WEBVTT - How “Broken D**ks” Healed Her Trauma With Her Father - Seriously!

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, welcome back to I Do Part two. It

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<v Speaker 1>is your celebrity mentor Cheryl Burke, and today I have

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<v Speaker 1>a wild story to unpack with my guests. Somehow, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how, but she went from acting to working

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<v Speaker 1>with men who have a rectile dysfunction two writing a memoir,

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<v Speaker 1>A lot to unpack, to say the least, her memoir

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<v Speaker 1>You Don't Know Dick, is out June thirtieth.

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<v Speaker 2>Please welcome Christina Den to the pod.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we obviously have a lot to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean talk about like a hook, right when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to your book, it's a hook in itself.

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<v Speaker 2>So you were an actress first.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and now you have written a book and you've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten into screenwriting as well. But you basically started working

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<v Speaker 1>with men who had a rectile dysfunction.

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<v Speaker 2>How did that happen? And how did you just fall

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<v Speaker 2>into place? There?

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<v Speaker 3>Not naturally not a natural segue, right, It's like, how

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<v Speaker 3>would you go from this to this? So, as many

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<v Speaker 3>people probably know actors, you know, we have to have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of day jobs, right to get by between gigs.

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<v Speaker 3>And my friends were opening a wellness center in la

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<v Speaker 3>and asked me if I would help them be the

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<v Speaker 3>office manager, and I said absolutely, and we were doing

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<v Speaker 3>ivy nutrition, cryotherapy, you know, all the things that La

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<v Speaker 3>wellness centers offer. But the problem is is that there's

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<v Speaker 3>so many of them here. They're so competitive. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>there's one in every strip mall, and so they're like,

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<v Speaker 3>how are we going to make money and survive? So

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<v Speaker 3>the owner, the mail owner of this couple, here's this

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Rogan podcast talking about this service for reptil a

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<v Speaker 3>dysfunction and it's non invasive and so you know, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't necessarily have to be a licensed medical professional to

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<v Speaker 3>do it, and it was his solution to saving the clinic.

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<v Speaker 3>And so he approached me as I'm like holding towels

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<v Speaker 3>for the cryod therapy machine day, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, Like my comedian brain was like did you

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<v Speaker 3>just say that? Like we're going to be dick fixers?

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<v Speaker 3>Like I don't know how to process this right, Like

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<v Speaker 3>it was so at the time so hilarious to me

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<v Speaker 3>to either the idea that this existed. And so next

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<v Speaker 3>thing I know, it's like I'm on a plane to Tucson,

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<v Speaker 3>Arizona to get certified. And the only reason I said yes,

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<v Speaker 3>is because fascination. I needed more money. They were going

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<v Speaker 3>to pay me more, and you know, I was like

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<v Speaker 3>I can handle something like this. I'm mature enough, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And so you know, little did I know there's an

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<v Speaker 3>entire industry out there that is, you know, doctors are

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<v Speaker 3>paying their mortgages for solutions for retail dysfunction. And so

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<v Speaker 3>this was innovative, groundbreaking way to go without having to

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<v Speaker 3>do pills and injections and all these other things guys

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<v Speaker 3>have been doing for years.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, what did that entail? Like this sort of certification

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<v Speaker 2>of Yes, it was like this day.

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<v Speaker 3>Long seminar Intoucson where we're staring at cross actions of

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<v Speaker 3>male anatomy blown up on this projector. And of course

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like giggling and I'm looking around. I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>they take it very seriously. I'm the only like immature

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<v Speaker 3>person here that's not a medical professional, right, And I

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I studied theology in college, so it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>completely foreign to me, but it was still just like

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<v Speaker 3>this is wild. And then we had to practice on

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<v Speaker 3>two different volunteers. So we had to use this device

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<v Speaker 3>that looks like a gun. It's like a space ship,

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<v Speaker 3>like a futuristic looking gun and put it onto the

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<v Speaker 3>men's you know part, and it was like all around,

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<v Speaker 3>all around, underneath, everywhere. So this wasn't just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the member, it was it was so foreign to me,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I just kept feeling like I was watching myself

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<v Speaker 3>have this out of body experience. And so after that

