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Speaker 2: hits the under by half a point. John Middlecoff, former
Speaker 2: NFL scout three and out, who knows the Niners very
Speaker 2: very well. You know, I had said this about Andy Reid.
Speaker 2: If I look at Bill Belichick's career, it is overwhelmingly
Speaker 2: tied to one player. I mean, they were bad in
Speaker 2: New England before Brady, they were bad after him, weren't
Speaker 2: very good in Cleveland. I you know, I'll say this,
Speaker 2: we don't consider Bill Russell with eleven rings better than
Speaker 2: Jordan was six. I think Mahomes is the best quarterback
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. I think Andy Reads the best coach
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. He's not tied. Donovan McNabb was a
Speaker 2: B minus quarterback. He us al was inaccurate. He was
Speaker 2: an athlete, not ideal size. You know, he's always a
Speaker 2: short hop stuff. He was kind of like he was
Speaker 2: a good quarterback.
Speaker 3: He was out of shape in the Super Bowl, Colin,
Speaker 3: I mean, he's just throwing up in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I mean I just feel like Andy, who always gave
Speaker 2: Belichick problems even with second tier quarterbacks. I think Andy's
Speaker 2: a better coach than Belichick. First of all. When that
Speaker 2: when you go to overtime, we're all just I mean,
Speaker 2: Romo and Nance are like, oh, this is Andy Reid,
Speaker 2: this is this is this is almost unfair. I mean,
Speaker 2: Andy hide stuff so much in New England's success was
Speaker 2: tied to an offensive line coach. I mean, if you
Speaker 2: go look when Scott Poldie leaves in the last eight
Speaker 2: or nine drafts, when Bill controlled him, he didn't draft well,
Speaker 2: he's toned. He's allergic to offense. Once he lost offensive people,
Speaker 2: Bill really regress badly. I think you look at Andy
Speaker 2: Reid's coaching tree, his ability to adapt win with multiple quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: multiple coordinators. I think Andy's the best football coach since
Speaker 2: Bill Walsh. That's my take. You know, again, Bill Russell
Speaker 2: had some advantages. You know, it was read our bocket
Speaker 2: were fewer teams and Bill. I'm not in no way
Speaker 2: saying Bill I mean, listen, he helps find Dante's Karneki.
Speaker 2: He you know, helped he drafted Brady I think, but
Speaker 2: I think Andy Reid. I mean, we think Shanahan is elite.
Speaker 2: We both do top three or four coach in the year.
Speaker 2: That game comes down to that last drive. I mean
Speaker 2: you have to acknowledge that. And he's doing stuff. They're
Speaker 2: hiding stuff they haven't used. I don't know when I
Speaker 2: watched When I watch Andy Reid's teams in big games,
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the best coach off a bye of
Speaker 2: all time. He's now very close to being the best
Speaker 2: big game coach ever. They win more close games, more
Speaker 2: games they've trailed in the half. I'm not in any
Speaker 2: way discounting Mahomes's ability, but shit, that last drive in overtime,
Speaker 2: it is so clever. I mean, how many third and
Speaker 2: twos and fourth and twos did they run a play?
Speaker 2: And you're like, oh, they haven't seen that one this year.
Speaker 2: I don't know where do we classify Andy Reid?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think he's definitely you know, Walsh
Speaker 3: is going to go down as probably the most famous
Speaker 3: coach of all time, right there with Lombardi. Right when
Speaker 3: you close your eyes. You say the NFL, you'd go
Speaker 3: Walsh Lombardi, and you said Belichick two. You know, Walsh
Speaker 3: won three Super Bowls. People forget Sea for one to two, right,
Speaker 3: So Andy now has three. One thing that's not debatable
Speaker 3: with him and Bill because I do think Bill has
Speaker 3: taken some unfair criticism, Like we watched him make incredible
Speaker 3: moves in the biggest games, from double passes to not
Speaker 3: calling the time out against Pete Carroll to embarrassing Sean McVay,
Speaker 3: who granted was like thirty four at the time, but
Speaker 3: still they scored three points in the Super Bowl when
Speaker 3: their teams are not Super Bowl contenders, right. And Andy's
Speaker 3: proven it with he was making the playoffs with Jeff Garcia,
Speaker 3: he had Alex Smith competing to win that division when
Speaker 3: Peyton Manning was in it. You remove Tom Brady, the
Speaker 3: team is horrendous, awful. And I would say if you
Speaker 3: just factor in the errors eras and you've talked about
Speaker 3: this Belichick and and Era, where defense is physical is
Speaker 3: cream of the cromp Right. He was developing defensive game
Speaker 3: plans for Parcels to take out Walsh in Montana. Early
Speaker 3: on in Brady, he had those physical teams taking out
Speaker 3: Marshall Fulk in the Super Bowl, some of the great
Speaker 3: game plans. But that league no longer exists. The league
Speaker 3: we're in now is Kyle Shannan, Sean McVay, Andy Reid
Speaker 3: offensive league, innovative. How to get first downs is just,
Speaker 3: if not more important than defense. And Andy's the best.
