Speaker 1: Another special playoff episode of Next Man Up. Our safety
Speaker 1: Kwan Martin had a huge game out on Detroit.
Speaker 2: We talk all.
Speaker 1: About that and look forward to the Philadelphia Eagles. That's right, baby,
Speaker 1: we are in the NFC Championship. Then we have to
Speaker 1: have another Super Bowl champion.
Speaker 3: Pull up.
Speaker 1: Charles Man, one of the best defensive ends to ever
Speaker 1: play the game, pulls up and talks about why winning
Speaker 1: it's so important for this fan base.
Speaker 3: All that more right now on Next Man Up, command
Speaker 3: this family.
Speaker 1: For our Next Man Up, we had to bring on
Speaker 1: the player of the game from Mount in Detroit, had
Speaker 1: an incredible pick six. We want to talk about all
Speaker 1: that welcoming in our safety kwaldm Martin.
Speaker 4: Brother was going on, Man, appreciate you for having me.
Speaker 1: Man, I appreciate you taking the time to see with us.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm say, You're getting picked six is
Speaker 1: on a big stage and all that.
Speaker 5: Man, You're doing big things.
Speaker 3: Brother, Man, how great has this season been for you?
Speaker 5: Just overall?
Speaker 4: Man, it's been special, just from OTAs to to camp
Speaker 4: and you know everything that you know, we've really been
Speaker 4: through and uh, just a preparation, man, everything that went
Speaker 4: into it. Just new staff, new players, like building and
Speaker 4: bonding with those guys and it's just been fun.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: And you use the word special. A lot of people
Speaker 3: have used that word special.
Speaker 1: What you know, you mentioned all those things, but what
Speaker 1: about it if you could hone in on something that
Speaker 1: has made this season so special for Qualm Martin, For.
Speaker 4: Me, man, just the guys around me, uh, Jeremy Chan
Speaker 4: Bobby Wagner, Mikey Sanders still like all those dudes, man,
Speaker 4: Just just being able to have a group of guys
Speaker 4: that you know you can depend on and you know
Speaker 4: that's going to depend on you. So just being able
Speaker 4: to show up for them dudes every day. And she
Speaker 4: was really the whole team, man. Just everybody's just been
Speaker 4: so hands on. And you know, talk about brotherhood all
Speaker 4: the time, but it ain't cliche man, like it shows
Speaker 4: like on the field. Off the field, just the bonds
Speaker 4: is strong.
Speaker 1: Man, y'all got that real brotherhood. And you mentioned Bobby
Speaker 1: Wagner and that's a real leader right there.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: I mean both of us we grew up watching Bobby Wagner. No,
Speaker 1: we know what he's able to do.
Speaker 5: Feld.
Speaker 1: What has he been like as a mentor and the
Speaker 1: leader to not only you but this entire defense.
Speaker 4: Man, he's been a lot, just that leadership. Just coming
Speaker 4: in here. Man, he like, you know, a coach on
Speaker 4: the field, So just being able to learn from him, man,
Speaker 4: just whatever, just takes stuff from him, and he's a
Speaker 4: great piece on that defense.
Speaker 1: You mentioned that coach on the field, but you also
Speaker 1: have a dog upstairs, that defensive coordinator, Joe with j
Speaker 1: Man watching everything you guys do, making those adjustments. Man,
Speaker 1: what has it been like, because this is the first
Speaker 1: time being a coordinator, what's it been like learning of
Speaker 1: the Joe with Junior and what.
Speaker 5: Makes him so special?
Speaker 4: Man, it's been fun, you know, just the way he
Speaker 4: schemed things up, the way he put us in position
Speaker 4: to be successful and make players. Man Like, it's been fun.
Speaker 4: And I don't think I ever had this much fun
Speaker 4: playing football.
Speaker 5: So what makes it so much fun? Though? Man?
Speaker 1: Because again we've had people sitting at the same chance
Speaker 1: say I've never had this much fun or this.
Speaker 5: Is the most fun I've had since college?
Speaker 1: What about it is so much fun and just working
Speaker 1: right because you've seen the NFL for a few years now.
Speaker 5: What makes this so much fun? Man?
Speaker 4: It's just guys out there who just loved a game
Speaker 4: of football. Man, Who's gonna go out and do anything
Speaker 4: to win? So you know when you got guys like that, man,
Speaker 4: it's hard not to have fun and just fly around
Speaker 4: and make plays. Man, And you know we all just
Speaker 4: celebrate each other.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: You talk about making plays, brother, he made a huge play.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Troy got that big pig six.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: In that moment you catch that ball, you start taking off,
Speaker 1: you start seeing that. When did you know you was
Speaker 1: gonna take it all the way to the crib?
Speaker 6: Nah?
Speaker 4: It wasn't even as soon as I caught it. It
Speaker 4: was after I made the second dude miss. Once I
Speaker 4: made the second dude miss, I looked up. I just
Speaker 4: seen a line of like white jerseys just blocking for me,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I don't know if you've seen
Speaker 4: the video, but I like put the ball out like
Speaker 4: four yards out, and I just seen the end zone,
Speaker 4: just the blue before I even got in there. I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's touchdown. So it felt good, man, Like my first
Speaker 4: career pick six and now just scoring a touchdown, man,
Speaker 4: And any game just feels good.
Speaker 5: How many times if you watched that highlight?
