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Speaker 1: On the Bechdel Cast. The questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zeph and

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Speaker 1: vest start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 2: Bello below Minions. It's the Minions episode of the Bechtel Cast.

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Speaker 2: I could cry, I could cry.

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Speaker 3: Oh, hi, Minion, Jamie, it's me Minyon.

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Bello, Caitlin Bello, Jamie God. I just love these

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Speaker 2: damn Minions. I'm in a great lude, I mean, Befel

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Speaker 2: Cast listeners, it is important for feminism that you go

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Speaker 2: see Dispicable with me for so to help facilitate that.

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Speaker 2: And to be clear, we are in no way sponsored

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Speaker 2: or affiliated with the Minions, and that is a source

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Speaker 2: of pain for both of us. But all of the

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Speaker 2: raw enthusiasm you're about to hear is uncompety for free,

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Speaker 2: simply because it's Minion seasoned baby. It's Britney bitch, It's

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Speaker 2: bitch's bitch. I have two millions in my lap.

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Speaker 3: I was with you when you got that. Tell the

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Speaker 3: listeners what we're looking at, Gane.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, sorry, I forgot that. We've been in an

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Speaker 2: audio medium for eight years. So I'm holding a little

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Speaker 2: Dracula Minion I forgot. I honestly forgot because we got

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Speaker 2: this around Caitlin and I went to Universal together as

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Speaker 2: we were wont to do around Halloween, and I was like,

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Speaker 2: Dracula Minion, gotta have it. Forgot that there is precedent

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Speaker 2: for Dracula Minion. As we'll discuss today, this is a

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Speaker 2: minion that's appeared. And then I also have just my

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Speaker 2: Kevin at hand all time. Although I did get some

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Speaker 2: new Minion merch, I'm kind of bummed. Honestly. Well, we'll

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Speaker 2: get it. We have to say what the podcast this first,

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Speaker 2: but I have like that, I guess in Despable before

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Speaker 2: they're kind of like doing a spy thing. So I

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: They changed professions every so often because you just want

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Speaker 3: It's like Barbie in that way.

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Speaker 2: It really is.

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Speaker 3: The minions are Barbie.

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Speaker 2: The minions are Barbie. The Minions are this Summer's Barbie.

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Speaker 2: And I'll go on a whole rant about why another

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Speaker 2: movie that we have no affiliation with, Inside Out too

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Speaker 2: don't see it. I'm sick of emotional intelligence being encouraged

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Speaker 2: when you could simply go watch Minions. I will not

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Speaker 2: be listening to a nuanced discussion on the topic. I

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Speaker 2: literally got into an argument with my therapist about it

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Speaker 2: the other day. Okay, yeah, because Minions didn't come up

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Speaker 2: at first. But she's like, I just saw Inside Out too,

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Speaker 2: I think you'd love it, which is also a way

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Speaker 2: of calling me unable to regulate my own feelings, which

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Speaker 2: is why I'm there. But she's like, you should see

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Speaker 2: Inside Out too, and I was like no, and she

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go see Minions and whatever.

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Speaker 3: And that's okay, well, Jamie, to add to your collection

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Speaker 3: mm hmm. And we will get to the Bechdel test boring.

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Speaker 2: Yes, which this movie doesn't pass. Whatever, No it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about it, but we have Minions business to

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Speaker 3: tend to. Yes, Okay, you may or may not remember this, Jamie,

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Speaker 3: but your birthday two years ago, I mean, of course

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Speaker 3: you remember it. Being at medieval times, yes, hashtag red

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Speaker 3: Night one the day you were given many gifts and

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Speaker 3: then you couldn't take them with you. I think because

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Speaker 3: them with you. Yes, I have been hanging on to this. Oh.

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Speaker 3: Actually our friend Bryant has been hanging on to it forever.

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Speaker 3: And then I was like, give me that back so

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Speaker 2: Oh I love that.

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Speaker 3: Here it is ready. Oh my god, it's a little

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Speaker 3: so fub bob. It's hand knit.

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Speaker 2: Where did you get it?

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Speaker 3: I got it in Edinburgh, Scotland. Ever heard of it?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Two years ago. I'm so excited. I don't have a Bob.

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Speaker 3: This is like that's somebody else.

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Speaker 2: I honestly I said this in my letterbox review of

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Speaker 2: That's all I want from grew.

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Speaker 3: Yes, all right, there's so much jun pack already. The

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Speaker 3: Bechdel Test.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, you're Kaitli. My name is Jamie first.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The Bechdel Test is a medium metric that we

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Speaker 3: cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace Test. Many

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's so frustrating that the creator of Minions, who

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Speaker 3: Yes, And before we go into our personal histories and

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Speaker 3: that any chance we get, we bring up the Minions,

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Speaker 3: or every chance we get we bring up Shrek.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and much just like Shrek, it started as a

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Speaker 2: it's easy to make fun of because you're like whatever,

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Speaker 2: like I don't get it, But the Minions, if you

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Speaker 2: I love them? Okay, So my history with Minyas is

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Speaker 2: So this may be us rehashing something similar from two

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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, they're just gonna give me

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Speaker 2: damn minions, and I think this movie is I would

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Speaker 2: but it's still I still enjoy it more than any

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Speaker 2: all of these little guys, the little guys. Caitlin, what's

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Speaker 2: we all at least agree that Jeffrey Rush was a

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Speaker 2: And there's a big Chinese New Year celebration that is

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Speaker 3: No, I love it. Should we do the.

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Speaker 3: All right, we'll be right back, and we're back. We're back,

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Speaker 3: and here is the recap for Minions one from twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 2: And of course it immediately gets complicated.

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Speaker 3: Well, the movie opens and we see I would estimate

432
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Speaker 3: about three point five billion years worth of evolution of

433
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Speaker 3: the minions. They start as single celled organism minions. They

434
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Speaker 3: are following the biggest, baddest creatures in the primordial soup.

435
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Speaker 3: Then one day they emerge from the ocean, having evolved

436
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Speaker 3: into the modern minions that we recognize.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the minions do subscribe to the evolution theory. This

438
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: is a godless world in which they live. Yes, which, again,

439
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 2: like you're like, okay, minions. I feel like part of

440
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 2: this was in response to, like, there were so many

441
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Speaker 2: memes about the minions in the early years of Despicable Me,

442
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: where they would be like do they have skeletons? What

443
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 2: do they look like with their goggles off? You know,

444
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: just like sort of a bunch of like sorry that

445
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 2: like really loud guys on YouTube being like what is this?

446
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: Like you know, and I feel like all of those

447
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 2: questions are answered in the opening statements of this movie.

448
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, the menions, they they're darwinning, they're evolving.

449
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 3: Yes, they also, as Pierre Kofun has said, they don't reproduce.

450
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 2: And ostensibly, from what I can gather, they don't reproduce,

451
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: which would make sense because it seems like they can't die.

452
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Speaker 3: They might be invincible. Yeah.

453
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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe there's some wild shit going on in

454
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Speaker 2: Despicable Me three. But of the four out of five

455
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Speaker 2: movies I've seen and I double checked this to be

456
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Speaker 2: thorough for this episode, the closest you see to a

457
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Speaker 2: minion dying, which I guess maybe does make the cartoon

458
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Speaker 2: violence a little more palatable, as you're like led to

459
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Speaker 2: believe like they're bonked but they're never actually hurt. There

460
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Speaker 2: is a minion at one point that gets I think

461
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Speaker 2: it's Despicably b one who like ends up getting sucked

462
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Speaker 2: into space. Oh but he's just like floating in space.

463
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Speaker 2: They can't die, they're immortal, and they don't reproduce.

464
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Speaker 3: Jealous, I know, truly, so we get voiceover from Jeffrey Rush.

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Speaker 2: He's so good.

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Speaker 3: The minions came this sure his Pirates of the Caribbean residuals,

467
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 3: you know, diminishing returns, and he's like, I need a

468
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 3: new living room or something, and so he did this movie.

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Speaker 2: I think it's like he wanted to impress his grandson.

470
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Speaker 2: He wanted his grandson wasn't old enough to watch Pirates

471
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: of the Caribbean. He's like, all right, check this out.

472
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 3: I can't say for sure, but anyway, he's.

473
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Speaker 2: Explaining, bru when you ruwen Bill Nye, he said, mew too,

474
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Speaker 2: mew two. It feels like that.

