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Speaker 1: We uh, we're gonna, We're gonna recap Episode seventeen, Season five,
Speaker 1: Pulp Friction.
Speaker 3: Can I say that if anyone ever doubts your love
Speaker 3: and devotion for this show, they shouldn't thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Danielle Romo, the Queen.
Speaker 5: The Queen, the Queen, Amy Sugarman, the Queen of Queens,
Speaker 5: not the Queen, Tara SuDS soon to be Queen.
Speaker 3: And me King of Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 1: And I think we are ready to do some synopsisisations
Speaker 1: of this this episode.
Speaker 3: Did everyone bring their ribbons back? To return their ribbons?
Speaker 6: I just want to make sure.
Speaker 1: How to try Queen? Then I took it back, poor Lulu.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, all right?
Speaker 6: This is season five, Episode seventeen, Pulp Friction, Air date
Speaker 6: March eighth, two thousand and five. An agreement to only
Speaker 6: d casually inspires Rory to attend a party with one
Speaker 6: of Logan's friends. After she spies on Logan with another girl,
Speaker 6: Kirk asks a weary Luke for relationship advice. Michelle's game
Speaker 6: show prize arrives as Lorli and Suki prepared to guide
Speaker 6: a magazine writer around the inn.
Speaker 3: May I offer one question thought, I don't know what
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 1: Please.
Speaker 3: The costumes at the cult fiction Quentin Guarantino unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And the depiction of that famous dancing scene Trevolt and
Speaker 1: Uma Thurman, the way they did it.
Speaker 3: Looked exactly like it amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean, they choreographed that thing beautifully, and Tank and
Speaker 1: the actress who played Uma Thurman. It was brilliant. The
Speaker 1: moves were just perfect.
Speaker 3: It wasn't even the focus like it was, but it wasn't,
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? Like the background things happening,
Speaker 3: and the costumes that all those people were in just
Speaker 3: as minor, minor characters.
Speaker 1: They really recreated that moment. It was just super cool.
Speaker 1: It was one of the coolest Gilmore moments I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: I agree like this episode.
Speaker 1: A lot of fun.
Speaker 3: It's the one part of the movies that I love
Speaker 3: sorry about Sorry to the movies, sowet it Scott overall,
Speaker 3: what do you feel about this episode? Just kind of
Speaker 3: like your overall take, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I gotta tell you, you know, and we'll get
Speaker 1: into it. I think that the Winnebago stuff was really
Speaker 1: dragging it down. It was the same. It was like
Speaker 1: beating a dead horse. The joke didn't work to begin with,
Speaker 1: and they kept going back to it.
Speaker 6: I agree.
Speaker 1: I was happy to see more of Michelle, but.
Speaker 3: Misused.
Speaker 1: I believe, Yes, I agree with you. There it was.
Speaker 1: It was just.
Speaker 3: Hmmm, it's good, not great, Like it's not bad in
Speaker 3: any way. It's it's a good episode, maybe even a
Speaker 3: very good episode, but it's not. It's not phenomenal.
Speaker 1: It seemed long. I thought it was a double episode.
Speaker 1: I thought it was like, you know, I'm because I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell the listeners here that I was late.
Speaker 1: I hadn't. I forgot to watch this episode before a
Speaker 1: podcasting half hour before podcasting. It is forty forty two
Speaker 1: minutes to watch an episode, so they had to wait
Speaker 1: for me about fifteen minutes to finish the episode. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that, thank you, because I know your schedules are
Speaker 1: really tight in here. I am being mister casual. Oh,
Speaker 1: I forgot to do today.
Speaker 3: You usually watch it the night before, and.
Speaker 1: I have I do. I watched it the night before
Speaker 1: and then I watch it the day of because I
Speaker 1: want to get a double shot.
Speaker 3: It's my fault because I sent you four hundred and
Speaker 3: twelve texts last week.
Speaker 1: You did did what we were texting about.
