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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Away and I'm John Green.

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Speaker 2: I'm Danian Alercon. How are you doing, John, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Doing all right. It's good to be with you. I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to do our first deep dive into a national

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, me too. I had a lot of

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Speaker 2: fun preparing this a lot. We're gonna do Uruguay today.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do Uruguay.

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Speaker 1: Just I've been just.

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Speaker 2: Some ground rules maybe or just ground invitations. I'll talk,

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Speaker 2: but feel free to rupt me at any time with

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Speaker 2: questions that I may or I will answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: So this is the way, and everyone knows it's a

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Speaker 2: soccer podcast. We're building up to the World Cup and

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Speaker 2: we're gonna spend a lot of time in the show

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Speaker 2: going deep onto you know, different national teams. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: start today with Uruguay. I have to thank my friend

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Speaker 2: and colleague Bruno, who's Uruguayan. You may know I know,

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Speaker 2: you know John. Listeners may know I run another podcast

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Speaker 2: company called Studios. Bruno is like me, a soccer obsessive

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Speaker 2: and he's not the only one on the team. But

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Speaker 2: I called him up because I wanted to talk about

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Speaker 2: Uruguay and he's based in Montevideo and he's a crazy

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Speaker 2: soccer fan like we are. So I'm going to annoy

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Speaker 2: all of my Uruguayan friends by saying that. In order

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Speaker 2: underson Uruguay, we got to start by talking about an Argentine.

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Speaker 1: Oh is that very controversial. That's super controversial. I imagine

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Speaker 1: it is because of the the soccer history, if not

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Speaker 1: anything else geopolitical.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think you know, Uruguay is a

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Speaker 2: very small country relative to Argentina.

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Speaker 1: You're annoying, You're Uruguayan friends more now, Yeah, no, no.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's I think there's there's a kind of

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Speaker 2: tension there because they don't like to be considered a

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Speaker 2: small country in soccer terms. They're punching way above their

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Speaker 2: weight historically. But there's always a rivalry with your neighbors,

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Speaker 2: you know. So I want to start with your guy

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Speaker 2: talking about this Argentine and I want to talk about

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Speaker 2: someone that you have certainly heard of John and I'm

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Speaker 2: talking about Marcelo Bielza. Also. Yeah, I have a long

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Speaker 2: standing I don't want to say love affair, but a

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Speaker 2: deep admiration for this totally crotchety lunatic. I even pitched

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Speaker 2: the new Yorker profile of him, which you know, weirdly,

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Speaker 2: I never heard back about this, but I read.

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Speaker 1: I find me my favorite Marcello Biels's story real quick, Yes,

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Speaker 1: go ahead. So he's such a football obsessive that he

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Speaker 1: had the line painted from his house to the Leeds

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Speaker 1: Football Stadium so he didn't have to look up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he would ride on his bike with his

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Speaker 2: with his uh so so he and his assistant coach

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Speaker 2: could prepare for the that day's training without having to

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Speaker 2: worry about getting lost. That was what I heard.

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Speaker 1: I love that story.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that says a lot about who he is for

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Speaker 2: those of us, for the listeners who might don't really

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Speaker 2: know a lot more or a lot about yet Sam

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Speaker 2: and I'm talking to our producer Sean. Obviously, modern football

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Speaker 2: would not be the same without him. Perhaps the most

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Speaker 2: famous example is that Pep Guardiola, you know, generally regarded

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Speaker 2: as the greatest coach of his generation. When he took

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Speaker 2: the Barcelona job. The first thing he did when he

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Speaker 2: Bieza and spent you know, two days just sort of

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Speaker 2: picking his brain to sort of understand how he could

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Speaker 2: modernize his tactics so he's like a coach's coach, a

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Speaker 2: manager's manager. And I want to give an example that again,

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Speaker 2: this is going to annoy my Yuruguay and friends because

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Speaker 2: this is not Uruguay specific, but a game that you

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Speaker 2: certainly remember. John It says possibly one of his greatest

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Speaker 2: compstruments as a coach was to bring Leeds United back

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Speaker 2: up to the Premier League. So they're promoted, first game back.

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Speaker 2: Who do they have to play but Liverpool at anfield

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Speaker 2: and newly proted side playing the champions that year, and

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Speaker 2: Liverpool scores very early in the game, leads ties it up,

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Speaker 2: Liverpool scores again, leads ties it up, Liverpool scores for

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Speaker 2: a third time, leads ties again, and at this point

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Speaker 2: it's like seventieth minute and a newly proted team against

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Speaker 2: the champions away from home. Like a normal human being,

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Speaker 2: a normal manager would just take the draw, like shut

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Speaker 2: it down and just play out the game. But Bearsa

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Speaker 2: doesn't do that because he's a purist and he's a dogmatic, obsessive.

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Speaker 2: And I pulled out this quote from a journalist named

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Speaker 2: Seki Fernandez Moree when I interviewed him when I was

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Speaker 2: literally pitching this profile to the New Yorker and he said,

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Speaker 2: because he doesn't care how many goals get scored on you.

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Speaker 2: He only cares about scoring one goal more than his rival, right,

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Speaker 2: And so he kept attacking at anfield away from home

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Speaker 2: Newly from decided first game of the season, and of

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Speaker 2: course the inevitable happened, which is Liverpool scored and Leads

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Speaker 2: lost that season. That first season that Bissa was in

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Speaker 2: the Premier League with Leeds United, he you get headlines

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Speaker 2: like this one. Bersa says Leads will not abandon playing

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Speaker 2: style after six' to two thrashing A Man. United so

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Speaker 2: he's like, absolutely just like this is this is the

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Speaker 2: Hill i'm going to die on attacking football, always AND

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Speaker 2: i should mention, that as crazy as it, sounds they

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Speaker 2: didn't just stay. Up they finished ninth that, season which

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Speaker 2: is firmly promoted side. Incredible but of Course bielsa was

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Speaker 2: sacked the next, season as he always. Is bissa is

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Speaker 2: the kind of coach who wears his teams. Down he

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Speaker 2: always starts great and always the wheels always come. Off

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Speaker 2: so that's the kind of. BACKSTORY a couple other examples of.

