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Speaker 1: your hosts, Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: Alright, let's sert live on a football Friday Draft two

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Speaker 2: day two. Merely Bo, great z how you love them?

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Speaker 2: We were We're so close to Azio. We had the A.

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Speaker 2: It was all there, Rus, we we were we well,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe we're gonna go.

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Speaker 3: We're going like oh for two on Azu.

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Speaker 2: We were, we were to A. I was so excited.

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Speaker 2: I was getting you hot tubs.

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Speaker 3: I was kind of I had warm to the idea.

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Speaker 2: I would be warm. In all reality, it might have

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Speaker 2: been everything you'd want in life in my hot tubs.

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Speaker 3: It might have been my coup de gras.

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Speaker 2: You love a hot tub, love a hot tub. So

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Speaker 2: now a hot tub on a cool Ohio night, And

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the hot tub is full of

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Speaker 2: aju with prime rib ready to be dipped.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And the way I was envisioning it too, is I'd

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Speaker 4: have a good like a ladle that I could that

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Speaker 4: I could ladle mashed potatoes out and then just right

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Speaker 4: into the AJU, right into my being great. Couldn't be

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Speaker 4: too deep of a ladle, because then that's a hard transition.

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Speaker 4: But a nice, a shallow ladle right.

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Speaker 3: My wine, oh.

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Speaker 4: Man, listen picked twenty fifteen pont would have been great,

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Speaker 4: not the way.

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Speaker 2: It went you. You obviously were live on the uh

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Speaker 2: last night.

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Speaker 5: I was.

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Speaker 2: I my phone started to vibrate watching the second act

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Speaker 2: of Bootsy's big debut last night on the stage, and

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Speaker 2: I started indications.

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Speaker 3: Why schools are doing things that idiotic.

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Speaker 2: I made my I made my complaints known to the district, Like,

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Speaker 2: let's look at the dates counter.

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Speaker 3: This is not hard.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, so yeah, I made it known so we

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Speaker 2: were able to get.

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Speaker 4: As outrageous as not being able to watch a Cavs

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Speaker 4: playoff game in the Cleveland area.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you have old school cable like me, you

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Speaker 2: pay fifteen thousand dollars a month. Unless you do that,

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Speaker 2: you can't anyway, Yes, Uh, it'd be disingenuous of us

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Speaker 2: to come on here and say, this is exactly how

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Speaker 2: we thought this was going to go. You and I

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Speaker 2: have spent two months talking about weapons, weapons, weapons. Initially

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Speaker 2: our chatter was around shador and to them at the

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Speaker 2: top quarterback. No matter what You've said many and I've

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Speaker 2: I concurred with you many times on this program that

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Speaker 2: number two had to either be the franchise quarterback for

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Speaker 2: this team or turn into the franchise quarterback for this

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Speaker 2: team and lead to the acquisition of that.

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Speaker 3: Which it now has the potential to be the latter.

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Speaker 2: I just want to push back potential to be. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad that you emphasize potential because here's the thing about

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Speaker 2: the NFL draft. We were at two this year. We

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Speaker 2: wanted It feels like there was that. The quarterback they

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Speaker 2: really liked was cam Ward. It feels like, by the

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Speaker 2: way the whole NFL liked cam Ward.

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Speaker 4: We all started saying it might be if it's a

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Speaker 4: one quarterback draft, you got to get to one, and

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Speaker 4: they could not because you can't compel somebody to trade

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Speaker 4: with you, and so in their mind, getting a future

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Speaker 4: one is the next best thing to try to bring

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Speaker 4: it here. Now, you and I both would have been

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Speaker 4: thrilled to have Travis Hunter be at Cleveland Brown thrilled.

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Speaker 2: And what you just said was the point I was

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Speaker 2: going to make on the quarterback, Right, if you don't

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Speaker 2: pick one, it's very difficult to get someone who is

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Speaker 2: at one to come out of it unless they just

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Speaker 2: that have franchisees quarterbacks would be like New England. You

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Speaker 2: you can package your picks to go to one. But

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Speaker 2: if it's any other team who's in a similar boat

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Speaker 2: as you, if they're sitting at one, and let's just

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Speaker 2: say it is Arch, there's no compensation. No, he's not.

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Speaker 2: He's going to play two years at Texas. It's everybody

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Speaker 2: in college Wable knows it. But whoever it may be

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Speaker 2: next year, Drew Aller, whoever, if he's that guy, he's not,

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Speaker 2: you can't acquire him. You couldn't acquire cam Wore this year.

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Speaker 4: Well, we had said that for a very very long time. Right,

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Speaker 4: there's no easier place to go than from.

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Speaker 3: Two to one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, uh yeah, it's it's tough, it feels like. So

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Speaker 4: there's a couple of things. Number One, the Browns have,

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Speaker 4: in my opinion again this is my opinion, an opportunity

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Speaker 4: let's call it Treveon Henderson and a future first.

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Speaker 3: That would be a home run.

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Speaker 4: If you told me that's how they came out of

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Speaker 4: this draft through thirty six picks, I'd say, let's go.

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Speaker 4: Holy moly. However, I don't think that's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: My interpretation of two things, first thing being the trade

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Speaker 4: itself to acquire the future first, that is done, in

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Speaker 4: my opinion, not just to be like, oh, we want

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Speaker 4: to get an asset. It's to say we are we

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Speaker 4: do not feel like outside of cam Ward that we

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Speaker 4: are finding a surefire franchise quarterback in this draft.

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Speaker 6: Fair.

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Speaker 4: The second part of that that leads me to believe

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Speaker 4: a fourth, a fifth, a couple of sixth maybe a

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Speaker 4: fifth and a future fifth whatever to Kansas City last night, yep.

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Speaker 4: And to have gone from thirty six to thirty two three,

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Speaker 4: it still, but I am not expecting that. So now

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Speaker 4: to me, my focus turns to tonight and quarterback. On

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Speaker 4: the big picture is it's going to be Flacco, Kenny Pickett,

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Speaker 4: and I think we're going to end up in the third,

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Speaker 4: Milroe's in play. I think it's sixty seven. If Milroe

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Speaker 4: Sanders are shuck, we're there. I think at that point

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Speaker 4: they're all in play. But it feels like you're more

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Speaker 4: likely going into the What I've been saying along is

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Speaker 3: Which is the McCord Howard Gabriel.

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Speaker 4: I mean, maybe I have no idea, but maybe you

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Speaker 4: have to throw youers in there at that But like,

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Speaker 4: who knows but that group and I've kind of thought

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Speaker 4: it was the McCord Howard Gabriel group, but who knows.

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Speaker 3: That's what this all signals to me.

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Speaker 4: Now the Browns have the ability to take everybody on

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Speaker 4: the board right now, I think it is critically important.

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Speaker 4: I've been saying it all along, and these are my beliefs. Weapons, weapons, weapons, weapons, weapons.

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Speaker 4: I think if you look at today, you have four picks.

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Speaker 4: I would love to see a running back, a wide receiver,

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Speaker 4: a tight end, quarterback, offensive tackles, weapon adjacent fine with

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Speaker 4: that if we were to venture onto the defensive side

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Speaker 4: need one, like a free safety, like right now you

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Speaker 4: free safety. Or you could say I'm gonna get another

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Speaker 4: box safety and we're gonna play you know more Dimi,

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Speaker 4: which would be the kid from South Carolina. I don't

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Speaker 4: know Apprrence's name. Yeah, yeah, but who's high on a

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Speaker 4: lot of boards. And then the other would be linebacker.

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Speaker 4: And linebacker to me would signify Jay Okay, right, that

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Speaker 4: fact that Jordan Hicks is in his thirties and is

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Speaker 4: you've got Devin Bush back, You've got some young guys,

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Speaker 4: j Okay. I think you could be fine there for sure,

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Speaker 4: But to me, that feels like that would be it.

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Speaker 4: So you have four picks. I really hope three of

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Speaker 4: the four today at least are on offense. I would

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Speaker 4: like four of four to be on offense. Yeah, but

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Speaker 4: we'll see you're set up right now. I think to

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Speaker 4: get two great weapons like the In my mind, the

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Speaker 4: list that I would want is either Judkins, Trayveon or

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Speaker 4: Caleb Johnson if they love him or whatever whatever running

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Speaker 4: running guy that they ever want. Yeah, they all have

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Speaker 4: their attributes.

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Speaker 2: We've we've we've talked about Judkins and Travon a lot receiver.

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Speaker 4: You got burden out there, but he's more of an

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Speaker 4: inside guy. I think we probably would be big.

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Speaker 2: Kid from Iowa State would be intriguing, ye, Noel, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he would be intriguing. I think Trey Harris from

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Speaker 4: Mississippi would be intriguing. Yeah, and then tight Ends. There

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Speaker 4: are really four of them, but I'm gonna put him

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Speaker 4: in the order they are typic typically ranked, which be

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Speaker 4: Mason Taylor Arroyo who I love, Fannin and then Ferguson

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Speaker 4: from Oregon who's a seam stretcher.

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Speaker 3: But to me, you need to hit.

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Speaker 4: If we're let's say we're passing quarterback down, then I

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Speaker 4: would want I want those guys, and then your fourth

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Speaker 4: to take a safety, you want to take a linebacker.

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Speaker 4: Like fine, I think we need I really do think

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Speaker 4: we need to get a running back, of wide receiver

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Speaker 4: and a tight end today.

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Speaker 2: All of this to be said, while it would have

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Speaker 2: been awfully exciting to have Travis Hunter, and it would

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Speaker 2: have been cool to have him in the operation, it's

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Speaker 2: a hell of a haul. It's a ton of picks.

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Speaker 2: And Mason Graham was viewed as one of the five

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Speaker 2: blue chip There were five blue chip guys. Cam Mood

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Speaker 2: actually wasn't one of them.

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Speaker 3: No, he was counted that.

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Speaker 2: That was five with an asterisk, but it was. It

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Speaker 2: was Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, Mason Graham, Ashton Genty, and

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Speaker 2: Will Campbell. Those are the five. If we were at

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Speaker 2: the combine, it was like these five or dudes. So

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Speaker 2: Mason Graves one of those dudes. So you got that dude,

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Speaker 2: and you got a bounty of picks coming back next year,

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Speaker 2: and what is considered by most people to be the

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Speaker 2: much better draft, much deeper draft. You have two ones yep,

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Speaker 2: now that are in the mix. So there is some

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Speaker 2: real value that you're going to have to to that.

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Speaker 2: You're going to have at your disposal a lot of

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Speaker 2: bullets in the chamber. But here's the thing about picks.

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Speaker 2: They're theoretical and you got to actually pick them. You

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Speaker 2: have to execute, and they have to be dudes because

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Speaker 2: you can have all the draft capital you want, but

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Speaker 2: if you don't draft players, this pick at thirty three

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Speaker 2: needs to be a dude. Thirty six needs to be

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Speaker 2: a dude. Sixty seven needs to be someone who plays.

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Speaker 2: Mason Graham needs to be a Pro Bowl d tackle. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's the you pick him fifth overall, like, you better

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Speaker 2: be a Pro Bowl dtackle.

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Speaker 4: The one thing it is that you can take Solacen,

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Speaker 4: as you mentioned, is and we talked. We did talk

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Speaker 4: about when I went through the avenues of possibility, right

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Speaker 4: which was traded for Cambell, Take Shador that's obviously not happening.

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Speaker 4: Take or didn't happen in the first round, I should say,

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Speaker 4: The fact that it also included thirty six, to me

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Speaker 4: So that when you look at this in five, ten,

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Speaker 2: Now he might not, he might not. No, he is.

