WEBVTT - Minions

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<v Speaker 1>On the Bechdel Cast. The questions asked if movies have

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<v Speaker 1>women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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<v Speaker 1>or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zeph and

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<v Speaker 1>vest start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.

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<v Speaker 2>Bello below Minions. It's the Minions episode of the Bechtel Cast.

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<v Speaker 2>I could cry, I could cry.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, hi, Minion, Jamie, it's me Minyon.

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<v Speaker 2>Caitlin Bello, Caitlin Bello, Jamie God. I just love these

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<v Speaker 2>damn Minions. I'm in a great lude, I mean, Befel

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<v Speaker 2>Cast listeners, it is important for feminism that you go

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<v Speaker 2>see Dispicable with me for so to help facilitate that.

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<v Speaker 2>And to be clear, we are in no way sponsored

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<v Speaker 2>or affiliated with the Minions, and that is a source

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<v Speaker 2>of pain for both of us. But all of the

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<v Speaker 2>raw enthusiasm you're about to hear is uncompety for free,

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<v Speaker 2>simply because it's Minion seasoned baby. It's Britney bitch, It's

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<v Speaker 2>bitch's bitch. I have two millions in my lap.

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<v Speaker 3>I was with you when you got that. Tell the

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<v Speaker 3>listeners what we're looking at, Gane.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, sorry, I forgot that. We've been in an

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<v Speaker 2>audio medium for eight years. So I'm holding a little

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<v Speaker 2>Dracula Minion I forgot. I honestly forgot because we got

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<v Speaker 2>this around Caitlin and I went to Universal together as

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<v Speaker 2>we were wont to do around Halloween, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>Dracula Minion, gotta have it. Forgot that there is precedent

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<v Speaker 2>for Dracula Minion. As we'll discuss today, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>minion that's appeared. And then I also have just my

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin at hand all time. Although I did get some

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<v Speaker 2>new Minion merch, I'm kind of bummed. Honestly. Well, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get it. We have to say what the podcast this first,

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<v Speaker 2>but I have like that, I guess in Despable before

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<v Speaker 2>they're kind of like doing a spy thing. So I

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<v Speaker 2>have some spy minions.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>They changed professions every so often because you just want

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<v Speaker 2>to see them in different little outfits. It's that simple.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like Barbie in that way.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is.

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<v Speaker 3>The minions are Barbie.

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<v Speaker 2>The minions are Barbie. The Minions are this Summer's Barbie.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll go on a whole rant about why another

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<v Speaker 2>movie that we have no affiliation with, Inside Out too

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<v Speaker 2>don't see it. I'm sick of emotional intelligence being encouraged

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<v Speaker 2>when you could simply go watch Minions. I will not

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<v Speaker 2>be listening to a nuanced discussion on the topic. I

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<v Speaker 2>literally got into an argument with my therapist about it

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<v Speaker 2>the other day. Okay, yeah, because Minions didn't come up

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<v Speaker 2>at first. But she's like, I just saw Inside Out too,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you'd love it, which is also a way

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<v Speaker 2>of calling me unable to regulate my own feelings, which

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<v Speaker 2>is why I'm there. But she's like, you should see

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<v Speaker 2>Inside Out too, and I was like no, and she

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I think you'd like it. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go see Minions and whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's okay, well, Jamie, to add to your collection

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<v Speaker 3>mm hmm. And we will get to the Bechdel test boring.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, which this movie doesn't pass. Whatever, No it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll talk about it, but we have Minions business to

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<v Speaker 3>tend to. Yes, Okay, you may or may not remember this, Jamie,

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<v Speaker 3>but your birthday two years ago, I mean, of course

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<v Speaker 3>you remember it. Being at medieval times, yes, hashtag red

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<v Speaker 3>Night one the day you were given many gifts and

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<v Speaker 3>then you couldn't take them with you. I think because

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<v Speaker 3>you were going onward to another place you couldn't carry

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<v Speaker 3>them with you. Yes, I have been hanging on to this. Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually our friend Bryant has been hanging on to it forever.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I was like, give me that back so

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<v Speaker 3>that I can give it to Jamie on her upcoming birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>Here it is ready. Oh my god, it's a little

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<v Speaker 3>so fub bob. It's hand knit.

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<v Speaker 2>Where did you get it?

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<v Speaker 3>I got it in Edinburgh, Scotland. Ever heard of it?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>When I was there two years.

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<v Speaker 2>Two years ago. I'm so excited. I don't have a Bob.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, now you do.

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<v Speaker 2>I have so many Kevin's and no, Well, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>this is I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like that's somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>The Despicable Me. Well we should tell them what the

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<v Speaker 2>Bechtel Cousins. But the Despicable Me movies pound for pound

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<v Speaker 2>versus the Minions spinoff movies. It's minions every time. Give

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<v Speaker 2>the people what they want. I don't care about groos interpersonal.

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly I said this in my letterbox review of

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<v Speaker 2>this movie. If the girls were sent to boarding, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that he should send them to boarding school. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>get them out, get them divorce Kristen Wig like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't care about his personal life. Leave it at the door,

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<v Speaker 2>go to work, steal the moon, talk to the minions.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I want from grew.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, all right, there's so much jun pack already. The

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<v Speaker 3>Bechdel Test.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, you're Kaitli. My name is Jamie first.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The Bechdel Test is a medium metric that we

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<v Speaker 3>used simply as a jumping off point, created by queer

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<v Speaker 3>cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace Test. Many

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<v Speaker 3>versions of it, the one we use. Do two characters

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<v Speaker 3>of a marginalized gender have names? Do they speak to

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<v Speaker 3>each other? And is their conversation about something other than

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<v Speaker 3>a man or about minions? Because minions are boys, and

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<v Speaker 3>we like it when it's a substantial media conversation, and

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<v Speaker 3>it rarely happens to this day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's so frustrating that the creator of Minions, who

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<v Speaker 2>is I guess technically the person to at least be

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<v Speaker 2>able to canonically make that call, would not just let

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<v Speaker 2>the Minions be genderless icons as everyone had interpreted them

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<v Speaker 2>to be. But we'll get into that. Because I think

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<v Speaker 2>I have so many theories as to why he is

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<v Speaker 2>doing what he's doing. Pierre CoFe, this is your trial.

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<v Speaker 2>You're on trial.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, And before we go into our personal histories and

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<v Speaker 3>relationship with the Minions, listeners of the show might know

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<v Speaker 3>that any chance we get, we bring up the Minions,

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<v Speaker 3>not unlike every chance we get we bring up Titanic,

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<v Speaker 3>or every chance we get we bring up Shrek.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and much just like Shrek, it started as a

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<v Speaker 2>joke and then slowly became real when we were like,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a second, these movies are actually very funny and

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<v Speaker 2>be watchabule. And there's certain you know, cultural phenomenons that

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<v Speaker 2>it's easy to make fun of because you're like whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't get it, But the Minions, if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't get it, baby, you're the problem. Like, yeah, they're undeniable.

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<v Speaker 3>Jamie, what is your relationship with this franchise?

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<v Speaker 2>I love them? Okay, So my history with Minyas is

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<v Speaker 2>actually and I know for listeners who are Matreon subscribers

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<v Speaker 2>that listen to our Despicable Me episode two years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and so if you're interested in hearing us talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it more, you can go over to the Matreon Patreon

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<v Speaker 2>dot com slash back to past five dollars a month,

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<v Speaker 2>So this may be us rehashing something similar from two

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, so sorry for that. But I was a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a late comer to the Minions. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>to Spick on Me one in theaters in high school,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, wow, I really liked that. That

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<v Speaker 2>was a really sweet movie. And I love those little

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<v Speaker 2>guys because if there's anything I love in this world,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a little guy. I love a little guy so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I truly like when I heard Radio starts approving limited

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<v Speaker 2>series again, I do want to do an entire series

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<v Speaker 2>on the appeal of the little guy because little guys

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<v Speaker 2>are just incredible, and also like little guys in like

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<v Speaker 2>primary colors, yellow is a color for me, Minions, SpongeBob Woodstock,

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<v Speaker 2>like you could keep going with like just the very

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<v Speaker 2>visually appealing for children little guy and having them like

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<v Speaker 2>represent be represented there's because they're so vague looking, like

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<v Speaker 2>they're just tic TACs, like they could represent anything. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the best. But yeah, I saw the first Despicable TV

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, wow, that was fun, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I fell off and then I came back for this

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<v Speaker 2>movie for Minions, This movie came out in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>so at this point I'm an adult. I didn't see

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<v Speaker 2>it in theaters, but I just remember being like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the origin story for the Minions. I am actually interested

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<v Speaker 2>because I think the worst part and this sucks that

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<v Speaker 2>this is lining up with Despicable Me for the premise

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<v Speaker 2>of which I think is just rancid. I hope this

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<v Speaker 2>movie is good. It's also written by Mike White, which

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<v Speaker 2>is wild. Oh right, yeah, I think we broke that

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<v Speaker 2>news fairly early because because we care. But yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>people are the least interesting part of Despicable Me Expanded Universe.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, they're just gonna give me

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<v Speaker 2>only the parts I like, which is the Minions doing

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<v Speaker 2>looney tune shit, because I firmly believe the more I

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<v Speaker 2>watched Minions, because after this movie, I'm like, I'm in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in for all of it. I'll show up for

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<v Speaker 2>any of it. I saw Rise of Grew opening weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>and then my mom is a second grade teacher, so

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<v Speaker 2>it like, actually, I think it actually did help like

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<v Speaker 2>heal our relationship a little bit, where it had just

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<v Speaker 2>been a really really really long time since my mom

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<v Speaker 2>and I had a common interest hmmm, or just like

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<v Speaker 2>something that we could like text about that was like

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<v Speaker 2>easy and fun. And so when I went from being like,

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<v Speaker 2>minions are fun in an ironic sense and achieved nirvana

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<v Speaker 2>and was like, the Minions are actually really funny and

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Stewart and Bob, I think this movie makes a

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<v Speaker 2>strong case that has only increased in Rise of Grew

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<v Speaker 2>that they are like our Marx brothers, and like, I

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<v Speaker 2>know that that's verboten for some people to say, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's clearly who they're supposed to be, and they're really

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<v Speaker 2>good at it. They're like bugs, Bunny, They're Marx brothers,

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<v Speaker 2>They're like all of these like classic comedy, goofy slapstick boys.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah. Then it was really fun to like share

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<v Speaker 2>that with my mom because I was like, this will

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<v Speaker 2>help you connect with your seven year old students who

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<v Speaker 2>definitely watched these movies, and overnight she became a Minion's mom.

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<v Speaker 2>And it brought meself because there's like also whatever like

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<v Speaker 2>precedent for the ironic interest in this, and then also

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that I think it's like it has to

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<v Speaker 2>do with the fact that the minions are cute and

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<v Speaker 2>so generic looking it almost right. Oh, another little guy

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<v Speaker 2>who is yellow Tweetybird, another character that you see on

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of graphic te's with some sassy phrase. This

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<v Speaker 2>happens to all of the little guys. Snoopy is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the little guys that you just see, like Garfield

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<v Speaker 2>is a little guy. It's endless. People love to put

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<v Speaker 2>a sassy, sassy wine mom phrase next to a little guy.

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<v Speaker 2>And so my mom got into it, which only intensified

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<v Speaker 2>our mutual interest because we bonded over it. And now

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's just like it's for life. I love these

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<v Speaker 2>damn minions, and I think this movie is I would

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<v Speaker 2>say this movie is not as good as Rise of Grew,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's still I still enjoy it more than any

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<v Speaker 2>Despicable Me movie. I think it's really fun. I just

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<v Speaker 2>thought of another little guy winning the poop. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>all of these little guys, the little guys. Caitlin, what's

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<v Speaker 2>your history with le Mignons?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I'm gonna say some stuff that might be controversial.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna say some stuff that might be full on blasphemous.

