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Speaker 1: Hello, They're happy Wednesday. Welcome to another episode of the

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Speaker 1: Chuck Podcast, another full show for you. Today we are

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I'm a little distracted this week because

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Speaker 1: it's Notre Dame week for my beloved Miami Hurricanes. Those

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Speaker 1: of you that do know me, no, college football is

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Speaker 1: another level of obsession for me. Yes, I'm a sports fan.

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Speaker 1: Yes I love the Packers, Yes I love the Nats.

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Speaker 1: The Miami Hurricanes football situation decides my mood, all right.

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Speaker 1: It is when I cannot read anything about college football

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Speaker 1: for twenty four hours any week that they lose, and

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Speaker 1: I can't get enough of everything. When they win, I

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Speaker 1: am fanatical. And here we are. Yes, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: the game. I'm very excited about that. When you have

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Speaker 1: My oldest is a senior. This is the one hundred

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Speaker 1: University of Miami. So and I will make this declaration

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Speaker 1: that I actually think non Miami and Notre Dame fans

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Speaker 1: would agree with this, that Miami Notre Dame is the

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Speaker 1: best national rivalry in college football in the twentieth century.

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Speaker 1: Hardstop right. There was a period of time that USC

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame was close to that. You might have said

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Speaker 1: in the forties before we had television, that Army and

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame might have been that. But when you look

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Speaker 1: at the last twenty five years of the twentieth century, yes,

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Speaker 1: you have great look Michigan, Ohio, State, Auburn, Alabama. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to sit here and say that Miami Not

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Speaker 1: that clase. But there was nothing like everybody had an

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Speaker 1: Now twenty first century has not had any kind of that.

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Speaker 1: It is all in the past. But here's my favorite

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Speaker 1: little nugget. Notre Dame hasn't beatn Miami in Miami since

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Speaker 1: the stagflation days of the seventies. Then again, we're moving

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Speaker 1: into stagflation. So maybe that is a bad omen for Miami,

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Speaker 1: good omen for Notre Dame. But either way, I fully

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Speaker 1: admit that is. You know, there's a lot of things

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Speaker 1: confess to that. My guest today for those are gonna

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Speaker 1: be listening to the entire extended podcast here. Maria Kamala,

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Speaker 1: she is somebody who has been on the Republican side

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Speaker 1: She's been an advisor to Chris Christy and an advisor

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Speaker 1: to Andrew Cuomo. She's advised the Kamala Harris campaign and

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Speaker 1: she is somebody that is I think decidedly not in

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Speaker 1: And as she will say, in some ways she is

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Speaker 1: a woman without a party these days. But she was

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Speaker 1: hired by the Kamala Harris campaign to try to help

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Speaker 1: the campaign message to Republicans. She shared with me all

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Speaker 1: the memos that she wrote. You really are going to

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Speaker 1: enjoy this podcast. It is sort of a little bit

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Speaker 1: it is. Yes, it's a little bit of looking back,

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Speaker 1: but that looking back I think is actually a blueprint

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Speaker 1: to move forward? And so I do hope you take

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Speaker 1: time to listen to that conversation. We even dabble a

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Speaker 1: the conversations I've had with people I've known a long time,

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Speaker 1: I think they're always a lot more fun for you

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Speaker 1: guys to listen to. This one is no exception. Before

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Speaker 1: Before we get to it, obviously, we've had a lot

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Speaker 1: of as always, right with Donald Trump, there is no rest.

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Speaker 1: He never takes a day off as far as perception wise.

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Speaker 1: We can discuss whether he works that hard, if it's

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Speaker 1: but he's constantly constantly throwing stuff at the wall, making

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Speaker 1: sure there's always something that he's controlling narrative wise, to

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Speaker 1: gets thrown off his game, right, Epstein threw him off

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Speaker 1: look back on Tuesday, we had that crazy Fidel Castro

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Speaker 1: that that's part of it. Throws so much at the wall. Right,

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Speaker 1: how much he has changed the information ecosystem and perhaps

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Speaker 1: the expectations. Right he does. He does do one thing

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Speaker 1: which is he brings everybody along on some arcane decisions

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Speaker 1: you know, he tries to do things like fire a

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Speaker 1: fed governor and all this stuff, and people get a

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Speaker 1: quick civics lesson of O. No, the Federal Reserve is

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Speaker 1: actually an independent agency. There's some laws that protect those folks.

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Speaker 1: And here's why it was designed not to be politicized.

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Speaker 1: So in some ways it does at least give folks

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Speaker 1: much time educating the public as we do sort of

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Speaker 1: lecturing the public, right, I think letting them know, Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's doing this, there's a law here to protect this,

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Speaker 1: here's why there's a law. And you sort of teach

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a history class, right the last time,

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Speaker 1: for instance, you know why is fed independent so important? Well,

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Speaker 1: he certainly is associated with with right of center economic policy.

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Speaker 1: But he will tell you in the interview I did

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Speaker 1: channel if you want to check it out. He was saying, look,

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Speaker 1: getting the government more involved, more nationalism, more socialism. We're

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Speaker 1: seeing similar things here, right, I mean, Donald Trump has

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Speaker 1: if the market's creator right liberation day markets creator. He

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Speaker 1: So what is he doing. And this is sort of

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Speaker 1: But ultimately, he's just trying to test what you know,

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Speaker 1: get over ninety two, and yet they both have almost

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Speaker 1: identical number of wins all time and in the modern era.