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00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 3: Hmm, yes, it does.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

477
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Speaker 3: So Jeffrey Rush is explaining that the minion's goal is

478
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Speaker 3: to serve the most despicable master that they can find,

479
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 3: such as t Rex during dinosaur times, and then many

480
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: millions of years later they start serving humans in caveman times,

481
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Speaker 3: and then we see them in ancient Egypt. They serve

482
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Speaker 3: Dracula for a while later Napoleon, but they always accidentally

483
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Speaker 3: kill their boss.

484
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 2: Which also like would make you know, potentially we're recording

485
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Speaker 2: this before Despicable and me before it comes out. It

486
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Speaker 2: would be awesome if they eventually kill Grew killed Grew.

487
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: I mean, they can't die. So this whole opening sequence,

488
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: it's Ben talks about to death in Midians culture. But yeah,

489
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 2: the fact that like just the Minians were not just

490
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Speaker 2: present but critical in the development of life with the dinosaurs,

491
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Speaker 2: with the caveman. Yes, they not just killed an ancient

492
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: Egyptian pharaoh, they also built the pyramids. Yes, that killed

493
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Speaker 2: said pharaoh. They are sometimes, i'mes, serving someone who is fictional,

494
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: like Dracula. They're sometimes serving someone that people might argue

495
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 2: or is too real, like Napoleon.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh.

497
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: And what I think is really interesting that they do.

498
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: And again it's like this is applying an adult brain

499
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: to a kid's movie about little guys bunking each other

500
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: in the head. But I think like Napoleon already feels

501
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: like if they have to go to the most evil master,

502
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,719
Speaker 2: Napoleon makes sense if you know anything about the Napoleonic Wars,

503
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: wild to imply what they might have done while working

504
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: for him. But it feels like this, like franchise in general,

505
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: just makes kind of like slap dashed. I mean, And

506
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: also pierreco Fan is French, so it feels like he's

507
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: fucking with French history in a way that feels a

508
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: little tongue in cheek. Yeah, but like the things that

509
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Speaker 2: they I feel like sometimes the Minions movies will just

510
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: decide like, well we're over that, We're not over this.

511
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: Where in this they're like, well, the Napoleonic Wars were

512
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: so long ago, people won't care if the Minions were there.

513
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: But there's a very deliberate decision for the one hundred

514
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: and fifty years before the movie starts, that the Minions

515
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: are out of play for any human atrocities that happened

516
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: between the Civil War, the Minions were not there and onwards,

517
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: like basically anything from the last century and a half

518
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: or so, the Minions were out of play. I think

519
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: that that's a really smart move. I know people have

520
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: made fun of it a lot, but it's like, if

521
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: these are canonically who we've said the Minions are technically

522
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 2: when they were introduced in twenty ten, they were asside

523
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: characters no one really like you could guess, but like

524
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: no one would have guess they would have become a

525
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Speaker 2: global phenomenon, and now they have their own movie. I

526
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Speaker 2: think it's very smart to put them in a cave

527
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Speaker 2: for two hundred years.

528
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Speaker 3: Right, what's the movie going to do? Be like?

529
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah?

530
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Speaker 3: And then they worked for Hitler.

531
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Speaker 2: No, right, they fought for the Confederacy, Like, no, no,

532
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: because we want to love the minions, we do, should

533
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: not have worked for Napoleon. But they learned their lesson

534
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Speaker 2: and they migrated to the North Pole or wherever the

535
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Speaker 2: fuck they went.

536
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: Right, they go into seclusion in this ice cave. But

537
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: after a while in the cave, they're growing restless and

538
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: depressed about not having an evil boss to serve until

539
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 3: one day and men, you named Kevin Kevin le Mignon,

540
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: to be exact.

541
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Speaker 2: I love how this is like Kevin's movie the way

542
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: that Like the movie is called mad Max, but it's

543
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: about Furio. So the movie is called Manias, but it's

544
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Speaker 2: about Kevin. So wait, Bob is we I guess we did?

545
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: Haven't benished with it? Bob is your favorite?

546
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: Bob is my favorite? Yes, you're a Kevin head.

547
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: I love Kevin. I just love Kevin. He's tall, and

548
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: he has leadership qualities. I loved him.

549
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love Bob because he likes animals and he

550
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 3: carries a little teddy bear.

551
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: Around and he's adorable.

552
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 3: He's the cutest and sweetest.

553
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bob is an mpath I love when he meets Pucci.

554
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: My mom does this thing called Minion Mondays in her

555
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: second grade class room where you get some sort of

556
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: like if you wear yellow or blue on a Monday,

557
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: if you're just like Minion cosplaying on a Monday, she'll

558
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 2: give you like a treat or something. But on every

559
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: Minion Monday, my mom will be like asking the kids, like, Okay,

560
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: who's my favorite Minion and everyone will say Bob, And

561
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: then my mom will be like, and who does Jamie

562
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: want to marry? And then they'll all go Kevin. Because

563
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: I said that to them, Oh, I know it impacted.

564
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: I didn't realize what an impact it would be to

565
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: say that I wanted to marry Kevin the Minion. But

566
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: I do feel like he has the qualities outside of

567
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: being like a proven war criminal, apparently like he has

568
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: many of the qualities I'm looking for, like having leadership

569
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Speaker 2: qualities and giving you a little kiss.

570
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Speaker 3: All he is nerd. He wipes the crud off of

571
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 3: Bob's face.

572
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 2: And then when he's all big spoiler alert, he kisses

573
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Speaker 2: all his friends.

574
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: It's really nice the Minions. They care about each other.

575
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: They love each other, and I love that they all

576
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: have like fuck boy names, like all that is like

577
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: a feature of the Minions. It's like Kevin, Bob, Stewart, Chris,

578
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: like like random guys mel Yeah.

579
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Speaker 3: Okay, So one day Kevin declares that he's going to

580
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Speaker 3: go back out into the world to find the baddest

581
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Speaker 3: boss around.

582
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like elected himself as Luke Skywalker. He's like,

583
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: I just realize I am the protagonist. So here I go.

584
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: I'm the chosen one. He recruits some help, some minions

585
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: within minions when you think about it, Okay, layers like

586
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: onions have layers, ogres have layers. Blah blah blah. The

587
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 3: help the minions are Stuart and Bob.

588
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 2: Sure, it's a bit of a rock star. He's got

589
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: a bit of an ego on him. He's a little horny.

590
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: He tries to have sex with not one, but three

591
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: fire Hydrants.

592
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he's trying to initiate a threesome at one

593
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 3: point with two fire Hydrants. I love it, and that's

594
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: pretty cool. Yeah, I think that's really forward thinking. Yeah,

595
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: polyamorous king Stuart. Okay, so the three of them, Kevin

596
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: Stewart and Bob set off, eventually making their way to

597
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: New York City. Ever heard of it? The year is

598
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Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight.

599
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: And boy will they do. We were joking about this

600
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: in our recently recorded Madam Web episode about how that movie,

601
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 2: at some point in production was decided to be in

602
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Speaker 2: two thousand and three, and they really bonk you over

603
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 2: the head with like remember this, and it doesn't bother me.

604
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: The minions do it because they do it so much

605
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: that it starts to be parody. Like how expensive was

606
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: this soundtrack? It was every single song, the Dad's like

607
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 2: the Beatles, the everything was in this movie.

608
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. So they are in New York and they

609
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: learn about something called Villain con a convention in Orlando, Florida,

610
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: where villains gather from all over and this year it

611
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: will feature a special appearance by Scarlet Overkill, the world's

612
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 3: first female super villain. Okay, feminism alert, we wo we woo.

613
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Speaker 2: Okay, you're joking, but I feel like Scarlet Overkill. We've

614
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: talked about this of like how the girl boss phrase

615
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 2: is so liberally given out and I feel like sometimes

616
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: it's just like a term that's WEAPONI is to be

617
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 2: like a woman I don't like who has more power

618
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: than me is like labeled as a girl boss when

619
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: the definition of a girl boss is a woman who

620
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: uses feminist language to accrue conventional patriarchal power, and that

621
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: is Miss Scarlett Overkill to the hilt. She is a

622
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: girl boss.

623
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Speaker 3: And the minions are enthralled by Scarlet and they want

624
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: to work for her, so they hitchhike two Orlando with

625
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 3: a family who turns out to be bank robbers who

626
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: are also headed to villan Con.

627
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 2: Another weird page, like we didn't need that, that could

628
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: have been anyone, right.

629
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Speaker 3: The mom and dad of this family are voiced by

630
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Speaker 3: Michael Keaton and Alison Janny.

631
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Speaker 2: Which I genuinely didn't even know until this viewing. Oh really,

632
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Yeah, I didn't clock their voice and then

633
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: when you know, you know, but that kind of bummsy out.

