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Speaker 2: Damn, yeah, I saw something the other day. They're like

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Speaker 2: the Misfits are. Yeah, but like wow, what a great band.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you just go do it live at least, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think that would be cool, especially with AI being

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Speaker 2: I liked copying, like the drums on pause boutique or whatever.

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Speaker 2: And yeah that I think that helped me a lot.

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Speaker 1: How long were you practicing each day?

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Speaker 2: As a kid, My parents would would only let me

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Speaker 1: Wow, do you know what gave Tim the idea to

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Speaker 2: I was obsessed with drum and bass as well, like Goldie,

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Speaker 1: It's funny how diverse that scene was. I guess the

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Speaker 2: And for sure, I think back then not everyone was

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Speaker 2: if I saw Nard War, I would want to apologize

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys get a redo, man, because that'd

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Speaker 2: He's a genius, like all this shit he figures out

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Speaker 1: Even in an interview, you could tell part of you

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Speaker 1: kind of like it things like sick, but like what's

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Speaker 2: you're in Blink or you are are this or you

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Speaker 2: have a TV show whatever, so We're gonna try to

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Speaker 2: fuck with you, and I'd be like, no, you're not

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Speaker 2: watch this, you know what I mean. Like, and there

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Speaker 2: was like I just felt like I never really wanted

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Speaker 2: you know, I love music and I love being in

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Speaker 2: you know, pop punk songs that are about like girls

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Speaker 2: And once it does, and we're playing bigger shows and

432
00:21:30,316 --> 00:21:33,836
Speaker 2: we're no longer sleeping on people's floors or driving ourselves

433
00:21:33,836 --> 00:21:36,316
Speaker 2: around in a vand we're in shock, like we we

434
00:21:36,356 --> 00:21:40,076
Speaker 2: also don't think it's gonna last long, and we're just

435
00:21:40,156 --> 00:21:43,996
Speaker 2: sort of in disbelief, just you know, like that's not

436
00:21:44,236 --> 00:21:47,116
Speaker 2: why we started a band. You do start a band

437
00:21:47,196 --> 00:21:49,756
Speaker 2: and you hope that everyone hears your music. But we

438
00:21:49,876 --> 00:21:53,236
Speaker 2: never thought people would like our band like that. We

439
00:21:53,316 --> 00:21:56,436
Speaker 2: never thought it would be that big or pop radio

440
00:21:56,516 --> 00:21:59,676
Speaker 2: would embrace it. We're grateful. I'm grateful for all of it.

441
00:21:59,716 --> 00:22:02,476
Speaker 2: We're grateful for all of it. But do we ever

442
00:22:02,516 --> 00:22:03,756
Speaker 2: expect that to happen? Never?

443
00:22:04,196 --> 00:22:07,156
Speaker 1: When did you? Because it's funny in the dock the

444
00:22:07,236 --> 00:22:09,116
Speaker 1: label At some points, you guys downs, you don't make

445
00:22:09,196 --> 00:22:11,436
Speaker 1: more money than you ever thought you you know, and

446
00:22:11,436 --> 00:22:12,956
Speaker 1: you're going to be bigger and you're going to be

447
00:22:12,996 --> 00:22:15,156
Speaker 1: more popular. Just get ready, and you guys were like,

448
00:22:15,476 --> 00:22:16,916
Speaker 1: you gotta be kidding me, Like, no way.

449
00:22:17,076 --> 00:22:20,796
Speaker 2: We were like you're high, Like there's no possible way. Yeah,

450
00:22:20,796 --> 00:22:21,756
Speaker 2: we just didn't believe it.

451
00:22:22,236 --> 00:22:24,556
Speaker 1: Tom, I said that, Yeah, Tom, it.

452
00:22:24,516 --> 00:22:27,676
Speaker 2: Was yeah, it was all. Uh, it was just like

453
00:22:27,716 --> 00:22:29,796
Speaker 2: a dream, you know, you just never I don't know,

454
00:22:29,956 --> 00:22:31,836
Speaker 2: just waiting to be slapped and woke up.

455
00:22:31,916 --> 00:22:33,596
Speaker 1: You know, when did you realize they were right though?

456
00:22:33,676 --> 00:22:36,076
Speaker 1: The label was right? Like when did that finally set in?

457
00:22:36,716 --> 00:22:39,636
Speaker 2: I mean, everything was moving so fast. It was at

458
00:22:39,636 --> 00:22:41,596
Speaker 2: that time it was playing two or three shows a

459
00:22:41,676 --> 00:22:46,316
Speaker 2: day and flying from city to city. So we were

460
00:22:46,436 --> 00:22:50,076
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, this is our dream times ten come true,

461
00:22:50,156 --> 00:22:55,116
Speaker 2: so let's do it all. And we were unapologetically not

462
00:22:55,356 --> 00:22:59,116
Speaker 2: really switching shit around to be professional or doing anything else.

463
00:22:59,156 --> 00:23:00,636
Speaker 2: We were just we just kept on going like we

464
00:23:00,636 --> 00:23:04,636
Speaker 2: were as we should. I don't know. It wasn't really

465
00:23:05,236 --> 00:23:08,036
Speaker 2: formula or it's not like we changed what we were

466
00:23:08,076 --> 00:23:10,436
Speaker 2: doing or got in with the new producer or got

467
00:23:10,476 --> 00:23:13,756
Speaker 2: in and with writers and wrote songs with people. We

468
00:23:13,836 --> 00:23:16,796
Speaker 2: just kept being ourselves and doing what we did. I

469
00:23:16,796 --> 00:23:20,276
Speaker 2: think after Enema we did try to take ourselves a

470
00:23:20,276 --> 00:23:22,916
Speaker 2: little more seriously with like take up your pants and Jacket,

471
00:23:23,316 --> 00:23:28,476
Speaker 2: So it's a slightly darker album, a little more technical. Yeah,

472
00:23:28,516 --> 00:23:30,636
Speaker 2: but I think we really wanted to prove to everyone

473
00:23:30,756 --> 00:23:37,396
Speaker 2: we weren't this pop band that some people mistaked us

474
00:23:37,396 --> 00:23:39,316
Speaker 2: for a pop band because we made fun of all

475
00:23:39,316 --> 00:23:42,476
Speaker 2: the pop bands. Believe it or not, they never knew that.

476
00:23:42,516 --> 00:23:46,156
Speaker 2: We grew up like, you know, touring with the Descendants

477
00:23:46,236 --> 00:23:50,516
Speaker 2: or Penny Wise or whatever bands like playing punk shows.

478
00:23:50,516 --> 00:23:53,156
Speaker 2: They were like, they're the Backstreet Boys, but they played

479
00:23:53,156 --> 00:23:55,596
Speaker 2: guitars because the video where we made fun of the

480
00:23:55,596 --> 00:23:59,756
Speaker 2: Backstreet Boys and and sync. So that was really that

481
00:23:59,876 --> 00:24:00,356
Speaker 2: was weird.

482
00:24:00,396 --> 00:24:01,716
Speaker 1: That was that's.

483
00:24:01,596 --> 00:24:03,956
Speaker 2: Wild to think people didn't get the joke and they

484
00:24:03,956 --> 00:24:06,876
Speaker 2: thought we were that you know angers.

485
00:24:06,916 --> 00:24:10,156
Speaker 1: I guess you know too, like funny enough, Like it

486
00:24:10,196 --> 00:24:12,196
Speaker 1: was sort of you guys came along like the end

487
00:24:12,196 --> 00:24:14,916
Speaker 1: of like the like if like Nirvana broke things open

488
00:24:15,956 --> 00:24:17,796
Speaker 1: again for rock music. It's like you guys kind of

489
00:24:17,836 --> 00:24:20,796
Speaker 1: came out the end of that wave and it got eaten.

490
00:24:20,596 --> 00:24:24,876
Speaker 1: And when all like the infrastructure was built for like

491
00:24:24,956 --> 00:24:26,996
Speaker 1: the boy bands and stuff, so like all of a sudden,

492
00:24:27,036 --> 00:24:29,116
Speaker 1: you're on K rock and then you're on TRL like

493
00:24:29,156 --> 00:24:30,996
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like that's the only other

494
00:24:31,036 --> 00:24:33,556
Speaker 1: place to go with TRL with the Backstreet where the

495
00:24:33,556 --> 00:24:35,276
Speaker 1: Backs was on the next day or whatever, you know

496
00:24:35,316 --> 00:24:35,676
Speaker 1: what I mean.

497
00:24:35,916 --> 00:24:38,036
Speaker 2: Yeah, I try to think back to the time. It

498
00:24:38,076 --> 00:24:42,516
Speaker 2: was like Backstreet Boys and in Sync were popular, and

499
00:24:42,716 --> 00:24:46,036
Speaker 2: Blink was popular and like Limp Biscuit.

500
00:24:46,276 --> 00:24:46,756
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

501
00:24:47,236 --> 00:24:50,156
Speaker 2: It was a crazy time, you know. DMX. I remember

502
00:24:50,556 --> 00:24:52,916
Speaker 2: doing stuff in DMX was around, and I was like, oh,

503
00:24:53,036 --> 00:24:56,596
Speaker 2: DMX is so hard, you know, like I would be obsessed.

504
00:24:56,716 --> 00:24:59,916
Speaker 2: We'd be doing like MTV things with them whatever. So yeah,

505
00:24:59,956 --> 00:25:03,756
Speaker 2: it was like I guess it's natural to people to push,

506
00:25:03,956 --> 00:25:05,516
Speaker 2: you know, just kind of group things together.

507
00:25:05,716 --> 00:25:07,756
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's also where the DMX was as big

508
00:25:07,756 --> 00:25:10,116
Speaker 1: as he was, and you like think about it, like, yeah,

509
00:25:10,156 --> 00:25:11,556
Speaker 1: you know what I mean for him to also be

510
00:25:12,516 --> 00:25:14,716
Speaker 1: like put on the same bill as our show was

511
00:25:14,756 --> 00:25:16,276
Speaker 1: like a Britney space like what.

512
00:25:16,196 --> 00:25:19,396
Speaker 2: Like damn Max, Like it was like the height of MTV.

513
00:25:19,516 --> 00:25:20,156
Speaker 2: That's what they did.

514
00:25:20,276 --> 00:25:22,076
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, which is kind of fun, which is

515
00:25:22,116 --> 00:25:24,796
Speaker 1: cool fun. Yeah, you think about it now, it's like incredible.

516
00:25:24,796 --> 00:25:27,716
Speaker 1: There's so many weird little moments and yeah, and even

517
00:25:28,676 --> 00:25:30,916
Speaker 1: Brad from Rage, Yeah.

518
00:25:30,716 --> 00:25:33,596
Speaker 2: When I climbed the thing. Yeah, those were the days though,

519
00:25:33,596 --> 00:25:38,196
Speaker 2: man like MTV was jamming right then, you know it was.

