WEBVTT - Quan Martin + Charles Mann on the NFC Championship & the Eagles | Next Man Up | Washington Commanders | NFL

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<v Speaker 1>Another special playoff episode of Next Man Up. Our safety

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<v Speaker 1>Kwan Martin had a huge game out on Detroit.

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<v Speaker 2>We talk all.

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<v Speaker 1>About that and look forward to the Philadelphia Eagles. That's right, baby,

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<v Speaker 1>we are in the NFC Championship. Then we have to

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<v Speaker 1>have another Super Bowl champion.

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<v Speaker 3>Pull up.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Man, one of the best defensive ends to ever

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<v Speaker 1>play the game, pulls up and talks about why winning

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<v Speaker 1>it's so important for this fan base.

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<v Speaker 3>All that more right now on Next Man Up, command

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<v Speaker 3>this family.

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<v Speaker 1>For our Next Man Up, we had to bring on

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<v Speaker 1>the player of the game from Mount in Detroit, had

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible pick six. We want to talk about all

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<v Speaker 1>that welcoming in our safety kwaldm Martin.

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<v Speaker 4>Brother was going on, Man, appreciate you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I appreciate you taking the time to see with us.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm say, You're getting picked six is

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<v Speaker 1>on a big stage and all that.

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<v Speaker 5>Man, You're doing big things.

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<v Speaker 3>Brother, Man, how great has this season been for you?

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<v Speaker 5>Just overall?

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<v Speaker 4>Man, it's been special, just from OTAs to to camp

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<v Speaker 4>and you know everything that you know, we've really been

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<v Speaker 4>through and uh, just a preparation, man, everything that went

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<v Speaker 4>into it. Just new staff, new players, like building and

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<v Speaker 4>bonding with those guys and it's just been fun.

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<v Speaker 5>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>And you use the word special. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>have used that word special.

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<v Speaker 1>What you know, you mentioned all those things, but what

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<v Speaker 1>about it if you could hone in on something that

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<v Speaker 1>has made this season so special for Qualm Martin, For.

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<v Speaker 4>Me, man, just the guys around me, uh, Jeremy Chan

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<v Speaker 4>Bobby Wagner, Mikey Sanders still like all those dudes, man,

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<v Speaker 4>Just just being able to have a group of guys

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<v Speaker 4>that you know you can depend on and you know

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<v Speaker 4>that's going to depend on you. So just being able

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<v Speaker 4>to show up for them dudes every day. And she

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<v Speaker 4>was really the whole team, man. Just everybody's just been

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<v Speaker 4>so hands on. And you know, talk about brotherhood all

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<v Speaker 4>the time, but it ain't cliche man, like it shows

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<v Speaker 4>like on the field. Off the field, just the bonds

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<v Speaker 4>is strong.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, y'all got that real brotherhood. And you mentioned Bobby

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<v Speaker 1>Wagner and that's a real leader right there.

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<v Speaker 5>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean both of us we grew up watching Bobby Wagner. No,

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<v Speaker 1>we know what he's able to do.

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<v Speaker 5>Feld.

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<v Speaker 1>What has he been like as a mentor and the

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<v Speaker 1>leader to not only you but this entire defense.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, he's been a lot, just that leadership. Just coming

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<v Speaker 4>in here. Man, he like, you know, a coach on

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<v Speaker 4>the field, So just being able to learn from him, man,

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<v Speaker 4>just whatever, just takes stuff from him, and he's a

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<v Speaker 4>great piece on that defense.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned that coach on the field, but you also

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<v Speaker 1>have a dog upstairs, that defensive coordinator, Joe with j

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<v Speaker 1>Man watching everything you guys do, making those adjustments. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>what has it been like, because this is the first

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<v Speaker 1>time being a coordinator, what's it been like learning of

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<v Speaker 1>the Joe with Junior and what.

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<v Speaker 5>Makes him so special?

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<v Speaker 4>Man, it's been fun, you know, just the way he

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<v Speaker 4>schemed things up, the way he put us in position

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<v Speaker 4>to be successful and make players. Man Like, it's been fun.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't think I ever had this much fun

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<v Speaker 4>playing football.

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<v Speaker 5>So what makes it so much fun? Though? Man?

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<v Speaker 1>Because again we've had people sitting at the same chance

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<v Speaker 1>say I've never had this much fun or this.

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<v Speaker 5>Is the most fun I've had since college?

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<v Speaker 1>What about it is so much fun and just working

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<v Speaker 1>right because you've seen the NFL for a few years now.

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<v Speaker 5>What makes this so much fun? Man?

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<v Speaker 4>It's just guys out there who just loved a game

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<v Speaker 4>of football. Man, Who's gonna go out and do anything

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<v Speaker 4>to win? So you know when you got guys like that, man,

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<v Speaker 4>it's hard not to have fun and just fly around

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<v Speaker 4>and make plays. Man, And you know we all just

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<v Speaker 4>celebrate each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>You talk about making plays, brother, he made a huge play.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the Troy got that big pig six.

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<v Speaker 5>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>In that moment you catch that ball, you start taking off,

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<v Speaker 1>you start seeing that. When did you know you was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take it all the way to the crib?

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<v Speaker 6>Nah?

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't even as soon as I caught it. It

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<v Speaker 4>was after I made the second dude miss. Once I

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<v Speaker 4>made the second dude miss, I looked up. I just

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<v Speaker 4>seen a line of like white jerseys just blocking for me,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was like, I don't know if you've seen

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<v Speaker 4>the video, but I like put the ball out like

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<v Speaker 4>four yards out, and I just seen the end zone,

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<v Speaker 4>just the blue before I even got in there. I'm like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>that's touchdown. So it felt good, man, Like my first

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<v Speaker 4>career pick six and now just scoring a touchdown, man,

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<v Speaker 4>And any game just feels good.