634
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 2: I feel like the art of voice acting is a

635
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: very specific one and it's just sort of been like

636
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: motover by, like celebrity stunt casting in since like Lindsay

637
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: Ellis has a good video about it, since like Aladdin,

638
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: so like the last thirty years.

639
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why I don't like John hamm in the role.

640
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 3: I don't like Sandra Bullock in the role. I like

641
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: them as actors in general, but like they're not as

642
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: strong a voice actors as actual voice actors.

643
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, every time I watch this movie, I think that

644
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 2: it's Jason Manzukus and not John Ham. Does that connect

645
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: it all? Every single time I've watched this movie, I

646
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: was like, wait, and then I remember it's John Ham,

647
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 2: but it feels like it's John Ham doing a Jason

648
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: man Zukus. I mean, I'm a huge Jason Manzukus fan.

649
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: I think he would actually be a great choice for

650
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: that character because it just sounds like him anyways, right, No,

651
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 2: I see that, Yeah, anyways, but yeah, the celebrity stunt casting.

652
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: It's like, this movie has a fairly low budget for

653
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: what it is, but it could have been even lower

654
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: by just not doing that. I don't know, right, I

655
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: feel like no one is more likely to see this

656
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: movie because Michael Keaton plays a bit part, Like it

657
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 2: just doesn't make sense.

658
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: No, I don't know why they do that, but anyway,

659
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: the family that they're hitching a ride with robs a

660
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: bank and the minions help them get away by basically

661
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 3: killing a bunch of cops. So the minions say, acab.

662
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: I mean, but if they're working for the most evil people,

663
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: but they do kill. Like another thing about this, he was,

664
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: I've always sort of like paused by, is how obviously

665
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: dead those cops are. It's like that car crash is

666
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: so bad.

667
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: They kill them.

668
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: They killed cops, Yes, and you know, God bless love

669
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: you guys.

670
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 3: Yep. So then Kevin, Stewart and Bob arrive at villain

671
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 3: con and watch this like presentation thing from Scarlet Overkill

672
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 3: voiced by Sandra Bullock where she says she's looking for

673
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 3: new henchmen and whoever can steal the ruby she's holding

674
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: gets the job. So a bunch of kind of wannabe

675
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 3: villains try and the ruby, including Kevin, Bob, and Stewart.

676
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: And also there's like a meaningless plot point added here

677
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: that like Kevin has a crush on Scarlet Overkill, right,

678
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: But I was like, because they canonically don't experience desire,

679
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 2: that it was just like he wanted her validation or something.

680
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's my husband.

681
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell if it was like a romantic crush

682
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 3: or if he was just enamored by the idea of

683
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: working for her, because she's presented as being like the

684
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: awesomest super villain at the time.

685
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: Right of her acceptance. I'm gonna go with that because

686
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: that's literally my boyfriend. He's taken.

687
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: Well, do minions are asexual canonically they don't reproduce.

688
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: Yes, they're canonically a sexual. I mean even though we

689
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: were not allowed to receive them as genderless icons, as

690
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 2: non binary icons, we can still accept them as asexual icons.

691
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: Well, that doesn't explain why Stuart wants to have sex

692
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 3: with those two fire hydrants.

693
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: Then I think that Stuart is just kind of the

694
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 2: watch be like totally deflect. I think Stuart's just kind

695
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: of like doing his own thing.

696
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: Okay, sure, let's go with that.

697
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

698
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: In any case, so these villains are trying to pass

699
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 3: this test from Scarlett Overkill, including Kevin, Bob and Stewart,

700
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 3: who end up being the ones to take the ruby

701
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: from her, and Scarlet is impressed. She hires them and

702
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 3: then she takes them to London, England ever heard of that?

703
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 3: And the reason she goes there is because Scarlett wants

704
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: Queen Elizabeth's crown. And if you're wondering, are we gonna

705
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: meet Queen Elizabeth in nineteen sixty eight. Yes we do.

706
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: Yes, another canonical girl boss.

707
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 3: And also we're like, okay, if the Minions work for

708
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 3: the most despicable person around, yes, would that not the

709
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 3: Royal family of England?

710
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 2: I know, I know in any year the rules are

711
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 2: unclear and we're not given a list of Scarlett's crimes.

712
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: I know. It's like it really does feel like evil

713
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: is like just sort of applied to like general vibes

714
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: and aesthetics versus actual things done. But whatever, probably better

715
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: for the kids, right I don't think the kids need

716
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: the details.

717
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I don't know. I think kids should learn

718
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 3: about the atrocities of imperialism and colonialism of the world

719
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: early on. But that's just me, I agree, But not

720
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 3: an Amnions movie.

721
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: Not an Aminions movie, right, Like, it's like we'll kick

722
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: that to Pixar and see how they do. But I

723
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: do feel like there is value in escapist media, and

724
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: that's Minions. I just like, if you're going to do

725
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 2: Minions to learn, you got to get a library card,

726
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: like grow up up, right, kids?

727
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: Okay, So Scarlett wants Queen Elizabeth's crown because it's established

728
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 3: that she has some possible unresolved childhood trauma, and she

729
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: wants to be a princess so that everyone will love her.

730
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she.

731
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 3: Wants the minions to steal the crown for her. We

732
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: meet her husband, Herb, played by John Hamm. He gives

733
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 3: Kevin Stewart and Bob some gear and some weapons, and

734
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 3: then they head to the Tower of London, where the

735
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 3: Queen's crown is kept. They use Herb's devices to try

736
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 3: to steal the crown, but then it gets delivered to

737
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 3: Queen Elizabeth voiced by Jennifer Saunders of Shrek to Fame.

738
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 2: No way, wait, I didn't know this.

739
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, she plays the fairy Godmother.

740
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: Whoa. Yeah, this isn't even a dream Works thing. It's

741
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: just a quizidence. That's nice.

742
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: It's that universal umbrella, I guess.

743
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, I love it.

744
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: So the minions are chasing Queen Elizabeth. They're flopping all

745
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: over London. There's a lot of you know, minions slapstick happening.

746
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 2: They get stomped on by the Beatles like it truly

747
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: is like all of these micro and I also feel like,

748
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 2: while this movie is such a global product, it also

749
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 2: feels weirdly personal to the like people at the top

750
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 2: of illumination who grew up in the sixties and seventies,

751
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: and that's why these Minions movies take place when the

752
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: creators of this product happen to be growing up. Like

753
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: there is also a level of like old guy nostalgia

754
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: to like, what if we put the Beatles in here,

755
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: what if we did this, what if we did this,

756
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: where it just clearly feels like stuff that like Pierre Goa,

757
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: Kyle Balta, and Chris Mellon Johnny liked when they were kids,

758
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: which is not a criticism, it's just like, yeah, it's

759
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: like they're doing the nostalgia thing. It's like if I

760
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: made a Minions movie and I should and was like,

761
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 2: and here's a Backstreet Boys you know whatever.

762
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 3: Oh, I can't wait till we get that in I

763
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 3: don't know, twenty thirty eight or sooner.

764
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, give me some credit. Yeah, I mean.

765
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: And every Minions movie tends to advance by like a

766
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: decade where they're in the sixties or in the seventies.

767
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: The next movie, theoretically they'll be in the eighties. We'll see.

768
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: Wow, I'll wait till the end of the recap to

769
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 3: get there, but I have a timeline criticism, but I'll

770
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: save it.

771
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,919
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, Okay. So the minions are.

772
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 3: Flopping all around town and some cops are chasing them,

773
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: so Bob pulls the legendary sword in the Stone out

774
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 3: of the Stone, I guess to like fight off the cops,

775
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: but that makes him the rightful King of England. So

776
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 3: Queen Elizabeth has to hand over her crown, which makes

777
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: Scarlett Overkill upset because she wants to be royalty. She

778
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 3: thinks the minions are betraying her and like claiming the

779
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: throne for themselves.

780
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 2: The girl bosses have turned on the minions. It's bad,

781
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: it's bad, but we do get the amazing. According to

782
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: second graders, because I've watched it with him, there's nothing

783
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: a seven year old loves more than the King Bob sequence.

784
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: It's so good.

785
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: Second Graders all love King Bob, especially because it's like,

786
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: I think Bob is probably the most emotionally intelligent, like

787
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 2: easy insert for kids, because it's like he's really excited

788
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: and then he gets the job of King of England

789
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden he's nervous and he

790
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: just wants his friends, and it's really cute, I know,

791
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: and they also destroy Buckingham Palace like they're agents of chaos.