Speaker 3: It's not even close. And I think anyone that knows him,
Speaker 3: and I knew him before he had a Super Bowl,
Speaker 3: He's just an incredible human being. You know, That's one thing.
Speaker 3: People defend Belichick that have been around him because they
Speaker 3: had a lot of success around him. People defend Andy
Speaker 3: that have been around him before he won it because
Speaker 3: they liked him because what he the way he treated people,
Speaker 3: the way he acted in the office, the way he
Speaker 3: was to coaches. Look at his coaching tree, Like if
Speaker 3: you factor that in. One thing Bill Walsh got a
Speaker 3: lot of credit for right was one super Bowls always
Speaker 3: pivot off players and found guys like I don't know,
Speaker 3: Mike Holmgren, George Seffert who then let it. They had
Speaker 3: this you know, kind of opening with what came with
Speaker 3: coaches that became ran the league. Bill Bill was the
Speaker 3: opposite right. Look at Andy's coaching tree. It's freaking incredible,
Speaker 3: and will those guys swear by him?
Speaker 2: Matt Naggi is considered a miss in a time when
Speaker 2: Stafford Rogers and Kirk Cousins were in their prime. He
Speaker 2: got Mits Trubisky to the playoffs twice.
Speaker 3: Is one of the I think mister Whisky was like
Speaker 3: the worst contract in the league. He made eight million
Speaker 3: dollars and he's not even He's barely a third string quarterback.
Speaker 3: Matt Naggi's gonna be head coach in the NFL again.
Speaker 3: Promise he will be. You know who likes him the
Speaker 3: most on the staff beside Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes like,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm giving that guy some credit of understanding
Speaker 3: what what can coach?
Speaker 2: Or not?
Speaker 3: Nobody Bill waltsh would have struggled with mister Bisky. How
Speaker 3: many games with Belichick? Of won with mister Bisky? The guy?
Speaker 3: The guy can't hit water if he's sitting on a
Speaker 3: boat in the middle of the ocean. So I listen,
Speaker 3: I think Andy Reid. The scary part is Colin He's
Speaker 3: just not done. Like all this retirement talk. Andy's he's not.
Speaker 2: A fisher and also to your point, they'll move off
Speaker 2: Chris Jones. They've got They've done a good job drafting
Speaker 2: carl Offtis and some other players. They got some pass rush,
Speaker 2: so they'll move off Chris. They'll probably try to get
Speaker 2: Kelsey to sign another deal. But I mean they're not
Speaker 2: I mean, they're the smart teams in this league. I
Speaker 2: think are they'll pay. They'll pay a front five guy
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald Rams, they'll pay him, Chris Jones. But the
Speaker 2: smart teams in this league. That's what drives me crazy
Speaker 2: about Pittsburgh. He can't be spending your money on defense
Speaker 2: outside of a TJ. Watt. He's got to go draft
Speaker 2: safeties and corners. And most of these guys, if you
Speaker 2: look at them Kansas City, they're not drafting a corner. Occasionally,
Speaker 2: if it's a big need, they'll go early, but a
Speaker 2: lot of them are fourth, fifth and sixth round draft picks.
Speaker 2: Same with running backs. So I just think, I look
Speaker 2: at Andy and I think to myself that New England
Speaker 2: started to show signs of regression. Even after the Atlanta
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. It was very obvious they could not draft
Speaker 2: a receiver or a tight end. After Gronk, you started
Speaker 2: seeing that at the end. Remember Brady on the bench screaming,
Speaker 2: get open. I don't know where Kansas City's organization has
Speaker 2: a whole draft, develop communication, quarterback, defense bags. I always
Speaker 2: felt you could really see the more power Bill got,
Speaker 2: the worse the drafting. God, it wasn't even an argument.
Speaker 2: I mean, like Beach's hit like he's like Brad Holmes
Speaker 2: in Detroit. You go to last three years, like six.
Speaker 3: Hits in the light rounds two. It's not even just
Speaker 3: the first rounds. He's get bit. Jaco's a seventh rounder.
Speaker 3: Watson the dB I think it was a seventh rounder.
Speaker 3: So they're getting players all over the draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't really have I mean they really don't.
Speaker 2: They've got the they've got the ability to move off
Speaker 2: really popular talented guys, which you know a lot of
Speaker 2: organizations don't. They can't. They just can't move off them,
Speaker 2: I think. I mean, if I I'm trying to think
Speaker 2: my next year's Super Bowl bubble, I thought this would. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I thought this was the year to get Kansas City.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the last year was too and they've won two.
Speaker 3: I mean I was thinking I've been watching I'm almost
Speaker 3: forty years old, so I remember watching sports for thirty years, right,
Speaker 3: The Cowboys in the mid nineties had a great run.
Speaker 3: The Yankees, obviously, the Bulls, the Patriots had a couple
Speaker 3: of iterations. This five year stretched by the Chiefs three
Speaker 3: Super Bowls, been to another and lost. It been to
Speaker 3: six straight AFC Championship games. It's as good of a run, yeah,
Speaker 3: some of the Warriors. And the difference of the Warriors,
Speaker 3: I mean, they got Kevin Durant, so of course they
Speaker 3: weren't going to loose some of those Yankee teams, they
Speaker 3: had unlimited money. They were buying players. The way they've
Speaker 3: done it, this is a lot very similar to the Patriots.