Speaker 4: I probably watched it I've been I've been trying to
Speaker 4: stop watching it. Yeah, I probably ain't watched it since. Nah,
Speaker 4: I'll watched it today.
Speaker 3: Hey, nothing wrong with that, man, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, it's been fun.
Speaker 4: Just you know, you got a lot of people sitting
Speaker 4: there to you, and so it's hard not to see it.
Speaker 1: I think my favorite part of that pick six was
Speaker 1: louisvu that block at the exuse I don't even know
Speaker 1: what's necessary to do, but boy, look, good man, what
Speaker 1: did you say to lou when you saw that.
Speaker 4: We appreciate you from making sure I got in there. Man,
Speaker 4: I mean, you never know how to go to man,
Speaker 4: he might dive and trip me up, you.
Speaker 5: Know, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So just like that's what we talk about, man, like
Speaker 4: doing it for the guy next to you, Like it's
Speaker 4: he didn't have to make that block, but he did,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So gave me an opportunity
Speaker 4: to score.
Speaker 1: And that's been the coolest thing talking to you guys
Speaker 1: after these big plascause. Everybody say in the share that's
Speaker 1: had big plays talk about their favorite part of it
Speaker 1: is after the fact, after you make the play, because
Speaker 1: of the reception you're getting on the sideline because.
Speaker 5: Of the love.
Speaker 1: Man, what was that love like after you got that
Speaker 1: pick six? You even remember or was it just like white?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like white noise, man, Like I kind
Speaker 4: of blacked out. I did, Like, like the first thing
Speaker 4: I really heard was like the crowd just goes silent,
Speaker 4: and I can hear like our fans, like you know,
Speaker 4: they in the other area, Like I can hear them
Speaker 4: screaming from afar And I'm like, man, it was just crazy,
Speaker 4: like just complete blank in the crowd like it was.
Speaker 4: It was just crazy to see and I just you know,
Speaker 4: my teammates they came out, they celebrated me, man, and
Speaker 4: it was fun honestly.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned those fans, man, how great is it
Speaker 1: being so I think last time we spoke was in Arizona,
Speaker 1: and even out there they were they were in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: We've seen our fans travel everywhere and even Introit. You
Speaker 1: can tell they didn't want us there. We were still
Speaker 1: there and we were still loud.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: How cool is that being a player knowing that you
Speaker 1: have a fan base behind you like that?
Speaker 4: Oh man, It's it's been cool since you know, we've
Speaker 4: been able to see it, and uh, you know, just
Speaker 4: giving the fans some the cheer for it, really and
Speaker 4: just bring these these wins and continueing to, you know,
Speaker 4: just make the city happy, make the fans happy, and
Speaker 4: just putting ourselves in position to have that report from
Speaker 4: our fans. So it's been great all year.
Speaker 1: And it's great when you see these teams winning games,
Speaker 1: you see us doing these things. But it's one thing
Speaker 1: to beat the Eagles, we already beat them once, but
Speaker 1: to beat them in the NFC Championship. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you notice, but we have not been to the
Speaker 1: NFCY Championship game since nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he wasn't yet.
Speaker 1: I wasn't yet, So that's crazy, man. But Philly, that's
Speaker 1: something you are very, very familiar with. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like that gives you guys an advantage knowing that you
Speaker 1: guys have seen this team not only twice but also
Speaker 1: beat them before as well?
Speaker 5: It does.
Speaker 4: But Coach Witt actually said some of the meeting today
Speaker 4: and it kind of just stuck with me. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: like we played them, we beat him, blah blah blah,
Speaker 4: but we haven't played them in an NFC championship game.
Speaker 4: So just treating this game, like, you know, this is
Speaker 4: our first time playing, truthfully.
Speaker 1: What's the preparation been like, like, you know, I know
Speaker 1: it's still a game, but this is playoffs, is NFC Championship.
Speaker 1: How has preparation increased or amped up during this playoff run?
Speaker 5: You guys right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Man, just gods trying to you know, whatever kind of
Speaker 4: preparation it is, like taking care of your body, rehab treatment,
Speaker 4: working out, like just getting stronger, and you know, just
Speaker 4: studying honestly and just being able to look at the details.
Speaker 4: Like like you said, we played them twice already, so
Speaker 4: Red just trying to find more, you know, just digesting
Speaker 4: their offense, defense, whatever it may be, but just trying
Speaker 4: to find more and just saying some things you can
Speaker 4: learn from.
Speaker 1: When dan Quinn talks to you guys during this time
Speaker 1: because him, but I'll be waggoning Jo, would you all
Speaker 1: of them have seen success in the playoffs. What has
Speaker 1: dan Quinn's been messaging not only to the team but
Speaker 1: to the defense.
Speaker 5: As a whole. Just stay in the moment.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a lot of outside nos of this, Dad,
Speaker 4: whatever will come after, but just staying in a moment
Speaker 4: and just staying with our preparation and just taking it
Speaker 4: one week at a time.
Speaker 1: Someone who definitely seems to always stay in a moment
Speaker 1: is Jady Daniels.
Speaker 5: We were talking to Jonathan Allen off air.
Speaker 1: He was like, man, our defense just knows whenever win
Speaker 1: in the pinch, just get Jadon Daniels to the ball
Speaker 1: backuse that kind of the conversation you guys have.