792
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: I really don't think that if left in power, the

793
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: minions would colonized places. I think they would just jump

794
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 2: on the bed and like eat.

795
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: That's true, they would eat bananas.

796
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: Right, because we're told they're bad, but they're bad in

797
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 2: a directionless way. If left to their own devices, they

798
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: will just jump on the bed.

799
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they kill their bosses. So honestly they

800
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: should work for more evil people and then accidentally kill them.

801
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: I think we actually have to. We should be thanking

802
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 2: them for killing so many bad people.

803
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, anyways, we've also been periodically cutting to the

804
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: rest of the minions who are still in this arctic cave.

805
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: Kevin had called them at one point to tell them

806
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: that they have a new boss. So now all of

807
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: the other minions are on their way to England to

808
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: serve Scarlet overkill. Back in London, Scarlet storms in on

809
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: Bob Bean King. She's furious at the minions for betraying her,

810
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: but Bob willingly hands over the crown and his royal

811
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: position to Scarlet, even changing the laws to make that

812
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 3: legally possible.

813
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 2: He's just a baby.

814
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: He's just a little baby. And now the minions think

815
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: they're going to serve Scarlet, not that she's queen, but

816
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 3: instead she locks them in a dungeon, and this is

817
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: when herb tries to torture them and tries to hang Kevin.

818
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: Truly a shocking because they're like this setup is like, oh,

819
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get the minions with all these medieval torture devices,

820
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: which feels very you know, like loo ne toun and see.

821
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: And there's never a fear that the minions will actually

822
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: get hurt. It's nothing like that. But it's just like

823
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: the fact that they lead with I'm going to hang

824
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: the minions, which is something that like, I think they

825
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 2: should have maybe started that sequence with something that no

826
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: longer exists. But the fact that they started with publicly

827
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: hanging the minions, it was just wild. It was wild. Yeah,

828
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: and then Kevin goes whoop, he just falls through ough.

829
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, their little minion bodies.

830
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 2: I love them. I love them. They're so smooth, It's true.

831
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 3: Now they find a way to escape and they make

832
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 3: their way to Westminster Abbey, where Scarlet is getting ready

833
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: for her coronation, because they want to apologize to her,

834
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 3: but they accidentally almost kill her because again they're always

835
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 3: killing their bosses, by dropping a chandelier on her, and

836
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 3: Scarlet thinks that the minions did this intentionally, so she

837
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 3: sends all of the other villains slash like Wanta be

838
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 3: henchmen who were at villain con after the minions. Kevin,

839
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: Stuart and Bob get separated from each other during this chase,

840
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: and the bad guys capture Stuart and Bob.

841
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: What their plan is is so unclear where at some

842
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: point this movie just becomes like Scarlett v. Kevin and

843
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: you're just like, now, what did Kevin ever do to you?

844
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 3: And the answer is nothing.

845
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: All he ever did was love you.

846
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 3: But Scarlett threatens to kill Stuart and Bob if Kevin

847
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: doesn't come back by dawn. We cut back to Kevin.

848
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 3: He sneaks into Herb's room of super villain devices and

849
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 3: he accidentally ends up in this machine that makes him huge,

850
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: like the size of a ten story building, and he

851
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 3: saves Stuart and Bob, who are about to be blown up,

852
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 3: but Scarlett has this rocket dress that she's using to

853
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 3: attack them.

854
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: It's great, I mean, the Scarlet overkill looks are great

855
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: for me. I love it.

856
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 3: The other Minions, the ones who are in the cave,

857
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 3: they show up and she's trying to kill them too,

858
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: So Giant Kevin takes her rocket and he puts it

859
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: in his mouth, and then he grabs Scarlet and herb

860
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 3: and it seems like they're all about to exp blowed,

861
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 3: but surprise, Kevin is alive and he's back to his

862
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: normal size. So we're not really sure how that happens.

863
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: But No, it's important to emphasize the global impact of

864
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: when Kevin got big. Yes, no one saw it coming,

865
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: and I feel like at some point with the Minions

866
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 2: that they're also doing and despicable me for where they're

867
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 2: leading the marketing heavily with the Mega Minion Yes, which

868
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: I hope is not just an echo of We've had

869
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: evil Minions, We've had Mega Minions, We've had minions with

870
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 2: braces in the form of Auto in the Rise of Grow. Yeah,

871
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: Big Kevin was a watershed moment for Minions because you realize,

872
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: like they're little guys, but that's not always going to

873
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 2: be true. The fact that they blew Kevin up like

874
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 2: just again like cartoon violence moments that I feel like

875
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 2: rarely happened in contemporary movies where we talked about this

876
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: in some Pixar episode where like I expressed the frustration

877
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 2: of like it now feeling like there was a necessity

878
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: that a villain be redeemable or like defined by trauma,

879
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 2: or like that there would be some defense and that

880
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: like I understand the like I understand where that comes from,

881
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 2: but I just like don't find it very fun to watch,

882
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 2: to be like, at the end of Toy Story four,

883
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 2: if we forgive the villain and they were actually more

884
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 2: complicated than we realize, And then at the end of Minions,

885
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: Kevin blows up, like his whole body, he swallows a

886
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 2: rocket and he blows up, and then we are allowed

887
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 2: to believe if and it also like if I'm five

888
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 2: years old, I believe Kevin has died. Yeah, of course

889
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: the minions are humming taps, which is so funny because

890
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: also like theoretically this is the first minion to ever Yeah,

891
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 2: and then he's fine, Like I just I love that

892
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: sequence so much. It just it makes me happy that

893
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: we have our own Looney Tunes where you're like, he's immortal.

894
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: Kevin never truly blew up, but it's also like whatever

895
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 2: narratively important that Bob believed he could have died.

896
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 3: I mean, we got to feel those steaks somehow.

897
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: And then he has Poochy. Kids also love Poochy the

898
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 2: little rat. Yes, Bob's rat friend. Yeah wow, what a

899
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 2: special movie. Yeah yeah. Then they get knighted and you're

900
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 2: like all.

901
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 3: Right, okay, yeah, So here's how it ends. There's this

902
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 3: big celebration where Queen Elizabeth, who has been reinstated as

903
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: the royal leader, commends Kevin, Stuart and Bob for their

904
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 3: heroism gives them gifts nights Kevin, but oh no, Scarlet

905
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 3: shows up again and steals the Queen's crown, but she

906
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 3: is immediately stopped via an ice gun that belongs to

907
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 3: a drum roll please Guru, and the Minions see him

908
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 3: and they're like, hubba, hubba, who's that? And that's how

909
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 3: they find their new boss the end. And here's my

910
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: timeline issue. Okay, So Minions one takes place in nineteen

911
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 3: sixty eight. At the end of the movie, we see

912
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,959
Speaker 3: grew for the first time. He appears to be ten

913
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: eleven years old. Minions two takes place in nineteen seventy six.

914
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 3: That's eight years after the first movie, Grow says he's

915
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 3: almost twelve. So in eight years, Grew has aged nothing,

916
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 3: no amount of time. What's up with that?

917
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,800
Speaker 2: I don't have answers. I have no answers. I guess

918
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: what I can say is that Grew is obviously built different,

919
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: you know, but in terms of an answer, that's about

920
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: as close as I can get. Okay, yeah, No, I

921
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 2: don't know. And I feel like Grew will be thirteen

922
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: in Minions three and it will inevitably be nineteen eighty seven.

923
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: So I don't know. These movies are so vibes and

924
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: also like part of what I think, I just really

925
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 2: have a bone to pick with Grew, where he is

926
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: just like the like he is necessary. I feel like

927
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 2: this movie does prove he's necessary. You do need a

928
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: human character grounding all these little guys, and Scarlett Overkill

929
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 2: is comparatively random to have done. So, so I know

930
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 2: Grew's necessary, but it is kind of nice to have

931
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 2: one movie that it's like, oops, no groove. Yeah, but

932
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 2: Rise of Grew is a better movie.

933
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 3: I would agree with that it has a slightly more

934
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 3: cohesive story. Let's take a quick break and then we'll

935
00:53:51,040 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 3: come back to discuss.

936
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: And we're back here we are, Okay, where do you

937
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: want to start?

938
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 3: I would like to talk about the gender of the Minions.

939
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 2: Yes, which will directly intersect with a critical interview in

940
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: Minion's Lore with Pierre Coffin.