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<v Speaker 3>I head until very recently, only ever seen Despicable Me. One.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay, That's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And Rise of Grew. So I saw both of those

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<v Speaker 3>movies in theaters. We were both in at Rise of Grew. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I saw it when I was in Amsterdam on the

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<v Speaker 3>same trip where I got Your Bob in Edinburgh.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I love to hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>But here's the thing, I was asleep for a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of it. I was very tired and I needed an

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<v Speaker 3>app so I did sleep through a large chunk of

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<v Speaker 3>Rise of Grew. But I saw it before I ever

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<v Speaker 3>saw Minions One, which I saw for the first time

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<v Speaker 3>on a plane coming back from a different trip to

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<v Speaker 3>Europe that I came back from like three weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>What a traveler, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so cultured. So I had never seen Minions One before,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't think I've seen any of the other

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<v Speaker 3>Despicable Me movies, so I'm not as immersed in the lore.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll be real and raw with you for a second. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because I do. I really appreciate your forthcomingness.

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<v Speaker 3>You're welcome, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Also think, honestly, a lot of people who are fans

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<v Speaker 2>of the Minions it's not like they've seen all five,

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<v Speaker 2>now six movies. I'll be honest with you, I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen Despicable Me three. I've just seen clips on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen Despicable Me one and two. I've seen Minions

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<v Speaker 2>one and two. I haven't seen Despicable Meat three because

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<v Speaker 2>I know that it's about like Groo finding his twin brother.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just always too much grew interpersonal problems, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I just like was not really in a rush to

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<v Speaker 2>see Despicable Me three. However, I have watched one clip

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<v Speaker 2>of minions from Despicable Me three easily weekly, like sometimes truly,

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<v Speaker 2>and this speaks to my own emotional intelligence. Like if

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<v Speaker 2>it's like late and I'm like tired and I'm like cranky,

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<v Speaker 2>my boyfriend will be like, let's watch the minions in

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<v Speaker 2>jail scene, and it will always put me in a

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<v Speaker 2>better mood. Because I'm a baby. I don't know what for.

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<v Speaker 2>But in Despicable Me three, the minions go to jail

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<v Speaker 2>and they immediately take over the jail and everyone is

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<v Speaker 2>so scared of though it's very Paddington two. Coded I

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna say, that's what happens in Paddington two, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but except no one learns a lesson. No one learns

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<v Speaker 2>about themselves, which is part of what I love about

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<v Speaker 2>the Minions. I feel like it is across children's media,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff is important. I think like it's

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<v Speaker 2>a really really positive thing that there are so many

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<v Speaker 2>successful children's franchises that are rooted and empathy and understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>Paddington definitely qualifies as one, you know, inside out to

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<v Speaker 2>a movie I refuse to watch would be another. I

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<v Speaker 2>think Pixar movies in general are generally encouraging empathy, but

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it is just as valid to have

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<v Speaker 2>children's entertainment that is bonking each other on the head repeatedly.

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel like when the Minions like debuted in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ten, they were soft launched in Despicable Me One, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>which you can listen to our Patreon episode about like

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<v Speaker 2>how the rules of the Minions have changed because in

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<v Speaker 2>Despicable Me One their employees that are paid money, right,

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<v Speaker 2>which this movie directly contradicts. For sure, whatever that the

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<v Speaker 2>canon problem. But I do feel like around twenty ten,

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<v Speaker 2>like where Pixar was at its life greatest success up

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<v Speaker 2>it just come out. It's like all of these really

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<v Speaker 2>emotionally complex children's movies, there was kind of this like

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<v Speaker 2>empty space for like what if something was just goofy

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<v Speaker 2>and like looney tunsy, and it felt like the Minions

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<v Speaker 2>just like rose to the occasion. And I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate that they haven't backed off of that, which is

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<v Speaker 2>again it's like the Despicable Meat like Grew always learns

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<v Speaker 2>a lesson. Yeah, the Minions they don't. They don't, and

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<v Speaker 2>I love that about them. They're so me for that.

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<v Speaker 2>They never improved, they never.

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<v Speaker 3>Learn I think that Shrek farted so that the Minions

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<v Speaker 3>could bunk themselves on the head.

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<v Speaker 2>It also just like I this is so good, Like

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<v Speaker 2>this sounds bad, this sounds antithetical to about this podcast

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<v Speaker 2>is I like Minions cartoon violence. I love it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it is so funny the fact that John Hamm

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<v Speaker 2>tries to hang Kevin. Yeah, in this movie, you're just

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<v Speaker 2>like and it's a PG movie and we're fine with it.

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<v Speaker 2>When I watched this song because at the time we're

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<v Speaker 2>recording this, this movie is streaming on Netflix. At the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning with like the rating, it just said like rudeness

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<v Speaker 2>was the content warning, Like CW, these guys are rude

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<v Speaker 2>little dudes. Well, here's the.

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<v Speaker 3>Other controversial, blasphemous thing I have to say, which is

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<v Speaker 3>that the movie Minions One I think is a bad movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the story is flimsy. I think it's Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying I don't love the Minions and that

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<v Speaker 3>I don't love the Minions in the movie, But as

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<v Speaker 3>far as the story goes, if I'm looking at it

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<v Speaker 3>through a screenwriting point of view, I think it is

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<v Speaker 3>legitimately bad and I think it's badly miscast. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know why Sandra Bullock is there. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 3>John Ham is there actually doing very good jobs. Why

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<v Speaker 3>is Michael Keaton in the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I always forget Michael Keaton's in the movie. Which can

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<v Speaker 2>we all at least agree that Jeffrey Rush was a

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<v Speaker 2>great choice.

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<v Speaker 3>He is a good choice for a narrator. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 3>that he's there.

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<v Speaker 2>He gave it his all. He kept saying the Minion

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<v Speaker 2>the million. He clearly had much like Bill Nyh. He

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<v Speaker 2>did Detective Pikachu for his like Grandchild, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Rush made a similar play here and and we're

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<v Speaker 2>better for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I agree, And then Pierre, he is doing a

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<v Speaker 3>great job as the Minions, and I do love the

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<v Speaker 3>Minions again, I like them in this movie any scene

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<v Speaker 3>that there are other characters in it. I'm not really

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<v Speaker 3>enjoying myself, I will say, but I love the Minions,

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<v Speaker 3>and I love Bob, little Bob.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you love He's just a baby.

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<v Speaker 3>He's just a little baby. And I normally don't like

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<v Speaker 3>babies or children, but I want to be Bob's mom,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's wild coming from me.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you love Bob.

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<v Speaker 3>I bought Well, here's my other little item. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>little Bob enamel pin that I bought from univers.

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<v Speaker 2>I recognize, I was like, I've almost bought that before

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<v Speaker 2>I recognize it. Gosh, I have to get back to

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<v Speaker 2>you Universal presently so I can get all this hot merch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I just renewed my past, so let's go anytime.

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<v Speaker 2>Me too, Okay, Yeah, I think it is if you're

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<v Speaker 2>not a fan of the Minions and you're watching this

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<v Speaker 2>movie for I mean, even if you're watching this movie

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<v Speaker 2>as a like a parent or a parent age who

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<v Speaker 2>like doesn't like the Minions, or like don't think the

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<v Speaker 2>Minions are funny, I understand why this movie doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of narrative cohesion. It honestly feels like a

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<v Speaker 2>series of shorts as opposed to a movie. It feels

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<v Speaker 2>like a bunch of Looney Tunes shorts in a row,

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<v Speaker 2>where it's like, yeah, before we get it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it'll take long to summarize the plot

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<v Speaker 2>of this movie anyways, but well that's what you think.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually distinctively complex. But like, the way that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>still able to like engage with the Dominions ironically is

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<v Speaker 2>like they're hugely a commercial product. Like you can tell

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot of what is fun about the Minions

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<v Speaker 2>is also so very calculated at best, devious at worst,

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<v Speaker 2>because these are like they're they're literally designed to be

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<v Speaker 2>global products. The language that they speak are an amalgamation

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<v Speaker 2>of the most popularly spoken languages in the world, so

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<v Speaker 2>that a kid from any country can watch this movie

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<v Speaker 2>and instantly connect with it and feel like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>know what that word is. I know what that word is,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's the way that Minnie is. Again, this will

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<v Speaker 2>be in my thesis limited series podcast on this topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they are designed to be globally appealing, but it works.

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<v Speaker 2>It works.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just saying this on a recent Matreon episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what episode it was, but I think

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<v Speaker 3>I'm fluent in minuonis. I don't think I could speak it,

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<v Speaker 3>but I can understand.

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<v Speaker 2>It reminds me of this is like just connected to

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<v Speaker 2>something that was imparted to me. But do you like

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<v Speaker 2>in the Series of Unfortunate Events series of the Three Orphans,

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<v Speaker 2>one is a baby who always says like what sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like gobbledygook, but then you're it's translated within the book

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<v Speaker 2>to be like she said this, which meant this, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's basically speaking mininie, where like when you grow up,

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, oh, that's a Japanese word that she said

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<v Speaker 2>that was like what you know? And so and the

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<v Speaker 2>minions just like take this two and eleven. It's really cool. Wait,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to look up the list of the most

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<v Speaker 2>prominently featured like Okay, English, Filipino, French, Hindi, Korean, Spanish

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<v Speaker 2>are all tied into minniese, and I feel like that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't even include sometimes where it's just like a made

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<v Speaker 2>up word, or.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like an English word that is just adjusted so

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<v Speaker 3>that it sounds kind of gibberishy, but it also sort

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<v Speaker 3>of sounds like English.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they say they also just say like below and POOPI,

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<v Speaker 2>which is just baby talk like, but I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>really funny. But they're also just like fascinating because it

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<v Speaker 2>does feel like they were like successfully made in a

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<v Speaker 2>lab to be a glade appealing little cartoon Marx Brothers.

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<v Speaker 3>And this movie made at the box office one point

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<v Speaker 3>one five nine billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so off of a seventy four million dollar budget,

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<v Speaker 2>which is wild. And the other thing that's interesting about

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<v Speaker 2>the Minions, oh No, like is between Minions one and two,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you can sense a distinct cultural shift

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<v Speaker 2>because I think that the ultimately the goals of these

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<v Speaker 2>movies is to make money and to appeal to the

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<v Speaker 2>whitest audience possible. Obviously, the merchandising on the Minions to

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<v Speaker 2>huge numbers in no small part thanks to us.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean we're buying a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, But in like twenty fifteen, this movie comes out

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<v Speaker 2>and its interests are strictly in the West. The cities

0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:53.600
<v Speaker 2>we see heavily featured are New York, Orlando, and London.

0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Fast forward to twenty twenty two, A lot has changed

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<v Speaker 2>in the global economy, because the economy what this movie

0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.760
<v Speaker 2>is concerned by, and in Minions too. There is a

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<v Speaker 2>vested interest in the East and in China specifically, and

0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:12.400
<v Speaker 2>it's like I feel like you can weirdly trace the

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<v Speaker 2>like direction of the global economy to where the Minions

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<v Speaker 2>end up. It's very weird. Hmmm, yes, I swear to

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I sound like I'm wearing a tinfoil hat,

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<v Speaker 2>but I feel so sure that I'm right. No.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I didn't even remember exactly where, because they're in

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<v Speaker 3>San Francisco. Yeah, but there's a Michelle Yo character who's

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<v Speaker 3>teaching them kung fu.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a big Chinese New Year celebration that is

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<v Speaker 2>like the climax of and most of the merchandising for

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<v Speaker 2>that movie was drawn from the Chinese New Year imagery.

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<v Speaker 2>My key, well, I'll show you my keys are at

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<v Speaker 2>a Minions Chinese New Year. Oh yes, so it's just listeners,

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<v Speaker 2>feel free to tell me that I'm watching too many

0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:07.159
<v Speaker 2>Minions movies. It is true, but I do feel like

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<v Speaker 2>it's like because it is like these movies are such

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<v Speaker 2>a like cravenly commercial product. It's interesting to see like

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<v Speaker 2>what cultures they choose to represent in some years versus

0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:21.600
<v Speaker 2>other years based on how much money they think they

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<v Speaker 2>can make. So that's just minions commerce observation.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I love it. Should we do the.

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<v Speaker 2>Recap, Let's take a break and come back, because we've

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<v Speaker 2>already been talking about minions for a half hours.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we'll be right back, and we're back. We're back,

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<v Speaker 3>and here is the recap for Minions one from twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course it immediately gets complicated.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the movie opens and we see I would estimate

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<v Speaker 3>about three point five billion years worth of evolution of

0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:13.880
<v Speaker 3>the minions. They start as single celled organism minions. They

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<v Speaker 3>are following the biggest, baddest creatures in the primordial soup.