Speaker 3: We were just going on, well it's in the weeds,
Speaker 3: but we were going on and on because the the
Speaker 3: strike is going to impact us a little bit with guests,
Speaker 3: so we.
Speaker 1: Are sitting out all of our ideas, all idea, so texting, idea, texting.
Speaker 3: So I was flooding him with text when he normally
Speaker 3: would be watching the show.
Speaker 1: So apologies, you know, just so I spaced on it
Speaker 1: today thinking I had already seen the episode for some reason.
Speaker 1: So anyway, you all gracefully waited for me. I appreciate that,
Speaker 1: thank you, and I hope it didn't put a crimp
Speaker 1: in your schedule. But I just kept waiting for it.
Speaker 3: To look at my hair. I had more time on
Speaker 3: my hair.
Speaker 1: Thank you, And it looks and it's just lovely, lovely.
Speaker 6: Yes, I was for once like proud of Rory, Like, yes,
Speaker 6: I never am. I'm always so annoyed by her, and
Speaker 6: in this episode I was like, oh, like you go girl,
Speaker 6: like finally, thank God?
Speaker 3: Like geez, wait, Tara and Danielle, before we get into
Speaker 3: the details, what was your overall take on this episode?
Speaker 6: That was it? Finally Rory? I don't know, is doing
Speaker 6: something a little bit right, although at the end you
Speaker 6: can recognize that she's getting into some hot water. But
Speaker 6: at least in the beginning part of the episode, I
Speaker 6: was like, you know what, I'm proud of you, girl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like this Rory.
Speaker 6: Standing up for herself and not letting him.
Speaker 3: You know, it would have been amazing if she did
Speaker 3: what was right for all the right reasons. But she
Speaker 3: did what was right to play the game, which is
Speaker 3: just as you said, going to get her.
Speaker 6: That is a very valid point. But we all know
Speaker 6: that Rory likes him, so it's like, yeah, she's going
Speaker 6: to play the game, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 6: at this point, like that gig is up, but like
Speaker 6: at least she's.
Speaker 3: Like, the is up?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 3: God? Is the jig is up? Not the gig is a.
Speaker 1: It could be either or you can say the gig
Speaker 1: is up for the g Yes, what what? What did
Speaker 1: you think?
Speaker 2: I kind of agree with Scott that I think the
Speaker 2: the Michelle stuff kind of just like I wanted to
Speaker 2: get through it. I didn't mind the Kurt stuff, but
Speaker 2: I just could have done without the Winnebago and all
Speaker 2: that storyline. But the rest of it I enjoyed.
Speaker 1: Because you know, Michelle is delivering the goods. He can
Speaker 1: deliver anything, and for things to be falling a little
Speaker 1: flat with the Winnebago stuff, then you know, like maybe
Speaker 1: the material isn't up to par.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a random it did, right?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Right? When was he in California and he went on prices? Right?
Speaker 3: And then he's trying to act like he wasn't on
Speaker 3: prey like it was just all like and it was
Speaker 3: a lot. I think Michelle wins with those zingers, yes,
Speaker 3: whereas I think he had pages of dialogue and it
Speaker 3: was like we just weren't used to that.
Speaker 1: Maybe right, right, So let's go through it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, you can ask you a question because coming
Speaker 3: off of what Danielle is saying, m hm, as a man,
Speaker 3: playing hard to get doesn't work. Being hard to get works, correct.
Speaker 1: Well, you can't care the only people that play that
Speaker 1: are hard to get are people that don't care because
Speaker 1: you can't play at it because the other you know,
Speaker 1: then you get hit in the face with her seeing
Speaker 1: another guy, and you start acting like Logan acted. You know,
Speaker 1: you have a breakdown. You have a mental breakdown.
Speaker 3: And vice versa. I think she's going to get in
Speaker 3: hot water because she's not She went with him for
Speaker 3: mixed reason.
Speaker 1: In shakespeare in terms, he was hoisted upon his own petar.