941
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 3: Yes. So here's my thing with it, where Minions creator

942
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 3: Pierre has said explicitly that the minions are all male. They,

943
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 3: of course, are always voiced by actors who are men,

944
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 3: including Pierre Koffin himself. He told The Rap in twenty

945
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 3: fifteen regarding the gender of the Minions quote, seeing how

946
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 3: dumb and stupid they often are, I just couldn't imagine

947
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 3: minions being girls unquote. First of all, using ablest language

948
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 3: to characterize the minions not cool.

949
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 2: I'll give him the pass of like we were also

950
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 2: using those words in twenty fifteen. Be serious, fair for fair. Yeah.

951
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 3: Secondly, yes, the minions are silly and slapsticky and childish,

952
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 3: and they're usually not able to apply logic in many situations.

953
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 3: But girls can be that way too. People of any

954
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 3: gender can be anything. And I'm sure Pierre meant this

955
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 3: as a compliment, but a very narrow view like this

956
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 3: perpetuates very rigid binary expectations. Of gender. And then I

957
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 3: was thinking about slapstick comedy as a medium or slapstick

958
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 3: humor in movies and entertainment, and yes, goofiness and physical

959
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 3: humor and slapstick has often been associated with men, and

960
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 3: especially white men. You've got your Charlie, Chaplin's, your Buster Keaton's,

961
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 3: the Marx Brothers, the Three Stooges.

962
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: Right, which has everything to do with like who is

963
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 2: a low to be in movies at that time?

964
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 3: For sure, women have been figures of slapstick comedy throughout history.

965
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 3: I was researching a few examples from like early Hollywood,

966
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 3: such as Mabel normand Marion Davies, Mary Pickford. There's of

967
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 3: course more recent contemporary examples actors like Kristen Wigg and

968
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 3: Melissa McCarthy. So women are participants of physical comedy and

969
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 3: slapstick humor in entertainment, but it's just that they're often

970
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 3: not associated with it, and they never get the same

971
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 3: level of fame and recognition. And I think what Pierre

972
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 3: actually is saying when he says this quote is I

973
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: don't think women are funny or capable of physical humor.

974
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 2: I think you're being really mean. I disagree with you.

975
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that where he's pulling from is

976
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 2: like a clear mid twenty tens feminism of this sort

977
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: of Like well, to imply that a woman would be

978
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 2: incompetent would be sexist, right, Like, it just feels like

979
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: a ret conning of like a million. I would really

980
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 2: be curious what the minions were originally intended to be.

981
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 2: I think that no one was really thinking about it.

982
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: They've always been given traditionally male names. Yeah, what I

983
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: wish she had said, because what I feel like is

984
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 2: probably closer to the truth is like I really liked

985
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: the Marx Brothers, and I just wanted to make a

986
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: million Marx Brothers. I do think that like there is

987
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: some like gender discrimination built into that. I don't think

988
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: it is like super villain levels of because again, like

989
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: the language fair enough, but like this is ten years

990
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: ago and those words were not commonly considered to be

991
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: ablest at that time. But I think even in twenty fifteen,

992
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: the decision to say definitively that all of these characters

993
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: are men is bizarre because why not just say they're

994
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: whoever you want them to be? I know, because I

995
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: feel like in children's media, especially like I would also

996
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: I think it would be weird if he was like, no,

997
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: explicitly some are women, some are not. Like it's more

998
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: just like who cares. They're little guys. Guys, but in

999
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 2: the genderless sense, like they're little guys, they're whoever you

1000
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 2: want them to be. If you think they're funny, then

1001
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 2: you like them. I think it's interesting that he went

1002
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 2: out of his way to declare them to be men.

1003
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: I don't think it makes them a bad person. I

1004
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: think it is an interesting choice given his background. And

1005
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: this is a little bit speculative. He had a French

1006
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: father and an Indonesian mother, and his mother was a

1007
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 2: very prominent Indonesian feminist novelist of her generation. So Pierre

1008
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 2: Cofet like, he's not just being like a d doi guy,

1009
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: like he grew up around feminism and feminist ideas, and

1010
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 2: so the fact that his most notorious creation he goes

1011
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: out of his way to say is explicitly male coded.

1012
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 2: I wonder what that is like. I wonder if it

1013
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: is like some like generational, Like I don't want to

1014
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 2: seem like I insulting women by implying that which I

1015
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: agree is completely misguided, and like slapstick is for people,

1016
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: people fall down like. But I do wonder if there

1017
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: is some like gen X disconnect happening here where it's

1018
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 2: clear that he definitely grew up around intense feminist ideas.

1019
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 2: His mother, I don't know how to pronounce her name, honestly,

1020
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with Indonesian culture, but her name, her

1021
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 2: first name is spelled NH, her last name is Deni,

1022
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 2: and she and his father they got married. His father

1023
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: was a diplomat, and she became a prominent Indonesian feminist novelist.

1024
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I mean, I don't feel comfortable

1025
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 2: speculating why anything happened in any direction, because when Pierre

1026
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 2: Koft gives interviews, he seems to have more of a

1027
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: bone to pick with his father than his mother. So,

1028
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: you know, I think it was the easier. It was

1029
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: like he had an issue with his mother's feminist ideas

1030
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: and wanted to repel. I don't think that that's actually

1031
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 2: the case. It seems like he had a lot of

1032
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 2: love for his mother. She passed in twenty eighteen, so

1033
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: she also lived to see the minions. Both of his

1034
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 2: parents did. What he says in a twenty fifteen interview

1035
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 2: with a Guardian to promote this movie is that Minions

1036
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: were not particularly inspired by his parents, because he found

1037
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 2: his parents, as a serious novelist and a diplomat, to

1038
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 2: not be very funny, and that he was interested in cartoons.

1039
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: He was interested in humor, and it wasn't necessarily something

1040
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 2: that was encouraged, so he says in this interview quote,

1041
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: my dad said watching TV was too passive and didn't

1042
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: make you think. So I found this other side. I

1043
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 2: needed some sort of distractions, so I drew a lot,

1044
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 2: I read a lot, and I listened to a lot

1045
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 2: of music. But I never considered a career in the arts.

1046
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: I was surrounded by people who were better than me,

1047
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 2: but that gave me inspiration to find out how they

1048
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: did it better. A diplomat isn't like a really funny guy,

1049
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 2: and my mom's stories are biography is mostly about how

1050
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 2: she used to live in Indonesia during the Dutch colonies,

1051
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,520
Speaker 2: so it wasn't really fun. I have no clue where

1052
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 2: that humorous gene comes from, but France does have a

1053
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: culture of cartoons. And then, speaking to his parents a

1054
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 2: little later, he talks about how his kids inspire Minion's

1055
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 2: jokes and whether they work or not. But in twenty fifteen,

1056
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 2: so a few years prior to his mother's death, he says, quote,

1057
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: my mom had the life of an artist, so I'm

1058
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,439
Speaker 2: living her dream a little bit, and she's super proud

1059
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 2: of me. But my father, who is nearly ninety, it's

1060
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 2: fair to say he's not really embracing my success. This

1061
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 2: is not serious for him. As soon as I started

1062
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 2: saying I really want to make movies. I'm not going

1063
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: to say he never helped me, but he never encouraged

1064
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 2: me to do this. We're not getting along that well

1065
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 2: because he's got that little resentment about him being wrong

1066
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 2: and not admitting it. So it's very tricky. He always

1067
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 2: has this idea of me working in show business, meaning

1068
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 2: that I'm strange. He never wanted me to do this.

1069
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 2: He never wanted me to have a serious job. And

1070
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: that's how the interview ends. WHOA And So I do

1071
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 2: think it's fascinating when like you have something like The Minions,

1072
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 2: where this like cultural symbol at this point that work

1073
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 2: invented as and he like talks about this in the interview,

1074
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 2: how he wasn't thinking particularly hard about The Minions indspicable

1075
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,160
Speaker 2: me one. He was thinking like what is like a

1076
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 2: funny like I need minions, but I need like these

1077
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 2: assistants for grew. But the difference that will endure the

1078
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 2: audience is that he will know all of their names,

1079
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 2: and now will make kids and audiences think like, oh,

1080
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 2: they all have names. He knows their names, maybe he's

1081
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 2: not such a bad guy. And then the only other

1082
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: thing he was thinking about with the minions per this

1083
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 2: interview is that they need to be, you know, sweet

1084
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: enough that who knows their names, and they have to

1085
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: be easy for kids to draw, which they definitely are. Yeah,

1086
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 2: And that was it, And so I don't know. I

1087
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 2: just think it is like, really really fascinating that the

1088
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: son of this prominent feminist went out of his way

1089
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: to say all these cruisiers are men. But it's because

1090
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 2: he thinks men are less smart than women. I think

1091
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of like, ultimately he's wrong, right,

1092
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 2: like that anyone of any gender should be welcome into

1093
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 2: this world of slapstick. I don't understand to this day

1094
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 2: of why he wouldn't have just said, I don't know,

1095
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 2: whatever you want. I feel like that is the smartest

1096
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 2: answer across children's media, or maybe just art in general.