Speaker 4: Man, we always talk about getting those takeaways, three plus
Speaker 4: takeaways a week, and just I mean, he's a bad
Speaker 4: man with the ball in his end. So whenever you
Speaker 4: can give him opportunities, actual opportunities at the ball with
Speaker 4: the ball in his hands, like he's special and he's
Speaker 4: gonna make play.
Speaker 5: And it's somebody that is in the secondary.
Speaker 1: You have to scout quarterbacks all the time, you have
Speaker 1: to play up and gets some of the best quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: especially this season. What does make Jade and Daniel so
Speaker 1: special in your opinion?
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, obviously, like we've been around to
Speaker 4: OTAs man, but I mean just his confidence, his poise,
Speaker 4: and I think that's what everybody talk about, you know,
Speaker 4: how he's just so calm. I knows big moments, but
Speaker 4: you know, you don't always see that from a guy
Speaker 4: that young. So just man, he's just a great player.
Speaker 5: Honestly, you talk.
Speaker 1: About calm and poise being young, you're young, yea true
Speaker 1: calm you are poised?
Speaker 5: Man? What kind of player is kwalm Mark?
Speaker 1: Because I know every time we talk You've mentioned to
Speaker 1: me before this you're not necessarily sure players really know
Speaker 1: who you are yet the fans really know who you are.
Speaker 5: Have you have to show who you are?
Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, as a season one man,
Speaker 4: I just you know, steadily uh getting better and better.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: So I think this last game and that that picked six, man,
Speaker 4: that's just the opportunity for me to really just like
Speaker 4: you know, show everybody like this is what I'm capable of,
Speaker 4: and just being able to build off that, man that
Speaker 4: you know, come with extreme confidence.
Speaker 5: I mean, how do you build off with momentum? Right that? Right?
Speaker 1: Like, yes, it was only your first pick six, but
Speaker 1: you have just had incredible game after incredible games, incredible game.
Speaker 1: How do you continue to build off of that? Is
Speaker 1: that just something that's here or is it something you're
Speaker 1: doing in this facility that's helping us all the above?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean every game is always perfect, so you know,
Speaker 4: It's always stuff to learn from and little details to
Speaker 4: pick up on.
Speaker 5: Like when you watching the.
Speaker 4: Film, Uh, you might feel one way out there, but
Speaker 4: when you look at the tape, it's like, dang, I
Speaker 4: could have did this better, or like my eyes could
Speaker 4: have been better in this situation. And you know that
Speaker 4: just really prepares you for the next game and the
Speaker 4: next game. So I think just always constantly just you know,
Speaker 4: not getting complacent, man, Just finding the low details and
Speaker 4: just something to learn from is always like, you know,
Speaker 4: gonna keep me going here, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And so when you prepare for a god like Hurts, right,
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts Batman, just like Jade and Daniels when you're
Speaker 1: preparing for them, when you're looking for those little things
Speaker 1: that stand out to you, what are some of those
Speaker 1: things that stand out to you that make you feel,
Speaker 1: you know, what we can find success against a high powered.
Speaker 5: Offense like this.
Speaker 4: I think just knowing where God's going to bet on
Speaker 4: the field, you know. I think a lot of formations
Speaker 4: will tell you a picture. I mean it will tell
Speaker 4: you a story, and h teams kind of get to
Speaker 4: it in different ways. But you know, when you really
Speaker 4: look at it and lock in and you know, just
Speaker 4: you able to see the story that the picture is telling.
Speaker 4: I think that comes with confidence and just allows you
Speaker 4: to go out and make play.
Speaker 5: With kwal Man.
Speaker 1: We have nothing but confidence in your brother. We know
Speaker 1: you're gonna make plays. One more thing for me right there, man,
Speaker 1: that's your ISO cam. Talk to the Commanders fans because
Speaker 1: you know they're gonna pull up in Philly.
Speaker 5: You know they're gonna be there.
Speaker 1: Talk to them while they need to show up and
Speaker 1: show out. And how much they have meant to you
Speaker 1: guys this season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I mean the Commander fans have meant the
Speaker 4: whole lot to us this season. The support has been there,
Speaker 4: has been strong, and uh, just comrade this thing out
Speaker 4: and see y'all in Philly.
Speaker 1: See y'all in Philly. Commandeds fans, We know y'all are
Speaker 1: going to show up and show out. Kwan, appreciate you, brother,
Speaker 1: Amanda's family on next man up, the Big Man out
Speaker 1: and Detroit Baby Kwan, Marik Kwan, good luck this son.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Command this family.
Speaker 1: Since we're in the playoffs, we're going to keep the
Speaker 1: trend going of having Super Bowl champions and legends pull
Speaker 1: up to next man up, and this one is one
Speaker 1: of the best defensive linemen to ever play the game.
Speaker 1: Now this for the Berkeley and Gold, but for the
Speaker 1: NFL historically one of the best. I believe, first and
Speaker 1: forced fumbles for Washington, second in sacks.
Speaker 3: Welcome in, Charles, man, Charles, how you doing, sir?
Speaker 7: It is good to be with you. Thank you for
Speaker 7: remembering the old days.
Speaker 1: Well it's not too old man, brother, and you looking
Speaker 1: the savings. I'm seeing us right next to each other.
Speaker 1: You look a little younger to me, honestly so so
Speaker 1: Tom has treated you up.