Speaker 3: Oh, what does that mean?
Speaker 1: That means uh uh she uh. He threw her up
Speaker 1: on the rack and and she got off the rack
Speaker 1: and threw him right up on the scene. You didn't like.
Speaker 3: It, He sure did. That's gonna be the most interesting
Speaker 3: part of this conversation. And I think, but the ribbons
Speaker 3: are coming home? What do you think everyone's returning their ribbons?
Speaker 2: Because I thought it was funny because they were in
Speaker 2: on it this time.
Speaker 6: I'm currently still wearing my blue one. So that's where
Speaker 6: I stand.
Speaker 3: What I love about Gilmore Girls is that they brought
Speaker 3: this bit back. It was sort of a C or
Speaker 3: a D storyline, but yet very amusing a few episodes back,
Speaker 3: and that it's the what is that called you know,
Speaker 3: in comedy that's a callback. So it's a callback, and
Speaker 3: it's like it was subtle, but I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 3: that's what draws me in, like I'm in this world
Speaker 3: because they do things like that. So that was my
Speaker 3: take on it.
Speaker 1: I also really liked the Kirk scenes with Luke and
Speaker 1: Luke Steiner the fatherly ad. You know, I guess you
Speaker 1: wouldn't call him the father but an uncle like uncle Luke.
Speaker 3: To brother Lee. I think you're like a older brother
Speaker 3: to him.
Speaker 2: Like we've put a lot of those this season. I
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 1: I like I like that chemistry with with Kirk, I
Speaker 1: really do, totally. Those are so polar opposite, you know.
Speaker 8: It's just it's funny you say that because you know,
Speaker 8: when you think of Gilmore Girls, right, you think of
Speaker 8: Luke and LAURAAI probably first, Rory and LAURAAI.
Speaker 3: First, you think of Emily and Richard. You think of
Speaker 3: the Gilmore Girls relationship with Richard and Emily, but really
Speaker 3: Luke and Kirk are a prominent relationship.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: That's it kind of feels. I mean, it's definitely different,
Speaker 6: but like Jess and Luke, you know, like that was
Speaker 6: definitely a relationship. But this feels a little bit more
Speaker 6: lighthearted than that, you know, like more like little brother,
Speaker 6: big brother, you.
Speaker 1: Know, like like Luke is not so invested in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's almost like you're so irritated by it,
Speaker 3: but you're not going to leave that guy hanging. No,
Speaker 3: you're putting up the chair, you're taking down the chair,
Speaker 3: you're sitting in it. You're telling this guy buddy. It's
Speaker 3: like it's like a weird best friend, like you're his
Speaker 3: best friend even though he's not yours. Do you know
Speaker 3: what I mean is it's real, real cute. I also
Speaker 3: just thought it was even though it was so like,
Speaker 3: my gosh, is Kirk trying to get Lulu's pink ribbon.
Speaker 3: She wants to keep it and he's there fustling and
Speaker 3: he comes into their sweater. I literally was like, good lord.
Speaker 1: That was a bit of a depiction of some type
Speaker 1: of violence against Lulu. I mean he ripped the sweater
Speaker 1: off her. I mean, how did he get it? Was
Speaker 1: mikes like geez, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. I also thought that seem so funny.
Speaker 3: She comes in, they're so cute. They kiss, and then
Speaker 3: he says says, you bring an enemy coffee cup in
Speaker 3: here on the day of our reconciliation.
Speaker 6: Why is she doing that though, Like leave the Weston's
Speaker 6: coffee back at home or throw it away.
Speaker 2: So the drink she got was so elaborate. True, it
Speaker 2: was like a mocha something.
Speaker 1: Caramel swirl.
Speaker 3: I do love that they're right back in it. We
Speaker 3: don't have to deal with like like any kind of
Speaker 3: bumps into getting back together road.
Speaker 6: It's like they're just that wasn't weird anybody?
Speaker 1: Yes, it was.
