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Speaker 1: Another special playoff episode of Next Man Up. Our safety

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Speaker 1: Kwan Martin had a huge game out on Detroit.

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Speaker 2: We talk all.

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Speaker 1: About that and look forward to the Philadelphia Eagles. That's right, baby,

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Speaker 1: we are in the NFC Championship. Then we have to

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Speaker 1: have another Super Bowl champion.

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Speaker 3: Pull up.

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Speaker 1: Charles Man, one of the best defensive ends to ever

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Speaker 1: play the game, pulls up and talks about why winning

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Speaker 1: it's so important for this fan base.

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Speaker 3: All that more right now on Next Man Up, command

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Speaker 3: this family.

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Speaker 1: For our Next Man Up, we had to bring on

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Speaker 1: the player of the game from Mount in Detroit, had

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Speaker 1: an incredible pick six. We want to talk about all

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Speaker 1: that welcoming in our safety kwaldm Martin.

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Speaker 4: Brother was going on, Man, appreciate you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Man, I appreciate you taking the time to see with us.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm say, You're getting picked six is

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Speaker 1: on a big stage and all that.

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Speaker 5: Man, You're doing big things.

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Speaker 3: Brother, Man, how great has this season been for you?

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Speaker 5: Just overall?

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Speaker 4: Man, it's been special, just from OTAs to to camp

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Speaker 4: and you know everything that you know, we've really been

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Speaker 4: through and uh, just a preparation, man, everything that went

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Speaker 4: into it. Just new staff, new players, like building and

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Speaker 4: bonding with those guys and it's just been fun.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 3: And you use the word special. A lot of people

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Speaker 3: have used that word special.

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Speaker 1: What you know, you mentioned all those things, but what

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Speaker 1: about it if you could hone in on something that

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Speaker 1: has made this season so special for Qualm Martin, For.

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Speaker 4: Me, man, just the guys around me, uh, Jeremy Chan

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Speaker 4: Bobby Wagner, Mikey Sanders still like all those dudes, man,

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Speaker 4: Just just being able to have a group of guys

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Speaker 4: that you know you can depend on and you know

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Speaker 4: that's going to depend on you. So just being able

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Speaker 4: to show up for them dudes every day. And she

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Speaker 4: was really the whole team, man. Just everybody's just been

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Speaker 4: so hands on. And you know, talk about brotherhood all

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Speaker 4: the time, but it ain't cliche man, like it shows

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Speaker 4: like on the field. Off the field, just the bonds

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Speaker 4: is strong.

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Speaker 1: Man, y'all got that real brotherhood. And you mentioned Bobby

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Speaker 1: Wagner and that's a real leader right there.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: I mean both of us we grew up watching Bobby Wagner. No,

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Speaker 1: we know what he's able to do.

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Speaker 5: Feld.

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Speaker 1: What has he been like as a mentor and the

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Speaker 1: leader to not only you but this entire defense.

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Speaker 4: Man, he's been a lot, just that leadership. Just coming

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Speaker 4: in here. Man, he like, you know, a coach on

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Speaker 4: the field, So just being able to learn from him, man,

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Speaker 4: just whatever, just takes stuff from him, and he's a

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Speaker 4: great piece on that defense.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that coach on the field, but you also

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Speaker 1: have a dog upstairs, that defensive coordinator, Joe with j

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Speaker 1: Man watching everything you guys do, making those adjustments. Man,

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Speaker 1: what has it been like, because this is the first

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Speaker 1: the Joe with Junior and what.

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Speaker 5: Makes him so special?

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Speaker 4: Man, it's been fun, you know, just the way he

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Speaker 4: schemed things up, the way he put us in position

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Speaker 4: to be successful and make players. Man Like, it's been fun.

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Speaker 4: And I don't think I ever had this much fun

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Speaker 4: playing football.

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Speaker 5: So what makes it so much fun? Though? Man?

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Speaker 1: Because again we've had people sitting at the same chance

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Speaker 1: say I've never had this much fun or this.

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Speaker 5: Is the most fun I've had since college?

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Speaker 1: What about it is so much fun and just working

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Speaker 1: right because you've seen the NFL for a few years now.

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Speaker 5: What makes this so much fun? Man?