Speaker 3: They made some tough decisions. It was coaching development, led
Speaker 3: by star quarterback, led by intelligence, led by character. The
Speaker 3: other thing a with my guy on the Chiefs. And
Speaker 3: this is where I think the two teams have a
Speaker 3: lot in common, the character on these teams. How hard
Speaker 3: these guys work, how into football they are, how much
Speaker 3: they care about football, how serious they take this like
Speaker 3: this is not some score round. Half the teams in
Speaker 3: the league, I mean, some of their best players are
Speaker 3: not dependable guys on a seven day a week basis
Speaker 3: that is not the case with the Kansas Chiefs. It's
Speaker 3: not the case of the forty nine ers. It's why
Speaker 3: these teams are kind of consistently winning, right And obviously
Speaker 3: the Chiefs have that added element with Mahomes, which is
Speaker 3: kind of their trump card right now. But the football
Speaker 3: character that was on display in this game was something
Speaker 3: I would imagine every GM when they go in a
Speaker 3: couple weeks, the combine is going to go. You start
Speaker 3: interviewing these guys because it is easy. It's like, well,
Speaker 3: look at how many plays this guy can make. He's
Speaker 3: got about seven red flags? Is offensive coordinator college wasn't
Speaker 3: a big fan, and they don't overlook that stuff or
Speaker 3: they make sure that like that's a non negotiable because
Speaker 3: you get in the fourth quarter in overtime, is your
Speaker 3: twenty first game of the season. If you're not locked in,
Speaker 3: if you're not into it, if you haven't been training
Speaker 3: all year long, you have no shot. You have no shot.
Speaker 3: And that's the one thing Andy, you know, who's always
Speaker 3: been he had a little Ale Davis to him at
Speaker 3: moments in his career that they are not screwing around
Speaker 3: in Kansas City with guys that just are like that.
Speaker 2: You know, It's one of the things about the NFL
Speaker 2: that I think you and I appreciate this is that
Speaker 2: I think it's a really well run league, and I
Speaker 2: think it's easy. A lot of people in the media,
Speaker 2: a lot of newspaper people tend to be precious and there.
Speaker 3: Was getting crushed last week. He's getting destroyed.
Speaker 2: What are we talking about? People just don't understand everything
Speaker 2: is up. They handled, you know, the Kaepernick situation. Not
Speaker 2: easy for the Black Lives Matter, those are those are
Speaker 2: big social movements. Those are not easy to navigate. And
Speaker 2: I think about seventy percent of players NFL players African American.
Speaker 2: He's navigated that. Players like him, Corporations like him. They're
Speaker 2: you know, I know having talked to people at networks,
Speaker 2: they're tough, but.
Speaker 3: Rightfully so you got a product you want.
Speaker 2: But if you start looking at how smart they've been
Speaker 2: with moving, extending the draft, moving free agency, putting stuff
Speaker 2: on Christmas. You know, I saw the NBA trade deadline
Speaker 2: was during a Super Bowl week, Well, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: What the what the f are you doing? Baseball gives
Speaker 2: it to wards like two months after the season. They
Speaker 2: don't give him on the same day there's no buzz,
Speaker 2: Like it's all of a sudden, out of the blue.
Speaker 2: You're like, that guy won the American League MVP. Like
Speaker 2: four days later, that guy won't come back Player of
Speaker 2: the Year. It's like, the hell are you doing here?
Speaker 2: The NFL has done a remarkable job to own the calendar.
Speaker 2: I mean, if I was baseball, there's an opening. Sean
Speaker 2: McVay didn't play starters. It worked. Now nobody plays starters.
Speaker 2: The preseason's dead. NFL's cut a game, they may cut
Speaker 2: another game. It's just dead. Baseball. August is wide open.
Speaker 2: They'll never move on it. It's wide open. Guys like
Speaker 2: you and me, we take August off. It's like an
Speaker 2: off month. If you shorten baseball by one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty games and you start playoffs like August eighth, you
Speaker 2: own the month. That's what football would do. That's what
Speaker 2: he watched the NBA get this big marketing day when
Speaker 2: everybody's home on Christmas and Goodell's like, no, we're moving games.
Speaker 2: So when I look at the NFL, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of reasons. It's popular scarcity gambling, but it's really it's
Speaker 2: made everything else niche, and they don't They navigate politics.
Speaker 2: They're good to their players, but don't pander and coddle.
Speaker 2: They've got mobility but also loyalty, and I think they
Speaker 2: manipulate the calendar. And when I see these people get on.
Speaker 2: Roger Goodell, I've had drinks with him once in dinner.
Speaker 2: He's really a good listener. He's just ohays, what do
Speaker 2: you think? I remember I had him on the show
Speaker 2: like several years ago. It was before the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: with New England and Philly, and I said, Commissioner, I
Speaker 2: love your sport. I don't know what a catch is.