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<v Speaker 3>we were technically certified and came back to LA and

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<v Speaker 3>two weeks later I had my first client.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so what do you think, I guess is the

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<v Speaker 1>most shocking thing that you can think of that women

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<v Speaker 1>would find surprising about men and their penises?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think listen, I was. I was one

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<v Speaker 3>of these women that went into this again thinking this

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<v Speaker 3>was a joke. It was like, of course, old dudes

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<v Speaker 3>just want to like keep their penises hard forever, like

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<v Speaker 3>this is I was in the school of thought of

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<v Speaker 3>like ewgross, like of course they're pervs, right, like this

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<v Speaker 3>is where meat for sure. The fact that I was

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<v Speaker 3>then like a few months in after I kind of

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<v Speaker 3>got over the silliness of it, I started fosnessing something

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<v Speaker 3>that I didn't even know men were capable of, which

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<v Speaker 3>was deep, deep levels of shame. Oh, like so much

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<v Speaker 3>shame when it comes to this part of their body

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<v Speaker 3>not working. And that could be because it's how they

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<v Speaker 3>define their manhood, right, it's this of what makes them

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<v Speaker 3>a man. And if they're not able to perform, well

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<v Speaker 3>then what are they?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>And so, my gosh, this was this most insane kind

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<v Speaker 3>of almost like spiritual classroom into the male vulnerability like

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<v Speaker 3>crisis of I have all these feelings, I have nowhere

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<v Speaker 3>for them to go because society doesn't let me express

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<v Speaker 3>them safe, safely and welcomely. Right, I was so my

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<v Speaker 3>brain was so scrambled and transformed after that. So I think,

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<v Speaker 3>like women, I can't imagine I'm much different than most

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<v Speaker 3>women where when you have I had a front row

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<v Speaker 3>seat to male shame and I didn't have that possible,

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<v Speaker 3>I think. So there's so much in my book that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to sort of cover about this, to to

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<v Speaker 3>sort of open the conversation, to to shed light on

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<v Speaker 3>this very normal yet super you know, taboo topic that

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<v Speaker 3>of sexual dysfunction.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, so yeah, for real, for real, Well, why

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<v Speaker 1>do you think men in general connect their manhood to

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<v Speaker 1>their penises, because we don't do that with our vaginas.

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<v Speaker 3>No, we don't we definitely don't. I think, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it's like so much of it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It could be a combination of physiological drive, societal expectations.

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<v Speaker 3>They think women have on them.

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<v Speaker 2>They think, yeah, that they're cold.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what makes you a man, right, right, Like

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<v Speaker 3>the better more money, right, Like it's like they define

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<v Speaker 3>they have these like checkboxes of what make them a man,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is such a huge part of that. And

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<v Speaker 3>when it's broken, it's like it it doesn't matter how

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<v Speaker 3>much money you have, right, I saw listen, I saw

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<v Speaker 3>men from the ages of eighteen to eighty. I saw

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen motorcycle accident. Right, there's all these things we don't realize, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it can break, Like I.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't know, Oh it can break.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know it could break. It can break for

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<v Speaker 3>physical injury, sex accidents. There's so many things that cause

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<v Speaker 3>like scar tissue build up and then it goes crooked.

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<v Speaker 3>Like there's so many different things that deform and make

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<v Speaker 3>the thing not function properly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a muscle, right, Like, I guess it's the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing, and they call it.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess they call it an organ, but it feels

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<v Speaker 3>down more like it. Yeah, there's muscles that are around

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<v Speaker 3>the area that help. But it's yeah, so I was

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<v Speaker 3>just the insight. I was like, man, they I have

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<v Speaker 3>this line in the book where I'm like, man, do

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<v Speaker 3>men go to more extreme links to save their dicks

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<v Speaker 3>than we do to save our faces? Like you know

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<v Speaker 3>what I mean? Because I'm like, maybe, like maybe it's.

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<v Speaker 2>There skincare for their.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's like so there's botox. Now there's like all

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of testicles like I've heard. We didn't do that,

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<v Speaker 3>but I heard all these things. We actually also offered

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<v Speaker 3>pea shots, which is PRP and we know what Vieyes, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So spinning your blood, getting the platelets, all the beautiful

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<v Speaker 3>plasma that helps heal, and you stick it in.