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Speaker 4: It's just guys out there who just loved a game

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Speaker 4: of football. Man, Who's gonna go out and do anything

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Speaker 4: it's hard not to have fun and just fly around

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Speaker 4: and make plays. Man, And you know we all just

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Speaker 4: celebrate each other.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: You talk about making plays, brother, he made a huge play.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Troy got that big pig six.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: In that moment you catch that ball, you start taking off,

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Speaker 1: you start seeing that. When did you know you was

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Speaker 4: It wasn't even as soon as I caught it. It

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Speaker 4: was after I made the second dude miss. Once I

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Speaker 4: and I was like, I don't know if you've seen

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Speaker 4: the video, but I like put the ball out like

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Speaker 4: just the blue before I even got in there. I'm like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's touchdown. So it felt good, man, Like my first

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Speaker 4: And any game just feels good.

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Speaker 5: How many times if you watched that highlight?

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Speaker 4: I probably watched it I've been I've been trying to

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Speaker 4: stop watching it. Yeah, I probably ain't watched it since. Nah,

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Speaker 4: I'll watched it today.

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Speaker 3: Hey, nothing wrong with that, man, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, it's been fun.

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Speaker 4: Just you know, you got a lot of people sitting

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Speaker 1: I think my favorite part of that pick six was

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Speaker 1: louisvu that block at the exuse I don't even know

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Speaker 1: what's necessary to do, but boy, look, good man, what

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Speaker 1: did you say to lou when you saw that.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate you from making sure I got in there. Man,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you never know how to go to man,

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Speaker 5: Know, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So just like that's what we talk about, man, like

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Speaker 4: he didn't have to make that block, but he did,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So gave me an opportunity

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Speaker 1: And that's been the coolest thing talking to you guys

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Speaker 1: after these big plascause. Everybody say in the share that's

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Speaker 5: Of the love.

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Speaker 1: Man, what was that love like after you got that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like white noise, man, Like I kind

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Speaker 4: It was just crazy to see and I just you know,

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Speaker 4: it was fun honestly.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned those fans, man, how great is it

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Speaker 1: We've seen our fans travel everywhere and even Introit. You

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: How cool is that being a player knowing that you

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Speaker 4: Oh man, It's it's been cool since you know, we've

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Speaker 4: just bring these these wins and continueing to, you know,

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Speaker 4: just putting ourselves in position to have that report from

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Speaker 4: our fans. So it's been great all year.

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Speaker 1: And it's great when you see these teams winning games,

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Speaker 1: you see us doing these things. But it's one thing

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Speaker 1: to beat the Eagles, we already beat them once, but

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Speaker 1: to beat them in the NFC Championship. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you notice, but we have not been to the

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Speaker 1: NFCY Championship game since nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he wasn't yet.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't yet, So that's crazy, man. But Philly, that's

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Speaker 1: something you are very, very familiar with. Do you feel

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Speaker 5: It does.

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Speaker 4: But Coach Witt actually said some of the meeting today

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Speaker 4: and it kind of just stuck with me. He's like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: like we played them, we beat him, blah blah blah,

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Speaker 4: but we haven't played them in an NFC championship game.

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Speaker 4: So just treating this game, like, you know, this is

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Speaker 4: our first time playing, truthfully.

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Speaker 1: What's the preparation been like, like, you know, I know

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Speaker 1: it's still a game, but this is playoffs, is NFC Championship.

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Speaker 1: How has preparation increased or amped up during this playoff run?

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Speaker 5: You guys right?

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Speaker 4: Man, just gods trying to you know, whatever kind of

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Speaker 4: Like like you said, we played them twice already, so

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Speaker 4: Red just trying to find more, you know, just digesting

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Speaker 1: When dan Quinn talks to you guys during this time

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Speaker 1: because him, but I'll be waggoning Jo, would you all

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Speaker 1: dan Quinn's been messaging not only to the team but

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Speaker 5: As a whole. Just stay in the moment.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be a lot of outside nos of this, Dad,

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Speaker 4: whatever will come after, but just staying in a moment

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Speaker 4: one week at a time.

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Speaker 1: Someone who definitely seems to always stay in a moment

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Speaker 5: We were talking to Jonathan Allen off air.

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Speaker 1: He was like, man, our defense just knows whenever win

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Speaker 1: in the pinch, just get Jadon Daniels to the ball

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Speaker 1: backuse that kind of the conversation you guys have.

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Speaker 4: Man, we always talk about getting those takeaways, three plus

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Speaker 4: takeaways a week, and just I mean, he's a bad

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Speaker 5: And it's somebody that is in the secondary.