Speaker 2: I don't understand what a catches. And he literally said
Speaker 2: in the air he goes Colin, it's a big problem
Speaker 2: that super Bowl. They literally switched it for the Supermember.
Speaker 2: There were a couple of juggling catches by the Eagles
Speaker 2: in the end zone. They were touchdowns. And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just when I look at the NFL in my business,
Speaker 2: you got to talk about it about sixty five percent
Speaker 2: of the time, I think it's I don't even know
Speaker 2: what the hole is like. I think it's a brilliant
Speaker 2: league and incredibly well run.
Speaker 3: You could argue that you could talk about it eighty
Speaker 3: eighty five percent of the time and not skip a beat.
Speaker 3: I thought the criticism for him and a lot of
Speaker 3: big j's that were very very angry at Roger holding
Speaker 3: this press conference, I think like no one cares. The
Speaker 3: average fan does not care what Roger's saying. The other
Speaker 3: thing is no one associated with the NFL, players, coaches, executives, owners,
Speaker 3: people like us that talk about it have ever had
Speaker 3: more success because of the popularity of this sport. Yet
Speaker 3: if you just pull the average person that writes about
Speaker 3: the NFL, they would say Roger sucks. And on the
Speaker 3: flip side, they would say Adam Silver is great and listen.
Speaker 3: Maybe it goes back to he doesn't playkate with him,
Speaker 3: he doesn't text many of them. Maybe I've never met
Speaker 3: the guy. I don't have any dog in the fight. Beside,
Speaker 3: I like football. But the league, think about how about
Speaker 3: this week is a good example. They were very very
Speaker 3: against Vegas for a long period of time. My father
Speaker 3: works for a big farmer back in the seventies that
Speaker 3: bought a Vegas casino, the Maxim. Do you remember that
Speaker 3: when you got there in a gun bankrupt and he
Speaker 3: had bought it, And when he bought it. The guy
Speaker 3: comes up to him and says, Jack, we got three
Speaker 3: or four rooms with basically the equivalent of Joe Peshi,
Speaker 3: Roberts Neer, Andraoda. They don't pay. I would just let
Speaker 3: them be. Those mob guys right in Vegas forever seventies
Speaker 3: eighties is probably shady. You go there. Now it's corporate
Speaker 3: America s and P. Five hundred. It is normal business.
Speaker 3: And what have the NFL done? They shifted right there,
Speaker 3: and that's that Vegas super Bowl should happen every four years, Max.
Speaker 3: I mean, you talk about a perfect place. It's it's
Speaker 3: made for that. And now they have the How awesome
Speaker 3: did that Super Bowl look on television in that in
Speaker 3: that stadium and they listen, they were very at adamant
Speaker 3: anti Vegas. Remember Tony got in trouble and then the
Speaker 3: laws changed and they quickly pivoted and they moved a
Speaker 3: team there and they've never looked back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, And that's what people I talked to.
Speaker 2: I've always been partial to Miami because it's just such
Speaker 2: a walk around on Ocean Avenue and it's warm ocean,
Speaker 2: Ocean Drive, and then I think it's Collins Drive or
Speaker 2: whatever is behind it. I love just walking and by
Speaker 2: the way, it's it's it's like South America. It's cold,
Speaker 2: and the rest of the country it's even cold California
Speaker 2: in Dallas, and then it's warmed out of Miami. But
Speaker 2: I always thought Miami did the best job, and Los
Speaker 2: Angeles is more than capable. But LA's a big city.
Speaker 2: In traffic's an issue, traffic downtown because of that F
Speaker 2: one race. It really f to the traffic. Vegas has
Speaker 2: never had great traffic. But you know, the other thing
Speaker 2: is about the Super Bowl in Las Vegas. Look up
Speaker 2: the twenty biggest hotels in America eighteen or in Vegas.
Speaker 2: You go to these places like the MGM, the biggest
Speaker 2: hotel in most American cities may have six, four hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty rooms. These things have like eight thousand.
Speaker 3: I stayed on the sixty fifth floor at the Cosmo.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how many rooms the Cosmo has,
Speaker 3: but to do the math, there's got to be a lot.
Speaker 2: So the city's just uniquely built. You know, I've said
Speaker 2: this for years. We don't move around Marti Gras, New
Speaker 2: Year's Rock and Eve. We don't move around a lot
Speaker 2: of the awards that we see on TV and radio.
Speaker 2: You don't have to move everything. I mean this idea
Speaker 2: that we should have cold weather super Bowls. You can't
Speaker 2: put a super Bowl. We tried it in Jacksonville for
Speaker 2: christ Sake. I was there. They had to bring in ships.
Speaker 2: There was nowhere to sleep. I mean they were having local.
Speaker 2: They had to call in three thousand taxi drivers from
Speaker 2: like Miami, in Orlando. It was an as show. Put
Speaker 2: it in VI.
Speaker 3: If I said the super Bowl, If I said the
Speaker 3: super Bowl was there five straight years, would anyone complain?