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<v Speaker 2>There, it means your penis age backwards.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like let's reverse. Yeah, let's keep it, keep it

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<v Speaker 3>nice and does it work caculation? It does. Now, granted

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not again, I'm not a medical professional. If you

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<v Speaker 3>are somebody who has you know, diabetes, high cholesterol, things

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<v Speaker 3>that are already compromising calculation, it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 3>more difficult road. But yes, it was. It wasn't like

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<v Speaker 3>a permanent thing, but it was something that you. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like a preventative thing. It can help, like.

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<v Speaker 2>For us, like for PRP when we do PUP.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why you do it. You want to do it

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<v Speaker 1>the not the younger younger, but like you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to do it as a preventative thing, not.

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<v Speaker 2>Just not going to work.

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<v Speaker 3>Delay the night, right, yeah, not take it away, but

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<v Speaker 3>delay the indevitable.

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<v Speaker 1>So when these men walk into the room and they

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<v Speaker 1>see you're beautiful, you know obviously. And I remember my

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<v Speaker 1>stepdad saying this to me recently. I think he got

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<v Speaker 1>he had to.

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<v Speaker 2>Get checked right, it was like a physical or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was like.

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<v Speaker 1>This woman was just so beautiful, this nurse and like

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<v Speaker 1>she had to like feel my balls basically, and like

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<v Speaker 1>how do they do at first? Do they become defensive

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<v Speaker 1>or are they just right away vulnerable?

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<v Speaker 3>All of it? Honestly, I saw it all. I definitely

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<v Speaker 3>there were men that blatantly looked at me and said, no,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not treating me, like before their pants are off,

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<v Speaker 3>obviously they were.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I get it, I get it.

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<v Speaker 3>And but owners are like, look like this is La.

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<v Speaker 3>She's our old like she's our technician. And so after

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<v Speaker 3>they kind of got over themselves you know, I definitely

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<v Speaker 3>got the peacock and you're like, oh, what is your

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<v Speaker 3>boyfriend think of?

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<v Speaker 2>There?

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<v Speaker 3>Was your husband like just trying.

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<v Speaker 2>To Are they trying to hit on you when you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do this?

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<v Speaker 3>On this I honestly had only one guy out of

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<v Speaker 3>I think almost four hundred guys. I treated one guy

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<v Speaker 3>be weird with me and like kind of pervert, No,

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<v Speaker 3>tell me what a good job I was doing. And

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<v Speaker 3>I was like he was not welcome back. But honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>they're they're in such a vulnerable position, right, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>coming in like, Hi, my manhoods that compromise and it

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<v Speaker 3>can you help me? They don't have it in them

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<v Speaker 3>to like then also hit on Like there's no way

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<v Speaker 3>that was happening, right, Thank God for me.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so why do you do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of these men, you know, there's this whole,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said earlier, with the size of their penis

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<v Speaker 1>and all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is that? So? Why does that define a man

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<v Speaker 2>and a man's hood? I guess so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Because like I honestly don't think every woman cares about

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<v Speaker 1>the size, Like I really don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>No, And you know, it's something that's interesting that I've

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<v Speaker 3>been like, you know, I resource this a while back.

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<v Speaker 3>But like women, we all have different sizes too. Inside

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<v Speaker 3>you you are different shapes, different sizes, different.

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<v Speaker 2>As Absolutely you can only fit in so much, if

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's not like a universal vagina that men are

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<v Speaker 3>all trying to like live up too, you know. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's not a universal dick side color anything, right, And

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<v Speaker 3>I I did not have a clue how much variety

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<v Speaker 3>there was until of course I was witnessing it. But

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<v Speaker 3>it was just yeah, it makes me really sad that

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<v Speaker 3>there's still that same thing out there in society that's

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<v Speaker 3>like all bigger, but you know, and it's like, man,

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<v Speaker 3>can we just like drop that already? Like it's actually

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted other women.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think the bigger the better, no doubt that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think sometimes too big is not great at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, now you want this to be an enjoyable experience.

