2: like that's got to be super draining, especially if that's

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Speaker 2: not how you are naturally all the time, which most

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean we've all kind of

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Speaker 1: even if you don't feel like it. Like there's moments

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Speaker 2: And it's like you still got to go on the date,

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Speaker 2: and you still want to go on the date. That's

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Speaker 2: where he's like, I want to make the most of

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Speaker 1: It's straining. Feel bad for us, people feel bad for all.

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Speaker 2: That's not what we're saying, but I do feel back

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Speaker 2: to jobbing for us. I do feel bad for jobs.

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Speaker 1: It's so difficult.

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Speaker 2: And then on top of that, on top of him

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Speaker 2: hit with so many heavy stories from this season. Yea,

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Speaker 2: and that's great that these women are being vulnerable and

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Speaker 2: But I just feel like there's like an unusual amount

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Speaker 1: Well, and it all happens like I feel like it

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Speaker 1: started from the jump, like as soon as episode one, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're hairing basically everything where I feel like in the past,

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Speaker 2: Totally or like the one on ones. But I remember

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Speaker 2: group date number one, we had Jess and Lauren crying

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Speaker 2: So like he's expelling a lot of emotional energy to

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Speaker 2: but I totally would be like feeling drained and emotionally

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Speaker 1: But he pushes through because well, A he has to

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he wants to, you know, it's his journey

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Speaker 1: So they go to a restaurant. The chef looks familiar.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember the name of the restaurant. Jesse recommended it,

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Speaker 2: What did you think of this group date? It was

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Speaker 2: like a scavenger hunt style group date?

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Speaker 1: Uh really?

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah?

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Speaker 1: I remember the poutine at the beginning.

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Speaker 2: I'm first of all, wasn't the beginning that was near

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Speaker 2: the end? It was middles end. It is not at

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Speaker 2: all shocking to me that the only part of this

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Speaker 2: group date that resonated with you was the restaurant food part.

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Speaker 1: Well, because I couldn't believe. Like so, I understand pineapple

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Speaker 1: and pizza. I do actually get it. I'm not like

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Speaker 1: I understand the flavor combination. What I don't get is

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Speaker 1: she put pineapple, I believe with like her poutine.

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Speaker 2: She was pineapple, chocolate sauce, and hot sauce. I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you exactly what Jen was doing, because I think I

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Speaker 2: used to do this on the group dates. Is she

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Speaker 2: got bored and she went, I'm just gonna throw a

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Speaker 2: bunch of random stuff in this bowl and make Joey

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Speaker 2: eat it because that'll be really funny for the both

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Speaker 2: of us. And there's not much going on right now.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so wait, what did they do on the what

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Speaker 1: they do prior on the group dates?

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Speaker 2: It was mostly just a lot of like running around

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Speaker 2: getting different cards, leading them to different places. I think

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Speaker 2: the poutine thing was the main activity. They also played

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Speaker 2: like hockey.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I remember, like like Kelsey, we see Kelsey

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. All right. So Jen gets a rose.

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Speaker 2: This date looked so fun. I was so jealous. But

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Speaker 1: And the worst part about all that is is I

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Speaker 2: But I was like, what a fun cool date date,

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Speaker 2: Totally. I loved it, and it's just kind of like

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Speaker 2: Oh you would have been out the minute they spun

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Speaker 1: We don't care. We don't care we're filming a show.

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Speaker 1: This conversation is why they would choose you because we

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Speaker 1: see more flirting, totally fun.

439
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 2: Totally, and he just seems like really relaxed with Jen

440
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 2: and maybe it's just gonna take a little time with

441
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 2: Kelsey t Yeah. And also we saw like, you know,

442
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,879
Speaker 2: more heavy conversations of him not feeling well and then

443
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 2: her opening up. But my yeah, my prediction would be

444
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 2: that I don't know. I don't know where that relationship goes,

445
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 2: only because I do think at this point there are

446
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 2: other stronger relationships.

447
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love An, I don't own prediction. I don't know.

448
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 2: My prediction is I don't know.

449
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so now we have so it's Maria's date. Uh,

450
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 1: there is a some kind of stretch limousine like.

451
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 2: This limit was set.

452
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like an old like what kind of looks

453
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: like an older Rose Royce.

454
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 2: As someone who looked at quite a few limousines for

455
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 2: your home Alan two experience, I did not see that.

456
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: If you, if you would have pulled, if that one

457
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 1: would have pulled out, would be like, wow, we're not

458
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: We're not getting out of this.

459
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 2: I have a good feeling that limo was out of

460
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 2: my price range for your home alone two experience.

461
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 1: We're not getting out of this. So yeah, she gets

462
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: the what is it the Princess Diaries.