Speaker 3: I don't think they would. It's just you don't never
Speaker 3: need to go outside. It's just it's uniquely equipped for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I thought Vegas crushed. I thought Goodell had
Speaker 2: another good year. They just navigate all the turbulence and
Speaker 2: social issues. I wouldn't be surprised if the same two
Speaker 2: teams are back. I okay, so let's do this. Let's
Speaker 2: I thought Romo and Nance did have a good game.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I don't they're going to move
Speaker 2: the deck chairs. I think the CBS pregame show there
Speaker 2: wasn't a memorable moment. They're all nice guys, but I
Speaker 2: I didn't a lot of oomph. To me, it's kind
Speaker 2: of Fox has had that crew. It's like TNT basketball.
Speaker 2: It's just better than the ESPN's what are you gonna say,
Speaker 2: it's Barkley and Shack, it's Kenny Attorney. I think the
Speaker 2: Fox crew's been doing it. You know, it's a little
Speaker 2: older in the tooth, but it's just good. It's been
Speaker 2: good for a long time. It's smartly produced Bill Richards,
Speaker 2: it's great. Piece is funny enough. And the CBS crew's
Speaker 2: okay to me, NBC at Night very okay to me.
Speaker 3: Oh terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not avail you. But I thought Romo and
Speaker 2: Nance were pretty good. I think Nance is great, and
Speaker 2: I think, you know, Tony is just kind of a squirrely,
Speaker 2: fun personality. Tony is the kind of guy that if
Speaker 2: you went out golfing with him, you'd have a ball.
Speaker 2: He'd tell you a million stories, and sometimes he can
Speaker 2: be a little bit loose. But I thought he did.
Speaker 2: I thought he was. I thought it was one of
Speaker 2: Tony's Romo's better broadcasts. I thought he started calling things
Speaker 2: very quickly.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: One of the things he kept saying is, you know,
Speaker 2: he'd be like oh this this drive hurts or he
Speaker 2: kept saying I thought it was really smart. He goes, okay,
Speaker 2: that whatever you just saw there, that was a designed
Speaker 2: Shanahan play. He was calling that throughout the game. He
Speaker 2: would give the coach credit, not just the player, and
Speaker 2: that's important. There's a distinction there that we always give
Speaker 2: the quarterback credit. And he would say with like at
Speaker 2: the end, he's like, that's an Andy Reid play. Mahomes
Speaker 2: is great, That's an Andy Reid play. So I what
Speaker 2: is your take? I think Nansen Romo are fine. I
Speaker 2: do think once he signed that seventeen million dollars a
Speaker 2: year contract, he became a target. And once you're a target,
Speaker 2: it's hard.
Speaker 3: I think he got pigeonholed in the lane if he
Speaker 3: calls the plays, which is not a sustainable thing to do.
Speaker 3: And I think it is hard to be the goofier
Speaker 3: guy if you're not a little older. You know, John
Speaker 3: Madden when he started calling games, by the time I
Speaker 3: was a kid, was in his fifties right or sixties.
Speaker 3: Gruden was already this massive personality by the time he
Speaker 3: got the booth. When I think about Troy Aikman, I
Speaker 3: think a guy like he'll crush some people. Troykman's kind
Speaker 3: of an old school bat. He has that definitive lane.
Speaker 3: People kind of like that because a lot of announcers,
Speaker 3: the former players, they won't really be critical. Troy has
Speaker 3: no problem doing that. It's mie I enjoy that. Collins
Speaker 3: Worth is just one of those unique guys that I
Speaker 3: don't remember a play he ever made because by the
Speaker 3: time he was already retired by the time I was
Speaker 3: probably ten. But he's just good. And you watch Tony
Speaker 3: sometimes against Lucy because not really my style, because he's
Speaker 3: never gonna be that critical on moments where it's like, okay, Tony,
Speaker 3: but if you're not gonna do that, you have to
Speaker 3: do something else. And he kind of lost his fastball
Speaker 3: once he stopped doing the plays, and people thought he
Speaker 3: was starting getting lazy because what's he doing. He's never
Speaker 3: going well, that's a terrible call when it obviously is.
Speaker 3: I think most people that sit on their couch now
Speaker 3: we've all watched a lot of football. Some stuff's pretty obvious.
Speaker 3: And when the announcers refuse because they are everybody's friends,
Speaker 3: they know these coaches, it's not that enjoyable, right. Why
Speaker 3: does Colin coward have success. You're opinionated. You see something,
Speaker 3: you say it, And I think Tony was very hesitant
Speaker 3: to do that. In fairness to Peyton Manning, he's like, listen,
Speaker 3: I don't want to be critical. So he doesn't call
Speaker 3: the games. Really, he just does the thing with Eli.
Speaker 3: But if you're gonna sit in that chair, if you're
Speaker 3: gonna be Tom, it's gonna be hard. Like Tom, people
Speaker 3: are gonna want to hear you say that's a terrible
Speaker 3: play call because we watched you play and we know
Speaker 3: that's your style. Like you get mad and Peyton does
Speaker 3: it actually sometimes too when he immediately kind of goes
Speaker 3: viral because people like that. And I think Tony's always
Speaker 3: really struggle with that. Even day. He tries to play
Speaker 3: nice with both guys like Jim, I think he should
Speaker 3: go forward a year. They just just pick a lane
Speaker 3: tone It's okay if you're wrong. But I think he's
Speaker 3: always very offen. He's always very hesitant, it feels like
Speaker 3: to offend the coach because he knows these guys well.
