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Speaker 2: there we go. Kansas City twenty five twenty two. It

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Speaker 2: hits the under by half a point. John Middlecoff, former

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Speaker 2: NFL scout three and out, who knows the Niners very

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Speaker 2: very well. You know, I had said this about Andy Reid.

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Speaker 2: If I look at Bill Belichick's career, it is overwhelmingly

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Speaker 2: tied to one player. I mean, they were bad in

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Speaker 2: New England before Brady, they were bad after him, weren't

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Speaker 2: very good in Cleveland. I you know, I'll say this,

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Speaker 2: we don't consider Bill Russell with eleven rings better than

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Speaker 2: Jordan was six. I think Mahomes is the best quarterback

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Speaker 2: I've ever seen. I think Andy Reads the best coach

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Speaker 2: I've ever seen. He's not tied. Donovan McNabb was a

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Speaker 2: B minus quarterback. He us al was inaccurate. He was

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Speaker 2: short hop stuff. He was kind of like he was

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Speaker 3: He was out of shape in the Super Bowl, Colin,

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's just throwing up in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: I mean I just feel like Andy, who always gave

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Speaker 2: Belichick problems even with second tier quarterbacks. I think Andy's

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Speaker 2: a better coach than Belichick. First of all. When that

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Speaker 2: when you go to overtime, we're all just I mean,

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Speaker 2: Romo and Nance are like, oh, this is Andy Reid,

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Speaker 2: this is this is this is almost unfair. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Andy hide stuff so much in New England's success was

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Speaker 2: tied to an offensive line coach. I mean, if you

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Speaker 2: go look when Scott Poldie leaves in the last eight

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Speaker 2: or nine drafts, when Bill controlled him, he didn't draft well,

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Speaker 2: he's toned. He's allergic to offense. Once he lost offensive people,

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Speaker 2: Bill really regress badly. I think you look at Andy

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Speaker 2: Reid's coaching tree, his ability to adapt win with multiple quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: multiple coordinators. I think Andy's the best football coach since

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Speaker 2: Bill Walsh. That's my take. You know, again, Bill Russell

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Speaker 2: saying Bill I mean, listen, he helps find Dante's Karneki.

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Speaker 2: He you know, helped he drafted Brady I think, but

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Speaker 2: I think Andy Reid. I mean, we think Shanahan is elite.

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Speaker 2: We both do top three or four coach in the year.

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Speaker 2: That game comes down to that last drive. I mean

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Speaker 2: it is so clever. I mean, how many third and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think he's definitely you know, Walsh

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Speaker 3: So Andy now has three. One thing that's not debatable

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Speaker 3: proven it with he was making the playoffs with Jeff Garcia,

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Speaker 3: plans for Parcels to take out Walsh in Montana. Early

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Speaker 3: game plans. But that league no longer exists. The league

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Speaker 3: we're in now is Kyle Shannan, Sean McVay, Andy Reid

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Speaker 3: if not more important than defense. And Andy's the best.

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Speaker 3: It's not even close. And I think anyone that knows him,

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Speaker 3: He's just an incredible human being. You know, That's one thing.

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Speaker 3: People defend Belichick that have been around him because they

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Speaker 3: opposite right. Look at Andy's coaching tree. It's freaking incredible,

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Speaker 3: and will those guys swear by him?

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Speaker 3: the worst contract in the league. He made eight million

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Speaker 3: most on the staff beside Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes like,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm giving that guy some credit of understanding

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Speaker 3: what what can coach?

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Speaker 3: Nobody Bill waltsh would have struggled with mister Bisky. How

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Speaker 3: many games with Belichick? Of won with mister Bisky? The guy?

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Speaker 3: The guy can't hit water if he's sitting on a

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Speaker 3: I think Andy Reid. The scary part is Colin He's

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Speaker 3: just not done. Like all this retirement talk. Andy's he's not.

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Speaker 2: about Pittsburgh. He can't be spending your money on defense

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Speaker 2: Same with running backs. So I just think, I look

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the last year was too and they've won two.