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<v Speaker 3>Then one day they emerge from the ocean, having evolved

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<v Speaker 3>into the modern minions that we recognize.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, the minions do subscribe to the evolution theory. This

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<v Speaker 2>is a godless world in which they live. Yes, which, again,

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:38.600
<v Speaker 2>like you're like, okay, minions. I feel like part of

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<v Speaker 2>this was in response to, like, there were so many

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<v Speaker 2>memes about the minions in the early years of Despicable Me,

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 2>where they would be like do they have skeletons? What

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:49.720
<v Speaker 2>do they look like with their goggles off? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>just like sort of a bunch of like sorry that

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<v Speaker 2>like really loud guys on YouTube being like what is this?

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<v Speaker 2>Like you know, and I feel like all of those

0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:02.919
<v Speaker 2>questions are answered in the opening statements of this movie.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, the menions, they they're darwinning, they're evolving.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, they also, as Pierre Kofun has said, they don't reproduce.

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<v Speaker 2>And ostensibly, from what I can gather, they don't reproduce,

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<v Speaker 2>which would make sense because it seems like they can't die.

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<v Speaker 3>They might be invincible. Yeah.

0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:27.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe there's some wild shit going on in

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<v Speaker 2>Despicable Me three. But of the four out of five

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<v Speaker 2>movies I've seen and I double checked this to be

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:38.879
<v Speaker 2>thorough for this episode, the closest you see to a

0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:42.240
<v Speaker 2>minion dying, which I guess maybe does make the cartoon

0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:44.720
<v Speaker 2>violence a little more palatable, as you're like led to

0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:49.240
<v Speaker 2>believe like they're bonked but they're never actually hurt. There

0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:51.880
<v Speaker 2>is a minion at one point that gets I think

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 2>it's Despicably b one who like ends up getting sucked

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:58.959
<v Speaker 2>into space. Oh but he's just like floating in space.

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:02.119
<v Speaker 2>They can't die, they're immortal, and they don't reproduce.

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<v Speaker 3>Jealous, I know, truly, so we get voiceover from Jeffrey Rush.

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<v Speaker 2>He's so good.

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:19.919
<v Speaker 3>The minions came this sure his Pirates of the Caribbean residuals,

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:22.959
<v Speaker 3>you know, diminishing returns, and he's like, I need a

0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 3>new living room or something, and so he did this movie.

0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:29.119
<v Speaker 2>I think it's like he wanted to impress his grandson.

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:32.159
<v Speaker 2>He wanted his grandson wasn't old enough to watch Pirates

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 2>of the Caribbean. He's like, all right, check this out.

0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 3>I can't say for sure, but anyway, he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Explaining, bru when you ruwen Bill Nye, he said, mew too,

0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:45.480
<v Speaker 2>mew two. It feels like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Hmm, yes, it does.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So Jeffrey Rush is explaining that the minion's goal is

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<v Speaker 3>to serve the most despicable master that they can find,

0:26:56.320 --> 0:27:01.720
<v Speaker 3>such as t Rex during dinosaur times, and then many

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:07.720
<v Speaker 3>millions of years later they start serving humans in caveman times,

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:11.160
<v Speaker 3>and then we see them in ancient Egypt. They serve

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:17.560
<v Speaker 3>Dracula for a while later Napoleon, but they always accidentally

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 3>kill their boss.

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Which also like would make you know, potentially we're recording

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 2>this before Despicable and me before it comes out. It

0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 2>would be awesome if they eventually kill Grew killed Grew.

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they can't die. So this whole opening sequence,

0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 2>it's Ben talks about to death in Midians culture. But yeah,

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:40.919
<v Speaker 2>the fact that like just the Minians were not just

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 2>present but critical in the development of life with the dinosaurs,

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:51.880
<v Speaker 2>with the caveman. Yes, they not just killed an ancient

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Egyptian pharaoh, they also built the pyramids. Yes, that killed

0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 2>said pharaoh. They are sometimes, i'mes, serving someone who is fictional,

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:08.200
<v Speaker 2>like Dracula. They're sometimes serving someone that people might argue

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.440
<v Speaker 2>or is too real, like Napoleon.

0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 3>Uh huh.

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 2>And what I think is really interesting that they do.

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.399
<v Speaker 2>And again it's like this is applying an adult brain

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:21.720
<v Speaker 2>to a kid's movie about little guys bunking each other

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 2>in the head. But I think like Napoleon already feels

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 2>like if they have to go to the most evil master,

0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Napoleon makes sense if you know anything about the Napoleonic Wars,

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 2>wild to imply what they might have done while working

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 2>for him. But it feels like this, like franchise in general,

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 2>just makes kind of like slap dashed. I mean, And

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 2>also pierreco Fan is French, so it feels like he's

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 2>fucking with French history in a way that feels a

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 2>little tongue in cheek. Yeah, but like the things that

0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 2>they I feel like sometimes the Minions movies will just

0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 2>decide like, well we're over that, We're not over this.

0:29:00.440 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Where in this they're like, well, the Napoleonic Wars were

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 2>so long ago, people won't care if the Minions were there.

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 2>But there's a very deliberate decision for the one hundred

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 2>and fifty years before the movie starts, that the Minions

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:16.400
<v Speaker 2>are out of play for any human atrocities that happened

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:20.840
<v Speaker 2>between the Civil War, the Minions were not there and onwards,

0:29:20.880 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 2>like basically anything from the last century and a half

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 2>or so, the Minions were out of play. I think

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 2>that that's a really smart move. I know people have

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 2>made fun of it a lot, but it's like, if

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.400
<v Speaker 2>these are canonically who we've said the Minions are technically

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:35.479
<v Speaker 2>when they were introduced in twenty ten, they were asside

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 2>characters no one really like you could guess, but like

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:40.240
<v Speaker 2>no one would have guess they would have become a

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 2>global phenomenon, and now they have their own movie. I

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 2>think it's very smart to put them in a cave

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>for two hundred years.

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 3>Right, what's the movie going to do? Be like?

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 3>And then they worked for Hitler.

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 2>No, right, they fought for the Confederacy, Like, no, no,

0:29:56.400 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 2>because we want to love the minions, we do, should

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 2>not have worked for Napoleon. But they learned their lesson

0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:05.840
<v Speaker 2>and they migrated to the North Pole or wherever the

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 2>fuck they went.

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:11.040
<v Speaker 3>Right, they go into seclusion in this ice cave. But

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 3>after a while in the cave, they're growing restless and

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 3>depressed about not having an evil boss to serve until

0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 3>one day and men, you named Kevin Kevin le Mignon,

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 3>to be exact.

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 2>I love how this is like Kevin's movie the way

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:32.080
<v Speaker 2>that Like the movie is called mad Max, but it's

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 2>about Furio. So the movie is called Manias, but it's

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 2>about Kevin. So wait, Bob is we I guess we did?

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Haven't benished with it? Bob is your favorite?

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Bob is my favorite? Yes, you're a Kevin head.

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 2>I love Kevin. I just love Kevin. He's tall, and

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:48.720
<v Speaker 2>he has leadership qualities. I loved him.

0:30:49.320 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love Bob because he likes animals and he

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 3>carries a little teddy bear.

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Around and he's adorable.

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:00.200
<v Speaker 3>He's the cutest and sweetest.

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Bob is an mpath I love when he meets Pucci.

0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 2>My mom does this thing called Minion Mondays in her

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 2>second grade class room where you get some sort of

0:31:13.480 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 2>like if you wear yellow or blue on a Monday,

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 2>if you're just like Minion cosplaying on a Monday, she'll

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>give you like a treat or something. But on every

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Minion Monday, my mom will be like asking the kids, like, Okay,

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:32.840
<v Speaker 2>who's my favorite Minion and everyone will say Bob, And

0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:35.760
<v Speaker 2>then my mom will be like, and who does Jamie

0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 2>want to marry? And then they'll all go Kevin. Because

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 2>I said that to them, Oh, I know it impacted.

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize what an impact it would be to

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:48.760
<v Speaker 2>say that I wanted to marry Kevin the Minion. But

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 2>I do feel like he has the qualities outside of

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 2>being like a proven war criminal, apparently like he has

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 2>many of the qualities I'm looking for, like having leadership

0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 2>qualities and giving you a little kiss.

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 3>All he is nerd. He wipes the crud off of

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 3>Bob's face.

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:11.479
<v Speaker 2>And then when he's all big spoiler alert, he kisses

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 2>all his friends.

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 3>It's really nice the Minions. They care about each other.

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 2>They love each other, and I love that they all

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 2>have like fuck boy names, like all that is like

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 2>a feature of the Minions. It's like Kevin, Bob, Stewart, Chris,

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 2>like like random guys mel Yeah.

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So one day Kevin declares that he's going to

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 3>go back out into the world to find the baddest

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:41.480
<v Speaker 3>boss around.

0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, He's like elected himself as Luke Skywalker. He's like,

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 2>I just realize I am the protagonist. So here I go.

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:54.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm the chosen one. He recruits some help, some minions

0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:58.400
<v Speaker 3>within minions when you think about it, Okay, layers like

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 3>onions have layers, ogres have layers. Blah blah blah. The

0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:06.840
<v Speaker 3>help the minions are Stuart and Bob.

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Sure, it's a bit of a rock star. He's got

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 2>a bit of an ego on him. He's a little horny.

0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 2>He tries to have sex with not one, but three

0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:16.040
<v Speaker 2>fire Hydrants.

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, he's trying to initiate a threesome at one

0:33:19.040 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 3>point with two fire Hydrants. I love it, and that's

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 3>pretty cool. Yeah, I think that's really forward thinking. Yeah,

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 3>polyamorous king Stuart. Okay, so the three of them, Kevin

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 3>Stewart and Bob set off, eventually making their way to

0:33:36.720 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 3>New York City. Ever heard of it? The year is

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:41.720
<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty eight.

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 2>And boy will they do. We were joking about this

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 2>in our recently recorded Madam Web episode about how that movie,

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 2>at some point in production was decided to be in

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.640
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and three, and they really bonk you over

0:33:55.680 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 2>the head with like remember this, and it doesn't bother me.

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 2>The minions do it because they do it so much

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 2>that it starts to be parody. Like how expensive was

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 2>this soundtrack? It was every single song, the Dad's like

0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 2>the Beatles, the everything was in this movie.

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah. So they are in New York and they

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 3>learn about something called Villain con a convention in Orlando, Florida,

0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:30.239
<v Speaker 3>where villains gather from all over and this year it

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:35.920
<v Speaker 3>will feature a special appearance by Scarlet Overkill, the world's

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 3>first female super villain. Okay, feminism alert, we wo we woo.

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're joking, but I feel like Scarlet Overkill. We've

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:51.760
<v Speaker 2>talked about this of like how the girl boss phrase

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:56.720
<v Speaker 2>is so liberally given out and I feel like sometimes

0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:00.560
<v Speaker 2>it's just like a term that's WEAPONI is to be

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.280
<v Speaker 2>like a woman I don't like who has more power

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 2>than me is like labeled as a girl boss when

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 2>the definition of a girl boss is a woman who

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:15.880
<v Speaker 2>uses feminist language to accrue conventional patriarchal power, and that

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 2>is Miss Scarlett Overkill to the hilt. She is a

0:35:20.239 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 2>girl boss.

0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:26.879
<v Speaker 3>And the minions are enthralled by Scarlet and they want

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:31.000
<v Speaker 3>to work for her, so they hitchhike two Orlando with

0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:34.359
<v Speaker 3>a family who turns out to be bank robbers who

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 3>are also headed to villan Con.

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:38.919
<v Speaker 2>Another weird page, like we didn't need that, that could

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:40.200
<v Speaker 2>have been anyone, right.

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 3>The mom and dad of this family are voiced by

0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:44.959
<v Speaker 3>Michael Keaton and Alison Janny.

0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Which I genuinely didn't even know until this viewing. Oh really,

0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:50.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Yeah, I didn't clock their voice and then

0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 2>when you know, you know, but that kind of bummsy out.

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:56.680
<v Speaker 2>I feel like the art of voice acting is a

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:58.759
<v Speaker 2>very specific one and it's just sort of been like

0:35:58.880 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 2>motover by, like celebrity stunt casting in since like Lindsay

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Ellis has a good video about it, since like Aladdin,

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:06.840
<v Speaker 2>so like the last thirty years.

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:09.479
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's why I don't like John hamm in the role.