Speaker 3: They all text him, these buddies with him, and that
Speaker 3: to me is my criticism. He just won't say stuff
Speaker 3: when it's pretty obvious. Sometimes I don't care about the
Speaker 3: play calls. I like having a little fun whatever, But
Speaker 3: just say that was a terrible freaking call, Jim. That
Speaker 3: cannot happen in that situation. He's just never gonna where Troy.
Speaker 3: I would say, Troy, especially once Tony's got a lot
Speaker 3: of money, has no problem laying the law down and
Speaker 3: people enjoy that.
Speaker 2: All right. I don't ask for Scillo or do this much.
Speaker 2: He comes on TV and I'll go on his podcast,
Speaker 2: but I don't want to get in his way. He's busy,
Speaker 2: he's a man of the people, and I don't want
Speaker 2: to get in his But I do like talking to
Speaker 2: him because on my podcast we can talk about stuff.
Speaker 2: Look at the first thing he does is show the
Speaker 2: gun show. I mean, fuck, I got no shot here.
Speaker 2: I know it sounds you'll remember this. So I always worry,
Speaker 2: you know, overreaction, Monday recency bias. I'm emotional. I watch
Speaker 2: these games. I get so cy and I could you
Speaker 2: and I could sit and talk for an hour about
Speaker 2: a game, and you and I have had beers and
Speaker 2: we were just like, it's like we're doing a show,
Speaker 2: right because we love what we do. But I remember
Speaker 2: years ago. You'll remember this. Randy Moss goes to the Patriots.
Speaker 2: He's there are a couple of years, it's very successful.
Speaker 2: Monday night game against Miami. They don't freaking target him.
Speaker 2: And I went on the air the next day ESPN,
Speaker 2: I said, he's out, time out. You don't have Randy
Speaker 2: Moss and not target him. Now, you could target him
Speaker 2: eleven times with two completions. It could be the weather,
Speaker 2: it could He's out. And I remember at this point,
Speaker 2: I was still like reading emails and people are like
Speaker 2: this recency. But two days later it was gone, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, sometimes it's not recency bias. You're seeing shit.
Speaker 2: And I remember that because it was like, you couldn't
Speaker 2: guard Randy Moss at that point. You literally couldn't guard him.
Speaker 2: You had to roll coverage over. You could put revs
Speaker 2: on him, it didn't matter. He got open. And I'm
Speaker 2: watching about two weeks ago, I'm watching three weeks ago,
Speaker 2: I'm watching Mahomes and I saw it again Sunday and
Speaker 2: it reminds me of MJ. And I said this three
Speaker 2: weeks ago. I said, I think that's the best football
Speaker 2: player I've ever seen. And one of the things I
Speaker 2: remember this with Michael Jordan years ago. I was on
Speaker 2: the couch at the time with a a young lady.
Speaker 2: It was Vegas years ago, and it was the Phoenix
Speaker 2: Chicago series, Barkley, mj and she was a basketball player,
Speaker 2: so she really loved the sport. And I said, there's
Speaker 2: fifty guys in this league, Michael as tall as Michael
Speaker 2: as slender. He's not the best shooter or the best
Speaker 2: ball handler. I said, you should be able to duplicate that.
Speaker 2: Nobody can. I'm like, he makes it look like like
Speaker 2: so easy, I said, even the great players. Barkley, you
Speaker 2: could tell when he shifted gears, Clyde Drexler, you could
Speaker 2: tell Kobe's shifting gears. Michael be like, he get bet
Speaker 2: these beads of sweat in his head and You're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think he's shifted gears. That Michael was so effortless
Speaker 2: when he would flip the ball over his head when
Speaker 2: he was fouled. And when I watch Mahome, I'm like,
Speaker 2: is he playing eighty percent speed? This is not I
Speaker 2: can tell when Josh Allen and Lamar are trying, and
Speaker 2: I don't think it's overreacting. I've never I've never seen
Speaker 2: anything like Mahomes. I've never seen it.
Speaker 3: I haven't.
Speaker 1: You still think, look, he's what he's doing at the position,
Speaker 1: because you know, we can talk about players and then
Speaker 1: the resume because we get really good at counting and
Speaker 1: you start adding it all up. It appears, especially with
Speaker 1: the throwing angles and all that stuff, that he's more
Speaker 1: gifted at physical thrower of the football than Brady. But
Speaker 1: you don't have some of the same feelings that you
Speaker 1: had about Brady. Were Brady in those big playoff spots
Speaker 1: when he dropped back, you just went, oh, like, he
Speaker 1: knows he's elevated his risk, he knows what he has
Speaker 1: to do. They're not protecting. He doesn't have anybody getting
Speaker 1: open on the outside right like I would see Brady
Speaker 1: in these games decide, Hey, these are the things that
Speaker 1: aren't going my way. Now I'll adjust to those in
Speaker 1: a way that I think. It's a pretty short list
Speaker 1: of people that I think are even on that with him.