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Speaker 1: You have to scout quarterbacks all the time, you have

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Speaker 1: to play up and gets some of the best quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: especially this season. What does make Jade and Daniel so

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Speaker 5: Honestly, you talk.

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 1: We have nothing but confidence in your brother. We know

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Speaker 5: You know they're gonna be there.

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Speaker 1: See y'all in Philly. Commandeds fans, We know y'all are

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Speaker 1: Amanda's family on next man up, the Big Man out

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Speaker 1: and Detroit Baby Kwan, Marik Kwan, good luck this son.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Command this family.

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Speaker 1: Since we're in the playoffs, we're going to keep the

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Speaker 1: Now this for the Berkeley and Gold, but for the

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Speaker 3: Welcome in, Charles, man, Charles, how you doing, sir?

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Speaker 7: It is good to be with you. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: Well it's not too old man, brother, and you looking

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Speaker 1: the savings. I'm seeing us right next to each other.

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Speaker 1: You look a little younger to me, honestly so so

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Speaker 1: Tom has treated you up.

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Speaker 7: Your time has been good to me. I like the gym,

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Speaker 2: Well, little work and get.

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Speaker 1: Out agent gracefully is not easy then, but you are

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Speaker 5: So I want to start from jump.

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Speaker 1: You were a third round pick by Washington when you

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Speaker 2: I hated them. I knew that.

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm from Sacramento, man, so I was liking everything.

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Speaker 7: Finally have my own likes because you know, as a

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Speaker 7: They they always act out and they don't have nothing

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Speaker 8: And I have friends that are Dallas fans, which is crazy.

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Speaker 5: When you think about that rookie.

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Speaker 5: Hey, well they goodest man.

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Speaker 5: It was for you to come into Washington.

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Speaker 7: every day in practice. I watched him in the gym.

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00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,240
Speaker 7: I watched him the way he worked out, and I

444
00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,480
Speaker 7: was behind him, and I knew.

445
00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,080
Speaker 2: He didn't want to let me get in the lineup.

446
00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:55,000
Speaker 7: But as I start building his confidence in me, and

447
00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,200
Speaker 7: I start building confidence that year, he would say, hey,

448
00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,120
Speaker 7: look if I throw my hand up, you run out

449
00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,440
Speaker 7: on the field. Don't look at the coaches. You run

450
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,000
Speaker 7: out on the field and spare and spelled me. I said, okay,

451
00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,040
Speaker 7: And so I remember the first time I did that.

452
00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,399
Speaker 7: It was we were in a game. It was burning

453
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,080
Speaker 7: up hot, and Dexter went about two or three plays

454
00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,480
Speaker 7: and threw his hand up and I come running on

455
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,040
Speaker 7: the field, and the coaches yelled at me, screened, get

456
00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:19,679
Speaker 7: back here.

457
00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:20,240
Speaker 5: What are you doing?

458
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:21,679
Speaker 2: And I just kept on running.

459
00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 7: I ran out there and I spelled Dexter, and and

460
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,200
Speaker 7: over the time I started learning how he did things.

461
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,880
Speaker 2: Watched his step. Watched how he got in his stance.

462
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:37,199
Speaker 7: His stance was this jet technique and it was his

463
00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:38,240
Speaker 7: butt was high in.

464
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,199
Speaker 6: The air as his hand without far and it was

465
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 6: like a hurdler's run, you know, getting ready.

466
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,280
Speaker 7: And I started mimicking everything he did. And eventually the

467
00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,800
Speaker 7: second year they moved me to the other side. And

468
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,920
Speaker 7: now it's his competition and that's what it That's what

469
00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:54,240
Speaker 7: it was.

470
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 2: A game on Charles.

471
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:57,640
Speaker 1: I had to be tough as a rookie, right because

472
00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,280
Speaker 1: you're coming into this team and you have no idea

473
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 1: what to expect. But you do know that Dexter Manley's

474
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 1: in that locker room. So as a working before you

475
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 1: got a chance to meet him, were you did you

476
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 1: have any expectations of him mentoring you or him welcoming

477
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,119
Speaker 1: you in and teaching you all of these things? Like

478
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,119
Speaker 1: was that kind of tough to deal with when that

479
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,040
Speaker 1: wasn't the reality when you finally met him.

480
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 2: It wasn't the reality, You're right?

481
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:16,680
Speaker 5: Uh?

482
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,120
Speaker 2: And and it was it wasn't tough to deal with.