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<v Speaker 3>Racing for impact the whole time? Yes, yeah, like not

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<v Speaker 3>doing like a prayer, like God, it's not meant for me,

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<v Speaker 3>like this is not We're not made for each other. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>this is not gonna work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, God, Yeah, that's just so what do you

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<v Speaker 1>like when you win. They pulled their pants down and

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<v Speaker 1>they show you their penis, like is it there?

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<v Speaker 2>You see right away there's a sense of shame.

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<v Speaker 3>So so here let me show you. Like, okay, so

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<v Speaker 3>picture a treatment table right, like a doctor's office with

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<v Speaker 3>the medical like the gross paper.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, of course it's horrible.

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<v Speaker 3>And I let them undress obviously without me in the room. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, get ready, put this little medical drape over.

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<v Speaker 3>You have some like dignity for yourself. So they're staring

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<v Speaker 3>up at the sky at these horrible you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>fluorescent lighting of a medical office. I try to lower

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<v Speaker 3>the lights. I try to make it all spot lighting horrible. Yeah,

0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:47.480
<v Speaker 3>I try to like make it. I put like Serenes

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<v Speaker 3>Bob music on and like had like diffusers, it's nice.

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<v Speaker 3>I was trying to make them feel safe and comfortable

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<v Speaker 3>because I knew this is horrible. And so then it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the big reveal of Okay, now I have

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<v Speaker 3>to pull down the drape. And so if they're just

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<v Speaker 3>like literally like steering up the sky like like most

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<v Speaker 3>of them were just immediately like embarrassed, quiet, internal, uh defensive,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, because now it's like and also I'm seeing

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<v Speaker 3>it placid. I'm not seeing what the potential is right right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, And and so there, and of course there

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<v Speaker 3>were guys some of them did get hard right away,

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<v Speaker 3>which was that I was like, that happened, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, hey, we did it, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, You're like, hey, go get go sort yourself out. Coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you get a refund. Yeah. But they were numb also,

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<v Speaker 3>like you know how like I get like I've had

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<v Speaker 3>like yes on my face for injections, right, so you

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<v Speaker 3>mean like actually numb. They we would put numbing cream

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<v Speaker 3>on they, like, we would have them apply it an

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<v Speaker 3>hour before the treatment. Nowadays they might be a little different,

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<v Speaker 3>but that would help desensitize the impact of this machine

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<v Speaker 3>because it was very aggressive. Yeah, sounds like a jackhammer, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>doing construction.

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<v Speaker 1>Like how many sessions do they go through? I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>it's personal.

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<v Speaker 3>That's like the protocol calls for six over six weeks,

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<v Speaker 3>So either they would do three weeks and then we'd

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<v Speaker 3>like give them two months off to kind of have

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<v Speaker 3>everything start working in the body, and then three more

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<v Speaker 3>sessions later they'd come back.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was does it work? Yeah, every time?

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<v Speaker 3>Most of the guys, I saw saw improvement. Absolutely. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not making it bigger. Let's be clear about that,

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<v Speaker 3>because a lot of how I'm gonna come and there

0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.479
<v Speaker 3>were guys coming to me like I don't have interactile

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<v Speaker 3>dysfunction problem, but I just want to see if it

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<v Speaker 3>can get bigger. Oh come on, Well it's like think

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<v Speaker 3>about like when you do a bicep, curl your muscle

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<v Speaker 3>like e gorges with more blood. That's all that's happening

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<v Speaker 3>with something. Right. It's not gonna make it bigger, but

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<v Speaker 3>it will make it feel and look fuller. So there

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<v Speaker 3>was that bit of confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>That was interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah okay or blood flow right.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so basically this is the equivalent of us

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<v Speaker 1>going to get botox.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a lot in the same way. Yeah, like we're

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<v Speaker 3>trying to do laser we're trying to like anything plump

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<v Speaker 3>and you make this they want.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we go like what every few months? Like same

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<v Speaker 1>things for them, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So what they would say back then, I was when

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<v Speaker 3>I was trained, it was like eighteen It would last

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<v Speaker 3>like eighteen months before they'd have to feel like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>maybe I need to do it again. But I would

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<v Speaker 3>send them with homework us homework penis pump.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh does that work?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? So we like what part of protocol was is

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<v Speaker 3>that they had to use this during their treatment for me.