Speaker 7: Your time has been good to me. I like the gym,
Speaker 7: so I'm still over at the gym. I'm only in
Speaker 7: there for an hour, and I don't do a whole
Speaker 7: bunch of stuff, and I ain't got my phone looking
Speaker 7: at my physique and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Well, little work and get.
Speaker 1: Out agent gracefully is not easy then, but you are
Speaker 1: doing a great job of that, Charles. We like to
Speaker 1: do our next man up is talk about everything that
Speaker 1: comes in that has to do with these players, not
Speaker 1: necessarily so much on the field stuff, but really who
Speaker 1: that player is behind the helmet.
Speaker 5: So I want to start from jump.
Speaker 1: You were a third round pick by Washington when you
Speaker 1: came here out of Nevada. When you came here, what
Speaker 1: did you know about the DNV and this team? Did
Speaker 1: you know much about it when you got drafted.
Speaker 2: I hated them. I knew that.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm from Sacramento, man, so I was liking everything.
Speaker 6: La, La Rams, LA Dodgers, LA Lakers.
Speaker 7: So when I came here, I had to learn to
Speaker 7: like John Riggins and Joke Eisman. It didn't take but
Speaker 7: a second as soon as I landed and it got
Speaker 7: to know the guys and was in the locker room
Speaker 7: with Art Monk, and you know, just it was.
Speaker 2: It was neat to.
Speaker 7: Finally have my own likes because you know, as a
Speaker 7: kid growing up, you like everything your parents liked or
Speaker 7: your dad liked. So my dad was a big Laker,
Speaker 7: an LA fan, so I was a big LA fan.
Speaker 2: You know, I like everybody on the In.
Speaker 7: Fact, it was kind of funny because I got my
Speaker 7: first NFL safety against the quarterback and I'm trying to
Speaker 7: I'm drawing a blank on his name, the quarterback for
Speaker 7: the Rams, and I did it against Jackie Slater, an
Speaker 7: All Pro twenty year NFL veteran, I made an inside
Speaker 7: move on him and got a sack on Vince Ferragamo.
Speaker 7: Vince Ferragamo was the quarterback, and that was that was
Speaker 7: pretty cool. So I quickly became a Redskin fan. And
Speaker 7: you'll hear, you know, there's probably a couple of tapes
Speaker 7: out there with me saying, when you sign on to
Speaker 7: be a Redskin, that's who I was at the time.
Speaker 7: You sign on to be a Redskin, you sign on
Speaker 7: to hate Dallas. And of course I immediately hate hated Dallas.
Speaker 1: So I got to ask that you brought it up,
Speaker 1: NFC East Riblesman, who do you hate more? Is it
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? Is that the Eagles? At the Giants? Who
Speaker 1: gets that number one hated most ranking in your mind?
Speaker 2: Dallas?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Dallas, because there's a there's a Dallas fan in
Speaker 7: every crowd. Man, wherever you go, you know, they'll raise
Speaker 7: your ugly head there.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: They they always act out and they don't have nothing
Speaker 7: to talk about it these days, but they always find
Speaker 7: something to open their mouth about.
Speaker 8: And I have friends that are Dallas fans, which is crazy.
Speaker 8: It's like we all have friends that are Dallas fans.
Speaker 8: Like you said, every room seems to have one Dallas fan.
Speaker 8: And you talk about coming in you learn about, you know,
Speaker 8: the passion and love for this team, but you also
Speaker 8: learn about the rivalries.
Speaker 5: When you think about that rookie.
Speaker 1: Season, when you come in, you come into a team
Speaker 1: that's already build, that's pretty much established. What do you
Speaker 1: remember from that rookie and what did you learn? What
Speaker 1: are things that stand out?
Speaker 2: I remember everything, bro, everything.
Speaker 7: So the first thing is I walk into the locker
Speaker 7: room and guys are smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 2: Uh there's there's.
Speaker 7: Little there's little vials and little paper wrappings of some
Speaker 7: kind of peels on the ground.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, what is going on in here?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 7: Uh my my rookie year, Tony Peters was handcuffed and
Speaker 7: walked out. Yeah yeah, Tony. I'm like, okay, welcome to
Speaker 7: the NFL. Welcome we were. And then we were just
Speaker 7: getting through the whole you know, substance substances being taken
Speaker 7: and them starting to start starting to do urine testing
Speaker 7: and all that kind of stuff. FU funny, they had
Speaker 7: random drug testing and I could have flore that maybe
Speaker 7: fifteen out of the sixteen weeks I was drug tested.
Speaker 7: So they picked the young guys that weren't going to
Speaker 7: be having anything, and I was the one getting tested
Speaker 7: it fuf of your random but I always got tested.
Speaker 5: Hey, well they goodest man.
Speaker 1: You are all poy and acting right, and you did
Speaker 1: this nothing man, because what a career.
Speaker 5: It was for you to come into Washington.
Speaker 1: Now, I want to talk about Dexter Manny a little
Speaker 1: bit because the combo of you two. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we've seen a combo like that since, to me,
Speaker 1: the best pass rusher duo I think the NFL has
Speaker 1: ever seen.
Speaker 5: Do you feel that way?