483
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 7: I realized this dog eat dog, you know it was

484
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 7: going to be. I mean, he was the he was

485
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,359
Speaker 7: the stuff he was. He wasn't Dexter Manley, he was

486
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,199
Speaker 7: mister D. So that's when he had the mohawk, and

487
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,199
Speaker 7: he was this whole alter eagle. He was mister D.

488
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 7: So you didn't call him Dexter. You call him mister D.

489
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 7: And uh he was. He was a bad dude, and

490
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 7: so I was just trying to be anything close to him.

491
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 2: I know I would have it. And then so they

492
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 2: did everything with me.

493
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 7: So I was the I was the release man on

494
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,159
Speaker 7: punt returns because the year before, Dexter was the release

495
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 7: man on pump returns. That means I ran down there,

496
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,879
Speaker 7: took on these dif defensive backs, tossed them out of

497
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 7: the way, and then tried to turn the punt returner

498
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 7: into the rest of the group.

499
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't ever making.

500
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 7: The tackle because I was running too fast to slow down.

501
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 7: And you know, all you have to do is give

502
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 7: me a little hint, and I was running right past you.

503
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 7: So but my job was.

504
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 2: To turn to play in and I did that.

505
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 7: But they had me do everything they had Dexter do

506
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 7: the years before.

507
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 2: Now it was my turn to do it because Dexter

508
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 2: did it.

509
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 1: In your opinion, what changed your guy's relationship because you said. Eventually,

510
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 1: as a season kept going, he started letting you know, like, hey,

511
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 1: you're the one I want you to come in. What

512
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 1: do you think changed from him and his perspective that

513
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 1: made him say, okay, yes, this is my competition. However,

514
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: I know hoping this kid along will bring success to

515
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:44,400
Speaker 1: this team.

516
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 7: I think he started respecting me as a player. See Dexter.

517
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 7: When you talk to Dexter, and I'm sure you have

518
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 7: or if you haven't yet, Dexter said they paid him

519
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 7: to make sacks. That was what he was paid for.

520
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,960
Speaker 7: And I came in and I'm like, well, I don't

521
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 7: think in my contract they were paying me to make sacks.

522
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 7: They were paying me to be a defensive end. So

523
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 7: I got to play to run and the pass, and

524
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 7: so I prided myself on being able to take on

525
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 7: the double teams, the tight end and the tackle, being

526
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 7: able to keep contained that means outside leverage, not letting

527
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 7: the play get outside of me, and then also rushing

528
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 7: the passer and being right there. You look at all

529
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 7: the sacks that I made over my career, Dexter is

530
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 7: always in the foreground getting it done to him, making

531
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 7: the sack and vice versa.

532
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 2: When I was getting.

533
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 7: When he was getting the sack, I was getting a

534
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 7: double teamed or whatever has happened to me.

535
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 2: So it was kind of fun.

536
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 7: We started being very competitive, and in that third year,

537
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 7: he had fourteen and a half sacks. I had fourteen,

538
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 7: and we were the top sacking defensive end tandem in

539
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 7: the league.

540
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 2: Everybody took pride to that.

541
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 6: And I remember the day he ended up winning the

542
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 6: sack lead that that we were playing the Eagles as

543
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 6: a matter of fact, in Philly, and uh.

544
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 7: And I needed a half. He was a half a

545
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 7: sack on me and I could not get that that sack.

546
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 7: I was trying to jump on the pile.

547
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: I was doing everything I could do just to beat him.

548
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 6: And I remember on the plane on the way back

549
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 6: he was he was, he sat behind me and he

550
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 6: was going at it.

551
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 2: Charles, I got the sack lead. You can't catch me.

552
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 2: It's over.

553
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 7: You know, I'm going to wherever he was going going

554
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 7: out to the club that night, because he was so excited,

555
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 7: and I was sitting there like, hey, you know, at

556
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 7: least he's recognizing me.

557
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 6: He knows that I was a threat, you know, And

558
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 6: that was all that I did. I wasn't trying to

559
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 6: beat him. I was trying to get to the playoffs.

560
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 6: I was trying to win championships.

561
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 7: And a part of it came how good he and

562
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 7: I were. The coach always said we have to get

563
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,800
Speaker 7: pressure without running a blitz, and Dexter and I took

564
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 7: pride in that we got pressure. Even when we didn't

565
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 7: send a whole bunch of guys.

566
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: We got pressure.