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Speaker 1: To get the three hundred and fifty wins, to me, that's,

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Speaker 1: you know, okay, other than you know, Cy Young's got

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Speaker 1: over five hundred back in the day. But I think

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Speaker 1: in the modern era getting over three point fifty is astonishing.

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Speaker 1: And we know Maddox didn't get help from any sort

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Speaker 1: of scientific labs or the cream or the cure, whatever

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Speaker 1: it was. But even so, you know, I'm just you know,

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Speaker 1: if their questions put the questions on their plaque, note

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Speaker 1: that he wasn't you know, he sort of that writers

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Speaker 1: were skeptical of how much medical science contributed to his ability.

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Speaker 1: But he belongs in the Hall of Fame. Barry Bonds

441
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Speaker 1: belongs in the Hall of Fame, Mark McGuire belongs in

442
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Speaker 1: the Hall of fame. They were all famous in their era.

443
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Speaker 1: I was at the game that McGuire hit his sixty

444
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Speaker 1: first home run. It's still counted. The home run still counted.

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Speaker 1: He tied Roger Merris at the time, which is something

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Speaker 1: we had not seen in nineteen ninety eight. I haven't

447
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Speaker 1: erased that memory, so but it does bother me that

448
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: Trump likes to surface and highlight rule breakers without noting, hey,

449
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Speaker 1: you know, perhaps that wasn't the right thing to do.

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Speaker 1: In some ways, He's only encouraging young kids today that, hey,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how you get there, It doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: whether you have high character or not. If you're a winner,

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Speaker 1: you're a winner. Character be damned. And it's just a

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Speaker 1: bit disappointing. Two other small notes. One it's there was

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Speaker 1: this fantastic article in The Times the other day about

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Speaker 1: how you're watching what's going on in the New York

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Speaker 1: City mayor's race, and there's this we're getting close to

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Speaker 1: the supposed September first deadline that both Andrew Cuomo and

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Speaker 1: Eric Adams, right, is somebody going to get down get

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Speaker 1: out in order to unite around an anti mom Donnie candidate, right?

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Speaker 1: And what's fascinating is when you read all of the

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Speaker 1: stories about you know, if there is polling that says, hey,

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Speaker 1: there's a majority that doesn't want mom Donnie. Okay, there

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Speaker 1: was a but you know, you can't beat somebody with nobody.

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Speaker 1: And if you match up Cuomo, mom Donnie went, if

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Speaker 1: you match up Adams, mom Donnie went, right, maybe Cuomo

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Speaker 1: and Mom, Donnie, maybe it's a closer race if everybody

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Speaker 1: gets out, that's not Mom, Donnie and U knights around him.

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Speaker 1: But it's fascinating to me because it's almost identical to

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Speaker 1: the conversation Republicans were having to themselves in the spring

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Speaker 1: of twenty sixteen when there were all these games. You know, hey,

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Speaker 1: maybe if everybody drops out in your knights behind one

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Speaker 1: Trump alternative, they can stop Trump. Right, first it was

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Speaker 1: Cruise and Rubio, maybe they can become a ticket. But

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Speaker 1: then they couldn't agree who was going to be one,

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Speaker 1: who is going to be two? And then Kasik and

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Speaker 1: Cruse were both calling for the other to get out, saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: if I get a one on one, I can beat Trump.

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Speaker 1: And there were all this hand ringing and all. Of course,

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Speaker 1: the problem in all of these scenarios is if somebody's

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Speaker 1: got to give up their ambition, right, And what you

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Speaker 1: found out in the twenty sixteen race, right, Rubio couldn't

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Speaker 1: was not going to essentially concede to Cruz. Cruse wasn't

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Speaker 1: going to concede to Rubio. Kasik wasn't going to do that.

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Speaker 1: You know, they all they couldn't do it. And you're

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Speaker 1: seeing almost the identical thing happen here with the New

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Speaker 1: York City Mayor's race among all the non Mam Donnie candidates.

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Speaker 1: It is interesting how Mam Donnie, the rise of Mam

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Speaker 1: Donnie is so similar in someone and the reaction to

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Speaker 1: it and this and the inability to stop it is

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Speaker 1: so reminiscent of the rise of Trump in those Republican primaries. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I just think it's uh, I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: more there. I think that you know that when you

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Speaker 1: have this outsider that captures the imagination, the establishment, you know,

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Speaker 1: gets sort of so nice, and they they're sort of

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Speaker 1: it's almost like they got hit in the face and

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Speaker 1: they're still sort of dizzy, but they're trying to they're

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Speaker 1: trying desperately to come up with a with a with

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Speaker 1: a counterpoint, and they really sort of are missing it, right.