463
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 2: The Prince's Diaries. It's the Princess date. You see this

464
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: day every single season. It's like the helicopter date. You know,

465
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 2: it's a classic in the franchise, and it's always kind

466
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: of I feel like someone notable always up on this date. Yeah,

467
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: and she's definitely been a notable person this season, and

468
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 2: I think her and Joey are really hitting it off.

469
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they you could just not only are they

470
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: hitting it off, they're just like very comfortable with each other.

471
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: They really like and I think I think this date

472
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 1: was perfect for what he needed, Like with his mentality

473
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: going into the day.

474
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, they should have kicked it off with

475
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: this date, in my opinion, Like he was having such

476
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 2: a hard day and then had to go into a

477
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 2: group date, which is also non an easy task. Like

478
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: if they had gone into this date with Maria, I

479
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: feel like it would have really helped his mood. They

480
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 2: are just they have so much fun together. I love

481
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: their banter. I love how fun and playful she is,

482
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 2: and they just don't seem to take it too seriously

483
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: when they're together, but also are like focused on each

484
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: other in their relationship.

485
00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 1: If It's very cute because it's feel like I feel

486
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 1: like the woman that gets this date, if she doesn't

487
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: end up with the lead, she's usually one of the

488
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: women that are considered the next bachelorette. Yeah, do you

489
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: see that?

490
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: I think it depends like how far she goes I

491
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: mean to me left at this point.

492
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: I think at the end there's six. I feel like

493
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: Maria is a shoeing for hometowns, like she's going she

494
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 1: got when you she got through the two on one

495
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: and then gets a one on one. I don't I

496
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: don't see her not going to hometowns.

497
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of like who's I'm trying to

498
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 2: think of like who's left, and like go through like

499
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: who's left? Okay, So but yeah, I do think there's

500
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 2: a good chance she goes to hometowns. And I do

501
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: think this date was really amazing. She was actually surprisingly

502
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 2: emotional on this date. I think she really likes him.

503
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too. Anyways, I do too. I think

504
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: she really likes him. Also, well, let's talk about who's left,

505
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: But before we do, Lexi goes back and talks to

506
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: Joey and sends herself home. Yes, yeah, I mean I

507
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: guess timeline, it just wasn't going to work out. It's

508
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: unfortunate because I think she would have been I think

509
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: she would have been there for a while.

510
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I really like her and I like

511
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 2: them together a lot. I think he really was into her.

512
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: But I also think like she doesn't have the luxury

513
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: of like getting caught up in it, Like she has

514
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: to be practical to kind of fit a timeline that

515
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: she wants to achieve. And if she is thinking, you know,

516
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: I don't think she ever specified exactly what her ideal

517
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 2: timeline would be. But seems like it's like, okay, like

518
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: let's you know, the ball's rolling. You know, they get engaged,

519
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 2: to get married, they have kids in a pretty like

520
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: speedy timeline. And he's saying three to four year engagement,

521
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: two to three two to three year engagement, two to

522
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 2: three years of marriage. That could be six years from

523
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: now before they start.

524
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: That's what he's saying right now. I mean he could

525
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: have if he really liked LEXI I believe he would

526
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: have said like, hey, like that is my timeline. But

527
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: but nothing set in stone, and you know, I'm I'm

528
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: open to speeding up the process. I think if he

529
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: was really into her. I think that's I think if

530
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: he was really into her, I don't think he would

531
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: have let her go.

532
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that his answer was very telling. Yeah,

533
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: I think that you know she's hearing Okay, four to

534
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: six years is what your ideal timeline is, and knowing

535
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: her situation, I think if she was like the one,

536
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: there's a good like he would have potentially have said, like,

537
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: I know that you were on a different timeline than most,

538
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: and you know, if it's you and me at the

539
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 2: end of this, I'm happy to work within that timeline,

540
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: or like, this is my ideal timeline, but I'm super

541
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: flexible to having an opened conversation about maybe making changes

542
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: to that. But it doesn't seem like that's how the

543
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: conversation was going.

544
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: I like her for Bachelorette, I like her for Bauchshrette too,

545
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: And then like the tagline could be like, oh no,

546
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: don't waste my time.

547
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, I don't know. I just I don't

548
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: know where you're going with this. Whatever you whip up

549
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: a tagline.

550
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: Don't waste my time, Yeah, don't waste my time, And

551
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: then honestly, they have to cast, they have to cast

552
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: guys that are genuinely ready, genuinely ready. Yeah, I think

553
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: that's I think. And she's pretty. She was articulate, she

554
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: was smart, she was on our podcast a.

555
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 2: Great interview with her. Really enjoyed her. I think she

556
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: would be great for about Shrek.