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Speaker 3: six straight AFC Championship games. It's as good of a run, yeah,

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Speaker 3: They made some tough decisions. It was coaching development, led

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Speaker 2: Roger Goodell, I've had drinks with him once in dinner.

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Speaker 3: And when the announcers refuse because they are everybody's friends,

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Speaker 3: they know these coaches, it's not that enjoyable, right. Why

427
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Speaker 3: does Colin coward have success. You're opinionated. You see something,

428
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Speaker 3: you say it, And I think Tony was very hesitant

429
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Speaker 3: to do that. In fairness to Peyton Manning, he's like, listen,

430
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Speaker 3: I don't want to be critical. So he doesn't call

431
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Speaker 3: the games. Really, he just does the thing with Eli.

432
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Speaker 3: But if you're gonna sit in that chair, if you're

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Speaker 3: gonna be Tom, it's gonna be hard. Like Tom, people

434
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Speaker 3: are gonna want to hear you say that's a terrible

435
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Speaker 3: play call because we watched you play and we know

436
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 3: that's your style. Like you get mad and Peyton does

437
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 3: it actually sometimes too when he immediately kind of goes

438
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Speaker 3: viral because people like that. And I think Tony's always

439
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: really struggle with that. Even day. He tries to play

440
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 3: nice with both guys like Jim, I think he should

441
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Speaker 3: go forward a year. They just just pick a lane

442
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 3: tone It's okay if you're wrong. But I think he's

443
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Speaker 3: always very offen. He's always very hesitant, it feels like

444
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Speaker 3: to offend the coach because he knows these guys well.

445
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Speaker 3: They all text him, these buddies with him, and that

446
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Speaker 3: to me is my criticism. He just won't say stuff

447
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 3: when it's pretty obvious. Sometimes I don't care about the

448
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 3: play calls. I like having a little fun whatever, But

449
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 3: just say that was a terrible freaking call, Jim. That

450
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 3: cannot happen in that situation. He's just never gonna where Troy.

451
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Speaker 3: I would say, Troy, especially once Tony's got a lot

452
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Speaker 3: of money, has no problem laying the law down and

453
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Speaker 3: people enjoy that.

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Speaker 2: All right. I don't ask for Scillo or do this much.

455
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Speaker 2: He comes on TV and I'll go on his podcast,

456
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Speaker 2: but I don't want to get in his way. He's busy,

457
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 2: he's a man of the people, and I don't want

458
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Speaker 2: to get in his But I do like talking to

459
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: him because on my podcast we can talk about stuff.

460
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: Look at the first thing he does is show the

461
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,479
Speaker 2: gun show. I mean, fuck, I got no shot here.

462
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: I know it sounds you'll remember this. So I always worry,

463
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Speaker 2: you know, overreaction, Monday recency bias. I'm emotional. I watch

464
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: these games. I get so cy and I could you

465
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: and I could sit and talk for an hour about

466
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Speaker 2: a game, and you and I have had beers and

467
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 2: we were just like, it's like we're doing a show,

468
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 2: right because we love what we do. But I remember

469
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 2: years ago. You'll remember this. Randy Moss goes to the Patriots.

470
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Speaker 2: He's there are a couple of years, it's very successful.

471
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Speaker 2: Monday night game against Miami. They don't freaking target him.

472
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Speaker 2: And I went on the air the next day ESPN,

473
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Speaker 2: I said, he's out, time out. You don't have Randy

474
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Speaker 2: Moss and not target him. Now, you could target him

475
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Speaker 2: eleven times with two completions. It could be the weather,

476
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 2: it could He's out. And I remember at this point,

477
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: I was still like reading emails and people are like

478
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Speaker 2: this recency. But two days later it was gone, and

479
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, sometimes it's not recency bias. You're seeing shit.

480
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: And I remember that because it was like, you couldn't

481
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Speaker 2: guard Randy Moss at that point. You literally couldn't guard him.

482
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: You had to roll coverage over. You could put revs

483
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Speaker 2: on him, it didn't matter. He got open. And I'm

484
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,160
Speaker 2: watching about two weeks ago, I'm watching three weeks ago,

485
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 2: I'm watching Mahomes and I saw it again Sunday and

486
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: it reminds me of MJ. And I said this three

487
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: weeks ago. I said, I think that's the best football

488
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Speaker 2: player I've ever seen. And one of the things I

489
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: remember this with Michael Jordan years ago. I was on

490
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Speaker 2: the couch at the time with a a young lady.