520
00:25:38,356 --> 00:25:41,316
Speaker 2: It was really cool. That's like the first time I

521
00:25:41,356 --> 00:25:45,116
Speaker 2: met Wayne was an MTV show like with Hotboys, So

522
00:25:45,596 --> 00:25:46,036
Speaker 2: I don't know.

523
00:25:45,996 --> 00:25:49,716
Speaker 1: There was like like a Hotboys are Wayne Wow? Hard Wow.

524
00:25:50,316 --> 00:25:53,516
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was in Vegas and it was some MTV

525
00:25:54,596 --> 00:25:56,076
Speaker 2: I don't know, like you know how they used to

526
00:25:56,076 --> 00:25:58,236
Speaker 2: do spring Break, but it wasn't quite spring Break. It

527
00:25:58,316 --> 00:26:01,276
Speaker 2: was like at the hard Rock and Blink was playing

528
00:26:01,276 --> 00:26:03,596
Speaker 2: with Hot Boys, and I just remember like meeting Wayne,

529
00:26:03,596 --> 00:26:05,876
Speaker 2: like we said what's up to each other? And Wayne

530
00:26:06,036 --> 00:26:08,756
Speaker 2: was like sagging past like his boxer line, and I

531
00:26:08,796 --> 00:26:12,076
Speaker 2: was like hard, Like, you know. The good thing about

532
00:26:12,196 --> 00:26:15,716
Speaker 2: MTV and even radio shows and stuff when you play

533
00:26:15,756 --> 00:26:17,796
Speaker 2: them is you'd be around a bunch of bands you're

534
00:26:17,796 --> 00:26:23,876
Speaker 2: not normally around, which was cool. Yeah.

535
00:26:23,916 --> 00:26:26,836
Speaker 1: Hearing you talk about how it all happened in your

536
00:26:26,836 --> 00:26:29,956
Speaker 1: interpretation of it or how you experienced it like versus

537
00:26:29,996 --> 00:26:34,116
Speaker 1: like how it almost seemed planned just because it did

538
00:26:34,116 --> 00:26:36,796
Speaker 1: happen so fast. But then also it felt like you

539
00:26:36,916 --> 00:26:41,436
Speaker 1: guys were pretty had it together, like even having your

540
00:26:41,476 --> 00:26:44,076
Speaker 1: brand famous stars and straps, like I almost felt like

541
00:26:44,076 --> 00:26:45,596
Speaker 1: that was just ready to go, you know what I mean,

542
00:26:45,676 --> 00:26:48,076
Speaker 1: or maybe it was already happening anyways behind the scenes.

543
00:26:48,076 --> 00:26:51,236
Speaker 2: But now I was in a small little graffiti crew

544
00:26:51,316 --> 00:26:54,676
Speaker 2: called Vultron Crew, and we used to just get up

545
00:26:54,836 --> 00:26:59,156
Speaker 2: wherever out in the Empire where I lived. And then

546
00:26:59,276 --> 00:27:02,516
Speaker 2: one day I was like, man, it'd be cool if

547
00:27:02,556 --> 00:27:06,796
Speaker 2: we you know, no one's gonna buy our Vultron cruise shit,

548
00:27:06,996 --> 00:27:08,556
Speaker 2: you know that could they don't they can't wear it

549
00:27:08,636 --> 00:27:11,996
Speaker 2: or whatever. And at the time you were either skateboarding

550
00:27:12,316 --> 00:27:15,756
Speaker 2: or you were at the end of BMX, or you know,

551
00:27:15,836 --> 00:27:18,716
Speaker 2: you were like it was nostalgic and you'd love BMX,

552
00:27:19,356 --> 00:27:21,916
Speaker 2: or you'd listen to punk rock, or you'd love like

553
00:27:22,036 --> 00:27:24,996
Speaker 2: Wu Tang Clan. It was like jamming right then. But

554
00:27:25,036 --> 00:27:28,356
Speaker 2: there was nothing that was lifestyle for like kids or

555
00:27:28,836 --> 00:27:31,516
Speaker 2: for anyone that grew up. I grew up break dancing,

556
00:27:31,556 --> 00:27:33,516
Speaker 2: I grew up like listening to the Beastie Boys, but

557
00:27:33,556 --> 00:27:36,196
Speaker 2: I also grew up skateboarding and listening to Slayer. So

558
00:27:36,236 --> 00:27:38,116
Speaker 2: I was like, what if there was a brand that

559
00:27:38,236 --> 00:27:41,956
Speaker 2: just could represent it all? And that's when I started famous.

560
00:27:42,516 --> 00:27:49,276
Speaker 2: Actually didn't take a check from Audio and Hurley, who

561
00:27:49,716 --> 00:27:52,956
Speaker 2: were starting brands at the time. The shoe Yeah, and

562
00:27:52,996 --> 00:27:55,436
Speaker 2: they were like, you know, paying bands to wear their stuff.

563
00:27:56,036 --> 00:27:58,556
Speaker 2: I said no, and I said, I'm going to start

564
00:27:58,556 --> 00:28:00,996
Speaker 2: my own brandow. And that's how I started famous.

565
00:28:01,396 --> 00:28:01,716
Speaker 1: Wow.

566
00:28:02,556 --> 00:28:05,876
Speaker 2: I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't know obviously,

567
00:28:06,036 --> 00:28:08,476
Speaker 2: didn't think no it was gonna work or if it

568
00:28:08,516 --> 00:28:13,436
Speaker 2: was gonna work. Just took a risk and just started something,

569
00:28:13,556 --> 00:28:16,076
Speaker 2: just like how you start a band.

570
00:28:16,436 --> 00:28:18,276
Speaker 1: But that was that was as a mother state was

571
00:28:18,356 --> 00:28:18,836
Speaker 1: rolling out.

572
00:28:19,356 --> 00:28:22,516
Speaker 2: Yeah, right before I was just printing my own T shirts.

573
00:28:24,636 --> 00:28:27,276
Speaker 2: Had a little warehouse where I would like play and

574
00:28:27,516 --> 00:28:31,316
Speaker 2: people would I had a little it was before it

575
00:28:31,356 --> 00:28:33,396
Speaker 2: was a store, a little spot where all the bands

576
00:28:33,836 --> 00:28:36,356
Speaker 2: where I grew up could go and rehearse, and just

577
00:28:36,396 --> 00:28:40,276
Speaker 2: a little community, like a little collective. And then I

578
00:28:40,316 --> 00:28:43,556
Speaker 2: just started screenprinting T shirts out of there Wow, putting

579
00:28:43,596 --> 00:28:47,316
Speaker 2: them up everywhere I went. I'd just go skateboarding, leave

580
00:28:47,356 --> 00:28:51,316
Speaker 2: with a thousand stickers, come home with none. That was

581
00:28:51,316 --> 00:28:52,116
Speaker 2: how I started it.

582
00:28:52,236 --> 00:28:54,516
Speaker 1: What was Mark and Tom's read on it at the time?

583
00:28:54,516 --> 00:28:55,756
Speaker 1: Where were they even paying attention to that?

584
00:28:55,756 --> 00:28:57,996
Speaker 2: And they were like cool, You're like you know what

585
00:28:58,036 --> 00:29:02,436
Speaker 2: I mean? Like they would wear it too, and yeah,

586
00:29:02,476 --> 00:29:05,756
Speaker 2: it was just a reflection of what I was doing

587
00:29:06,836 --> 00:29:09,716
Speaker 2: where I was living, Like how I grew up. Combination

588
00:29:09,836 --> 00:29:14,396
Speaker 2: of skateboarding, punk rock, hip hop, tattoos was just like

589
00:29:14,436 --> 00:29:18,276
Speaker 2: a lifestyle brand. Yeah, because I felt I at the

590
00:29:18,316 --> 00:29:21,956
Speaker 2: time Bob Hurley had started Bob Hurley who was He

591
00:29:22,116 --> 00:29:25,116
Speaker 2: was the person who owned the license for Billabong and

592
00:29:25,196 --> 00:29:28,436
Speaker 2: I loved Bob, but I was in a surfer I

593
00:29:28,476 --> 00:29:30,116
Speaker 2: surfed a little bit when I was a trash man

594
00:29:30,156 --> 00:29:32,756
Speaker 2: in Laguna, but I couldn't call myself a surfer or

595
00:29:32,796 --> 00:29:37,356
Speaker 2: I feel comfortable wearing surf gear. You know. I wasn't

596
00:29:37,396 --> 00:29:41,476
Speaker 2: quite skateboarding all the time, and skateboarding has always been

597
00:29:41,676 --> 00:29:46,036
Speaker 2: very really strict if you're not like a hardcore.

598
00:29:45,636 --> 00:29:48,556
Speaker 1: Skateboarder, like punk rock just like you're a skateboarder.

599
00:29:48,636 --> 00:29:50,316
Speaker 2: So I'm like, yeah, I grew up skateboarding, but I

600
00:29:50,316 --> 00:29:53,916
Speaker 2: feel kind of weird just wearing like hardcore skate stuff.

601
00:29:53,916 --> 00:29:58,116
Speaker 2: And that's why I started famous, and I felt like

602
00:29:58,156 --> 00:30:00,276
Speaker 2: it just embodied everything I loved.

603
00:30:00,396 --> 00:30:02,356
Speaker 1: Wow, And are you still involved with it, dad, like

604
00:30:02,436 --> 00:30:03,356
Speaker 1: day to day and all that?

605
00:30:03,516 --> 00:30:03,796
Speaker 2: Yeah?

606
00:30:03,836 --> 00:30:04,156
Speaker 1: Wow.

607
00:30:04,356 --> 00:30:07,916
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had built it to this huge place and

608
00:30:08,876 --> 00:30:11,796
Speaker 2: it was it was like out of control for me.

609
00:30:12,076 --> 00:30:15,676
Speaker 2: I had no education in how how to build a

610
00:30:15,676 --> 00:30:18,156
Speaker 2: brand or manage a brand. Once it was built, it

611
00:30:18,276 --> 00:30:22,036
Speaker 2: was a sixty seventy million dollar brand, and I was

612
00:30:22,076 --> 00:30:26,156
Speaker 2: getting offers from Tommy Hill figure like Puff called at

613
00:30:26,156 --> 00:30:27,876
Speaker 2: one point was like, yeah, I want to buy your brand,

614
00:30:27,876 --> 00:30:31,196
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no fucking way is anyone buying my

615
00:30:31,236 --> 00:30:33,236
Speaker 2: brand because I know what they're going to do to it.

616
00:30:33,276 --> 00:30:36,116
Speaker 2: And it's not like it's my it's something it's really

617
00:30:36,156 --> 00:30:38,076
Speaker 2: precious to me, you know what I mean that I

618
00:30:38,196 --> 00:30:42,676
Speaker 2: built with this little crew of people that I mean,

619
00:30:42,676 --> 00:30:44,916
Speaker 2: that's why people build brands now, right, is to like

620
00:30:45,036 --> 00:30:47,756
Speaker 2: sell it off. But I was so passionate about it

621
00:30:47,796 --> 00:30:52,676
Speaker 2: and it was my DNA that I just couldn't let

622
00:30:52,676 --> 00:30:53,476
Speaker 2: go of it.