1097
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 2: To be like, I don't have to answer that question, Like,

1098
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 2: I don't owe you that answer, right. I will always

1099
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 2: think it's confusing that he did. But I'm a Pierre

1100
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 2: co Fen defender. I don't think that he did any

1101
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 2: of this maliciously based on how I knew he grew up.

1102
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't think it's malicious. I think it's

1103
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 3: more just like he has the way many people still

1104
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 3: do a kind of narrow view of gender. And the

1105
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 3: other thing I think is fascinating is the Minions are

1106
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 3: just far more gender fluid or gender neutral than Pierre

1107
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 3: gives them credit for. Yeah, they are male coded, but

1108
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:25,919
Speaker 3: we often see them in drag. Right, they're dressing up

1109
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 3: as a woman to go to the Tower of London.

1110
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 2: Which is like so bugs bunny coded. I can't understand it. Like, yeah,

1111
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 2: the history of drag within cartoons is like I love

1112
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 2: that the Minions are continuing that tradition.

1113
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 3: M hm in Minions to one of them dresses in

1114
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 3: drag to pick up grew from school pretending to be

1115
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 3: his mom.

1116
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 2: Bob's and drag on the plane one of the greatest

1117
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the Minions plan scene is like one of

1118
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 2: the greatest sequences in comedy. It is, it just is.

1119
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 3: It's very funny Bob wears a thong even though he's

1120
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 3: a baby, so that's curious.

1121
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 2: But like, what does a baby mean in minions years

1122
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 2: I just would say, you know, don't overthink it.

1123
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 3: Well that's true. Yeah, you're right, you're right. So there's

1124
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 3: the many drag examples. Again, Physically, their body shape isn't

1125
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 3: associated with any gender. They are just little tic TACs,

1126
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 3: little pills.

1127
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1128
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 3: I also feel like their voices could be interpreted as

1129
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 3: being gender neutral.

1130
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's certainly like as far as I know, like

1131
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: edited right.

1132
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think the minions are actually genderless icons.

1133
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be happy to defer to the fan

1134
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: base and this over the creator. I think that, like,

1135
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 2: I want to believe that the creator would defer to Like,

1136
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: it would be really weird and telling if you was like, no, no, no,

1137
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 2: I'm not open to other answers, Like, I'd be curious

1138
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,400
Speaker 2: if someone asked him this question again ten years later.

1139
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 2: Because it's also whatever the way that like stuff is

1140
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: presented in media, it felt like that headline was presented

1141
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 2: as a more like definitive thing than it actually was.

1142
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 2: Were what he's saying is like, well, I always thought

1143
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 2: about it like this for this reason, and that was

1144
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 2: made the headline of like, right, Pierre Coffences, minions are men,

1145
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 2: and you're just like, yes, that is what he said,

1146
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 2: but it wasn't like I feel like it's presented as

1147
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 2: like he was saying it with his whole chest, Like

1148
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 2: I'd be curious to hear this conversation revisited because I

1149
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 2: feel like the Minions should be interpreted as like the

1150
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: Minions or whoever you want them to be. Yeah, they

1151
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 2: should be, you know, open to any gender identity. They're

1152
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 2: so special.

1153
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 3: I agree. Do you have anything else to say about

1154
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 3: the Minions themsels selves?

1155
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: The Minions themselves, I don't think so. Yeah. No, I

1156
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 2: just I think that they're the best. I love them.

1157
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 2: Let's see if I have anything else about them. I mean,

1158
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 2: I have a few more things about Scarlette overkill same,

1159
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 2: But in the primary sense, no, I think like the Minions,

1160
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 2: I wish that they were open to any gender identity.

1161
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 2: And I still think that that is possible because, first

1162
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 2: of all, like the Minions are out of Puerkofan's hands

1163
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: at this point. I don't mean to say that his

1164
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 2: anymore than I feel like JK. Rowling is an easy

1165
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 2: comp there of like that the creator's opinion, Like you

1166
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 2: do not need to live and die by it. It's like,

1167
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 2: if it's important to you, interpret it as you will.

1168
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 2: But I just wanted to give more context for his

1169
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: stuff because I feel like he's been presented as sort

1170
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 2: of someone who is like, no, they're men, and like

1171
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 2: I just don't it doesn't seem to be true. Yeah,

1172
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 2: but that's all I have to say about the minions

1173
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 2: other than Kevin is the best one.

1174
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 3: Well, but then consider Bob.

1175
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 2: And then I say Bob, and I'm kind of like,

1176
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 2: grow up. I'm kind of like.

1177
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 3: We'll see Kevin just like doesn't really know how to

1178
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 3: have fun. Stuart knows how to have fun. Bob knows

1179
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 3: how to have fun. Kevin sort of like the straight man.

1180
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but like, how are we gonna get anything

1181
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 2: done if Kevin isn't showing up to work. Kevin is

1182
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 2: not pursuing fire hydrants or feral rats, He's at work. Okay.

1183
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 3: If I had to determine which minion I was, I

1184
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 3: think it would be Kevin because I often am like,

1185
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 3: all right, let's get shit done.

1186
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 2: But I don't think I would be Kevin, but I

1187
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 2: like I'm drawn to Kevin. I don't even know who

1188
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 2: I would be of the three. I have no idea.

1189
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 3: Maybe you are Bob and so it's an interesting flip,

1190
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 3: and that's why you and I are drawn to each other.

1191
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 2: Wow, that's beautiful. I wish I had I liked that,

1192
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: Like Bob has kind of like Kate Bosworth eyes.

1193
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what's that called when your eyes are two

1194
01:08:58,960 --> 01:08:59,799
Speaker 3: different colors?

1195
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 2: I forget, I forget what it's called, but I think

1196
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 2: it is like both just like a very sweet feature

1197
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 2: on that character, and also makes sense when you really

1198
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 2: need people to be able to tell minions apart because

1199
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 2: they looks so similar.

1200
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyway, I think that who we are and who

1201
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,959
Speaker 3: we are drawn to can be very different characters. That's beautiful.

1202
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 2: That's beautiful.

1203
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Scarlet Overkill.

1204
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 2: Let's do it.

1205
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 3: So when she is first spoken about, before we even

1206
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 3: meet her on screen, there's like a news broadcast about

1207
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 3: villain con saying there's a new bad man in town

1208
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 3: and that man is a woman.

1209
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like that was like a tongue in

1210
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 2: cheek nineteen sixty eight thing.

1211
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 3: Oh for sure, yeah, yeah, and then she's announced at

1212
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 3: Villain Con as being the world's first female supervillain. So

1213
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 3: the Minion world, the world that this movie takes place within,

1214
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 3: is presum be a patriarchal place like ours.

1215
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem to be like alternate timeline. It just

1216
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 2: seems like we as people have neglected to see the

1217
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 2: influence the Manias have had on our world.

1218
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 3: Right, So she's rising to fame and notoriety in this

1219
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 3: patriarchal world where villains have historically been men, and she's like, no,

1220
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to break the glass ceiling, the villain glass ceiling,

1221
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna be first. That's right, the first super

1222
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 3: villain who's a woman. And she's like the favorite among everyone.

1223
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 3: Everyone wants to work for her. The minions want to

1224
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 3: work for her. We have that scene with the little

1225
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 3: girl who's like you know in the bank robber family.

1226
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 3: She's in the car and she's telling one of the

1227
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 3: minions that she really looks up to Scarlet.

1228
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 2: What are the more impact full women in the plot line,

1229
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: I would say, is this little girl?

1230
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she's like, wow, I want to be a supervillain.

1231
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 3: Here's this super villain who's a woman who I can

1232
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 3: look up to and be inspired by, and that's why

1233
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:21,799
Speaker 3: representation matters. But then we have this presentation from Scarlett

1234
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 3: who says, like, when I first started, people said I

1235
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 3: could never rob a bank as well as a man.

1236
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 3: Well times change, So she faced sexist backlash when she

1237
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 3: was you know, I guess a young woman trying to

1238
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 3: be a villain and a bunch of men told her

1239
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,600
Speaker 3: she couldn't do it. Maybe women also told her she

1240
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 3: couldn't do it.