Speaker 6: It was weird to me.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like it really did a talk right right.
Speaker 1: It needed more tension. It was too quick back to normal.
Speaker 1: But I guess that's what they both wanted. But it's
Speaker 1: isn't it a little odd to see them together together?
Speaker 6: There's so much turmoil, Like literally.
Speaker 1: I always have tension. There's that's what we thrive on.
Speaker 1: That's why we It's like careful giving the fans what
Speaker 1: they want because now they have it, and now it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's well, it's definitely a different color and yay, right,
Speaker 1: But they may have been able to milk this for
Speaker 1: a couple of more seasons.
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's one episode in between last episode and this
Speaker 9: episode that's missing, and it's a Luke and Loralay episode
Speaker 9: where they're just like, Hey, this is what's gonna happen now,
Speaker 9: you know, like we're giving this another shot.
Speaker 6: This is what's gonna happen. This is what we're gonna do,
Speaker 6: and let's try it again. Like I that was missing
Speaker 6: because like all of a sudden, you saw the bear
Speaker 6: hug kiss the episode before you jump right into the
Speaker 6: diner and kiss, kiss, kiss, lovey, lovey lovey. It's like, what.
Speaker 3: Although we did get two moments in this episode, the
Speaker 3: awkward date pickup because he's like, oh's come to the door,
Speaker 3: but she's trying to come out, you know, he's trying
Speaker 3: to be really the perfect girl, and yeah a little bit.
Speaker 3: And then we do get the scene with Emily that
Speaker 3: I thought really solidified for right now it's Luke and
Speaker 3: Loralai against the world, specifically Emily.
Speaker 1: They really, you know, to to comment on Danielle's point
Speaker 1: that I agree with I would have and this scene
Speaker 1: may be coming, and maybe it's coming. I maybe we
Speaker 1: filmed it and I don't remember it, but I think
Speaker 1: this was also an opportunity to get them talking in
Speaker 1: a scene where they both agree to just sort of
Speaker 1: like not be together and let the detonation of the
Speaker 1: Emily bomb color the remainder of the season right part.
Speaker 1: So there's an extra tension going into season six.
Speaker 3: There's seventeen eighteen, nineteen twenty five, because imagine you've only
Speaker 3: got six left.
Speaker 1: Imagine those two coming together and really sitting down and
Speaker 1: having a real heart to heart and him really spelling
Speaker 1: it out and her listening, and you know, both accepting that, hey,
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna work. Because imagine what that would do
Speaker 1: to the fans, because then we could we could have
Speaker 1: another big wave of build up right into season six,
Speaker 1: and then geez man.
Speaker 6: The reconciliation was too easy. It was too easy. And
Speaker 6: and like I understand wanting them back together and Amy,
Speaker 6: I know you like love that, but for me, I'm like,
Speaker 6: that's not real life, Like you know, like you don't
Speaker 6: just like don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess maybe sometimes I know it's not
Speaker 2: real life, but I feel like it's very Loreli, Like
Speaker 2: she doesn't like huh dragging, Like she kind of moves
Speaker 2: on very quickly. So that's I think why I thought
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 6: She wanted it to be but not Luke, like Luke
Speaker 6: literally still has like tension with his sister, you know,
Speaker 6: like who has like literally come back in the picture
Speaker 6: like ten times, like kissing his feet, and he's still like,
Speaker 6: you're annoying, it's not realistic.
Speaker 1: So we're ratcheted up for the first cup four seasons
Speaker 1: with you know, her dating other guys, and then we
Speaker 1: cut to Luke and he's like, you know, giving a look,
Speaker 1: and it's like wow, wow, wow. Imagine the conflict they
Speaker 1: could have created if they did this again after they
Speaker 1: had the big heart to heart and they decided to
Speaker 1: break up for real and it was the whole thing
Speaker 1: in the in the town everybody was talking about. And
Speaker 1: then she starts dating again and then he's he's reliving
Speaker 1: that whole storyline again, but even on a deeper level.
