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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 1: What is up?

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Speaker 2: Straight Firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: February twenty seven. You're gonna love today's podcast if you

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Speaker 2: like college hoops, March madness, gambling. If you follow me

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Speaker 2: on the Graham, you know I've been posting picks for

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Speaker 2: college basketball and it's been a good season. Our guest

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Speaker 2: today sounds like he's had a better season than me.

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Speaker 2: Thomas Cassalle. He does stuff for CBS Sports Line. We

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Speaker 2: had him on last year before the tournament. He's good

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Speaker 2: and it was a good night last night. In college basketball,

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Speaker 2: listen the sport. I know it doesn't have the juice

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Speaker 2: that women's college hoops has right now. And yes that's

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Speaker 2: a factual statement. Caitlin Clark's a bigger deal than anyone

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Speaker 2: in men's college basketball right now. I mean that's just

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Speaker 2: that's a fact, folks. And you could say women's college

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Speaker 2: hoops is having its a moment. There's nothing wrong with

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Speaker 2: men's college hoops. But between the transfers, the NBA, nobody's

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Speaker 2: sticking around. There are just some decent game like Kentucky

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Speaker 2: had a good game last night thrilling, Kansas melted down

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Speaker 2: late and Byu pulled them pretty big upset. And Kansas

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Speaker 2: does not lose at home. By the way, I had

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Speaker 2: Kansas first half, Cincinnati first half parlayed, which hit Then

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Speaker 2: I also got greedy and got Kansas full game, and

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Speaker 2: that did not hit Kansas. They got some problems, they

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Speaker 2: got some offensive issues. But what we'll talk about March

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Speaker 2: Madness brackets. Listen. If you like gambling, if you like

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Speaker 2: the tournament, which you know I do, then this podcast

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Speaker 2: is for you. If you're just one of these guys

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Speaker 2: who's like, oh, screw the tournament, screw brackets. I don't

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Speaker 2: like money. Okay, I get that too. Also in the NBA,

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Speaker 2: it's a couple, just a couple interesting nuggets before we

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Speaker 2: get to Thomas. My MAVs lost a heartbreaker, heartbreaker to

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Speaker 2: the Calves who hit a half court shot fifty nine

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Speaker 2: footer at the buzzer to take down Luca and Dallas.

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Speaker 2: Really really nice dub for them, the Cavs, that is,

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Speaker 2: I was crestfalling for the Maps. You know, I'm secretly

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Speaker 2: pulling for the Maps. I don't even have money on

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Speaker 2: them to win the title. You know what, I might

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Speaker 2: have to recant that. I'll have to check the account,

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Speaker 2: because you know, you fire. Sometimes team go on losing streaks.

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Speaker 2: I think what happened last night in the league, besides

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Speaker 2: Chris Paul returning, that was interesting. Anthony Edwards will see

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Speaker 2: what's up with the injury. I'm sure hopefully he'll be fine.

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Speaker 2: I would just monitor this, just file it away. Atlanta Hawks,

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Speaker 2: No Trey Young. They look awesome and they smoke the

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Speaker 2: Utah Jazz. It was Bogdanovich, it was Murray, Cappella Johnson,

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Speaker 2: remember Jalen Johnson, the kid out of Duke. You got

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Speaker 2: a really nice game. DeAndre Hunter coming off the bench.

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Speaker 2: There wasn't one guy, it was five different dudes had

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Speaker 2: double figure shots. They had twenty seven assists, which is good.

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Speaker 2: Dejanta Murray's sliding into the point guard role pretty well.

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Speaker 2: I know he had five turnovers. But nevertheless, I only

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Speaker 2: float this because just keep an eye on the Atlanta Hawks.

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Speaker 2: This Trey Young thing is nothing to scoff at. He's

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Speaker 2: out four weeks, and if this team happens to surge,

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Speaker 2: I'm of the belief that Quinn Sneyder will go to

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Speaker 2: management and say, I know you guys love Trey. He's

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Speaker 2: the face of the franchise. You want to win, you

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Speaker 2: want to make a playoff run. We gotta ship him.

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Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. By the way, notice how since

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Speaker 2: it beads out, no more chatter about Tyrese, Maxey and

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Speaker 2: the Sixers. They I mean, they can't do anything right.

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Speaker 2: Max He's good, but the buddy heel trade has neighted nothing.