623
00:30:53,476 --> 00:30:55,676
Speaker 1: It's so wild. It's just wild that you had like

624
00:30:55,756 --> 00:30:58,436
Speaker 1: the prescien It's like you kint like I mean, I'm

625
00:30:58,476 --> 00:31:00,676
Speaker 1: sure you've heard it a million times, but similar to

626
00:31:00,876 --> 00:31:04,796
Speaker 1: you know, you know you're married into the Kardashian family now,

627
00:31:05,196 --> 00:31:08,556
Speaker 1: but like you kind of like and they're obviously business geniuses.

628
00:31:09,116 --> 00:31:11,716
Speaker 1: I had that playbook just by intuition early on. You know,

629
00:31:11,996 --> 00:31:14,516
Speaker 1: it seems like it just came natural, like brand extension

630
00:31:14,516 --> 00:31:17,836
Speaker 1: of you TV show music. It just it felt like

631
00:31:18,796 --> 00:31:20,716
Speaker 1: you were kind of owning all your lanes, which is

632
00:31:21,636 --> 00:31:23,516
Speaker 1: was It's like that now, it's like, of course, like

633
00:31:23,556 --> 00:31:26,396
Speaker 1: that's the plan everyone runs, but you just sort of

634
00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:27,356
Speaker 1: lucked into.

635
00:31:27,236 --> 00:31:29,436
Speaker 2: It, and I have a hard time. Like I'm very

636
00:31:29,436 --> 00:31:32,676
Speaker 2: different too than them. The girls are so smart and

637
00:31:32,756 --> 00:31:36,716
Speaker 2: like my wife and her sisters are. They're yeah, they're

638
00:31:36,756 --> 00:31:40,276
Speaker 2: they're the best, and they have cool brands and stuff.

639
00:31:40,396 --> 00:31:44,956
Speaker 2: Mine came from a self expression creative outlet. Yeah, so

640
00:31:44,996 --> 00:31:48,716
Speaker 2: I never thought I had no business sense really. You know,

641
00:31:49,836 --> 00:31:54,156
Speaker 2: it was making money, but I was just as much

642
00:31:54,196 --> 00:31:55,796
Speaker 2: as it was making money, I had to put money

643
00:31:55,796 --> 00:31:58,076
Speaker 2: back into it to go make the product, to fulfill

644
00:31:58,116 --> 00:32:00,596
Speaker 2: the orders. And it's just me and my homies, like

645
00:32:00,636 --> 00:32:03,076
Speaker 2: we don't know what the fuck we're doing. We're in

646
00:32:03,116 --> 00:32:06,516
Speaker 2: over our head. I'm hiring childhood friends to help me.

647
00:32:06,636 --> 00:32:10,556
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure it out, you know. So

648
00:32:10,596 --> 00:32:13,276
Speaker 2: that's that's kind of like where I came from with

649
00:32:13,476 --> 00:32:17,556
Speaker 2: doing it, and I've learned over the years it's something

650
00:32:17,676 --> 00:32:22,196
Speaker 2: that's easier to maintain if it's like more core, and

651
00:32:22,276 --> 00:32:23,996
Speaker 2: I kind of don't want it to get too out

652
00:32:23,996 --> 00:32:24,836
Speaker 2: of control, you know.

653
00:32:25,076 --> 00:32:27,796
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing, man, I'm Glad it's still around, Glad

654
00:32:27,956 --> 00:32:31,436
Speaker 1: to sell it and feels like it's bigger than ever though,

655
00:32:31,476 --> 00:32:31,956
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

656
00:32:32,076 --> 00:32:35,436
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I'm very grateful and it's just feels

657
00:32:35,556 --> 00:32:36,316
Speaker 2: authentic to me.

658
00:32:36,796 --> 00:32:40,276
Speaker 1: You know, how was the label experience early on where

659
00:32:40,316 --> 00:32:42,676
Speaker 1: you started your own LaSalle? Yeah?

660
00:32:42,836 --> 00:32:46,676
Speaker 2: I remember I signed The kinnison and I was super into.

661
00:32:46,516 --> 00:32:50,876
Speaker 1: The Kinnison's first EP that is Mortgage or Mortgagees, Mortgages

662
00:32:50,956 --> 00:32:52,756
Speaker 1: Bank or whatever it was called. It was incredible and

663
00:32:52,756 --> 00:32:55,316
Speaker 1: I remember hearing like, oh, Travis Barker signed them have

664
00:32:55,356 --> 00:32:57,236
Speaker 1: to do an album. I was like, woh shit, And

665
00:32:57,276 --> 00:32:58,396
Speaker 1: that was a great album too, you.

666
00:32:58,356 --> 00:33:01,516
Speaker 2: Know, thank you. Yeah, they're great. Yeah, I mean it

667
00:33:01,596 --> 00:33:06,836
Speaker 2: was around the time Blink was going crazy and different

668
00:33:06,836 --> 00:33:09,876
Speaker 2: people approached me for different like business ideas and yo,

669
00:33:09,956 --> 00:33:13,556
Speaker 2: you want to start a label. But yeah, I signed

670
00:33:14,116 --> 00:33:16,836
Speaker 2: the Kinnison, the Nervous Return, got to take some of

671
00:33:16,876 --> 00:33:19,156
Speaker 2: them on tour with me. It was a lot of fun.

672
00:33:20,396 --> 00:33:22,476
Speaker 2: I now have DTA Records and I just signed this

673
00:33:22,556 --> 00:33:26,316
Speaker 2: band called the Vanity that are really really great vanity

674
00:33:26,316 --> 00:33:31,036
Speaker 2: band and yeah, a female fronted singer names Billy. She's there.

675
00:33:31,036 --> 00:33:36,076
Speaker 2: They're awesome. They're like David Bowie. Queen meets Mike Kim

676
00:33:36,236 --> 00:33:38,956
Speaker 2: panic at the disco, but like female fronted and she's

677
00:33:39,516 --> 00:33:40,756
Speaker 2: like a star. She's awesome.

678
00:33:40,796 --> 00:33:42,036
Speaker 1: That's rad. Are you producing them?

679
00:33:42,396 --> 00:33:46,196
Speaker 2: No? I I love what they're doing all by themselves.

680
00:33:46,196 --> 00:33:48,196
Speaker 1: Cool. Yeah, hands off that.

681
00:33:48,396 --> 00:33:51,076
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love, I love. I love what's happening right now.

682
00:33:51,156 --> 00:33:51,596
Speaker 1: That's raight.

683
00:33:51,756 --> 00:33:52,396
Speaker 2: Yeah.

684
00:33:52,476 --> 00:33:56,076
Speaker 1: I'm curious about you your work as a producer, and

685
00:33:56,076 --> 00:33:59,476
Speaker 1: like how that you've grown into that. It feels like

686
00:33:59,516 --> 00:34:02,156
Speaker 1: that also started started. It's funny because it started more

687
00:34:02,156 --> 00:34:04,716
Speaker 1: on rap, right, Like, Yeah.

688
00:34:04,756 --> 00:34:08,796
Speaker 2: I got Skinhead Rob around the time of the Transplants

689
00:34:08,836 --> 00:34:12,116
Speaker 2: hit me, and he said, Bun Bun needs a beat

690
00:34:12,156 --> 00:34:18,276
Speaker 2: for his album. Yeah, and I'm like okay, And I said,

691
00:34:18,316 --> 00:34:21,116
Speaker 2: well ship Rob. Uh, he's gonna send me a beat

692
00:34:21,116 --> 00:34:22,916
Speaker 2: and he just needs drums. He's like, nah, he wants

693
00:34:22,916 --> 00:34:25,356
Speaker 2: you to do the beat. Uh, you got to turn

694
00:34:25,396 --> 00:34:30,316
Speaker 2: it in tomorrow. So I just locked in and I

695
00:34:30,316 --> 00:34:32,436
Speaker 2: if you listen, it's called Late Night Creeping. It's on

696
00:34:32,916 --> 00:34:38,796
Speaker 2: like Bun's solo album and uh, and I I figured

697
00:34:38,796 --> 00:34:43,476
Speaker 2: out how to make a beat with mostly organic like drum,

698
00:34:43,876 --> 00:34:47,756
Speaker 2: drums and percussion. Uh, and then got a nine O

699
00:34:47,916 --> 00:34:50,276
Speaker 2: nine and just added some other things in there in

700
00:34:50,276 --> 00:34:53,356
Speaker 2: some sense. But I delivered bun a beat you know,

701
00:34:53,436 --> 00:34:55,996
Speaker 2: the next day, and he wrapped on it and it

702
00:34:56,036 --> 00:34:58,116
Speaker 2: was it was killer. I was like stoked. And then

703
00:34:59,276 --> 00:35:03,636
Speaker 2: from there it was I don't know, just everyone whoever

704
00:35:03,676 --> 00:35:06,916
Speaker 2: won the beats, like like skinhed Rob and Dammu had

705
00:35:07,116 --> 00:35:10,156
Speaker 2: a project and I did all their stuff. Uh did

706
00:35:10,196 --> 00:35:12,396
Speaker 2: stuff with like too Short, did stuff with Wayne, did

707
00:35:12,436 --> 00:35:14,956
Speaker 2: stuff with Game. It just that's all I was into

708
00:35:14,996 --> 00:35:16,796
Speaker 2: at the time, you know, I think Blink was taking

709
00:35:16,796 --> 00:35:22,956
Speaker 2: a break, so I was either playing with like different artists,

710
00:35:23,076 --> 00:35:27,836
Speaker 2: like played like the bet Awards with t I uh and.

711
00:35:27,916 --> 00:35:29,956
Speaker 1: Produced on his on his second album.

712
00:35:30,196 --> 00:35:30,356
Speaker 2: Yeah.

713
00:35:30,396 --> 00:35:30,956
Speaker 1: Yeah.

714
00:35:31,076 --> 00:35:34,236
Speaker 2: And when I wasn't out playing with artists or playing

715
00:35:34,236 --> 00:35:36,076
Speaker 2: with am at the time, I'd be like making beats.

716
00:35:36,076 --> 00:35:38,916
Speaker 2: I'd just be locked in twenty four to seven making beats.

717
00:35:39,036 --> 00:35:39,916
Speaker 1: That's so funny.

718
00:35:39,996 --> 00:35:40,356
Speaker 2: Yeah.

719
00:35:40,476 --> 00:35:42,516
Speaker 1: When's the first time he produced a rock band.

720
00:35:42,956 --> 00:35:45,356
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but it seemed so on the nose.