Speaker 2: So I felt like Brady was a math. He beat
Speaker 2: everybody at the math that Tom could go to the
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage and he just did math and he
Speaker 2: knew what you couldn't defend. He always had a very
Speaker 2: good possession guy, Dion Branch, Wes Welker, Edelman, he almost
Speaker 2: always had a good tight end. Dante Scarnakia run game
Speaker 2: O line, he had protection. I felt what Tom was doing,
Speaker 2: and this is not a knock. It was like chess.
Speaker 2: Tom was a math expert. He would go to the line.
Speaker 2: He knew what was coming. You couldn't throw anything at him.
Speaker 2: With mah Holms. He had a run in the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl where he ran in late it may have been overtime,
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. He cut through the D line and sprinted.
Speaker 2: And there's something cognitively beyond math that his like he
Speaker 2: can do the math too. There is something about his
Speaker 2: ability to see something and the ball is out of
Speaker 2: his hand quicker than anybody I've ever seen. That. It's
Speaker 2: brain function into ability and to release. It's like Marino
Speaker 2: plus Tom.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he runs better than both. It's just I watch
Speaker 2: him and I think it looks like it reminds me
Speaker 2: of Jordan. I'm like, is he playing at seventy percent speed?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I'm I'm disagreeing with you by
Speaker 1: just pushing back on that. We've never seen anyone have
Speaker 1: this composure throughout a game when I watch Brady do
Speaker 1: it for twenty years, But when you want to.
Speaker 3: Talk about.
Speaker 1: His ability in the moment, he's a basket. Like the
Speaker 1: reason I've always loved basketball is that if you're really
Speaker 1: that good.
Speaker 3: You just figure out a way. You just figure out away.
Speaker 1: Like it's five on five and you know you can
Speaker 1: double team E, but I gotta get rid of the ball.
Speaker 1: Then I'm going to come back to it and within
Speaker 1: the shot clock, Like I got to figure out a
Speaker 1: way to make this shot, because nobody great gets double
Speaker 1: team to the points, Like, hey, that guy he has
Speaker 1: zero points to the fourth courter of a playoff game,
Speaker 1: Like you find a way once all the plays are
Speaker 1: understood and everything's breaking down and the other guy who
Speaker 1: can't shoot throws it back to you, and you have
Speaker 1: it with seven second stuff on the shot clock, huge
Speaker 1: possession game seven. You have to find a way. You're
Speaker 1: not relying on whether or not an infielder was positioned
Speaker 1: correctly or if the pitcher had it or didn't have it.
Speaker 1: If you're the cleanup hitter, you know, Like that's so codependent.
Speaker 1: And even though football's the ultimate team sport because of
Speaker 1: all the moving pieces, like there's just so many other
Speaker 1: things that have to go into you making it work.
Speaker 1: And Mahomes has felt like the best basketball player, like
Speaker 1: he's playing football like a basketball player, where I thought
Speaker 1: that game against San Francisco was incredibly hard for him.
Speaker 1: Watching the beginning of that game, that first half, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the San Francisco d line has shown up now in
Speaker 1: a way they did not show up against Green Bay
Speaker 1: or Detroit. They're up for this, they're amped. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have guys that can win on the outside.
Speaker 3: Here. You know, where's Kelsey. Okay, there's a little bit
Speaker 3: here there.
Speaker 1: They're running right up the middle with Pacheco, and this
Speaker 1: Niners defense that was supposedly susceptible of that was shut
Speaker 1: it down for a good chunk and it didn't look
Speaker 1: like he was comfortable. And then we saw that stat
Speaker 1: where they've gone seventeen straight possessions in the playoffs going
Speaker 1: back to the Baltimore game into the San Francisco game
Speaker 1: without a touchdown. And yet you're like, he'll figure it out,
Speaker 1: and he did. I mean, it's gotta be incredible. You
Speaker 1: want to talk about sports fandom jealousy right now? I mean,
Speaker 1: how could anyone be higher than the Chiefs fans like,
Speaker 1: there's no one that you'd be more jealous of, knowing
Speaker 1: that that guy's there going to be there a long time.
Speaker 1: And I agree with you that it feels like this
Speaker 1: one guy that can control a game where it's not
Speaker 1: supposed to be one guy that controls it Basketball. It's
Speaker 1: supposed to happen football, it's not.
Speaker 2: Let's pivot to this. So you and I go to
Speaker 2: a certain place, don't you know, the nine hundred club
Speaker 2: in Manhattan Beach. So I ran into Chip Kelly a
Speaker 2: couple of times in the last month, so I had
Speaker 2: a pretty good inkling that, you know, an offensive coordinator
Speaker 2: gig maybe in the offing. The second thing is I
Speaker 2: ran into Lawrence Frank. I sat down to have a
Speaker 2: cobb salad and a beer because I just worked out,
Speaker 2: and I thought, eat clean, get home. Lawrence Frank is
Speaker 2: next to me who runs the Clippers. Really nice guy,
Speaker 2: and it was fascinating that let's pivot to this. So
Speaker 2: as we kind of move into the NBA season, I
Speaker 2: told him, I said the Lawrence, I said, I know
Speaker 2: you don't listen to your busy guy, but holy shit,
Speaker 2: did I miss on this. I was like, this hardened thing.