0:36:09.560 --> 0:36:11.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't like Sandra Bullock in the role. I like

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 3>them as actors in general, but like they're not as

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 3>strong a voice actors as actual voice actors.

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, every time I watch this movie, I think that

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:25.720
<v Speaker 2>it's Jason Manzukus and not John Ham. Does that connect

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:27.880
<v Speaker 2>it all? Every single time I've watched this movie, I

0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:30.160
<v Speaker 2>was like, wait, and then I remember it's John Ham,

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:32.720
<v Speaker 2>but it feels like it's John Ham doing a Jason

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 2>man Zukus. I mean, I'm a huge Jason Manzukus fan.

0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:37.239
<v Speaker 2>I think he would actually be a great choice for

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 2>that character because it just sounds like him anyways, right, No,

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:45.280
<v Speaker 2>I see that, Yeah, anyways, but yeah, the celebrity stunt casting.

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 2>It's like, this movie has a fairly low budget for

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:49.440
<v Speaker 2>what it is, but it could have been even lower

0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:52.560
<v Speaker 2>by just not doing that. I don't know, right, I

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:54.400
<v Speaker 2>feel like no one is more likely to see this

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:57.840
<v Speaker 2>movie because Michael Keaton plays a bit part, Like it

0:36:57.920 --> 0:36:58.800
<v Speaker 2>just doesn't make sense.

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:02.000
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't know why they do that, but anyway,

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.840
<v Speaker 3>the family that they're hitching a ride with robs a

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 3>bank and the minions help them get away by basically

0:37:09.600 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 3>killing a bunch of cops. So the minions say, acab.

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:16.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but if they're working for the most evil people,

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:19.320
<v Speaker 2>but they do kill. Like another thing about this, he was,

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:23.759
<v Speaker 2>I've always sort of like paused by, is how obviously

0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 2>dead those cops are. It's like that car crash is

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:30.600
<v Speaker 2>so bad.

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 3>They kill them.

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 2>They killed cops, Yes, and you know, God bless love

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:34.920
<v Speaker 2>you guys.

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:40.840
<v Speaker 3>Yep. So then Kevin, Stewart and Bob arrive at villain

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 3>con and watch this like presentation thing from Scarlet Overkill

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:49.840
<v Speaker 3>voiced by Sandra Bullock where she says she's looking for

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:54.320
<v Speaker 3>new henchmen and whoever can steal the ruby she's holding

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:58.040
<v Speaker 3>gets the job. So a bunch of kind of wannabe

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:03.120
<v Speaker 3>villains try and the ruby, including Kevin, Bob, and Stewart.

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 2>And also there's like a meaningless plot point added here

0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:12.480
<v Speaker 2>that like Kevin has a crush on Scarlet Overkill, right,

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:17.200
<v Speaker 2>But I was like, because they canonically don't experience desire,

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.840
<v Speaker 2>that it was just like he wanted her validation or something.

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:22.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, that's my husband.

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:25.920
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't tell if it was like a romantic crush

0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 3>or if he was just enamored by the idea of

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 3>working for her, because she's presented as being like the

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 3>awesomest super villain at the time.

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Right of her acceptance. I'm gonna go with that because

0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:40.960
<v Speaker 2>that's literally my boyfriend. He's taken.

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 3>Well, do minions are asexual canonically they don't reproduce.

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, they're canonically a sexual. I mean even though we

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 2>were not allowed to receive them as genderless icons, as

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 2>non binary icons, we can still accept them as asexual icons.

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:03.160
<v Speaker 3>Well, that doesn't explain why Stuart wants to have sex

0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 3>with those two fire hydrants.

0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 2>Then I think that Stuart is just kind of the

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:13.359
<v Speaker 2>watch be like totally deflect. I think Stuart's just kind

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:14.799
<v Speaker 2>of like doing his own thing.

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay, sure, let's go with that.

0:39:17.520 --> 0:39:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 3>In any case, so these villains are trying to pass

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.720
<v Speaker 3>this test from Scarlett Overkill, including Kevin, Bob and Stewart,

0:39:25.760 --> 0:39:28.840
<v Speaker 3>who end up being the ones to take the ruby

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 3>from her, and Scarlet is impressed. She hires them and

0:39:33.520 --> 0:39:37.759
<v Speaker 3>then she takes them to London, England ever heard of that?

0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.320
<v Speaker 3>And the reason she goes there is because Scarlett wants

0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Queen Elizabeth's crown. And if you're wondering, are we gonna

0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 3>meet Queen Elizabeth in nineteen sixty eight. Yes we do.

0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, another canonical girl boss.

0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 3>And also we're like, okay, if the Minions work for

0:39:56.200 --> 0:40:00.320
<v Speaker 3>the most despicable person around, yes, would that not the

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:01.800
<v Speaker 3>Royal family of England?

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.239
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know in any year the rules are

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:09.000
<v Speaker 2>unclear and we're not given a list of Scarlett's crimes.

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I know. It's like it really does feel like evil

0:40:11.200 --> 0:40:15.840
<v Speaker 2>is like just sort of applied to like general vibes

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:22.040
<v Speaker 2>and aesthetics versus actual things done. But whatever, probably better

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 2>for the kids, right I don't think the kids need

0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:26.400
<v Speaker 2>the details.

0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I don't know. I think kids should learn

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:35.680
<v Speaker 3>about the atrocities of imperialism and colonialism of the world

0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 3>early on. But that's just me, I agree, But not

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:39.879
<v Speaker 3>an Amnions movie.

0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Not an Aminions movie, right, Like, it's like we'll kick

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:46.600
<v Speaker 2>that to Pixar and see how they do. But I

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 2>do feel like there is value in escapist media, and

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 2>that's Minions. I just like, if you're going to do

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Minions to learn, you got to get a library card,

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:02.520
<v Speaker 2>like grow up up, right, kids?

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:08.680
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So Scarlett wants Queen Elizabeth's crown because it's established

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:13.759
<v Speaker 3>that she has some possible unresolved childhood trauma, and she

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:16.560
<v Speaker 3>wants to be a princess so that everyone will love her.

0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she.

0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 3>Wants the minions to steal the crown for her. We

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 3>meet her husband, Herb, played by John Hamm. He gives

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 3>Kevin Stewart and Bob some gear and some weapons, and

0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 3>then they head to the Tower of London, where the

0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 3>Queen's crown is kept. They use Herb's devices to try

0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:44.360
<v Speaker 3>to steal the crown, but then it gets delivered to

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Queen Elizabeth voiced by Jennifer Saunders of Shrek to Fame.

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:52.359
<v Speaker 2>No way, wait, I didn't know this.

0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:54.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she plays the fairy Godmother.

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Whoa. Yeah, this isn't even a dream Works thing. It's

0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:00.800
<v Speaker 2>just a quizidence. That's nice.

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:04.600
<v Speaker 3>It's that universal umbrella, I guess.

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Wow, I love it.

0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:12.000
<v Speaker 3>So the minions are chasing Queen Elizabeth. They're flopping all

0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:16.080
<v Speaker 3>over London. There's a lot of you know, minions slapstick happening.

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:19.280
<v Speaker 2>They get stomped on by the Beatles like it truly

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 2>is like all of these micro and I also feel like,

0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:25.319
<v Speaker 2>while this movie is such a global product, it also

0:42:25.560 --> 0:42:30.839
<v Speaker 2>feels weirdly personal to the like people at the top

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:34.279
<v Speaker 2>of illumination who grew up in the sixties and seventies,

0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:37.600
<v Speaker 2>and that's why these Minions movies take place when the

0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:40.120
<v Speaker 2>creators of this product happen to be growing up. Like

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 2>there is also a level of like old guy nostalgia

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 2>to like, what if we put the Beatles in here,

0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 2>what if we did this, what if we did this,

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:48.759
<v Speaker 2>where it just clearly feels like stuff that like Pierre Goa,

0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Balta, and Chris Mellon Johnny liked when they were kids,

0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 2>which is not a criticism, it's just like, yeah, it's

0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 2>like they're doing the nostalgia thing. It's like if I

0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 2>made a Minions movie and I should and was like,

0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:03.760
<v Speaker 2>and here's a Backstreet Boys you know whatever.

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:07.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I can't wait till we get that in I

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:10.800
<v Speaker 3>don't know, twenty thirty eight or sooner.

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, come on, give me some credit. Yeah, I mean.

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 2>And every Minions movie tends to advance by like a

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:19.920
<v Speaker 2>decade where they're in the sixties or in the seventies.

0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 2>The next movie, theoretically they'll be in the eighties. We'll see.

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 3>Wow, I'll wait till the end of the recap to

0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:30.239
<v Speaker 3>get there, but I have a timeline criticism, but I'll

0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:30.600
<v Speaker 3>save it.

0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:33.919
<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough, Okay. So the minions are.

0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:38.239
<v Speaker 3>Flopping all around town and some cops are chasing them,

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 3>so Bob pulls the legendary sword in the Stone out

0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:46.800
<v Speaker 3>of the Stone, I guess to like fight off the cops,

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:51.480
<v Speaker 3>but that makes him the rightful King of England. So

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:54.880
<v Speaker 3>Queen Elizabeth has to hand over her crown, which makes

0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 3>Scarlett Overkill upset because she wants to be royalty. She

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:03.840
<v Speaker 3>thinks the minions are betraying her and like claiming the

0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:05.120
<v Speaker 3>throne for themselves.

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:10.240
<v Speaker 2>The girl bosses have turned on the minions. It's bad,

0:44:10.360 --> 0:44:14.680
<v Speaker 2>it's bad, but we do get the amazing. According to

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:17.920
<v Speaker 2>second graders, because I've watched it with him, there's nothing

0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:21.200
<v Speaker 2>a seven year old loves more than the King Bob sequence.

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:22.880
<v Speaker 3>It's so good.

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:26.799
<v Speaker 2>Second Graders all love King Bob, especially because it's like,

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:31.040
<v Speaker 2>I think Bob is probably the most emotionally intelligent, like

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:35.799
<v Speaker 2>easy insert for kids, because it's like he's really excited

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 2>and then he gets the job of King of England

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden he's nervous and he

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:46.759
<v Speaker 2>just wants his friends, and it's really cute, I know,

0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:52.000
<v Speaker 2>and they also destroy Buckingham Palace like they're agents of chaos.

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:54.799
<v Speaker 2>I really don't think that if left in power, the

0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:58.640
<v Speaker 2>minions would colonized places. I think they would just jump

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:00.919
<v Speaker 2>on the bed and like eat.

0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 3>That's true, they would eat bananas.

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, because we're told they're bad, but they're bad in

0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:08.879
<v Speaker 2>a directionless way. If left to their own devices, they

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:10.239
<v Speaker 2>will just jump on the bed.

0:45:11.080 --> 0:45:15.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then they kill their bosses. So honestly they

0:45:15.160 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 3>should work for more evil people and then accidentally kill them.

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:20.880
<v Speaker 2>I think we actually have to. We should be thanking

0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:23.840
<v Speaker 2>them for killing so many bad people.

0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:31.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, anyways, we've also been periodically cutting to the

0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:34.880
<v Speaker 3>rest of the minions who are still in this arctic cave.

0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 3>Kevin had called them at one point to tell them

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:41.480
<v Speaker 3>that they have a new boss. So now all of

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:44.480
<v Speaker 3>the other minions are on their way to England to

0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 3>serve Scarlet overkill. Back in London, Scarlet storms in on

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 3>Bob Bean King. She's furious at the minions for betraying her,

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:02.080
<v Speaker 3>but Bob willingly hands over the crown and his royal

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:05.680
<v Speaker 3>position to Scarlet, even changing the laws to make that

0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:06.800
<v Speaker 3>legally possible.

0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 2>He's just a baby.

0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:11.640
<v Speaker 3>He's just a little baby. And now the minions think

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 3>they're going to serve Scarlet, not that she's queen, but

0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:20.400
<v Speaker 3>instead she locks them in a dungeon, and this is

0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:25.160
<v Speaker 3>when herb tries to torture them and tries to hang Kevin.

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Truly a shocking because they're like this setup is like, oh,

0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:33.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna get the minions with all these medieval torture devices,

0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 2>which feels very you know, like loo ne toun and see.

