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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh. There's Chuck,

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Speaker 1: there's Jerry over there. Let's get jolly because buddy, it

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Speaker 1: is Christmas Day. Wow. Is that amazing? It's amazing. It's

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Speaker 1: not to us, but it is to us. Think about it. Yeah. Well, anyway,

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Speaker 1: Merry Christmas everybody. Yes, and Merry Christmas to you and Jerry.

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Speaker 1: And thank you for the lump of goal. You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: Uh and uh Jerry, thank you for the red wagon. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the wrong red wagon. You got a magnet p I

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Speaker 1: red Ferrari. Yeah, it's pretty awesome, amazing, Thanks again, Jerry. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: since it's Christmas, Chuck, we have a special Christmas them

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Speaker 1: short Stuff, and it's about something called the Santa Claus Association.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to ever learn more about the

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Speaker 1: quotes in your search engine, because there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: different Santa associations. This is a specific one that we're

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Speaker 1: to really well. So the Santa Claus association we're talking

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Speaker 1: the century, um the last century, okay, and in New

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Speaker 1: York City in the United States, really, the US Postal

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Speaker 1: Service had away a technique of dealing with little children's

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Speaker 1: So the popular press, the media as we call them

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Speaker 1: to be a better way to do this. What if

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Speaker 1: then they can fulfill these these wishes because Santa is busy,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't really have time field letters. Maybe some grown

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Speaker 1: And they actually determined that some of these letter writers

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Speaker 1: For once. Yeah, he did um. He started this organization

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Speaker 1: tried a jazz cigarette? To try one of those? Is

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