Speaker 2: Give me a break, Where's Westbrook going to play? The chemistry?
Speaker 2: And he was really interesting. He said, you know, at
Speaker 2: this point in James's career, shit, he wants to be
Speaker 2: coached and win. He got money, he got fame. He
Speaker 2: just wants to win games. I have watched probably six
Speaker 2: of their last seven games, and I don't know if
Speaker 2: I told you this. It is the most enjoyable NBA
Speaker 2: offense in my opinion, to watch mid range transition threes,
Speaker 2: multiple wings, scores and defenders. I honestly think Boston and
Speaker 2: Denver and the Clippers to me feel different the rest
Speaker 2: of the league. Now the Clippers have some scoring on
Speaker 2: the bench, Celtics Denver don't really But I've never said
Speaker 2: this in my life. A I was totally wrong in
Speaker 2: b I do feel like the Clippers could win a championship.
Speaker 3: I'm with you on thinking it could happen.
Speaker 1: But you're also telling me Kawhi and Paul George are
Speaker 1: going to be healthy at the end of the year,
Speaker 1: which has not been a good health bet. They're the
Speaker 1: worst health bet of any of the contenders. But I
Speaker 1: did a pod probably a week ago after watching them
Speaker 1: go on this ridiculous stretch where you're like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: know this is significant. We're talking about a twenty seven
Speaker 1: and six stretch. Although by the time we're taping this,
Speaker 1: it was pretty alarming seeing Minnesota handle them so well,
Speaker 1: and it's the second time they played them, which you know,
Speaker 1: there's some matchup stuff with that that had me thinking about, wow,
Speaker 1: you know, they really bogged him down. But yeah, look,
Speaker 1: Kawhi has played at a level that's almost like pe
Speaker 1: Kawhi again, and he's been playing most of the season.
Speaker 1: Paul George, who we knew put up massive numbers, was
Speaker 1: one of the ten most talented players. I thought he
Speaker 1: had a lot of playoff awards that were legitimate. I mean,
Speaker 1: he had an elimination game of Oklahoma City. It was
Speaker 1: terrible when they blew the three to one lead to
Speaker 1: Denver at the end of that. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: just bad. So it was kind of like, hey, is
Speaker 1: he one of these guys? And I thought once everybody
Speaker 1: else was gone and they took out Utah a few
Speaker 1: years ago and it was all on him and he
Speaker 1: had no choice. He had no one else to even
Speaker 1: defer to that. I think he's I hope for his
Speaker 1: sake that he's turned the page on that a little bit.
Speaker 3: But I was with Ian Harden.
Speaker 1: I just didn't think he's somebody you'd want to get
Speaker 1: into business with. It had been the third team. He
Speaker 1: had quit on the fourth trade demand, which I don't
Speaker 1: really blame him for the first one, because he wanted
Speaker 1: to make his money in Oklahoma City, wanted to pay Durant,
Speaker 1: Westbrook and Obaka, so that one didn't bother me. The
Speaker 1: end of Houston bothered me, the end of Brooklyn bothered me.
Speaker 1: And the Philly one, I mean, I thought he was
Speaker 1: he was very peak Valley again in the playoffs when
Speaker 1: they needed a most and they blow the three two
Speaker 1: lead to Boston. And I've shocked people with this because
Speaker 1: they know I don't really like him, and I don't
Speaker 1: like the way he's officiated and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Again, none of it's really personal.
Speaker 2: I don't know the guy.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's sounds like people love hanging out with him,
Speaker 1: so he he thought he was getting the big money,
Speaker 1: but he took thirteen million less and Philly's adamant that
Speaker 1: nothing was ever understood. And I'm always like, I don't
Speaker 1: know a lot of guys that just leave thirteen million
Speaker 1: on the table without thinking the extension is coming to
Speaker 1: make up for it. He doesn't play well enough against
Speaker 1: the Celtics that extension now is whatever was talked about,
Speaker 1: depending on who you want to believe. But when he
Speaker 1: had been traded finally, Colin, even though Lawrence Frank is
Speaker 1: telling you, hey, he wants to win, he wants to
Speaker 1: be coached, his first answer was, I want to go
Speaker 1: somewhere I can get paid. It just so happens to
Speaker 1: be a contender from an area that's close to where
Speaker 1: he's from and with an owner that has the deepest
Speaker 1: pockets of anybody. And I think the lesson in all
Speaker 1: of this is that Harden would have been super unappealing
Speaker 1: for a lot of other scenarios where it's still a
Speaker 1: no for those teams. But credit to the Clippers, the culture,
Speaker 1: having the other guys established, he doesn't have to be
Speaker 1: the guy he's probably going to get paid, and now
Speaker 1: that he's the third guy, he can have those playoff
Speaker 1: duds which are all over littered throughout his game log
Speaker 1: in his playoff history, where he could maybe even still
Speaker 1: have one of those, and it won't matter because the
Speaker 1: way the rest of the team is.
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