721
00:35:45,396 --> 00:35:47,876
Speaker 2: I didn't do it for a long time. Yeah, Uh,

722
00:35:49,116 --> 00:35:52,636
Speaker 2: I think the first time I did it was I

723
00:35:52,676 --> 00:35:57,356
Speaker 2: helped I helped Kels MGK with uh. I think I'm okay.

724
00:35:57,916 --> 00:36:00,796
Speaker 2: And then he was like yo, can we get in

725
00:36:00,836 --> 00:36:02,756
Speaker 2: and see if we could do that again and see

726
00:36:02,756 --> 00:36:04,756
Speaker 2: if it works if I got more in me? And

727
00:36:04,836 --> 00:36:07,836
Speaker 2: we did, and that's when we wrote Bloody Valentine and

728
00:36:08,076 --> 00:36:12,356
Speaker 2: we uh started on what would be Tickets to My Downfall.

729
00:36:12,556 --> 00:36:15,876
Speaker 1: Wow, that's the first time you produced rock music.

730
00:36:16,036 --> 00:36:18,436
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was more interesting to me to do

731
00:36:18,516 --> 00:36:20,996
Speaker 2: something I didn't do all the time, right, and it

732
00:36:21,116 --> 00:36:23,796
Speaker 2: just seemed too easy or too on the nose, not

733
00:36:23,916 --> 00:36:27,716
Speaker 2: sounding like like cocky, It just seemed like I don't know,

734
00:36:27,756 --> 00:36:28,996
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to do that or

735
00:36:29,396 --> 00:36:32,156
Speaker 2: people want me to do that, meaning like do they

736
00:36:32,156 --> 00:36:34,396
Speaker 2: want me to do anything that's so close to like

737
00:36:34,436 --> 00:36:38,276
Speaker 2: what my band does for other people, you know? And

738
00:36:38,316 --> 00:36:40,156
Speaker 2: then I did it and I loved it, Like Tickets

739
00:36:40,156 --> 00:36:44,316
Speaker 2: to My Downfall was like my like a project. I

740
00:36:44,356 --> 00:36:47,636
Speaker 2: loved like it was my own Winkels. And same time

741
00:36:47,676 --> 00:36:49,716
Speaker 2: around the time of COVID where we just locked in

742
00:36:49,756 --> 00:36:55,076
Speaker 2: and zero distractions and felt like made an incredible body

743
00:36:55,116 --> 00:36:55,476
Speaker 2: of work.

744
00:36:55,636 --> 00:36:57,476
Speaker 1: And since then you have been doing like a bunch

745
00:36:57,516 --> 00:37:00,396
Speaker 1: of like bands as well. And the Blink the Last

746
00:37:00,396 --> 00:37:01,196
Speaker 1: Blink record.

747
00:37:01,116 --> 00:37:05,036
Speaker 2: Yeah, I produced the Last Blink record produce an Alkaline

748
00:37:05,116 --> 00:37:09,316
Speaker 2: ep had just finished their album, Did a Yellow Card album?

749
00:37:09,796 --> 00:37:12,836
Speaker 2: Did a horror album? Yeah? A bunch of stuff.

750
00:37:12,836 --> 00:37:14,996
Speaker 1: It's rad Are you doing the new Blink album too?

751
00:37:15,116 --> 00:37:17,316
Speaker 2: Or we haven't even started yet. I think we're just

752
00:37:17,356 --> 00:37:20,116
Speaker 2: gonna start writing and see what happens.

753
00:37:20,596 --> 00:37:23,276
Speaker 1: What are the songs floating around or like from the

754
00:37:23,356 --> 00:37:24,316
Speaker 1: last album or anything?

755
00:37:24,436 --> 00:37:28,236
Speaker 2: Or there isn't There's a couple that I had pitched,

756
00:37:28,676 --> 00:37:31,316
Speaker 2: like to the guys, but they ended up. You know,

757
00:37:31,356 --> 00:37:34,116
Speaker 2: when like I have stuff sitting around and I play

758
00:37:34,196 --> 00:37:36,196
Speaker 2: for someone and then if it doesn't, if we don't

759
00:37:36,236 --> 00:37:39,796
Speaker 2: use it for a Blink album, I automatically none of

760
00:37:39,836 --> 00:37:42,876
Speaker 2: the top line usually, but everything else I bring to

761
00:37:42,916 --> 00:37:45,756
Speaker 2: another project I'm doing. So on the Yellow Card album,

762
00:37:45,756 --> 00:37:49,676
Speaker 2: there's three songs that would have been Blink songs. Damn Yeah.

763
00:37:49,796 --> 00:37:51,396
Speaker 1: Did they hear them after? Did they hear him on

764
00:37:51,396 --> 00:37:52,316
Speaker 1: the Yellow Card album? No?

765
00:37:53,716 --> 00:37:56,756
Speaker 2: One of them. Actually Mark guested on it because Mark's like,

766
00:37:56,796 --> 00:37:58,556
Speaker 2: I love that song. So Mark guested on it.

767
00:37:58,596 --> 00:38:00,036
Speaker 1: Why didn't it Why wasn't it a Blink song?

768
00:38:00,756 --> 00:38:04,676
Speaker 2: Just sometimes you know, for whatever reason, I don't know

769
00:38:04,676 --> 00:38:07,356
Speaker 2: if it was the end of the writing cycle and

770
00:38:07,516 --> 00:38:11,876
Speaker 2: we were just done recording or whatever happened, But Yeah, I.

771
00:38:11,916 --> 00:38:13,716
Speaker 1: Was working with Did you did you learn much from

772
00:38:13,756 --> 00:38:16,716
Speaker 1: Jerry Finn because he was like, learned so much from him. Yeah,

773
00:38:16,796 --> 00:38:17,476
Speaker 1: tell me about that.

774
00:38:17,596 --> 00:38:19,596
Speaker 2: I was never in my head thinking I was ever

775
00:38:19,636 --> 00:38:22,596
Speaker 2: going to produce or I could even be capable of producing.

776
00:38:23,356 --> 00:38:26,796
Speaker 2: But while he was alive and while I spent time

777
00:38:26,836 --> 00:38:28,796
Speaker 2: with him, there was so many things I learned just

778
00:38:28,836 --> 00:38:31,276
Speaker 2: from being in the studio with them, you know, everything

779
00:38:31,316 --> 00:38:34,356
Speaker 2: from like he was very adamant about what snare drum

780
00:38:34,396 --> 00:38:38,316
Speaker 2: you used on on what songs and how to how

781
00:38:38,396 --> 00:38:41,396
Speaker 2: to find the snare drum for what tempo the song

782
00:38:41,556 --> 00:38:46,356
Speaker 2: was was really big. Guitar sounds and guitars were really

783
00:38:46,356 --> 00:38:50,276
Speaker 2: big arrangement ideas. Jerry was awesome.

784
00:38:50,036 --> 00:38:51,556
Speaker 1: From the first album you did with them, from Undom

785
00:38:51,596 --> 00:38:53,396
Speaker 1: on the stage. Yeah, were you with the band when

786
00:38:53,436 --> 00:38:54,236
Speaker 1: you guys hired him?

787
00:38:55,236 --> 00:38:58,116
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I got in the band they were touring

788
00:38:58,196 --> 00:39:02,356
Speaker 2: Dude Ranch And it's a different, I mean different style

789
00:39:02,396 --> 00:39:04,636
Speaker 2: of producing because all with the band, most of the

790
00:39:04,716 --> 00:39:07,916
Speaker 2: songs were already written right and during that time bands

791
00:39:08,156 --> 00:39:10,276
Speaker 2: you would write all your songs in a rehearsal studio,

792
00:39:10,676 --> 00:39:12,636
Speaker 2: have them well rehearsed, then go in the studio and

793
00:39:12,676 --> 00:39:15,116
Speaker 2: record them in of the State. I think that was

794
00:39:15,156 --> 00:39:18,996
Speaker 2: the album where I went in. I did the drums

795
00:39:19,116 --> 00:39:22,676
Speaker 2: in about six or seven hours, and then I left

796
00:39:22,716 --> 00:39:24,876
Speaker 2: on a tour with the Vandals to go play drums

797
00:39:24,876 --> 00:39:26,996
Speaker 2: for the Vandals, and then for the next two months

798
00:39:26,996 --> 00:39:30,716
Speaker 2: three months, Tom and Mark recorded guitars, bass, and vocals.

799
00:39:30,996 --> 00:39:33,276
Speaker 2: But the songs were already written. It's just a matter

800
00:39:33,316 --> 00:39:34,796
Speaker 2: of getting your performances right.

801
00:39:35,196 --> 00:39:36,356
Speaker 1: So you were able to do it in six or

802
00:39:36,396 --> 00:39:36,916
Speaker 1: seven hours.

803
00:39:36,916 --> 00:39:40,756
Speaker 2: All the drum tracking, yeah, because you would sometimes even

804
00:39:40,796 --> 00:39:43,196
Speaker 2: switch studios to do guitars because you don't need the

805
00:39:43,276 --> 00:39:46,876
Speaker 2: drum room anymore, right, So yeah, I would drink a

806
00:39:46,876 --> 00:39:49,956
Speaker 2: bunch of coffee, smoke a bunch of cigarettes, and yeah,

807
00:39:50,436 --> 00:39:51,356
Speaker 2: record my drum parts.

808
00:39:51,396 --> 00:39:53,796
Speaker 1: You're jamming on that album? Yeah, man, like you're driving

809
00:39:53,836 --> 00:39:54,236
Speaker 1: on that one.

810
00:39:54,316 --> 00:39:56,196
Speaker 2: That was such a fun album, and I think I

811
00:39:56,236 --> 00:39:58,516
Speaker 2: wanted to be extra good. I mean, I knew Jerry

812
00:39:58,596 --> 00:40:01,196
Speaker 2: Finn's producing it or recording it like I did. I

813
00:40:01,236 --> 00:40:03,716
Speaker 2: didn't even understand what producer was at that point. I

814
00:40:03,756 --> 00:40:06,156
Speaker 2: was just like, Yo, I'm gonna go in and kill it.

815
00:40:06,156 --> 00:40:10,276
Speaker 2: It's also it's my first album I record with the guys.

816
00:40:10,356 --> 00:40:10,556
Speaker 1: You know.

817
00:40:10,636 --> 00:40:13,116
Speaker 2: I wanted to be on my A game.

818
00:40:13,316 --> 00:40:20,756
Speaker 1: Yeah, listening back to listening back to back to a

819
00:40:20,756 --> 00:40:25,036
Speaker 1: bunch of blink, there are parts of big songs, even

820
00:40:25,036 --> 00:40:26,916
Speaker 1: like what's My Age Again, and all the small things.

