Speaker 1: I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When
Speaker 1: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 1: And when I find my ball in a brid egg
Speaker 1: Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg.
Speaker 2: Frida egg Frida egg bride egg.
Speaker 1: Lie, I'm about ready to run off the golf course.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Golf Podcast.
Speaker 3: I am your host, Andy Johnson, and as always, following
Speaker 3: our major championship coverage, I am joined by the great
Speaker 3: Trevor Immelman. Uh to break down this year's US Open.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: That was a thrill ride of a Sunday with Wyndham
Speaker 3: Clark eventually holding on over Sam Burns to win the
Speaker 3: US Open, his second US Open title amidst a very
Speaker 3: unique and interesting crowd in New York.
Speaker 1: It was a bit hostile towards Window Clark.
Speaker 3: So we break down the tournament together and kind of
Speaker 3: talk about everything from Window Clark's you know, come back here,
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get.
Speaker 3: To Trevor Immlement. All right, Trevor, the twenty twenty sixth
Speaker 3: US Opens. In the books, Wyndham Clark had a really
Speaker 3: thrilling win. I think it was kind of a roller
Speaker 3: coaster ride for fans, not knowing really what's.
Speaker 1: Going to happen.
Speaker 3: And you, for the first time this year, were a
Speaker 3: real fan. You were watching from your couch, you weren't
Speaker 3: working the telecast. What are your big picture thoughts of
Speaker 3: the US Open and what was it like, you know,
Speaker 3: get this at your own schedule for the first time
Speaker 3: in a while for a major.
Speaker 2: Well, Andy, it was awesome. I mean, look, I'm such
Speaker 2: a golf nut that any way, shape or form that
Speaker 2: that I could be a part of it. I love it,
Speaker 2: whether I'm a fan at home sitting on the couch
Speaker 2: like I was for this US Open, or whether I'm
Speaker 2: on site working the broadcast. I just love seeing great
Speaker 2: historic golf courses, good tests for these guys, the biggest
Speaker 2: championships in the world. You know, you could really feel
Speaker 2: all week that it means something to be at Shinnecock.
Speaker 2: It means something to be able to play in the
Speaker 2: US Open, and so I got a real kick out
Speaker 2: of that. And then you add to that how it
Speaker 2: kind of works alongside Father's Day, which gives you an
Speaker 2: excuse to spend even more hours on the couch, and
Speaker 2: so I had a blast. Man. I thought the build
Speaker 2: up was fantastic, the anticipation of this great venue, with
Speaker 2: the weather and the wind, and how the golf course
Speaker 2: was going to play, who's inform, who's struggling, who can
Speaker 2: play in all these crosswinds. There was so much great
Speaker 2: build up to follow along with. And then, you know,
Speaker 2: the beauty of live sports is you never quite know
Speaker 2: what's going to happen once the tournament starts. And you know,
Speaker 2: the first day was obviously a little different to what
Speaker 2: we anticipated with that afternoon wave. Rarely getting a good
Speaker 2: break and having some great opportunities to make some birdies.
Speaker 2: But the USGA overall, for me, did a fantastic job.
Speaker 2: Man every day just started ratcheting up the pressure and
Speaker 2: the shot quality that these guys needed to hit in
Speaker 2: order to survive and make a few birdies. And so
Speaker 2: it was. It was marvelous. I loved it. I loved
Speaker 2: everything about it.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, if we zero in on the
Speaker 3: course before we get to window Clark and kind of
Speaker 3: the feet of winning his second US Open title, I
Speaker 3: felt like the knives were out from people that were
Speaker 3: kind of watching, uh not on the grounds.
Speaker 1: The knives were out, ready to pounce.
Speaker 3: And there's just, you know this I think sentiment that
Speaker 3: that's grown that the US Open. We want the carnage
Speaker 3: back in the US Open. And I think everybody anticipated
Speaker 3: Shinnacock being this car, this course that's going to dole
Speaker 3: out carnage, especially with the wind forecasts. And meanwhile you
Speaker 3: had this other organization that the last two times they've
Speaker 3: been at Shitacock, they've had some controversies in terms of
Speaker 3: the setup, and it was this kind of almost mismatch
Speaker 3: in expectations. I feel like from the from the fan
Speaker 3: to the to the the tournament host, and I think
Speaker 3: we got there at the end to where everybody it
Speaker 3: seemed like everybody was happy at the end, but it
Speaker 3: was it was a ride where there was some disgruntled
Speaker 3: fans or spectators or interested parties along the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean looked like you say. A
Speaker 2: large part of that is because of the two previous
Speaker 2: US Opens that were held at Chinnecock Hills. Four. I
Speaker 2: played in that one, it was one of my first
Speaker 2: US Opens, and then eighteen where both times, you know, shucks.
Speaker 2: I remember in four getting to that seventh tee and
Speaker 2: having to wait on the tee as they were watering
Speaker 2: the green because guys were just putting it off into
Speaker 2: the bunker, and so they kind of lost the course
Speaker 2: that time around. Happened again in eighteen. Some some unbelievable
Speaker 2: footage there of interviews from players as they're coming off
Speaker 2: the greens. Remember Zach Johnson. You remember Phil running after
Speaker 2: the ball and hitting it while it's still moving. And
Speaker 2: so I think the usj were aware of that, and
Speaker 2: they knew that they had to get this right. They
Speaker 2: could not go three in a row and have something
Speaker 2: untoward happened, and so they were probably a little defensive,
Speaker 2: and I totally get that. I understand that, but I
Speaker 2: agree with you. You know, at the end of the week,
Speaker 2: you've got three players under par, winners at four under,
Speaker 2: and they did a marvelous job, great job just controlling
Speaker 2: the firmness. I would have loved to have seen the Greens'
Speaker 2: hair faster, but it's just so difficult when you're that
Speaker 2: close to the water to judge and know with certainty
Speaker 2: how strong the wind is going to be. And as
Speaker 2: you start getting the greens firmer, if that wind just
Speaker 2: kicks up a few miles an hour more than what
Speaker 2: you're anticipating or preparing for, then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: you may have to stop playing because balls are moving.
Speaker 2: And so I totally get it. And at the end
Speaker 2: of the week, I took my cap to the USGA
Speaker 2: and really appreciate what they did to get through the
Speaker 2: week unscathed and allow for a perfect championship to take place.
Speaker 3: For you, as somebody's who's played the vast majority of
Speaker 3: these US Open courses, I mean I think they've you know,
Speaker 3: they've pretty much locked in their their regular championship sites
Speaker 3: Shittacock Hills is a once to ten year site for them,
Speaker 3: which feels like kind of the right cadence for the
Speaker 3: club and the USGA in terms of after while it's
Speaker 3: fresh in your mind, where where do you think it
Speaker 3: falls in terms of the host sites that the USGA has.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's up there in so many ways. The history,
Speaker 2: the clubhouse, the golf course, the routing, the green complexes
Speaker 2: are phenomenal. I loved what Bodenhammer said earlier in the
Speaker 2: week in his press conference, which I thought was really
Speaker 2: cool when he explained, you know, the test in Shinnecock
Speaker 2: is it asks more questions and it gets tougher the
Speaker 2: closer you get to the green. In a lot of ways,
Speaker 2: it's a little bit like Augusta National in that sense
Speaker 2: where you've got a little bit of space, you've got
Speaker 2: some room to be an artist, but you know, when
Speaker 2: you get down to the greens, you're really going to
Speaker 2: have to have great nerve. And I enjoyed that aspect
Speaker 2: of it, and really even you can look to the
Speaker 2: final hole of the tournament, Wyndham's got this one shot lead.
Speaker 2: He doesn't hit the best of drives, He's coming out
Speaker 2: the rough. He's now got to guess how fast this
Speaker 2: ball is going to come out. He knows if he
Speaker 2: goes along, very difficult up and down, so he's trying
Speaker 2: to tiptoe up to the front and keep it on
Speaker 2: the green, does that and then still has such a
Speaker 2: difficult two put in order to win the tournament with
Speaker 2: all that pressure on the line. So it's just just
Speaker 2: a marvelous venue. And I think, you know, we're like
Speaker 2: the one in every ten years, one in every eight years.
Speaker 2: I kind of like that for a venue like Shinnecock
Speaker 2: Hills because it maintains the mystique about the place and
Speaker 2: it allows people to really look forward to getting to
Speaker 2: see it on TV or getting to see it as
Speaker 2: a fan if you get on site for the US Open.
Speaker 2: So I think it works really well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the cadence of that.