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Speaker 2: I honestly see it from both sides. I understand it

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Speaker 2: looking And this was something we learned last night in

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Speaker 2: Because of everything that's happened, Jacksonville doesn't Jacksonville needed a weapon.

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Speaker 2: They wanted something that would put them on par because

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Speaker 3: Well, guess what that division, Tennessee takes a quarterback.

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Speaker 4: Travis goes to Jacksonville on A big trade up in

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Speaker 2: And two of those teams, Jacksonville and Houston, feel like

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Speaker 4: So I was asked a question if this trade signifies

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Speaker 4: I said not necessarily. I said, that trade to me

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Speaker 4: Because the Patriots don't make that trade. The Patriots are

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Speaker 4: they have the quarterback. So they wouldn't have made that

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Speaker 4: And I think this trade is reflective of two things.

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Speaker 4: they were into Jackson Dart. We won't know if he

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Speaker 4: And so that's why you make that trade. You say, Okay,

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying that's I don't know the answers clearly

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Speaker 3: But this.

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Speaker 3: As well, that.

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Speaker 4: People are both surprised and not at all surprised that

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Speaker 4: whether you thought that he was a surefire first round

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Speaker 4: on basically everybody who does this for a livings in

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Speaker 4: terms of evaluate media evaluators. Clearly a team in the

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Speaker 4: probably closer to dart than he was to cam Ward

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Speaker 4: in the ultimate evaluations. But not for everybody, not for

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Speaker 4: Emery Hunting, not for Bucky Brooks, not for Mel Kuiper, No,

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Speaker 4: because and you can say the arm talent and he's

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Speaker 3: And that's totally fine.

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Speaker 4: But there are plenty of quarterbacks who in the right

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Speaker 4: I'd be thrilled if they did. Believe me, it feels

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Speaker 2: If you wanted him, you could have went to you

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Speaker 2: hit it. That's that what you just did earlier in

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Speaker 3: Your option all of that. So you didn't.

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Speaker 2: They didn't.

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Speaker 4: So even if you because once you got thirty six,

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Speaker 4: you could come from thirty six to thirty two, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Sweeten it up a little bit bare though not much

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Speaker 2: what right?

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Speaker 4: Because you said he has Deon Sanders is the face

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Speaker 2: Yeah he would have. Yeah, he would have. Yeah. What

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Speaker 4: Yes, And this is not my opinion, by the way,

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Speaker 4: kid from UCLA, Carson Sqwueshnert, who people think is an

437
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Speaker 4: incredible player, but.

438
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Speaker 2: That's only that that would be that would be telling

439
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 2: me that there's real j Oka concern if that's the

440
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Speaker 2: way you go, Because we have a lot of needs

441
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Speaker 2: and like linebackers would be down the list normally off

442
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 2: ball linebacker, in particular off ball what real quickly on

443
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Speaker 2: the I told you about this and we too. I

444
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 2: talked about this earlier in the week on Sure Now

445
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 2: I was watching right, so I was watching primarily ESPN. Okay,

446
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 2: and they they did the low hanging fruit thing. And

447
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 2: they've done the low hanging fruit with him for two months.

448
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 2: He's an easy talk on Get Up or Sports Center

449
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 2: or NFL Live. He's an easy talk on the draft.

450
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 2: Last night, cam Ward is being picked number one overall.

451
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,919
Speaker 2: There is no debate about it. And they spent two

452
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 2: minutes before his name was called doing Shaudeur Sanders stuff.

453
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 2: They did it all night last night, and it was

454
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 2: one of those instances where and I think there's one

455
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Speaker 2: thing that I heard Pelosorrow say this this morning. Look,

456
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: we have to listen to the NFL on these guys.

457
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Speaker 2: Here's the only pushback I would give on this because

458
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: it's not about and he should have added this, in

459
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Speaker 2: my opinion, it's not about Shoudour on the field or

460
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Speaker 2: even the talent physically. It's what you said. That's where

461
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 2: people have trepidation because the people who just analyzed tape

462
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Speaker 2: and the people who just analyze what he is physically

463
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Speaker 2: like Dane had him thirty four Mail had him, I

464
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Speaker 2: think four overall.

465
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Speaker 3: See what I heard Mel every time, every.

466
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Speaker 2: Time he's like, what is going on? What is he

467
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 2: didn't understand it? Like he compared him to the Rogers

468
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 2: fall and all of that, Like you just didn't get it,

469
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: had a hard time with it. But Mel's analysis is

470
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Speaker 2: based on film and and that's it. I mean even

471
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Speaker 2: Bucky brook who had him as the number one, Risden

472
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Speaker 2: had him really high, had him ahead of cam Wore.

473
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

474
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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of these guys evaluators who look

475
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 2: at tape. What do they look at They look at tape.

476
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: They look at measurables to make their mock drafts and

477
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: to do their analysis right. NFL teams do the other

478
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 2: part too, and that is where the red flags were.

479
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: I'm with you, that's why this drop. It has nothing

480
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 2: to do with who he is as a player. It's

481
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 2: it's what are you signing up for? Yep, and that's it.

482
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 2: So I yeah, it was crazy. By the way we

483
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Speaker 2: got Hoff coming up. I believe we had this. Pittsburghs

484
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Speaker 2: getting Rogers. There's not a doubt in my mind they're

485
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Speaker 2: getting Rogers.

486
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Speaker 3: They have to be.

487
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Speaker 2: They know they're getting him. They're drafting like they're getting.

488
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Speaker 3: Him drafted a defensive tackle.

489
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Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, who's good. He's a good one. He wrecked

490
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Speaker 2: the high state game out there, Yeah, Harmon did. He's

491
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Speaker 2: a good player, all right. The NFL schedule, at least,

492
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Speaker 2: that was awkward. I don't know if you saw that

493
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Speaker 2: on the TV. It was awkward, Like when announced that

494
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Speaker 2: or Rutledge and Colleen wolf out and they kind of

495
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 2: made like, wait, you couldn't hear what they were saying.

496
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Speaker 2: They made this whole big deal, and it was like,

497
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Speaker 2: so you're you're you're giving us an announcement to tell

498
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Speaker 2: us about an announcement.

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Speaker 3: That's right?

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Speaker 2: Is that what just happened?

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Speaker 4: How about Clay Matthews opening the thing? I had no

502
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Speaker 4: idea where that was going. Were watching it? Nobody did?

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Speaker 4: Nobody did.

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Speaker 2: He's handed out meat sticks to Leroy Butler last night,

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Speaker 2: having the time of his life in green How you

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Speaker 5: Us, Buddy, I'm so happy to talk to you, guys.

527
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Speaker 5: I'm having a wonderful time here in Green Bay at

528
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Speaker 5: the NFL Draft, and it is so good to hear

529
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Speaker 5: your voice. Guys. Ever, be able to talk to somebody

530
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Speaker 5: on the outside. Again, the communications network here in Green Bay,

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Speaker 5: Wisconsin has been overloaded and went down last night. Three

532
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Speaker 5: hundred and fifty thousand people out there in Green Bay,

533
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Speaker 5: Wisconsin on a night that was a bit nippley. It

534
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 5: was it was like forty degrees here. I couldn't send

535
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 5: a text message. I was trying to call in last

536
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 5: the show. Couldn't do that. I had a barstool sports show.

537
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 5: I couldn't do I was basically on an island with

538
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty thousand cheese heads, and it was

539
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 5: pretty awesome.

540
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 4: Like we couldn't even get Mason Graham, couldn't call him.

541
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 4: They had to find him a landline somewhere so that

542
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 4: he could call in last night and do his media availability.

543
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 4: The cell phone towers were overrun.

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Speaker 2: For the folks off who have not been to Green Bay, Wisconsin,

545
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Speaker 2: what is what is there an Ohio equivalent of Green Bay, Wisconsin?

546
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 2: Like what so that our the audience who's not been

547
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Speaker 2: there can make sense of just how small it is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so if you would take Canton and you'd put

549
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 5: it all the way down in the southeast corner, maybe

550
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 5: down by Athens or something, but not close like definitely

551
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 5: not close to Athens, but like all by itself down there.

552
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 5: But that's the town, you know, two hundred and fifty

553
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Speaker 5: thousand people. So you can imagine, right, you got to

554
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Speaker 5: the city of Green Bay two hundred fifty thousand, and

555
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 5: then you put another two to fifty thousand people there.

556
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 5: It makes sense that their cell phone towers don't work

557
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 5: because it's it's just a small town. It's a blue collar.

558
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 5: It's a factory town. Like it is as blue collar

559
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 5: Americana as it comes. So I think Canton is probably

560
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 5: like your your best comparison, but it's also not near Cleveland,

561
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Speaker 5: and it's not near Akron like it is. It is

562
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Speaker 5: small on by itself.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: It is interesting, haf that you have this in the

565
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 4: football mecca. I thought that was exciting. Good to see

566
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 4: all of those things. What was kind of your reaction

567
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 4: and what was the reaction of I don't know if

568
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 4: you happen to be positioned by any Browns fans or

569
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 4: anything too the way things unfolded last night, Because if

570
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 4: we're honest about it, I think many of us thought

571
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 4: going into last night, there are really only there was

572
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 4: probably a ninety percent chance the Browns were taking Travis

573
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 4: hundred ten percent chance that they were going to trade

574
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Speaker 4: out of that pick, and obviously it was one hundred

575
00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 4: percent they were going to trade out of that pick.

576
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 4: We found out that trade had been done four weeks

577
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 4: in fact, what was kind of your reaction to the move,

578
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 4: the hall that they did in fact get, and now

579
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 4: the pressure that is to execute on those picks.

580
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 5: So when I was twelve years old, for Christmas, I

581
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 5: asked Santa for a new boom box. You know, the

582
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 5: dual cassette boombox is like my wooden board, and you

583
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 5: could due right right, how you make.

584
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 3: Mixtapes for your for your crushes huff exactly?

585
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 5: I mean, how else are you going to do that?

586
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 5: Back in what was that nineteen ninety.

587
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 2: Back, good old days.

588
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, Graham and Grandpa they were not exactly the best

589
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 5: secret keepers, right, So I knew it was coming. Christmas morning.

590
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 5: I wake up, it's under the tree. I unwrapped the President.

591
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 5: I'm happy, right, Thankfully, I never had the moment where

592
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 5: I thought the boombox was coming, and then I wake

593
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 5: up Christmas morning and it's a gift card for Christmas

594
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 5: next year. Now it says I'll get a boom box

595
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 5: and a few cassette decks, and you know what, by

596
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 5: next year, we're going to be able to have those

597
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 5: CD ours so you can download music on Napster opes.

598
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 5: Electronically technically advances, but you know what, there still was

599
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 5: a little bit of disappointment. And I was at a

600
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 5: Hall of Fame watch party and one of these cool

601
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 5: like houses that they basically just turned into party houses.

602
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: I was there with the second.

603
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry are you saying are you saying that this

604
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Speaker 4: is a watch party that is just four members of

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00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame?

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00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 5: No, no, sorry, let me be clear. So this was

607
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 5: sponsored by the Hall of Fame partner's Consolation Energy, which

608
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 5: is okay.

609
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 4: I thought you get to go into your own house

610
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 4: like gold Jackets only Sorry.

611
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be awesome. That's a good idea. Alright,

612
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 5: let's go in. I mean, they can't be that expensive.

613
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 5: This town is not exactly super wealthy. But so they

614
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 5: had the Hall of famers were there on behalf of

615
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame to entertain and to watch the

616
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 5: draft with the Constellation Energy guests and everything. So it

617
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 5: was like me and Leroy Butler, Dave Robinson Jerry Kramer

618
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 5: or some other Packer Hall of famers. So we were there,

619
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Speaker 5: and of course I'm always looking for the Brown fans

620
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 5: to cozy up because you know, we want to talk Brown.