567
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: And it's funny to hear you talk about how you

568
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: guys go from. You go from this person where he

569
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: ain't given the time of day two because hey, you

570
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: ain't never going to see the field behind me. Then

571
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 1: you come to a guy that is starting to earn

572
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: his respect. Then you get onto the other side of

573
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 1: the field where you guys get to play together. And

574
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: again it sounds like iron with shoppering iron there. Y'all

575
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: were very very competitive man. When you think about those

576
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: times getting to play with him and being, you know,

577
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: like I said, the most dominant past rusher duo that

578
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 1: I think I've ever seen. When you think of those moments,

579
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: what stands up to you most of playing with Dexter

580
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 1: and y'all's relationship and like, what are some of those

581
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: stories you can give us in those memories you have

582
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: where y'all two were just locked in together and getting.

583
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 5: It done well.

584
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 7: First of all, the brother didn't like the heat. So

585
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 7: I remember we're going out. We were in Arizona getting

586
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 7: ready to play the Cardinals, and the brother was saying.

587
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 2: It ain't hot out here. It ain't hot out here

588
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: that minute high. I knew it was hot because I

589
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: was in there too. It was hot.

590
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 7: And he kept saying that in the warm up, said everything,

591
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 7: he's sweating profusely. And then within about two or three plays,

592
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 7: that brother went down with an injury and he was

593
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 7: sitting over on the sideline with a towel on it

594
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 7: with water and it wasn't hot.

595
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: Then his brother shut it down.

596
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 7: So Dexter was very very emotional and uh, and he

597
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 7: always wore his his.

598
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: His how he felt on his sleeve.

599
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 7: I remember we were also playing a team and Dexter

600
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 7: was was having words. Dexter was talking about the offensive

601
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 7: tackle he was going to go up against, and I

602
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 7: knew better. I felt like, look, I'm not trying to

603
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 7: get these guys any ammunition, so I ain't saying nothing.

604
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 7: So they came up to me asking me stuff, and

605
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 7: they and then after talking to Dexter, and Dexter said

606
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,239
Speaker 7: I'm gonna beat him up like this and that I'm

607
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 7: going to tear him up, and I wouldn't say, hey, look,

608
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 7: I'm just happy to play against the guy, the guys

609
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 7: in all pro.

610
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know how I'll do, And Dexter

611
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: was just going off, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

612
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 7: So of course in the locker room, the headings was

613
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 7: Dexter Manley says this and that. Man they jack, They

614
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 7: were all over Dexter in that game. I had I

615
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 7: had a field day because they had him all himmed

616
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 7: up and I was making plays.

617
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: You know. So Dexter never did understand that.

618
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 7: He always was going to talk his He's gonna say

619
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,239
Speaker 7: whatever he had to say, and I was always on

620
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 7: the other side saying, you know, I'm just.

621
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: Happy to be here. You know, I don't know how

622
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: good I'll be.

623
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 7: You know, I was setting them up all the time,

624
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 7: where Dexter was just talking the way he wanted to talk.

625
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: Got that like beat him my own nice combo.

626
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: We were, We were a great combo.

627
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 7: But you know, Dexter paid, he probably have had a

628
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 7: few more sacks of being kept his mouth shut.

629
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 5: Well, then whatever you guys were doing out there, it worked.

630
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: You yourself have seen multiple Super Bowls and have been

631
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: a part of some of the greatest teams we've ever

632
00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: seen in the NFL.

633
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 5: So when you think.

634
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: About your experience and the way you've been able to

635
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: win games with these teams, then you look at this

636
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: current team right now, this current commander's team. Do you

637
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: see parallels there and things that make you say, you

638
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: know what, this seems like a team that could go

639
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: all the way as well.

640
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 6: I don't see the parallels other than look, I played

641
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 6: with Joe thisman. We went back to back Super Bowls,

642
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 6: and the one I went to with them was in

643
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 6: nineteen eighty three when we played against the who was

644
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 6: that the San Diego.

645
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 7: We Oh, I'm sorry, the Raiders. Of course, I know

646
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 7: that's the only loss we had. Anyway, we're playing the

647
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 7: Raiders in the Super Bowl. Joe Eisman was incredible. I

648
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 7: watched him all year long just play his butt off

649
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 7: as a quarterback. But then the second Super Bowl, the

650
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 7: strike shortened one with Doug Williams against the Denver Broncos.