Speaker 3: I'm not the biggest fan of the you know, we're
Speaker 3: going back to Pinehurst in two years, you know, I
Speaker 3: feel like that's almost too quick where it's you know,
Speaker 3: it was two years ago we watched that, and you know,
Speaker 3: given how big the country is and how many great
Speaker 3: golf courses there are in America, it feels like some
Speaker 3: regional diversity and course diversity is in there, you know now,
Speaker 3: and then you have, you know, on the other end
Speaker 3: of the spectrum. You know, what a venue I thought
Speaker 3: was marvelous a couple of years ago was the country
Speaker 3: Club and it seems like they're on the once every
Speaker 3: twenty year, you know.
Speaker 1: Kind of rotation. So it's interesting how they've set it up.
Speaker 3: I would agree with you about it being at the
Speaker 3: top or near the top. I think the thing that
Speaker 3: I took away from it is I really like and
Speaker 3: this is just a personal taste, and I think, you know,
Speaker 3: different people have different tastes, but I really like the
Speaker 3: venues where you can pass the first test, which is
Speaker 3: the t shot, where hey, if I'm driving the ball
Speaker 3: great at Shitnacock Hills, there's a real chance that I'll
Speaker 3: hit every shot on a day from the fairway, and
Speaker 3: if I'm driving it awesome making good decisions that feels
Speaker 3: like something that should be achievable if you have a
Speaker 3: spectacular day, you know. And with that though, that's where
Speaker 3: it gets so challenging. And as you said, you know,
Speaker 3: in both recounting Bodenhammer, you know, it gets more difficult
Speaker 3: the closer you get to the hole. And I think
Speaker 3: that's the fascinating thing about about Shitnacock is just there
Speaker 3: are real questions about where where do I lay this?
Speaker 3: And I think like we did a thing with Ben
Speaker 3: Griffin before the before the week where he was talking
Speaker 3: about ten and he went into a marvelous detail about
Speaker 3: the tenth hole about what what you know, you know,
Speaker 3: I could lay back, I could go down, and by
Speaker 3: the end you could tell he kind of got to
Speaker 3: this point and he said something along the lines of,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't really know what the right thing
Speaker 3: to do is. And I think there are a lot
Speaker 3: of situations at Shinnacock that leave you with that, yeah,
Speaker 3: of I'm not sure I played that right. If you
Speaker 3: made a birdie, you definitely think you played it right, but.
Speaker 1: Like you may not.
Speaker 3: And I think that's what makes it such a compelling
Speaker 3: venue in terms of, you know, the wind direction changes
Speaker 3: and it completely shifts the dynamics of of what to
Speaker 3: do or what you know is the ideal play on
Speaker 3: a given hole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that tenth hole to me is it's got to
Speaker 2: be one of the best holes in championship golf. It's
Speaker 2: so much fun. You know, we don't see it all
Speaker 2: that often anymore. I know you and I are on
Speaker 2: the same side of the distance debate and technology debate,
Speaker 2: but it's not often you see anymore where the players
Speaker 2: of this generation have to think so much about strategy
Speaker 2: and trying to figure out what the best way is
Speaker 2: to unlock a golf hole and have an opportunity at
Speaker 2: the very least to make four pars in a hole
Speaker 2: and not blow yourself out of making a cut or
Speaker 2: blow yourself out of winning the tournament. And you know,
Speaker 2: we saw everything there. We saw mid irons off the tea,
Speaker 2: we saw fairway woods, we saw driving irons, we saw drivers,
Speaker 2: We saw guys laying back and leaving themselves one hundred
Speaker 2: and ninety yards to the hole. We saw Rory almost
Speaker 2: drive it on the green on Saturday, and then he
Speaker 2: missed the green on his second shot Like this. It's
Speaker 2: one of those holes where just bombing it way down
Speaker 2: there isn't always your best play, and unfortunately we see
Speaker 2: that a lot in this modern game. And so I
Speaker 2: just loved watching the tenth hole this week and seeing,
Speaker 2: you know, you consider how Wyndham played the tenth hole
Speaker 2: yesterday with the little chippy drive things weren't going He's way.
Speaker 2: It all made a nice up and down there at nine,
Speaker 2: but he had coughed up the majority of the lead
Speaker 2: and he hits up like a real golf shot off
Speaker 2: the tee, not a full steam driver. He took probably
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty miles an hour of speed off for
Speaker 2: that and managed to coax it down that little funnel
Speaker 2: and get it running down there. And then the shot
Speaker 2: he's hit, the control and the amount of spin that
Speaker 2: he was able to generate from around seventy yards to
Speaker 2: get that ball to land into the ridge and then
Speaker 2: spin down to the hole. That was real golf right there.
Speaker 2: And the fact that he and Scotty both birdied that
Speaker 2: hole in the final round I thought was kind of
Speaker 2: fun because we saw so many players coming undone there
Speaker 2: throughout the week. I thoroughly enjoyed that tenth hole. It's
Speaker 2: a beauty.
Speaker 1: The tenth hole.
Speaker 3: It was super pivotal in the in the tournament and
Speaker 3: the last time we were at Shittacock we saw people
Speaker 3: just like basically lose the tournament on the first hole
Speaker 3: of their day on the tenth. This year on Saturday,
Speaker 3: you saw Rory that where he hits that mammoth ty
Speaker 3: shot almost drives the green, then he misses the green.
Speaker 1: He leads to bogie.
Speaker 3: That was kind of the start of the unraveling of
Speaker 3: him from in the hunt to out of the tournament.
Speaker 3: You saw Sam Burns, who is moving along and this is,
Speaker 3: I think what you alluded to. I was following that
Speaker 3: group and all of a sudden, I'm looking where he's
Speaker 3: hitting from. I'm like, what do you mishitted off the tee?
Speaker 3: Like how is he so far back? He has one
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety plus into the green and he has
Speaker 3: a really good shot, almost makes a birdie there. But
Speaker 3: then you and I'm looking at the flag and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't you know, this is something I think about,
Speaker 3: you know, with players that have reached the level that
Speaker 3: you've reached in your life, players that are playing there.
Speaker 1: I look at that flag and I'm like.
Speaker 3: There's nobody that's going to hit it remotely close to
Speaker 3: this flag. The other one yesterday that I looked at
Speaker 3: and I don't think anybody hit it really close to
Speaker 3: that I saw was fifteen. I'm you know, under no
Speaker 3: circumstances can you hit the ball close to this flag
Speaker 3: but without fail, you know, one of these freaks always
Speaker 3: hits it close to it and the Windom shot, I mean,
Speaker 3: what the Scottie shot right before I'm watching it on
Speaker 3: my phone. I'm like, my god, that was an incredible shot,
Speaker 3: and then Windham hits it. I couldn't believe the amount
Speaker 3: of spin he was able to generate on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know. It's uh, you know, playing at
Speaker 2: that level for a little while and now watching it
Speaker 2: really up up close and observing all the intricacies of it,
Speaker 2: you know, it is fascinating week after week to see
Speaker 2: the shots that these guys hit under this sort of pressure.
Speaker 2: I get a real kick out of watching. You go
Speaker 2: back to the tenth hole. You know, Windom clock played
Speaker 2: that hole in two under for the week. Sam Burns
Speaker 2: played that hole in one over for the week. So
Speaker 2: that's a three shot swing right there on the tenth.
Speaker 2: I just love it when the best players in the
Speaker 2: world get given options and then they can figure out
Speaker 2: how they can use their weapons with the elements that
Speaker 2: they have in that moment regarding firmness, wind, direction, where
Speaker 2: they are on the tournament, all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: and then have to pick an option and try and
Speaker 2: unlock a golf hole. To me, I think there's real
Speaker 2: artistry and beauty in that, and it's one of the
Speaker 2: things that I really love about this game.
Speaker 3: You know, years ago, when I was first getting to
Speaker 3: know our mutual friend Jeff Ogilvie, he said something to
Speaker 3: me that stuck and I hadn't put this together. He
Speaker 3: once said, he said to me, you know, one of
Speaker 3: the shames of golf is that we don't You don't
Speaker 3: that fans don't regularly get to see all the shots
Speaker 3: that we can hit, Like all the most of the
Speaker 3: golf courses don't ask questions hard enough where where the
Speaker 3: elite of the game hit all the shots that they can.
Speaker 3: And I think that's one of the enthralling things about Shinnakok.
Speaker 3: And you saw it play out, if you just wanted
Speaker 3: to examine Sunday, you saw some extraordinary shot making. You know,
Speaker 3: we've hit on this the shot by Windham on ten.
Speaker 3: But if you if you drill into the circumstance of
Speaker 3: like you just played a terrible nine, like pretty horrendous nine.