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<v Speaker 5>How many times if you watched that highlight?

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<v Speaker 4>I probably watched it I've been I've been trying to

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<v Speaker 4>stop watching it. Yeah, I probably ain't watched it since. Nah,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll watched it today.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, nothing wrong with that, man, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Man, Yeah, it's been fun.

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<v Speaker 4>Just you know, you got a lot of people sitting

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<v Speaker 4>there to you, and so it's hard not to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think my favorite part of that pick six was

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<v Speaker 1>louisvu that block at the exuse I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>what's necessary to do, but boy, look, good man, what

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<v Speaker 1>did you say to lou when you saw that.

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<v Speaker 4>We appreciate you from making sure I got in there. Man,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you never know how to go to man,

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<v Speaker 4>he might dive and trip me up, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 4>So just like that's what we talk about, man, like

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<v Speaker 4>doing it for the guy next to you, Like it's

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<v Speaker 4>he didn't have to make that block, but he did,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I'm saying. So gave me an opportunity

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<v Speaker 4>to score.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's been the coolest thing talking to you guys

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<v Speaker 1>after these big plascause. Everybody say in the share that's

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<v Speaker 1>had big plays talk about their favorite part of it

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<v Speaker 1>is after the fact, after you make the play, because

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<v Speaker 1>of the reception you're getting on the sideline because.

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<v Speaker 5>Of the love.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, what was that love like after you got that

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<v Speaker 1>pick six? You even remember or was it just like white?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was like white noise, man, Like I kind

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<v Speaker 4>of blacked out. I did, Like, like the first thing

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<v Speaker 4>I really heard was like the crowd just goes silent,

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<v Speaker 4>and I can hear like our fans, like you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they in the other area, Like I can hear them

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<v Speaker 4>screaming from afar And I'm like, man, it was just crazy,

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<v Speaker 4>like just complete blank in the crowd like it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just crazy to see and I just you know,

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<v Speaker 4>my teammates they came out, they celebrated me, man, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was fun honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned those fans, man, how great is it

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<v Speaker 1>being so I think last time we spoke was in Arizona,

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<v Speaker 1>and even out there they were they were in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 1>We've seen our fans travel everywhere and even Introit. You

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<v Speaker 1>can tell they didn't want us there. We were still

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<v Speaker 1>there and we were still loud.

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<v Speaker 5>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>How cool is that being a player knowing that you

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<v Speaker 1>have a fan base behind you like that?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man, It's it's been cool since you know, we've

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<v Speaker 4>been able to see it, and uh, you know, just

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<v Speaker 4>giving the fans some the cheer for it, really and

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<v Speaker 4>just bring these these wins and continueing to, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>just make the city happy, make the fans happy, and

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<v Speaker 4>just putting ourselves in position to have that report from

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<v Speaker 4>our fans. So it's been great all year.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's great when you see these teams winning games,

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<v Speaker 1>you see us doing these things. But it's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>to beat the Eagles, we already beat them once, but

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<v Speaker 1>to beat them in the NFC Championship. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you notice, but we have not been to the

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<v Speaker 1>NFCY Championship game since nineteen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he wasn't yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't yet, So that's crazy, man. But Philly, that's

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<v Speaker 1>something you are very, very familiar with. Do you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that gives you guys an advantage knowing that you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have seen this team not only twice but also

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<v Speaker 1>beat them before as well?

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<v Speaker 5>It does.

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<v Speaker 4>But Coach Witt actually said some of the meeting today

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<v Speaker 4>and it kind of just stuck with me. He's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>like we played them, we beat him, blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 4>but we haven't played them in an NFC championship game.

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<v Speaker 4>So just treating this game, like, you know, this is

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<v Speaker 4>our first time playing, truthfully.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the preparation been like, like, you know, I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's still a game, but this is playoffs, is NFC Championship.

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<v Speaker 1>How has preparation increased or amped up during this playoff run?

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<v Speaker 5>You guys right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Man, just gods trying to you know, whatever kind of

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<v Speaker 4>preparation it is, like taking care of your body, rehab treatment,

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<v Speaker 4>working out, like just getting stronger, and you know, just

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<v Speaker 4>studying honestly and just being able to look at the details.

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<v Speaker 4>Like like you said, we played them twice already, so

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<v Speaker 4>Red just trying to find more, you know, just digesting

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<v Speaker 4>their offense, defense, whatever it may be, but just trying

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<v Speaker 4>to find more and just saying some things you can

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<v Speaker 4>learn from.

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<v Speaker 1>When dan Quinn talks to you guys during this time

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<v Speaker 1>because him, but I'll be waggoning Jo, would you all

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<v Speaker 1>of them have seen success in the playoffs. What has

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<v Speaker 1>dan Quinn's been messaging not only to the team but

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<v Speaker 1>to the defense.

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<v Speaker 5>As a whole. Just stay in the moment.

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<v Speaker 4>It's gonna be a lot of outside nos of this, Dad,

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<v Speaker 4>whatever will come after, but just staying in a moment

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<v Speaker 4>and just staying with our preparation and just taking it

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<v Speaker 4>one week at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone who definitely seems to always stay in a moment

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<v Speaker 1>is Jady Daniels.

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<v Speaker 5>We were talking to Jonathan Allen off air.

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<v Speaker 1>He was like, man, our defense just knows whenever win

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<v Speaker 1>in the pinch, just get Jadon Daniels to the ball

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<v Speaker 1>backuse that kind of the conversation you guys have.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, we always talk about getting those takeaways, three plus

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<v Speaker 4>takeaways a week, and just I mean, he's a bad

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<v Speaker 4>man with the ball in his end. So whenever you

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<v Speaker 4>can give him opportunities, actual opportunities at the ball with

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<v Speaker 4>the ball in his hands, like he's special and he's

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<v Speaker 4>gonna make play.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's somebody that is in the secondary.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to scout quarterbacks all the time, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to play up and gets some of the best quarterbacks,

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<v Speaker 1>especially this season. What does make Jade and Daniel so

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<v Speaker 1>special in your opinion?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, obviously, like we've been around to

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<v Speaker 4>OTAs man, but I mean just his confidence, his poise,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think that's what everybody talk about, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>how he's just so calm. I knows big moments, but

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you don't always see that from a guy

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<v Speaker 4>that young. So just man, he's just a great player.