0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 2>And there's never a fear that the minions will actually

0:46:39.960 --> 0:46:41.880
<v Speaker 2>get hurt. It's nothing like that. But it's just like

0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the fact that they lead with I'm going to hang

0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:46.319
<v Speaker 2>the minions, which is something that like, I think they

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:48.799
<v Speaker 2>should have maybe started that sequence with something that no

0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:53.080
<v Speaker 2>longer exists. But the fact that they started with publicly

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:56.680
<v Speaker 2>hanging the minions, it was just wild. It was wild. Yeah,

0:46:56.760 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 2>and then Kevin goes whoop, he just falls through ough.

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:01.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, their little minion bodies.

0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:06.240
<v Speaker 2>I love them. I love them. They're so smooth, It's true.

0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:10.960
<v Speaker 3>Now they find a way to escape and they make

0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:14.799
<v Speaker 3>their way to Westminster Abbey, where Scarlet is getting ready

0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 3>for her coronation, because they want to apologize to her,

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:24.400
<v Speaker 3>but they accidentally almost kill her because again they're always

0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:29.359
<v Speaker 3>killing their bosses, by dropping a chandelier on her, and

0:47:30.040 --> 0:47:33.799
<v Speaker 3>Scarlet thinks that the minions did this intentionally, so she

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:38.400
<v Speaker 3>sends all of the other villains slash like Wanta be

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:43.800
<v Speaker 3>henchmen who were at villain con after the minions. Kevin,

0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 3>Stuart and Bob get separated from each other during this chase,

0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 3>and the bad guys capture Stuart and Bob.

0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:54.440
<v Speaker 2>What their plan is is so unclear where at some

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:58.759
<v Speaker 2>point this movie just becomes like Scarlett v. Kevin and

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:02.160
<v Speaker 2>you're just like, now, what did Kevin ever do to you?

0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:03.720
<v Speaker 3>And the answer is nothing.

0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:05.200
<v Speaker 2>All he ever did was love you.

0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:11.520
<v Speaker 3>But Scarlett threatens to kill Stuart and Bob if Kevin

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 3>doesn't come back by dawn. We cut back to Kevin.

0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 3>He sneaks into Herb's room of super villain devices and

0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:24.520
<v Speaker 3>he accidentally ends up in this machine that makes him huge,

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:29.080
<v Speaker 3>like the size of a ten story building, and he

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:32.960
<v Speaker 3>saves Stuart and Bob, who are about to be blown up,

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:37.319
<v Speaker 3>but Scarlett has this rocket dress that she's using to

0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:38.000
<v Speaker 3>attack them.

0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:41.680
<v Speaker 2>It's great, I mean, the Scarlet overkill looks are great

0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:42.840
<v Speaker 2>for me. I love it.

0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:46.919
<v Speaker 3>The other Minions, the ones who are in the cave,

0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:50.120
<v Speaker 3>they show up and she's trying to kill them too,

0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:55.040
<v Speaker 3>So Giant Kevin takes her rocket and he puts it

0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:58.040
<v Speaker 3>in his mouth, and then he grabs Scarlet and herb

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:00.360
<v Speaker 3>and it seems like they're all about to exp blowed,

0:49:00.880 --> 0:49:05.319
<v Speaker 3>but surprise, Kevin is alive and he's back to his

0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:08.680
<v Speaker 3>normal size. So we're not really sure how that happens.

0:49:08.719 --> 0:49:14.200
<v Speaker 2>But No, it's important to emphasize the global impact of

0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:19.160
<v Speaker 2>when Kevin got big. Yes, no one saw it coming,

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 2>and I feel like at some point with the Minions

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:25.399
<v Speaker 2>that they're also doing and despicable me for where they're

0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:30.319
<v Speaker 2>leading the marketing heavily with the Mega Minion Yes, which

0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:33.239
<v Speaker 2>I hope is not just an echo of We've had

0:49:33.280 --> 0:49:37.080
<v Speaker 2>evil Minions, We've had Mega Minions, We've had minions with

0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:42.240
<v Speaker 2>braces in the form of Auto in the Rise of Grow. Yeah,

0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Big Kevin was a watershed moment for Minions because you realize,

0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 2>like they're little guys, but that's not always going to

0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:55.920
<v Speaker 2>be true. The fact that they blew Kevin up like

0:49:56.200 --> 0:49:58.920
<v Speaker 2>just again like cartoon violence moments that I feel like

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:03.839
<v Speaker 2>rarely happened in contemporary movies where we talked about this

0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:07.160
<v Speaker 2>in some Pixar episode where like I expressed the frustration

0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:11.799
<v Speaker 2>of like it now feeling like there was a necessity

0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:16.120
<v Speaker 2>that a villain be redeemable or like defined by trauma,

0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:19.239
<v Speaker 2>or like that there would be some defense and that

0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:22.719
<v Speaker 2>like I understand the like I understand where that comes from,

0:50:22.760 --> 0:50:25.240
<v Speaker 2>but I just like don't find it very fun to watch,

0:50:26.400 --> 0:50:28.279
<v Speaker 2>to be like, at the end of Toy Story four,

0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:30.520
<v Speaker 2>if we forgive the villain and they were actually more

0:50:30.520 --> 0:50:34.000
<v Speaker 2>complicated than we realize, And then at the end of Minions,

0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Kevin blows up, like his whole body, he swallows a

0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:41.320
<v Speaker 2>rocket and he blows up, and then we are allowed

0:50:41.320 --> 0:50:43.759
<v Speaker 2>to believe if and it also like if I'm five

0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:46.360
<v Speaker 2>years old, I believe Kevin has died. Yeah, of course

0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:56.960
<v Speaker 2>the minions are humming taps, which is so funny because

0:50:57.040 --> 0:51:02.080
<v Speaker 2>also like theoretically this is the first minion to ever Yeah,

0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:04.360
<v Speaker 2>and then he's fine, Like I just I love that

0:51:04.440 --> 0:51:06.960
<v Speaker 2>sequence so much. It just it makes me happy that

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:10.000
<v Speaker 2>we have our own Looney Tunes where you're like, he's immortal.

0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Kevin never truly blew up, but it's also like whatever

0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:17.240
<v Speaker 2>narratively important that Bob believed he could have died.

0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:20.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean, we got to feel those steaks somehow.

0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:25.319
<v Speaker 2>And then he has Poochy. Kids also love Poochy the

0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:29.799
<v Speaker 2>little rat. Yes, Bob's rat friend. Yeah wow, what a

0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:33.000
<v Speaker 2>special movie. Yeah yeah. Then they get knighted and you're

0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:33.279
<v Speaker 2>like all.

0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:36.839
<v Speaker 3>Right, okay, yeah, So here's how it ends. There's this

0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:41.800
<v Speaker 3>big celebration where Queen Elizabeth, who has been reinstated as

0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:46.040
<v Speaker 3>the royal leader, commends Kevin, Stuart and Bob for their

0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:51.839
<v Speaker 3>heroism gives them gifts nights Kevin, but oh no, Scarlet

0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:55.840
<v Speaker 3>shows up again and steals the Queen's crown, but she

0:51:56.000 --> 0:52:00.400
<v Speaker 3>is immediately stopped via an ice gun that belongs to

0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:06.839
<v Speaker 3>a drum roll please Guru, and the Minions see him

0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:11.319
<v Speaker 3>and they're like, hubba, hubba, who's that? And that's how

0:52:11.360 --> 0:52:15.920
<v Speaker 3>they find their new boss the end. And here's my

0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:20.400
<v Speaker 3>timeline issue. Okay, So Minions one takes place in nineteen

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:22.919
<v Speaker 3>sixty eight. At the end of the movie, we see

0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:25.959
<v Speaker 3>grew for the first time. He appears to be ten

0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:31.680
<v Speaker 3>eleven years old. Minions two takes place in nineteen seventy six.

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:35.080
<v Speaker 3>That's eight years after the first movie, Grow says he's

0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:41.760
<v Speaker 3>almost twelve. So in eight years, Grew has aged nothing,

0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:44.440
<v Speaker 3>no amount of time. What's up with that?

0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:48.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't have answers. I have no answers. I guess

0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:52.160
<v Speaker 2>what I can say is that Grew is obviously built different,

0:52:52.680 --> 0:52:55.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, but in terms of an answer, that's about

0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:59.000
<v Speaker 2>as close as I can get. Okay, yeah, No, I

0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:01.640
<v Speaker 2>don't know. And I feel like Grew will be thirteen

0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:06.880
<v Speaker 2>in Minions three and it will inevitably be nineteen eighty seven.

0:53:07.760 --> 0:53:11.719
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. These movies are so vibes and

0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:14.319
<v Speaker 2>also like part of what I think, I just really

0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:16.400
<v Speaker 2>have a bone to pick with Grew, where he is

0:53:16.520 --> 0:53:18.960
<v Speaker 2>just like the like he is necessary. I feel like

0:53:18.960 --> 0:53:22.880
<v Speaker 2>this movie does prove he's necessary. You do need a

0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:28.360
<v Speaker 2>human character grounding all these little guys, and Scarlett Overkill

0:53:28.600 --> 0:53:32.600
<v Speaker 2>is comparatively random to have done. So, so I know

0:53:32.719 --> 0:53:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Grew's necessary, but it is kind of nice to have

0:53:35.520 --> 0:53:41.279
<v Speaker 2>one movie that it's like, oops, no groove. Yeah, but

0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Rise of Grew is a better movie.

0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:47.120
<v Speaker 3>I would agree with that it has a slightly more

0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:51.000
<v Speaker 3>cohesive story. Let's take a quick break and then we'll

0:53:51.040 --> 0:54:12.280
<v Speaker 3>come back to discuss.

0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:06.040
<v Speaker 2>And we're back here we are, Okay, where do you

0:54:06.080 --> 0:54:06.560
<v Speaker 2>want to start?

0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:12.480
<v Speaker 3>I would like to talk about the gender of the Minions.

0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, which will directly intersect with a critical interview in

0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:20.080
<v Speaker 2>Minion's Lore with Pierre Coffin.

0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:25.680
<v Speaker 3>Yes. So here's my thing with it, where Minions creator

0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:32.480
<v Speaker 3>Pierre has said explicitly that the minions are all male. They,

0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:36.200
<v Speaker 3>of course, are always voiced by actors who are men,

0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:41.280
<v Speaker 3>including Pierre Koffin himself. He told The Rap in twenty

0:54:41.320 --> 0:54:46.240
<v Speaker 3>fifteen regarding the gender of the Minions quote, seeing how

0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:50.320
<v Speaker 3>dumb and stupid they often are, I just couldn't imagine

0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:55.680
<v Speaker 3>minions being girls unquote. First of all, using ablest language

0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:58.280
<v Speaker 3>to characterize the minions not cool.

0:54:58.480 --> 0:55:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll give him the pass of like we were also

0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:04.720
<v Speaker 2>using those words in twenty fifteen. Be serious, fair for fair. Yeah.

0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Secondly, yes, the minions are silly and slapsticky and childish,

0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:15.120
<v Speaker 3>and they're usually not able to apply logic in many situations.

0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:19.319
<v Speaker 3>But girls can be that way too. People of any

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:23.439
<v Speaker 3>gender can be anything. And I'm sure Pierre meant this

0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:28.439
<v Speaker 3>as a compliment, but a very narrow view like this

0:55:28.760 --> 0:55:34.040
<v Speaker 3>perpetuates very rigid binary expectations. Of gender. And then I

0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:39.600
<v Speaker 3>was thinking about slapstick comedy as a medium or slapstick

0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:45.800
<v Speaker 3>humor in movies and entertainment, and yes, goofiness and physical

0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:50.319
<v Speaker 3>humor and slapstick has often been associated with men, and

0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:54.360
<v Speaker 3>especially white men. You've got your Charlie, Chaplin's, your Buster Keaton's,

0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:57.560
<v Speaker 3>the Marx Brothers, the Three Stooges.

0:55:57.400 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Right, which has everything to do with like who is

0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:01.800
<v Speaker 2>a low to be in movies at that time?

0:56:02.320 --> 0:56:07.880
<v Speaker 3>For sure, women have been figures of slapstick comedy throughout history.