Speaker 3: There were a lot of bad shots. You know, you
Speaker 3: think about the way he played five, the way he's
Speaker 3: escaped on six. You know, the t shot on eight,
Speaker 3: you know, the way he scraped around a par on nine,
Speaker 3: and then you go to this tenth hole and it's
Speaker 3: the most demanding shot of all And I mean he
Speaker 3: took on a lot of risk with that shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, pull it off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that to me that you just took
Speaker 2: the word out of my mouth right there, Because when
Speaker 2: you give these guys options, you know, now it's it
Speaker 2: becomes like a risk assessment situation for them. And he's
Speaker 2: just played this terrible front nine of three over. He's
Speaker 2: lost all the momentum. The crowd has turned on him
Speaker 2: there against him. They want Sheffler or Burns or somebody
Speaker 2: else to win. And you know, so now he's weighing
Speaker 2: up what the options are. And when you have like
Speaker 2: this risk assessment decision to make now, doubt can creep in.
Speaker 2: And doubt is the biggest killer in any golfer's game,
Speaker 2: whether you're an eighteen handicapper or the best player in
Speaker 2: the world. When you're standing over a shot and you
Speaker 2: not totally can convinced that you're making the right play,
Speaker 2: that's when funky stuff starts to happen. And I mean
Speaker 2: he just faced it head on there, decided to go
Speaker 2: with the driver and it paid off for him, and
Speaker 2: that really jump started his his play and him getting
Speaker 2: his nose in front again and getting things going his way,
Speaker 2: and then he built up that nice cushion to be
Speaker 2: able to play the last two holes a little bit
Speaker 2: more defensively again.
Speaker 3: Obviously, one of the big stories about Windham is kind
Speaker 3: of how how the week went for Wyndam Clark. Obviously,
Speaker 3: on the right side of the draw. He came in
Speaker 3: playing you know, a number of terms that you called
Speaker 3: fantastic golf, playing some of the best golf of his career,
Speaker 3: on the lead, on the lead in he gets the
Speaker 3: right side of the draw and it leads to this
Speaker 3: wired wire victory of the US Open. But you know,
Speaker 3: in a I don't know if we'll ever see this again.
Speaker 3: A hostile America, hostile environment for an American playing his
Speaker 3: own national championship, where you know, the crowds.
Speaker 1: I it was honestly.
Speaker 3: Like moments where I was speechless of you know, the
Speaker 3: situation where he, you know, hits these great shots and
Speaker 3: there's like no applause.
Speaker 1: You know, he gets up and down on four.
Speaker 3: I stayed on seventeen to follow Burns, and you know,
Speaker 3: you you learn when you're following, you know, out you
Speaker 3: listen for things, and I just heard a sigh and
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for the telecast to catch up, and I
Speaker 3: hear a sigh, and I'm like, he must have made
Speaker 3: another bogey And so no, he made a fifteen foot or.
Speaker 1: For par.
Speaker 3: And I'm just am curious. Have you ever seen anything
Speaker 3: like that in your career?
Speaker 2: Ah? Gosh, I mean that's not really not really. I
Speaker 2: mean outside of like Ryder Cups and Presidents Cups where
Speaker 2: it's really patriotic and people are actively rooting foreign against
Speaker 2: a particular team. This was an interesting one. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't even know what my take is on this.
Speaker 2: Andy Uh. You know, it's been such a such an
Speaker 2: interesting ride for him in his professional career, and you know,
Speaker 2: obviously the things that jump out are, you know, he
Speaker 2: wins his first major at l ACC, and he wins
Speaker 2: the US Open there, taking down all the big dogs
Speaker 2: at the top of their game. So you know, that's
Speaker 2: that's an impressive feat right there. And then you know
Speaker 2: the issues that he has at Oakmont and Quayle holl
Speaker 2: and the way all of that was handled seemed to
Speaker 2: really bother a lot of fans and a lot of people,
Speaker 2: and that's that's rightly so, and that's fair. But it
Speaker 2: was just so fascinating to watch how he was received by,
Speaker 2: you know, a home crowd. It was it was so interesting,
Speaker 2: and you know, I think back to other sports. You
Speaker 2: think of, like a game that I love and grew
Speaker 2: up watching in South Africa's rugby. Right It's like it's
Speaker 2: one of the toughest sports out there, and these guys
Speaker 2: just go at each other for you know, more than
Speaker 2: an hour. It's it's eighty minutes, it's two halves. It's
Speaker 2: like the toughest sport you'll ever see, and no matter
Speaker 2: what happens at the end, the respect between the competitors
Speaker 2: and the fans congratulated whoever won is there. You feel
Speaker 2: it in the NHL, You feel it in hockey. You know,
Speaker 2: guys are basically trying to knock each other out on
Speaker 2: the ice, but the game finishes and they all, you know,
Speaker 2: they go down the line, they shake hands, they congratulate
Speaker 2: each other and move on. And I was wondering if
Speaker 2: that would happened yesterday, because you know, we felt it
Speaker 2: on Saturday, and then it built a little more on
Speaker 2: social media overnight and then came out Sunday, particularly with
Speaker 2: him playing with Scottie, and you could feel it from
Speaker 2: the jump that you know it was going to be
Speaker 2: a tough ride for him, and I think in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways that probably contributed to the bad front
Speaker 2: nine and it's why ten was maybe even up and
Speaker 2: down at nine, and then the birdy at ten was
Speaker 2: just so pivotal for him to like feel like he
Speaker 2: gets a little something going his way. But I was
Speaker 2: wondering whether, you know, as he's coming down to the
Speaker 2: finish line and he hits it on regulation in two
Speaker 2: at eighteen and he hits a pretty incredible putt just
Speaker 2: like you did at lacc up to tap in, you know,
Speaker 2: any one of us could have made that putt.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I was wondering how that moment would be received, Like
Speaker 2: would everybody finally then say, Okay, you know, we gave
Speaker 2: you out all we didn't weren't necessarily rooting for you today,
Speaker 2: but you've done it anyway, and great job. Congratulations the
Speaker 2: US Open champion. But it didn't feel like it really
Speaker 2: happened to me. That's what I felt watching broadcast. You
Speaker 2: were there, tell me about.
Speaker 1: It being there on the ground.
Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like it, you know, I think
Speaker 3: the Brighter Cup was it was it that was a
Speaker 3: nasty crowd. Yeah, where it was vulgar, it was it
Speaker 3: was way it was. It was things that you're taught
Speaker 3: as a kid, that you you don't say to other people.
Speaker 3: This one was just like openly. It felt more like
Speaker 3: if I was in a in a you know, if
Speaker 3: you're if you go to opposing stadium and you know,
Speaker 3: it's like a kind of like a good spirited you know,
Speaker 3: we're rooting against this guy is one team, we're rooting
Speaker 3: against them.
Speaker 1: But that's not really the way I feel like golf
Speaker 1: fandom normally works.
Speaker 3: And if I think about before I got into golf,
Speaker 3: people always used to be like, oh, you're into golf,
Speaker 3: Like who's your favorite player? And be like, well, I
Speaker 3: like like a bunch of guys, like here are the
Speaker 3: people I like, you know, But it wasn't ever like
Speaker 3: you're just kind of still enjoying watching someone that maybe
Speaker 3: not one of your favorite players play well, you like
Speaker 3: appreciate it.
Speaker 1: This crowd it felt like a what happens.
Speaker 3: It felt like when the Bears went to Lambeau and
Speaker 3: beat the packers, and there's this silence, like deafening silence
Speaker 3: when he hit the putt to tap in range. That
Speaker 3: was such a hard putt, ay as you call it,
Speaker 3: like He's hit two of the best lag putts I've
Speaker 3: ever seen.
Speaker 1: Given the stakes in.
Speaker 3: My life with lacc in this one, I was, you know,
Speaker 3: similarly positioned.
Speaker 1: But for him to hit this putt that, like the.
Speaker 3: Golf fandom in that area has a fairly high IQ.
Speaker 3: For him to hit that good of a putt in
Speaker 3: that situation, needing to two putt and just leaving himself
Speaker 3: like the most casual mark had he basically he started
Speaker 3: celebrating as soon as he hit the putt. And for
Speaker 3: him to be met with zero like basically only his
Speaker 3: twelve people that all poured out on the green up cheering.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was one of the craziest situations I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: It was so interesting. It was so interesting. But the game,
Speaker 2: the game is, the pro game has changed, you know,
Speaker 2: you speak about like the culture we grew up in
Speaker 2: and the etiquette we was taught we were taught growing up.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's it's not our grandfather's sport anymore.