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Speaker 1: I think ultimately the establishment Republicans missed what made Trump work,

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Speaker 1: and it was the fact that he was willing to

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Speaker 1: buck party and the fact that he was willing to

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Speaker 1: do these things. And I think in the same way

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Speaker 1: Cuomo and Adams they don't quite get why why Mom

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Speaker 1: Donnie did get traction. And if you don't understand why

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Speaker 1: they got traction just becoming the alternative. And that's the

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Speaker 1: other thing. These these anti campaigns rarely work. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I guess you could say it worked with Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: You know, look, we know what you don't like. Let's

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Speaker 1: you nite around what you don't like. It kind of

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Speaker 1: worked in twenty two, but it took a pandemic and

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Speaker 1: a colossal mismanagement by the president of that pandemic pandemic

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Speaker 1: for it to work, because without the pandemic and just

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Speaker 1: a simple anti Trump coalition wasn't gonna win. Didn't work

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Speaker 1: in sixteen, didn't work in twenty four, and it likely

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have worked in twenty either without without the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: And then finally, I am just throwing this out there

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Speaker 1: because it would be a fascic. So Howard University abruptly

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Speaker 1: lost it. It's the president, the current president of Howard

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Speaker 1: abruptly resigned literally basically right at the start of school

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Speaker 1: about about a week ago. And you're just like, WHOA,

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Speaker 1: So I don't we don't know the whole story, but

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Speaker 1: that's one of those The timing is sort of a

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Speaker 1: head scratcher. The former president's coming temporarily as an interim.

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Speaker 1: But you know it would be an interesting development, is

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Speaker 1: if Howard, you know, diversity, reached out to Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: to see if she was interested in the presidency there

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Speaker 1: she's an alum. It likely would be wildly popular among

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Speaker 1: the lumps, among donors, and it would put her in

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Speaker 1: some ways. She'd both be stepping away politically in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty eight and at the same time at the front

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Speaker 1: lines of trying to restore academic institutions and academic independence

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Speaker 1: in the face of this administration. So I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: All I can tell you is there's an opening at Howard.

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is an alum at Howard. I have no

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Speaker 1: idea if this interests her. I have no idea of

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Speaker 1: Howard's board board of trustees would want her. But I

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Speaker 1: will just tell you it would be a fascinating development

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Speaker 1: if you had a president Kamala Harris residing in Washington, DC,

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Speaker 1: dealing dealing in the world of academics as Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: declares war on academia. Something to ponder there. So, and

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Speaker 1: that moves me to a little bit of the heart

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Speaker 1: of my substack column this week, which is is trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out sort of and it's I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to put it simply, you know. One of the things

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Speaker 1: I plan on doing now once a week and it'll

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Speaker 1: be on these Wednesday shows. It's a come up with

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Speaker 1: a top five list, top top Yes, I know I'm

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Speaker 1: playing to the algorithm, so what okay, right, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to at least try to do it in ways that

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Speaker 1: are intellectually interesting. And when I was coming up with

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Speaker 1: this sort of a top five list for this first one,

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Speaker 1: so it's, you know, and I'll go all over the place.

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Speaker 1: I might do underrated college football programs at some point,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that one today. What I

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Speaker 1: was going to do is sort of who's had the

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Speaker 1: best twenty twenty five so far? If you're a Democrat

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Speaker 1: trying to position yourself as a viable candidate for twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you're a front runner. If you've made

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Speaker 1: my top five list. It doesn't mean you pull the best.

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Speaker 1: If you've made my top five list, it simply means

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Speaker 1: who's had the best, who's had the best, sort of

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Speaker 1: who's put themselves in a position that's been that's strengthened,

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Speaker 1: it's put themselves in a better position today than they

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Speaker 1: were at the start of this calendar year. And so

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Speaker 1: I will tell you this, I think the five that

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Speaker 1: I would put in here right now on this front,

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear nobody's had a better six

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Speaker 1: weeks right now than Gavin Newsom. Right six weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: Who's the leader of the Democratic Party? Yet I got

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Speaker 1: in Crickets? Is it Jeffreys, is it Schumer? It's a

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama? Still it's Kamala Harris, right. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you offered a list, I think Kamala Harris would come

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Speaker 1: out on top. It Usually the previous whoever the previous

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Speaker 1: nominee of a party is sort of always is a

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Speaker 1: default pick when you ask these question, sort of in

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Speaker 1: the first year after a presidential election. So, but I

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Speaker 1: think unequivocally right now in this moment, Gavin Newsom's the

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Speaker 1: leader of the Democratic Party. This redistricting fight has given

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Speaker 1: him a voice he has obviously he's the field general

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Speaker 1: here in the response to Texas. In some ways Republicans

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Speaker 1: would love to have Gavin as the face of the party,

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Speaker 1: so both of them have leaned into it. I think

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Speaker 1: the base of the party's fired up that Gavin's willing

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Speaker 1: to fight. I'm not gonna plenty of You know what

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Speaker 1: I think of this strategy long term, I think it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a I think it's a bad move. But

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Speaker 1: if you're talking about Gavin Newsom's politics at a time

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Speaker 1: when the Democratic base is desperate for a fighter and

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Speaker 1: they don't have one at the DNC, they don't have

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Speaker 1: one with the House Democrats, they don't have one with

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Speaker 1: the Senate Democrats, I get it. So Gavin's the fighter

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Speaker 1: right now, and I think it's it is. It is

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Speaker 1: probably going to translate into you'll start to see when

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Speaker 1: they ask the very early primary polling of who's your

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Speaker 1: preference to be the nominee twenty eight? I imagic Gavin

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Speaker 1: is going to be in the first slot in the

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Speaker 1: next six to eight weeks. Now, He's going to have

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Speaker 1: a huge test, right if he loses this referendum, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's probably a big blow to any chances he has.