1241
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 2: Right, which is very like in line with the like

1242
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 2: Girl Boss narrative of like other people doubted my ability

1243
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 2: to do the same evil thing, and like it feels

1244
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 2: like intentional enough where I mean, I don't know, because

1245
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 2: I know that we weren't quite having that conversation now

1246
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 2: where it was like twenty fifteen. Any woman in power

1247
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 2: is a force of good, yeah, and so maybe it's

1248
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 2: just like that era. But she's also being coded as

1249
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 2: a villain. I wish we had her resume. I know

1250
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,640
Speaker 2: that it would be harmful to have her resume, but

1251
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:17,759
Speaker 2: I would just be curious.

1252
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 3: It seems like she's just stealing stuff.

1253
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, she seems kind of like a petty criminal and

1254
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, meanwhile, there's Queen Elizabeth, like, you know, who

1255
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 2: ends up being a hero of this story because this

1256
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 2: movie has to play in every single theater in the world,

1257
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,599
Speaker 2: and you can't actually say anything overtly political.

1258
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:39,960
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so she is the villain of the movie.

1259
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:47,560
Speaker 3: She did face adversity, becoming the most powerful villain villain con.

1260
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 2: At least, so did Sheryl Sandberg's it pushing like, she

1261
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 2: is good.

1262
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 3: At fighting, so you know, we see her fight off

1263
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 3: a bunch of men and so that was impressive. We

1264
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:03,480
Speaker 3: also have see Queen Elizabeth kick some people's.

1265
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 2: Ass, but I feel like that is actually maybe actively harmful.

1266
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 2: Is like showing at that time a living colonizer to

1267
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 2: be like a fun, no nonsense girl.

1268
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

1269
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, that's one of the most notorious

1270
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 2: colonists that's alive. Like, I wish Bob had killed her.

1271
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 3: I tell me about it. You should have taken that

1272
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 3: sword and chopped her head off.

1273
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1274
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 3: I think that scene where she's in the pub after

1275
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:36,400
Speaker 3: she has been dethroned and she's like telling stories and

1276
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 3: drinking pints of beer and stuff like that. I was

1277
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 3: getting very rose from Titanic vibes or she like gulps

1278
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 3: down some beer and I almost expected her to be like,

1279
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 3: what you think a first class girl can't drink?

1280
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,879
Speaker 2: I mean I think that like devoid of any historical context.

1281
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 2: That was like kind of a funny beat.

1282
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 3: H Yeah. The other thing I guess with Scarlet's character

1283
01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 3: for me is that And we've had this conver station

1284
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 3: over and over again at this point. But in animation,

1285
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 3: men are often designed to be whatever body shape and size,

1286
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 3: but women, or at least the main characters who have

1287
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 3: narrative significance in a movie who are women, often have

1288
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 3: very you know, Western beauty standards bodies. Yeah, there's even

1289
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 3: this like random scene in the movie where herb is

1290
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 3: tightening her corset and she's like, must have tiny waist,

1291
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 3: And I'm like, why is this scene in the movie.

1292
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 3: It has nothing to do with anything, Yeah, but it

1293
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 3: just feels like it's emphasizing the fact that she has

1294
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 3: like a very.

1295
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 2: Small waist, which is true. Like if I were them,

1296
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 2: I would not be pointing out how very much you're

1297
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 2: leading it, because I mean the whole franchise is guilty

1298
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 2: of that, including like the design of the christed Wig character.

1299
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 2: I feel like the most purport like the children are

1300
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 2: a little more proportionally normal. But there are characters that

1301
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 2: are not wildly thin in terms of like women in

1302
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 2: this franchise, But there are never characters that are presented

1303
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,640
Speaker 2: as desirable or meaningful in terms of adult women that

1304
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:13,639
Speaker 2: are presented as narratively important. It's very all the same.

1305
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 2: And that's also true in Rise of Grow, where the

1306
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 2: most important supervillain is still very very thin.

1307
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 3: Yes, I will say that Rise of grou has a

1308
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 3: little bit more racial diversity than the first Minions movie

1309
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 3: because it's almost all white characters, at least the human characters. Yeah,

1310
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 3: in the movie. And I feel like that's pretty true

1311
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 3: of the Despicable Me movies as well. So yeah, a

1312
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 3: lot of like harmful tropes of animation present in this movie.

1313
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:54,679
Speaker 3: There's the i would say, queer coded stylist character who

1314
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 3: gives Scarlet like a makeover right before she's about to

1315
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 3: be crowned the queen. So we have that trophy character.

1316
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:11,600
Speaker 3: His name is Fabrice, not unlike Fabricio. Yes, So just

1317
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 3: pointing that out something to think about, something to make

1318
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 3: you think. I don't know if I have much else

1319
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 3: to say.

1320
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 2: The only other thing I would say about Scarlett Overkill

1321
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 2: that I would say is positive is that I think

1322
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 2: it is generally good to have a woman villain, and like,

1323
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 2: in keeping with the like I think I'm doing a

1324
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 2: good thing, but I'm actually out of touch vibe that

1325
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 2: Pierre Coffin had when he was like, no, the minions

1326
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 2: are men, because I don't think women would be so

1327
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 2: not smart, you know, Like I'm glad that there is

1328
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 2: a woman villain and that that woman villain has a

1329
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 2: loving partner that she also loves. I feel like that

1330
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:05,559
Speaker 2: is very rare and that you are often encouraged to

1331
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 2: see when you do get a woman villain. That part

1332
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 2: of why she is a villain is because she has

1333
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 2: a loveless life and that she resents the world and

1334
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 2: like she's getting back at the world because she doesn't

1335
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 2: have a boyfriend, and like this movie does pretty clearly

1336
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 2: subvert that. I honestly, the first time I saw this movie,

1337
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 2: I remember thinking that like herb was gonna end up

1338
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 2: being evil and like resent her and want to get

1339
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 2: But that relationship is presented kind of matter of factly,

1340
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 2: like where she's the dominant person in this relationship.

1341
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 3: He's her minion kind of yeah.

1342
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 2: I mean, even though she's a piece of shit to

1343
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 2: everyone else, including Kevin, it is kind of rare to

1344
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 2: see a woman villain who has like who has a

1345
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 2: loving relationship like that is not the source of the villainy.

1346
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 2: And you know, it is kind of like lazy to

1347
01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 2: be like, oh, it's some YadA YadA childhood something, but

1348
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 2: I genuinely prefer that to like, I don't have a boyfriend,

1349
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 2: so I'm going to be the Queen of Angelt or whatever,

1350
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 2: because I feel like that it's like a common fallback on,

1351
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 2: like a woman scorned. So I just wanted to point

1352
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 2: that out. I don't think herb is a great character.

1353
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 2: I like, I totally agree that like the celebrity stunt casting,

1354
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 2: I can take care to leave it. I don't think

1355
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 2: it's like an active hindrance to enjoying the movie.

1356
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: Hmm.

1357
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 2: But I do like that at least they didn't fall

1358
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 2: back on so many women villains that it's like always

1359
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 2: exciting to get one, and then I feel like occasionally

1360
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 2: or often it's like it's because this guy didn't love me, like,

1361
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,839
Speaker 2: and that's not the case here, right, So that's nice.

1362
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 3: What is the case now that I'm thinking about it,

1363
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 3: and maybe I'm overthinking it, but she makes a reference

1364
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 3: to how when she was younger, she was penniless and

1365
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 3: maybe implies that no one likes her because of that,

1366
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 3: and that's why she's so hell bent on like being

1367
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 3: a princess and having a crown and being royal. So

1368
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 3: there's like a class element to it, which kind of

1369
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:11,799
Speaker 3: implies that, like, which.

1370
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 2: At least seems more I don't know. I mean, no

1371
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:16,799
Speaker 2: matter what the reason is, the movie is not implying

1372
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: that she's right to think it, right, but at least

1373
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 2: that's something that like, I haven't seen as much of,

1374
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 2: Like it's rooted in her own class anxiety and feeling

1375
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 2: of rejection on the basis of class. Which there's plenty

1376
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 2: of villains you could put in that category two and

1377
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 2: they all suck because they're villains. But like a woman

1378
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 2: villain whose like root issue is class anxiety, it feels

1379
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 2: a little less usual.

1380
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:45,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting, villain avoids some tropes.