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<v Speaker 5>Honestly, you talk.

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<v Speaker 1>About calm and poise being young, you're young, yea true

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<v Speaker 1>calm you are poised?

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<v Speaker 5>Man? What kind of player is kwalm Mark?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I know every time we talk You've mentioned to

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<v Speaker 1>me before this you're not necessarily sure players really know

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<v Speaker 1>who you are yet the fans really know who you are.

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<v Speaker 5>Have you have to show who you are?

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like, you know, as a season one man,

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<v Speaker 4>I just you know, steadily uh getting better and better.

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<v Speaker 5>Man.

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<v Speaker 4>So I think this last game and that that picked six, man,

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<v Speaker 4>that's just the opportunity for me to really just like

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<v Speaker 4>you know, show everybody like this is what I'm capable of,

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<v Speaker 4>and just being able to build off that, man that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, come with extreme confidence.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, how do you build off with momentum? Right that? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yes, it was only your first pick six, but

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<v Speaker 1>you have just had incredible game after incredible games, incredible game.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you continue to build off of that? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that just something that's here or is it something you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing in this facility that's helping us all the above?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean every game is always perfect, so you know,

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<v Speaker 4>It's always stuff to learn from and little details to

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<v Speaker 4>pick up on.

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<v Speaker 5>Like when you watching the.

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<v Speaker 4>Film, Uh, you might feel one way out there, but

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<v Speaker 4>when you look at the tape, it's like, dang, I

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<v Speaker 4>could have did this better, or like my eyes could

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<v Speaker 4>have been better in this situation. And you know that

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<v Speaker 4>just really prepares you for the next game and the

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<v Speaker 4>next game. So I think just always constantly just you know,

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<v Speaker 4>not getting complacent, man, Just finding the low details and

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<v Speaker 4>just something to learn from is always like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>gonna keep me going here, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when you prepare for a god like Hurts, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Jalen Hurts Batman, just like Jade and Daniels when you're

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<v Speaker 1>preparing for them, when you're looking for those little things

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<v Speaker 1>that stand out to you, what are some of those

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<v Speaker 1>things that stand out to you that make you feel,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what we can find success against a high powered.

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<v Speaker 5>Offense like this.

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<v Speaker 4>I think just knowing where God's going to bet on

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<v Speaker 4>the field, you know. I think a lot of formations

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<v Speaker 4>will tell you a picture. I mean it will tell

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<v Speaker 4>you a story, and h teams kind of get to

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<v Speaker 4>it in different ways. But you know, when you really

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<v Speaker 4>look at it and lock in and you know, just

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<v Speaker 4>you able to see the story that the picture is telling.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that comes with confidence and just allows you

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<v Speaker 4>to go out and make play.

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<v Speaker 5>With kwal Man.

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<v Speaker 1>We have nothing but confidence in your brother. We know

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna make plays. One more thing for me right there, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that's your ISO cam. Talk to the Commanders fans because

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<v Speaker 1>you know they're gonna pull up in Philly.

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<v Speaker 5>You know they're gonna be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to them while they need to show up and

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<v Speaker 1>show out. And how much they have meant to you

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<v Speaker 1>guys this season.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, man, I mean the Commander fans have meant the

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<v Speaker 4>whole lot to us this season. The support has been there,

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<v Speaker 4>has been strong, and uh, just comrade this thing out

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<v Speaker 4>and see y'all in Philly.

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<v Speaker 1>See y'all in Philly. Commandeds fans, We know y'all are

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<v Speaker 1>going to show up and show out. Kwan, appreciate you, brother,

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda's family on next man up, the Big Man out

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<v Speaker 1>and Detroit Baby Kwan, Marik Kwan, good luck this son.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 5>Command this family.

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<v Speaker 1>Since we're in the playoffs, we're going to keep the

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<v Speaker 1>trend going of having Super Bowl champions and legends pull

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<v Speaker 1>up to next man up, and this one is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the best defensive linemen to ever play the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this for the Berkeley and Gold, but for the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL historically one of the best. I believe, first and

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<v Speaker 1>forced fumbles for Washington, second in sacks.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome in, Charles, man, Charles, how you doing, sir?

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<v Speaker 7>It is good to be with you. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 7>remembering the old days.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's not too old man, brother, and you looking

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<v Speaker 1>the savings. I'm seeing us right next to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>You look a little younger to me, honestly so so

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<v Speaker 1>Tom has treated you up.

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<v Speaker 7>Your time has been good to me. I like the gym,

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<v Speaker 7>so I'm still over at the gym. I'm only in

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<v Speaker 7>there for an hour, and I don't do a whole

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<v Speaker 7>bunch of stuff, and I ain't got my phone looking

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<v Speaker 7>at my physique and all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, little work and get.

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<v Speaker 1>Out agent gracefully is not easy then, but you are

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<v Speaker 1>doing a great job of that, Charles. We like to

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<v Speaker 1>do our next man up is talk about everything that

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<v Speaker 1>comes in that has to do with these players, not

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily so much on the field stuff, but really who

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<v Speaker 1>that player is behind the helmet.

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<v Speaker 5>So I want to start from jump.

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<v Speaker 1>You were a third round pick by Washington when you

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<v Speaker 1>came here out of Nevada. When you came here, what

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<v Speaker 1>did you know about the DNV and this team? Did

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<v Speaker 1>you know much about it when you got drafted.