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Speaker 1: And look, I'll admit I'm still a bit of a

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Speaker 1: skeptic at a former mayor of San Francisco can get

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Speaker 1: elected president of the United States just because of how

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Speaker 1: we culturally liberal, the perception of the of of how

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Speaker 1: culture liberal San Francisco is, and I just think it.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've seen how successfully the ripe is the

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Speaker 1: right has been able to demonize that. But I think,

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Speaker 1: to make no mistake, he'd be in mine. He's so

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Speaker 1: in my one slot is Gavin in my two slot

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Speaker 1: is somebody that isn't going to show up very high

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Speaker 1: in the polls right now, But it's Reuben Diego. And

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Speaker 1: in fact, I have this column about sort of there's

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Speaker 1: sort of in Today's in my sub stack update this

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Speaker 1: week that notes that sort of, look, there's been three

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Speaker 1: successful models archetypes for Democrats to win the presidency when

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Speaker 1: they've been out of power, right, and I sort of

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Speaker 1: I don't count Biden. Biden is sort of the acception rate.

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Speaker 1: Biden is the only president in one hundred years Democratic

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Speaker 1: side to win the presidency as a Democrat after having

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Speaker 1: lost a campaign for the president presidency in a previous year.

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton won the presidency the first time he ran.

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama won the presidency the first time he ran.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter won the presidency the first time he ran.

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Speaker 1: John Kennedy won the presidency the first time he ran. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, we can have a debate about whether FDR

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Speaker 1: being on the ticket as a VP nominee counts or

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Speaker 1: not as somebody having run before he actually run ran

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Speaker 1: himself for president. But that was in the arguably the

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Speaker 1: pre primary era. So if you really look in the

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Speaker 1: primary era of presidential pololitics, that has been the norm,

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Speaker 1: and there's sort of different archetypes that each fit in, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of Carter was the candidate that rose

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Speaker 1: because the nation wanted to cleanse itself from the corruption

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Speaker 1: of Richard Nixon and the sort of the immorality of

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Speaker 1: Nixon's presidency and his faith was grounded in fact. There's

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Speaker 1: a few candidates out there that I think might look

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Speaker 1: there look similar to that. Bill Clinton was the guy

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Speaker 1: who came in. Everybody thought he had too much baggage

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Speaker 1: to win a national election, too much questions about his

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Speaker 1: personal life, but he proved to be a fighter. Right,

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00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: does that ring familiar? I put Gavin Newsom in that column,

642
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: and then Barack Obama was sort of the fresh face

643
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: to turn the page. Aren't we tired of that old politics?

644
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: It's time to have a new conversation? And this is

645
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: the category I put Reuben Gego in. You know, here's

646
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: somebody who when he first got in, I thought, oh,

647
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: he's going to be compartmentalized as the super lefty primary

648
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: challenger to Kirsten Cinema. But he effectively didn't get pigeonholed

649
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: as a far left candidate, and he really moved on

650
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: the issue of border security, sort of very much, sort

651
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: of putting himself in line in some ways to the

652
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: right of Mark Kelly on some issues when it came

653
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: to border security and immigration. He won a close race

654
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: in a state that Donald Trump carried. That's a pretty

655
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: good it's a pretty good thing to have on your

656
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: political resume right now. And look, this is a barrier

657
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: that Democrats haven't broken in the presidential level, which is

658
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: to nominate somebody of Latino descent, either as a president

659
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: or a vice president. So you put him in that

660
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: sort of Barack Obama column, if you will. So I

661
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: think he's had the second best summer right now behind

662
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom. It's sort of putting themselves in to the

663
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: top tier of the president. Doesn't mean he's I'm saying

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00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: he's he's not. You know, he may not pull past

665
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Speaker 1: three percent for the next two years, but I think

666
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: as far as donor awareness and activist awareness. He's had

667
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: a pretty good and he's, by the way, been to

668
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: both Iowa New Hampshire this summer. And I'd say that

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00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: the other candidate that I put on putting in the

670
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: three slot is somebody that nobody counts as a presidential

671
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: candidate yet, and it's James Tellerrisco, which is the state

672
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: legislator down in Texas, who reminds me the sort of

673
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: the buzz that's growing around him actually reminds me of

674
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: the buzz in twenty seventeen around the mayor of South

675
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: Bend who ran a failed campaign for DNC chair but

676
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: became a popular person to start booking. Hey, this is

677
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: a new fresh face inside the Democratic Party. Their first millennial,

678
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: can you know, their first sort of millennial spokesperson who

679
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, seems to be not a little

680
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: bit different than what we're used to, and it was

681
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: Pete Footagge and Telerisco reminds me of a combination of

682
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: Pete Buotagge and Jimmy Carter. And there's a chance that

683
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: that is maybe that you know, I don't know if

684
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 1: that's going to be what the voters want in twenty eight.