Speaker 7: Well, I'm a little biased, but yes, me too. That's
Speaker 7: the first of all I walk in. Let me just
Speaker 7: take my day one day one. This is after draft
Speaker 7: April whatever, it was, right after the draft that day
Speaker 7: when they called my name on ESPN, first time I
Speaker 7: had heard that. And within hours I'm on a plane
Speaker 7: in first class heading to Dalla, I mean heading to Dallas,
Speaker 7: listen to that Freudian slip, heading to Washington. And I
Speaker 7: walk into the locker room. First of all, I see
Speaker 7: in the facility and I'm like, what is this? My
Speaker 7: high school was bigger than this. Anyway, I said, Okay, okay,
Speaker 7: I'm not going to pay attention to that. So I
Speaker 7: walk into the facility and the first person I see
Speaker 7: coming out of the weight room was Jojacoby. I'm six ' six.
Speaker 7: Jojacoby is six to seven. I was at the time
Speaker 7: as a rookie. I was two hundred and thirty pounds.
Speaker 7: Jojacoby was three hundred and thirty pounds. So I walked
Speaker 7: past him in the hallway. It couldn't get past him.
Speaker 7: I had to go sideways to get around him. And
Speaker 7: the next person I see is Dexter Manley's He's swoll up.
Speaker 2: He just bitching four hundred.
Speaker 7: And fifty pounds and doing all that he was doing,
Speaker 7: sweating profusely like he always does, and this big scar
Speaker 7: on his face. I mean, I'm like, big black, greasy brother.
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh shoot, this is I'm not gonna then.
Speaker 7: And then the guy that was walking me through there
Speaker 7: was Jay Burnetti, the equipment guy, said he said, you'll
Speaker 7: be going to begainst this guy that was Jo Jacobe
Speaker 7: every week in practice. And then when Dexter walked by,
Speaker 7: he said, and that's who you're backing up. You'll never
Speaker 7: see the light of day. I said, oh, okay, thanks
Speaker 7: ladies for trusting me, you know, believing in me. That
Speaker 7: was my first experience. So it was so Dexter was
Speaker 7: not going to let me. He wasn't going to give
Speaker 7: me anything. He wasn't going to let me know what
Speaker 7: he did. But I just watched him. I watched him
Speaker 7: every day in practice. I watched him in the gym.
Speaker 7: I watched him the way he worked out, and I
Speaker 7: was behind him, and I knew.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to let me get in the lineup.
Speaker 7: But as I start building his confidence in me, and
Speaker 7: I start building confidence that year, he would say, hey,
Speaker 7: look if I throw my hand up, you run out
Speaker 7: on the field. Don't look at the coaches. You run
Speaker 7: out on the field and spare and spelled me. I said, okay,
Speaker 7: And so I remember the first time I did that.
Speaker 7: It was we were in a game. It was burning
Speaker 7: up hot, and Dexter went about two or three plays
Speaker 7: and threw his hand up and I come running on
Speaker 7: the field, and the coaches yelled at me, screened, get
Speaker 7: back here.
Speaker 5: What are you doing?
Speaker 2: And I just kept on running.
Speaker 7: I ran out there and I spelled Dexter, and and
Speaker 7: over the time I started learning how he did things.
Speaker 2: Watched his step. Watched how he got in his stance.
Speaker 7: His stance was this jet technique and it was his
Speaker 7: butt was high in.
Speaker 6: The air as his hand without far and it was
Speaker 6: like a hurdler's run, you know, getting ready.
Speaker 7: And I started mimicking everything he did. And eventually the
Speaker 7: second year they moved me to the other side. And
Speaker 7: now it's his competition and that's what it That's what
Speaker 7: it was.
Speaker 2: A game on Charles.
Speaker 1: I had to be tough as a rookie, right because
Speaker 1: you're coming into this team and you have no idea
Speaker 1: what to expect. But you do know that Dexter Manley's
Speaker 1: in that locker room. So as a working before you
Speaker 1: got a chance to meet him, were you did you
Speaker 1: have any expectations of him mentoring you or him welcoming
Speaker 1: you in and teaching you all of these things? Like
Speaker 1: was that kind of tough to deal with when that
Speaker 1: wasn't the reality when you finally met him.
Speaker 2: It wasn't the reality, You're right?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: And and it was it wasn't tough to deal with.
Speaker 7: I realized this dog eat dog, you know it was
Speaker 7: going to be. I mean, he was the he was
Speaker 7: the stuff he was. He wasn't Dexter Manley, he was
Speaker 7: mister D. So that's when he had the mohawk, and
Speaker 7: he was this whole alter eagle. He was mister D.
Speaker 7: So you didn't call him Dexter. You call him mister D.
Speaker 7: And uh he was. He was a bad dude, and
Speaker 7: so I was just trying to be anything close to him.
Speaker 2: I know I would have it. And then so they
Speaker 2: did everything with me.
Speaker 7: So I was the I was the release man on
Speaker 7: punt returns because the year before, Dexter was the release
Speaker 7: man on pump returns. That means I ran down there,
Speaker 7: took on these dif defensive backs, tossed them out of
Speaker 7: the way, and then tried to turn the punt returner
Speaker 7: into the rest of the group.
Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't ever making.
Speaker 7: The tackle because I was running too fast to slow down.
Speaker 7: And you know, all you have to do is give
Speaker 7: me a little hint, and I was running right past you.
Speaker 7: So but my job was.
Speaker 2: To turn to play in and I did that.
Speaker 7: But they had me do everything they had Dexter do
Speaker 7: the years before.
Speaker 2: Now it was my turn to do it because Dexter
Speaker 2: did it.