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<v Speaker 3>With me for six weeks they used it twice a

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<v Speaker 3>day for ten minutes each.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a day.

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<v Speaker 3>And now I'm like all of my friends everyone in

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<v Speaker 3>my life. I'm like, if you're over forty, you need

0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.000
<v Speaker 3>a penis pump and you should be using it twice

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<v Speaker 3>a week. It's like cardio for your dick. That's how

0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:36.640
<v Speaker 3>you have to think of it, because yeah, I guess,

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<v Speaker 3>so that's flow and kind of clearing the debris, right,

0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:41.920
<v Speaker 3>because the blood vessels and the penis are so much

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<v Speaker 3>smaller than anywhere else, and they're farther away from the heart,

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<v Speaker 3>so they claw with clack first, and it's like a

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<v Speaker 3>warning sign for guys. If that starts happening. Usually with

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<v Speaker 3>three to five years, you're looking at heart problems. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's like I would say, like it's your check engine light, right, It's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, you get gotta get it circulation.

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<v Speaker 3>Through penis boot Camp. I called this penis boot camp

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<v Speaker 3>because I used to be a personal trainer. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, look, we're going to clean up our lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna start eating healthy, we're gonna start working now,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to use this pump like and we're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>get our penis back. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my, it was fascinating. Let's transition a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you learn about yourself working there?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So the biggest transformation that happened for me was

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<v Speaker 3>finding safety with men like I had. I was given

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<v Speaker 3>this blueprint for men by my father that was he

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<v Speaker 3>was an alcoholic, he was verbally abusive, he was absent, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So I got this in. You know, men were to

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<v Speaker 3>me that that's what they were. They weren't around, they

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<v Speaker 3>weren't to be trusted, and I would go seeking those relationships,

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<v Speaker 3>right and anytime I found a safe man, I was like, hmm,

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<v Speaker 3>you're boring. I don't trust any of this, right, so

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<v Speaker 3>totally run away to the next thing. And and so

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<v Speaker 3>what and is I didn't realize that men again were

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<v Speaker 3>capable of this level of emotion, capable of the shame,

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<v Speaker 3>and it helped me disarm myself towards them and see

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<v Speaker 3>them as human and say, wait a second, they're just

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<v Speaker 3>like us. They just can't show it. Why is no

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<v Speaker 3>one talking about this and so being able to be

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<v Speaker 3>let into their personal stories of grief. Maybe they had

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<v Speaker 3>lost their wife two years ago, how to get back

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<v Speaker 3>out there. They feel guilty, like they're cheating on her. Still,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe their wife thinks they're cheating on them because their

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<v Speaker 3>penis doesn't work right. Like, there's so many stories I

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<v Speaker 3>kept collecting. Oh yeah, and I started seeing this pattern,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, whoa. They are dealing with so

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<v Speaker 3>much and they're just looking for permission to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to talk about it. And I'm like, well, I have

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<v Speaker 3>your broken dick in my hand. I think this is

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<v Speaker 3>a good space, right. Like it was like I was

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<v Speaker 3>their therapist and it was helping me learn and trust

0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:52.720
<v Speaker 3>them right And ultimately, most importantly, my father died right

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<v Speaker 3>before I started the job, so I got certain he

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<v Speaker 3>passed away, and then I came back and had my

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<v Speaker 3>first client, and you know, he had cancer. We knew

0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.280
<v Speaker 3>it was, but losing somebody that you have such a

0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.000
<v Speaker 3>complicated relationship can kind of mess with you, right because

0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:08.200
<v Speaker 3>you feel the sense of almost relief, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know when to deal with that. I was like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>my gosh, Okay, he can never hurt me again. I

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<v Speaker 3>can never say anything again. But now it's never going

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<v Speaker 3>to get better. So what does it mean? And so

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<v Speaker 3>this job actually almost like saved me from just spouse

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<v Speaker 3>about that because I had such I had. I was

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<v Speaker 3>like focusing on helping other people, helping men, and they