491
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Speaker 2: It was Vegas years ago, and it was the Phoenix

492
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Speaker 2: Chicago series, Barkley, mj and she was a basketball player,

493
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Speaker 2: so she really loved the sport. And I said, there's

494
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Speaker 2: fifty guys in this league, Michael as tall as Michael

495
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Speaker 2: as slender. He's not the best shooter or the best

496
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Speaker 2: ball handler. I said, you should be able to duplicate that.

497
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Speaker 2: Nobody can. I'm like, he makes it look like like

498
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: so easy, I said, even the great players. Barkley, you

499
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: could tell when he shifted gears, Clyde Drexler, you could

500
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 2: tell Kobe's shifting gears. Michael be like, he get bet

501
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: these beads of sweat in his head and You're like, yeah,

502
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: I think he's shifted gears. That Michael was so effortless

503
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: when he would flip the ball over his head when

504
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: he was fouled. And when I watch Mahome, I'm like,

505
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Speaker 2: is he playing eighty percent speed? This is not I

506
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 2: can tell when Josh Allen and Lamar are trying, and

507
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's overreacting. I've never I've never seen

508
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Speaker 2: anything like Mahomes. I've never seen it.

509
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Speaker 3: I haven't.

510
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Speaker 1: You still think, look, he's what he's doing at the position,

511
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 1: because you know, we can talk about players and then

512
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: the resume because we get really good at counting and

513
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: you start adding it all up. It appears, especially with

514
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: the throwing angles and all that stuff, that he's more

515
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Speaker 1: gifted at physical thrower of the football than Brady. But

516
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Speaker 1: you don't have some of the same feelings that you

517
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: had about Brady. Were Brady in those big playoff spots

518
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Speaker 1: when he dropped back, you just went, oh, like, he

519
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: knows he's elevated his risk, he knows what he has

520
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: to do. They're not protecting. He doesn't have anybody getting

521
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Speaker 1: open on the outside right like I would see Brady

522
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Speaker 1: in these games decide, Hey, these are the things that

523
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Speaker 1: aren't going my way. Now I'll adjust to those in

524
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Speaker 1: a way that I think. It's a pretty short list

525
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,239
Speaker 1: of people that I think are even on that with him.

526
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Speaker 2: So I felt like Brady was a math. He beat

527
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Speaker 2: everybody at the math that Tom could go to the

528
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage and he just did math and he

529
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: knew what you couldn't defend. He always had a very

530
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: good possession guy, Dion Branch, Wes Welker, Edelman, he almost

531
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 2: always had a good tight end. Dante Scarnakia run game

532
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: O line, he had protection. I felt what Tom was doing,

533
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Speaker 2: and this is not a knock. It was like chess.

534
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Speaker 2: Tom was a math expert. He would go to the line.

535
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Speaker 2: He knew what was coming. You couldn't throw anything at him.

536
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 2: With mah Holms. He had a run in the Super

537
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: Bowl where he ran in late it may have been overtime,

538
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 2: fourth quarter. He cut through the D line and sprinted.

539
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: And there's something cognitively beyond math that his like he

540
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: can do the math too. There is something about his

541
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: ability to see something and the ball is out of

542
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: his hand quicker than anybody I've ever seen. That. It's

543
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: brain function into ability and to release. It's like Marino

544
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: plus Tom.

545
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: Oh.

546
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he runs better than both. It's just I watch

547
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: him and I think it looks like it reminds me

548
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: of Jordan. I'm like, is he playing at seventy percent speed?

549
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: Well?

550
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I'm I'm disagreeing with you by

551
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: just pushing back on that. We've never seen anyone have

552
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: this composure throughout a game when I watch Brady do

553
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: it for twenty years, But when you want to.

554
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 3: Talk about.

555
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: His ability in the moment, he's a basket. Like the

556
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: reason I've always loved basketball is that if you're really

557
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: that good.