685
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: But I think he's put himself in a position where

686
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: he suddenly, you know, people are looking for a new voice,

687
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 1: people are looking for a younger, generational change. He's checking

688
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: a lot of these boxes. And you know, unfortunately for

689
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: Pete Budaget, he's run before. And if you if the

690
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: pattern holds where you know, it's tough to be a

691
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: fresh face a second time, right, you only get to

692
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: be the fresh face once. So I think he in

693
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: some ways tal Risco was the face of the Democrats

694
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: who fled out in Texas. Being grounded in faith, I

695
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: think is a strength, particularly in a general election that

696
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: is underrated, especially if it comes from the Democratic side. Right,

697
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: there's this perception that Republicans are more religious than Democrats.

698
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: I think that would play well in the Midwest. So

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00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: I just I put him at number three on sort

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00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: of having you know, he put himself on the map. Okay,

701
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: nobody was saying that, the even thinking about him in

702
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: those terms. And maybe you know, this is why if

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Speaker 1: I were in his shoes, I don't I might if

704
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: I run for anything, I'd run for governor at Senate, right,

705
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: I'd stay out of the federal issues and I'd make

706
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: abbot if he decides to run statewide, But he's somebody

707
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked to see on an early debate

708
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: stage sometime in the fall of twenty seven. And then

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00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: the next two i'd put down is sort of four

710
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: and five on this list is Andy Basheer and Wes Moore,

711
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: who they've you know, they've been you're watching them in

712
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: some ways they've been out maneuvering, you know. I think

713
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: we all expected Joshapiro to be a little more aggressive,

714
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: and he's been much less aggressive, sort of talking up

715
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: his own potential presidential candidacy. I think he wants to

716
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: secure a second term first versus you know, Basher's you know,

717
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: he's he didn't know, he's not running for reelection. He

718
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: doesn't have to run again himself. And in Wes Moore,

719
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: I think is a little safer politically right. I doubt

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00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: the only person that could give west Or a race

721
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: in twenty six would be the former governor Larry Hogan.

722
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: And while well, I think he joked about it on

723
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: social media a couple of weeks ago, I'd be shocked

724
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: if he wanted to go through the mass of trying

725
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: to navigate Trump in a Republican party, even though the

726
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: Maryland Republican Party would probably be a little bit more

727
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: open to him being anti Trump than anyplace else. It

728
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: doesn't make a lot of sense to me. And I

729
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: think both More and Bashir have done the inside game

730
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,720
Speaker 1: pretty well. They both traveled to some key early states.

731
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: Basher showed up at the Akim Jeffreys money gathering out

732
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 1: of the West Coast and was sort of a featured

733
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: speaker there. So he's starting to meet those donors. So,

734
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, so in short, I think those you know,

735
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: like I said, some people wears Shapiro. Where's AOC. I

736
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: think AOC had a really good spring, she sort of

737
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: ratcheted back, and I'm you know, who's the leader of

738
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: the progress Is it Bernie Sanders or is it AOC?

739
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: And I think until the handoff is complete, it feels

740
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: like Bernie Sanders is not ready to give up the torch, right.

741
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 1: He still wants to be the leader of the progressive movement,

742
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: And so until that's fully handed off to her, that's

743
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: why I don't quite her. I certainly put her out

744
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 1: there as a wild card in this, and I think

745
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: she's a formidable candidate if she runs. Don't get me wrong,

746
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: but I do think the fact that Bernie's not ready

747
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: to leave the stage and to sort of hand it

748
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: hand the organization fully to her yet And maybe he will,

749
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: and maybe that is the plan come twenty twenty six

750
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty seven. But that is why I've left

751
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: her off this list. I've left Whitmer off this list

752
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: because I do think the shine has faded a little

753
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 1: bit with her, fairly or unfairly. I think the Michigan

754
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: looks like a you know, it wouldn't be good for

755
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: Whitmer's chances is if she's replaced by an independent or

756
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: a Republican so and that's why I don't think this

757
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: has been a great for her, if you will, on

758
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: that front. And I do think that infamous photos one

759
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: that's always gonna leave with her where she's in the

760
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: Trump oval office, which has been good for Michigan working

761
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: with Trump. I think she's figured that out, but she

762
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: can't be afraid of it. And I think putting up

763
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: that folder is a moment that it's going to be

764
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: hard to shake for her long term. Right, That's one

765
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: of those pictures you feel like that could just haunt

766
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: her if you will. So my top five this week

767
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: is the five potential presidential candidates who've had the best

768
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: summer and who've probably made the most progress at getting

769
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: to their goal of being a viable top tier presidential candidate.

770
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom in the one, Slack, Ruben Gayego in the two,

771
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: Tell Risk Go in the three, Basher and more. I'll

772
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: put them in either order. I don't really I guess

773
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: I'd go Beser four, More five, but you know, we

774
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: could swap it and it wouldn't be a huge argument there.