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<v Speaker 2>I hated them. I knew that.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I'm from Sacramento, man, so I was liking everything.

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<v Speaker 6>La, La Rams, LA Dodgers, LA Lakers.

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<v Speaker 7>So when I came here, I had to learn to

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<v Speaker 7>like John Riggins and Joke Eisman. It didn't take but

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<v Speaker 7>a second as soon as I landed and it got

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<v Speaker 7>to know the guys and was in the locker room

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<v Speaker 7>with Art Monk, and you know, just it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was neat to.

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<v Speaker 7>Finally have my own likes because you know, as a

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<v Speaker 7>kid growing up, you like everything your parents liked or

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<v Speaker 7>your dad liked. So my dad was a big Laker,

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<v Speaker 7>an LA fan, so I was a big LA fan.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I like everybody on the In.

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<v Speaker 7>Fact, it was kind of funny because I got my

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<v Speaker 7>first NFL safety against the quarterback and I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 7>I'm drawing a blank on his name, the quarterback for

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<v Speaker 7>the Rams, and I did it against Jackie Slater, an

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<v Speaker 7>All Pro twenty year NFL veteran, I made an inside

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<v Speaker 7>move on him and got a sack on Vince Ferragamo.

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<v Speaker 7>Vince Ferragamo was the quarterback, and that was that was

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<v Speaker 7>pretty cool. So I quickly became a Redskin fan. And

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<v Speaker 7>you'll hear, you know, there's probably a couple of tapes

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<v Speaker 7>out there with me saying, when you sign on to

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<v Speaker 7>be a Redskin, that's who I was at the time.

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<v Speaker 7>You sign on to be a Redskin, you sign on

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<v Speaker 7>to hate Dallas. And of course I immediately hate hated Dallas.

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<v Speaker 1>So I got to ask that you brought it up,

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<v Speaker 1>NFC East Riblesman, who do you hate more? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>the Cowboys? Is that the Eagles? At the Giants? Who

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<v Speaker 1>gets that number one hated most ranking in your mind?

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Dallas, because there's a there's a Dallas fan in

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<v Speaker 7>every crowd. Man, wherever you go, you know, they'll raise

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<v Speaker 7>your ugly head there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>They they always act out and they don't have nothing

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<v Speaker 7>to talk about it these days, but they always find

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<v Speaker 7>something to open their mouth about.

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<v Speaker 8>And I have friends that are Dallas fans, which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 8>It's like we all have friends that are Dallas fans.

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<v Speaker 8>Like you said, every room seems to have one Dallas fan.

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<v Speaker 8>And you talk about coming in you learn about, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>the passion and love for this team, but you also

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<v Speaker 8>learn about the rivalries.

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<v Speaker 5>When you think about that rookie.

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<v Speaker 1>Season, when you come in, you come into a team

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<v Speaker 1>that's already build, that's pretty much established. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember from that rookie and what did you learn? What

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<v Speaker 1>are things that stand out?

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<v Speaker 2>I remember everything, bro, everything.

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<v Speaker 7>So the first thing is I walk into the locker

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<v Speaker 7>room and guys are smoking cigarettes.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh there's there's.

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<v Speaker 7>Little there's little vials and little paper wrappings of some

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<v Speaker 7>kind of peels on the ground.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay, what is going on in here?

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<v Speaker 6>You know?

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<v Speaker 7>Uh my my rookie year, Tony Peters was handcuffed and

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<v Speaker 7>walked out. Yeah yeah, Tony. I'm like, okay, welcome to

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<v Speaker 7>the NFL. Welcome we were. And then we were just

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<v Speaker 7>getting through the whole you know, substance substances being taken

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<v Speaker 7>and them starting to start starting to do urine testing

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<v Speaker 7>and all that kind of stuff. FU funny, they had

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<v Speaker 7>random drug testing and I could have flore that maybe

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<v Speaker 7>fifteen out of the sixteen weeks I was drug tested.

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<v Speaker 7>So they picked the young guys that weren't going to

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<v Speaker 7>be having anything, and I was the one getting tested

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<v Speaker 7>it fuf of your random but I always got tested.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, well they goodest man.

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<v Speaker 1>You are all poy and acting right, and you did

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<v Speaker 1>this nothing man, because what a career.

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<v Speaker 5>It was for you to come into Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I want to talk about Dexter Manny a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit because the combo of you two. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if we've seen a combo like that since, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>the best pass rusher duo I think the NFL has

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you feel that way?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I'm a little biased, but yes, me too. That's

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<v Speaker 7>the first of all I walk in. Let me just

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<v Speaker 7>take my day one day one. This is after draft

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<v Speaker 7>April whatever, it was, right after the draft that day

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<v Speaker 7>when they called my name on ESPN, first time I

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<v Speaker 7>had heard that. And within hours I'm on a plane

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<v Speaker 7>in first class heading to Dalla, I mean heading to Dallas,

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<v Speaker 7>listen to that Freudian slip, heading to Washington. And I

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<v Speaker 7>walk into the locker room. First of all, I see

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<v Speaker 7>in the facility and I'm like, what is this? My

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<v Speaker 7>high school was bigger than this. Anyway, I said, Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not going to pay attention to that. So I

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<v Speaker 7>walk into the facility and the first person I see

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<v Speaker 7>coming out of the weight room was Jojacoby. I'm six ' six.

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<v Speaker 7>Jojacoby is six to seven. I was at the time

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<v Speaker 7>as a rookie. I was two hundred and thirty pounds.

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<v Speaker 7>Jojacoby was three hundred and thirty pounds. So I walked

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<v Speaker 7>past him in the hallway. It couldn't get past him.

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<v Speaker 7>I had to go sideways to get around him. And

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<v Speaker 7>the next person I see is Dexter Manley's He's swoll up.

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<v Speaker 2>He just bitching four hundred.