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Speaker 2: Kelly Oubrey looks, you know, ordinary and pedestrian. Celtics smack

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Speaker 2: him around. I don't listen. Obviously, Joel embiid reigning MVP,

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Speaker 2: very very good player. But the Sixers are quietly hurtling

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Speaker 2: towards the plan they were in the mix for. Like

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Speaker 2: the two seed. They're currently right there with Miami in

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Speaker 2: the five to six range, and Orlando's lump just hovering

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Speaker 2: Like I don't want to. I don't think the Sixers

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Speaker 2: could totally crater and miss the playoffs. There's seven games

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Speaker 2: up on the Hawks and ten, but falling into the

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Speaker 2: play in with no Joel Embi definitely makes things a

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Speaker 2: little more interesting and probably nauseating for Sixers fans. This

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Speaker 2: was supposed to be their year. Anyways, Without further ado,

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Speaker 2: let's get to today's guest college hoops gambling machine, Thomas Casalle.

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Speaker 1: You know a guy, Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. I know what sports

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Speaker 1: fans want, but for everything he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: He knows a guy who does. Let's just say I

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Speaker 2: know a guy.

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Speaker 1: Who knows the guy who knows another guy.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome to straight Fire, one of the

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Speaker 2: foremost college basketball guys out there gambling. He's on fire

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Speaker 2: this year. Listen, it's been a good season for me.

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Speaker 2: You guys don't follow her on ig. Apparently Thomas is

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Speaker 2: having an all time season. Let's welcome in Thomas Casalle.

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Speaker 2: He does college football and college basketball analysis for CBS

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Speaker 2: Sports Line does a lot of gambling online. Thomas, how's

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Speaker 2: it going, man.

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Speaker 1: It's going well. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember we talked to you. I think last year.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was championship week or right

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Speaker 2: before the tournament, but we had John because I know

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Speaker 2: you're college hoops die hard, and there aren't many of

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: It's weird. You love college hoops and you love gambling

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Speaker 2: on it. How would you characterize this season so far

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Speaker 2: as we approach March.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think it's a I think college

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Speaker 1: hoops has changed a little bit because of the transfer portal.

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Speaker 1: I think it's different than football. Where football I don't

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Speaker 1: think like Marshall's going to all of a sudden's aren't

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Speaker 1: to places where they're gonna get playing I'm some of

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Speaker 1: these mid majors. So I think it makes it interesting. Listen,

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of teams, three or four teams I

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Speaker 1: We just had it was a weird tournament. We had

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Speaker 2: It was pretty wild. I remember I did a Calcutta

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Speaker 2: Last year, one of our big plays was Arizona and

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Speaker 2: I think it was Princeton the first round and it

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Do you have Arizona in that upper echelon? Obviously Houston

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I just I think there the three teams

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Speaker 1: looking at what, yeah, the Tennessee. I think those four

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Speaker 1: throwed North Carolina in there. Maybe that can win multiple ways. Now,

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Speaker 1: I understand Tennessee hasn't hasn't done it in the tournament.

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Speaker 1: But that's a tough narrative to lay your hat on.

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Speaker 1: out of the round of thirty two. There were grumblings

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Speaker 1: goes on a run, he wins a national championship, and

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Speaker 1: those narratives go away. So those are the team. But

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Speaker 1: those would be the toughest teams I think interesting.

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Speaker 2: So Tennessee obviously everybody knows Rick Barnes. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to call him a choke artist, but he's had some

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Speaker 2: letdowns in March. But you know, you look at their

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Speaker 2: They were tested and all the games are single digit games,

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Speaker 2: but they lost all of them. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: kid Dalton, right, I think he.

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Speaker 1: Could be the difference. That's that's where I think this

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Speaker 1: those outcomes matter that much. Listen, Purdues played the produce,

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Speaker 1: beating everybody, right, they had, So if you go by

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Speaker 1: just like early season, then Purdue should be everybody's national

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Speaker 1: I just it's so much about matchups in the path.

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Speaker 1: there's a Tennessee has a couple of teams they can

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Speaker 1: bully early. Remember something, you know, San Diego State and

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Speaker 1: with the Sweet sixteen, and it's all about matchups. So

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Speaker 1: you didn't really have to wait until we see those matchups.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, I'd had forgotten about San Diego State. There

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Speaker 2: that's right. And I think I had Charleston in that game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they didn't cover late.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yes, And then what happened to the other one.