0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:12.279
<v Speaker 3>I was researching a few examples from like early Hollywood,

0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:17.200
<v Speaker 3>such as Mabel normand Marion Davies, Mary Pickford. There's of

0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:21.799
<v Speaker 3>course more recent contemporary examples actors like Kristen Wigg and

0:56:21.920 --> 0:56:28.320
<v Speaker 3>Melissa McCarthy. So women are participants of physical comedy and

0:56:28.360 --> 0:56:32.080
<v Speaker 3>slapstick humor in entertainment, but it's just that they're often

0:56:32.120 --> 0:56:35.400
<v Speaker 3>not associated with it, and they never get the same

0:56:36.200 --> 0:56:40.880
<v Speaker 3>level of fame and recognition. And I think what Pierre

0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:44.640
<v Speaker 3>actually is saying when he says this quote is I

0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:47.560
<v Speaker 3>don't think women are funny or capable of physical humor.

0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I think you're being really mean. I disagree with you.

0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:55.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think that where he's pulling from is

0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:59.400
<v Speaker 2>like a clear mid twenty tens feminism of this sort

0:56:59.400 --> 0:57:03.080
<v Speaker 2>of Like well, to imply that a woman would be

0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:07.640
<v Speaker 2>incompetent would be sexist, right, Like, it just feels like

0:57:07.760 --> 0:57:10.200
<v Speaker 2>a ret conning of like a million. I would really

0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:13.279
<v Speaker 2>be curious what the minions were originally intended to be.

0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:15.279
<v Speaker 2>I think that no one was really thinking about it.

0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:19.240
<v Speaker 2>They've always been given traditionally male names. Yeah, what I

0:57:19.240 --> 0:57:20.920
<v Speaker 2>wish she had said, because what I feel like is

0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:23.200
<v Speaker 2>probably closer to the truth is like I really liked

0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:25.320
<v Speaker 2>the Marx Brothers, and I just wanted to make a

0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:28.840
<v Speaker 2>million Marx Brothers. I do think that like there is

0:57:29.160 --> 0:57:33.320
<v Speaker 2>some like gender discrimination built into that. I don't think

0:57:33.360 --> 0:57:36.400
<v Speaker 2>it is like super villain levels of because again, like

0:57:36.640 --> 0:57:39.720
<v Speaker 2>the language fair enough, but like this is ten years

0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:42.480
<v Speaker 2>ago and those words were not commonly considered to be

0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:47.000
<v Speaker 2>ablest at that time. But I think even in twenty fifteen,

0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:50.840
<v Speaker 2>the decision to say definitively that all of these characters

0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:54.360
<v Speaker 2>are men is bizarre because why not just say they're

0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:57.200
<v Speaker 2>whoever you want them to be? I know, because I

0:57:57.240 --> 0:57:59.840
<v Speaker 2>feel like in children's media, especially like I would also

0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I think it would be weird if he was like, no,

0:58:01.640 --> 0:58:05.200
<v Speaker 2>explicitly some are women, some are not. Like it's more

0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:10.040
<v Speaker 2>just like who cares. They're little guys. Guys, but in

0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:12.720
<v Speaker 2>the genderless sense, like they're little guys, they're whoever you

0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:14.480
<v Speaker 2>want them to be. If you think they're funny, then

0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:16.919
<v Speaker 2>you like them. I think it's interesting that he went

0:58:17.000 --> 0:58:19.760
<v Speaker 2>out of his way to declare them to be men.

0:58:19.840 --> 0:58:21.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it makes them a bad person. I

0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:26.040
<v Speaker 2>think it is an interesting choice given his background. And

0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:28.840
<v Speaker 2>this is a little bit speculative. He had a French

0:58:28.880 --> 0:58:32.560
<v Speaker 2>father and an Indonesian mother, and his mother was a

0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:38.360
<v Speaker 2>very prominent Indonesian feminist novelist of her generation. So Pierre

0:58:38.400 --> 0:58:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Cofet like, he's not just being like a d doi guy,

0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:47.240
<v Speaker 2>like he grew up around feminism and feminist ideas, and

0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:50.120
<v Speaker 2>so the fact that his most notorious creation he goes

0:58:50.200 --> 0:58:53.520
<v Speaker 2>out of his way to say is explicitly male coded.

0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:56.440
<v Speaker 2>I wonder what that is like. I wonder if it

0:58:56.520 --> 0:58:59.240
<v Speaker 2>is like some like generational, Like I don't want to

0:58:59.280 --> 0:59:03.520
<v Speaker 2>seem like I insulting women by implying that which I

0:59:03.600 --> 0:59:08.160
<v Speaker 2>agree is completely misguided, and like slapstick is for people,

0:59:08.320 --> 0:59:11.560
<v Speaker 2>people fall down like. But I do wonder if there

0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:17.000
<v Speaker 2>is some like gen X disconnect happening here where it's

0:59:17.080 --> 0:59:22.320
<v Speaker 2>clear that he definitely grew up around intense feminist ideas.

0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:25.520
<v Speaker 2>His mother, I don't know how to pronounce her name, honestly,

0:59:25.840 --> 0:59:29.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm not familiar with Indonesian culture, but her name, her

0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:32.600
<v Speaker 2>first name is spelled NH, her last name is Deni,

0:59:33.640 --> 0:59:37.160
<v Speaker 2>and she and his father they got married. His father

0:59:37.320 --> 0:59:42.960
<v Speaker 2>was a diplomat, and she became a prominent Indonesian feminist novelist.

0:59:44.080 --> 0:59:46.480
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. I mean, I don't feel comfortable

0:59:46.520 --> 0:59:51.160
<v Speaker 2>speculating why anything happened in any direction, because when Pierre

0:59:51.200 --> 0:59:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Koft gives interviews, he seems to have more of a

0:59:54.320 --> 0:59:58.440
<v Speaker 2>bone to pick with his father than his mother. So,

0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:00.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think it was the easier. It was

1:00:00.520 --> 1:00:03.600
<v Speaker 2>like he had an issue with his mother's feminist ideas

1:00:03.640 --> 1:00:07.320
<v Speaker 2>and wanted to repel. I don't think that that's actually

1:00:07.360 --> 1:00:09.120
<v Speaker 2>the case. It seems like he had a lot of

1:00:09.120 --> 1:00:12.760
<v Speaker 2>love for his mother. She passed in twenty eighteen, so

1:00:12.800 --> 1:00:14.960
<v Speaker 2>she also lived to see the minions. Both of his

1:00:15.040 --> 1:00:19.080
<v Speaker 2>parents did. What he says in a twenty fifteen interview

1:00:19.080 --> 1:00:24.520
<v Speaker 2>with a Guardian to promote this movie is that Minions

1:00:24.520 --> 1:00:29.680
<v Speaker 2>were not particularly inspired by his parents, because he found

1:00:29.680 --> 1:00:34.040
<v Speaker 2>his parents, as a serious novelist and a diplomat, to

1:00:34.160 --> 1:00:39.360
<v Speaker 2>not be very funny, and that he was interested in cartoons.

1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:41.840
<v Speaker 2>He was interested in humor, and it wasn't necessarily something

1:00:41.840 --> 1:00:46.680
<v Speaker 2>that was encouraged, so he says in this interview quote,

1:00:46.720 --> 1:00:49.280
<v Speaker 2>my dad said watching TV was too passive and didn't

1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:51.760
<v Speaker 2>make you think. So I found this other side. I

1:00:51.800 --> 1:00:54.200
<v Speaker 2>needed some sort of distractions, so I drew a lot,

1:00:54.320 --> 1:00:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I read a lot, and I listened to a lot

1:00:56.040 --> 1:00:59.000
<v Speaker 2>of music. But I never considered a career in the arts.

1:00:59.400 --> 1:01:01.640
<v Speaker 2>I was surrounded by people who were better than me,

1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:04.680
<v Speaker 2>but that gave me inspiration to find out how they

1:01:04.680 --> 1:01:08.280
<v Speaker 2>did it better. A diplomat isn't like a really funny guy,

1:01:08.560 --> 1:01:11.520
<v Speaker 2>and my mom's stories are biography is mostly about how

1:01:11.520 --> 1:01:14.280
<v Speaker 2>she used to live in Indonesia during the Dutch colonies,

1:01:14.600 --> 1:01:17.520
<v Speaker 2>so it wasn't really fun. I have no clue where

1:01:17.520 --> 1:01:20.360
<v Speaker 2>that humorous gene comes from, but France does have a

1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:24.080
<v Speaker 2>culture of cartoons. And then, speaking to his parents a

1:01:24.120 --> 1:01:27.160
<v Speaker 2>little later, he talks about how his kids inspire Minion's

1:01:27.240 --> 1:01:30.560
<v Speaker 2>jokes and whether they work or not. But in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>so a few years prior to his mother's death, he says, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>my mom had the life of an artist, so I'm

1:01:36.280 --> 1:01:38.439
<v Speaker 2>living her dream a little bit, and she's super proud

1:01:38.480 --> 1:01:41.480
<v Speaker 2>of me. But my father, who is nearly ninety, it's

1:01:41.520 --> 1:01:44.480
<v Speaker 2>fair to say he's not really embracing my success. This

1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:47.200
<v Speaker 2>is not serious for him. As soon as I started

1:01:47.240 --> 1:01:49.720
<v Speaker 2>saying I really want to make movies. I'm not going

1:01:49.760 --> 1:01:52.160
<v Speaker 2>to say he never helped me, but he never encouraged

1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:54.600
<v Speaker 2>me to do this. We're not getting along that well

1:01:54.680 --> 1:01:57.520
<v Speaker 2>because he's got that little resentment about him being wrong

1:01:57.600 --> 1:02:00.760
<v Speaker 2>and not admitting it. So it's very tricky. He always

1:02:00.760 --> 1:02:03.200
<v Speaker 2>has this idea of me working in show business, meaning

1:02:03.240 --> 1:02:05.800
<v Speaker 2>that I'm strange. He never wanted me to do this.

1:02:06.000 --> 1:02:08.600
<v Speaker 2>He never wanted me to have a serious job. And

1:02:08.640 --> 1:02:13.960
<v Speaker 2>that's how the interview ends. WHOA And So I do

1:02:14.080 --> 1:02:17.120
<v Speaker 2>think it's fascinating when like you have something like The Minions,

1:02:17.160 --> 1:02:20.400
<v Speaker 2>where this like cultural symbol at this point that work

1:02:20.680 --> 1:02:24.320
<v Speaker 2>invented as and he like talks about this in the interview,

1:02:24.400 --> 1:02:31.040
<v Speaker 2>how he wasn't thinking particularly hard about The Minions indspicable

1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:33.160
<v Speaker 2>me one. He was thinking like what is like a

1:02:33.280 --> 1:02:36.320
<v Speaker 2>funny like I need minions, but I need like these

1:02:36.400 --> 1:02:40.760
<v Speaker 2>assistants for grew. But the difference that will endure the

1:02:40.800 --> 1:02:43.440
<v Speaker 2>audience is that he will know all of their names,

1:02:43.520 --> 1:02:47.040
<v Speaker 2>and now will make kids and audiences think like, oh,

1:02:47.120 --> 1:02:50.160
<v Speaker 2>they all have names. He knows their names, maybe he's

1:02:50.200 --> 1:02:52.840
<v Speaker 2>not such a bad guy. And then the only other

1:02:52.920 --> 1:02:55.040
<v Speaker 2>thing he was thinking about with the minions per this

1:02:55.120 --> 1:02:59.280
<v Speaker 2>interview is that they need to be, you know, sweet

1:02:59.400 --> 1:03:01.800
<v Speaker 2>enough that who knows their names, and they have to

1:03:01.840 --> 1:03:06.480
<v Speaker 2>be easy for kids to draw, which they definitely are. Yeah,

1:03:06.520 --> 1:03:08.680
<v Speaker 2>And that was it, And so I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>just think it is like, really really fascinating that the

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<v Speaker 2>son of this prominent feminist went out of his way

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<v Speaker 2>to say all these cruisiers are men. But it's because

1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:22.200
<v Speaker 2>he thinks men are less smart than women. I think

1:03:22.200 --> 1:03:26.560
<v Speaker 2>that there's a lot of like, ultimately he's wrong, right,

1:03:26.680 --> 1:03:29.800
<v Speaker 2>like that anyone of any gender should be welcome into

1:03:29.800 --> 1:03:32.600
<v Speaker 2>this world of slapstick. I don't understand to this day

1:03:32.640 --> 1:03:34.520
<v Speaker 2>of why he wouldn't have just said, I don't know,

1:03:35.080 --> 1:03:37.640
<v Speaker 2>whatever you want. I feel like that is the smartest

1:03:37.680 --> 1:03:40.720
<v Speaker 2>answer across children's media, or maybe just art in general.