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<v Speaker 7>And fifty pounds and doing all that he was doing,

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<v Speaker 7>sweating profusely like he always does, and this big scar

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<v Speaker 7>on his face. I mean, I'm like, big black, greasy brother.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm like, oh shoot, this is I'm not gonna then.

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<v Speaker 7>And then the guy that was walking me through there

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<v Speaker 7>was Jay Burnetti, the equipment guy, said he said, you'll

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<v Speaker 7>be going to begainst this guy that was Jo Jacobe

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<v Speaker 7>every week in practice. And then when Dexter walked by,

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<v Speaker 7>he said, and that's who you're backing up. You'll never

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<v Speaker 7>see the light of day. I said, oh, okay, thanks

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<v Speaker 7>ladies for trusting me, you know, believing in me. That

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<v Speaker 7>was my first experience. So it was so Dexter was

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<v Speaker 7>not going to let me. He wasn't going to give

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<v Speaker 7>me anything. He wasn't going to let me know what

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<v Speaker 7>he did. But I just watched him. I watched him

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<v Speaker 7>every day in practice. I watched him in the gym.

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<v Speaker 7>I watched him the way he worked out, and I

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<v Speaker 7>was behind him, and I knew.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't want to let me get in the lineup.

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<v Speaker 7>But as I start building his confidence in me, and

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<v Speaker 7>I start building confidence that year, he would say, hey,

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<v Speaker 7>look if I throw my hand up, you run out

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<v Speaker 7>on the field. Don't look at the coaches. You run

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<v Speaker 7>out on the field and spare and spelled me. I said, okay,

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<v Speaker 7>And so I remember the first time I did that.

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<v Speaker 7>It was we were in a game. It was burning

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<v Speaker 7>up hot, and Dexter went about two or three plays

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<v Speaker 7>and threw his hand up and I come running on

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<v Speaker 7>the field, and the coaches yelled at me, screened, get

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<v Speaker 7>back here.

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<v Speaker 5>What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>And I just kept on running.

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<v Speaker 7>I ran out there and I spelled Dexter, and and

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<v Speaker 7>over the time I started learning how he did things.

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<v Speaker 2>Watched his step. Watched how he got in his stance.

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<v Speaker 7>His stance was this jet technique and it was his

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<v Speaker 7>butt was high in.

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<v Speaker 6>The air as his hand without far and it was

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<v Speaker 6>like a hurdler's run, you know, getting ready.

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<v Speaker 7>And I started mimicking everything he did. And eventually the

0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.800
<v Speaker 7>second year they moved me to the other side. And

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<v Speaker 7>now it's his competition and that's what it That's what

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<v Speaker 7>it was.

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<v Speaker 2>A game on Charles.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to be tough as a rookie, right because

0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.280
<v Speaker 1>you're coming into this team and you have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>what to expect. But you do know that Dexter Manley's

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<v Speaker 1>in that locker room. So as a working before you

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<v Speaker 1>got a chance to meet him, were you did you

0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.280
<v Speaker 1>have any expectations of him mentoring you or him welcoming

0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:10.119
<v Speaker 1>you in and teaching you all of these things? Like

0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:12.119
<v Speaker 1>was that kind of tough to deal with when that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the reality when you finally met him.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't the reality, You're right?

0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:16.680
<v Speaker 5>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>And and it was it wasn't tough to deal with.

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<v Speaker 7>I realized this dog eat dog, you know it was

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<v Speaker 7>going to be. I mean, he was the he was

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<v Speaker 7>the stuff he was. He wasn't Dexter Manley, he was

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<v Speaker 7>mister D. So that's when he had the mohawk, and

0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:35.199
<v Speaker 7>he was this whole alter eagle. He was mister D.

0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.320
<v Speaker 7>So you didn't call him Dexter. You call him mister D.

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<v Speaker 7>And uh he was. He was a bad dude, and

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<v Speaker 7>so I was just trying to be anything close to him.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I would have it. And then so they

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<v Speaker 2>did everything with me.

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<v Speaker 7>So I was the I was the release man on

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<v Speaker 7>punt returns because the year before, Dexter was the release

0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.120
<v Speaker 7>man on pump returns. That means I ran down there,

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<v Speaker 7>took on these dif defensive backs, tossed them out of

0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:05.720
<v Speaker 7>the way, and then tried to turn the punt returner

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<v Speaker 7>into the rest of the group.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I wasn't ever making.

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<v Speaker 7>The tackle because I was running too fast to slow down.

0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.120
<v Speaker 7>And you know, all you have to do is give

0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.280
<v Speaker 7>me a little hint, and I was running right past you.

0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:18.640
<v Speaker 7>So but my job was.

0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:20.800
<v Speaker 2>To turn to play in and I did that.

0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.480
<v Speaker 7>But they had me do everything they had Dexter do

0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:24.800
<v Speaker 7>the years before.

0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:27.560
<v Speaker 2>Now it was my turn to do it because Dexter

0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:28.080
<v Speaker 2>did it.

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<v Speaker 1>In your opinion, what changed your guy's relationship because you said. Eventually,

0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:34.600
<v Speaker 1>as a season kept going, he started letting you know, like, hey,

0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:36.119
<v Speaker 1>you're the one I want you to come in. What

0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.920
<v Speaker 1>do you think changed from him and his perspective that

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<v Speaker 1>made him say, okay, yes, this is my competition. However,

0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I know hoping this kid along will bring success to

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<v Speaker 1>this team.

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<v Speaker 7>I think he started respecting me as a player. See Dexter.

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<v Speaker 7>When you talk to Dexter, and I'm sure you have

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<v Speaker 7>or if you haven't yet, Dexter said they paid him

0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:58.359
<v Speaker 7>to make sacks. That was what he was paid for.