621
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Speaker 5: Do you want to be with your people? You're watching

622
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Speaker 5: the Draft, which has always been the super Bowl for

623
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Speaker 5: us in recent memory. It's always been our Christmas Morning.

624
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 5: And so when the trade went down after you know,

625
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 5: basically my son had already ordered the Travis Hunter jersey,

626
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 5: you know, we were a little bit disappointed, to be

627
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 5: totally honest. And it took a bit because, like we said, technologically,

628
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 5: we're having some troubles finding out what was happening until

629
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 5: we learned kind of what the hall was and I

630
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 5: had a chance to take a deep breath and realize, like, man,

631
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Speaker 5: I mean, if there's ever been a fleecing when you

632
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 5: knew somebody just had to have a player and you

633
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 5: were able to really take advantage of him. I mean,

634
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 5: that's what Andrew Berry got. The Hall that we got

635
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 5: was just incredible, but it still was a little tough

636
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 5: to go through that number two pick and see somebody

637
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 5: else take Travis Hunter, who I think is going to

638
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 5: be a fantastic pro and obviously he has the potential

639
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 5: to do something in the NFL that we haven't seen

640
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 5: in a long long time, and that's to play both ways.

641
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we are once you see my kids

642
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: are the same way, by the way, I mean, they

643
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: had the number twelves ready, they were locked into it.

644
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: That was a big explainer for me with that one

645
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: once once that went down. But once you saw the

646
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: hall Hoff then you're like, Okay, I get this. But

647
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: and I made this point to Ze earlier. Now's the

648
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: hard part, Right now, you got to land the picks.

649
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: Like when you have the holes that we have on

650
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: this roster, thirty three needs to be a starter and

651
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: a dude thirty.

652
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: Seven who helps you score the football.

653
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Speaker 2: That's right. Thirty seven needs to be a starter and

654
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: a dude. Mason Graham needs to be a Pro Bowl

655
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: caliber defensive tackle. That's what he needs to be. Next

656
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: year's two picks have to be players. So like, you've

657
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 2: done this. Now you have the opportunity, but now you

658
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: have better be sure in your process and you have

659
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: to hit on these picks. Buddy, that's the part. That's

660
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 2: the tricky part.

661
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's the problem. You know, when you do

662
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 5: look at those draft trade boards and everybody kind of

663
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 5: uses the same one. You realize, Okay, the Browns won

664
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 5: this one, but that's that's when they're exes and one

665
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 5: variables that their series, right, and until they're actually human

666
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 5: beings really doesn't matter. And so you're right, like, you

667
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 5: still got to be able to identify the guys and

668
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 5: turn them into great players. And if Mason Graham turns

669
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 5: out to be an okay player, you're gonna say it

670
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 5: probably wasn't a great decision, especially if you look at

671
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 5: Travis Hunter and he becomes a star in the league,

672
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 5: not only as a performer, but you know, as a personality.

673
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 5: So really the hard part is can you turn what

674
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 5: is potentially great draft capital into great players that impact

675
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 5: the Browns season and not just you know, down the

676
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 5: line in a few years. But like, we need some

677
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 5: impact dudes right now. And I think z hit it,

678
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 5: like we need people that can score the football on offense.

679
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, we've been preaching weapons, weapons, weapons, weapons,

680
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 4: And by the way, I just want to say, this

681
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 4: is a very exciting moment for me not to just

682
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: be talking to Hoff, but do you know what the

683
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 4: Hoff was doing right before he was talking with us,

684
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 4: talking with I saw him.

685
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: Last night looking at a cheese curd taco. Is he

686
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:04,479
Speaker 2: doing that?

687
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 4: No, he was talking about a hall of famer. Hall

688
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 4: of famer in our industry. Great Da, Dan Patrick, you're

689
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 4: before us?

690
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: How is that? I love DP, that's my boy.

691
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 4: I don't know if you know, but he and I

692
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 4: used to break bread every Saturday night h in New

693
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 4: York for a few years.

694
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 5: So I got to give these some flowers because you

695
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 5: actually connected us. I've been on the show a few

696
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 5: times that didn't have that personal relationship that you did,

697
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 5: but once you got into the media world, you did,

698
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 5: you were and he was incredible. You connected us. And

699
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 5: Dan reached out to me right away and he's like, hey,

700
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 5: whatever you want, let me know when we get on

701
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 5: a call. And he basically gave me like media training,

702
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 5: you know, at my conduit to be able to have

703
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 5: the best interview in sports media, the best interviewee in

704
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 5: sports media, to be able to just take time with

705
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 5: you and talk about what makes a good interview, what

706
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 5: you think about, what he's thinking about. I mean, it

707
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 5: was unbelievable. Incredibly, you couldn't put a value on it.

708
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 5: What he did for me and then now to you know,

709
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 5: be kind and have me back on a show now

710
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 5: that we're in Green Bay and be able to allow

711
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 5: me to promote my beef sticks and even eat live

712
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 5: on camera. Was so it was It's just so cool.

713
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 5: He's a great man.

714
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: I love seeing the hoff last night slinging beach manat

715
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: we're wearing beefs gear. What are your flavors on the

716
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 2: beef sticks?

717
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 6: Huh.

718
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 5: So we've got a ton of really good ones. And

719
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 5: that was one of the reasons I decided to go

720
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 5: with Prem Meats as my partner is because they were

721
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 5: actually the ones that used to process my deer still

722
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 5: process my deer and make you know, the Buffalo blue

723
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 5: cheese brought worse and the different flavors of jerky and

724
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 5: beef sticks and so my favorite and actually my kid's favorite,

725
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 5: it's like crack cocaine beef stick. It's an apple cheddar

726
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 5: beef stick. And you know, typically you buy a beef

727
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 5: stick and they're good. I mean, I love all meats,

728
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 5: let's be honest. Any meat in my mouth is I'm

729
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 5: a happy guy. But with the beef sticks that they have,

730
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 5: they're very buttery because of the high fat content, high

731
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 5: marbling of the cattle that we use, but also the

732
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 5: recipe that they use, and so it's got this amazing

733
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 5: like buttery feel like when you bite into a really juicy,

734
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 5: delicious steak. But they also the spices they use in

735
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 5: their apple cheddar. They use great Wisconsin cheddar, but they

736
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 5: use like a cinnamon, so it's almost like candy. I

737
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 5: did an interview today with bo Alan. He does like

738
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 5: a green Light podcast with Chris Long, So I was

739
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 5: on there and I let him try one and he

740
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 5: was like, man, this is like candy. I'm like, can't.

741
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 5: That's why my kids are always fighting over it when

742
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 5: they get home and we can't keep it in our fridge.

743
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 5: So that's my favorite. But we also have the jalapeno

744
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 5: and cheddar, We've got the hot and spice, We've got

745
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 5: the karioki. So you're standard flavors. But I'm excited to

746
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 5: continue to expand that because those things are just they're

747
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 5: on a different level. Even when Dan did in, you know,

748
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 5: he was being kind to first try it, but he

749
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 5: been in and he goes, oh wow. He was like, well,

750
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 5: this way better than I expected.

751
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 2: A surprising beef stick.

752
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 5: I love it.

753
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: Man huff, if you all right? So we we we

754
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: have Mason Graham in the first round at five. We

755
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: have a bunch of picks tonight two in the first ten,

756
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 2: with thirty three and thirty seven. You've been a position

757
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: that that Joel Batonio has been in right where you're

758
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 2: the veteran and you're like, boy, let's let's let's make

759
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: a go of this thing. You've got Flacco, You've got Pickett,

760
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: Picket's former first round pick that could be your swing

761
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: at quarterback. What do you make of this roster and

762
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: what do you think needs to be added to it tonight?

763
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 5: Well, I think the obvious one in the question is

764
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 5: who's going to be your quarterback? I mean, we were

765
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 5: all tickled pink when Joe Flacco re signed, and you know,

766
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 5: I saw the Browns media recently posting some pictures of

767
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 5: him arriving. And I think there was a picture of

768
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 5: him with his kid last night, maybe at an Indians game.

769
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 5: So there's a lot of feel good around Flacco. But

770
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 5: I think you also have to know, you know, he's

771
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 5: not Joe Flackel that I played against when you know

772
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 5: I was still playing. He's an older guy. I think

773
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 5: he can still sling the ball, there's no question about that.

774
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 5: But who's going to be his heir apparent, Who's going

775
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 5: to be that guy that is going to maybe compete

776
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 5: with him for the job potentially this season, or maybe

777
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 5: who is that guy that can really learn a lot

778
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 5: and from the quarterback of the future meant being able

779
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 5: to be mentored by a guy like a Joe Flacco,

780
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 5: which is something that you know, I think is such

781
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 5: an important thing in today's NFL is to have that

782
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 5: veteran that has that play and experience that's willing to

783
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 5: work with a rookie quarterback and help develop and sort

784
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 5: of be his right hand man on the field and

785
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 5: in the locker room and in meeting rooms. And so

786
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 5: you know, I'm no expert. I've always liked Shador Sanders

787
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 5: a lot because my son is like the most He's

788
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 5: like a mini mel Cali Berry, Like he knows everything

789
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 5: about every one of these guys. And he gets to

790
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 5: come tonight, I'm announcing one of the picks, and I'm

791
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 5: trying to twist the NFL's arm to let him come

792
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 5: out there with me, because he's been saying for a while, like, hey,

793
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 5: if we can get better in the second round. It'll

794
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 5: be awesome. So like, if it actually happens, then he

795
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 5: gets to come out there with the movie so cool.

796
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 4: That would be amazing. I have to ask you this though,

797
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 4: because maybe I'm not reading the right tea leaves. I

798
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 4: hope I'm reading the wrong tea leaves, but it kind

799
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 4: of feels to me, haff like the Browns have made

800
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 4: a pretty clear declaration that they're not taking a quarterback

801
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 4: at thirty three or thirty six tonight. And my logic

802
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 4: for that is the initial trade, which was to acquire

803
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 4: a future first round pick. To me, that feels like

804
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 4: that is done. That's saying we really liked cam Ward,

805
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 4: we couldn't get him, so now we're going to try

806
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: to get assets for a quarterback next year, which is

807
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,959
Speaker 4: no sure thing. As we know, if a team doesn't

808
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 4: want to trade the pick, they won't trade the pick.

809
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 4: We couldn't get from two to one this year, for example.

810
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 4: And then the fact that at the end of the

811
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 4: first round, the Browns having thirty three and thirty six,

812
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 4: could have probably moved from thirty six, kept thirty three,

813
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 4: and gotten too thirty two with Kansas City for not

814
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 4: much or thirty three to thirty two. If that's what

815
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 4: was required for nothing to lock up that quarterback and

816
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 4: they didn't do it.

817
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 5: I think you're right. But I think this is one

818
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 5: consideration you should mention, though, is you know, in the

819
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 5: first round, top of the first round, even as you

820
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 5: slide back into the middle of the later parts of

821
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 5: the first round, when you draft a quarterback, there he's

822
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 5: your guy and you become immediately tied to him. And

823
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 5: it's not a player that you can move off of

824
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 5: very easily if, for instance, you have him in the

825
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 5: building for a year and you don't love him and

826
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 5: you don't see that he's the guy of the future.