Speaker 1: And imagine the conflict they could have coming back together again.
Speaker 3: Do you all think they could have gone okay, so
Speaker 3: say that we have this conversation where some of the
Speaker 3: angst was removed and they were going to not be together,
Speaker 3: but they're going to be friends again. Do you think
Speaker 3: they even could have gone back to that like where
Speaker 3: she she didn't have to go to Weston, she would
Speaker 3: come back into Luke's diner and they're they're pals, and
Speaker 3: he comes over with his tool box and fixes her door.
Speaker 3: But they're not together. Is that even possible?
Speaker 2: I think it would take a very long time to
Speaker 2: even kind of get there, but probably not the same
Speaker 2: as what we're used to sing.
Speaker 1: Well, you could do. Here's one solution to that, And
Speaker 1: that's interesting that you bring that up. One solution to
Speaker 1: that is there could be so much tension and humor
Speaker 1: between those two inside the diner that he decides to
Speaker 1: just sell it and leave it out. Right, look at
Speaker 1: the reaction, right and she and then he's an escrow,
Speaker 1: and then she shows up and then they have another.
Speaker 3: Escar.
Speaker 1: TJ's the real estate agent. Right, TJ becomes a real
Speaker 1: estate agent and represents Luke, And he's saying that scarrow,
Speaker 1: But they could have done so much. They could have toy.
Speaker 1: They could have really layered this and layered it, layered it.
Speaker 6: Oh man, Yeah, I'm weirdly just not satisfied that they're
Speaker 6: just back together.
Speaker 3: And and I guess if we're talking about it, let's
Speaker 3: keep talking about it. So what did you think of
Speaker 3: their cute date? He bought the he picks her up.
Speaker 3: They go on this date and you know, they they
Speaker 3: plan their date and they have this date and he's
Speaker 3: all handsome and cute and picks her up in the
Speaker 3: truck and she sees the reggae c D. And the
Speaker 3: whole kind of bit plays out when he says, well,
Speaker 3: that's different songs. It's like, I actually thought that date
Speaker 3: was quite cute, and I thought the awkwardness was quite
Speaker 3: uh realistic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like that she was like getting a new
Speaker 2: dress for it, Like I thought it was cute.
Speaker 3: And she's so nervous. It's too slutty, it's too sparkly.
Speaker 3: It's you know, she was very first date nervous.
Speaker 7: Again.
Speaker 1: You know what the issue is is now that they're together,
Speaker 1: they need their own show. You want more of it,
Speaker 1: not less of it.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's why we were little irritated by
Speaker 3: the Winnebago, because it's like, can you just get me
Speaker 3: back to the right?
Speaker 6: Yeah, also move the winnibago, Like, well that's my thing.
Speaker 3: The street.
Speaker 1: Really, there's got to be one person in that town
Speaker 1: that has had her back up and win a bag.
Speaker 1: I give me a break.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's an inn. No one's ever come there
Speaker 3: in a Winnebago. There's got to be parking, they have horses.
Speaker 6: Put it in a stable. I don't know, just like
Speaker 6: get it out of there, like it's not that.
Speaker 3: Hard, all right, Let's segue to Rory and Logan. So
Speaker 3: right after the opening scene, we jumped over to Yale,
Speaker 3: and Rory and Logan are clearly on the cutest date
Speaker 3: and they've gone to like a play, and then we
Speaker 3: learned that Logan's mom plays canasta with somebody that that
Speaker 3: Rory loves, which I couldn't figure out who that was.
Speaker 1: Tony Kushner, who wrote Angels in America won multiple time.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you. The knowledgeable one here.
Speaker 3: And they go in and they break into the cafeteria,
Speaker 3: which I thought was very logan and kind of dangerous,
Speaker 3: but I liked it. And she still leaves the money
Speaker 3: for the Coco pust. I know, you guys don't want
Speaker 3: to hear it, but I love them. I think it's
Speaker 3: adorable and everyone's gonna hate me with my whole take
Speaker 3: on this episode, but like cute.