Speaker 2: You know, it's changed. And you know what, I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not here, by the way, saying that it's changed
Speaker 2: for the better or the worse. I'm just saying that
Speaker 2: it's different. And we have the game has exploded. Really,
Speaker 2: we have bunches of new fans that love it, which
Speaker 2: is great. We have gambling, which is certainly something that's new.
Speaker 2: We have social media, which adds a lot more noise
Speaker 2: and interaction and banter back and forth with people. We
Speaker 2: have players playing for tons more money, and so it's
Speaker 2: just different. It's just different. And yeah, it was, it was.
Speaker 2: It felt a little awkward to me watching it on TV.
Speaker 3: I you know, I completely agree with like the amount
Speaker 3: of discourse and the amount of information about players has
Speaker 3: never been greater. And and then you throw in the
Speaker 3: gambling aspect, where people have inherent rooting interests that are
Speaker 3: tied to to like their livelihoods in some cases, and
Speaker 3: you're going to get a completely different fan base, something
Speaker 3: that I've you know, Windom is not a like nobody
Speaker 3: in the world is perfect. And Windham I as the
Speaker 3: week kind of went on, and you know, Windham has
Speaker 3: like I don't think, like everybody's built to be in
Speaker 3: the spotlight. And Wyndham has done some things that are stupid,
Speaker 3: and I think he's be probably the first. He admitted
Speaker 3: it so much in his post round and in his
Speaker 3: you know post round after you know, every round, basically like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've made mistakes and I haven't handled it well, but
Speaker 3: like that's what life is.
Speaker 1: He's thirty two years old, you know, this is not somebody.
Speaker 1: This is somebody that is still.
Speaker 3: Like becoming an adult, you know, like a fully formed person.
Speaker 1: And if you think about, like.
Speaker 3: What where I like have trouble like putting these two
Speaker 3: things together. I get like, if if Wyndham Clark is
Speaker 3: not your speed, that's fine, absolutely, But what I don't
Speaker 3: understand is how there isn't any how there's no nobody
Speaker 3: that could take the side of like, you know what,
Speaker 3: Like this guy is trying to put his life together
Speaker 3: and he's gone through a lot of stuff in yeah
Speaker 3: it's been self inflicted, but like, can we look in
Speaker 3: the mirror and think about how much self inflicted crap
Speaker 3: that we've all put ourselves through, because like everybody does this,
Speaker 3: you know, his has just happened to do it because
Speaker 3: he's famous, you know, and I'm not excusing anything he's done.
Speaker 3: But like, I think there's a level of, like everybody
Speaker 3: wants more personality and more interesting tour pros.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: There there's like, you know, if you talk about Scotty,
Speaker 3: everybody's always a dial tone. He just doesn't bring anything
Speaker 3: to the table. And it's like if you're saying that,
Speaker 3: and then you have this guy who's putting on USA
Speaker 3: Hockey jerseys at the Canadian Open talking about opening grape
Speaker 3: after he wins in Tech, Like I don't, like, I
Speaker 3: don't get what what everybody wants, because like, not everybody
Speaker 3: can be Rory, not everybody can be Scottie, And this
Speaker 3: is a unique character on the PGA tour. And like
Speaker 3: you can disagree with, you know, his political views, you
Speaker 3: can disagree with what he did with the Oakmont locker,
Speaker 3: but I guess like I was mystified that nobody was
Speaker 3: supporting him, Like.
Speaker 2: Nobody, Yeah, yeah, I felt the same way. You know,
Speaker 2: I agree with you that you know, we've all done
Speaker 2: stuff in our lives that we regret. Whether you doesn't
Speaker 2: matter what industry you're in. Chucks, I threw clubs, broke
Speaker 2: clubs at times. Am I proud of it? Absolutely? Not?
Speaker 2: Would I do. I wish I could have that moment
Speaker 2: on again and not do that. Absolutely was I completely
Speaker 2: disgusted in myself the moment I did it, for sure.
Speaker 2: But you know, you've just got to be able to,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe at times, give people some grace, allow
Speaker 2: allow for them to have some growth and understand those
Speaker 2: things that they did wrong and learn from that and
Speaker 2: do better the next time. And you know, it appears
Speaker 2: to me in all my interactions with him that he
Speaker 2: is doing that and that he has done that, and
Speaker 2: he must feel so much more at peace with himself,
Speaker 2: because let me tell you something, if you're not at
Speaker 2: peace with yourself, golf is not a sport that you're
Speaker 2: going to excel in. You know, you look at the
Speaker 2: way that he started to play in the last couple
Speaker 2: of months. I mean, he must he must be feeling
Speaker 2: a lot better about the adjustments and the growth that
Speaker 2: he's had and adjustments that he's made. And so, you know,
Speaker 2: you don't have to be a fan, absolutely not, but
Speaker 2: you do have to tip your cap to the fact
Speaker 2: that this guy's now a two time US Open champion.
Speaker 2: He's won twice in his last handful of starts, and
Speaker 2: you know, this time he went wired a wire, which
Speaker 2: in this day and age is so ridiculously difficult. Andy
Speaker 2: when you consider the noise that is around a major
Speaker 2: championship nowadays, from you know, think about it. How many
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Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 2: Five? So five of you guys, all the other podcasts,
Speaker 2: all the other members of the media, Like, there's just
Speaker 2: so much going on. And for you to be in
Speaker 2: that heat and really under that much scrutiny for a
Speaker 2: full week and hold the lead, is it's impressive to
Speaker 2: get it done.
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Speaker 3: about about going wire to wire, obviously, is the golf course.
Speaker 3: You know, as you said, the late I mean the
Speaker 3: attention of a US Open, the late tea times with Windham,
Speaker 3: he's thirty two, he's seemingly he's seemingly if you follow
Speaker 3: his career to this late bloomer where you know he
Speaker 3: was expected to be this great collegiate player. He really
Speaker 3: became a great collegiate player in his in.
Speaker 1: His last year.
Speaker 3: You know, all the talk of LA was, oh, he's
Speaker 3: a late bloomer because he was playing opposite field events
Speaker 3: the year he won LA, and similarly this year he
Speaker 3: had lost his spot in signature events, which is a
Speaker 3: crazy thought of you were in the US Open, you
Speaker 3: won the US Open two years ago, and now you're
Speaker 3: you know, you're back to playing, you know, the the
Speaker 3: bottom tier of the PGA tour kind of schedule where
Speaker 3: he lost control, the ability to control his schedule before
Speaker 3: his US Open you know, his his major exemptions were up,
Speaker 3: and I think with Wyndham, I'm curious what what you
Speaker 3: think going forward. You know, he's got five wins, he's
Speaker 3: got two major championships, and he's thirty two. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's right in the middle of his prime. You know what,
Speaker 3: what are your expectations to move forward?
Speaker 2: Well, here's what I would say. We know for sure
Speaker 2: now he's got the toughness to be in the cauldron
Speaker 2: and still be able to find a way to win.
Speaker 2: He proved that to us this week. You know, the
Speaker 2: first one at LACC. You're trying to win your first major.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows. He doesn't even know how he's going to react,
Speaker 2: especially against that type of competition coming down the stretch,
Speaker 2: and he found a way to win. And so that
Speaker 2: sort of shows you, now, Okay, this guy's got a
Speaker 2: pretty high ceiling. He could go ahead and compete with
Speaker 2: the best in the biggest championships. This one he had,
Speaker 2: you know, everybody and their mothers and aunties rooting against him,
Speaker 2: and he still found a way to win. So we
Speaker 2: know he's got that mental toughness to be able to
Speaker 2: hang in there. He's got tons of power. I mean,
Speaker 2: people talk a lot about the big fade he does.
Speaker 2: What I've noticed, the more pressure he gets under, the
Speaker 2: more he starts to lean more and more on that
Speaker 2: fade because he just knows that he can hit that
Speaker 2: shot pretty much with certainty. And so then the question becomes, Okay,
Speaker 2: well can he start it far enough to the left
Speaker 2: to keep it on the whole that he's playned but
Speaker 2: tons of power? Unbelievable short gang chipping, pitching bunker play with,
Speaker 2: you know, not the most stylish technique. I mean, it
Speaker 2: looks pretty awkward at times, but the way the contact
Speaker 2: is and the strike is, and the way the ball
Speaker 2: flies and the way it reacts when it hits the
Speaker 2: green is great. Is really, really really great. And then
Speaker 2: now he's found this weapon over the last couple of
Speaker 2: months with this new putter, and he's starting to look
Speaker 2: more and more comfortable there. I think that was the
Speaker 2: thing that was rarely getting under his skin over the
Speaker 2: last couple of years, was just was not putting well
Speaker 2: at all when you look at the numbers, never ever
Speaker 2: getting any momentum there. So now he seems to have
Speaker 2: found something that he really likes. And you add that
Speaker 2: to the power, you add that to the good touch.