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Speaker 2: This he. Managed his first manager job was At messi's first,

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Speaker 2: Club Noel's Old boys In. Argentina his other great achievement

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Speaker 2: was he Took Athletic club of Bill bao to two

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Speaker 2: Finals Europa league And cope Deel.

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Speaker 1: Re An Athletic club of Bill boo is an unusual

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Speaker 1: football club in that they can only Play basque players by,

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Speaker 1: tradition and so they have an incredibly small pool of

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Speaker 1: players to draw. From and yet they had this astonishing

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Speaker 1: success With, bielsa.

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Speaker 2: Yes where they made it to two finals and they

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Speaker 2: lost both of them through nothing To barcelona and To.

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Speaker 2: Athletico so he's kind of known In argentina as this

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Speaker 2: lovable philosopher king mad scientist who kind of doesn't win

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Speaker 1: Close biels is one of those guys, who if he

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Speaker 1: had Eleven bielsa's he would win every. Game but he. Does,

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Speaker 1: yes he has eleven regular football, players.

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Speaker 2: Right he demands a level of obsession like that a

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Speaker 2: lot of players can't maintain energy levels that players can't.

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Speaker 2: Maintain so he uh takes Over uruguay the national. Team

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Speaker 2: Now i'm getting to the Interesting uruguay part of the.

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Speaker 2: Story he takes Over uruguay at this moment of kind

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Speaker 2: of generational change players Like Forlan, muslera they're, Out cavani's you,

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Speaker 2: know on his way. Out suatz is on his last.

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Speaker 2: KNEE i wouldn't say last, LEG i would say last.

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Speaker 2: Knee and he brings in some new, players but he

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Speaker 2: doesn't actually bring in any of the youngsters who won

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty Three under Twenty World. Cup there's actually

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Speaker 2: zero of those players on the national team. Now and

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Speaker 2: he's kind of known for having a short. Bench you,

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Speaker 2: know he has his players he, trusts and he doesn't

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Speaker 2: bring in other. Players but he manages this generational shit pretty.

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Speaker 2: Well there, is, however a point of, inflection AND i

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Speaker 2: want to point this. Out before The copamerica twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: Four uruguay won a possible thirteen points out of a

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Speaker 2: possible eighteen points In South american, qualifiers. Right that included

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Speaker 2: victories Over argentina And, brazil the first time THAT i

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Speaker 2: had ever Beaten brazil in qualifying. Matches so this is, huge,

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Speaker 2: right and thirteen out of eighteen points is pretty damn. Good,

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Speaker 2: however After Copa, America uruguay won only fifteen out of

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Speaker 2: a possible thirty six, points so they really fell off

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Speaker 2: THE biersa effect happened, NOW i think to understand, this

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Speaker 2: And bruno explained this to. Me he's, like let's let's

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Speaker 2: get into what happened At. Copamedica you might remember those, Scenes,

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Speaker 2: john BECAUSE i think he was one of your players

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Speaker 2: at that, Point Darwin nunyaz running into the stands to

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Speaker 2: Fight colombian fans in the semifinals of The.

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Speaker 1: Copamenica he did not cover himself in glory that.

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Speaker 2: Day he, didn't nor did The colombian. Fans to be,

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Speaker 2: fair it was a really unpleasant. Situation it was a

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Speaker 2: very complicated situation where nobody behaved. Well but THAT i

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Speaker 2: itself because they shouldn't have had the family members of

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Speaker 2: the players anywhere near any place that could have put

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Speaker 2: them in. Danger the players obviously can't go into the

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Speaker 2: stands and fight. Fans the fans obviously can't throw things

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Speaker 2: at the players or threaten people from another. TEAM i,

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Speaker 2: mean it's, like it was all kinds of nasty and unpleasant. Scenes,

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Speaker 2: honestly SCENES i think THAT i hope that they've ironed

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Speaker 2: it was a bad. Scene so, afterwards several players are,

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Speaker 2: sanctioned AND i don't know. HOW i don't have all

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Speaker 2: the top my. Head how many players were banned from certain.

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Speaker 2: GAMES i Know Darwin juniez was banned from a, few

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Speaker 2: but just as significantly after That copamedica, debacle ALTHOUGH i should,

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Speaker 2: say let me parenthetically BEFORE i get to, That bruno

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Speaker 2: says that it was actually.

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Speaker 1: A pretty Good.

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Speaker 2: Copamedica making it to the semifinals was not a bad

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Speaker 2: result at all For, uruguay so he wasn't upset about

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Speaker 2: what happened on the.

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Speaker 2: Was What bruno was telling me was kind of like

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Speaker 2: the knock on effects of the, chaos and one of

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Speaker 2: them was that Swat is kind officially retired from the

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Speaker 2: national team and then gave an interview where he kind

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Speaker 2: of split the. Team he basically talked bad About, bieza he,

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Speaker 2: said doesn't listen to the, players people don't like, him

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Speaker 2: and the team kind of broke up after. That and you,

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Speaker 2: know the results speak for, themselves and Although uruguay finishes

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Speaker 2: fourth on twenty eight, points they're you, Know paraguay also

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Speaker 2: break Down South american qualifiers Into argentina in one, group

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Speaker 2: pack and then everyone from place two to, six which Is, Ecuador, Columbia, Uruguay,

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Speaker 2: Brazil paraguay all twenty nine twenty eight, Points bolivia In

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Speaker 2: venezuela fighting it out for the last spot in the intercontinental,

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Speaker 2: qualifiers and Then bruni fighting it out to see who's the.