1381
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 2: I think she's like a better villain than we have

1382
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:52,719
Speaker 2: too many villains in the second Minions movie, The Whole Crew, Yeah,

1383
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 2: which I know is the point, but I mean, I

1384
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 2: like Scarlett overkill and I also like, don't miss her

1385
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 2: when she's trapped in ice or whatever. But yeah, I

1386
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 2: know that she is sort of the groove stand in

1387
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 2: for this movie because they need a person around for

1388
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 2: it to work. Yeah, and she's fine, she's fine. They

1389
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 2: certainly could have done much worse. And the fact that

1390
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 2: they went with a woman in the first place, I mean,

1391
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 2: I'm probably over rewarding them. But like in a kid's

1392
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 2: movie with a villain, I mean, what Disney movie that

1393
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,160
Speaker 2: was formative for us? Could you say that for It's

1394
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 2: weirdly like older movies like Witches and blah blah blah.

1395
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 3: Like Ursula. Yeah, that's true, there's some but as we've

1396
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 3: pointed out on the podcast before, there's a trend of

1397
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:46,639
Speaker 3: if the protagonist is a woman, that's the only condition

1398
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 3: where the villain would also be a woman, as if

1399
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 3: to say, sure, a woman could not be a formidable

1400
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,559
Speaker 3: opponent if the protagonist was a man.

1401
01:20:55,439 --> 01:20:59,200
Speaker 2: So not true here, not because we've been aggressively told

1402
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 2: they're all men. Yeah. So, and the fact that the

1403
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 2: Medians they genuinely do just want the most evil boss.

1404
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 2: They're not concerned about the gender of the boss. They

1405
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 2: were like, oh, Scarlett over kills the best evil person

1406
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 2: great like you know which I don't know. These movies

1407
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 2: are not meant to shape your mind in any way,

1408
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,879
Speaker 2: shape or form like whatever. I don't think it passes

1409
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 2: the Bechdel test, and I'm giving it five nipples.

1410
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 3: The closest thing I could come to it possibly passing because.

1411
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 2: In the car.

1412
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 3: It's in the car. Tina is the little girl in

1413
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 3: the robber family. She says, after the bank robbery, I

1414
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:46,759
Speaker 3: tripped the alarm. I stink. Her dad says, you're still learning.

1415
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 3: Her mom chimes in and says, your father's right, Tina,

1416
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 3: he wasn't this good at being evil overnight? Your time

1417
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 3: is coming. Tina doesn't respond. So at no point are women,

1418
01:21:59,720 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 3: you know, characters who are women, are girls actually meaningfully interacting?

1419
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say a.

1420
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I would say no. It doesn't pass the

1421
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 2: Baxxel test. It doesn't meaningfully move the needle I think

1422
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,839
Speaker 2: in any direction, like I don't think this is pushing

1423
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 2: forwards or backwards. I'm giving it five nipples. I'm going

1424
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 2: first today. I've decided, Oh no, that's fine. I'm giving

1425
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 2: it five nipples because I like it and it's fun.

1426
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:35,599
Speaker 2: To Me, and I'm giving one to Bob, giving one

1427
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 2: to Stewart, I'm giving one to Kevin, I'm giving one

1428
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,879
Speaker 2: to Scarlet overkill It, and I'm giving one to Poucci.

1429
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 2: And That's what I'm doing. I love them and I

1430
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 2: can't wait to see Despicable before. Oh wait, the last

1431
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 2: thing I wanted to say was that I really like

1432
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 2: the Minions movies compared to the Despicable movies, because the

1433
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 2: Despicable Me movies do something that I feel like a

1434
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:06,719
Speaker 2: lot of kids' movies do that. It's whatever the Despicable

1435
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:14,759
Speaker 2: of Me movies are predicated on grew adopting three children. Yes, fine,

1436
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,720
Speaker 2: adoption is a very complicated conversation. But I feel like

1437
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 2: the Despicable Me movies have like a more traditional agenda

1438
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 2: of like reinforcing nuclear family values, because as the movies

1439
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,639
Speaker 2: go on, at first it's like he's a single father

1440
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 2: with three adopted daughters and they're very happy. But then

1441
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 2: as the movies go on, it's like, but he needs

1442
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 2: a wife. And Despicable of Me two and like I,

1443
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 2: Despicable Me three can't speak to it. Haven't seen It'spicable

1444
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:41,959
Speaker 2: of Me four. He and Kristin wigwife have a baby,

1445
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 2: and it's just like building out. That's the premise of

1446
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 2: the fourth movies. Now there's evil baby.

1447
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 3: He already has a baby. It's Bob exactly.

1448
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 2: I mean it's like that. I really do feel like

1449
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 2: that side of the franchise grows increasingly entrenched in these

1450
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 2: very traditional family values, which is also not where it's

1451
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 2: coming from. It comes from a like less traditional family. Yeah,

1452
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 2: but it grows increasingly traditional as the movies go on

1453
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 2: in a way that just like doesn't feel whatever. A

1454
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 2: family is a family, but it just feels like a

1455
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 2: little like growing increasingly conservative in its values, whereas the

1456
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 2: Minions movies are minions, bonking minions on the head, which

1457
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 2: is literally all anyone wants anyways, So Minius movies are superior.

1458
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 2: Minions three comes out on July fourth, twenty twenty five.

1459
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 3: See there, whoa yeah, God bless America. Just kidding. Well, yeah,

1460
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 3: I'll be there, I'll see it.

1461
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 2: I was like, anyways, we'll be there. What is your

1462
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 2: nipple scale rating for Minions?

1463
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Since I don't feel any need to

1464
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 3: take the nipple scale seriously on this episode, because we

1465
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 3: normally take it so seriously.

1466
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 2: This is silly one.

1467
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:01,080
Speaker 3: This is the most important metric of all time. So

1468
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 3: we normally, you know, take careful consideration, but this time

1469
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 3: I'll give it. Why not. I'll also give it five nipples. Yeah,

1470
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 3: and I'm giving them to Bob and I'm giving them

1471
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 3: to his little teddy bear, Tim.

1472
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I forgot about Tim. Bob is a sweetie. I

1473
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,719
Speaker 2: just love them all. And also the Despicable b movies

1474
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 2: feature like B side minions, like they for some reason

1475
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 2: don't prominently feature the minions that we know and love,

1476
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 2: like they're like mel Chris, who I don't know them?

1477
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 2: Where's Kevin?

1478
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 3: Where's Kevin? Or Stewart Wor's Bob? And then in minions too,

1479
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 3: Auto and I love Auto, Auto.

1480
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 2: Rocks Auto has a pet rock. Oh that's right, I

1481
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 2: love Auto. Yeah, and he has braces. I like, they're like,

1482
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 2: how do we differentiate this minion? He has braces? Who

1483
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 2: gave him the braces? Don't worry about it? What does

1484
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 2: he get them off? Probably never?

1485
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 3: Never? Yeah, it'll be so many years because they're immortal.

1486
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 2: They're like Tuck ever lad they're the Collins, like they

1487
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:12,559
Speaker 2: just do not die. And I'm grateful for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, listeners that has been our Minions episode. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for tuning in. Thank you so much. I'm in a

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Speaker 3: great mood. We I guess have to cover the other

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Speaker 3: movies that have Minions in them. I feel like a

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Speaker 3: precedent has been set.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you enjoyed this episode, please let us know.

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Speaker 2: Like we've covered just yes, well, this is a great transition.

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Speaker 2: of over one hundred and fifty episodes. And yes, one

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Speaker 2: of those episodes is about Despicable Me one. If you

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Speaker 2: want to hear more, please let us know because we

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Speaker 2: want to.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we do. I have to talk about Bob as

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Speaker 3: much as possible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then you can also follow us on social media,

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Speaker 3: mostly Instagram. At this point at Bechdel Cast, you can

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Speaker 3: go to our merch store at teapublic dot com slash

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Speaker 3: the Bechdel Cast. I feel like we need some Minions merch, Jamie,

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Speaker 3: not to put you on the spot.

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Speaker 2: But I'll get right on it. I'll get right on that.

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Speaker 2: We have Baby Grinch, like, come.

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Speaker 3: On, come on, we have that and not minions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what the heck? I know it's on me.

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Speaker 3: So thanks for listening, and poopie poopye. The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 3: is a production of iHeartMedia, hosted by Caitlin Derante and

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Speaker 3: Jamie Loftus, produced by Sophie Lichterman, edited by Mola Board.

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Speaker 3: Our theme song was composed by Mike Kaplan with vocals

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Speaker 3: by Catherine Volskrosenski. Logo in merch is designed by Jamie

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Speaker 3: Loftus and a special thanks to Aristotle Acevedo. For more

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