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<v Speaker 3>were teaching me so much about my dad that I

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<v Speaker 3>did not understand. Wow, it was like I was seeing

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<v Speaker 3>him in their behavior, and I was like, oh, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>he had all this pain that he didn't know how

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<v Speaker 3>to deal with. Maybe he was trying to hide in

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<v Speaker 3>his ways of and it just it absolutely transformed, and

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<v Speaker 3>I was able to make peace with him after he

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<v Speaker 3>died and forgive him.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I need to do this job because I have

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<v Speaker 1>almost an identical story like yours, you know, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I hear you, I feel you, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>That is probably yeah, because I can relate to put

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<v Speaker 1>it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you married or single?

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<v Speaker 3>I am? Now? I am?

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<v Speaker 2>Now you're married?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Congratulations recently?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it one of your clients?

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<v Speaker 1>Just kidding?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>No, god right, no, couldn't be farther from that, but no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's but man, listen, it transformed my relationships with men

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<v Speaker 3>like I got out of a relationship I was in

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<v Speaker 3>at the time, in the job, and it was, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like it, I could never I can't. Well now from

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<v Speaker 3>now on, I can't really look at men the same.

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<v Speaker 3>I see. I have such a soft spot in my

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<v Speaker 3>heart for them. I'm passionate what they're hiding. I see

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<v Speaker 3>what they're avoiding, and I'm just like, Oh, we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to get there. That's one of the reasons I felt

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<v Speaker 3>this conviction to tell my story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so let's talk about it then. So what was

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<v Speaker 2>the process like writing the book?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my goodness, Okay, So this job actually happened about

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<v Speaker 3>eight years ago. So I was in COVID. I ended

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<v Speaker 3>up writing a pilot because I'm a screenwriter first, and

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<v Speaker 3>I saw this world on TV. That's how I storytell

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<v Speaker 3>and so you know, COVID was happening, okay, and then

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<v Speaker 3>we started taking it out. The strikes happened, and then

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<v Speaker 3>the fires and all these things, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, what if I just wrote a book

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<v Speaker 3>and I told my whole story. And I got the

0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.160
<v Speaker 3>idea a few years ago during the strikes, and I'd

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<v Speaker 3>never written a book. I didn't know how to do that.

0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:15.840
<v Speaker 3>I was like, is this just like read writing my

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<v Speaker 3>diary and like putting it out in the world. How

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<v Speaker 3>do I do this? And so I ended up pitching

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<v Speaker 3>the publishing company Storyteller Publishing last year, and I said, listen,

0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.960
<v Speaker 3>I have this incredible idea. It's one of those things

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<v Speaker 3>that's never been able to leave me alone. And I

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<v Speaker 3>always like, I always sort of use that as my

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<v Speaker 3>my barometer. It's like, if I have a story that

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<v Speaker 3>I cannot get out of my head, that's the one

0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.400
<v Speaker 3>I have to tell. And this one is like very,

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<v Speaker 3>very unique and it's a real story. So I'm like,

0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.600
<v Speaker 3>no one else has the story. There's no way, right,

0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.800
<v Speaker 3>So one story I have nobody else can tell. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>So we talked about what that would look like and

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<v Speaker 3>last year I started kind of outlining writing got notes.

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<v Speaker 3>We did it, you know, over six months, back and forth,

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<v Speaker 3>and the book was done and so here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't have a gross writer. You did everything else,

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<v Speaker 2>so I did.

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<v Speaker 3>I had to do it myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to wow, wow, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So I think like the next question I have

0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:15.399
<v Speaker 1>would be like, what was the scariest part of writing

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<v Speaker 1>that book?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, because you're really you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Also being very vulnerable, and also did you have to

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<v Speaker 1>get permission from them?

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<v Speaker 2>Like how does this work?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I changed everybody's names and I didn't anything that

0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.879
<v Speaker 3>would be identifying enough, right of course anybody. I was

0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.879
<v Speaker 3>very conscientious of that. And yeah, the scariest part I

0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.879
<v Speaker 3>would say is I always say like I was like

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<v Speaker 3>Diane Keaton in that movie Something's Got to Give, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that movie, She's just like.