Speaker 1: I did love them. And now there's real cracks in
Speaker 1: the armor, in the Logan armor.
Speaker 2: I like that scene, though I thought it was very
Speaker 2: It showed there like who they really are. Like he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: we can break in. My parents give this school so
Speaker 2: much money, and she's still leaving the five dollars bill
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 3: And that's why I don't understand why they have this
Speaker 3: dumb open relationship, because they clearly are like super into
Speaker 3: each other. The whole fact that they have to date
Speaker 3: other people is so dumb. Which we'll get to the
Speaker 3: scene where he's with the girl and it's just so painful. Oh,
Speaker 3: but they're so cute and he kisses her everywhere and
Speaker 3: all the time, and they clearly like each other.
Speaker 2: And I noticed that because he also kisses her in
Speaker 2: public all the time, Like it's not like he's trying
Speaker 2: to hide it.
Speaker 1: That's mark in his territory.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what we talked about last episode.
Speaker 3: But then it's even worse when he's canoodling with that
Speaker 3: other girl.
Speaker 2: Oh, I because now we actually see the other.
Speaker 1: I can't decide what he is now. I'm confused. Now
Speaker 1: is he's just a guy who wants a harem and
Speaker 1: if he loses control of one of his harem, he
Speaker 1: gets really nervous about it and then starts kind of
Speaker 1: meltdown or she really in love with her. I think
Speaker 1: he's to play it. He's just too young and naive
Speaker 1: and he thinks he can get with this stuff.
Speaker 3: Do you there.
Speaker 6: I think it's a little bit of both. I think
Speaker 6: he's young and naive and and you know, all that
Speaker 6: kind of stuff, and he does actually like her, But
Speaker 6: I also think he is used to getting what he
Speaker 6: wants and he's not getting what he wants, so he
Speaker 6: is like uber like.
Speaker 3: He's that guy like he doesn't like it.
Speaker 6: He doesn't like that, he that he's not in control
Speaker 6: of that situation.
Speaker 1: It was unappealing. It was real, and that's how you react,
Speaker 1: but it was unappealing. It was uncomfortable to simpler, the
Speaker 1: deconstruction of a character that they build up to be this.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what they do so well as
Speaker 1: they make you feel one way, and you know, I
Speaker 1: was tricked, and Amy's been tricked, and a lot of
Speaker 1: the fans have not been tricked. They smelled a rat
Speaker 1: right away.
Speaker 3: He's just mister popular. Everyone likes him. He's got the money,
Speaker 3: he's got the smarts, he's so funny, he's charming, and
Speaker 3: he I think he thinks he doesn't want to settle down,
Speaker 3: but I don't think he knows that what he actually wants.
Speaker 1: I just, you know, from an acting point of view
Speaker 1: and from a storytelling point of view, whether it's a
Speaker 1: novel or a film or a TV show, I love
Speaker 1: those guys. I personally love characters that never break. We
Speaker 1: never see them break, even though we never full of
Speaker 1: you know what, we don't see them break because we're
Speaker 1: It gets me on the edge of my seat wanting
Speaker 1: to know what's underneath. And that is a brilliant trick
Speaker 1: on how to play a character, how to lay a character.
Speaker 1: And now you know the mask is off and it's yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's what I was going to ask you. So
Speaker 3: you feel he broke a bit at the end, he broke.
Speaker 1: A lot so much and it was just.
Speaker 3: Ri I pyes, no, I'm not giving up on I'm
Speaker 3: not giving up on Logan. So okay, so get to
Speaker 3: go continue that. But we go back to he's just
Speaker 3: a kid, He's just a He's just he is that guy.
Speaker 3: We all know that guy. So we go to the
Speaker 3: inn and we see flowers and all this hubbub and
Speaker 3: cookies and cakes, and we learn the inn has been
Speaker 3: named one of the top ten inns in Connecticut, which
Speaker 3: they really glossed over.