Speaker 2: You know, it's such an interesting question. There's so much
Speaker 2: recency biased whenever we do these pods or whenever you
Speaker 2: see a brilliant performance like this, you know, people ask
Speaker 2: how many more majors? You know, it's just not that
Speaker 2: easy to win majors. I would say number one. But
Speaker 2: he absolutely, you know, he's got the guts, man, And
Speaker 2: you know, you don't just have to be good teeter
Speaker 2: green and chipping and putting to win major championships, but
Speaker 2: you've got to have something pretty special deep inside to
Speaker 2: be able to handle moments like that, just because of
Speaker 2: the magnitude of it, whether it be external pressure or
Speaker 2: internal pressure, the fact that you grew up always wanting
Speaker 2: to win one of these, or win multiple majors, or
Speaker 2: have the opportunity and now it's right there on your
Speaker 2: doorstep and you can see the finish line. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a lot that comes with that. And you know,
Speaker 2: he's proven twice now that he can go ahead and
Speaker 2: run through the tape. And to me, that is the
Speaker 2: thing that I lean on the most, thinking that he's
Speaker 2: gonna still be around for a while contending in these tournaments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3: I feel like he's you know, if you look through
Speaker 3: his major record, he hasn't been in the mix very often.
Speaker 3: But you know, you go to LA and nobody expected
Speaker 3: him to win there, and all he did was hang
Speaker 3: in there, make a get up and down when he
Speaker 3: needed to get up and down. And you know, these weeks,
Speaker 3: these major weeks, you know, basically I go to the
Speaker 3: golf course, I'm there all day, and then when I
Speaker 3: get home, we podcast on shotguns start, and then that
Speaker 3: we talk about golf for two more hours.
Speaker 2: That sounds good.
Speaker 3: The thing that was resounding about Windham is like he's
Speaker 3: already been in this kind of exact position and he
Speaker 3: didn't spit the bit. And I feel like he's one
Speaker 3: of those players that when he gets near it and
Speaker 3: like you saw this at at Memorial, Like he played
Speaker 3: really really good at Memorial and.
Speaker 1: Just didn't get it done like I thought he.
Speaker 3: That was one of those tournaments where like a bounce here,
Speaker 3: a bounced there, and Wyndham Clark wins Memorial and he
Speaker 3: would have come in here off of two wins. And
Speaker 3: you know, I think he's just one of those guys
Speaker 3: that when he's in the mix, he's like a dog
Speaker 3: with a bone like he's not giving it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got that toughness, There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: You know. Could I see him contending at the PGA
Speaker 2: Championship Absolutely? Could I see him contending at the Open. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: You've got space to start it wherever you want to
Speaker 2: start it, as long as you can handle the cross wins.
Speaker 2: He's very very good at flying the ball down, like
Speaker 2: extremely good at that. You know, my aw question mark
Speaker 2: from a major championship standpoint would be in order for
Speaker 2: him to contend at the Masters, he probably would need
Speaker 2: to find at the very least a fairway wood shot
Speaker 2: that he can sling from right to left. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean you know that there's going to be there's going
Speaker 2: to be you know, two or three, maybe four shots
Speaker 2: off the tee at Augusta National where you need to
Speaker 2: move it from right to left. I mean ten and
Speaker 2: thirteen immediately jumped in your mind. You just you can't
Speaker 2: be hitting a big slice there and get away with
Speaker 2: it all week long. So if he finds a way
Speaker 2: to do that with a fairway word, you know, he
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily need to do it with a driver, but
Speaker 2: if he can get some sort of three word that
Speaker 2: he can tip from right to left, then you know
Speaker 2: that one becomes available to him too because of how
Speaker 2: he chips and potts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it should be.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it'll be something fun to watch
Speaker 3: see where he goes outside of Windham.
Speaker 1: Who impressed you the most this weekend?
Speaker 2: And there's a couple. I thought Sam Burns was pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: You know, Sam Burns has been a been a very
Speaker 2: good player for a long time. Probably hasn't won as
Speaker 2: much as what he should with the talent that he
Speaker 2: has and the ability that he has. But he really
Speaker 2: played some solid golf man, particularly on Sunday. I thought
Speaker 2: some of those shots that he hit down the stretch.
Speaker 2: The shot into seventeen was high, high level.
Speaker 3: That's as good of a shot as I've seen. I
Speaker 3: lot a golf shot that was right behind him there,
Speaker 3: and I mean that wind that pin back left on
Speaker 3: a green, that.
Speaker 1: Is just the way it's angled. You know, if you're
Speaker 1: going to.
Speaker 3: Try and hit it at that left pin, you have
Speaker 3: to be committed to it wind off the left. And
Speaker 3: I think if somebody was going to critique Sam Burns
Speaker 3: as he's like Windham, he really likes to move that
Speaker 3: ball left or right, and man, that shot was beautiful.
Speaker 3: He just held that held a draw up there perfectly.
Speaker 3: The thing didn't leave the flag from the second it
Speaker 3: came off his face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was brilliant. You look at the ball striking.
Speaker 2: He hit ten or fourteen fairwes, thirteen of eighteen greens
Speaker 2: around Shinnecock the final round of the US Open is
Speaker 2: pretty stellar. Uh So, I really do feel that even
Speaker 2: though he didn't win, he took a huge step forward
Speaker 2: for him that he's going to be able to lean
Speaker 2: on in the future. Uh So, I give him. I
Speaker 2: give him an A plus. I thought it was cool
Speaker 2: to see Tom kimback in the picture. He's been struggling
Speaker 2: for a while. I actually ran into him in the
Speaker 2: airport in Canada last Sunday night. He was heading to
Speaker 2: UH Shinnecock and had a nice week in UH in
Speaker 2: Canada and UH and then backed it up and really
Speaker 2: even you know, with five or six holes to play,
Speaker 2: he still had a shot on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Wait, real chance? I think, like you know, you look down.
Speaker 3: One of the brilliant things about Shittacok too, is like
Speaker 3: some major championship venues. You know, Tom Kim has to
Speaker 3: play just perfect golf in order to compete. And this
Speaker 3: is a of course we've talked about it a little
Speaker 3: bit with the optionality where a shorter hitter has options
Speaker 3: like these are places where you know, you look at
Speaker 3: you know, Tom Kim played well, Zach Blair finished in
Speaker 3: the top thirty, you know, the shortest player on PG
Speaker 3: on the PGA Tour. But the reality is like they're
Speaker 3: hitting the ball in a lot of similar places as
Speaker 3: you know, Rory's hitting the ball because of just the
Speaker 3: nature of of of shinnakok. And you know the thing
Speaker 3: that always impresses me and you you had you you
Speaker 3: captained him in a in a President's Cup, Tom Kim,
Speaker 3: When you see this, I mean I can't believe I
Speaker 3: say this. You see this at TGL when the chips
Speaker 3: are down and the and he has a putt, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you kind of feel like, as as someone who watches
Speaker 3: him a lot, I feel like it's going down.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He loves the spotlight. He just absolutely loves it.
Speaker 2: He thrives on it. He enjoys every single sickond of it.
Speaker 2: He enjoyed the opportunity to be able to do something
Speaker 2: great and he just hasn't been able to quite put
Speaker 2: himself in that position for a little while now, and
Speaker 2: so his rankings are plummeted. He's not playing in the
Speaker 2: tournaments that he rarely wants to be playing in, and
Speaker 2: this week is going to be massive for him to
Speaker 2: be able to change that and get into a position
Speaker 2: now we can compete week in and week out with
Speaker 2: some of the better players and have more of a
Speaker 2: shot at it. So this can be a huge confidence
Speaker 2: boost for him. I was really happy for him, impressed
Speaker 2: with him, happy for our international team come September. A
Speaker 2: couple of the others, Keith Mitchell, Nieman, Keith Mitchell really cool,
Speaker 2: love the guy. He's one of those guys that's out
Speaker 2: there weekend and week out, grinding it out, and so
Speaker 2: for him to give himself a shot and be in
Speaker 2: the hunt would have been a really special feeling for him.