1:03:40.880 --> 1:03:43.520
<v Speaker 2>To be like, I don't have to answer that question, Like,

1:03:43.560 --> 1:03:46.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't owe you that answer, right. I will always

1:03:46.200 --> 1:03:50.360
<v Speaker 2>think it's confusing that he did. But I'm a Pierre

1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:53.080
<v Speaker 2>co Fen defender. I don't think that he did any

1:03:53.120 --> 1:03:56.560
<v Speaker 2>of this maliciously based on how I knew he grew up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I don't think it's malicious. I think it's

1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:03.080
<v Speaker 3>more just like he has the way many people still

1:04:03.120 --> 1:04:07.160
<v Speaker 3>do a kind of narrow view of gender. And the

1:04:07.240 --> 1:04:10.520
<v Speaker 3>other thing I think is fascinating is the Minions are

1:04:10.600 --> 1:04:16.240
<v Speaker 3>just far more gender fluid or gender neutral than Pierre

1:04:16.480 --> 1:04:20.560
<v Speaker 3>gives them credit for. Yeah, they are male coded, but

1:04:20.600 --> 1:04:25.919
<v Speaker 3>we often see them in drag. Right, they're dressing up

1:04:26.240 --> 1:04:30.040
<v Speaker 3>as a woman to go to the Tower of London.

1:04:30.200 --> 1:04:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Which is like so bugs bunny coded. I can't understand it. Like, yeah,

1:04:35.040 --> 1:04:39.160
<v Speaker 2>the history of drag within cartoons is like I love

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<v Speaker 2>that the Minions are continuing that tradition.

1:04:41.960 --> 1:04:46.200
<v Speaker 3>M hm in Minions to one of them dresses in

1:04:46.480 --> 1:04:50.080
<v Speaker 3>drag to pick up grew from school pretending to be

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<v Speaker 3>his mom.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob's and drag on the plane one of the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the Minions plan scene is like one of

1:04:56.840 --> 1:05:01.680
<v Speaker 2>the greatest sequences in comedy. It is, it just is.

1:05:01.680 --> 1:05:07.640
<v Speaker 3>It's very funny Bob wears a thong even though he's

1:05:07.680 --> 1:05:10.120
<v Speaker 3>a baby, so that's curious.

1:05:10.200 --> 1:05:12.600
<v Speaker 2>But like, what does a baby mean in minions years

1:05:12.640 --> 1:05:15.080
<v Speaker 2>I just would say, you know, don't overthink it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's true. Yeah, you're right, you're right. So there's

1:05:19.960 --> 1:05:25.800
<v Speaker 3>the many drag examples. Again, Physically, their body shape isn't

1:05:25.840 --> 1:05:30.160
<v Speaker 3>associated with any gender. They are just little tic TACs,

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<v Speaker 3>little pills.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I also feel like their voices could be interpreted as

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<v Speaker 3>being gender neutral.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's certainly like as far as I know, like

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<v Speaker 2>edited right.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I think the minions are actually genderless icons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would be happy to defer to the fan

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<v Speaker 2>base and this over the creator. I think that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to believe that the creator would defer to Like,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be really weird and telling if you was like, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not open to other answers, Like, I'd be curious

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<v Speaker 2>if someone asked him this question again ten years later.

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's also whatever the way that like stuff is

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<v Speaker 2>presented in media, it felt like that headline was presented

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<v Speaker 2>as a more like definitive thing than it actually was.

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<v Speaker 2>Were what he's saying is like, well, I always thought

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<v Speaker 2>about it like this for this reason, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>made the headline of like, right, Pierre Coffences, minions are men,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're just like, yes, that is what he said,

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<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't like I feel like it's presented as

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<v Speaker 2>like he was saying it with his whole chest, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be curious to hear this conversation revisited because I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like the Minions should be interpreted as like the

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<v Speaker 2>Minions or whoever you want them to be. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>should be, you know, open to any gender identity. They're

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<v Speaker 2>so special.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree. Do you have anything else to say about

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<v Speaker 3>the Minions themsels selves?

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<v Speaker 2>The Minions themselves, I don't think so. Yeah. No, I

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<v Speaker 2>just I think that they're the best. I love them.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see if I have anything else about them. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a few more things about Scarlette overkill same,

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<v Speaker 2>But in the primary sense, no, I think like the Minions,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish that they were open to any gender identity.

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<v Speaker 2>And I still think that that is possible because, first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, like the Minions are out of Puerkofan's hands

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. I don't mean to say that his

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<v Speaker 2>anymore than I feel like JK. Rowling is an easy

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<v Speaker 2>comp there of like that the creator's opinion, Like you

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<v Speaker 2>do not need to live and die by it. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>if it's important to you, interpret it as you will.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just wanted to give more context for his

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<v Speaker 2>stuff because I feel like he's been presented as sort

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<v Speaker 2>of someone who is like, no, they're men, and like

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't it doesn't seem to be true. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's all I have to say about the minions

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<v Speaker 2>other than Kevin is the best one.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, but then consider Bob.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I say Bob, and I'm kind of like,

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<v Speaker 2>grow up. I'm kind of like.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see Kevin just like doesn't really know how to

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<v Speaker 3>have fun. Stuart knows how to have fun. Bob knows

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<v Speaker 3>how to have fun. Kevin sort of like the straight man.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, but like, how are we gonna get anything

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<v Speaker 2>done if Kevin isn't showing up to work. Kevin is

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<v Speaker 2>not pursuing fire hydrants or feral rats, He's at work. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>If I had to determine which minion I was, I

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<v Speaker 3>think it would be Kevin because I often am like,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, let's get shit done.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think I would be Kevin, but I

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm drawn to Kevin. I don't even know who

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<v Speaker 2>I would be of the three. I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you are Bob and so it's an interesting flip,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's why you and I are drawn to each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's beautiful. I wish I had I liked that,

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<v Speaker 2>Like Bob has kind of like Kate Bosworth eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, what's that called when your eyes are two

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<v Speaker 3>different colors?

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<v Speaker 2>I forget, I forget what it's called, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>it is like both just like a very sweet feature

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<v Speaker 2>on that character, and also makes sense when you really

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<v Speaker 2>need people to be able to tell minions apart because

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<v Speaker 2>they looks so similar.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Anyway, I think that who we are and who

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<v Speaker 3>we are drawn to can be very different characters. That's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>That's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about Scarlet Overkill.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 3>So when she is first spoken about, before we even

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<v Speaker 3>meet her on screen, there's like a news broadcast about

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<v Speaker 3>villain con saying there's a new bad man in town

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<v Speaker 3>and that man is a woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I feel like that was like a tongue in

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<v Speaker 2>cheek nineteen sixty eight thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh for sure, yeah, yeah, and then she's announced at

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<v Speaker 3>Villain Con as being the world's first female supervillain. So

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<v Speaker 3>the Minion world, the world that this movie takes place within,

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<v Speaker 3>is presum be a patriarchal place like ours.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't seem to be like alternate timeline. It just

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<v Speaker 2>seems like we as people have neglected to see the

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<v Speaker 2>influence the Manias have had on our world.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So she's rising to fame and notoriety in this

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<v Speaker 3>patriarchal world where villains have historically been men, and she's like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to break the glass ceiling, the villain glass ceiling,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm gonna be first. That's right, the first super

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<v Speaker 3>villain who's a woman. And she's like the favorite among everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone wants to work for her. The minions want to

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<v Speaker 3>work for her. We have that scene with the little

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<v Speaker 3>girl who's like you know in the bank robber family.

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<v Speaker 3>She's in the car and she's telling one of the

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<v Speaker 3>minions that she really looks up to Scarlet.

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<v Speaker 2>What are the more impact full women in the plot line,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, is this little girl?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because she's like, wow, I want to be a supervillain.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's this super villain who's a woman who I can

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<v Speaker 3>look up to and be inspired by, and that's why

1:11:15.960 --> 1:11:21.799
<v Speaker 3>representation matters. But then we have this presentation from Scarlett

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<v Speaker 3>who says, like, when I first started, people said I

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<v Speaker 3>could never rob a bank as well as a man.

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<v Speaker 3>Well times change, So she faced sexist backlash when she

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<v Speaker 3>was you know, I guess a young woman trying to

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<v Speaker 3>be a villain and a bunch of men told her

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<v Speaker 3>she couldn't do it. Maybe women also told her she

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, which is very like in line with the like

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<v Speaker 2>Girl Boss narrative of like other people doubted my ability

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<v Speaker 2>to do the same evil thing, and like it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like intentional enough where I mean, I don't know, because

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<v Speaker 2>I know that we weren't quite having that conversation now

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<v Speaker 2>where it was like twenty fifteen. Any woman in power

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<v Speaker 2>is a force of good, yeah, and so maybe it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like that era. But she's also being coded as

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<v Speaker 2>a villain. I wish we had her resume. I know

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<v Speaker 2>that it would be harmful to have her resume, but

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<v Speaker 2>I would just be curious.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like she's just stealing stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she seems kind of like a petty criminal and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, meanwhile, there's Queen Elizabeth, like, you know, who

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<v Speaker 2>ends up being a hero of this story because this

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<v Speaker 2>movie has to play in every single theater in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can't actually say anything overtly political.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, so she is the villain of the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>She did face adversity, becoming the most powerful villain villain con.

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<v Speaker 2>At least, so did Sheryl Sandberg's it pushing like, she

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<v Speaker 2>is good.

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<v Speaker 3>At fighting, so you know, we see her fight off

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of men and so that was impressive. We

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<v Speaker 3>also have see Queen Elizabeth kick some people's.

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<v Speaker 2>Ass, but I feel like that is actually maybe actively harmful.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like showing at that time a living colonizer to

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<v Speaker 2>be like a fun, no nonsense girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like, yeah, that's one of the most notorious

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<v Speaker 2>colonists that's alive. Like, I wish Bob had killed her.

1:13:24.560 --> 1:13:26.599
<v Speaker 3>I tell me about it. You should have taken that

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<v Speaker 3>sword and chopped her head off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that scene where she's in the pub after

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<v Speaker 3>she has been dethroned and she's like telling stories and

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<v Speaker 3>drinking pints of beer and stuff like that. I was

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<v Speaker 3>getting very rose from Titanic vibes or she like gulps

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<v Speaker 3>down some beer and I almost expected her to be like,

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<v Speaker 3>what you think a first class girl can't drink?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think that like devoid of any historical context.

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<v Speaker 2>That was like kind of a funny beat.

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<v Speaker 3>H Yeah. The other thing I guess with Scarlet's character

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<v Speaker 3>for me is that And we've had this conver station

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<v Speaker 3>over and over again at this point. But in animation,

1:14:04.360 --> 1:14:09.280
<v Speaker 3>men are often designed to be whatever body shape and size,

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<v Speaker 3>but women, or at least the main characters who have

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<v Speaker 3>narrative significance in a movie who are women, often have

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<v Speaker 3>very you know, Western beauty standards bodies. Yeah, there's even

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<v Speaker 3>this like random scene in the movie where herb is

1:14:25.080 --> 1:14:29.880
<v Speaker 3>tightening her corset and she's like, must have tiny waist,

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, why is this scene in the movie.

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<v Speaker 3>It has nothing to do with anything, Yeah, but it

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<v Speaker 3>just feels like it's emphasizing the fact that she has

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<v Speaker 3>like a very.

1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Small waist, which is true. Like if I were them,

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<v Speaker 2>I would not be pointing out how very much you're

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<v Speaker 2>leading it, because I mean the whole franchise is guilty

1:14:47.479 --> 1:14:50.679
<v Speaker 2>of that, including like the design of the christed Wig character.