558
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 3: You just figure out a way. You just figure out away.

559
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: Like it's five on five and you know you can

560
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: double team E, but I gotta get rid of the ball.

561
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: Then I'm going to come back to it and within

562
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: the shot clock, Like I got to figure out a

563
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: way to make this shot, because nobody great gets double

564
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,479
Speaker 1: team to the points, Like, hey, that guy he has

565
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: zero points to the fourth courter of a playoff game,

566
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: Like you find a way once all the plays are

567
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,239
Speaker 1: understood and everything's breaking down and the other guy who

568
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: can't shoot throws it back to you, and you have

569
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: it with seven second stuff on the shot clock, huge

570
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: possession game seven. You have to find a way. You're

571
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: not relying on whether or not an infielder was positioned

572
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: correctly or if the pitcher had it or didn't have it.

573
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: If you're the cleanup hitter, you know, Like that's so codependent.

574
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: And even though football's the ultimate team sport because of

575
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: all the moving pieces, like there's just so many other

576
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: things that have to go into you making it work.

577
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: And Mahomes has felt like the best basketball player, like

578
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: he's playing football like a basketball player, where I thought

579
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: that game against San Francisco was incredibly hard for him.

580
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: Watching the beginning of that game, that first half, I'm like, Okay,

581
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: the San Francisco d line has shown up now in

582
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: a way they did not show up against Green Bay

583
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: or Detroit. They're up for this, they're amped. He doesn't

584
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: have guys that can win on the outside.

585
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: Here. You know, where's Kelsey. Okay, there's a little bit

586
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 3: here there.

587
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: They're running right up the middle with Pacheco, and this

588
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: Niners defense that was supposedly susceptible of that was shut

589
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: it down for a good chunk and it didn't look

590
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: like he was comfortable. And then we saw that stat

591
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: where they've gone seventeen straight possessions in the playoffs going

592
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: back to the Baltimore game into the San Francisco game

593
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: without a touchdown. And yet you're like, he'll figure it out,

594
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: and he did. I mean, it's gotta be incredible. You

595
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: want to talk about sports fandom jealousy right now? I mean,

596
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: how could anyone be higher than the Chiefs fans like,

597
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: there's no one that you'd be more jealous of, knowing

598
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: that that guy's there going to be there a long time.

599
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: And I agree with you that it feels like this

600
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: one guy that can control a game where it's not

601
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: supposed to be one guy that controls it Basketball. It's

602
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: supposed to happen football, it's not.

603
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: Let's pivot to this. So you and I go to

604
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: a certain place, don't you know, the nine hundred club

605
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: in Manhattan Beach. So I ran into Chip Kelly a

606
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: couple of times in the last month, so I had

607
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: a pretty good inkling that, you know, an offensive coordinator

608
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: gig maybe in the offing. The second thing is I

609
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: ran into Lawrence Frank. I sat down to have a

610
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 2: cobb salad and a beer because I just worked out,

611
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: and I thought, eat clean, get home. Lawrence Frank is

612
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: next to me who runs the Clippers. Really nice guy,

613
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: and it was fascinating that let's pivot to this. So

614
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: as we kind of move into the NBA season, I

615
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: told him, I said the Lawrence, I said, I know

616
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: you don't listen to your busy guy, but holy shit,

617
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: did I miss on this. I was like, this hardened thing.

618
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: Give me a break, Where's Westbrook going to play? The chemistry?

619
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Speaker 2: And he was really interesting. He said, you know, at

620
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Speaker 2: this point in James's career, shit, he wants to be

621
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: coached and win. He got money, he got fame. He

622
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: just wants to win games. I have watched probably six

623
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Speaker 2: of their last seven games, and I don't know if

624
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: I told you this. It is the most enjoyable NBA

625
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: offense in my opinion, to watch mid range transition threes,

626
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: multiple wings, scores and defenders. I honestly think Boston and

627
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: Denver and the Clippers to me feel different the rest

628
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: of the league. Now the Clippers have some scoring on

629
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: the bench, Celtics Denver don't really But I've never said

630
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 2: this in my life. A I was totally wrong in

631
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: b I do feel like the Clippers could win a championship.