0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:00.960
<v Speaker 7>And I came in and I'm like, well, I don't

0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:03.480
<v Speaker 7>think in my contract they were paying me to make sacks.

0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:05.520
<v Speaker 7>They were paying me to be a defensive end. So

0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.560
<v Speaker 7>I got to play to run and the pass, and

0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:12.320
<v Speaker 7>so I prided myself on being able to take on

0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.640
<v Speaker 7>the double teams, the tight end and the tackle, being

0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:20.879
<v Speaker 7>able to keep contained that means outside leverage, not letting

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<v Speaker 7>the play get outside of me, and then also rushing

0:22:25.600 --> 0:22:28.720
<v Speaker 7>the passer and being right there. You look at all

0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:32.199
<v Speaker 7>the sacks that I made over my career, Dexter is

0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:36.040
<v Speaker 7>always in the foreground getting it done to him, making

0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:38.200
<v Speaker 7>the sack and vice versa.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was getting.

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<v Speaker 7>When he was getting the sack, I was getting a

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<v Speaker 7>double teamed or whatever has happened to me.

0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:46.399
<v Speaker 2>So it was kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 7>We started being very competitive, and in that third year,

0:22:50.440 --> 0:22:53.399
<v Speaker 7>he had fourteen and a half sacks. I had fourteen,

0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:57.040
<v Speaker 7>and we were the top sacking defensive end tandem in

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<v Speaker 7>the league.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody took pride to that.

0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:03.320
<v Speaker 6>And I remember the day he ended up winning the

0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:06.560
<v Speaker 6>sack lead that that we were playing the Eagles as

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.600
<v Speaker 6>a matter of fact, in Philly, and uh.

0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:11.480
<v Speaker 7>And I needed a half. He was a half a

0:23:11.520 --> 0:23:15.080
<v Speaker 7>sack on me and I could not get that that sack.

0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:16.960
<v Speaker 7>I was trying to jump on the pile.

0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:20.560
<v Speaker 2>I was doing everything I could do just to beat him.

0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:23.840
<v Speaker 6>And I remember on the plane on the way back

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<v Speaker 6>he was he was, he sat behind me and he

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<v Speaker 6>was going at it.

0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:33.159
<v Speaker 2>Charles, I got the sack lead. You can't catch me.

0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:34.200
<v Speaker 2>It's over.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I'm going to wherever he was going going

0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:39.440
<v Speaker 7>out to the club that night, because he was so excited,

0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:41.760
<v Speaker 7>and I was sitting there like, hey, you know, at

0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:43.320
<v Speaker 7>least he's recognizing me.

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<v Speaker 6>He knows that I was a threat, you know, And

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<v Speaker 6>that was all that I did. I wasn't trying to

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<v Speaker 6>beat him. I was trying to get to the playoffs.

0:23:49.960 --> 0:23:51.520
<v Speaker 6>I was trying to win championships.

0:23:51.560 --> 0:23:54.800
<v Speaker 7>And a part of it came how good he and

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:58.280
<v Speaker 7>I were. The coach always said we have to get

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<v Speaker 7>pressure without running a blitz, and Dexter and I took

0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:06.399
<v Speaker 7>pride in that we got pressure. Even when we didn't

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:08.080
<v Speaker 7>send a whole bunch of guys.

0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 2>We got pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's funny to hear you talk about how you

0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:14.560
<v Speaker 1>guys go from. You go from this person where he

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:16.119
<v Speaker 1>ain't given the time of day two because hey, you

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>ain't never going to see the field behind me. Then

0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:19.880
<v Speaker 1>you come to a guy that is starting to earn

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<v Speaker 1>his respect. Then you get onto the other side of

0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:23.919
<v Speaker 1>the field where you guys get to play together. And

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<v Speaker 1>again it sounds like iron with shoppering iron there. Y'all

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:28.919
<v Speaker 1>were very very competitive man. When you think about those

0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:30.760
<v Speaker 1>times getting to play with him and being, you know,

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:33.879
<v Speaker 1>like I said, the most dominant past rusher duo that

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've ever seen. When you think of those moments,

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<v Speaker 1>what stands up to you most of playing with Dexter

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.239
<v Speaker 1>and y'all's relationship and like, what are some of those

0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 1>stories you can give us in those memories you have

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 1>where y'all two were just locked in together and getting.

0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:46.520
<v Speaker 5>It done well.

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<v Speaker 7>First of all, the brother didn't like the heat. So

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<v Speaker 7>I remember we're going out. We were in Arizona getting

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<v Speaker 7>ready to play the Cardinals, and the brother was saying.

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.240
<v Speaker 2>It ain't hot out here. It ain't hot out here

0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:01.600
<v Speaker 2>that minute high. I knew it was hot because I

0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 2>was in there too. It was hot.

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:06.600
<v Speaker 7>And he kept saying that in the warm up, said everything,

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:10.920
<v Speaker 7>he's sweating profusely. And then within about two or three plays,

0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:13.359
<v Speaker 7>that brother went down with an injury and he was

0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:15.399
<v Speaker 7>sitting over on the sideline with a towel on it

0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:17.720
<v Speaker 7>with water and it wasn't hot.

0:25:17.760 --> 0:25:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Then his brother shut it down.

0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 7>So Dexter was very very emotional and uh, and he

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 7>always wore his his.

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:31.199
<v Speaker 2>His how he felt on his sleeve.

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:35.959
<v Speaker 7>I remember we were also playing a team and Dexter

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:40.760
<v Speaker 7>was was having words. Dexter was talking about the offensive

0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 7>tackle he was going to go up against, and I

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 7>knew better. I felt like, look, I'm not trying to

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.879
<v Speaker 7>get these guys any ammunition, so I ain't saying nothing.