827
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 5: In the draft class, I went third, and then the Browns,

828
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 5: you know, moved up. I think they traded with the

829
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 5: Cowboys and got Brady Quinn. And he's your guy, right,

830
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 5: and you're really tied to that player. But once you

831
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 5: get into the second round, you're able to take flyers

832
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 5: on quarterbacks legat Shad or Sanders, and I think they

833
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 5: knew that he wasn't going to go in the first round,

834
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 5: and so now if you do take him in the

835
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 5: second round, you get him in the building for a year,

836
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 5: you got an opportunity to see what he can do right,

837
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 5: and maybe he takes over as the starter in the season.

838
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 5: At some point, maybe it wins the job. I don't know,

839
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 5: but at least he's there with you and you're around

840
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 5: him for a full year, and then you know for

841
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 5: sure and with conviction, like, yeah, we think this is

842
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 5: the dude for the future. And then now you can

843
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 5: do the basket's around him next year with those two

844
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 5: first round picks. But if he's not, it's much easier

845
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,359
Speaker 5: to say, well, you know, we didn't get it, so

846
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 5: we still have those two picks next year, and then

847
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 5: we could potentially trade our pick the following year to

848
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 5: move up and to go, you know, target a guy

849
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 5: and then select him. And then now you really have

850
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 5: an opportunity to say, Okay, well we didn't like Shador.

851
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 5: He didn't work out, but boom, we're going to go

852
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 5: pick a guy and put our assets together and find

853
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 5: that franchise guy next year in a quarterback class that

854
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 5: supposedly is going to be a lot deeper.

855
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 4: I hope you're right, I really do. I would love

856
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 4: to see Shador here. What's crazy is I had said

857
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 4: that if the Browns came out of the first round,

858
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: really out of the draft. I should say, to be

859
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 4: fair that if they came out of this draft with

860
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 4: Travis Center and Sanders, I was going to we were

861
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 4: going to set up a hot tub. We were going

862
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 4: to fill that hot tub with Aju, and I was

863
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 4: based in it. In the Aju hot tub while dipping

864
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 4: prime rib eating. It had a mashed potato label, and

865
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 4: I was gonna have a fine, a fine bottle of Bordeaux,

866
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 4: and this was gonna be my celebration. And the crazy

867
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 4: thing is is that the Browns and making no moves

868
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Speaker 4: at all, requiring nothing of them other than picking where

869
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 4: they were slotted at two and thirty three. So it

870
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 4: could have done it, yeah, z and will be no

871
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 4: Aju as Travis Hunter is down in Jacksonville. We make

872
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 4: that trade. And again I hope you're right with Shador.

873
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 4: I think it is easier to move off quarterback than

874
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 4: ever now. Honestly, no matter where they pick. Kenny Picketts

875
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 4: on his third team, Mac Jones been moved around, Zach

876
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 4: Wilson's been moving there all all these guys are moving around,

877
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 4: but you get Mason Graham and the Browns had said

878
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 4: clearly they thought that there were you know, five blue

879
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 4: chip players or elite players in this draft, and that

880
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 4: Mason Graham was one of them.

881
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: What does Mason Graham bring to this team?

882
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 4: Because, unfortunately, I think a lot of our fans and

883
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 4: certainly us sitting here who are not in the war rooms.

884
00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 4: You know, we look at the scene, we say, you're

885
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 4: the we're scoring offense in the NFL. You have an

886
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 4: opportunity to get weapons. I'm pretty sure if the pick

887
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 4: yesterday and said of Masagram was ashing tente, the vibe

888
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 4: around the Browns from the outside is completely different. Inside,

889
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: they're thrilled, they're related here. But what does he bring

890
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 4: to this team? And why should Browns fans As a

891
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 4: man who made his hey in the trenches, why should

892
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 4: Browns fans be excited about adding Mason Graham to Miles

893
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 4: Garrett and to My Hall and to MALIEK. Collins and

894
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 4: Isaiah maguire and Joe Tryon Showinka and Alex Right and

895
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 4: all of that.

896
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 5: Well you just mentioned it. I mean, I think everybody

897
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 5: saw the Super Bowl last year and how the Eagles won. Yeah,

898
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 5: they had a good offense, but they won them because

899
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 5: their defensive line was incredible. So they allowed Vic Fangio

900
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 5: and that defense just sit into a cover two and say, hey,

901
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 5: we dare you to try to run us out of it.

902
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 5: We know you can't because we've got this incredibly deep,

903
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 5: patuning defensive line that basically will not allow it to happen.

904
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 5: And oh, by the way, if you try to pass,

905
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 5: we're gonna win a one on one at some point

906
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 5: because you can't hold up. And you know, I played

907
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 5: against Jim Schwartz defenses before it. It's a bad feeling

908
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 5: when they're rushing four dudes and all their four dudes

909
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 5: can get home because no matter how good you are

910
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 5: on the old line, it's hard to hold up against

911
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,959
Speaker 5: two or three good pass ursus when he got four

912
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 5: and you've got a depth behind them that can come

913
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 5: in and beat your starters with their backups. Like it

914
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 5: is a really, really tough situation. And I think with

915
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 5: Mason Graham, he is incredibly active, like the effort that

916
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,959
Speaker 5: he brings, the strength and quickness on the inside. He's

917
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 5: so disruptive. He's got that first step quickness. I'm not

918
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 5: gonna say he's Aaron Donald, but that type of player

919
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 5: that has that disruptive first step quickness and then when

920
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 5: you just pair them with those other great players, it's

921
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 5: it's additive. It's the synergistic one plus one equals three

922
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 5: because now he's getting one on ones instead of double

923
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 5: teams if you don't have those other guys. And he's

924
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 5: forcing the quarterback to get off the spot and not

925
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 5: allowing the quarterback to step up, because Miles Garrett, what

926
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 5: does he do best. He turns the corner and forces

927
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 5: a quarterback step up. A lot of times if you

928
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 5: don't have the interior pressure, nobody even notices that Miles

929
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 5: right past the left tackle because the quarterback just steps

930
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 5: up two steps because he's got a clean pocket. And

931
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 5: so I think the Browns are really realizing and Miles,

932
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 5: after talking to him this morning and how excited he

933
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 5: was about it, like they realized, like, if we can

934
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 5: get pressure on the interior, that just makes the guy

935
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 5: that we just paid on the outside, Miles Garrett, even better.

936
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 5: And now those plays where you didn't even notice him

937
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 5: because the ball gets thrown, those are turned into sacks.

938
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 4: When you mentioned him as Aaron down. So this is

939
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 4: somebody for people who you know. Everybody probably in this

940
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 4: area watched the Mission Ohio State game. I think and

941
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 4: saw him dominate Michigan, dominate Ohio State and was probably

942
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 4: the best player on the field, certainly on that Michigan

943
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 4: team that won the national championship. And you've heard a

944
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 4: lot of people say that about him, when if you

945
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 4: just look at the production numbers, you know it's three

946
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 4: three and a half sacks, seven tackles for lost, seven

947
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 4: and a half tackles for loss. How does that? How

948
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 4: does somebody who does that in college and educate us?

949
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 4: Because I don't have those answers. I'm I stay very

950
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 4: well in my lanes. You've helped me with offensive line play.

951
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 4: Now I guess I'm gonna get a little education from

952
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 4: the hoff on defensive line play. But how does somebody

953
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 4: like that become a ten sack a year guy in

954
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 4: the NFL? Because I feel like if you're drafting a

955
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 4: defensive tackle fifth overall, that's what you're thinking. You're thinking,

956
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 4: this is a double digit sack Pro Bowl type of

957
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 4: a player, because if he's not a three down player,

958
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 4: you're not taking him fifth overall.

959
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: So how do those numbers increase?

960
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 4: And then I think the answer could lie in here

961
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 4: when you say that he was a read and react guy,

962
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 4: sometimes a two gap guy, but now he's going to

963
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 4: ask to just be in an attack front and attack

964
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 4: they think that opens it up. So how does he

965
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 4: make that leap to be the player that he really

966
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 4: needs to be to be taken where he was?

967
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head right.

968
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 5: It's all about the system that you're in, and we've

969
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 5: seen that throughout NFL history, Like, you have these guys

970
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 5: that are incredible players on the inside, and what they're

971
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 5: asked to do sometimes doesn't highlight the things that they

972
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 5: do best. And I'm not saying that it's not the

973
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 5: best for the defense overall. If you've got a guy

974
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 5: like a Cam Hayward, for instance, who's more of a

975
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 5: you know, he's two gaping, he's holding his gap, he's

976
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 5: taken on blox, he's opening up lanes for their linebackers

977
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 5: to run free. Like, whatever their strategy is on defense,

978
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 5: it probably works for them on defense. But individually, when

979
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 5: you take a guy from more of a two gap

980
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 5: role and you put them in the Jim Schwartz role

981
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 5: where they say, hey, I want you to line up

982
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 5: on the edge on the outside of this guard's shoulder

983
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 5: and use your quickness, use your ability to shoot the

984
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 5: gap and to penetrate. As a former wrestler with an

985
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 5: incredible feel for leverage, like, what we want you to

986
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 5: do is disrupt, and he doesn't have to worry so

987
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 5: much about Hey, I got to keep my gap. I

988
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 5: got to watch these blocks, try to read these blocks,

989
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 5: and they say, hey, disrupt, get it this gap, get

990
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 5: to the quarterback, get to the ball carrier. Create havoc

991
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 5: because that disruption on the line of scrimmage is what

992
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 5: will allow our linebackers to run free, rather than you

993
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 5: absorbing two or three blocks to let our linebackers run free.

994
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 5: And I think pairing him with Miles Garrett. I think

995
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 5: back to Warren's stapp when he was playing with the

996
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 5: Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and I'm trying to remember the name

997
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 5: of the outside pass rusher the defensive end. I think

998
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 5: that but that would have been cool.

999
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 7: Bad My bet it was Simmy and Rice was sim

1000
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 7: and anyway, so what they kind of did that people

1001
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 7: like hadn't gone up until that point.

1002
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 5: And it's really what one Tampa the Super Bowls. They

1003
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 5: took Warren step instead of playing him over the guard,

1004
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 5: like the outside shoulder of the guard like most people do.

1005
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 5: They played him over the inside shoulder of the tackle.

1006
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 5: And now what what really makes that hard for an

1007
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 5: offensive tackle is I got a guy out there who's

1008
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 5: already a problem, so I already know I got to

1009
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 5: get back as fast as I can, and I got

1010
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 5: to gain a little bit of whip to be able

1011
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 5: to get to where that guy's rushing, and he's doing

1012
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 5: it so quickly. But now, because I got this really big, fast,

1013
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 5: quick defensive tackle that's lined up over me, he's rushing

1014
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 5: actually into me as well. So I got to use

1015
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 5: my inside hand to try to keep that defensive tackle

1016
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,919
Speaker 5: away from me, because by the way, he's also trying

1017
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 5: to grab me and stop me from going out to

1018
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 5: block Miles. So I'm using my inside hand to keep

1019
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,240
Speaker 5: him away, but I also have to kind of slow

1020
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 5: down because my garden needs a little bit of time

1021
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 5: to get there. And if I just fly out of

1022
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 5: there and I turn my shoulders, now I'm going to

1023
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 5: get hit with a te stunt, right, And they call

1024
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 5: it a read game. So basically, that defensive tackles line

1025
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 5: up on the tackles inside shoulder, he rushes right at

1026
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 5: my inside. I'm trying to keep them away. If I

1027
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 5: turn my shoulders at all, that defensive end now reads

1028
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 5: what I'm doing with my shoulders. He rushes up the

1029
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 5: field and then loops behind that defensive tackle. And then

1030
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 5: now they got a two on one on the guard

1031
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 5: with the defensive tackle because he's still inside of me.