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Speaker 1: They should have lost to Memphis, but somebody gave Penny

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Speaker 2: Memphis had like the twenty eight year old player.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they had they had control of that game

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Speaker 1: late and they kind of blew it. But then you

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Speaker 1: get past those games, you know what I mean, And

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Speaker 1: then so I just think it's who do you see there? Like?

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Speaker 1: Who can get by these first couple of matchups and

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Speaker 1: then make it interesting in the sweet sixteen.

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Speaker 2: I said Perdue lost second round. They did, that's right.

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Speaker 2: The Big Ten tournament. They'll probably win it again, right

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the reason why you could see another FAU.

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Speaker 2: I graduated from James Madison, so I have I doesn't

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Speaker 1: yeah yeah, Chat and have had transfers from from Kansas.

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Speaker 1: They had major college transfers, and that was a team.

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Speaker 1: I thought if they had won that first round game,

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Speaker 1: they could have made a run because they had that experience.

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Speaker 1: They had those players who played at bigger colleges, and

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Speaker 1: James Madison is very similar. So those are things I

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Speaker 1: do think play an important role when especially when you're

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Speaker 1: looking at mid majors, Like we know Kentucky's not going

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Speaker 1: to have experience. They do the same thing every year.

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Speaker 1: They get the young guys that go to the NBA.

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Speaker 1: But those mid majors with experience can be tough.

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Speaker 2: I do want to like, you know, I do like

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Speaker 2: college hoops. It ain't what it was in the nineties.

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Speaker 2: It's not even what it was like fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 2: When do I mean maybe ten years ago? Remember the

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Speaker 2: Wisconsin team that took down the Kentucky team, Like those

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Speaker 2: were everybody knew the players. Kaminsky had been around the block, right,

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Speaker 2: Kentucky had like five star guys left and right. I

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Speaker 2: don't want to say a lot of the players are

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Speaker 2: largely unknown, but I mean Thomas, like you look around

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Speaker 2: at some of these teams, like not a lot. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of anonymity in college basketball this year.

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, listen, the most popular college basketball player isn't

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Speaker 1: a man. So it's that's a fact, right, Like I

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Speaker 1: do contact the you do you know? You do something

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Speaker 1: about Iowa women's basketball, and that kills I think, outside

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Speaker 1: of Zach Edy, I don't know how many players that

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Speaker 1: people know, to be completely honest with you, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think everyone knows Zach Edi because he's yep, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's eight feet tall and he is what he is.

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Speaker 1: But I just how many if you asked a casual

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Speaker 1: basketball fan, like maybe guys on Kentucky and Kansas, like,

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Speaker 1: how many can they name you?

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Speaker 2: I mean, Duke like you don't how many guys are

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Speaker 2: do you know the guy Duke who got run over

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Speaker 2: in the court storming right? You know, like other than that,

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Speaker 2: you're right, like North Carolina has a couple old guys

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Speaker 2: in Baycott and now the guard who went off Davis.

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Speaker 2: But you're right, I don't know, And like, listen, college

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Speaker 2: basketball is not going to get fixed. It's not the

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Speaker 2: money cash cow that college football is. So maybe this

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Speaker 2: is just the new normal unless they clean up the

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Speaker 2: transfer portal and then it goes back to you know,

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Speaker 2: a handful of dominant teams, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The other problem I think college basketball has right

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Speaker 1: now is it's kind of boring. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: ever watched the last two minutes of a college basketball game,

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Speaker 1: I mean they got nine timeouts, they got seven reviews.

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Speaker 1: This is just my personal opinion. I don't feel reviews

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Speaker 1: were made to put point two seconds back on the clock.

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Speaker 1: You have plenty of chances throughout the game to win it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: taking ten minutes and putting point two seconds back on

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Speaker 1: the clock is madness to me. But yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: like college basketball, the games are just so choppy at

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Speaker 1: the end, like even good games, like like I remember

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Speaker 1: the Fau Arizona game, which is probably game of the year.