0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:49.920
<v Speaker 7>So they came up to me asking me stuff, and

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:52.880
<v Speaker 7>they and then after talking to Dexter, and Dexter said

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:55.239
<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna beat him up like this and that I'm

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 7>going to tear him up, and I wouldn't say, hey, look,

0:25:57.840 --> 0:25:59.680
<v Speaker 7>I'm just happy to play against the guy, the guys

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:00.320
<v Speaker 7>in all pro.

0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:03.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, I don't know how I'll do, And Dexter

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:05.960
<v Speaker 2>was just going off, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:09.639
<v Speaker 7>So of course in the locker room, the headings was

0:26:09.720 --> 0:26:13.040
<v Speaker 7>Dexter Manley says this and that. Man they jack, They

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:15.199
<v Speaker 7>were all over Dexter in that game. I had I

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 7>had a field day because they had him all himmed

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:19.480
<v Speaker 7>up and I was making plays.

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:23.320
<v Speaker 2>You know. So Dexter never did understand that.

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:25.880
<v Speaker 7>He always was going to talk his He's gonna say

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.239
<v Speaker 7>whatever he had to say, and I was always on

0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:30.280
<v Speaker 7>the other side saying, you know, I'm just.

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Happy to be here. You know, I don't know how

0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 2>good I'll be.

0:26:33.400 --> 0:26:36.160
<v Speaker 7>You know, I was setting them up all the time,

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 7>where Dexter was just talking the way he wanted to talk.

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:41.840
<v Speaker 3>Got that like beat him my own nice combo.

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 2>We were, We were a great combo.

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:47.879
<v Speaker 7>But you know, Dexter paid, he probably have had a

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.080
<v Speaker 7>few more sacks of being kept his mouth shut.

0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:53.680
<v Speaker 5>Well, then whatever you guys were doing out there, it worked.

0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 1>You yourself have seen multiple Super Bowls and have been

0:26:57.080 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 1>a part of some of the greatest teams we've ever

0:26:59.240 --> 0:26:59.960
<v Speaker 1>seen in the NFL.

0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 5>So when you think.

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 1>About your experience and the way you've been able to

0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:04.879
<v Speaker 1>win games with these teams, then you look at this

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:07.960
<v Speaker 1>current team right now, this current commander's team. Do you

0:27:08.000 --> 0:27:10.720
<v Speaker 1>see parallels there and things that make you say, you

0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 1>know what, this seems like a team that could go

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:14.200
<v Speaker 1>all the way as well.

0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:19.639
<v Speaker 6>I don't see the parallels other than look, I played

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:24.120
<v Speaker 6>with Joe thisman. We went back to back Super Bowls,

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 6>and the one I went to with them was in

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:31.119
<v Speaker 6>nineteen eighty three when we played against the who was

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:32.640
<v Speaker 6>that the San Diego.

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:37.679
<v Speaker 7>We Oh, I'm sorry, the Raiders. Of course, I know

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 7>that's the only loss we had. Anyway, we're playing the

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 7>Raiders in the Super Bowl. Joe Eisman was incredible. I

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:49.919
<v Speaker 7>watched him all year long just play his butt off

0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 7>as a quarterback. But then the second Super Bowl, the

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 7>strike shortened one with Doug Williams against the Denver Broncos.

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:02.840
<v Speaker 7>You know we saw Doug, you know, play his butt

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 7>off forty two points straight and then Mark Rippin against

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 7>the Buffalo Bills in Minnesota, the weirdest place to have

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:16.359
<v Speaker 7>a Super Bowl. I'm mentioning those quarterbacks for a reason.

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Jade and Daniels doesn't look anything like any of those

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 2>guys except Doug in that one game.

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:26.960
<v Speaker 7>Doug in the one game, looks like Jade and Daniels

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:27.920
<v Speaker 7>in every game.

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's crazy, that's true.

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 2>That's true. I can't even explain it.

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:36.119
<v Speaker 7>And I'm you know, I think I'm pretty well versed

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 7>at what I see, and I've been watching a lot

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 7>of football. I've analyzed a lot of football. I can't

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 7>explain this kid. He I can't explain him. He is

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 7>the hottest quarterback playing right now, and it's.

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 2>You can't factor that in. I don't know how to

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 2>factor that into the game.

0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 6>But as far as the rest of the team, there's

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 6>a belief, and that's what's so nice to watch.

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 2>There's a belief that we can get down because winning.

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 7>Is contagious, just like losing is contagious, and this team

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 7>can get down, but they never think they're out.

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 2>And that starts at the top. So that starts with

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Josh Harris, then it goes to Dan Quinn and his

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 2>coaching staff, and then those players in that locker room

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 2>know that they're all by themselves. The world is against them,

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 2>and that is a good thing.

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:36.000
<v Speaker 6>When the team starts believing that it's us against the world,

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 6>Oh my.

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:40.560
<v Speaker 2>God, you can do anything, you really can. And then

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 2>you've got a quarterback that it's not gonna throw an interception.

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 6>He's gonna make ninety nine percent of the right place

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:48.360
<v Speaker 6>every now and then he may have an.

0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 7>Off throw, but that's it. The off throw doesn't end

0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:52.480
<v Speaker 7>up being an interception.

0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 6>This, I mean, it is just man, I'm starting already

0:29:56.440 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 6>talking about Super Bowl and Buffalo Bills again, beating the cancer.

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe I'm going there.

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 7>I would never if you would interview me over the

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:07.959
<v Speaker 7>last thirty years I've been in town, if you had

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 7>interviewed me over these last thirty years.

0:30:10.360 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 2>My wife says, you need to.

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 7>Stop being so negative, and Pete, I said, I can't

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 7>help myself that I kind of tell the truth all

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 7>the time. Yeah, And so when people ask this, man,

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 7>I know they don't have a chance. No, they're not

0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 7>very good at No.

0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 2>And do you watch them? Oh, I watch them every week,

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<v Speaker 2>But do they have a chance. Oh, they don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a chance. And now I'm saying, man, this is for real.