1032
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 5: So I'm not really technically blocking him, but now the

1033
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 5: guard's in a hard spot, and they can just run

1034
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 5: that over and over and over again in passing situations,

1035
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 5: and it's almost impossible for a tackle to handle. And

1036
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 5: so I think opening up that part of his game

1037
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 5: and allowing him to get into that wide three technique

1038
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 5: that four I, which is the inside eye of the

1039
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 5: offensive tackle, is really what's gonna unleash the potential for

1040
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 5: a guy named Mason Graham.

1041
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: So kind of like Justin Smith Alden Smith when they

1042
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 3: were used to do that with.

1043
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 5: The ninety, That's exactly what they did.

1044
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, did you eat the cheese curd taco?

1045
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 5: I thankfully I had not been inebriated enough, not enough

1046
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Speaker 5: Coors Light yet to go for I've been that. I've

1047
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1048
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1049
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1050
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1080
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: going from two to five a godfather offer?

1081
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 8: I think it's debatable. I mean, I think they certainly

1082
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 8: did well with the return, getting next year's one, and

1083
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 8: you know that second this year. You know, going into

1084
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 8: tonight having two of the first four or five picks

1085
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 8: is certainly a power position where there's a lot of

1086
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 8: good talent up on the board. So tonight, who knows,

1087
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 8: they might not be picking at thirty three. I'm sure

1088
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 8: they're getting plenty of calls about possibly moving back even

1089
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 8: more and pick up another third, pick up another twenty

1090
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 8: twenty six second. You know, so I think that the

1091
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 8: trading is not done. I think that they're going to

1092
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 8: receive some more calls, and having two picks early tonight

1093
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 8: gives them the flexibility to take one of the guys

1094
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 8: and then maybe trade back and recoup some more picks.

1095
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 8: But you know, I think it just this all comes

1096
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 8: back to the quarterback position and positioning yourself in next

1097
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 8: year's class to go get a quarterback. To me, that's

1098
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 8: the statement that Browns made last night. It was more about,

1099
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 8: let's let's put ourselves in position to go get our guy.

1100
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 8: How what is our path to a quarterback? And this

1101
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,479
Speaker 8: is I think they looked at this quarterback class and said,

1102
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 8: we like these guys, we just don't love them all right,

1103
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 8: Let's position ourselves for next year to go get that guy.

1104
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 8: And I think that's a tough pill to swallow for

1105
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 8: a lot of fans, you know, with next year, next year,

1106
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 8: next year. But it sure seems like that's that's the

1107
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 8: where they're thinking based on what they did last night.

1108
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: I agree with you. That's the way I read it.

1109
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 4: They made that trade and then they did not move

1110
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 4: back when it would have been very easy from thirty

1111
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 4: three or thirty six to thirty two to make sure

1112
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 4: they got somebody got a fifth year option, and they

1113
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 4: did not do so.

1114
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: So I'm with you.

1115
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 4: I think that means a quarterback this year is going

1116
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 4: to end up being you know, McCord, Howard Gabriel, somebody

1117
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 4: later on and there they are not going to take

1118
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 4: a quarterback. So that being said, talk to us for

1119
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 4: a little bit about Mason Graham. He was the number

1120
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 4: four player on your board, one of the kind of

1121
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 4: consensus blue chip guys. How does the production he generated

1122
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 4: at Michigan? How does that exponentially increase in the National

1123
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 4: Football League? Because I think when you draft the defensive

1124
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 4: tackle that spot, he's got to be a guy that

1125
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 4: you think can get, you know, double digit sacks or

1126
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 4: be a complete game record double digit tackles for loss.

1127
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 3: How does that happen?

1128
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I go back to last year just watching

1129
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 8: that Michigan team that won a national title. They had

1130
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 8: stayed double the players on that team that got drafted

1131
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 8: last year, but you could not take your eyes off

1132
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 8: of number fifty five when you watch that team. It

1133
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 8: was just it was a tough thing to do. And

1134
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 8: you know, he might not look exactly like you want

1135
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 8: a defensive tackle that you're drafting top five to look

1136
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 8: in terms of the length, in terms of the body type.

1137
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 8: But all I know is you slip on the tape

1138
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 8: and he's a hard guy to block, and ultimately that's

1139
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 8: what you want in defensive linement. Give me the guys

1140
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 8: the hardest to block, and that's Mason Graham. His ability

1141
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 8: to deconstruct blocks is so natural and easy for him.

1142
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 8: And I think that you look back to high school

1143
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 8: and his wrestling background and just you know the way

1144
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 8: he developed, how strong he is with his hands. He's

1145
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 8: a leverage monster. See who will get underneath guys and

1146
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 8: understands how to separate and detach from those blocks and

1147
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 8: just consistently live in the backfield. So Mason Graham's the

1148
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 8: guy that immediate when he was on the field, looked

1149
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 8: like a different player for that Michigan defense. And he

1150
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 8: played on a defensive line that was loaded with really

1151
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 8: good talent, but it was still fifty five that stood

1152
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 8: out over and over and over again, and I think,

1153
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 8: you know it's a player where you just you wish

1154
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 8: we had the testing information. We don't have that for him.

1155
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 8: All you do is the bench press throughout the process.

1156
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 8: So there's some maybe some data points missing from his

1157
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 8: profile that you wish you had, But the tape the outstanding,

1158
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 8: and I think in this draft, and he was my

1159
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 8: number four overall player in the draft, so in this

1160
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 8: draft you could certainly make the case he was worthy

1161
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 8: of that pick there at number five.

1162
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 2: Talking to Great Dane Brugler, the athletic, the author of

1163
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 2: the Beast, we have it sitting right here, and.

1164
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 3: I got a three hole punch in a binder. Dan,

1165
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: It's beautiful.

1166
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: I knew, Yeah, Young Gabriel had it set up for us, Dane.

1167
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: All right, we're sitting there at thirty three and thirty

1168
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: six then, and let's say that everybody here is on

1169
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: the same page and like they are that if they

1170
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: wanted a quarterback, they would have went up and got

1171
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: I think, so it's not going to be quarterback at

1172
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 2: thirty three and thirty six. If let's go along with

1173
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 2: that for now, what should we do at thirty three

1174
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 2: and thirty six? What is the best way? Because if

1175
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 2: this is a godfather offer and everything he got back

1176
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 2: and all the assets and all of it, then you've

1177
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 2: got to hit and you have to take advantage of

1178
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 2: these picks that are there. If you're Andrew Berry, what

1179
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 2: do you do at thirty three and thirty six?

1180
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I don't I really don't think he's like

1181
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 8: a right or wrong answer, like they have to go

1182
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 8: get this guy or that guy. I mean, I think

1183
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 8: there's a lot of different ways they can attack, and

1184
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 8: I can't wait to see how they do it, because

1185
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 8: I mean, you look at it. Emerson Newsome potentially in

1186
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 8: contract years here, you know, Denzel Ward health concerns his

1187
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 8: corner like a Trey Amos a direction they could go here.

1188
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 8: Donovan Azeraku, the pass rusher out of Boston College, really

1189
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 8: productive long player, you know, is he maybe the answer

1190
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 8: the add to this pass rush rotation to help take

1191
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 8: you know, take help take. There's some of the pressure

1192
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 8: off of Miles Garrett and you add them to the

1193
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 8: line along with Mason Graham, really revamped that defensive front.

1194
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 8: I think that's certainly in the cards. I think that

1195
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 8: they have hopes for Cedric Tillman to be the X

1196
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 8: of this team and then maybe you add someone else

1197
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 8: to uh, you know, be the y Z with with

1198
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 8: Judy so receiver certainly in play here. You know, I've

1199
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 8: got my eyes on the two Iowa State guys Jalen

1200
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 8: Knowl and Jayden Higgins. Luther Burden still on the board,

1201
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 8: So wide receivers certainly in direction we could see this

1202
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 8: team go. And then you know, running back, I mean

1203
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 8: Nick Chubb is, you know, still unsigned, and in my opinion,

1204
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 8: drowing forward is more of a running back two than

1205
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 8: a running back one. So what are the Browns opinion

1206
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 8: on you know, the two Ohio State running backs Trevon Henderson,

1207
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 8: Quinchawn Judkins. Caleb Johnson's still out there. So and we

1208
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 8: know this team needs offensive line, and so I mean

1209
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 8: there's a lot of different ways that this team can go.

1210
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 8: And I think you look at the board as the

1211
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 8: teams reset, you see the talent available, and you if

1212
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 8: you're the Browns, I think you gotta be pretty excited

1213
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 8: about the options that.

1214
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 5: You'll have here.

1215
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 4: You mentioned you like Jerome Ford is the number two.

1216
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 4: He's kind of a home run hitter. So if the

1217
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 4: Browns were going to kind of look to make kind

1218
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 4: of as we've seen kind of around the league, you know,

1219
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 4: you have that your home run hitter, but then you've

1220
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 4: got your bell cow power back who in this draft

1221
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 4: fits that.

1222
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 3: Moult because I really think that this is the worst scoring.

1223
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 4: Team in the league. I think we need weapons. He

1224
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 4: had opportunity to get two of them here. I think

1225
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 4: one certainly needs to be a running back. So who

1226
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 4: would be who fits that role? If Travion is in

1227
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 4: that home run mold, maybe he isn't a fit, although

1228
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 4: I certainly would I would jump for joy if the

1229
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 4: Browns took him. Who are the guys that maybe you

1230
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 4: think you see in that lead role with Ford? Is

1231
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 4: that home run hitting compliment?

1232
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 8: Well, I mean, I think we have to look at

1233
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 8: Quinchin Judkins, right, I mean, just he's a well built,

1234
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 8: compact back, power, full at contact, but also has some

1235
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 8: explosiveness to him. You know, he's just a no nonsense runner.

1236
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 8: He can run inside outside, not gonna blow you away

1237
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 8: with the speed necessarily, but he just knows how.

1238
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 5: To play the position.

1239
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 8: And I think, you know, you look at the upside

1240
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 8: on passing downs, what he can do as a pass catcher,

1241
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 8: what he can do as a blocker. You know, he

1242
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 8: doesn't fumble. He's a very reliable player. He's durable. So

1243
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 8: Quinchawn Judkins from Ohio State, I know, obviously Cleveland fans,

1244
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 8: I think we'd be happy with that to keeping you know,

1245
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 8: Ohio State brought judkinsville Ohio and Columbus, and hey, we

1246
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 8: can just keep him here. And I think that that's

1247
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 8: something that would potentially fit. But I agree with what

1248
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 8: you're saying. I mean it, going defensive line at five,

1249
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 8: you know, that's like, that's fine. In the top five,

1250
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 8: you draft players, not positions. You know, you draft the

1251
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 8: most impactful players. Here in the second round. All right,

1252
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 8: let's look at where we really need to address certain needs.

1253
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 8: And yeah, like you said, this team was thirty second

1254
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 8: in the league last year and offensive scoring thirty second

1255
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 8: in the league in third down conversions. So how are

1256
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 8: we going to do help? Whoever is playing quarterback change

1257
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 8: those numbers. And you know I mentioned those receivers. I

1258
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 8: think they should be in play. The running backs, quinch

1259
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 8: on Judkins, I think that, you know, and I wouldn't

1260
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 8: roll out Travion just because you know, just bec as

1261
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 8: drone forward to this certain type of back. I don't

1262
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 8: think that stops you from doubling up and going with

1263
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 8: Trevion Anderson either. Caleb Johnson, I know that as a

1264
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 8: player they love and not loved, but as a player

1265
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 8: they like I should say, of Iowa, a guy that's

1266
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 8: six one, two twenty five, you know, the speeds not

1267
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 8: gonna blow you away, but I think he could be

1268
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 8: a potential.