821
00:40:26,916 --> 00:40:30,036
Speaker 1: Listening back, there's like the breakdowns and the pre courses

822
00:40:30,716 --> 00:40:32,316
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily the first things I think of when I

823
00:40:32,316 --> 00:40:34,036
Speaker 1: think of those songs, But listening back, I'm like, wow,

824
00:40:34,076 --> 00:40:36,276
Speaker 1: those are a big part of each of those songs,

825
00:40:36,316 --> 00:40:38,596
Speaker 1: and you really are doing a lot to carry those

826
00:40:38,636 --> 00:40:42,156
Speaker 1: sections rhythmically, Like there's a lot of interesting stuff happening.

827
00:40:42,476 --> 00:40:45,756
Speaker 1: And once My Age again, Like the bridge is actually

828
00:40:45,836 --> 00:40:49,196
Speaker 1: kind of like kind of sad. It's almost like sad,

829
00:40:49,236 --> 00:40:51,476
Speaker 1: like an Adam song sad. Yeah, the rest of the

830
00:40:51,476 --> 00:40:53,956
Speaker 1: song is like really, I actually never really noticed since

831
00:40:53,956 --> 00:40:55,316
Speaker 1: I was listening to talk to you. I was like,

832
00:40:55,556 --> 00:40:57,516
Speaker 1: it's a really weird song in that way, like it's

833
00:40:57,716 --> 00:41:00,356
Speaker 1: super like funny and upbeat and like whatever, and then

834
00:41:00,396 --> 00:41:03,636
Speaker 1: it's just like there's this really kind of sad bridge

835
00:41:03,636 --> 00:41:04,196
Speaker 1: out of nowhere.

836
00:41:04,356 --> 00:41:08,196
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well because it is instrumental, and instrumental bridge

837
00:41:09,516 --> 00:41:12,956
Speaker 2: just musical and it's a downbridge, so it gets quiet

838
00:41:12,956 --> 00:41:15,916
Speaker 2: and it's like kind of pretty sad chords and then

839
00:41:15,956 --> 00:41:19,276
Speaker 2: it goes back to being happy again. Yeah, and all

840
00:41:19,276 --> 00:41:24,796
Speaker 2: the small things is yeah. I mean sometimes they gave

841
00:41:24,836 --> 00:41:30,356
Speaker 2: me a lot of freedom to just experiment because they

842
00:41:30,396 --> 00:41:32,756
Speaker 2: would usually say like, look, we're not gonna do guitar

843
00:41:32,796 --> 00:41:34,876
Speaker 2: solos and we don't know what happens in this part.

844
00:41:34,956 --> 00:41:38,916
Speaker 2: Just do something cool, do something weird, you know. Tom

845
00:41:38,956 --> 00:41:42,436
Speaker 2: would say, do some of that crazy shit whatever, and

846
00:41:42,476 --> 00:41:46,996
Speaker 2: that usually meant do something offbeat or some Latin inspired

847
00:41:47,276 --> 00:41:50,436
Speaker 2: groove or whatever. You know. Yeah, and it was exciting

848
00:41:50,516 --> 00:41:53,956
Speaker 2: for me because I grew up playing, like, you know,

849
00:41:54,036 --> 00:41:57,996
Speaker 2: studying Latin music and learning Boston nova's and sambas and

850
00:41:58,036 --> 00:42:01,236
Speaker 2: whatever else. So I would incorporate that into Blink songs,

851
00:42:01,276 --> 00:42:04,436
Speaker 2: you know, dys and Terry Gary is Latin drums, you know,

852
00:42:05,516 --> 00:42:08,876
Speaker 2: which was just me, you know, Tom going do crazy

853
00:42:08,876 --> 00:42:11,316
Speaker 2: shit and I'm like, okay, Tom, here's some Latin stuff whatever.

854
00:42:11,436 --> 00:42:12,956
Speaker 1: Did you think that they would keep that stuff or

855
00:42:12,996 --> 00:42:14,836
Speaker 1: that that would work on those songs necessarily?

856
00:42:14,836 --> 00:42:17,676
Speaker 2: Even Yeah, I mean everything was written, so I knew

857
00:42:18,156 --> 00:42:21,516
Speaker 2: in the rehearsal room they'd be like, oh, yeah, that's fire,

858
00:42:21,756 --> 00:42:23,876
Speaker 2: do that, that's cool, you know, So I knew that

859
00:42:23,916 --> 00:42:26,956
Speaker 2: was like my party, you know. Yeah, it's it's so

860
00:42:27,036 --> 00:42:29,116
Speaker 2: different now because a lot of people will write in

861
00:42:29,196 --> 00:42:32,356
Speaker 2: the studio. You're writing in the studio, you're creating, and

862
00:42:32,396 --> 00:42:33,876
Speaker 2: you're kind of doing it just like you would in

863
00:42:33,916 --> 00:42:38,076
Speaker 2: a rehearsal room, but it's straight to pro tools or

864
00:42:38,076 --> 00:42:43,036
Speaker 2: however you're recording. I'm still a big believer in playing though,

865
00:42:43,356 --> 00:42:46,676
Speaker 2: like playing all together, because you could you could pretend

866
00:42:46,716 --> 00:42:49,676
Speaker 2: you know the arrangement or how things go and record

867
00:42:49,716 --> 00:42:53,436
Speaker 2: it into pro tools and all play separate, or you

868
00:42:53,436 --> 00:42:56,156
Speaker 2: could actually play all together and figure out the song

869
00:42:56,236 --> 00:42:59,036
Speaker 2: way quicker because you feel what's right, and you feel

870
00:42:59,076 --> 00:43:01,836
Speaker 2: what's not right. You feel when parts go on too long,

871
00:43:01,876 --> 00:43:05,756
Speaker 2: you feel when tempos are off. And I love that.

872
00:43:06,196 --> 00:43:08,156
Speaker 1: That's rad I want. I want to ask you what

873
00:43:08,196 --> 00:43:10,196
Speaker 1: to take off your pants? And Jack too. But when

874
00:43:10,236 --> 00:43:11,836
Speaker 1: I was listening him back at the thought because I

875
00:43:11,876 --> 00:43:14,956
Speaker 1: always love the song Aliens Exist. But when when Tom

876
00:43:15,076 --> 00:43:17,316
Speaker 1: brought that song in at the time, were you aware

877
00:43:17,396 --> 00:43:18,876
Speaker 1: that he was as into aliens?

878
00:43:19,596 --> 00:43:22,316
Speaker 2: Yeah, from from the from the jump. When I when

879
00:43:22,356 --> 00:43:24,796
Speaker 2: I first got in the band, we would he'd be

880
00:43:24,996 --> 00:43:27,796
Speaker 2: we'd get high and he'd be like, come sit on

881
00:43:27,836 --> 00:43:29,396
Speaker 2: the couch and the bus let's look out the window

882
00:43:30,436 --> 00:43:32,676
Speaker 2: and we'd be looking for aliens on tour, you know,

883
00:43:33,076 --> 00:43:36,596
Speaker 2: like or he'd be telling me he was always doing

884
00:43:36,636 --> 00:43:41,316
Speaker 2: deep dives and aliens and UFOs and Bigfoot. That's from

885
00:43:41,316 --> 00:43:44,556
Speaker 2: the jump, like from nineteen ninety nine when I joined

886
00:43:44,556 --> 00:43:45,116
Speaker 2: the band.

887
00:43:45,676 --> 00:43:48,716
Speaker 1: Was it and we like just humoring him from the beginning.

888
00:43:48,756 --> 00:43:51,396
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I feel like it was a little

889
00:43:51,476 --> 00:43:57,316
Speaker 2: easier for me to, uh to just like entertain it

890
00:43:57,316 --> 00:44:00,916
Speaker 2: because I was high, you know so, But yeah, I

891
00:44:00,956 --> 00:44:03,156
Speaker 2: mean to this day, to this day, I could see

892
00:44:03,236 --> 00:44:05,516
Speaker 2: him ten minutes before we go on, and that's what

893
00:44:05,556 --> 00:44:06,476
Speaker 2: he's talking to me about.

894
00:44:08,796 --> 00:44:12,756
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible. Yeah, I wish man, I wish I could.

895
00:44:12,916 --> 00:44:14,276
Speaker 1: I wish I could take that ride, you know.

896
00:44:14,516 --> 00:44:18,876
Speaker 2: Yeah. He's like, I love mixed martial arts and like

897
00:44:18,956 --> 00:44:22,516
Speaker 2: that's my escape from music. Not like I need an escape,

898
00:44:22,516 --> 00:44:24,316
Speaker 2: but it's just like that breadth of fresh air that

899
00:44:24,756 --> 00:44:28,916
Speaker 2: it everything from, like the discipline and the hard work

900
00:44:28,916 --> 00:44:32,236
Speaker 2: that goes into it and the competitiveness everything. I love everything.

901
00:44:32,436 --> 00:44:34,476
Speaker 2: That's how aliens are for him, you know what I mean.

902
00:44:34,716 --> 00:44:36,316
Speaker 1: The funny thing is, though, like I feel like martial

903
00:44:36,356 --> 00:44:38,676
Speaker 1: arts is like whatever you're practicing in martial arts, it

904
00:44:38,756 --> 00:44:40,876
Speaker 1: kind of transfers to music too, like, yeah, it helps

905
00:44:41,356 --> 00:44:43,956
Speaker 1: the rhythm whatever the alien shit is.

906
00:44:43,996 --> 00:44:47,956
Speaker 2: Just yeah, yeah, it's wild.

907
00:44:48,116 --> 00:44:50,676
Speaker 1: That's so funny, man, take Off your Pants and Jacket

908
00:44:50,716 --> 00:44:52,476
Speaker 1: you kind of alluded to how you guys wanted to

909
00:44:52,836 --> 00:44:55,196
Speaker 1: do something a little different for that, But listening back

910
00:44:55,236 --> 00:44:57,636
Speaker 1: after like having not listened to it in a while,

911
00:44:57,716 --> 00:45:01,956
Speaker 1: I was shocked at like how many incredibly great hooky

912
00:45:02,276 --> 00:45:04,956
Speaker 1: songs you guys came out like back around with like

913
00:45:05,156 --> 00:45:07,956
Speaker 1: I mean almost immediately, you know, like and it's probably

914
00:45:07,956 --> 00:45:10,956
Speaker 1: a stronger album than this, but it has all of

915
00:45:10,996 --> 00:45:14,996
Speaker 1: the it retains all of the I think everything that

916
00:45:15,236 --> 00:45:17,996
Speaker 1: hooked everyone about that album and then just like took

917
00:45:18,036 --> 00:45:18,956
Speaker 1: it to the next level.