632
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 3: I'm with you on thinking it could happen.

633
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: But you're also telling me Kawhi and Paul George are

634
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: going to be healthy at the end of the year,

635
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: which has not been a good health bet. They're the

636
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: worst health bet of any of the contenders. But I

637
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,239
Speaker 1: did a pod probably a week ago after watching them

638
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: go on this ridiculous stretch where you're like, Okay, you

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Speaker 1: know this is significant. We're talking about a twenty seven

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Speaker 1: and six stretch. Although by the time we're taping this,

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Speaker 1: it was pretty alarming seeing Minnesota handle them so well,

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Speaker 1: and it's the second time they played them, which you know,

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Speaker 1: there's some matchup stuff with that that had me thinking about, wow,

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Speaker 1: you know, they really bogged him down. But yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: Kawhi has played at a level that's almost like pe

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Speaker 1: Kawhi again, and he's been playing most of the season.

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Speaker 1: Paul George, who we knew put up massive numbers, was

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Speaker 1: one of the ten most talented players. I thought he

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Speaker 1: had a lot of playoff awards that were legitimate. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he had an elimination game of Oklahoma City. It was

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Speaker 1: terrible when they blew the three to one lead to

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Speaker 1: Denver at the end of that. I mean, it was

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Speaker 1: just bad. So it was kind of like, hey, is

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Speaker 1: he one of these guys? And I thought once everybody

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Speaker 1: else was gone and they took out Utah a few

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Speaker 1: years ago and it was all on him and he

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Speaker 1: had no choice. He had no one else to even

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Speaker 1: defer to that. I think he's I hope for his

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Speaker 1: sake that he's turned the page on that a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But I was with Ian Harden.

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Speaker 1: I just didn't think he's somebody you'd want to get

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Speaker 1: into business with. It had been the third team. He

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Speaker 1: had quit on the fourth trade demand, which I don't

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Speaker 1: really blame him for the first one, because he wanted

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Speaker 1: to make his money in Oklahoma City, wanted to pay Durant,

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Speaker 1: Westbrook and Obaka, so that one didn't bother me. The

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Speaker 1: end of Houston bothered me, the end of Brooklyn bothered me.

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Speaker 1: And the Philly one, I mean, I thought he was

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Speaker 1: he was very peak Valley again in the playoffs when

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Speaker 1: they needed a most and they blow the three two

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Speaker 1: lead to Boston. And I've shocked people with this because

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Speaker 1: they know I don't really like him, and I don't

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Speaker 1: like the way he's officiated and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Again, none of it's really personal.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the guy.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's sounds like people love hanging out with him,

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Speaker 1: so he he thought he was getting the big money,

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Speaker 1: but he took thirteen million less and Philly's adamant that

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Speaker 1: nothing was ever understood. And I'm always like, I don't

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Speaker 1: know a lot of guys that just leave thirteen million

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Speaker 1: on the table without thinking the extension is coming to

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Speaker 1: make up for it. He doesn't play well enough against

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Speaker 1: the Celtics that extension now is whatever was talked about,

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Speaker 1: depending on who you want to believe. But when he

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Speaker 1: had been traded finally, Colin, even though Lawrence Frank is

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Speaker 1: telling you, hey, he wants to win, he wants to

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Speaker 1: be coached, his first answer was, I want to go

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Speaker 1: somewhere I can get paid. It just so happens to

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Speaker 1: be a contender from an area that's close to where

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Speaker 1: he's from and with an owner that has the deepest

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Speaker 1: pockets of anybody. And I think the lesson in all

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Speaker 1: of this is that Harden would have been super unappealing

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Speaker 1: for a lot of other scenarios where it's still a

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Speaker 1: no for those teams. But credit to the Clippers, the culture,

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Speaker 1: having the other guys established, he doesn't have to be

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Speaker 1: the guy he's probably going to get paid, and now

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Speaker 1: that he's the third guy, he can have those playoff

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Speaker 1: duds which are all over littered throughout his game log

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Speaker 1: in his playoff history, where he could maybe even still

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Speaker 1: have one of those, and it won't matter because the

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Speaker 1: way the rest of the team is.

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