Speaker 2: I thought he acquitted himself really well. I'm full seventies
Speaker 2: in a row. That's pretty cool. And then Nieman obviously
Speaker 2: is a big story because of the the eleven and
Speaker 2: fighting his way back into top ten, which is remarkable.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, I think outside of the eleven he played,
Speaker 3: he was six hundred part I mean, just a crazy
Speaker 3: turbment obviously got the the first USGA doled out misconduct
Speaker 3: penalty in that eleven two balls out of bound, a
Speaker 3: club throw, which which led to, you know, two stroke penalty. Remarkable,
Speaker 3: remarkable golf, and it's impossible. It's so easy to you know,
Speaker 3: Like I loved his response to you know, somebody asked him,
Speaker 3: you know what, you know, if you hadn't made this eleven,
Speaker 3: do you think about winning the tournament? And he said,
Speaker 3: you know, if my grandmother had wheels and an engine,
Speaker 3: she'd be a car.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great comeback, I thought he after the fact,
Speaker 2: once the penalty came down, and then he played the
Speaker 2: second round, played brilliantly, made the cut, which is just
Speaker 2: incredible when you add an eleven to the scorecard to
Speaker 2: still go ahead and keep it together. I thought he
Speaker 2: handled it extremely well in the media and showed great maturity. So,
Speaker 2: you know, that's impressive stuff. We've spoken many times about
Speaker 2: expecting more from him in major championships, and so now
Speaker 2: he's had a T seven with an eleven on the card.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, the last few majors he started
Speaker 2: to play a little bitter. I'm wanting to say he's
Speaker 2: had another top ten. There's someway I needed and play
Speaker 2: the Masters this year. But at a very young age, Noll,
Speaker 2: he seems to be starting to figure out the formula
Speaker 2: at the biggest events with.
Speaker 3: Them played with Scotty. Obviously, Scotty his birthday in k
Speaker 3: he didn't hear, and he was going for the career
Speaker 3: Grand Slam, you know, and turned thirty, going for the
Speaker 3: career Grand Slam. He played his way into that final
Speaker 3: group and then you know, I think he just it
Speaker 3: was a week I felt where he was just a
Speaker 3: little often in a lot of aspects of the game.
Speaker 3: You know, from your eye, what did you see from
Speaker 3: Scotty's performance? And I think you know, you know, part
Speaker 3: of the Windom thing was him going up against Scotty
Speaker 3: in that final group, with all the things with Scotty,
Speaker 3: Scotty going for him, with his birthday, you know, the
Speaker 3: career first attempt at the career Grand Slam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, once again, you know, it's another reason to tip
Speaker 2: your cap to wind him. I mean, he took down
Speaker 2: Rory at l a CC and now he's taken down
Speaker 2: Scotty at Chinnekok Hills. That's something that he will remember very,
Speaker 2: very fondly as he gets older and maybe even starts
Speaker 2: to slow down playing in however many years that's going
Speaker 2: to be. That's something that he'll really love to look
Speaker 2: back on. Regarding Scheffler, He's just right there. He's just
Speaker 2: right there, isn't he. It feels like it's so close,
Speaker 2: it's so close to being great. You have to acknowledge
Speaker 2: that he spoiled. He spoiled us. The guy spoiled us
Speaker 2: for three or four years with just some of the
Speaker 2: best golf we've seen, winning at a clip that is,
Speaker 2: you know, up there with the greats to have ever lived.
Speaker 2: You think about Tiger and Jack and some of these
Speaker 2: great seasons that people have had. Byron Nelson when he
Speaker 2: won all those tournaments, what did he went eighteen in
Speaker 2: a season, eleven in a row, DJ singh one nine
Speaker 2: times in a season. You know, the seasons that Scotty
Speaker 2: was having were right up there in that conversation, at
Speaker 2: least in the same bucket. And you know, this year
Speaker 2: he's only had the one win and been so extremely
Speaker 2: close so many times, and this just felt like another
Speaker 2: one of those where he was rarely at a high
Speaker 2: level but just wasn't quite where he needed to be
Speaker 2: And to me, the turning point was on Saturday, at
Speaker 2: the end of Saturday, when he had everything going and
Speaker 2: then he bogied seventeen and then missed the short put
Speaker 2: on eighteen, And I feel like, if he pods seventeen,
Speaker 2: you know, think about it, He's just birdied fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
Speaker 2: and now like the crowd is revving and everybody's getting
Speaker 2: behind him, and the Grand Slam and all the history
Speaker 2: behind that. Everything was going his way, and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden he boges seventeen and then misses the
Speaker 2: putt at eighteen, which you know, obviously, those pots are
Speaker 2: so difficult, Those holes are so difficult. The pots are
Speaker 2: so difficult when you're playing late in the day on Poeanna,
Speaker 2: the one on eighteen in particularly, he's coming straight down
Speaker 2: the hill. I mean, you're breathing on this pot. It's
Speaker 2: just got to be perfection with a little bit of
Speaker 2: luck involved as well. And you just kind of wanted
Speaker 2: to yourself if he had parted seventeen and birdied eighteen
Speaker 2: and been just that hair closer, you know, how would
Speaker 2: it have looked then? How would it have felt for
Speaker 2: Wyndham then with him with him just a bit more
Speaker 2: within breathing distance to start the final round.
Speaker 3: It's such marginal things, but that Saturday, while it started
Speaker 3: going the three birdies in a row, it felt so
Speaker 3: eerily similar to Quail Hollow On Saturday at Quail Hollow
Speaker 3: last year, where he played I think the last five
Speaker 3: five under that opened up this three shot lead. It
Speaker 3: was a different circumstance. But here he comes roaring back
Speaker 3: and like this is we talked. I think the thing
Speaker 3: and why we're all so deeply afflicted with the golf
Speaker 3: bug and the disease that it is is just the
Speaker 3: margins of the game are so narrow, no matter what
Speaker 3: level you're playing at. Oh and for Scotty it felt
Speaker 3: like this, like this roar almost where he's coming, you know,
Speaker 3: he's riding. And then seventeen it was it was a
Speaker 3: manageable up and down, he doesn't convert it. In eighteen
Speaker 3: he hits that tremendous drive and a spectacular wedge and
Speaker 3: he doesn't convert it, and it's like that the wind
Speaker 3: just kind of came out of his sails. And then
Speaker 3: then he's in this position where he has to chase
Speaker 3: a lot more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah to me, that was the difference if he
Speaker 2: had just got a little closer. And then you add
Speaker 2: to that the first hole on Sunday. You know, so
Speaker 2: when you combine those bogie at seventeen, the miss birdie
Speaker 2: at eighteen, and then he bogie's the first hole on Sunday, gosh,
Speaker 2: that that kind of was the tournament right there. For him.
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know it, it maybe unfair to
Speaker 2: over seventy two hole span to like drill down into that,
Speaker 2: but for me, you know, I can look past everything
Speaker 2: else but those three holes to finish Saturday and to
Speaker 2: start Sunday, that was tough. It was tough because he
Speaker 2: just didn't He kind of had wind them in his
Speaker 2: sights and on the ropes, and then he just let
Speaker 2: him get away. You know. It's kind of like when
Speaker 2: you're out fishing and you hook that nice fish, but
Speaker 2: you just don't set the hook properly and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden it's gone. And that, to me is kind
Speaker 2: of what it felt like.
Speaker 1: The first all.
Speaker 3: I was shocked at that miss from him, because you
Speaker 3: just don't see him usually miss those types of shots
Speaker 3: where you know he's in the fairway, but he's way
Speaker 3: back and that pin was just, you know, from where
Speaker 3: he was.
Speaker 1: I was looking at it.
Speaker 3: I was like, there's no way he's going to hit
Speaker 3: this within you know, fifteen eighteen feet, and it felt
Speaker 3: like he took it on like it was like it
Speaker 3: felt like he was trying to make like an emphatic
Speaker 3: statement like here I am, yeah, I'm going to be
Speaker 3: coming for you, and it, you know, it goes over
Speaker 3: and it leaves to that bogey.
Speaker 1: What do you look at all these close calls?
Speaker 3: Do you think there's something technically or mentally that that
Speaker 3: is just that's different about Scotty this year than the
Speaker 3: last couple of years.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's nitpicking, Andy, you know, it really is
Speaker 2: nitpicking when you look at I know, he hasn't won
Speaker 2: as many times as what we used to, but he
Speaker 2: still had a ton of opportunities and things haven't just
Speaker 2: quite full in his way. You know, it's it's absolutely netpicking.
Speaker 2: Does he look like he's as comfortable with his long game?