775
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: Do check out the substack. I go through the different

776
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: variables of you know, who's who's running as a Carter archetype,

777
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: who's running maybe as a Bill Clinton archetype, and who's

778
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: running as a Barack Obama archetype. I do think that

779
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: when you see these various candidates raise their hand as

780
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: potential nominees on the Democratic side, ask yourself which one

781
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: they fit in, Because ultimately, and this is the real challenge,

782
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: whoever is the next nominee of the Democratic Party is

783
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: I do think you have a country, you have a

784
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: Democratic party that wants a fighter. You have a sort

785
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: of the middle of the electorate that's exhausted as looking

786
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: for a uniter, right. I think that's where where where

787
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: you have sort of the never trumpers are, and then

788
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: you have a group of independents who are looking for

789
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: somebody who's willing to put country over party, right, So

790
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: they're looking for you know, while the Democratic Party wants

791
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: a fighter, the voters that may decide who wins or

792
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: loses the election want somebody that's willing to buck their

793
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: party every once in a while. Right, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama,

794
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: we're both really good at doing both right, giving the

795
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: base what they wanted, and at times picking and choosing

796
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: ways to push to maybe go against a stereotype play

797
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 1: the unity card, so that they both were nimble enough

798
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: to be able to sort of to to do both.

799
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan on the Republican side, is probably the best

800
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: example of somebody that could both fire up a base

801
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: and at the same time project this idea that he

802
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: was a unifier. Certainly that is not Donald Trump's mo right,

803
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: Donald Trump only knows one. Speed, only knows one. He

804
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: does not know how to straddle a fence. So anyway,

805
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed that little rundown of twenty eight. Sorry,

806
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: let's do a few questions here a little last Chuck

807
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: ask Chuck. First question comes from Terry and he writes,

808
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm currently serving as a federal law enforcement officer to

809
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: avoid future weaponization of the justice system, either real or perceived.

810
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: Can you tell me if this would be a viable

811
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: reform option. Congress passes a law which states the Chief

812
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: Justice of the Supreme Court nominates to the Attorney General

813
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: and heads of DOJ agencies FBI, at F etc. Then

814
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: they are confirmed by the Senate and serve seven year terms. Granted,

815
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: even though all people have biases, this could assist in

816
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: removing the optics of an outwardly perceived politically motivated bias.

817
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: Thank you for your time, Terry. I love the idea

818
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: and the concept behind this. I've actually proposed a I

819
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: wrote a column a few years ago that was proposing

820
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: as similar that we move the attorney general to five

821
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: year terms and various offices, and you sort of stagger

822
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: them so that maybe the top four positions are you know,

823
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: those terms are finite five year terms, and you sort

824
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: of you have it so that maybe a deputy ag

825
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: was appointed by a Republican president. Another deputy a g

826
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: somebody who's a holdover from you know, just like you

827
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: have in the judiciary. It's an interesting I don't know

828
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: if I would mix the branches right, having the I

829
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: take your I get the idea of using the head

830
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: of the judiciary to do this, but you might considering

831
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Speaker 1: that they have to sit in judgment sometimes of decisions

832
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: made by the Department of Justice. Are you creating a

833
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: potential conflict, right that could get exploited? So, but I

834
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: generally agree with the larger idea here, which is I

835
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: do not think the attorney general should be appointed by

836
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: the by the president, right, like you know, you know

837
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: when we when I mean, it's it's still astonishing to

838
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: me that we had a president appoint as brother attorney general, right.

839
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: You know, imagine if Donald Trump were trying to appoint

840
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: you know, Eric Trump attorney general. I do think people

841
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: would actually, even in the Republican Party might say, well,

842
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: that's a bridge too far. The fact though, it wasn't

843
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: that long ago that this was sort of okayed, right,

844
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: It's always been one of those that I think is

845
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: a tough one to defend. So but the point is is,

846
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: I do think if we're going to restore trust in

847
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 1: law enforcement, we have to figure out how to take

848
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: as much politics out of it as we can. If

849
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: it gets turned into some you know, why can't the

850
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: same And of course the president's actually challenging the independence

851
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: of the Federal Reserve. But in some ways, the Department

852
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: of Justice and the Federal Reserve ought to both be

853
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Speaker 1: as independent as you can possibly make them. Given that

854
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Speaker 1: you still have politicians helping to make these decisions, you

855
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: certainly don't want you don't want it closer to the politicians,

856
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: which of course is what Donald Trump has done, right.

857
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 1: He wants to make everything subject to the politicians. Look,

858
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: we're if that's what the founders wanted, they would have

859
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: embraced a direct to mycricy, Right, We're a republic for

860
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: a reason, and so you know, this is this goes

861
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: back to my frustration. I really don't think Donald trump

862
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: on has ever been taught the Constitution, And if if

863
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Speaker 1: he was, then he didn't show up the class the

864
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: day they taught it. I don't think he at all

865
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Speaker 1: understands that it was a document that that was that

866
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: came into existence via compromise, Right, it wasn't you know,

867
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: it was the founders couldn't agree on certain things, so

868
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: they built in new compromises in order to find a

869
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: way to move forward. And you know, when we talk

870
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: about and Charlie Cook talked about this in My and

871
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: I interviewed a couple couple of podcasts ago when he said, hey,

872
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, you know this, when we talk about a

873
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: lack of civics education, it isn't just hey, how many

874
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: Supreme Court justices there are? Do you understand why we

875
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: have the system that we have? Right? Why did the

876
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: founders make these decisions? You know, I you know, and

877
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: I know it comes across this market. I do not

878
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: think the president of the United States has read a

879
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: Federal's paper. Okay, I really don't you want to call

880
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: this Trump the arrangement syndrome. Go ahead, show me where

881
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: he's ever shown any sort of any sort of evidence

882
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Speaker 1: that he's at all well read on the federalist papers

883
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Speaker 1: on why the Constitution turned out the way it did.