1269
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: Fit as well.

1270
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 8: So, but this is also a running back draft where

1271
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 8: they could wait to the third, fourth round and still

1272
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 8: feel pretty pretty good about the options that they'll have

1273
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 8: at this point. So I don't know, I keep coming

1274
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 8: back to wide receiver just for adding in someone else

1275
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 8: to that mix in past rushers, because I think those

1276
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 8: are two positions that are going to fly off the

1277
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 8: board here early in round two.

1278
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: Dan, if there is you mentioned like you're drafting a

1279
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 2: player in the top five and they got your number

1280
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 2: four player on the board in Mason Graham and in

1281
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 2: the thirties, now you're trying to thread that needle between

1282
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 2: need and player. You just kind of gave a little

1283
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 2: lean there that you think running back maybe DNS and

1284
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 2: there's some big DM defensive ends are still out there.

1285
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 2: Running back, receiver, tight end in terms of best players available,

1286
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 2: not individual players, but positionally the depth of those because

1287
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 2: you're sitting there at thirty three, you're at thirty six,

1288
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 2: and then you're at sixty seven. Theoretically, you could go

1289
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 2: one of each. What would be your preferred order in

1290
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 2: terms of running back here, receiver here, tight end here.

1291
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 2: If that is the positional breakdown, yeah.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I think this is the point where you

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Speaker 8: start to look at which positions will stretch, who's going

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Speaker 8: to be available a third round, fourth round, and you

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Speaker 8: can afford to weight And that's where running back I

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01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 8: think comes in. Now, maybe they have such a high

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01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 8: grade on Quinn Shawn Judkins that they don't pass on

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Speaker 8: running back here or whoever might be and they go

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Speaker 8: that way. But like I said, you can wait till third,

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Speaker 8: fourth round and get RJ. Harvey from UCF and Olie

1301
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 8: Gordon from Oklahoma State. You can upgrade your running back

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01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 8: dep chart in a big way in not doing it

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01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 8: here in the second round. Where how do they feel

1304
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 8: about Luther Burden?

1305
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 5: How do they.

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01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 8: Feel about Jalen Knowle? You know, I think both those

1307
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 8: players would make sense if they went in that direction.

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01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 8: And I think receiver, like I said, it's a position

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01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 8: a lot of teams are looking to address, So I

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Speaker 8: don't think it's necessarily going to stretch as much as

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01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 8: running back will tight end and what kind of grade

1312
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Speaker 8: do they have a Mason Taylor. Mason Taylor's universally liked

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Speaker 8: around the league. There's a lot of teams that are

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Speaker 8: in on Mason Taylor. And if yeah, I think there's

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01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 8: a good chance Mason Taylor's off the board in the

1316
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Speaker 8: first ten picks. You know, the Jets, there are just

1317
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 8: several teams that will be in on Mason Taylor. But

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Speaker 8: you know that's a position. We know the Browns have

1319
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 8: been looking at, and you know they could wait. Terrence

1320
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 8: Ferguson's one of my favorite third round guys this year.

1321
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 8: Harold Fannin from Bowling Green could certainly be in the

1322
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 8: conversation at that point. One player that I'm really interested

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01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 8: in going just going away from offense though, is Will

1324
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 8: Johnson from Michigan, who the talent says he's a first

1325
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 8: round player, but not having the forty yard dash, the

1326
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 8: speed questions and then the medicals. The medicals are kind

1327
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 8: of the red flag here. That's why he got out

1328
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 8: of the first round. Teams worried about the knee, teams

1329
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 8: worrying about some of the soft tissue injuries. But where

1330
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 8: is it where he's completely off the board or is

1331
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 8: it hey, if he gets to a certain point, we'll

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Speaker 8: roll the dice with Will Johnson and see what we have.

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Speaker 8: That to me, I'm really interested in the Will Johnson

1334
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 8: slide and where that ends tonight.

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Speaker 4: Dane if the Brown's saying on the defensive side of

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01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 4: the ball, because I am steadfast in my belief we

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01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 4: need to come out of tonight with a running back, receiver,

1338
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:54,919
Speaker 4: and tight end. If there was to be a pick

1339
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 4: on defense, you mentioned defensive end, you mentioned corners. I

1340
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 4: think this team still has a pretty big needed safety.

1341
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 4: You're going in the season with Ronnie Hickman, who I

1342
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 4: do like, but projected as you're starting free safety. So

1343
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 4: that is a position that interests me. And then the

1344
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 4: other one, which is not nearly as fun to talk about,

1345
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 4: but the reality of the situation if j Oka is

1346
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 4: limited or worse, you know, do you is there a

1347
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 4: linebacker that you like in this second round?

1348
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 8: Carson Schwestinger from UCLA certainly, And it's not. The strength

1349
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 8: of this linebacker class is rounds four or five basically.

1350
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 8: You know, a few might go in the third, but

1351
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 8: for the most part, rounds four rounds five is where

1352
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 8: I think we're going to see the most linebackers. But

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01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 8: if they were to go in that direction here in

1354
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 8: the second Carsion Schwestingers, I think certainly worthy of a

1355
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 8: pick in the thirties. The speeds outstanding, the instincts are outstanding.

1356
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 8: He's not a he's a little more finesse than in

1357
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 8: terms of the hands and taking on contact. But he's

1358
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 8: just a fun player to watch, easy to a pre

1359
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 8: because he keys and drives so well. His ability to

1360
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 8: sniff out plays, go and get go and make the plays,

1361
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 8: it's really jumps off the film. I mean, and it's

1362
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 8: not he led the nation and solo tackles this year.

1363
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 8: I mean, he was all over the place. So Sweeshinger

1364
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 8: I think would be a home run pick if they

1365
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 8: went that way here in the thirties. And like I

1366
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 8: mentioned with Corner, I mean, and that's a good point

1367
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 8: about safety two. But with nick Emmon Warry still available,

1368
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 8: is that someone that they would potentially look at and

1369
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 8: more is known more as the you know, the combine darling,

1370
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Speaker 8: the guy that tested off the charts, but he has

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Speaker 8: good tape too, and his teammates just spoke really highly

1372
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Speaker 8: of his practice habits and how smart he was during

1373
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 8: practice and all those things. So even worry I think

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Speaker 8: you know, as a position or a player that we

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Speaker 8: could see come off of ward here pretty quickly in

1376
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Speaker 8: round two. And I'm also interested to see where the

1377
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Speaker 8: Mike Green slide ends up. You know, Mike Green had

1378
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 8: a couple of things off the field. But you know,

1379
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 8: I've spoken teams that are they sound like they're okay

1380
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 8: with it, you know, and so Mike Green, is there

1381
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,439
Speaker 8: a certain point where it's like, all right, enough's enough,

1382
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 8: We're going to take a chance on this guy. And

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01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 8: you know, could that potentially be for a team like

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Speaker 8: the Browns.

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Speaker 2: All right, Dan, let's let's take us out of it.

1386
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 5: Uh.

1387
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Speaker 2: The headline in day one for you was what.

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Speaker 8: I mean, Yeah, the headline for me was the Browns

1389
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 8: trading out like that was to me the because I

1390
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 8: heard we heard rumblings of it earlier in the day.

1391
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 8: I took it as more as rumors than it was

1392
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 8: actually gonna happen. But hey, it happened, and it was.

1393
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 8: It created a domino effect too, because if that doesn't happen,

1394
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 8: the Jaguars likely take ashon Gentia five, which means, okay,

1395
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 8: the Raiders probably go Kelvin Banks and the like, and

1396
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 8: it's just a domino effect that changed the entire first round,

1397
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Speaker 8: and so that was a really interesting pivot point in

1398
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Speaker 8: the draft y. You know, I think what a lot

1399
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 8: of people are wondering is, you know, the Shadoor Sanders slide.

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01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,080
Speaker 8: And I hate to even call it a slide because look,

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Speaker 8: this is what I've been saying this. I've been saying

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Speaker 8: this since October, Like Shador has always been more of

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01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 8: a late one, more of an early two day two

1404
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 8: type of player. That that's just who he is. And

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01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 8: we thought there was a good chance he could have

1406
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 8: gone in the top five, just because quarterback desperation is

1407
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 8: a real thing, and in this draft he was kind

1408
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 8: of next up. But now it's gonna be interesting to

1409
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 8: see where Chador ends up because I think, you know,

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01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 8: like the Saints, I'm told her out. I don't think

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Speaker 8: the Raiders are gonna go in that direction, although I

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Speaker 8: wouldn't completely rule them out. You know, Pittsburgh seems like

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01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 8: the most likely landing spot, but they don't have a

1414
01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 8: second round pick, so are we talking third round or

1415
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 8: possible trade up. There are just only so many landing

1416
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 8: spots for Shador Sanders, and it's gonna be really interesting

1417
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 8: to see where he ultimately ends up tonight where in

1418
01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 8: which team? So that that was something that I know,

1419
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 8: you know, it was the top big topic last night

1420
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 8: as we went through the first round. I Shedor Sanders

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01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 8: did not make my final mock draft, so I wasn't

1422
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 8: very surprised, but I know a lot of people were.

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01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 2: You're the best, buddy. We could not do the draft

1424
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 2: without you, No quite literally, So thank you so much

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01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 2: and appreciate your time and your expertise today.

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Speaker 8: No many time, guys enjoy tonight.

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Speaker 2: What did Obviously, you know, you're doing the radio network

1441
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 2: and so you're you're locked into that. But as you

1442
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 2: were watching the draft, what jumped out to you outside

1443
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 2: of what we did? And then we'll get into kind

1444
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 2: of where we see us going here in the second

1445
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 2: round here momentarily.

1446
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Speaker 4: So a couple of things actually really did jump out

1447
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 4: to me in this and first would be the AFC

1448
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 4: South saying this is an arms race. We need to

1449
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 4: be able to score the football. And I applaud them

1450
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,759
Speaker 4: for that. I thought that that was you get a quarterback,

1451
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 4: you get the best tight end the draft, you get

1452
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 4: who am I blanking on? Oh and Travis Center, that's

1453
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 4: the best receiver in the draft.

1454
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 3: I like it.

1455
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 4: NFC South also a little bit of an arms race, yeah,

1456
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 4: in the sense that McMillan goes and apparently Bryce Young

1457
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 4: was like, I have to have this guy. Bryce Young

1458
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 4: and McMillan had been throwing together out in California for

1459
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 4: a month.

1460
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 2: It was weird and nobody had him mocked that high.

1461
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 3: Uh, there were Caroline Carolina a few, but that was

1462
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 3: the highest. That was the highest. So there were some

1463
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 3: people that maybe you know, they they saw the idea.

1464
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense. I like that.

1465
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 4: And then you think about adding a Mecca Buka to

1466
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 4: a team that already has Mike Evans, a team that

1467
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 4: already has Godwin, and that already has Jalen McMillan. Jalen

1468
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 4: Millan on his rookie year last year is like a

1469
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 4: third or fourth round pick, caught eight touchdowns. Yeah, so

1470
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 4: that was that's a real luxury pick. But I don't

1471
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 4: know why then why give Godwin all that money?

1472
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 2: So my thing was Godwin had that horrific injury at

1473
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 2: the end of last year and they paid him a lot.

1474
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 2: They did. But now you just slide a Mecca in there,

1475
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 2: and Mike Evans is in and he's in the slot,

1476
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 2: and you're ready to go. Mechs a pro, he's a

1477
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 2: pro receiver. Yeah, like he's plug and play, ready to go.

1478
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 2: I noticed that too. There was some different like the teams.