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Speaker 2: Worst so, sorry but basically what you see after The

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Speaker 2: copaminica Is uruguay nos diving and the culmination of all,

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Speaker 2: this according To bruno and according to lots of people

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Speaker 2: in the media and then turn of THE us, media

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Speaker 2: was the five to one loss in a friendly to

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Speaker 2: The United. States so in THE us that was interpreted

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Speaker 2: as sort of Like pochettino has finally sort of gotten

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Speaker 2: his players to. Respond In, uruguay it was kind of

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Speaker 2: a ratification of trajectory that they'd seen coming that it

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Speaker 2: was just like this team is. Broken SO i find

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Speaker 2: that really. FASCINATING i find it totally of a piece

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Speaker 2: with everything THAT i know About pietresa and the way

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Speaker 2: his teams fall, apart which honestly doesn't make me like him.

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Speaker 2: Less he seems to me like a, poetic tragic. Figure

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Speaker 2: you know you're gonna see him on the sidelines at

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Speaker 2: The World. Cup he's in his late seventies, now kind

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Speaker 2: of scowling and like sitting on an upside down, bucket

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Speaker 2: like staring into the. Distance he's going to give weird

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Speaker 2: post match press. Conferences it's going to be interesting to

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Speaker 2: have him. There, Obviously you're guy has some fantastic, players

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Speaker 2: some individual talents that play on some of the greatest

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Speaker 2: teams in the, world you, Know, barbrajo. Etc like really great,

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Speaker 2: Something psychically broke with that, team according To bruno there At,

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Speaker 1: He doesn't hug you like you're going clop hugs.

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Speaker 2: You he does not hug you like you're in clop hugs.

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Speaker 2: like so what do you expect to? Happen and he

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Speaker 2: story that he would, like the story that would make him,

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Speaker 2: satisfied is to get second place out of the, group

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Speaker 2: that's what he. Said that's what he, said Eliminat campion

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Speaker 2: Problem so just knock Out argentina and everything's. Good.

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Speaker 1: NOW i want to finish with this BECAUSE i think

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Speaker 1: SEAN a. Question, yeah, Hey, sean what's up. Guys this

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Speaker 1: is our Producer sean also a friend of ours from high. School,

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Speaker 1: sean what do you think gets you a star on your?

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Speaker 3: MAYBE i guess everyone on the team has the. Stars

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Speaker 3: so you've won a certain, championship then you nailed.

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Speaker 2: It yeah a. Star there you. Go you've nailed. It

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Speaker 2: It. Nice, So sean And, JOHN i want to tell

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Speaker 2: is totally. Legit but you're going hosted the First World

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Speaker 1: Star because they won their Second World, cup their second one, cup,

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Speaker 1: Four olympics they Beat argentina in The olympic. Final the

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Speaker 1: nineteen thirty their third, star and they won a nineteen

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Speaker 1: World cup, stars, right four, stars but Two World cups.

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Speaker 2: Four, stars but Two World cups. Exactly What bruno said

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Speaker 2: to me THAT i thought was really. Interesting he's, like

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Speaker 2: if we had lost one of those, finals then we

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Speaker 2: would have an ally in. This But uruguay at a

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Speaker 2: time when soccer was an amateur. Sport, Sure uruguay was a,

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Speaker 2: monster you, know and you can imagine if The netherlands

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Speaker 2: love to, have you, know four stars instead of, three

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Speaker 2: but Since uruguay won them both then they have no.

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Speaker 2: Eighteen World, cup And bruno insists that it was Some

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Speaker 2: argentine and there was briefly a controversy THAT fifa squashed

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Speaker 2: And uruguay's allowed officially to have four, stars which is

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Speaker 2: wow that's, it any Questions.

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Speaker 3: Uruguay so all, right they're In GROUP h, Right they're

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Speaker 3: playing Against Saudi Arabia, verde who is obviously a massive

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Speaker 3: UNDERDOG i would imagine in this, group and Then, spain

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Speaker 3: WHO i would imagine as a perennial favorite to. Advance

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Speaker 3: so that seems very feasible that they would get out

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Speaker 3: the ones who would ultimately win the. Group is that

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Speaker 3: kind of how you guys are seeing this.

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Speaker 2: Shakeout, YEAH i, Mean i'm going to do a deep

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Speaker 2: The World cup, starts And i'm super. EXCITED i have

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Speaker 2: see them do. WELL i think there's only one way

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Speaker 2: Uruguay if you're why were not to get out of this,

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Speaker 2: group that would be a, catastrophe a Very bielsen. Catastrophe,

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Speaker 2: actually he famously flopped with the two thousand and Two

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Speaker 2: Argentina World cup, team so it wouldn't Be it would

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Speaker 2: On spain, Winning uruguay getting, second and Then uruguay would

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Speaker 2: face first place Of argentina', group which would probably Be,

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Speaker 2: argentina and that's When bruno's dreams come true or.

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Speaker 1: Not So bruno's dream is very, realistic except for the

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Speaker 1: part Where uruguay Beats, argentina WHICH i think is not impossible,

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Speaker 2: CHALLENGE i, mean, LOOK i think that's the beauty about.

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Speaker 2: Knockouts is that in ninety, minutes anything can, happen, RIGHT

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Speaker 2: i mean we've all seen those games where you, know

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Speaker 2: Loses you, know you know those kinds Of that's one

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Speaker 2: of the beauties of this.

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Speaker 1: Sport you.

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Speaker 2: Know in, basketball a team that's hot is always going to,

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Speaker 2: win you, Know AND i love. Basketball i'm not dissing that.