884
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Speaker 1: He's never shown any evidence of this, you know, and

885
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: I've told you you know, it drives me crazy that

886
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: if somebody decides they want to be a United States Senator,

887
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Speaker 1: United States congress person, or President of the United States,

888
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Speaker 1: if they don't know some of the intricate history of

889
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: the Constitution. You know, I don't think they're qualified now. Ultimately,

890
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: the only qualifications are laid out in the Constitution. Most

891
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: of them have to do with agent citizenship, and that's

892
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: about it. But I'd tell you, in a perfect world,

893
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Speaker 1: I'd like to make anybody who files to the FEC

894
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: to be a candidate for president ought to at least

895
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Speaker 1: take a civics exam that we, as the voters, can

896
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Speaker 1: see how they did. I'm not saying it would I

897
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Speaker 1: wouldn't have the exam used to decide whether or not

898
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Speaker 1: an agency would let them run for president. But I

899
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: want in the same way, I want to see your

900
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: health records to find out if you've if you if

901
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: you're up to the job, if you can handle the

902
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: stresses of the job. I want to see your financial

903
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: records to find out if you're a crook or not,

904
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Speaker 1: and if you're going to use the job to correct yourself.

905
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: And I want to know what kind of civics education

906
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Speaker 1: you have. How do you view the Constitution? Do you

907
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: know some of the rationales for why why we have

908
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: the thirteenth Amendment? What birthright citizenship was was all about.

909
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: I want to see the answers to those questions. As

910
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: a citizen, it would help me decide whether you're, in

911
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: my mind qualified to uphold what is said in that oath,

912
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: uphold the constitution. But Terry your larger idea of essentially

913
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: how to I do think this ought to be a

914
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: cause that somebody out to take up. This is part

915
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: of the constitutional convention, you know. I think about little

916
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: things in Japan there. I believe it's in their in

917
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: their legislature. Do you know one little thing they do

918
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: that I think is really smart. Their their version of

919
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: an oversight committee is always shared by the leading minority party,

920
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: you know. So the idea is that you always have

921
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 1: some sort of bipartisan bounds, so that oversight is always

922
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: the opposite party. Political oversight is always the opposite party

923
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Speaker 1: of who controls Japan's government. That's also an interesting model

924
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Speaker 1: that we get. The point is that there are a

925
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Speaker 1: lot of reforms we could do that could bring some

926
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Speaker 1: political trust back to the system, and yours is an

927
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: idea worth considering. Like I said, I'm the only flaw

928
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Speaker 1: I see in your idea is is having the head

929
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Speaker 1: of the judiciary branch potentially having a conflict of deciding

930
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Speaker 1: who the prosecutors are, etc. But the larger idea I

931
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Speaker 1: think holds in it it would be a we got

932
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Speaker 1: to get somewhere to deal with this trust. All right.

933
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: Next question comes from George E. From Burlington, Iowa. All Right,

934
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Speaker 1: Dear Chuck. In your August twenty first episode, you've floated

935
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Speaker 1: the idea of a constitutional convention. I worry such a

936
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Speaker 1: process would produce delegates more focused on self promotion than

937
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: real solutions. Instead, I think a small bipartisan committee of

938
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Speaker 1: senators and representatives could draft a constitutional amendment addressing two

939
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: divisive issues, abortion and guns, by finding terms both sides

940
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Speaker 1: could live with. As a retired lawyer, I've seen compromise

941
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Speaker 1: work this way in negotiations, and I wonder if such

942
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Speaker 1: a model could help us move past the all or

943
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Speaker 1: nothing mindset that fuels division today. Thanks. It's an interesting thought,

944
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Speaker 1: you know, And you know, one could argue, Look, I

945
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Speaker 1: we should not be afraid of a constitutional convention. I understand,

946
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: you know, and I've said this before. I think if

947
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: you fear it, then hey, the democracy's all's already lost.

948
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Speaker 1: It's sort of like I'm putting my trust in the voters,

949
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: because if I can't trust them, then the whole then

950
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: the whole experiment is over anyway. So but I do

951
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Speaker 1: I think that a high you know, what I'd love

952
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: to see is almost like a Remember we had the

953
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Speaker 1: Simpson Bowls Commission to try to deal with the debt,

954
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Speaker 1: and they come up, came up with a plan, and

955
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Speaker 1: there was this idea that you know, it was, you know, okay,

956
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Speaker 1: and if they could you know, that plan might get

957
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Speaker 1: ratified up or down in Congress, if they could come

958
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: up to an agreement. Turns out the committee themselves didn't

959
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Speaker 1: get to the I think the two thirds agreement necessary

960
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: through whatever it was and the rules that they did.

961
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: But you know, we have the two hundred and fiftieth

962
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Speaker 1: anniversary of the country coming up of our independence. I

963
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: certainly would love to see a bipartisan team of senators

964
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Speaker 1: and representatives come up with various constitutional amendments. Right, what

965
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: would the balance what would a balanced budget amendment look

966
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: like that that was sort of approved by a bipartisan panel.