Speaker 2: Probably not. You know, we saw footage of earlier in
Speaker 2: the week here even at Chinnecock, where he's on the
Speaker 2: range with his coach and they're having a back and
Speaker 2: forth and they're discussing what looked to be something in
Speaker 2: his grip, which, as we all know, he spends the
Speaker 2: majority of his time working on just placing his hands
Speaker 2: exactly the way he wants on the club, which I
Speaker 2: just absolutely love it. I've never seen a great player
Speaker 2: spend that much time on their grip. But they were
Speaker 2: going back and forth on that, and so there seems
Speaker 2: to be something that he's just not quite happy with
Speaker 2: or that he feels is not allowing to be him
Speaker 2: to be as sharp as what he normally is. But
Speaker 2: his level is so high. He's still better than the
Speaker 2: majority of the others out there. And so that's that's
Speaker 2: why I say it's it's nitpicking, and I just feel
Speaker 2: like it's around the corner with him, you know, it's just, uh,
Speaker 2: it's something small that he can tweak and and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden he could win four or five times
Speaker 2: in a row.
Speaker 3: A question I I you, you've probably forgotten more about
Speaker 3: the golf swing than I'll ever know. As you age,
Speaker 3: your body just naturally changes.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering, have you.
Speaker 3: Could how does that change with your golf swing, which
Speaker 3: is obviously like just a body movement when you boil
Speaker 3: it down, it's just the way your body moves, and
Speaker 3: you're inevitably as you get older, your body composition changes,
Speaker 3: your flexibility changes.
Speaker 1: How how have you seen an of that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Could that be just you know, I saw Brandal doing
Speaker 3: something where's he's steeper than he used to be? You know,
Speaker 3: could it be just simply Hey, like I work on setup,
Speaker 3: I work like I think one of the things I've
Speaker 3: always admired so much with Scott is the diligence what
Speaker 3: you're saying, the diligence to just setting up, because that's
Speaker 3: one of the sneaky hardest things about golf. If you're
Speaker 3: setting up the same but just simply like fractionally, your
Speaker 3: body doesn't move the same way, that could throw off
Speaker 3: everything right.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely absolutely? And you know, do I agree with
Speaker 2: Brandal that he is slightly steeper? Yeah? Probably? To me,
Speaker 2: it shows up more when he's trying to turn one
Speaker 2: from right to left. You know, in the past, the
Speaker 2: swing would always look a little funky when he would
Speaker 2: try and hit the drawer because his finish was so
Speaker 2: different as he was trying to square the face through impact.
Speaker 2: But he would do it. This year, it seems to
Speaker 2: me like the drawshots that he's trying to hit, he
Speaker 2: kind of gets a little stuck late in the downswing
Speaker 2: and he leaves it out to the right more often.
Speaker 2: But to answer your question, yeah, it could absolutely be
Speaker 2: the body. And this is one of the funny things
Speaker 2: about our sport, you know, that's or shall I say,
Speaker 2: one of the things that makes our sport different to
Speaker 2: the others. I mean, there is no injury report, you know,
Speaker 2: we we don't know what's going on with his body.
Speaker 2: Scotty holds his cards very close to his chest. The
Speaker 2: rules don't make him have to disclose anything that he
Speaker 2: may or may not be going through body wise, and
Speaker 2: so who knows. Who knows what he could be feeling
Speaker 2: or something that could be niggling that has just not
Speaker 2: allowed him to drop that club into the spot that
Speaker 2: he played his apps Loot Best Gulf from. We just
Speaker 2: don't know. We also don't know that, you know, it
Speaker 2: could have been something that happened months ago and he
Speaker 2: got into a bad habit and he's just struggled to
Speaker 2: work his way through that back habit, bad habit to
Speaker 2: drop back into his sweet spot. So really, I mean,
Speaker 2: all of this is it's just a guess of us
Speaker 2: trying to figure it all out do I know that,
Speaker 2: you know, this guy is just so ridiculously good, and
Speaker 2: even when we talk here about him being slightly off,
Speaker 2: I mean that that level when he's slightly off is
Speaker 2: still so ridiculously high that any week given week, there's
Speaker 2: there's probably only you know, less than a handful of
Speaker 2: guys that compete him. And that's pretty remarkable.
Speaker 3: Extraordin where you know, the talk, you know, you just
Speaker 3: think about where he's gotten to that the talk you know,
Speaker 3: I I you know, you hate Tiger comparisons, and he's
Speaker 3: a different player than Tiger. He's thirty years old. He
Speaker 3: you know, he wasn't winning majors at at twenty one,
Speaker 3: you know, But that being said, they're the level of consistency,
Speaker 3: the bar that he has set. I don't think any
Speaker 3: player has been discussed like this where what's wrong with
Speaker 3: Scotty Scheffler is you know, you know, I think he's
Speaker 3: gone T two, T fourteen and this week he was
Speaker 3: T five, T four, T four, So that's that's the run,
Speaker 3: is what's wrong with Scotty Scheffler. When most players would
Speaker 3: look at that and say, that's about the best major
Speaker 3: best year I've had of my career. And that even great,
Speaker 3: great players would say that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean he's he's remarkable, man, he really is.
Speaker 2: He's great. We're spoiled. We're spoiled by him.
Speaker 3: As you kind of examine the whole tournament, you know,
Speaker 3: and who we've discussed in and uh, were there was
Speaker 3: anybody did anybody positively surprise you? And was there any
Speaker 3: player you know that we haven't discussed that disappointed you
Speaker 3: with their performance?
Speaker 2: Well, how about i'll run through a few here. I'm
Speaker 2: just looking at the leaderboard. You know. I'm really happy
Speaker 2: for Gary Woodland T. Seven. That's great. I'm a huge
Speaker 2: Gary Woodland fan a year one of the coolest guys
Speaker 2: you will ever meet in your life. Uh. Justin Rose
Speaker 2: T eleven, he missed the cut in Canada. It just
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to matter how he plays in regular tournaments.
Speaker 2: When a major week comes along, he finds a way
Speaker 2: to have a solid week at this age. Got to
Speaker 2: give that a shout out. Well done there to Rosie.
Speaker 2: I think Aaron Raie finishing Tier eleven backing up the
Speaker 2: PGA Championship win is really cool. So I give those
Speaker 2: guys a real nice nod.
Speaker 1: It could be surprised the otherwise.
Speaker 2: Guys that I was surprised with their performance would be
Speaker 2: the Chamberne Ram really really surprised. I was very intrigued
Speaker 2: to see how Bryson would play at Schinecock, knowing how
Speaker 2: precise he had to be on approach, especially when the
Speaker 2: win starts to blow. So he's two time US Open champion,
Speaker 2: but I was very interested to see how he would
Speaker 2: manage manage his game around what that golf course asks for.
Speaker 2: And with regards Ram, I thought he was going to
Speaker 2: be one of the favorites to win the tournament.
Speaker 3: I mean with Rob two, the start he got off
Speaker 3: to you were sitting in perfect position, caught the right
Speaker 3: side of the wave, and then it just all fell apart.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That that totally caught me off. God, totally caught
Speaker 2: me off. God, if you had if we had done
Speaker 2: this podcast the week before the tournament and you asked
Speaker 2: me to give you five names of guys I think
Speaker 2: he could could win the US Open, he would have
Speaker 2: been in my top five.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think I think everybody's kind of shocked by it.
Speaker 3: I picked him to win, and you saw the four
Speaker 3: of it at the PGA, you just thought it was
Speaker 3: going to keep going, and you know, I think with
Speaker 3: both them it as kind of the flag bearers of LIVE.
Speaker 1: It cannot be easy.
Speaker 3: To play golf, like we we talked about with Wyndham,
Speaker 3: where when you're when you're not personally mentally in a
Speaker 3: great space, golf gets really hard. And you know, I
Speaker 3: think this is you know, one of the things that
Speaker 3: you know, they made their decisions and they you know,
Speaker 3: they got paid for their decisions.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it does add.
Speaker 3: A layer to what's already an incredibly difficult sport and
Speaker 3: given you know, just it could can't be the best
Speaker 3: way to lead into these majors.
Speaker 2: Well, I think there is some evidence that playing on
Speaker 2: LIV doesn't necessarily hurt your chances in the majors. I mean,
Speaker 2: we've seen guys like Bryson and Brooks when he was
Speaker 2: playing there, when major championships while they're playing at LIV.
Speaker 2: I think right now what the challenge is. You know,
Speaker 2: we've all read the same reports of their funding issues
Speaker 2: and getting out there trying to figure out how they
Speaker 2: can keep things going. If they can do that, what
Speaker 2: the league actually looks like, I would say that is
Speaker 2: probably weighing quite heavily on these players' minds right now.