1479
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 2: So we're in the position of we need to stockpile

1480
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 2: as many guys who can come in and start, like

1481
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 2: we need a lot of starters, is what we need,

1482
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 2: and that's what this draft will be out in the

1483
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 2: second and third round tonight. But then there were teams

1484
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 2: you mentioned. I thought Tampa was interesting, Like Tampa's like,

1485
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 2: all right, God's going to be out. Here's a pro

1486
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 2: receiver we're gonna get at nineteen. Let's not overthink it.

1487
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 2: Let's put him in. Let's give Bake all these weapons.

1488
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 2: My god, does he have a lot of weapons. Yeah,

1489
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 2: let's give him all these weapons to work with. I

1490
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 2: think about i'man up being four Buckeyes in the first round.

1491
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 2: TYLERK Williams went to Detroit. Nobody had him going that high. Well,

1492
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 2: why did that happen? Because there was an incredible run

1493
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: on defensive tackles that started with us.

1494
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 3: It was a trench draft.

1495
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 2: It was a trenches draft and defensive ends. I think

1496
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 2: there were eight d n's or d tackles in the

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Speaker 2: In the first.

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Speaker 4: The Falcons drafted two and gave up a first round

1499
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 4: pick to go to number twenty six.

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Speaker 2: That is that blue my mind. I've never heard of that.

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01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 2: I could not believed that I've heard of it. I

1502
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 2: thought what the Giants did was very strange. I thought

1503
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 2: it was very strange. Abdul Carter. I get it. Now,

1504
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: they have dns. They got a bunch of them. Their

1505
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 2: d line's really good. They got a bunch of them.

1506
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 2: But if he's one of the five blue chips, fine,

1507
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 2: you take him and you sleep well at night. Okay, fine,

1508
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 2: But then to trade back in to get Jackson Dart

1509
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 2: in the first round after Pittsburgh had passed on him,

1510
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 2: where was the intel saying you're getting him in a

1511
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,599
Speaker 2: quarterback room that you've added him to that has Russell Wilson,

1512
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 2: Jameis Winston and now him and a and a coach

1513
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 2: in front office that feel like they're on the thinnest

1514
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 2: possible ice. So now a first round quarterback. So it'll

1515
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 2: be pressured to play Jackson.

1516
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 4: They've already stated last night, Babel that he's not Russell

1517
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 4: Wilson is our starter.

1518
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: Okay, so we just did this last year in Pittsburgh,

1519
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 2: So Wilson's a starter. So use a first round pick

1520
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 2: on a quarterback who will not play this year if

1521
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 2: you follow your plan right, and if if it goes

1522
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 2: the way that you think it's going to go, because

1523
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 2: that's not a very good team, you will be out

1524
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 2: of a job. So the quarterback you just took in

1525
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 2: the first round, you won't even coach, So that one

1526
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 2: was puzzling to me. I did not understand that at all.

1527
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 4: The only thing I could think is they thought the

1528
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:09,559
Speaker 4: Rams were gonna take him as an heir apparent Stafford,

1529
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 4: But I don't believe that was the case.

1530
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 3: So very surprising. They could have just probably chilled and yeah,

1531
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 3: been fine.

1532
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 2: By the way, that's where I think Shoder is gonna go.

1533
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 2: I think he'll go Rams. Maybe a good fit for

1534
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 2: him as a yeah, as a weight weightless guy, yep

1535
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 2: on that. So anyway, who knows on all of that.

1536
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 2: But that's what jumped out to me was just how

1537
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 2: different how teams approached this, And I think our trade

1538
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 2: at two is fits into that. Jacksonville feels like they

1539
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 2: were one electric playmaker away, one blue blue chip player

1540
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 2: away that you got a game plan for every time

1541
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,799
Speaker 2: out from competing with Houston at the top of that division.

1542
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 2: So they went and got him. So to them, like

1543
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 2: everybody says, all they gave up too much. Well, not

1544
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 2: the eye of them, right, we see him and they're celebrating.

1545
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 2: They're gonna put him. They're gonna put him on the

1546
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 2: same field with Brian Thomas and Trevor Lawrence to throwing

1547
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 2: the ball and they get Tank Bigsby and Travis at

1548
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 2: ten and stop us. That's their view that right, we're

1549
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 2: saying we need a bunch of things, and this helped.

1550
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 2: This is gonna help us plug a bunch of holes.

1551
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 2: Some of the things. Some of the holes were plugging

1552
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:16,719
Speaker 2: you could see coming. Others you couldn't. Like if, for example,

1553
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 2: if JK doesn't play fotball again, and who knows, we

1554
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 2: haven't gotten a concrete answer on all of that, all

1555
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:21,599
Speaker 2: of a sudden that's in need.

1556
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 4: I think we'll have you might. You might get a

1557
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 4: tip to if they take a linebacker early. If they

1558
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 4: taken and Dane Ruler said swuestion to it would be

1559
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 4: a home run pick. If that ends up being a

1560
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:34,600
Speaker 4: Browns pick, then I think that unfortunately tells you not

1561
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 4: great things about the stand.

1562
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 2: And I do the show looking at Nick Chubb every day.

1563
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,759
Speaker 2: He's on the wall over there, and that's not something

1564
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,120
Speaker 2: that anybody saw coming. So there there were these unforeseen

1565
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 2: holes in the roster that now we need to we

1566
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 2: need to fill. Yeah, and it's a lot. So that's

1567
01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 2: how that trade makes sense from our vantage. Point is

1568
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 2: you're gonna get, hopefully in a draft where the difference

1569
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 2: between eight and forty or eight and fifty is minimal,

1570
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 2: you're gonna get the of the top four of the

1571
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 2: top fifty six and they're in't that much difference. And

1572
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 2: then next year, in a draft that most people say

1573
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:07,559
Speaker 2: is loaded, you're gonna have two ones.

1574
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's how you do it. Yeah, which is

1575
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 3: interesting today.

1576
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 4: If if let's say that there is a cluster, if

1577
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 4: you get an offer a thirty three to move back

1578
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 4: a few spots, you probably can still get the running

1579
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,800
Speaker 4: back that you want there. And I think if you

1580
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 4: can pick up a future two, so now you got

1581
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 4: two ones two to twos next year, I would certainly

1582
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 4: be open to that because you have signaled through this

1583
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 4: that the twenty twenty five, in my opinion, and I

1584
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,759
Speaker 4: don't know it's case not that they can't be competitive,

1585
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 4: they most certainly can, but that this team is not

1586
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 4: going to be the team barring an unforeseen incredible season

1587
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 4: out of Kenny Pickett, that is not a player that

1588
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 4: is the twenty six and beyond football team. Yes, so

1589
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 4: if you can move off of thirty three, and I'd

1590
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 4: imagine there are gonna be a lot of calls about

1591
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,320
Speaker 4: thirty three as you kind of look at the order,

1592
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 4: let's look at just who could maybe where you could move.

1593
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 4: So could the Raiders at thirty seven say there's somebody

1594
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 4: we want very badly. You have Gino Smith, you've got

1595
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 4: Brock Bowers, you've got Ashton genty, but could you use

1596
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 4: a Luther Burden?

1597
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 2: Well, I think the trade up to thirty three would

1598
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 2: I think would be Will Johnson Mike Green. Like Mike

1599
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 2: Green was a top fifteenth where Dane ham ten. Okay,

1600
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,799
Speaker 2: so he's a he's a big time player. The Marshall

1601
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 2: defensive end, he dropped, never shitting in the first round,

1602
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 2: valvebat are the things that he is. I'm not as

1603
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar, So I'm not going to talk about

1604
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 2: things I don't know because I don't. I don't want

1605
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 2: to get in trouble there, so I don't. I don't

1606
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 2: know about that. But Will Johnson, there were like four

1607
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 2: kids on NCAA twenty twenty five who were ninety nine

1608
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 2: overalls and Will Johnson's one of them. So that's what

1609
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 2: people thought of him. Now, he battled injury a little

1610
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 2: bit last year, but he's a top flight corner at

1611
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 2: his best. So that's somebody that is that a guy?

1612
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 2: There's the tackle? Who am I looking for?

1613
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 5: Oh?

1614
01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 2: Then and the other one is the edge out of

1615
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 2: Boston College? So like, is there a run on these

1616
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 2: edges that make people come up to thirty three to

1617
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 2: get an edge? And if that's the case, come on

1618
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 2: up and we'll take another two next year and we'll

1619
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 2: do it that way. That's how far back would you

1620
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 2: be willing to go? I don't think it's as critical.

1621
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 3: As it was.

1622
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 2: It murders as much.

1623
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 4: I think I'd want to stay at thirty six. And

1624
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 4: you know Saints are at forty Raiders thirty seven teams

1625
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 4: that need corners or edge. The Titans need an edge.

1626
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 4: Could could Ian's come from thirty five to thirty three

1627
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 4: for something the Bears have thirty nine and forty one.

1628
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 3: That's why I learn a good spot.

1629
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 2: That's what I thought it was.

1630
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 3: They're gonna be.

1631
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 2: Good if the Bears wanted. If there was something the

1632
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 2: Bears wanted at thirty three, I mean you could go

1633
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 2: down to thirty nine or forty one.

1634
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 4: Cowboys really want to receiver, it could go back to forty.

1635
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 4: Fourah come up for a Luther Burden. Yeah, I mean

1636
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 4: you could, and I think I think you could still

1637
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 4: get one of those running backs at forty four or

1638
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:53,759
Speaker 4: thirty six.

1639
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm with you, so potentially that could

1640
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 2: be the thinking tonight.

1641
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 5: All right.

1642
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,240
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1660
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01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 6: in west Lake, Ohio. Fans, you know, home buyers, people.

1665
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1666
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1667
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Speaker 6: with my former teammates, one of my favorite teammates, Josh

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1669
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1670
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1671
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Speaker 2: Walk by very good one.

1672
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 4: All right, When you as a guard and an elite

1673
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 4: guard in your own right, when you see the Browns

1674
01:19:56,240 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 4: drafted guy like Mason Graham, what is what does he

1675
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 4: bring to the table and and how is he going

1676
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 4: to help this defense and this team be better? Because

1677
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,080
Speaker 4: I think when you're drafted fifth overall, there are rightfully

1678
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 4: so very lofty expectations for a not just an immediate impact,

1679
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 4: but an immediate major impact.

1680
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, a great question. And you know, playing on

1681
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 6: the interior for as long as I did, talented pass

1682
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 6: rushers and run stoppers and athletic guys in the middle

1683
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 6: there that can, you know, not only eat up double

1684
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 6: teams and prevent interior offensive lineman from getting to the

1685
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 6: second level, but are also effective pass rushers. That makes

1686
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 6: life a living hell guys for interior offensive linemen. So

1687
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 6: coupling Mason with a guy, a generational player like Miles

1688
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 6: Garrett and getting a push in the middle of that pocket,

1689
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 6: I think that's key. If we're able to generate push

1690
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 6: in the middle of the pocket and quarterbacks all of

1691
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 6: a sudden have pressure in their face and then their lap,

1692
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 6: that's going to only cause a feeding frenzy for the

1693
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 6: guys rushing the corners on the edge. So I think,

1694
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 6: you know, yeah, you know, you like to get that

1695
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 6: pressure on the edge. But if if a quarterback has

1696
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,719
Speaker 6: has not only the guys in front of him blocking

1697
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 6: in his in his lap and in his face all day,

1698
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:14,200
Speaker 6: but opposing defenders hands hitting him and affecting the throws,

1699
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 6: it's gonna be great. And that's it's only going to

1700
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 6: help the second and third levels behind him. So I

1701
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 6: was excited about to pick Uh. And you know, you

1702
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 6: have you have two young guys in the middle there

1703
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 6: with Michael Junior Uh and obviously Mason. So I'm excited

1704
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 6: about the future of this defensive line.