1:14:52.000 --> 1:14:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I feel like the most purport like the children are

1:14:54.840 --> 1:14:59.320
<v Speaker 2>a little more proportionally normal. But there are characters that

1:14:59.400 --> 1:15:03.600
<v Speaker 2>are not wildly thin in terms of like women in

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<v Speaker 2>this franchise, But there are never characters that are presented

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<v Speaker 2>as desirable or meaningful in terms of adult women that

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<v Speaker 2>are presented as narratively important. It's very all the same.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's also true in Rise of Grow, where the

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<v Speaker 2>most important supervillain is still very very thin.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I will say that Rise of grou has a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit more racial diversity than the first Minions movie

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<v Speaker 3>because it's almost all white characters, at least the human characters. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>in the movie. And I feel like that's pretty true

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<v Speaker 3>of the Despicable Me movies as well. So yeah, a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of like harmful tropes of animation present in this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>There's the i would say, queer coded stylist character who

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<v Speaker 3>gives Scarlet like a makeover right before she's about to

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<v Speaker 3>be crowned the queen. So we have that trophy character.

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<v Speaker 3>His name is Fabrice, not unlike Fabricio. Yes, So just

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<v Speaker 3>pointing that out something to think about, something to make

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<v Speaker 3>you think. I don't know if I have much else

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<v Speaker 3>to say.

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<v Speaker 2>The only other thing I would say about Scarlett Overkill

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<v Speaker 2>that I would say is positive is that I think

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<v Speaker 2>it is generally good to have a woman villain, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>in keeping with the like I think I'm doing a

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<v Speaker 2>good thing, but I'm actually out of touch vibe that

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<v Speaker 2>Pierre Coffin had when he was like, no, the minions

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<v Speaker 2>are men, because I don't think women would be so

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<v Speaker 2>not smart, you know, Like I'm glad that there is

1:16:51.760 --> 1:16:57.360
<v Speaker 2>a woman villain and that that woman villain has a

1:16:58.040 --> 1:17:02.000
<v Speaker 2>loving partner that she also loves. I feel like that

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<v Speaker 2>is very rare and that you are often encouraged to

1:17:05.560 --> 1:17:08.040
<v Speaker 2>see when you do get a woman villain. That part

1:17:08.080 --> 1:17:11.960
<v Speaker 2>of why she is a villain is because she has

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<v Speaker 2>a loveless life and that she resents the world and

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<v Speaker 2>like she's getting back at the world because she doesn't

1:17:19.520 --> 1:17:23.040
<v Speaker 2>have a boyfriend, and like this movie does pretty clearly

1:17:23.080 --> 1:17:25.840
<v Speaker 2>subvert that. I honestly, the first time I saw this movie,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember thinking that like herb was gonna end up

1:17:28.720 --> 1:17:31.320
<v Speaker 2>being evil and like resent her and want to get

1:17:31.800 --> 1:17:34.719
<v Speaker 2>But that relationship is presented kind of matter of factly,

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<v Speaker 2>like where she's the dominant person in this relationship.

1:17:37.560 --> 1:17:40.080
<v Speaker 3>He's her minion kind of yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, even though she's a piece of shit to

1:17:42.640 --> 1:17:46.080
<v Speaker 2>everyone else, including Kevin, it is kind of rare to

1:17:46.080 --> 1:17:49.240
<v Speaker 2>see a woman villain who has like who has a

1:17:49.280 --> 1:17:52.200
<v Speaker 2>loving relationship like that is not the source of the villainy.

1:17:53.200 --> 1:17:55.880
<v Speaker 2>And you know, it is kind of like lazy to

1:17:55.920 --> 1:18:01.000
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh, it's some YadA YadA childhood something, but

1:18:01.160 --> 1:18:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I genuinely prefer that to like, I don't have a boyfriend,

1:18:05.000 --> 1:18:07.400
<v Speaker 2>so I'm going to be the Queen of Angelt or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>because I feel like that it's like a common fallback on,

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<v Speaker 2>like a woman scorned. So I just wanted to point

1:18:13.760 --> 1:18:16.080
<v Speaker 2>that out. I don't think herb is a great character.

1:18:16.240 --> 1:18:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I like, I totally agree that like the celebrity stunt casting,

1:18:20.120 --> 1:18:21.599
<v Speaker 2>I can take care to leave it. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's like an active hindrance to enjoying the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do like that at least they didn't fall

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<v Speaker 2>back on so many women villains that it's like always

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<v Speaker 2>exciting to get one, and then I feel like occasionally

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<v Speaker 2>or often it's like it's because this guy didn't love me, like,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's not the case here, right, So that's nice.

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<v Speaker 3>What is the case now that I'm thinking about it,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe I'm overthinking it, but she makes a reference

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<v Speaker 3>to how when she was younger, she was penniless and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe implies that no one likes her because of that,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's why she's so hell bent on like being

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<v Speaker 3>a princess and having a crown and being royal. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's like a class element to it, which kind of

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<v Speaker 3>implies that, like, which.

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<v Speaker 2>At least seems more I don't know. I mean, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what the reason is, the movie is not implying

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<v Speaker 2>that she's right to think it, right, but at least

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<v Speaker 2>that's something that like, I haven't seen as much of,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's rooted in her own class anxiety and feeling

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<v Speaker 2>of rejection on the basis of class. Which there's plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of villains you could put in that category two and

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<v Speaker 2>they all suck because they're villains. But like a woman

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<v Speaker 2>villain whose like root issue is class anxiety, it feels

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<v Speaker 2>a little less usual.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, interesting, villain avoids some tropes.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she's like a better villain than we have

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<v Speaker 2>too many villains in the second Minions movie, The Whole Crew, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which I know is the point, but I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>like Scarlett overkill and I also like, don't miss her

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<v Speaker 2>when she's trapped in ice or whatever. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>know that she is sort of the groove stand in

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<v Speaker 2>for this movie because they need a person around for

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<v Speaker 2>it to work. Yeah, and she's fine, she's fine. They

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<v Speaker 2>certainly could have done much worse. And the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>they went with a woman in the first place, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm probably over rewarding them. But like in a kid's

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<v Speaker 2>movie with a villain, I mean, what Disney movie that

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<v Speaker 2>was formative for us? Could you say that for It's

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<v Speaker 2>weirdly like older movies like Witches and blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Ursula. Yeah, that's true, there's some but as we've

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<v Speaker 3>pointed out on the podcast before, there's a trend of

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<v Speaker 3>if the protagonist is a woman, that's the only condition

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<v Speaker 3>where the villain would also be a woman, as if

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<v Speaker 3>to say, sure, a woman could not be a formidable

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<v Speaker 3>opponent if the protagonist was a man.

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<v Speaker 2>So not true here, not because we've been aggressively told

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<v Speaker 2>they're all men. Yeah. So, and the fact that the

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<v Speaker 2>Medians they genuinely do just want the most evil boss.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not concerned about the gender of the boss. They

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<v Speaker 2>were like, oh, Scarlett over kills the best evil person

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<v Speaker 2>great like you know which I don't know. These movies

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<v Speaker 2>are not meant to shape your mind in any way,

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<v Speaker 2>shape or form like whatever. I don't think it passes

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<v Speaker 2>the Bechdel test, and I'm giving it five nipples.

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<v Speaker 3>The closest thing I could come to it possibly passing because.

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<v Speaker 2>In the car.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in the car. Tina is the little girl in

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<v Speaker 3>the robber family. She says, after the bank robbery, I

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<v Speaker 3>tripped the alarm. I stink. Her dad says, you're still learning.

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<v Speaker 3>Her mom chimes in and says, your father's right, Tina,

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<v Speaker 3>he wasn't this good at being evil overnight? Your time

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<v Speaker 3>is coming. Tina doesn't respond. So at no point are women,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, characters who are women, are girls actually meaningfully interacting?

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm gonna say a.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Yeah, I would say no. It doesn't pass the

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<v Speaker 2>Baxxel test. It doesn't meaningfully move the needle I think

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<v Speaker 2>in any direction, like I don't think this is pushing

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<v Speaker 2>forwards or backwards. I'm giving it five nipples. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>first today. I've decided, Oh no, that's fine. I'm giving

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<v Speaker 2>it five nipples because I like it and it's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>To Me, and I'm giving one to Bob, giving one

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<v Speaker 2>to Stewart, I'm giving one to Kevin, I'm giving one

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<v Speaker 2>to Scarlet overkill It, and I'm giving one to Poucci.

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<v Speaker 2>And That's what I'm doing. I love them and I

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<v Speaker 2>can't wait to see Despicable before. Oh wait, the last

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<v Speaker 2>thing I wanted to say was that I really like

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<v Speaker 2>the Minions movies compared to the Despicable movies, because the

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<v Speaker 2>Despicable Me movies do something that I feel like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of kids' movies do that. It's whatever the Despicable

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<v Speaker 2>of Me movies are predicated on grew adopting three children. Yes, fine,

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<v Speaker 2>adoption is a very complicated conversation. But I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>the Despicable Me movies have like a more traditional agenda

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<v Speaker 2>of like reinforcing nuclear family values, because as the movies

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<v Speaker 2>go on, at first it's like he's a single father

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<v Speaker 2>with three adopted daughters and they're very happy. But then

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<v Speaker 2>as the movies go on, it's like, but he needs

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<v Speaker 2>a wife. And Despicable of Me two and like I,

1:23:35.920 --> 1:23:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Despicable Me three can't speak to it. Haven't seen It'spicable

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<v Speaker 2>of Me four. He and Kristin wigwife have a baby,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just like building out. That's the premise of

1:23:45.600 --> 1:23:47.599
<v Speaker 2>the fourth movies. Now there's evil baby.

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<v Speaker 3>He already has a baby. It's Bob exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's like that. I really do feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that side of the franchise grows increasingly entrenched in these

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<v Speaker 2>very traditional family values, which is also not where it's

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<v Speaker 2>coming from. It comes from a like less traditional family. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but it grows increasingly traditional as the movies go on

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that just like doesn't feel whatever. A

1:24:11.800 --> 1:24:13.519
<v Speaker 2>family is a family, but it just feels like a

1:24:13.560 --> 1:24:19.000
<v Speaker 2>little like growing increasingly conservative in its values, whereas the

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<v Speaker 2>Minions movies are minions, bonking minions on the head, which

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<v Speaker 2>is literally all anyone wants anyways, So Minius movies are superior.

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<v Speaker 2>Minions three comes out on July fourth, twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 3>See there, whoa yeah, God bless America. Just kidding. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be there, I'll see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, anyways, we'll be there. What is your

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<v Speaker 2>nipple scale rating for Minions?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, Since I don't feel any need to

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<v Speaker 3>take the nipple scale seriously on this episode, because we

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<v Speaker 3>normally take it so seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>This is silly one.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the most important metric of all time. So

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<v Speaker 3>we normally, you know, take careful consideration, but this time

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<v Speaker 3>I'll give it. Why not. I'll also give it five nipples. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm giving them to Bob and I'm giving them

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<v Speaker 3>to his little teddy bear, Tim.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I forgot about Tim. Bob is a sweetie. I

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<v Speaker 2>just love them all. And also the Despicable b movies

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<v Speaker 2>feature like B side minions, like they for some reason

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<v Speaker 2>don't prominently feature the minions that we know and love,

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<v Speaker 2>like they're like mel Chris, who I don't know them?

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<v Speaker 2>Where's Kevin?

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<v Speaker 3>Where's Kevin? Or Stewart Wor's Bob? And then in minions too,

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<v Speaker 3>Auto and I love Auto, Auto.

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<v Speaker 2>Rocks Auto has a pet rock. Oh that's right, I

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<v Speaker 2>love Auto. Yeah, and he has braces. I like, they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>how do we differentiate this minion? He has braces? Who

1:25:56.840 --> 1:25:59.040
<v Speaker 2>gave him the braces? Don't worry about it? What does

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<v Speaker 2>he get them off? Probably never?

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<v Speaker 3>Never? Yeah, it'll be so many years because they're immortal.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like Tuck ever lad they're the Collins, like they

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<v Speaker 2>just do not die. And I'm grateful for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, listeners that has been our Minions episode. Thanks

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<v Speaker 3>for tuning in. Thank you so much. I'm in a

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<v Speaker 3>great mood. We I guess have to cover the other

1:26:26.080 --> 1:26:29.000
<v Speaker 3>movies that have Minions in them. I feel like a

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<v Speaker 3>precedent has been set.

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<v Speaker 2>want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we do. I have to talk about Bob as

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<v Speaker 3>much as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>the Bechdel Cast. I feel like we need some Minions merch, Jamie,

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<v Speaker 3>not to put you on the spot.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll get right on it. I'll get right on that.

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<v Speaker 2>We have Baby Grinch, like, come.

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<v Speaker 3>On, come on, we have that and not minions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what the heck? I know it's on me.

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