918
00:45:19,516 --> 00:45:23,036
Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, I think yeah. That was the pressure

919
00:45:23,076 --> 00:45:25,876
Speaker 2: of recording Take Off Your Pants is can you guys

920
00:45:25,876 --> 00:45:27,716
Speaker 2: do it again? Can you follow up? And will it

921
00:45:27,756 --> 00:45:31,356
Speaker 2: be as big or bigger? The story is is we

922
00:45:31,556 --> 00:45:34,796
Speaker 2: turned in the album and it didn't have First Date

923
00:45:34,836 --> 00:45:36,876
Speaker 2: on it, it didn't have rock Show, it didn't have

924
00:45:36,956 --> 00:45:41,756
Speaker 2: Stay Together, and everyone was kind of looking at a

925
00:45:41,836 --> 00:45:44,876
Speaker 2: sideways being like yo, where's the hits? Like where's the

926
00:45:44,876 --> 00:45:47,156
Speaker 2: what's my age again? Where's the all the small things?

927
00:45:47,756 --> 00:45:50,476
Speaker 2: So we literally went in two days later came out

928
00:45:50,516 --> 00:45:55,076
Speaker 2: with First Date, Rock Show, and Stay Together. I think

929
00:45:55,116 --> 00:45:57,276
Speaker 2: those were the three shows three songs that we added

930
00:45:57,316 --> 00:46:01,156
Speaker 2: to it last minute. But yeah, they actually didn't think

931
00:46:01,196 --> 00:46:03,036
Speaker 2: the album was complete and they were like, yo, you're

932
00:46:03,036 --> 00:46:06,796
Speaker 2: missing like strong, strong songs or like hits. So that

933
00:46:06,796 --> 00:46:08,516
Speaker 2: that's what we came back with.

934
00:46:08,636 --> 00:46:10,436
Speaker 1: Wow. I mean I think there's still our hits on

935
00:46:10,476 --> 00:46:11,796
Speaker 1: that with those ticket.

936
00:46:11,556 --> 00:46:15,716
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah mole to this day, you know, we

937
00:46:15,796 --> 00:46:18,276
Speaker 2: just celebrated in an anniversary for it. Like even my

938
00:46:18,476 --> 00:46:20,476
Speaker 2: son just hit me the other day, he's like, Dad,

939
00:46:20,516 --> 00:46:23,156
Speaker 2: I just got take off your pants and jacket. I never,

940
00:46:23,196 --> 00:46:26,076
Speaker 2: I never. I never got the joke. And I was like,

941
00:46:26,116 --> 00:46:29,156
Speaker 2: you gotta be kidding me. And there's also adults that

942
00:46:29,276 --> 00:46:32,676
Speaker 2: I know that have no idea, like they don't they

943
00:46:32,756 --> 00:46:33,716
Speaker 2: didn't get the joke.

944
00:46:34,516 --> 00:46:36,356
Speaker 1: You know, it was. It's the smoothest thing. Cause I

945
00:46:36,356 --> 00:46:39,036
Speaker 1: remember that era, for instance, trying to go get the

946
00:46:39,076 --> 00:46:41,396
Speaker 1: Chronic two thousand and one and get my parents to

947
00:46:41,396 --> 00:46:42,996
Speaker 1: buy it and they like, they're like, I'm down, Like

948
00:46:43,196 --> 00:46:45,196
Speaker 1: and they saw the chronically, They're like no, they ain't

949
00:46:45,236 --> 00:46:47,556
Speaker 1: gonna like yeah, but take off your parts and jacket

950
00:46:47,596 --> 00:46:49,556
Speaker 1: if you wanted to go cop that. It was like, oh, yeah,

951
00:46:49,676 --> 00:46:51,676
Speaker 1: like you have no problem, but.

952
00:46:52,036 --> 00:46:54,156
Speaker 2: And your parents don't get the joke just totally off

953
00:46:54,236 --> 00:46:54,596
Speaker 2: the head.

954
00:46:54,876 --> 00:46:58,196
Speaker 1: It was like brilliant, you know, and the different versions

955
00:46:58,236 --> 00:47:00,676
Speaker 1: of it. It was such a big event album at

956
00:47:00,676 --> 00:47:03,316
Speaker 1: the time, you know. Yeah, and to have that joke

957
00:47:03,356 --> 00:47:04,556
Speaker 1: planned raid.

958
00:47:04,516 --> 00:47:08,676
Speaker 2: It's so funny. It's like blank humor disguised.

959
00:47:09,556 --> 00:47:12,956
Speaker 1: Yeah. I wanted to ask you about scenes because you

960
00:47:12,996 --> 00:47:16,956
Speaker 1: came out of a pretty strong scene in Land Empire.

961
00:47:17,316 --> 00:47:20,756
Speaker 1: You moved to Orange County Cluna Beach that also had

962
00:47:20,796 --> 00:47:24,356
Speaker 1: a pretty strong scene, eventually moved to La. You grew

963
00:47:24,436 --> 00:47:27,996
Speaker 1: up at a time with a really strong regional scenes

964
00:47:28,236 --> 00:47:31,676
Speaker 1: and bands affiliated with those things. And I'm curious how

965
00:47:31,716 --> 00:47:35,076
Speaker 1: much that brought to you as a musician and if

966
00:47:35,156 --> 00:47:37,356
Speaker 1: you feel like that, if you miss.

967
00:47:37,236 --> 00:47:40,076
Speaker 2: That, yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't exist in the same

968
00:47:40,116 --> 00:47:44,676
Speaker 2: way right like a scene still exists. Hardcore music is

969
00:47:44,996 --> 00:47:47,916
Speaker 2: so popular right now, it's so cool. It reminds me

970
00:47:47,996 --> 00:47:49,956
Speaker 2: of sort of like the punk rock scene I grew

971
00:47:50,036 --> 00:47:52,836
Speaker 2: up being a part of. Just by the time I

972
00:47:52,876 --> 00:47:55,516
Speaker 2: had moved to Riverside. Even when I was a kid,

973
00:47:55,556 --> 00:47:58,756
Speaker 2: like I played Spanky's Cafe, like anyone who knows Riverside

974
00:47:58,796 --> 00:48:02,636
Speaker 2: knows Spanky's Cafe was legendary. Everyone from you know, No

975
00:48:02,756 --> 00:48:05,316
Speaker 2: Doubt played there. When I was a kid. They were

976
00:48:05,316 --> 00:48:07,716
Speaker 2: in Battle of the Bands with my band Jinx I

977
00:48:07,796 --> 00:48:09,796
Speaker 2: was in, which was like a kind of like a

978
00:48:09,876 --> 00:48:13,996
Speaker 2: rock metal band. Fire Hose would play there a minute

979
00:48:14,036 --> 00:48:18,676
Speaker 2: men like four one one down set. All these amazing

980
00:48:18,716 --> 00:48:22,316
Speaker 2: bands would play Spankys. And then we had the showcase

981
00:48:22,356 --> 00:48:26,356
Speaker 2: theater where I grew up. We had the barn. I

982
00:48:26,396 --> 00:48:29,996
Speaker 2: saw everyone from you know, face to face to like

983
00:48:30,076 --> 00:48:32,516
Speaker 2: Voodoo Goal Skulls who were like hometown heroes where I

984
00:48:32,556 --> 00:48:37,596
Speaker 2: grew up, and the scene was so just vibrant and alive,

985
00:48:37,756 --> 00:48:39,956
Speaker 2: like every Friday, Saturday and Sunday you could go to

986
00:48:39,996 --> 00:48:41,956
Speaker 2: a punk rock show. You could see the specials, you

987
00:48:41,996 --> 00:48:46,036
Speaker 2: could see madness, you could see sick of it all,

988
00:48:46,076 --> 00:48:48,716
Speaker 2: you could whatever. You know. It was like it was

989
00:48:48,796 --> 00:48:50,476
Speaker 2: so it was so cool.

990
00:48:50,236 --> 00:48:52,196
Speaker 1: And local bands would open up for some of you know.

991
00:48:52,236 --> 00:48:55,156
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, any of those big bands came to town.

992
00:48:55,316 --> 00:48:59,036
Speaker 2: You knew if if whoever bad religion was coming to town,

993
00:48:59,076 --> 00:49:00,996
Speaker 2: you knew they were picking openers for it. I mean,

994
00:49:00,996 --> 00:49:02,956
Speaker 2: that was actually my job at ninety eight posse was

995
00:49:03,396 --> 00:49:07,076
Speaker 2: to pick what bands would open for whoever Lagwagon when

996
00:49:07,076 --> 00:49:08,796
Speaker 2: they would come, who would Who's going to open for

997
00:49:08,836 --> 00:49:11,756
Speaker 2: the Myss. So I would listen to demos and you know,

998
00:49:11,956 --> 00:49:16,516
Speaker 2: just do my research on bands. But that was like

999
00:49:16,596 --> 00:49:18,796
Speaker 2: my dream was right in front of me. I got

1000
00:49:18,796 --> 00:49:20,716
Speaker 2: to see it. That's all I wanted to do. You know.

1001
00:49:21,156 --> 00:49:23,716
Speaker 2: At the time, I wasn't I wasn't booked at any

1002
00:49:23,716 --> 00:49:26,916
Speaker 2: of those spots. I wasn't playing any of those venues.

1003
00:49:28,596 --> 00:49:31,356
Speaker 2: It was it was right there, though, and it was

1004
00:49:31,436 --> 00:49:35,636
Speaker 2: like something I could obsess over and and and work

1005
00:49:35,716 --> 00:49:38,636
Speaker 2: hard and practice every day in hopes that I could

1006
00:49:38,676 --> 00:49:40,316
Speaker 2: be one of those bands that are playing one of

1007
00:49:40,316 --> 00:49:40,836
Speaker 2: those shows.

1008
00:49:40,956 --> 00:49:43,156
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible, man, Yeah it was.

1009
00:49:43,276 --> 00:49:43,876
Speaker 2: It was cool.

1010
00:49:44,076 --> 00:49:45,996
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until the Aquabats that you got to

1011
00:49:46,716 --> 00:49:47,876
Speaker 1: play like Showcase theater.

1012
00:49:48,516 --> 00:49:51,196
Speaker 2: Well, Feeble we played. We played some shows. That's how

1013
00:49:51,196 --> 00:49:56,396
Speaker 2: I met Chad from BHR who was also in the Aquabats.

1014
00:49:56,396 --> 00:49:59,556
Speaker 2: Like he had a scop new wave band too, so

1015
00:49:59,596 --> 00:50:02,076
Speaker 2: that's how I met him. But yeah, Feeble would play around.

1016
00:50:02,076 --> 00:50:05,236
Speaker 2: We would play like punk shows and we were trashmen

1017
00:50:05,316 --> 00:50:07,956
Speaker 2: in Laguna Beach, so we would also play local spots.

1018
00:50:08,756 --> 00:50:12,396
Speaker 2: In the Gunna that weren't punk clubs or bars, but

1019
00:50:12,556 --> 00:50:15,036
Speaker 2: we would play our music there and everyone would come out.

1020
00:50:15,356 --> 00:50:19,356
Speaker 2: That's how I first met Taylor Hawkins. That's uh, yeah,

1021
00:50:19,436 --> 00:50:20,756
Speaker 2: where our friendships started.

1022
00:50:20,876 --> 00:50:22,916
Speaker 1: So were you warmly received in Laguna?