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Speaker 2: Sport it's, wonderful you, know but it's much. Harder you,

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Speaker 2: know you can make one, shot you can have one

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Speaker 2: lucky and there you're through and anything can. Happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, OH i don't think it would be that big

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Speaker 1: of an upset. EITHER i, mean like you, Said urugua

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Speaker 1: has some really extraordinary. Players, argentina the team isn't as

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Speaker 2: Happen, YEAH i have a lot of hang ups and

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Speaker 2: reservations About World cup. Winners the next time, around you,

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Speaker 2: know it's. HARD i think it's hard on, managers especially

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Speaker 2: if you don't change. Managers you, Know scaloni is going

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Speaker 2: to trust the players who took him to The Promised

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Speaker 2: land In, qatar, right so he's gonna keep much of

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Speaker 2: the same. Team and four years is a long. Time

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Speaker 2: players get, older players get, slower and there's also a

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Speaker 2: If argentine's going to be The argentina that we. Think you,

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Speaker 2: know you think About france in ninety, eight they. Win

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and, two they don't make it out

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Speaker 2: of the. Group you, know you think About spain in twenty,

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Speaker 2: ten they. Win in twenty, fourteen they're illiminated By. Chile

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Speaker 2: like this stuff happens because it requires a really, cold

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Speaker 2: not don't trust them anymore because they're four years, older

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Speaker 2: And i've got to bring in new. Blood And i'm

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Speaker 2: not sure how much scottalone has really done that With.

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Speaker 2: Artis you, know we're going to talk more about that

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Speaker 2: when we do a deep dive In, argentina BUT i

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Speaker 2: don't think it's necessarily a given The uruguay if they

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Speaker 2: have a great day and by the better they play as,

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Speaker 2: well that they can't make it.

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Speaker 1: Happen, sorry let's go to a break and then we'll

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Speaker 1: come back and talk about whether or not there's going

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Speaker 1: to be A World. Cup sounds.

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Speaker 2: Good we're back at the away, end And, JOHN i

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Speaker 2: bunch of soccer chats with lots of friends with WHOM

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Speaker 2: someone posted this. Note it says the following, Says hey,

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Speaker 2: GUYS i wanted to share something that happened. Yesterday two

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Speaker 2: of our players were detained by ice At peer. Forty

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Speaker 2: luckily they were able to call me AND i contacted

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Speaker 2: please take this as a serious reminder if you ever

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Speaker 2: go To peer, forty make sure you have your passport with,

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Speaker 2: PHONE a driver's license or regular idea will not be.

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Speaker 2: Enough stay safe. Everyone SO i got this note last

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Speaker 2: week in the midst of the news coming out Of,

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Speaker 2: minneapolis in the midst of the fatal killing Of Renee

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Speaker 2: good And Alex, pretty and it struck me that it

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Speaker 2: was something we should talk. About there's starting to be

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Speaker 2: discussions In, europe mostly From european, politicians about the possibility

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Speaker 2: of boycotting THE Us World. Cup there's the, sense THAT

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Speaker 2: i think, accurately the sense that THE us is not

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Speaker 2: a welcoming place for outsiders right. Now there's a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Fear AND i was just you, KNOW i have a

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Speaker 2: lot of thoughts on. THIS i presume you do, too

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Speaker 2: AND i just wanted to see what your take was

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Speaker 2: on all this as you read notes like. That it's,

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Speaker 2: IMPOSSIBLE i, think to separate football from politics and A

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Speaker 2: yeah what do you?

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Speaker 1: Think, YEAH i do think it's, impossible BECAUSE i DON'T

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Speaker 1: i think football has always been. Political we'll talk about

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Speaker 1: that a little bit actually in my story That i'm

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Speaker 1: going to tell you about the nineteen ninety Four Caribbean.

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Speaker 1: Cup but there is no way to separate world football from,

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Speaker 1: politics certainly because you, know it's an expression of state.

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Speaker 1: Power that's part of what it, is you, know is

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Speaker 1: we're bringing together all the countries of the, world or

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Speaker 1: all the countries of the world that made it this

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Speaker 1: far into the. Tournament AND i think there's two different

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Speaker 1: kinds of boycotts that we should be thinking. About one

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Speaker 1: is a boycott by the, fans where you, KNOW fifa

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Speaker 1: AND i think that was already going to. HAPPEN i

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Speaker 1: not coming to The United, states partly because of, cost

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Speaker 1: probably because of the political. SITUATION i, mean there have

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Speaker 1: been reports of people having their social media checked at the,

426
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Speaker 1: border which is, distressing and CERTAINLY i wouldn't pass that.

427
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Speaker 1: Check i'm conscious of the fact that if you AND

428
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Speaker 1: i were to play At peer, forty you would be

429
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,719
Speaker 1: vastly more likely to be asked for a passport THAN

430
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Speaker 1: i would. Be and that is itself fundamentally On, america

431
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Speaker 1: in my, Opinion and so we're getting to a place

432
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: where it becomes untenable for a lot of people to

433
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Speaker 1: visit The United, states including for The World. Cup so

434
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: that's one kind of boycott and then there's the other

435
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 1: kind of boycott that people and that's the kind of boycott,

436
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Speaker 1: that for, instance Set bladder has been talking.

437
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Speaker 2: About paragon of virtue and. Diplomacy exact, yeah, exactly, Yes Set.

438
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Speaker 1: Yes Step ladder known widely for running international sporting organizations

439
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: with the kind of pluck and a plum that you

440
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: would expect of a proper. Mobster and he's, saying maybe

441
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: people should stay away from The World. Cup AND i

442
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are going to do. That

443
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: but then there's the kind of boycott that for the

444
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Speaker 1: first time we've been hearing rumblings of among sports, MINISTERS

445
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: i think one vice sports minister In germany who said

446
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Speaker 1: that perhaps it is time to consider a national boycott

447
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: of The World, cup which would be very different and

448
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: would be not entirely without. Precedent but, LOOK i, mean

449
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: we've had The World cup In, Russia we've had The

450
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: World cup in lots of places that are complicated, PLACES

451
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: i would, say and they've always managed to have a.

452
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: TOURNAMENT i think there is an open. QUESTION i think

453
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 1: a lot can, happen you, know in five. Months If

454
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Speaker 1: i've earned anything from the first month of twenty twenty,

455
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: six that a lot can happen in a, year AND

456
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: i think there is an open question as to whether

457
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: there will be a, tournament and that's just the.