651
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 7: You know we saw Doug, you know, play his butt

652
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 7: off forty two points straight and then Mark Rippin against

653
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 7: the Buffalo Bills in Minnesota, the weirdest place to have

654
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 7: a Super Bowl. I'm mentioning those quarterbacks for a reason.

655
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels doesn't look anything like any of those

656
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: guys except Doug in that one game.

657
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 7: Doug in the one game, looks like Jade and Daniels

658
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 7: in every game.

659
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 5: I mean, it's crazy, that's true.

660
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 2: That's true. I can't even explain it.

661
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 7: And I'm you know, I think I'm pretty well versed

662
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 7: at what I see, and I've been watching a lot

663
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 7: of football. I've analyzed a lot of football. I can't

664
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Speaker 7: explain this kid. He I can't explain him. He is

665
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Speaker 7: the hottest quarterback playing right now, and it's.

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Speaker 2: You can't factor that in. I don't know how to

667
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Speaker 2: factor that into the game.

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Speaker 6: But as far as the rest of the team, there's

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Speaker 6: a belief, and that's what's so nice to watch.

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Speaker 2: There's a belief that we can get down because winning.

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Speaker 7: Is contagious, just like losing is contagious, and this team

672
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Speaker 7: can get down, but they never think they're out.

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Speaker 2: And that starts at the top. So that starts with

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Speaker 2: Josh Harris, then it goes to Dan Quinn and his

675
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Speaker 2: coaching staff, and then those players in that locker room

676
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Speaker 2: know that they're all by themselves. The world is against them,

677
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Speaker 2: and that is a good thing.

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Speaker 6: When the team starts believing that it's us against the world,

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Speaker 6: Oh my.

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00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: God, you can do anything, you really can. And then

681
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: you've got a quarterback that it's not gonna throw an interception.

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Speaker 6: He's gonna make ninety nine percent of the right place

683
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Speaker 6: every now and then he may have an.

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Speaker 7: Off throw, but that's it. The off throw doesn't end

685
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Speaker 7: up being an interception.

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Speaker 6: This, I mean, it is just man, I'm starting already

687
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 6: talking about Super Bowl and Buffalo Bills again, beating the cancer.

688
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Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm going there.

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Speaker 7: I would never if you would interview me over the

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00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,959
Speaker 7: last thirty years I've been in town, if you had

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Speaker 7: interviewed me over these last thirty years.

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Speaker 2: My wife says, you need to.

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Speaker 7: Stop being so negative, and Pete, I said, I can't

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Speaker 7: help myself that I kind of tell the truth all

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Speaker 7: the time. Yeah, And so when people ask this, man,

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Speaker 7: I know they don't have a chance. No, they're not

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Speaker 7: very good at No.

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Speaker 2: And do you watch them? Oh, I watch them every week,

699
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: But do they have a chance. Oh, they don't have

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Speaker 2: a chance. And now I'm saying, man, this is for real.

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Speaker 1: It's for real, and that energy and that energy is

702
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: not just coming from the legends. It's not just coming

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00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 1: from the players, let us go from the coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: It's also a belief that's coming back from this fan base.

705
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: And you know better than anybody what this fan base

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Speaker 1: is like when this team is winning. When this team

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Speaker 1: is winning, suppers the way this fan base shows up.

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00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: And it feels as if when I talk to these

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00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: other legends that that's how this fan base is acting

710
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: right now. When you look at this fan base and

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00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: everything they've been through. You've mentioned these last thirty years

712
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: because you've been here as well, been a fan as well.

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00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: How much does this team success mean, not only to

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Speaker 1: this fan base, for the entire DMV.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's it's incredible. Let me just say, I can walk.

716
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Speaker 7: I'm in Ashburn, I'm I'm in you know, Loudon County. Man,

717
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 7: the minute I get into the DC.

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Speaker 6: Marketplace, even today, at sixty three years young, having had

719
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Speaker 6: not played in thirty three years or so on this team,

720
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Speaker 6: I walk into d C, I drive in my car.

721
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: I can be walking down the street. People stop me.

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Speaker 9: Even to this day, I don't look anything like I

723
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 9: used to have a high top fade, you know, and

724
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 9: I was pretty big, you know, and I look not

725
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 9: like that, and these people will spot me a mile away,

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Speaker 9: you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's so that is you know. Do I

728
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: ever get tired of that?

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00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 5: Is that?

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Speaker 7: No, that's respect, that's remembering, and and I love that.