1705
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 4: When you we hear about everybody talking about him that

1706
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 4: kind of you know, he was the best player on

1707
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 4: the best defense in the college football when they won

1708
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 4: the title.

1709
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 3: He was the reason.

1710
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 4: Really that was a big factor why they beat Ohio

1711
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 4: State this year went on to win the national title.

1712
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 4: We keep hearing about his wrestling background and that he's

1713
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:53,200
Speaker 4: a leverage monster. What what does that mean in practical

1714
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 4: terms when we're watching the game? What what how does

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01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 4: that translate into what we hope and expect to see.

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01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,799
Speaker 6: It's the fight within the fight guys and in the trenches.

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01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 6: I mean, look, if you look at it, the best

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01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 6: teams in football, they build from the inside out the

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01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 6: top down. And you know, you look at Philadelphia last

1720
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:14,919
Speaker 6: year and they had great fronts, both on offense and defense.

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01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 6: And you know, getting back to your leverage question, if

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01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 6: you can play low to the ground and you play

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Speaker 6: s thirty and I mentioned taking on those double teams

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01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:26,559
Speaker 6: and if you could eat up multiple blockers, and you know,

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01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 6: the Browns have athletic linebackers. They can run and make

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01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,640
Speaker 6: plays in space. So if they are eating up blockers

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01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 6: from the first level, it's only going to free those

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01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,440
Speaker 6: guys up to make more tackles behind a line of scrimmage,

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01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,600
Speaker 6: tackles for loss, and make big plays. So I like

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01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 6: it that leverage battle upfront because we're trying to get

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01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 6: those guys moving and displace them off the line of scrimmage.

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01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 6: But if they're eating up blockers and making athletic plays

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01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:54,520
Speaker 6: and using their leverage and bending and disrupting in the backfield,

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01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 6: but you know, that's really how defensive lines eat. And

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Speaker 6: you know, I like what I saw. Obviously, I live

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01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,679
Speaker 6: down at Columbus BO listen to your show. I don't

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01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 6: know if I'm you know, allowed to do that.

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Speaker 2: Plug you are, Yeah, yeah, come on anytime you want.

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01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 2: By the way, I didn't you know any point. We'd

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Speaker 2: love to have y'all.

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Speaker 6: Yes, but yeah, you know, watching watching Michigan and being

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01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 6: around Ohio State and and you know, really being more uh,

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01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 6: I guess aware of Big ten football now that I

1744
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 6: live in Columbus you know, seeing guys like that disruptors,

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01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 6: it makes a big difference and they can ruin games.

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01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 6: And that's I think was the Browns mindset. They said,

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01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 6: let's get a disruptor in the middle of the defense

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01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,560
Speaker 6: where we are just wreaking havoc on opposing quarterbacks and

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Speaker 6: offensive lines.

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Speaker 2: John you mentioned, I've heard other people do this too,

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01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,919
Speaker 2: and it makes sense because Andrew was was with Howie

1752
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 2: and Philly and the Philly model and all of that. Well,

1753
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 2: here's the other thing though. With Philly, they have Jalen Hurts,

1754
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 2: they have a J. Brown, they have DeVonta Smith, and

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01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:54,439
Speaker 2: they have Saquon Barkley. So if our if our lines

1756
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 2: of scrimmage and build it from that way are there

1757
01:23:56,479 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 2: now these next picks today need to be at tempts,

1758
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 2: at swings, at those weapons. Do we got to score it?

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01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 6: A little? Of course? Of course. That that is I mean, anybody,

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01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 6: everybody that I've talked to today, they said, what are

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01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 6: we doing with these next four picks? And the the

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01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 6: consensus is running back, receiver, maybe offensive line and you know,

1763
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,679
Speaker 6: linebacker I've heard, uh, but but playmakers. I mean, let's

1764
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 6: be let's be honest that that's what everybody knows that

1765
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 6: this team needs UH to make an immediate impact. And

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01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 6: you're right.

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Speaker 5: I mean you.

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01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:34,640
Speaker 6: Mentioned those guys with Philly. It's almost like, you know,

1769
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 6: how the hell are they able to put that together?

1770
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 6: And it's it's great front office work and homework behind

1771
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 6: the scenes. So that's what we're trying to get to.

1772
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 6: And I think, you know, I use the term it's

1773
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:48,719
Speaker 6: like they did, they did such a great thing last

1774
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 6: night and acquiring more picks, and I know people want

1775
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 6: immediate gratification, but almost there's times where you do something

1776
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:58,599
Speaker 6: that's not as sexy, but it makes more sense down

1777
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 6: the road and it's going to make your team better.

1778
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 6: That way, you can go out and get the big

1779
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 6: splash receiver, playmaker or one of the two Buckeye running backs.

1780
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,919
Speaker 6: And there's so many good playmakers and good options here

1781
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 6: kind of in the in the you know, meat of

1782
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 6: this draft, in the in the early second, mid late

1783
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 6: second round, in the third where you're gonna get quality

1784
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,600
Speaker 6: guys and let's be honest, thirty picks, thirty three and

1785
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 6: thirty six guys, those are glorified first rounders. Whether you

1786
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 6: have somebody that is a first round talent that maybe

1787
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 6: slipped because of an injury or a worry that somebody

1788
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 6: saw on tape. God knows when, but you know that's

1789
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 6: what you get. You get first first round quality. This

1790
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 6: slips for one reason or another, and to make your

1791
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 6: team better.

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01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 2: You're the best, buddy. Still a little time to come

1793
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 2: see you out at the crib, and I know that

1794
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 2: the folks will be running out there to do so.

1795
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 2: Appreciate you hopping on with us today.

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01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 6: Pal, guys, thank you, good to talk to you.

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01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 2: All right, there you goes former Brown John Greco, joining

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01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 2: the program on the twist Y Hotline presented by Twisty

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Speaker 2: doing so from the crib fifteen sixty Queen's Queen Anne's

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, yeah, I don't know if you saw this yesterday,

1803
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 4: but Derek Harmon, who was drafted by the Steelers Oregon

1804
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 4: from Oregon, went right after it was announced that he

1805
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 4: was drafted. His mom's been on life support and went

1806
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 4: and told his mom that he was drafted, and then

1807
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 4: she has passed away, which is so sad but kind

1808
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 4: of an incredible shot of human perseverance that she was

1809
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 4: able to hear theake it and get to hear.

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01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 3: That, and man, what a powerful story that is.

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01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 2: That's sad story. Yeah, very very sad.

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01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 3: Thoughts, certainly to Derek Harmon and his family.

1813
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you knew that was kind of part of

1814
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,840
Speaker 2: the lead up to him and wanting to get to

1815
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:50,719
Speaker 2: that point one of the things from a very different perspective.

1816
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 2: But you know, we talk so much about how we've

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01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 2: never been smarter when it comes to identifying talent. Talent

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01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:02,919
Speaker 2: that's then talent that starts out being recruited than drafted,

1819
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 2: with the exception of receiver in quarterback, I'm sorry running

1820
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 2: back in quarterback where it's a little bit tougher. But

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01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 2: I would say this, this is a pretty interesting stat

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01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 2: last night, of the thirty two first round picks, thirty

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01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 2: twenty six of them were four or five star high

1824
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:24,600
Speaker 2: school athletes. Okay, so we are now two of the

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01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 2: six who weren't are cam Ward Nashton genty So two

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01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 2: of the six who weren't are those two.

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01:27:31,320 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 3: Graham was a four star.

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01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 2: But twenty six of the thirty two were four and five.

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01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 2: I mean, you can identify him at sixteen. We identify

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01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 2: him and we get it right. We're better at it

1831
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 2: than we've ever been at understanding what talent is and

1832
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:46,720
Speaker 2: what it's not. Who does that?

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01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 3: Who?

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01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,080
Speaker 2: I mean, how many names you want?

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01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 3: Who is the so? Is it a group of peas people?

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01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 5: All of it? Dude?

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01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 2: When I first got into covering college football, it was

1838
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 2: it was. There was one guy who Lougan Bill was

1839
01:27:57,960 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 2: one of them. Tom Lougan Bill was one of them.

1840
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,560
Speaker 2: And the other guy, I'm blanking on his name. He

1841
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 2: was a guy from the South who loved Notre Dame

1842
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 2: was one of the There were like two guys who

1843
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 2: did it. Now there's fifty recruiting services Tom Lemming, Tom

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01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:13,680
Speaker 2: Lemming and Logan Bill. Those are the two guys who

1845
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 2: did Initially. Now there's one hundred recruiting services that do it.

1846
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:20,719
Speaker 2: Every college football team has a general manager that uses

1847
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:23,919
Speaker 2: those services, and those super services rely on those general managers.

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01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:28,920
Speaker 2: Like we know, there are no surprises anymore. That that's

1849
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 2: just in the at the top of the draft, there isn't.

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01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,720
Speaker 4: There's Mace and grim there he goes meeting is at

1851
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 4: the top of the heap, right there at the top

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01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 4: of the mountain.

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01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 2: Top of the food chain conversation right there outside the studio.

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Speaker 3: There you go, channel.

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01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 4: We can see we can hear a little bit better

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01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 4: in here than I ever recall us being able to.

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01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 2: Hear uh noted for some of the conversations we have,

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01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:57,439
Speaker 2: because potentially if we can, that would be reciprocal hearing. Yeah,

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01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 2: certainly this is new. This is new. Yeah, this is new.

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Speaker 2: So much more to come. Het'st at Cleveland Brouns Daily

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you this.

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Speaker 3: Tell me.

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01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 2: ESPN took a bunch of people in a convention room

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01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 2: at a hotel and turned it into a television spectacle

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01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,600
Speaker 2: and a live event spectacle. This is these are this

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01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 2: is a man announcing names and people walking across the screen.

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Speaker 2: It'll do fifteen million, I promise last night. Yeah, that's amazing. Diigers.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I agree he should be I said

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Speaker 2: somebody I think it was DP. He should go in

1875
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. He should. He should, There's no doubt.

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Speaker 3: Two things.

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Speaker 4: Number One On McAfee today, Goodell said that they're after

1878
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 4: watching this. He said, we need to shorten the draft

1879
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 4: to like seven round minutes of pick in the first round.

1880
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,640
Speaker 4: You get one two minute extension throughout the draft on

1881
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 4: your love at the time.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 4: Keep it rolling, sold to folks. I can't overstate it.

1884
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 4: Tonight is massive for the Cleveland Browns. You did what

1885
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 4: you did. You set yourself up next year, but you

1886
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 4: have got to hit on thirty three and thirty six.

1887
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 4: You've got to hit there. You've got to hit on

1888
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 4: sixty seven to ninety four. There need, I hope at

1889
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 4: least three weapons added to this football team tonight, and

1890
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 4: then we can kind of sit back and take more

1891
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 4: of a holistic approach and say, okay, five guys have

1892
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:30,799
Speaker 4: been added.

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Speaker 3: Here's where we're at.

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01:30:32,200 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 4: I think it's a very important night for Andrew Berry

1895
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 4: and company to get it right, to get weapons to

1896
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 4: help this team score the football.

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Speaker 2: We need starters and we need dudes, dudes, big time dudes. Tonight,

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01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 2: big big night for the Cleveland Browns tonight. Speaking of

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Speaker 2: that seven to twelve Browns draft show, Uh, Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 2: have left that to look forward to, which is nice.

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Speaker 2: The next level is coming up. Next thing to listen everybody,

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