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<v Speaker 1>It's for real, and that energy and that energy is

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<v Speaker 1>not just coming from the legends. It's not just coming

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<v Speaker 1>from the players, let us go from the coaching staff.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also a belief that's coming back from this fan base.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know better than anybody what this fan base

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<v Speaker 1>is like when this team is winning. When this team

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<v Speaker 1>is winning, suppers the way this fan base shows up.

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<v Speaker 1>And it feels as if when I talk to these

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<v Speaker 1>other legends that that's how this fan base is acting

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<v Speaker 1>right now. When you look at this fan base and

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<v Speaker 1>everything they've been through. You've mentioned these last thirty years

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<v Speaker 1>because you've been here as well, been a fan as well.

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<v Speaker 1>How much does this team success mean, not only to

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<v Speaker 1>this fan base, for the entire DMV.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, it's it's incredible. Let me just say, I can walk.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm in Ashburn, I'm I'm in you know, Loudon County. Man,

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<v Speaker 7>the minute I get into the DC.

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<v Speaker 6>Marketplace, even today, at sixty three years young, having had

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<v Speaker 6>not played in thirty three years or so on this team,

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<v Speaker 6>I walk into d C, I drive in my car.

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<v Speaker 2>I can be walking down the street. People stop me.

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<v Speaker 9>Even to this day, I don't look anything like I

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<v Speaker 9>used to have a high top fade, you know, and

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<v Speaker 9>I was pretty big, you know, and I look not

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<v Speaker 9>like that, and these people will spot me a mile away,

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<v Speaker 9>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's so that is you know. Do I

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<v Speaker 2>ever get tired of that?

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<v Speaker 5>Is that?

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<v Speaker 7>No, that's respect, that's remembering, and and I love that.

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<v Speaker 7>Look they would we win a game in Dallas after

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<v Speaker 7>marching onto the marching off the off the plane on

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<v Speaker 7>the tarmac, marching in fatigues to our bus, marching into Dallas,

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<v Speaker 7>beating Dallas. We come back that night and it's one

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<v Speaker 7>or two in the morning, and they were at Redskin

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<v Speaker 7>Park waiting. Fans were at Redsland Park waiting for us.

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<v Speaker 6>We beat We went another super Bowl, one of the

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<v Speaker 6>many Super Bowls, and they're tearing down Georgetown. They're climbing

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<v Speaker 6>up light poles and acting a fool.

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<v Speaker 7>And I mean it's just that stuff. You don't miss that.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, you welcome that, you love that. That's the

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<v Speaker 7>pride this town. When when we won Congress and and

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<v Speaker 7>you know, the Republicans and Democrats got alone, you know, oh,

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<v Speaker 7>and they may fight the rest of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>But that brought people together.

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<v Speaker 7>It was it was fantastic knowing that our winning meant

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<v Speaker 7>that much to the to the fan base.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no better place to be than the DMV, especially

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<v Speaker 1>when Washington is successful. Man and so and closing, because

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<v Speaker 1>we're running out of time here, Charles Man, I really

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed talking to you.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll have to have you on next week. We'll prepare

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<v Speaker 3>for the super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>But we look at the Philadelphia Eagles first NFC championship

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<v Speaker 1>game since nineteen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 3>How important was out there to get that win?

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<v Speaker 1>How special will it be to get that win over

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<v Speaker 1>the Philadelphia Eagles knowing all of the history we have

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<v Speaker 1>with that team.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, first of all, you know, Jalen Hurts is a

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<v Speaker 6>solid quarterback, much respect obviously. The running back is just

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<v Speaker 6>the you know, he's special. He is special, and so

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<v Speaker 6>it's going to take a lot to overcome that.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, we're playing with house money.

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<v Speaker 7>And when you're playing with house money, don't nobody think

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<v Speaker 7>you can win.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't nobody think you got.

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<v Speaker 7>This or the man in their backyard with their nasty fans,

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<v Speaker 7>their fans are the worst.

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<v Speaker 2>In the league, no question, no question.

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<v Speaker 7>To beat them in their own house. We're gonna go nuts.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna go nuts, and I ain't even there. I

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<v Speaker 7>wanna go nuts. I can make sure I'd let the

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<v Speaker 7>community know that if we win, there might be some

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<v Speaker 7>ruckets going on over at demand household, because I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 7>be fired.

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<v Speaker 5>Up, Jonathan's just be you. It's not gonna just be you,

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<v Speaker 5>fired them.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the entire area will be they Honestly, you

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<v Speaker 1>might be calling a complace because the fans might be

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<v Speaker 1>a little louder you Okay.

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<v Speaker 7>All right, Well this is this is exciting, Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited to talk about it. Thank you for having

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<v Speaker 2>me on.

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<v Speaker 7>This is a special time and I looked forward to

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<v Speaker 7>this moment. I'm gonna have to find a way to

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<v Speaker 7>the super Bowl. If we get in, I'm there. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>there when we get in.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot wait to see you there, Charles, because I

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<v Speaker 1>will be there too, bab We gotta get you.

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<v Speaker 5>To come in the studio next time. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>We got a lot more to chop it up about,

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<v Speaker 1>but Charles, thank you so much for taking the time, man,

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<v Speaker 1>and just remember, we do not get here as an

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<v Speaker 1>organization without the things that you and the other legends

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<v Speaker 1>did to pay the way that never changes. The name

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<v Speaker 1>might change, but what y'all did on that field never changes.

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<v Speaker 1>So Charles, thank you so much and thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>bringing some of that Super Bowl energy here.

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<v Speaker 5>The Next Man Up. I appreciate you. Brother.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Brother, yes, sir, command this family, our Next

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<v Speaker 1>Man Up. One of the greatest to ever do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Man Command this family. We hope you enjoyed this

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<v Speaker 1>extra special playoff edition of Next Man Up.

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