Speaker 2: We've seen a number of them rejoin the DP World Tour,
Speaker 2: so we can expect them to be playing some out
Speaker 2: there as well. But to me, the uncertainty if I
Speaker 2: was in that position, the uncertainty of where I'm going
Speaker 2: to play and what it's going to look like and
Speaker 2: if it's going to be around, would be something that
Speaker 2: would be bothering me. And so, you know, we're just
Speaker 2: not quite sure. We don't really have all the information
Speaker 2: to know how much it's affecting these guys and how
Speaker 2: much it's playing on their minds.
Speaker 3: Would you say, you know, as we look at this
Speaker 3: is kind of the dynamic of the new schedule, it's
Speaker 3: it's June, mid June, feels like summer just started. There's
Speaker 3: only one major left. Would you say that Rom's the
Speaker 3: player in your mind that that you know, kind of
Speaker 3: for their professional satisfaction, We'll say most needs a strong
Speaker 3: performance at Brokedale.
Speaker 2: Uh, you mean individually or you still? Yeah? You so
Speaker 2: you're not this is not from a live standpoint?
Speaker 1: Do you mean individually individually?
Speaker 2: No? I think it's Bryson. I think it's Bryson because
Speaker 2: he's missed the cut in all the majors so far
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 3: You got me the social posts up at the beginning
Speaker 3: of the week.
Speaker 2: I didn't see that, But to me, you know, he's
Speaker 2: the He's the one. I mean, Rom had a great
Speaker 2: run at it at the PGA Championship and really got
Speaker 2: himself in there and played some some beautiful golf. I
Speaker 2: think I think it's Bryson that needs to u to
Speaker 2: have a good Open Championship to least, you know, feel
Speaker 2: like he finishes the year with some some momentum going
Speaker 2: into the twenty twenty seven Majors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's the answer is one of the
Speaker 3: two of them, you know, in terms of just I
Speaker 3: you know, I think from from Rob's standpoint, you always
Speaker 3: go back to Bryson, I think has had these ups
Speaker 3: and downs throughout his career. Our friends over at no
Speaker 3: laying up have always you know, called Rom the booie,
Speaker 3: you know, and since it never he never goes underwater. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I think for from his standpoint of of you know,
Speaker 3: at what point do we kind of you know, I
Speaker 3: don't I'm not ready to do this by a means,
Speaker 3: but what point is he not one of those that
Speaker 3: when you start naming guys you know, what point, does
Speaker 3: he not one of those first four or five guys
Speaker 3: that are listed off with best players in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. A lot of it. A
Speaker 2: lot of it depends on where he plays and how
Speaker 2: often he plays. You know, like you look, coming into
Speaker 2: the first couple of Majors this year, he was winning
Speaker 2: over it live and really competing well, and so he
Speaker 2: was one of the favorites coming in, and then after
Speaker 2: a disappointing Masters, you still felt like, Okay, well, you know,
Speaker 2: I expect maybe that was just a one off, and
Speaker 2: you know, at the PGA Championship he'll be right back
Speaker 2: in it. And then he didn't play well there, and
Speaker 2: now he didn't play well at the US Open, where
Speaker 2: he's had success in the past as a two time winner.
Speaker 2: So you know, a lot of it depends on how
Speaker 2: much he plays. You know, if he plays ten tournaments
Speaker 2: between now and the Masters and wins four of them,
Speaker 2: by the time the Masters rolls around, will be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this guy is still one of our favorites. But if
Speaker 2: he doesn't play well at the Open and then we
Speaker 2: don't see very much of him until the Masters, you know,
Speaker 2: we rarely don't know what to expect from him at
Speaker 2: that point. So you know, a lot of it is
Speaker 2: going to depend on where these guys play and how
Speaker 2: much they play, they play and what their league looks like,
Speaker 2: you know, So we're going to learn that here over
Speaker 2: the next few months.
Speaker 3: I think personally, you know, this is I'd like to
Speaker 3: see Rob kind of have a have a little run
Speaker 3: allah Patrick Reid where he goes on to the DP
Speaker 3: World Tour and you know, a tour that he should
Speaker 3: dominate and goes and dominates and you know, kind of
Speaker 3: one of the nice things about it is that there's
Speaker 3: some big tournaments that don't conflict with with the you know,
Speaker 3: the existing lif schedule that you could play it there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be very interesting obviously, you know,
Speaker 2: for both of those guys, but in particular John Rohm.
Speaker 2: You know, he's gonna have to play a certain amount
Speaker 2: of tournaments to try and get on that ryde A
Speaker 2: Cup team, which he should be and which we all
Speaker 2: know that he wants to be and we all know
Speaker 2: that Luke Donald wants him to be, and so you know,
Speaker 2: I anticipate him playing enough tournaments to be able to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 3: Well, Trevor it was great chatting with you. Great to
Speaker 3: break down another major championship. I can't believe we're we're
Speaker 3: done with three. We'll have to discuss the big news
Speaker 3: with the golf ball and the USKA another time. I
Speaker 3: wasn't going to open that box of rocks at over
Speaker 3: an hour in Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you didn't.
Speaker 3: But uh, look at miss your messy on the on
Speaker 3: the telecast. But uh, and we'll mess you for for
Speaker 3: the uh for the Open. But always exciting and fun
Speaker 3: to chat chat through things. And you're you're heading over
Speaker 3: to Scotland. Any plans to play a little golf while
Speaker 3: you're over there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do have some plans. We're looking forward to it.
Speaker 2: It's a tournament that we absolutely love being a part
Speaker 2: of at CBS. We love going over to the Scottish Open.
Speaker 2: We've had a bunch of great finishes there over the years,
Speaker 2: so it's going to be a strong field, which is great,
Speaker 2: and uh, it's a it's a it's a wonderful leading
Speaker 2: to the the Open Championship week. So yeah, I'll be
Speaker 2: over there playing a little golf and then getting ready
Speaker 2: for the weekend broadcast.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Then I'll be watching the Open on TV UH and UH,
Speaker 2: and then we go on a run all the way
Speaker 2: through the end of the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So then we got the peekat President's right.
Speaker 2: We're working hard on that. Jeff is absolutely crushing it
Speaker 2: at this point. Really excited for him huge. I'm a huge,
Speaker 2: huge fan of his and I think he's going to
Speaker 2: do a great job. And you know, I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to that week. It's going to be awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm jealous.
Speaker 3: I saw you guys signed up a golf loving, world
Speaker 3: class chef to the for the team chef that that's uh,
Speaker 3: you know, a chef of one of the one of
Speaker 3: the great Chicago restaurants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that that news was was extremely well
Speaker 2: received in our squad. It's gonna it's gonna be such
Speaker 2: a great week. The weather that time of year, as
Speaker 2: you know, should be wonderful. The new golf courses and
Speaker 2: the changes to to Ma Dina Country Club are just spectacular.
Speaker 2: I I I can't see why there just wouldn't be
Speaker 2: tons and tons of fans out there enjoying the weather,
Speaker 2: enjoying the course, enjoying the action and the intensity and
Speaker 2: excitement of it. So I hope everybody knocks it out
Speaker 2: the park. Man, I'm really looking forward to you.
Speaker 3: Know, the quickest way to win over that Chicago fan
Speaker 3: base would that time of year would be would be
Speaker 3: getting getting your boys and Bears uniforms. I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: you know, if you want to do some charm offensive.
Speaker 3: It worked for the Europeans a little bit, and New
Speaker 3: York go on the charm offensive. Guess get some Bears uniforms.
Speaker 3: I think you can win over the crowd.
Speaker 2: Is that the Indiana baz you speak on?
Speaker 1: They'll be the Chicago Bears this year?
Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, yeah, Look, it's gonna be awesome. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be so awesome. H What a sports town, what
Speaker 2: a place. Really really looking forward to that week.
Speaker 1: All Right, we'll talk to you after the Open. Trevor,
Speaker 1: thanks as always.
Speaker 2: All right, boys, good to shall with you.
Speaker 3: All Right, that does it for this US Open recap.
Speaker 3: We had a couple technical difficulties, so we worked through it.
Speaker 3: And the only way we were able to work through
Speaker 3: it is our great producer PJ Clark. Big thanks to Pj.
Speaker 3: He was grinding this week. Last week he did the
Speaker 3: Hunter Hole hike. This week he had us all in
Speaker 3: Long Island, and he was on the ones and twoes
Speaker 3: almost every night for Shotgun Start. Big thanks to PJ
Speaker 3: for a hard week of work and producing this podcast,
Speaker 3: getting this all together and out on Monday night, so
Speaker 3: we'll be back next week. And thank you as always
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