458
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Speaker 2: Reality, YEAH i, MEAN i think it's interesting because it's

459
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 2: two sort of things happening at. Once one is what

460
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 2: this note refers, to which Is World cup, related but

461
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: also strikes me as kind of core to my experience

462
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: as a person who's lived in many Cities United states

463
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: and always played soccer Wherever i've. Lived, soccer particularly The United,

464
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: states is so, international so. International it's such an immigrant.

465
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 2: Sport so obviously there's always native Born americans playing, obviously

466
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: but you, KNOW i remember living In oakland and there was,

467
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: like you, know Bush Rod park at certain times was

468
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 2: like those were The ethiopian guys and if you wanted to,

469
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 2: play you had to play with. Them and then there

470
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: was like The yemeni game at the park On MacArthur

471
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 2: and there was, like you, KNOW i remember coming upon

472
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Speaker 2: a game it was like All tibetan dudes In, berkeley

473
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: and you sort of get to know who your neighbors,

474
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 2: are the community that you live in and it's a

475
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: really beautiful thing to make connections with people across, cultures across,

476
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 2: languages often across, generations and in every city That i've

477
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: lived in The United, states that has been my experience

478
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 2: of like soccer and basically pick up soccer, specifically has

479
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 2: introduced me to some really wonderful people from all over the.

480
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 2: World so IF ice is going after that aspect of

481
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: this beautiful, game which is the community that is built around,

482
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: it AND i want to give a special shout out

483
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: to my team In New, york The Five Borough Football

484
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: club where this message was. Shared if that's under, attack

485
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 2: then in a certain, way the spirit of The World

486
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 2: cup is under, attack you. Know so that's one and

487
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 2: the second THING i, think particularly coming from The, europeans

488
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: is that we have to remember that it wasn't until relatively,

489
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: recently like you, know a few days ago that The

490
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 2: President United states was threatening to take over part Of,

491
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: denmark you, know Like greenland is an autonomous region of

492
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: The kingdom Of. Denmark So, russia after it Attacked, ukraine

493
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: was kicked out OF yuefha. Competitions, right there are No

494
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 2: russian teams in The Champions. League There's, russia who's not

495
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 2: going to be in The World cup because it didn't

496
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 2: they wouldn't let them play qualifiers they weren't in The.

497
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: Euros you, know there were consequences for that belligerent foreign

498
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: policy and military. Action it stands to reason that that

499
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: would happen to The United, states where The United states,

500
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: to you, Know god, forbid Attack greenland or take it over,

501
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: militarily which for the moment is off the. Table but,

502
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 2: again as you, said anything could happen in five. Months

503
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: it's off the table. Now but who knows what whim

504
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: will strike our president tomorrow or the day. After SO

505
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: i think it's a really, complicated intense, situation AND i

506
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Speaker 2: agree with.

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Speaker 1: YOU i find.

508
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Speaker 2: It kind of A it saddens me deeply to consider

509
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: the possibility of No World. Cup it also negates the

510
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: entire point of this show that you AND i are

511
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: having so much fun. Producing BUT i don't think we

512
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: can ignore that as a. Possibility, yeah, NO i don't

513
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: think we can. EITHER i, MEAN i THINK i hope

514
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: there's A World.

515
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: CUP i. HOPE i, mean on every, LEVEL i hope

516
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: there's A World. Cup but it's hard to blame people

517
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: who don't want to come. Here if the requirements involved

518
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: in coming to The United states now are such that

519
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: you have to swear fealty to a government that's genuinely

520
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: without precedent In american, history and it should have consequences

521
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: for people who want to visit, here and SO i

522
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: think it probably. Will it's very difficult for me to

523
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: get my head around this whole. THING i, MEAN i remember,

524
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: feeling you, know having very mixed feelings about there being

525
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: A World cup In, qatar given the circumstances of visiting

526
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 1: workers foreign nationals living In qatar and working In. Qatar and,

527
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: look it's not like there was a time In american,

528
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: history you. Know it's Something i've been reflecting on a.

529
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: Lot at the end encouragement of a lot of my

530
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: friends is that there was no time In american history

531
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: when the rule of law was enforced justly or, fairly you.

532
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: KNOW i, mean from which trials to lynching's to extra

533
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: judicial killing by the government has long been part of

534
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: The american. Story But i'm responsible for the parts of

535
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: The american story that are happening. Now Like i'm a

536
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: participant in those parts of The american, story AND i

537
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: don't know the right way, forward, really BUT i know

538
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: the right way forward is some form of rejection of

539
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: that of those. Ideas you, know you were talking about

540
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: The yemeni games and The ethiopian games and The tibetan.

541
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: Games here In, indianapolis it's The burmese games and The

542
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: syrian And iraqi And afghan. Games and you, know the

543
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: joy of playing pick up. FOOTBALL i, KNOW i sometimes

544
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: play on the little field artificial terf field that The

545
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: butler football plays. On and the joy of playing football

546
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: is that you don't have to speak the same, language

547
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: you don't have to be from the same, place you

548
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: play by the same, Rules and to, me there's something

549
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: really lovely about, that and that becomes the point of.

550
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: Connection losing that is really hard to. Imagine but when

551
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: the thread is that you have to bring your passport

552
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: everywhere you, GO i think we do is? That so

553
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: it's really it was heartbreaking to read that message and

554
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: really really.

555
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: Alarming, yeah for, SURE i was thinking about a former

556
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: student of, Mine Sophia mariike Was. Argentine she did a

557
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: story for me when she was my student about A

558
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: venezuelan team out In queens and it was basically All

559
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: venezuelans all, migrants all recently. Arrived everybody's working super, hard you,

560
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: know labor, intensive dangerous. Jobs but Every sunday they get

561
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: together and play unfortunately Wearing Men city, jerseys but that's.

562
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: Okay and it was such an uplifting and inspiring story

563
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: of community around. Sport And i've played in leagues like,

564
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: that you, know where it's it's not just the, game

565
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: it's the everyone's family comes, along everyone's kids. THERE i

566
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: used to play in a league out In oakland by

567
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: the airport and it was, all you, know these brothers

568
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: From guadaljada and cousins and. Uh AND i just got

569
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: put on that team and joined the team and loved.