Speaker 1: In your opinion, what changed your guy's relationship because you said. Eventually,
Speaker 1: as a season kept going, he started letting you know, like, hey,
Speaker 1: you're the one I want you to come in. What
Speaker 1: do you think changed from him and his perspective that
Speaker 1: made him say, okay, yes, this is my competition. However,
Speaker 1: I know hoping this kid along will bring success to
Speaker 1: this team.
Speaker 7: I think he started respecting me as a player. See Dexter.
Speaker 7: When you talk to Dexter, and I'm sure you have
Speaker 7: or if you haven't yet, Dexter said they paid him
Speaker 7: to make sacks. That was what he was paid for.
Speaker 7: And I came in and I'm like, well, I don't
Speaker 7: think in my contract they were paying me to make sacks.
Speaker 7: They were paying me to be a defensive end. So
Speaker 7: I got to play to run and the pass, and
Speaker 7: so I prided myself on being able to take on
Speaker 7: the double teams, the tight end and the tackle, being
Speaker 7: able to keep contained that means outside leverage, not letting
Speaker 7: the play get outside of me, and then also rushing
Speaker 7: the passer and being right there. You look at all
Speaker 7: the sacks that I made over my career, Dexter is
Speaker 7: always in the foreground getting it done to him, making
Speaker 7: the sack and vice versa.
Speaker 2: When I was getting.
Speaker 7: When he was getting the sack, I was getting a
Speaker 7: double teamed or whatever has happened to me.
Speaker 2: So it was kind of fun.
Speaker 7: We started being very competitive, and in that third year,
Speaker 7: he had fourteen and a half sacks. I had fourteen,
Speaker 7: and we were the top sacking defensive end tandem in
Speaker 7: the league.
Speaker 2: Everybody took pride to that.
Speaker 6: And I remember the day he ended up winning the
Speaker 6: sack lead that that we were playing the Eagles as
Speaker 6: a matter of fact, in Philly, and uh.
Speaker 7: And I needed a half. He was a half a
Speaker 7: sack on me and I could not get that that sack.
Speaker 7: I was trying to jump on the pile.
Speaker 2: I was doing everything I could do just to beat him.
Speaker 6: And I remember on the plane on the way back
Speaker 6: he was he was, he sat behind me and he
Speaker 6: was going at it.
Speaker 2: Charles, I got the sack lead. You can't catch me.
Speaker 2: It's over.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm going to wherever he was going going
Speaker 7: out to the club that night, because he was so excited,
Speaker 7: and I was sitting there like, hey, you know, at
Speaker 7: least he's recognizing me.
Speaker 6: He knows that I was a threat, you know, And
Speaker 6: that was all that I did. I wasn't trying to
Speaker 6: beat him. I was trying to get to the playoffs.
Speaker 6: I was trying to win championships.
Speaker 7: And a part of it came how good he and
Speaker 7: I were. The coach always said we have to get
Speaker 7: pressure without running a blitz, and Dexter and I took
Speaker 7: pride in that we got pressure. Even when we didn't
Speaker 7: send a whole bunch of guys.
Speaker 2: We got pressure.
Speaker 1: And it's funny to hear you talk about how you
Speaker 1: guys go from. You go from this person where he
Speaker 1: ain't given the time of day two because hey, you
Speaker 1: ain't never going to see the field behind me. Then
Speaker 1: you come to a guy that is starting to earn
Speaker 1: his respect. Then you get onto the other side of
Speaker 1: the field where you guys get to play together. And
Speaker 1: again it sounds like iron with shoppering iron there. Y'all
Speaker 1: were very very competitive man. When you think about those
Speaker 1: times getting to play with him and being, you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, the most dominant past rusher duo that
Speaker 1: I think I've ever seen. When you think of those moments,
Speaker 1: what stands up to you most of playing with Dexter
Speaker 1: and y'all's relationship and like, what are some of those
Speaker 1: stories you can give us in those memories you have
Speaker 1: where y'all two were just locked in together and getting.
Speaker 5: It done well.
Speaker 7: First of all, the brother didn't like the heat. So
Speaker 7: I remember we're going out. We were in Arizona getting
Speaker 7: ready to play the Cardinals, and the brother was saying.
Speaker 2: It ain't hot out here. It ain't hot out here
Speaker 2: that minute high. I knew it was hot because I
Speaker 2: was in there too. It was hot.
Speaker 7: And he kept saying that in the warm up, said everything,
Speaker 7: he's sweating profusely. And then within about two or three plays,
Speaker 7: that brother went down with an injury and he was
Speaker 7: sitting over on the sideline with a towel on it
Speaker 7: with water and it wasn't hot.
Speaker 2: Then his brother shut it down.
Speaker 7: So Dexter was very very emotional and uh, and he
Speaker 7: always wore his his.
Speaker 2: His how he felt on his sleeve.
Speaker 7: I remember we were also playing a team and Dexter
Speaker 7: was was having words. Dexter was talking about the offensive
Speaker 7: tackle he was going to go up against, and I
Speaker 7: knew better. I felt like, look, I'm not trying to
Speaker 7: get these guys any ammunition, so I ain't saying nothing.