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Speaker 1: There was a ten minute pause in that game for

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Speaker 1: a review, so we could go from one point seven

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Speaker 1: to one point nine seconds. So I think that has

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Speaker 1: is a little bit of a problem. And I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you the other thing too. I don't know, maybe we've

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Speaker 1: neutered the men's game a little bit because more people

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Speaker 1: watch it. But I watched the women's game, and girls

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Speaker 1: are like shooting guns and like and like talking to

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Speaker 1: each other and like talking smack. I remember a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago a kid for Kansas gott gotta steal

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Speaker 1: late and slammed in the final seconds, and Bill self

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Speaker 1: destroyed them in the media at a press conference where

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Speaker 1: we don't do this left, I mean, shut up, these

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Speaker 1: are kids. But I actually think the women's game is

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Speaker 1: more fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: Right now, Wow, that's a take. Now, I'll say this,

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark is drawing more eyeballs than men's college basketball games.

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Speaker 2: And it's not particularly close. No, I mean, listen, Fox

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Speaker 2: has some of them. They do one point seven million.

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Speaker 2: And for Iowa Nebraska, like nobody knows she's on the

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Speaker 2: Nebraska women's basketball team. Nobody, but Caitlyn Clark's playing and

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Speaker 2: everybody's tuning in. It's kind of a phenomenon. And and

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Speaker 2: like you you just pointed out something good. There was

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Speaker 2: a girl I kind of forget which team she was on,

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Speaker 2: blocked Caitlin Clark at the rim and then like stare

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Speaker 2: her down and it went like viral, and I was like, damn,

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Speaker 2: that's cool. Like women's college tups is definitely having a moment,

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Speaker 2: Like was it is it South Carolina that has that

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Speaker 2: awesome guard? There's some really good players. Uh, the Juju

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Speaker 2: Watkins from USC is a machine. It's I don't know,

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Speaker 2: why do you think this is happening where men's college

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00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 2: hoops is like taking a back seat. I can't ever

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Speaker 2: recall this happening.

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Speaker 1: I don't need I'll just tell you this though. The

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Speaker 1: funnest game I watched all year was LSU South Carolina

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Speaker 1: women's basketball. I mean, those girls were going at each other.

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Speaker 1: They were there at each other. I mean they were

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Speaker 1: hitting three after three and looking at each other. And

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I like, I like emotion

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Speaker 1: in sports college level. I mean, these are kids, and

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Speaker 1: you know, remember Christian Layner. Christian Laytner stared so many

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Speaker 1: people down and used to talk so much trash. They

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Speaker 1: made a thirty for thirty about how many how hated

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Speaker 1: he is and you know, Shack and I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think we've taken some of the originality out of

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Speaker 1: men's college basketball and it's kind of boring.

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Speaker 2: These are good takes, damn all right. So it's tough

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Speaker 2: to pin you down without seeing the bracket. But outside

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Speaker 2: of your Big Four, give me two teams to watch.

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Speaker 1: I do like the Iowa State team. I think when

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Speaker 1: they're when they're playing, they're they're a tough matchup when

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Speaker 1: you're not used to them, their defense, the way they play.

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Speaker 1: And another team I'll just say to watch out for.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they're gonna win it all or

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Speaker 1: make a fuck Florida. Florida had a bunch of transfers

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Speaker 1: come in, but they can shoot the basketball, they can score,

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Speaker 1: and they're the number one offensive rebounding team in the country.

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Speaker 1: So when you're playing teams like like say they're an

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Speaker 1: eight nine game right when you're playing Houston and Yukon

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Speaker 1: in that second round, you got to be able to

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Speaker 1: hit the boards, and that's something Florida does well. I

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Speaker 1: mean that's just more of a, you know, of a

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Speaker 1: long shot type of team. But the team I really like.

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Speaker 1: I got them thirty to one. I like North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: I think they're on a mission. I think they were

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Speaker 1: embarrassed last year with the way they played. Like you said,

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Speaker 1: they got a couple of experienced guys there. They got

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Speaker 1: the kid from Stanford Ingram who's been great. So they

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Speaker 1: got three studs. And if you have three studs in

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Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament sometimes that's enough. So I really like

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Speaker 1: the partials this year.

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Speaker 2: Damn, I don't have that. I have Tennessee, Arizona, Houston,

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Speaker 2: North Carolina at plus fourteen hundred and plus thirteen hundred

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00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: not good numbers clearly, and then Purdue plus seven sixty five,

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00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: so nothing extraordinary, but clearly I will be like you

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Speaker 2: rooting for North Carolina, which would not quite fun to vacation,

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Speaker 2: but be a very very nice hit. All right, Thomas, Hey,

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Speaker 2: this is great stuff, man. I love the passion for

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Speaker 2: college who Thanks for taking the time and talk to

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Speaker 2: you soon.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me