570
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: It you. Know we had we had team dinners AND

571
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: i was, served you, know a giant goat stew with

572
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: the head of the goat pulled out of this giant

573
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: uh like literally the biggest Pot i've ever seen in my,

574
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: life you, know like a, cauldron like a witch's, cauldron

575
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: and the most.

576
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: Delicious Stew i've ever.

577
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Speaker 2: Had after the end of our season and, uh they

578
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: pulled the goat's head out of, IT i was, Like,

579
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: okay this is. It you, Know i'm gonna get innder

580
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: and it was it was. Incredible you, Know i've been

581
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 2: on those, teams And i've been in those, Communities i've

582
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 2: been in those, spaces AND i think it's something we

583
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: need to. PROTECT i think it's something that is, valuable

584
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: not just in terms of, sport but in terms of

585
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Speaker 2: the fabric of a nation to create those spaces where

586
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: people feel at home as they start making new lives

587
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: in their adopted. Countries So i'm all for protecting pickup

588
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: soccer and what it.

589
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: Means i'd like to, close IF i, can And daniel

590
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: by quoting your favorite, President Ronald, reagan uh, huh go,

591
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: ahead who said that you can move To france and

592
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: it's hard to become A, frenchman and you can move

593
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: To england and it's hard to become An. Englishman but

594
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: the only way to Become american is to move To

595
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: america and become An. American and like that's been the

596
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: story for a long. TIME i hate the idea of losing.

597
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 1: That and diversity has you, know always been a strength

598
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: of The american, story and the failure to acknowledge that

599
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: has always been a great weakness in The american. Story

600
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: so those things have been intentioned for a very long

601
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: time in the history of this, country and right now

602
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: what's ascendant is on the wrong side of. HISTORY i

603
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: think it'll be.

604
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: INTERESTING i think you're going to do the deep dive

605
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: in THE, us BUT i Think i'm going to just

606
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: put that out as a. Question in ninety, eight When

607
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: france won The World, cup one big part of the

608
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: story was how multiracial and multicultural the national team was

609
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: and how it represented a New, france and et, cetera et.

610
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: Cetera The United states team is equally you, know it's Very,

611
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: latino it's very, diverse AND i wonder to what extent

612
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: that the makeup of that team will be a rebuke

613
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: to this new narrative of what it means to Be,

614
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: american or If puschatino and the boys will sort of

615
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: prefer to stay quiet about all. THIS i really wonder

616
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: at what point a prominent athlete is going to say

617
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: something we. Did i'm, SORRY i should say that we

618
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: did have lots OF nba stars for the T wolves

619
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 2: and other other, players who, are you, know commenting on

620
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: The minnesota. Situation So i'm NOT i DON'T i don't

621
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: want to say or imply there's been no voices out.

622
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: There BUT i wonder the national.

623
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: Team you, know it's one thing to represent a, city

624
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: it's nothing to represent a, nation and the very idea

625
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: of a nation when you put on that jersey is in.

626
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: Play SO i wonder if any of the players are

627
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: going to say.

628
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: Something, yeah it'll be. INTERESTING i, MEAN i think it's

629
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: a tough it's a tough position to be, in to

630
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: be an athlete with a lot of. CELEBRITY i don't

631
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: envy that, position AND i don't really buy the argument,

632
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: that you, know everyone has a responsibility to speak about.

633
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: Everything LIKE i remember When Muhammad ali. Died someone On

634
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: twitter was, like why aren't you speaking up About Muhammad ali's?

635
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: Death AND i was, LIKE i don't, Know i'm just

636
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: processing it, Personally LIKE i don't have to comment on

637
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: every you, Know i'm not The New York, Times LIKE

638
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: i don't write. Obituaries AND i understand, that like people

639
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: feel pressure to speak up on things they may not

640
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 1: be experts in or. Whatever BUT i do think that

641
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: being able to Reflect america back to itself is very

642
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: valuable AND i think that OUR i hope our national

643
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: team players will be able to do. That In june

644
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: and hopefully also In, july.

645
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: Maybe In july early, week at least in Early, july the, early,

646
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: early earliest day Of.

647
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: July, yeah, yeah we got a. BREAK i just want

648
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: to SAY i have very mixed feelings about that wrong

649
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: with breaking, quote BECAUSE i do think you can move

650
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: To france and Become. FRENCH i reject the idea that that's.

651
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: IMPOSSIBLE i, mean just look At George. Clooney he did. It,

652
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: yeah he did. It all, Right now we're going to

653
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: take a, break all, Right, DANIEL i am so excited

654
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: to tell you this story of the most bonkers football

655
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: GAME i never. Saw it's nineteen ninety, four the year

656
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: that we went to The World cup. Together by the, way,

657
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: Update daniel AND i did not go to The World cup.

658
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 2: TOGETHER i don't know why we had to get fact

659
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: checked on this WHEN i CLEARLY i was pretty adamant

660
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: about the fact THAT i wasn't at that. Game but it's.

661
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: Fine, yeah BUT i didn't believe. YOU i, do, however

662
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: believe the army of witnesses that have emerged since our

663
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 1: first episode. Aired so several of our friends from high,

664
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: school our listeners to this, Podcast hello, everybody thank, you

665
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: and two of them our Friends clay And neil wrote

666
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: in to, say in, fact they were with me at

667
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: That World cup game and you were not, there SO

668
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 1: i thought it was you And. Sean it was Actually

669
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: clay And. Neil to be fair to, Me clay And

670
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: neil are very similar To daniel And. Sean they were

671
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: all friends in high. School if they could have been

672
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: any of, them basically interchangeable. Characters, okay so it's nice.

673
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: TO i just just, say, Great i'm glad THAT i

674
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: thought we're going to bring your father on to judicate.

675
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: This my dad also offered to be a guest on the,

676
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: podcast which would be fun. Regardless but he was also,

677
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: like it Was clay And. Neil don't you? Remember AND i.

678
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: Didn't it was the. Answer the memory is a funny.