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<v Speaker 3>Muscling her way through crying. It was. It was very

0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.040
<v Speaker 3>healing for me, but it was also confronting to look

0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:50.320
<v Speaker 3>at the ways, like the responsibility that I had in

0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.919
<v Speaker 3>a lot of the situations that I maybe previously felt

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<v Speaker 3>like a victim in or felt like I was wrong

0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.760
<v Speaker 3>or whatever, and going like, let me take a step back,

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<v Speaker 3>and yes, it's crazy to be the author and the

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<v Speaker 3>main character, but let me hold myself responsible for some

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<v Speaker 3>or accountable for things. And that was really helpful for me,

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<v Speaker 3>but also very confronting and vulnerable. And then I think, truthfully,

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<v Speaker 3>the hardest stuff was writing about my dad because I

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<v Speaker 3>go back in childhood to you know, and that was

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<v Speaker 3>that was it was. It was hard. It was hard,

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<v Speaker 3>but beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you intentionally wait for your dad to pass prior

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<v Speaker 1>to writing a book.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he died right before I started the job, so

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<v Speaker 3>I don't story until you know he was well well gone.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I mean definitely there's a safety in that, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that the job would landed the same

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<v Speaker 3>way I wouldn't have had the healing journey was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you find the healing journey more through writing or

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<v Speaker 1>through being through working?

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<v Speaker 3>I think writing, I think reflecting it, right. I think

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<v Speaker 3>while I was in it, I was so focused on

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<v Speaker 3>what was happening to the men in front of me.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't realize what was happening to me yet. I

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<v Speaker 3>needed some space from it to go, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>this completely changed me and I didn't even realize that

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<v Speaker 3>was happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, were you in therapy during this time or no?

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<v Speaker 1>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow wow okay, okay, yeah yeah, wow. That's that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what do you think, what do you want

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<v Speaker 1>people to take away once they read your memoir?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's such a good question. I feel this.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel this responsibility to share what I learned about

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<v Speaker 3>men in order to help shed light not It's not

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<v Speaker 3>a book that mocks them. It's not like we're women

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<v Speaker 3>and we're so we apologize. It's like it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you're human too, we see I see that. I hope

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<v Speaker 3>other women can see that, and I hope we can

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<v Speaker 3>bridge this gap between toxic masculinity and toxic feminity because

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<v Speaker 3>underneath it all, we're all just like hurting. We're all

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<v Speaker 3>just confused. We can find peace in the messy middle

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<v Speaker 3>if we could just all like let our guards down

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<v Speaker 3>and come together. It's a very big ask and a

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<v Speaker 3>big swing, but that's my like, you know, that would

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<v Speaker 3>be a hope that it it sheds light in this

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<v Speaker 3>new way into male vulnerability that we maybe haven't seen before.

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<v Speaker 1>I think honestly too, if you know, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I can relate to your story, I think it would

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<v Speaker 1>maybe for me at least have compassion towards you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just their different way of showing vulnerability, right. Like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I used to be a performer and I used to dance,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would like whenever I get nervous or get

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<v Speaker 1>a stage fright, it's like, you know, my coach would

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<v Speaker 1>always say, we all got assholes, like literally every single

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<v Speaker 1>person sitting here, like there's no don't put anyone on

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<v Speaker 1>a pedestal, like we are all one in that sense.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, do you have any final thoughts before we

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<v Speaker 1>wrap up?

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<v Speaker 2>This is? This is great.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm just listen. I'm excited to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>have this platform and just be with you guys and

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<v Speaker 3>chat about it because there there is something and it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's a bit of a humor and heartbreak. So there's

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<v Speaker 3>something for everybody on my story and I hope, I

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<v Speaker 3>hope they enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for sharing your story and where can people

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<v Speaker 2>find it?

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<v Speaker 3>Anywhere? Books are sold independent bookstores, Amazon, Marts and Noble. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>all the spots.

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<v Speaker 2>So, and you're social media handled? Are you on all platforms?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Christina's have been dead and it is Christina with

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<v Speaker 3>a K.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. That was so fun. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>with you, Thank you honey, Thanks bye, hey bye.

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