557
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so we have left, So Lea goes home at

558
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: the Rose ceremony, Caitlin goes home. Yep, and is there

559
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: another person? Was anybody else elimited at the Rose ceremony?

560
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: Or was it just those two?

561
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 2: I think that was it.

562
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: It was just those two.

563
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: Let me check. But because we saw Lexi and we

564
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 2: saw Jese, that was just.

565
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: Those two, because Lexi Lexi and just he sends Jess home,

566
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: Lexi sends herself home. So now we have Daisy, which

567
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: we you.

568
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: Know, Daisies do for a second one on one day,

569
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: a second one. I was just gonna say, like, I've

570
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: not seen that much of their relationship.

571
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: We haven't seen that much of her. No, we only

572
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: saw like everyone fell in love with Daisy at the beginning.

573
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, but we really haven't seen much of her

574
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: since with Joey.

575
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: Like, every time I see her, I like it, it's

576
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: always something cute and funny.

577
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

578
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I love all the clips of her time

579
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: with Joey or her time like on the group days

580
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: with the girls, but it's like I feel like I've

581
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: really lost sight of what her relationship with Joey looks like,

582
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: Whereas like Maria, like I am totally in the loop.

583
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, he's he's still like he still was

584
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: having fun with them. I think. So right now I'm

585
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: gonna go Maria Daisy are are are both hometowners.

586
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: And then the other girls we've got up there are

587
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: Kelsey T, Jen h, Kelsey A, and Rachel.

588
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: The only one I I feel strongly about going to

589
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: Hometowns would be Kelsey A. Yeah, because he seems to

590
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: really like her. They show a lot of their like

591
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: little extra.

592
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: One on one Yeah, well they're one on one date

593
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: was just like beyond.

594
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: So then it would then it would be like a

595
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: battle between.

596
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 2: Jen, Rachel and Kelsey T.

597
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't seen much of him. I think he

598
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: really likes Rachel. But that's another one we haven't seen.

599
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: We haven't seen that much of their time together. No,

600
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: like there one on one this past episode, we really

601
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 2: did not see much of their time To get out

602
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: of those we saw a little clip she made like

603
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: a joke about because Jen did that little piano thing

604
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: where she like pulled them in front of everyone, which

605
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: is just I think she was trying to do something

606
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: cute but like so awkward for the group. If I

607
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: was them, if I was there, I'd be like, all right,

608
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: like going to the bar to get a drink, like

609
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: I'll be back when this situation's over. But you could

610
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 2: tell Rachel was not into it. She made like a

611
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: little joke about it to Joey later. I think she

612
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: really likes him. I think he likes her too, but

613
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: I just don't. Again, it's similar to how I feel

614
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: about Daisy's relationship. I don't really feel like I have

615
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: like major insight into their connection like I do with

616
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 2: Maria or.

617
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 1: Or.

618
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: I actually feel like I kind of see kelsey A

619
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: and him more now than I do.

620
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: Like Rachel or Well, I feel like out of those

621
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: I feel like, out of those three, I think Jen

622
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: probably has a little bit of the advantage from what

623
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: we see.

624
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: But honestly, it's kind of a draw, like it could

625
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: be the hometown four, could be any of these six

626
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: at this point, Yeah, it really could. Like I feel like.

627
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: There's a pretty definitely Maria.

628
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: You say that, but like who knows, there's.

629
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: No there's no way he sent them Maria home before Hometowns.

630
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: No way.

631
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: Why do you say that? I don't disagree with you.

632
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: I'm just curious of where you're coming from.

633
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: Well, really, why I say it? I think he wants

634
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: to go to overnights with her, and I think you

635
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: had I think, like, I think a big I think

636
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: a huge part for the lead is like who I

637
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: feel the most comfortable with and who I have the

638
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: most fun with like that, like that, I mean, it's

639
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: just that just has to be like like.

640
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're talking to thirty girls, Like it's gonna

641
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: be obvious which ones you're the most comfortable when, and

642
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: those people are going to be like a breath of

643
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 2: fresh air in the mix.

644
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: Because as much as you need the like serious in

645
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: real life conversations, you still you still like it's the

646
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: beginning of a relationship, so like the fun and excitement needs.

647
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: To be there.

648
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: And so yeah, that's why I really do think I

649
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: think that I think she's definitely going, and I think

650
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: Days is definitely going.

651
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: We have one more episode until what is it Hometowns

652
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: and then we're in the mix. It's gonna fly by hometowns,

653
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: fantasy Sweedes. We got to tell all in there somewhere

654
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: we'll be good. I'm excited for that.

655
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: Everyone. Make sure you check out later in the week

656
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: we are going to have Caitlin on. Excited about that interview,

657
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: and like always, thank you for listening and thank you

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