679
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: Thing so it's nineteen ninety, four It's, january and you'll

680
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: Recall daniel that like before the Big World, cup there

681
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: is often a sort of mini tournament that, winter or

682
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: at least there used to, be like they used to

683
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: DO i think The Gold cup in The United states

684
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 1: maybe a year, earlier.

685
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: Or The Confederation's cup they. Do, yeah, yeah something like.

686
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: That, yeah some weird. Cup this was The Caribbean. Cup

687
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: it was sponsored By shell because football has always been

688
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: political and has always had an oil, problem so it

689
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: was called The Shell. Cup and it's just like any

690
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: other international soccer. Tournament to get to the actual, tournament

691
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: you have to qualify for the. Tournament so like you

692
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: start out with two hundred and sixteen nations or, whatever

693
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: you end up with forty eight going to The World

694
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: cup in The Caribbean. Cup in The Shell, cup you

695
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: started out with Every caribbean nation, participating but only a

696
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: certain number got to go to the actual final. Tournament

697
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: to get to that final, tournament barbe had to Play.

698
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: Granada and the situation was at once extremely simple and extremely.

699
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: Complex so let me walk you through. It If barbados

700
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: wins by two, goals they move on to the. Finals

701
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: any other result a, tie winning by one, goal losing

702
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: by seventeen, Goals granada goes. Forward So barbados has to

703
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: win by two. Goals this is to qualify for the.

704
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: Tournament this is to qualify for the finals of the.

705
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: Tournament oh for the finals of the. Tournament oh, no, no,

706
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: no for the. Tournament to qualify for the. Tournament it

707
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: was called the, finals but it was to qualify for the.

708
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 2: Tournament that's brilliantly.

709
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: Confusing got it, Following, well it only gets worse from.

710
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: There and you also recall that in nineteen ninety FOUR

711
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: fifa instituted this wonderful thing called golden. Goal remember golden.

712
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: GOAL i love golden. GOAL i love golden goal. Too

713
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: we should bring it.

714
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: Back it's so, dramatic it's so. Dramatic.

715
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so golden goal is if a game is tied

716
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: at the end of ninety, minutes it goes to thirty

717
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: minutes of extra, time and at any point in that thirty,

718
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: minutes if a team, scores the game is. Over golden.

719
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: Goal it's a great. Rule it's like a walk off home,

720
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: run you, know like exactly every moment is fraught with

721
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: the potential for glory or. Disaster but at this particular,

722
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: tournament golden goals were for some reason worth two. Goals

723
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: so if you tie one to one and you scored

724
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: a golden, goal you won three to. One, okay you

725
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: can probably start to see where this is. Going, YEAH

726
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: i love. It. Okay barbados is up in the second

727
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: half two, nil which is the amount they have to win,

728
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: by but Then grenada scores a goal so it's two to.

729
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: One grenada scores in the eighty third, minute they only

730
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: have like seven minutes. Left barbados only has like seven

731
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: minutes left to try to find a second. Goal grenada

732
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: goes into a complete park the bus, situation total, defense

733
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: and eventually The barbados players realize there's no way they're

734
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: going to score in the last five minutes of this,

735
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: game but if they can take the game to extra,

736
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: time then they can score a golden, goal which is

737
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: worth two, goals and then they can win by two

738
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: and proceed to the. Tournament. Wow so What barbados does

739
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: is they intentionally score an own goal to make it,

740
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: tied and then for the last three minutes of the,

741
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: game All grenada has to do is score a goal

742
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: at either end of the. Pitch it doesn't matter if

743
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: they score an own goal or if they score a

744
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: goal Against. Barbados any goal will work because they either

745
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: lose by one or they win by, one in which

746
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: case they move forward to the end of the to the. Tournament. Right,

747
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: So grenada is out there desperately trying to score a,

748
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 1: goal not only on The barbados, goal but also on their. Goal,

749
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: Meanwhile barbados is having to guard both goals at the same,

750
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: time which they are able to do successfully for five,

751
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: minutes sending the game into extra, time Where grenadas loses

752
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: the game by two goals Because barbados scores a golden

753
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: goal that is worth two, goals And barbados goes to

754
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: the tournament where promptly they.

755
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: Lose, Wow so CAN i jump in. Here one of

756
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: the things that you one of the ways you train

757
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: in like you, know kiddie soccer sometimes is that you'll

758
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: have to defend two, goals or sometimes there'll be a

759
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: triangular goal and the defense has to to sort of

760
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: constantly move, around and The office of trained the offense

761
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: to sort of switch sides and try to score from different.

762
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: Angles SO i just would love to see video Of

763
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 2: barbados trying to defend both goals and sort of, like,

764
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: uh you know which which? Way you, know that's a

765
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: lot of, running you. Know so you have your strikers

766
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: defending The grenada goal and your defenders defending your own.

767
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: GOAL i think you go with a classic five to five.

768
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: Formation five guys defending one goal and if five guys

769
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: defending the. Other, right five zero five classic five zero? Five, yeah?

770
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 2: Right oh my.

771
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: Gosh and so there is video of. This, unfortunately there

772
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: is not video of the chaotic minutes When barbados was

773
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: defending both of their, goals but there is, video and

774
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: you can imagine The grenaden players and coaches really felt

775
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: that this was an, injustice really felt this was fundamentally

776
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: against the rules of the game For barbados to intentionally

777
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: score an own goal and then get two goals from

778
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: scoring one.

779
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: Goal, YEAH i, MEAN i think they're.

780
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: RIGHT i think they're. Right it's just a reminder that

781
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: there are often unintended consequences in football and, Elsewhere, johnny were.

782
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: The intended consequences of making adding a two point goal

783
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: that doesn't make any sense. WHATSOEVER i, MEAN i would

784
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 2: love someone to sort of sit down and explain, Me,

785
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: oh let's add a three point line to this. Soccer oh,

786
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: man that reminds. Me, ACTUALLY i once played an indoor

787
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: tournament and it was one of those WHERE i signed.