1023
00:50:23,796 --> 00:50:23,996
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1024
00:50:24,236 --> 00:50:26,316
Speaker 1: Because sometimes hard on outsiders.

1025
00:50:26,716 --> 00:50:29,076
Speaker 2: I mean I was definitely nine or nine. I was

1026
00:50:29,076 --> 00:50:32,076
Speaker 2: wearing dickies to the beach. They were like, what dickies

1027
00:50:32,156 --> 00:50:34,996
Speaker 2: to the beach? High ass socks. I stuck out like

1028
00:50:35,036 --> 00:50:37,716
Speaker 2: a sore thumb. But I think that's also why they

1029
00:50:37,836 --> 00:50:40,236
Speaker 2: liked me, because I wasn't trying to pretend I was

1030
00:50:40,236 --> 00:50:45,596
Speaker 2: from there. You know, everyone there, like Noel who who

1031
00:50:45,996 --> 00:50:48,076
Speaker 2: invited me out there, who was the singer of Feeble,

1032
00:50:48,396 --> 00:50:55,236
Speaker 2: was extremely generous and hospitable, and Taylor Hawkins welcomed me

1033
00:50:55,276 --> 00:50:59,676
Speaker 2: with open arms and was so supportive, even like our

1034
00:50:59,756 --> 00:51:01,636
Speaker 2: trash crew, like the people I worked were out there

1035
00:51:01,636 --> 00:51:05,556
Speaker 2: were really nice. Yeah, I'd never really been anywhere like

1036
00:51:05,636 --> 00:51:09,316
Speaker 2: Laguna Beach where I grew up. It wasn't like Laguna Beach.

1037
00:51:09,636 --> 00:51:14,876
Speaker 2: Laguna Beach was like Disneyland or like fairy Tale vibes.

1038
00:51:14,916 --> 00:51:17,156
Speaker 2: You know, I couldn't even believe it was real. I'm like, wait,

1039
00:51:17,196 --> 00:51:20,356
Speaker 2: this place exists, you know, and I was probably doing

1040
00:51:20,756 --> 00:51:23,316
Speaker 2: like a job that most people wouldn't want to do.

1041
00:51:23,396 --> 00:51:25,356
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you know what I mean, youah be

1042
00:51:25,436 --> 00:51:28,076
Speaker 2: a trash man. And and uh it was like probably

1043
00:51:28,076 --> 00:51:31,876
Speaker 2: the best time of my life because you're in paradise. Yeah,

1044
00:51:31,876 --> 00:51:34,396
Speaker 2: I was in Paradise picking up trash. I wasn't I

1045
00:51:34,476 --> 00:51:36,316
Speaker 2: wasn't tripping. It was it was nice.

1046
00:51:36,476 --> 00:51:39,076
Speaker 1: That's amazing, man, What wasn't Why Why did you end

1047
00:51:39,156 --> 00:51:42,196
Speaker 1: up moving to LA because you uh and what like

1048
00:51:42,196 --> 00:51:42,916
Speaker 1: how did that happen?

1049
00:51:42,996 --> 00:51:48,476
Speaker 2: Because so I was I was playing in Blink and

1050
00:51:48,516 --> 00:51:53,796
Speaker 2: I was in Riverside, Corona and then around the time

1051
00:51:53,836 --> 00:52:01,236
Speaker 2: transplants started. Uh my my kid's mom at the time

1052
00:52:01,356 --> 00:52:05,396
Speaker 2: was pregnant. Landing in Alabama's mom Shane, and was pregnant.

1053
00:52:05,636 --> 00:52:08,236
Speaker 2: So I moved LA because I wanted to be there

1054
00:52:08,236 --> 00:52:09,236
Speaker 2: at twenty four to seven.

1055
00:52:09,436 --> 00:52:11,156
Speaker 1: Did it take a while to like settle in to

1056
00:52:11,556 --> 00:52:12,236
Speaker 1: that move or.

1057
00:52:12,636 --> 00:52:14,476
Speaker 2: I was doing the same things you put me anywhere.

1058
00:52:14,476 --> 00:52:16,716
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do the same things. I'm gonna I'm gonna run,

1059
00:52:16,756 --> 00:52:21,676
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play drums, I'm gonna make music. You know,

1060
00:52:21,796 --> 00:52:24,636
Speaker 2: you could transplant me anywhere and nothing's gonna change.

1061
00:52:24,836 --> 00:52:29,276
Speaker 1: That's probably that's probably why everything you do work, Yeah, thankfully,

1062
00:52:29,876 --> 00:52:31,876
Speaker 1: because you put a lot of disparate pieces together, man,

1063
00:52:32,076 --> 00:52:35,116
Speaker 1: like you know, producing bumb records, sign in the Keenness

1064
00:52:35,156 --> 00:52:37,516
Speaker 1: and blink, you know, opabus. Like you think about your career,

1065
00:52:37,556 --> 00:52:41,116
Speaker 1: it's really it's hard to hold. It's hard to even

1066
00:52:41,156 --> 00:52:43,076
Speaker 1: think about talking to you about it sometimes because it's

1067
00:52:43,116 --> 00:52:46,636
Speaker 1: like there's so much, such a variety of things, man,

1068
00:52:46,756 --> 00:52:47,036
Speaker 1: you know.

1069
00:52:47,036 --> 00:52:49,276
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was just doing things like I

1070
00:52:49,396 --> 00:52:52,476
Speaker 2: felt connected with or I felt passionate about her, I

1071
00:52:52,556 --> 00:52:56,236
Speaker 2: knew like I loved. Yeah, it gives me anxiety to

1072
00:52:56,436 --> 00:52:59,476
Speaker 2: think back if like you know, some people were like, dude,

1073
00:52:59,516 --> 00:53:01,036
Speaker 2: I wish I could go back to when I was

1074
00:53:01,116 --> 00:53:04,756
Speaker 2: like thirty five or whatever, and I'm like, no, I don't. Like,

1075
00:53:04,796 --> 00:53:07,596
Speaker 2: I'm so happy with every decision I made, even the

1076
00:53:07,636 --> 00:53:10,236
Speaker 2: bad ones, and I'm just so for fortunate and so grateful,

1077
00:53:11,076 --> 00:53:14,316
Speaker 2: especially my musical journey, you know, playing with everyone I've

1078
00:53:14,356 --> 00:53:18,996
Speaker 2: played with and the records I've gotten to make, and yeah,

1079
00:53:19,596 --> 00:53:23,236
Speaker 2: like the tours I've done at everything. Everything, I'm just yeah,

1080
00:53:23,476 --> 00:53:23,596
Speaker 2: you know.

1081
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Speaker 1: What I'm curious about before I lets you go, is

1082
00:53:27,596 --> 00:53:31,076
Speaker 1: like if just a scenario of the Doris' hypothetical. Like

1083
00:53:31,076 --> 00:53:32,356
Speaker 1: if I were to say, Hey, we're going to track

1084
00:53:32,436 --> 00:53:36,116
Speaker 1: and hear in like two hours, pick a kit, rig

1085
00:53:36,156 --> 00:53:37,516
Speaker 1: it like you know, kit it out how you want,

1086
00:53:37,556 --> 00:53:39,356
Speaker 1: tune it how you want, Like, how would you set

1087
00:53:39,436 --> 00:53:40,836
Speaker 1: up a drum kit from scratch?

1088
00:53:41,196 --> 00:53:44,836
Speaker 2: My kid is the smallest kid anyone would have to

1089
00:53:44,876 --> 00:53:48,476
Speaker 2: set up. I grew up setting up my own drum kit, obviously,

1090
00:53:48,756 --> 00:53:51,716
Speaker 2: and I figured out from a young age I didn't

1091
00:53:51,716 --> 00:53:54,076
Speaker 2: want to haul around a bunch of drums. So my

1092
00:53:54,196 --> 00:53:57,796
Speaker 2: kid is a four piece drum kit and it has

1093
00:53:58,076 --> 00:54:01,396
Speaker 2: three symbols, and I don't need anything more than that.

1094
00:54:01,436 --> 00:54:04,756
Speaker 2: I'll never need anything more than that. Uh. The goal

1095
00:54:04,836 --> 00:54:07,956
Speaker 2: is to sound really big on like a really small kit.

1096
00:54:08,076 --> 00:54:11,476
Speaker 2: So like even the trip I just went on, it's like, yo,

1097
00:54:11,556 --> 00:54:14,356
Speaker 2: I'm setting up the smallest practice kit and that's all

1098
00:54:14,396 --> 00:54:18,436
Speaker 2: I need. So it never changes really wow. Yeah, I

1099
00:54:18,476 --> 00:54:22,076
Speaker 2: always say, like, small kit, big sound. You know, that's

1100
00:54:22,116 --> 00:54:22,476
Speaker 2: the goal.

1101
00:54:22,756 --> 00:54:25,596
Speaker 1: That's been your kit since before Blink, since I started gigging.

1102
00:54:25,676 --> 00:54:30,556
Speaker 2: Yeah, like since since the feeble days. It's never changed,

1103
00:54:30,596 --> 00:54:32,836
Speaker 2: I think once or twice. I think there was a

1104
00:54:32,836 --> 00:54:36,756
Speaker 2: time right before the self titled album that we put

1105
00:54:36,756 --> 00:54:39,316
Speaker 2: a gong behind me because Gilgin gave me a gong

1106
00:54:39,396 --> 00:54:41,956
Speaker 2: and I was so excited, and Alex van Halen had

1107
00:54:41,956 --> 00:54:45,116
Speaker 2: a gong and some of the John Bonham had a gong,

1108
00:54:45,156 --> 00:54:46,756
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm gonna get a fucking gong

1109
00:54:47,076 --> 00:54:49,236
Speaker 2: and I put it behind me. But I never wanted

1110
00:54:49,236 --> 00:54:50,116
Speaker 2: to lug that around?

1111
00:54:50,236 --> 00:54:50,756
Speaker 1: Did you use it?

1112
00:54:50,836 --> 00:54:53,236
Speaker 2: And I also felt like a dork making my drum

1113
00:54:53,316 --> 00:54:56,076
Speaker 2: tech lug it around. I'm like, I wouldn't want to

1114
00:54:56,276 --> 00:54:58,156
Speaker 2: lug it around. Why am I gonna make him do it?

1115
00:54:58,516 --> 00:55:02,036
Speaker 2: So I've always just mint I just try to keep

1116
00:55:02,316 --> 00:55:04,316
Speaker 2: keep things minimal simple.

1117
00:55:05,036 --> 00:55:07,316
Speaker 1: Do you sit down and try to tune things that? Certainly,

1118
00:55:07,316 --> 00:55:08,676
Speaker 1: like if you have to sit down at someone else's

1119
00:55:08,756 --> 00:55:11,436
Speaker 1: kid and you're able to ask it a bit, how

1120
00:55:11,436 --> 00:55:13,036
Speaker 1: do you like? What do you what sound are you

1121
00:55:13,076 --> 00:55:14,356
Speaker 1: trying to get out of? You know?