967
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: What could you talked about guns? I'd thrown I think

968
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Speaker 1: campaign personally, I deal with campaign finances, and I think

969
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: that a place where you could potentially get areas of

970
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: agreement right. I think you need something from stage left,

971
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 1: something from stage right, balance budget amendment and stage right,

972
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: perhaps campaign finance reform some form on stage left. I

973
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 1: think that there would be some some some interest in

974
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: that on both sides of the aisle. Interesting idea on abortion.

975
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if you could get to the I

976
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: don't I don't know if you could get to language

977
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: that would that could get approved, it could get the

978
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 1: get it ratified. But I I like the larger idea

979
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: of let's, you know, essentially borrow from the Simpson Bowls Committee.

980
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: Create a committee that is, you know, some active members

981
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: of Congress, maybe some former members, maybe a few you

982
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: know people former governors, you know, stop a couple of

983
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: academics and see what see what they come up with.

984
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you know a in a with a different president,

985
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: I think you could. You could feel like that you

986
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: could have a commission like that that would be taken seriously.

987
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: I don't. I fear that if this president signed an

988
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: executive order of some sort doing it, it wouldn't have

989
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: the same it wouldn't have the same credibility for enough

990
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: people to be taken seriously but look, I'm I am.

991
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to fear the Constitutional convention, but I

992
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: like your idea as well. I certainly would love to

993
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: see to see what a group of elected officials from

994
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: both sides of the aisle could come up with. All right,

995
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: last one, Kevin C. From Pennsylvania says, Hey, Chuck, just

996
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: finishing finished listening to your great talk with Charlie Cook

997
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: and your commentary on Charlie Cook. The obvious difficulty of

998
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: doing one got me wondering, what about an unofficial, non

999
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: binding convention organized and run by a hopefully bipartisan group

1000
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: of smart people, including educator's, business people, members of the press, military,

1001
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: and normal citizens. It would require a lot of resources

1002
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: to put it together, but it could be, as you said,

1003
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: an incredible educational opportunity for the whole country. Referring to

1004
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: constitutional convention, I think there's an excellent chance that it

1005
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Speaker 1: could lead to a popular demand for the real thing.

1006
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: Thanks for your great conversations. I'm learning a lot for

1007
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: an old guy. Well, Kevin, Thanks, I appreciate. I think

1008
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: we're always I'd like to think, I'm I want to

1009
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: always be ultimately in the education business. Look same thing, right,

1010
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: I think if we could do, which is why I

1011
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: went in and added this question. I think the exercise

1012
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: could be healthy. It would be a lot I'd love

1013
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: to be a government teach, high school government teacher if

1014
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: something like this were happening, right, I mean, you get to,

1015
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, in some ways, you get to use the

1016
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: real world to help you teach. But yeah, it would

1017
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Speaker 1: lead I think to a massive national civics education that

1018
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: we are long overdue on. It would be healthy. It

1019
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: would be fantastic to coincide with the two hundred and

1020
00:57:54,760 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: fiftieth anniversary of Independence Day. But you know, I unfortunately

1021
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: think that partisans in both parties aren't ready to have

1022
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: that kind of conversation, right and and you know, but

1023
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, we can hope, right, Maybe the best way

1024
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Speaker 1: to get this started is to get a bunch of formers.

1025
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Speaker 1: You know, there's an a hole, there's a there's a

1026
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: there's a nonprofit group of literally former members of Congress.

1027
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 1: They get together, I think once or twice a year

1028
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Speaker 1: in some form or another. Marty Frost, former member and

1029
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: a friend of mine, was very active in it for

1030
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: quite some time. You know, maybe they could you know,

1031
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: maybe Brookings and Heritage could get together Brookings and AI.

1032
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: Maybe they would get along better than Heritage because Heritage

1033
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: is not really an independent think tank anymore. They're just

1034
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: an arm of the Trump administration. But AI is sort

1035
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: of independent conservatives, Brookings independent liberals. You know, maybe they

1036
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: could get together and show us what a constitutional convention

1037
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: could look like. Maybe the Presidential Library System could host it.

1038
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, maybe the Clinton and Bush Libraries to

1039
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: could together put something there. We have a lot of

1040
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: interesting venues that could that could lean into this sort

1041
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: of small d democratic renewal that I think the country

1042
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: uh desperately needs. Right in the same way we needed

1043
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: to repair roads and bridges, we need to repair the

1044
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: infrastructure of our democracy. We need to update the infrastructure

1045
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: of our democracy. And you know, why not the Bush

1046
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: Library at SMU, the Clinton Library, and Little Rock work

1047
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Speaker 1: together to see what I did there a little plug

1048
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: for the SMU. But put them together and they could

1049
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: They could be interesting hosts for this. Yes, it might

1050
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: get negative commentary from the current occupant of the Oval Office,

1051
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: but maybe that would only bring attention to the idea.

1052
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Speaker 1: And as you said, if we sort of mock this

1053
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: out a little bit, maybe it would suddenly drive interest

1054
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Speaker 1: into having the real thing. All Right, with that, you've

1055
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: heard enough of my voice today. Let me take a

1056
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: break for twenty four hours until we upload him