Speaker 7: So they came up to me asking me stuff, and
Speaker 7: they and then after talking to Dexter, and Dexter said
Speaker 7: I'm gonna beat him up like this and that I'm
Speaker 7: going to tear him up, and I wouldn't say, hey, look,
Speaker 7: I'm just happy to play against the guy, the guys
Speaker 7: in all pro.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know how I'll do, And Dexter
Speaker 2: was just going off, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: So of course in the locker room, the headings was
Speaker 7: Dexter Manley says this and that. Man they jack, They
Speaker 7: were all over Dexter in that game. I had I
Speaker 7: had a field day because they had him all himmed
Speaker 7: up and I was making plays.
Speaker 2: You know. So Dexter never did understand that.
Speaker 7: He always was going to talk his He's gonna say
Speaker 7: whatever he had to say, and I was always on
Speaker 7: the other side saying, you know, I'm just.
Speaker 2: Happy to be here. You know, I don't know how
Speaker 2: good I'll be.
Speaker 7: You know, I was setting them up all the time,
Speaker 7: where Dexter was just talking the way he wanted to talk.
Speaker 3: Got that like beat him my own nice combo.
Speaker 2: We were, We were a great combo.
Speaker 7: But you know, Dexter paid, he probably have had a
Speaker 7: few more sacks of being kept his mouth shut.
Speaker 5: Well, then whatever you guys were doing out there, it worked.
Speaker 1: You yourself have seen multiple Super Bowls and have been
Speaker 1: a part of some of the greatest teams we've ever
Speaker 1: seen in the NFL.
Speaker 5: So when you think.
Speaker 1: About your experience and the way you've been able to
Speaker 1: win games with these teams, then you look at this
Speaker 1: current team right now, this current commander's team. Do you
Speaker 1: see parallels there and things that make you say, you
Speaker 1: know what, this seems like a team that could go
Speaker 1: all the way as well.
Speaker 6: I don't see the parallels other than look, I played
Speaker 6: with Joe thisman. We went back to back Super Bowls,
Speaker 6: and the one I went to with them was in
Speaker 6: nineteen eighty three when we played against the who was
Speaker 6: that the San Diego.
Speaker 7: We Oh, I'm sorry, the Raiders. Of course, I know
Speaker 7: that's the only loss we had. Anyway, we're playing the
Speaker 7: Raiders in the Super Bowl. Joe Eisman was incredible. I
Speaker 7: watched him all year long just play his butt off
Speaker 7: as a quarterback. But then the second Super Bowl, the
Speaker 7: strike shortened one with Doug Williams against the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 7: You know we saw Doug, you know, play his butt
Speaker 7: off forty two points straight and then Mark Rippin against
Speaker 7: the Buffalo Bills in Minnesota, the weirdest place to have
Speaker 7: a Super Bowl. I'm mentioning those quarterbacks for a reason.
Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels doesn't look anything like any of those
Speaker 2: guys except Doug in that one game.
Speaker 7: Doug in the one game, looks like Jade and Daniels
Speaker 7: in every game.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's crazy, that's true.
Speaker 2: That's true. I can't even explain it.
Speaker 7: And I'm you know, I think I'm pretty well versed
Speaker 7: at what I see, and I've been watching a lot
Speaker 7: of football. I've analyzed a lot of football. I can't
Speaker 7: explain this kid. He I can't explain him. He is
Speaker 7: the hottest quarterback playing right now, and it's.
Speaker 2: You can't factor that in. I don't know how to
Speaker 2: factor that into the game.
Speaker 6: But as far as the rest of the team, there's
Speaker 6: a belief, and that's what's so nice to watch.
Speaker 2: There's a belief that we can get down because winning.
Speaker 7: Is contagious, just like losing is contagious, and this team
Speaker 7: can get down, but they never think they're out.
Speaker 2: And that starts at the top. So that starts with
Speaker 2: Josh Harris, then it goes to Dan Quinn and his
Speaker 2: coaching staff, and then those players in that locker room
Speaker 2: know that they're all by themselves. The world is against them,
Speaker 2: and that is a good thing.
Speaker 6: When the team starts believing that it's us against the world,
Speaker 6: Oh my.
Speaker 2: God, you can do anything, you really can. And then
Speaker 2: you've got a quarterback that it's not gonna throw an interception.
Speaker 6: He's gonna make ninety nine percent of the right place
Speaker 6: every now and then he may have an.
Speaker 7: Off throw, but that's it. The off throw doesn't end
Speaker 7: up being an interception.
Speaker 6: This, I mean, it is just man, I'm starting already
Speaker 6: talking about Super Bowl and Buffalo Bills again, beating the cancer.
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm going there.
Speaker 7: I would never if you would interview me over the
Speaker 7: last thirty years I've been in town, if you had
Speaker 7: interviewed me over these last thirty years.
Speaker 2: My wife says, you need to.
Speaker 7: Stop being so negative, and Pete, I said, I can't
Speaker 7: help myself that I kind of tell the truth all
Speaker 7: the time. Yeah, And so when people ask this, man,
Speaker 7: I know they don't have a chance. No, they're not
Speaker 7: very good at No.
Speaker 2: And do you watch them? Oh, I watch them every week,
Speaker 2: But do they have a chance. Oh, they don't have
Speaker 2: a chance. And now I'm saying, man, this is for real.
Speaker 1: It's for real, and that energy and that energy is
Speaker 1: not just coming from the legends. It's not just coming
Speaker 1: from the players, let us go from the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: It's also a belief that's coming back from this fan base.