1122
00:55:15,316 --> 00:55:19,356
Speaker 2: Uh, I guess it's like cooking, you know, like you

1123
00:55:19,436 --> 00:55:21,116
Speaker 2: know what you want to add or you don't want

1124
00:55:21,156 --> 00:55:23,956
Speaker 2: to add same thing with Like depends what I'm doing too.

1125
00:55:24,076 --> 00:55:27,796
Speaker 2: Some things call for my tom's being tuned higher, some

1126
00:55:27,876 --> 00:55:32,996
Speaker 2: things call for them to be muffled. Uh, Lately, depending

1127
00:55:32,996 --> 00:55:36,476
Speaker 2: on what I'm doing but like big fast snare drum

1128
00:55:36,516 --> 00:55:40,076
Speaker 2: makes these these dampers for your kit that are amazing

1129
00:55:40,236 --> 00:55:44,516
Speaker 2: that just makes everything sound like a like a seventies

1130
00:55:44,596 --> 00:55:48,756
Speaker 2: record or like Adilla record. Like the drums aren't too noisy,

1131
00:55:48,796 --> 00:55:53,316
Speaker 2: they don't feel too alive. Almost can disguise live drums

1132
00:55:53,356 --> 00:55:55,756
Speaker 2: to be programmed if they're played right, you know what

1133
00:55:55,796 --> 00:55:59,116
Speaker 2: I mean? Yeah, Like, yeah, it's it's my favorite.

1134
00:55:59,396 --> 00:56:00,996
Speaker 1: That's sick using those lot.

1135
00:56:01,196 --> 00:56:02,796
Speaker 2: I use them a lot. Yeah.

1136
00:56:02,356 --> 00:56:06,236
Speaker 1: Wow. What's the story of the pop disastertor from your perspective?

1137
00:56:06,236 --> 00:56:08,196
Speaker 1: Because it feels like that's the thing fans are always

1138
00:56:08,196 --> 00:56:12,356
Speaker 1: interested in. And green Day has one version of events,

1139
00:56:12,836 --> 00:56:15,036
Speaker 1: Marking his book had another version or what is it.

1140
00:56:15,036 --> 00:56:16,276
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about it.

1141
00:56:16,316 --> 00:56:19,596
Speaker 1: I guess someone called someone to put the tour together.

1142
00:56:20,076 --> 00:56:23,076
Speaker 1: And green Day's intent, they say secretly, was to like

1143
00:56:23,156 --> 00:56:25,796
Speaker 1: blow blink off the stage like they felt threatened almost

1144
00:56:25,836 --> 00:56:28,236
Speaker 1: by you guys. And in Mark's book, he's like, yeah,

1145
00:56:28,236 --> 00:56:29,676
Speaker 1: we thought we were just gonna go on tour with

1146
00:56:29,756 --> 00:56:32,196
Speaker 1: the band that was like like we looked up to

1147
00:56:32,316 --> 00:56:34,636
Speaker 1: and like we're like, you know, we were just kind

1148
00:56:34,636 --> 00:56:36,156
Speaker 1: of getting to be big like they were, and we

1149
00:56:36,196 --> 00:56:38,316
Speaker 1: thought it'd be like fun and we're supposed to co headline,

1150
00:56:38,356 --> 00:56:40,476
Speaker 1: but then like they seemed like they were pissed and

1151
00:56:40,676 --> 00:56:43,956
Speaker 1: didn't like us or something, and so it feels like,

1152
00:56:45,076 --> 00:56:46,836
Speaker 1: I don't know, like there's two different perspectives on.

1153
00:56:46,796 --> 00:56:49,476
Speaker 2: It, but I think I had a different experience probably.

1154
00:56:50,556 --> 00:56:53,836
Speaker 2: I mean at the time, Blink was big, you know,

1155
00:56:53,956 --> 00:56:56,476
Speaker 2: and I think Green Day might have been in like

1156
00:56:56,556 --> 00:57:00,916
Speaker 2: hibernation mode or writing or something. And then I know,

1157
00:57:01,516 --> 00:57:04,156
Speaker 2: internally as a band, we always said it'd be cool

1158
00:57:04,156 --> 00:57:06,516
Speaker 2: if us in Green Day tour, it'd be crazy, you know.

1159
00:57:07,276 --> 00:57:10,356
Speaker 2: I think the world always tries to pinnis against each other.

1160
00:57:10,476 --> 00:57:14,756
Speaker 2: You know. The truth is, Blink didn't even practice for

1161
00:57:14,796 --> 00:57:17,196
Speaker 2: that tour. We didn't. We would never pra we would.

1162
00:57:17,636 --> 00:57:19,876
Speaker 2: We would go out on tour not even practice. Once

1163
00:57:21,356 --> 00:57:24,116
Speaker 2: we went out there and we didn't even have a

1164
00:57:24,156 --> 00:57:27,716
Speaker 2: fucking banner, Okay, and we got out there and Green

1165
00:57:27,756 --> 00:57:32,556
Speaker 2: Day had Piro and like crazy shit. That's how that's

1166
00:57:32,636 --> 00:57:35,796
Speaker 2: how like inexperienced we kind of were as a band,

1167
00:57:35,956 --> 00:57:37,956
Speaker 2: right like we're just like, yo, we're gonna go up

1168
00:57:37,956 --> 00:57:39,796
Speaker 2: and play those songs like we've always played, like we

1169
00:57:39,796 --> 00:57:42,476
Speaker 2: did at the club. I think that tour for me

1170
00:57:43,316 --> 00:57:44,836
Speaker 2: and if I had to speak for our band, was

1171
00:57:44,876 --> 00:57:50,156
Speaker 2: like a good, uh like eye opening experience of like, oh,

1172
00:57:50,236 --> 00:57:53,036
Speaker 2: you play different when you go out and you play

1173
00:57:53,076 --> 00:57:56,476
Speaker 2: big arenas and you play big amphitheaters. We should have

1174
00:57:56,516 --> 00:57:59,556
Speaker 2: a banner, we should have production. I think that was

1175
00:57:59,596 --> 00:58:03,356
Speaker 2: our tour where we had that realization, you know, as

1176
00:58:03,356 --> 00:58:07,156
Speaker 2: far as personalities with the band. So I have a like,

1177
00:58:07,236 --> 00:58:09,596
Speaker 2: my this is like what my dressing room looks like

1178
00:58:09,636 --> 00:58:12,916
Speaker 2: with but instead of guitars and drums. So every day

1179
00:58:12,956 --> 00:58:16,796
Speaker 2: I'd be in there practicing, playing, making something, even bring

1180
00:58:16,796 --> 00:58:19,396
Speaker 2: out a little studio. Billy Joe started coming into my

1181
00:58:19,516 --> 00:58:21,756
Speaker 2: room every day. I was like, can I jam with you?

1182
00:58:21,796 --> 00:58:24,236
Speaker 2: And I said yeah, of course. We would jam every

1183
00:58:24,316 --> 00:58:28,116
Speaker 2: day at that tour, like maybe a week into it

1184
00:58:28,276 --> 00:58:33,436
Speaker 2: then like Mike brought the bassamp in and me, Billy

1185
00:58:33,516 --> 00:58:36,476
Speaker 2: Joe and sometimes Mike would be jamming every day.

1186
00:58:36,476 --> 00:58:38,436
Speaker 1: Just making stuff up, just jamming.

1187
00:58:38,516 --> 00:58:40,556
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, to the point where Tom was like, hey,

1188
00:58:40,556 --> 00:58:42,636
Speaker 2: what's going on here? Like what are you guys doing?

1189
00:58:43,156 --> 00:58:45,116
Speaker 2: And I'd be like, we're just jamming, Like he'd you know,

1190
00:58:45,156 --> 00:58:47,996
Speaker 2: he knows I'm jamming whatever, so we're just jamming. He's like, fuck, man,

1191
00:58:48,036 --> 00:58:49,756
Speaker 2: I want to jam and I'm like, come in jamm

1192
00:58:49,756 --> 00:58:55,236
Speaker 2: any time. That's kind of how box Car happened, really, Yeah, out.

1193
00:58:55,076 --> 00:58:57,236
Speaker 1: Of the jams that were happening in your dressing room.

1194
00:58:57,596 --> 00:59:00,476
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think like me jamming with Billy all

1195
00:59:00,516 --> 00:59:03,196
Speaker 2: the time inspired Tom to be like, I'm gonna come

1196
00:59:03,196 --> 00:59:07,236
Speaker 2: in and bring a guitar. We should jam sometime. So yeah,

1197
00:59:07,276 --> 00:59:11,196
Speaker 2: so there's never been like, yeah, I've never I remember

1198
00:59:11,196 --> 00:59:14,036
Speaker 2: one time I was on tour with Yellowolf and I

1199
00:59:14,116 --> 00:59:15,756
Speaker 2: ran into the Green Day guys and there are nothing

1200
00:59:15,756 --> 00:59:20,116
Speaker 2: but nice. Like honestly, they've never been anything but cool

1201
00:59:20,436 --> 00:59:24,916
Speaker 2: to me in person. And yeah, and yeah they're they're

1202
00:59:24,956 --> 00:59:26,316
Speaker 2: they're badass. They're a great band.

1203
00:59:26,356 --> 00:59:27,996
Speaker 1: Did you record any of that stuff you were doing

1204
00:59:28,356 --> 00:59:28,836
Speaker 1: with Billy?

1205
00:59:28,916 --> 00:59:31,636
Speaker 2: Yeah no, it might no, but we're gonna play this

1206
00:59:31,636 --> 00:59:33,316
Speaker 2: thing together. So that's gonna be exciting, you know.

1207
00:59:33,396 --> 00:59:35,156
Speaker 1: Yeah, where's that boy? What's the deal? What's the story

1208
00:59:35,196 --> 00:59:35,356
Speaker 1: on that?

1209
00:59:35,636 --> 00:59:40,236
Speaker 2: It's at Hollywood Forever, at the cemetery for Ramone's fiftieth anniversary.

1210
00:59:40,316 --> 00:59:42,036
Speaker 1: Okay, amazing, man, I'm gonna try to come out to Yeah,

1211
00:59:42,076 --> 00:59:44,516
Speaker 1: it's gonna be cool. It sounds fun. Man. I appreciate

1212
00:59:44,556 --> 00:59:47,396
Speaker 1: you taking the time. Man. Yeah, talking music with you forever.

1213
00:59:47,476 --> 00:59:48,396
Speaker 2: So yeah, same man.

1214
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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thanks for checking out Broken Record on YouTube.

1215
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Speaker 1: If you want to listen to us on the go,

1216
00:59:54,956 --> 00:59:57,476
Speaker 1: be sure to subscribe to Broken Record wherever you listen

1217
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