731
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Speaker 7: Look they would we win a game in Dallas after

732
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 7: marching onto the marching off the off the plane on

733
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Speaker 7: the tarmac, marching in fatigues to our bus, marching into Dallas,

734
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Speaker 7: beating Dallas. We come back that night and it's one

735
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Speaker 7: or two in the morning, and they were at Redskin

736
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Speaker 7: Park waiting. Fans were at Redsland Park waiting for us.

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Speaker 6: We beat We went another super Bowl, one of the

738
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Speaker 6: many Super Bowls, and they're tearing down Georgetown. They're climbing

739
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 6: up light poles and acting a fool.

740
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Speaker 7: And I mean it's just that stuff. You don't miss that.

741
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Speaker 7: I mean, you welcome that, you love that. That's the

742
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Speaker 7: pride this town. When when we won Congress and and

743
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 7: you know, the Republicans and Democrats got alone, you know, oh,

744
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 7: and they may fight the rest of the week.

745
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Speaker 2: But that brought people together.

746
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Speaker 7: It was it was fantastic knowing that our winning meant

747
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Speaker 7: that much to the to the fan base.

748
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Speaker 1: There's no better place to be than the DMV, especially

749
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Speaker 1: when Washington is successful. Man and so and closing, because

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00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: we're running out of time here, Charles Man, I really

751
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: enjoyed talking to you.

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Speaker 3: We'll have to have you on next week. We'll prepare

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Speaker 3: for the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: But we look at the Philadelphia Eagles first NFC championship

755
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Speaker 1: game since nineteen ninety one.

756
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Speaker 3: How important was out there to get that win?

757
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: How special will it be to get that win over

758
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Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles knowing all of the history we have

759
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Speaker 1: with that team.

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Speaker 6: Well, first of all, you know, Jalen Hurts is a

761
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Speaker 6: solid quarterback, much respect obviously. The running back is just

762
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 6: the you know, he's special. He is special, and so

763
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Speaker 6: it's going to take a lot to overcome that.

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Speaker 2: But you know what, we're playing with house money.

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Speaker 7: And when you're playing with house money, don't nobody think

766
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Speaker 7: you can win.

767
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: Don't nobody think you got.

768
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 7: This or the man in their backyard with their nasty fans,

769
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Speaker 7: their fans are the worst.

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Speaker 2: In the league, no question, no question.

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Speaker 7: To beat them in their own house. We're gonna go nuts.

772
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go nuts, and I ain't even there. I

773
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 7: wanna go nuts. I can make sure I'd let the

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Speaker 7: community know that if we win, there might be some

775
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 7: ruckets going on over at demand household, because I'm gonna

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00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 7: be fired.

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Speaker 5: Up, Jonathan's just be you. It's not gonna just be you,

778
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 5: fired them.

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Speaker 1: I think the entire area will be they Honestly, you

780
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Speaker 1: might be calling a complace because the fans might be

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Speaker 1: a little louder you Okay.

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Speaker 7: All right, Well this is this is exciting, Brian.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to talk about it. Thank you for having

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Speaker 2: me on.

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Speaker 7: This is a special time and I looked forward to

786
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Speaker 7: this moment. I'm gonna have to find a way to

787
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 7: the super Bowl. If we get in, I'm there. I'm

788
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 7: there when we get in.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see you there, Charles, because I

790
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: will be there too, bab We gotta get you.

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Speaker 5: To come in the studio next time. Man.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot more to chop it up about,

793
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: but Charles, thank you so much for taking the time, man,

794
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: and just remember, we do not get here as an

795
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: organization without the things that you and the other legends

796
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: did to pay the way that never changes. The name

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00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: might change, but what y'all did on that field never changes.

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Speaker 1: So Charles, thank you so much and thank you for

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Speaker 1: bringing some of that Super Bowl energy here.

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Speaker 5: The Next Man Up. I appreciate you. Brother.

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Speaker 1: All right, Brother, yes, sir, command this family, our Next

802
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Speaker 1: Man Up. One of the greatest to ever do it.

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Speaker 1: Charles Man Command this family. We hope you enjoyed this

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Speaker 1: extra special playoff edition of Next Man Up.

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Speaker 5: If you want to check our previous.

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Speaker 1: Next Man Up episodes, you could catch those on the

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Speaker 1: Commander's YouTube page or stream the audio wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcast. I'm your host, Brian Kobe Jr. This is

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Speaker 1: Next Man Up. Catch y'all next week.

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