Speaker 1: And you know better than anybody what this fan base
Speaker 1: is like when this team is winning. When this team
Speaker 1: is winning, suppers the way this fan base shows up.
Speaker 1: And it feels as if when I talk to these
Speaker 1: other legends that that's how this fan base is acting
Speaker 1: right now. When you look at this fan base and
Speaker 1: everything they've been through. You've mentioned these last thirty years
Speaker 1: because you've been here as well, been a fan as well.
Speaker 1: How much does this team success mean, not only to
Speaker 1: this fan base, for the entire DMV.
Speaker 7: Well, it's it's incredible. Let me just say, I can walk.
Speaker 7: I'm in Ashburn, I'm I'm in you know, Loudon County. Man,
Speaker 7: the minute I get into the DC.
Speaker 6: Marketplace, even today, at sixty three years young, having had
Speaker 6: not played in thirty three years or so on this team,
Speaker 6: I walk into d C, I drive in my car.
Speaker 2: I can be walking down the street. People stop me.
Speaker 9: Even to this day, I don't look anything like I
Speaker 9: used to have a high top fade, you know, and
Speaker 9: I was pretty big, you know, and I look not
Speaker 9: like that, and these people will spot me a mile away,
Speaker 9: you know.
Speaker 2: I mean it's so that is you know. Do I
Speaker 2: ever get tired of that?
Speaker 5: Is that?
Speaker 7: No, that's respect, that's remembering, and and I love that.
Speaker 7: Look they would we win a game in Dallas after
Speaker 7: marching onto the marching off the off the plane on
Speaker 7: the tarmac, marching in fatigues to our bus, marching into Dallas,
Speaker 7: beating Dallas. We come back that night and it's one
Speaker 7: or two in the morning, and they were at Redskin
Speaker 7: Park waiting. Fans were at Redsland Park waiting for us.
Speaker 6: We beat We went another super Bowl, one of the
Speaker 6: many Super Bowls, and they're tearing down Georgetown. They're climbing
Speaker 6: up light poles and acting a fool.
Speaker 7: And I mean it's just that stuff. You don't miss that.
Speaker 7: I mean, you welcome that, you love that. That's the
Speaker 7: pride this town. When when we won Congress and and
Speaker 7: you know, the Republicans and Democrats got alone, you know, oh,
Speaker 7: and they may fight the rest of the week.
Speaker 2: But that brought people together.
Speaker 7: It was it was fantastic knowing that our winning meant
Speaker 7: that much to the to the fan base.
Speaker 1: There's no better place to be than the DMV, especially
Speaker 1: when Washington is successful. Man and so and closing, because
Speaker 1: we're running out of time here, Charles Man, I really
Speaker 1: enjoyed talking to you.
Speaker 3: We'll have to have you on next week. We'll prepare
Speaker 3: for the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But we look at the Philadelphia Eagles first NFC championship
Speaker 1: game since nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 3: How important was out there to get that win?
Speaker 1: How special will it be to get that win over
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles knowing all of the history we have
Speaker 1: with that team.
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, you know, Jalen Hurts is a
Speaker 6: solid quarterback, much respect obviously. The running back is just
Speaker 6: the you know, he's special. He is special, and so
Speaker 6: it's going to take a lot to overcome that.
Speaker 2: But you know what, we're playing with house money.
Speaker 7: And when you're playing with house money, don't nobody think
Speaker 7: you can win.
Speaker 2: Don't nobody think you got.
Speaker 7: This or the man in their backyard with their nasty fans,
Speaker 7: their fans are the worst.
Speaker 2: In the league, no question, no question.
Speaker 7: To beat them in their own house. We're gonna go nuts.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go nuts, and I ain't even there. I
Speaker 7: wanna go nuts. I can make sure I'd let the
Speaker 7: community know that if we win, there might be some
Speaker 7: ruckets going on over at demand household, because I'm gonna
Speaker 7: be fired.
Speaker 5: Up, Jonathan's just be you. It's not gonna just be you,
Speaker 5: fired them.
Speaker 1: I think the entire area will be they Honestly, you
Speaker 1: might be calling a complace because the fans might be
Speaker 1: a little louder you Okay.
Speaker 7: All right, Well this is this is exciting, Brian.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to talk about it. Thank you for having
Speaker 2: me on.
Speaker 7: This is a special time and I looked forward to
Speaker 7: this moment. I'm gonna have to find a way to
Speaker 7: the super Bowl. If we get in, I'm there. I'm
Speaker 7: there when we get in.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see you there, Charles, because I
Speaker 1: will be there too, bab We gotta get you.
Speaker 5: To come in the studio next time. Man.
Speaker 1: We got a lot more to chop it up about,
Speaker 1: but Charles, thank you so much for taking the time, man,
Speaker 1: and just remember, we do not get here as an
Speaker 1: organization without the things that you and the other legends
Speaker 1: did to pay the way that never changes. The name
Speaker 1: might change, but what y'all did on that field never changes.
Speaker 1: So Charles, thank you so much and thank you for
Speaker 1: bringing some of that Super Bowl energy here.
Speaker 5: The Next Man Up. I appreciate you. Brother.
Speaker 1: All right, Brother, yes, sir, command this family, our Next
Speaker 1: Man Up. One of the greatest to ever do it.
Speaker 1: Charles Man Command this family. We hope you enjoyed this
Speaker 1: extra special playoff edition of Next Man Up.
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