788
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: UP i was put on a team With rando's and

789
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: it was a indoor soccer on one of those like

790
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: hockey rink style.

791
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: Pitches oh, yeah, Yeah i've played.

792
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: There, Yeah and they had a if you took a

793
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: shot from outside the hockey. Area it counted for. Two oh, wow,

794
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: yeah WHICH i MEAN i should say something about proven soccer.

795
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: Culture if you don't walk the ball into the, net

796
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: it's really not worth, celebrating you, know like like we

797
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: are a, team we over. Elaborate if you play pick

798
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: up In, lima it's like ping ping ping ping ping little.

799
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: Touches it's so.

800
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: Cute and then you, know one, time we'm playing with

801
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: my cousins AND i took a shot from like sixteen.

802
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: Yards it went, in And remer looked at me, like

803
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: who do you think you? Are how do you think you?

804
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: Are Roberto carlos like what's your?

805
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: Problem?

806
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: Man and SO i felt like kind of personally offended

807
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: by this. Rule and ALSO i didn't really sort of

808
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: vibe with my. Teammates we, lost, like you, know eighteen

809
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: to six or something ridiculous like, that AND i probably

810
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: quit the team and looked for another, league BUT i just.

811
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: Didn't the two point golden goal is. INSANE i WONDER

812
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: i would love to be at the committee note the

813
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: meeting notes from that the day they decided to, like

814
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: oh let's try something to let's.

815
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: Innovate you, Know i'm Sure sep ladder was. THERE i

816
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: played indoor soccer in my, thirties AND i remember one

817
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: time towards the end of my, career a guy kept,

818
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: saying why do you keep fouling? Me BECAUSE i would

819
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: pull him down as he ran past. Me AND i,

820
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: said because you're you're faster THAN i. Am, yeah and

821
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: those are the. Rules, yeah there's a couple things about.

822
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: THAT i want to just latch onto the word. Career,

823
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: yeah it was a Career, daniel lastly from kindergarten to eighth,

824
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: grade and then it's kind of struck up again in

825
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: my late, twenties and then it ended around the age

826
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: of thirty.

827
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 2: Six, okay all, right all, right all, right that's. Fair

828
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: and then the, YEAH i mean that that's.

829
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: Good that's.

830
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: Good I've i've also had a career that, is you,

831
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: know coming to the. End AND i do sort of

832
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 2: think of it, THAT i, mean the rules are the,

833
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 2: rules and you, know just because someone's just because they

834
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: don't like you being pulled, down it's not their job

835
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: to judicate. That that's what the ref is. For, Yeah

836
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: AND i was reminded of this. Recently WAS i used

837
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: to play on a team out in The bayry called

838
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: left WING, fc AND i was reminded by a friend

839
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: of a particularly rousing team. TALK i gave it a

840
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: halftime of one of these games where we'd been chasing

841
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 2: around this other team that had this incredible player who

842
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: was just running us. Ragged and APPARENTLY i told the,

843
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: team my, teammates you, know this guy was just killing.

844
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: US i was, like don't, worry, guys he won't be so.

845
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: Fast in fifteen. Years we'll get any. Now, Yeah AND

846
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: i said, this you, know got imagine me saying, this

847
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: like out of, breath and you know, What it's probably

848
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: been fifteen, years And i'm sure he's still faster Than

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Speaker 2: he's faster than, you for, sure for. Sure, Yeah and

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00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 2: you're faster THAN i. Am that's just the way things.

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Speaker 1: Are. Man we gotta we gotta lean into what skills we.

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Speaker 1: Have and the SKILL i had was always THAT i

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00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: wanted it very. BADLY i didn't have any talent for,

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Speaker 1: it But god DID i want. It so This World

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Speaker 1: Cup daniel will sadly not feature golden, goal nor will

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00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: it feature this incredible rule where a golden goal is

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00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: worth two.

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00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,959
Speaker 2: Goals it, won't nor will there be a three point

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Speaker 2: line or a laying. Violation So, JOHN i want to

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Speaker 2: highlight something for our. Listeners we now have an email,

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00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: address which is away And pod at gmail dot com

862
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,959
Speaker 2: where you can send us questions or stories or opinions

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00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: or photos of your you, know little league soccer team

864
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: or whatever you, want and we'll try to get some

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00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: of your stories on the.

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00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: Air so again it's a way end. Pod, also please

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Speaker 1: send us all your photographs of you in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: four or nineteen ninety six to go along with the

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00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: photograph That, daniel without my, permission shared of me in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six On, instagram.

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00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: Or send photos of eBay links Where john could get

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00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: The yaegermeister. Shirt but he's wearing in that. PHOTO i,

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Speaker 2: Mean i'm.

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00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: Wearing A yeagermeister. Shirt i'm also wearing a backwards baseball,

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00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: cap which is so. Cringey And i'm sure that in

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00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six it. Wasn't but like NOW i look

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00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: at that kid And i'm, like oh my, god AND

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00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: i have to, Say, daniel thank you for loving me,

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00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: then BECAUSE i know it wasn't. Easy, sean thank you

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00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: for loving me? THEN i know it was all my, Goodness,

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00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: wow Rousing end to. This, SORRY i just wanted TO

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Speaker 1: i wanted to get a little emotional here at the

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Speaker 1: end of the. Pod but thanks to everybody for. Listening

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00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: we're very very grateful to be with. You, yeah absolutely,

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Speaker 1: absolutely las of love to, You.

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00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: JOHN i want to thank our Producer Sean, Titane Kurt.

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00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: GARREN i also want to thank my Son, eliseo who

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00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: is serving as a kind of editor on the, show

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00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: because WHEN i get the links From kurt for the

890
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: mixes of.

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00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: These, EPISODES i give them To Eddy sale and he.

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00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 2: Listens to me and tells me if it's funny or.

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00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: Not so thank You.

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Speaker 2: Eddie so all, right thanks so, Much, John thanks everybody for.

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00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: Listening we'll see you next. Week