Speaker 1: But that's like major, how many there must be a
Speaker 1: lot of inns in Connecticut?
Speaker 2: Really, But I think that's what I think, that's what
Speaker 2: should have been more of a storyline than the Winnebago
Speaker 2: because even like you saying it back, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I forgot that happened.
Speaker 3: Like I agree, I actually would have enjoyed that more.
Speaker 3: Yeh and Suki and Lorli and even Michelle like preparing
Speaker 3: the inn, and they like gloss over the fact that,
Speaker 3: like because of the Winnebago, they don't get to shoot
Speaker 3: the outside of the inn, Like that's bananas, right, It
Speaker 3: wasn't necessarily It's like funny, you.
Speaker 1: Have an actress of the caliber Melissa McCarthy, and this
Speaker 1: is how you use her in this episode?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 1: I think I think I think they missed on a
Speaker 1: couple of different They haven't been developing storylines or utilizing
Speaker 1: supporting characters or main supporting main characters and mean supporting
Speaker 1: characters in an effective way.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 3: We get this whole monologue about the coffee bean and
Speaker 3: tea leaf on sunset, and he gives the snow Globe
Speaker 3: and he's just not that into your book. And the
Speaker 3: Farmer's market and the price is right, and like for
Speaker 3: a person from La the callouts were pretty good because
Speaker 3: there is a coffee bean on sunset and the farmer's
Speaker 3: market is literally right where you line up for prices, right,
Speaker 3: Like that was totally accurate. But I just was like,
Speaker 3: I don't care. Yeah, yeah, like not to be mean,
Speaker 3: and like there's a whole.
Speaker 1: What's I got to do with Gilmore girls? You're taking
Speaker 1: it and taking a two out of stars Hollow without
Speaker 1: being out of Star's Hollow, So what's.
Speaker 3: The point, right, there's the Bob joke. What's this Bob
Speaker 3: Barker joke? Pick me Bob, I k neutered my dog
Speaker 3: and Nichola Chey's teeth guy, And I just was like
Speaker 3: I don't I don't care.
Speaker 2: But even like you said earlier, Amy, like when did
Speaker 2: he go to California? Like it wasn't even like it
Speaker 2: just seemed like a random storyline that they added in.
Speaker 3: Like did they owe a Winnebago plug? Like what was
Speaker 3: going because like why and I'm not look, don't come
Speaker 3: at me. I actually really there's a lot of good
Speaker 3: things in this episode, but I did sort of have somewhere.
Speaker 3: I'm like, they didn't care about this. I'm like trying
Speaker 3: to sell the Winnebago. I really don't care. Move it away,
Speaker 3: take it down to the you know wherever.
Speaker 1: I think I think we can just sort of close
Speaker 1: the book on the Winnebago. There's more in here that
Speaker 1: we can then.
Speaker 3: I love that Lorala heads over to Luke's for lunch.
Speaker 3: I thought that was very cute and she they have
Speaker 3: the cell phone bit and she puts the the speed dial,
Speaker 3: which is great because that come that's a callback and
Speaker 3: the vibrating joke and that was all very cute. That
Speaker 3: was great, and uh the boys and berry pie and
Speaker 3: that was all great and no complaints.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmmm. Uh but yeah, no, yeah, I
Speaker 1: like the cell phone stuff with Luke because you know,
Speaker 1: it's so he's so anti cell phone.
Speaker 3: Totally well and it's so funny in all if you
Speaker 3: dig in when you're doing your Gilmart Girl's research, They
Speaker 3: note that Luke actually used his cell phone in this
Speaker 3: episode in the diner.
Speaker 1: To use cell phones in the diner, Yeah, And.
Speaker 2: I felt like the sign was in like way more
Speaker 2: scenes this time. No cell phone.
Speaker 3: All that was cute. And then I Love Rory's in
Speaker 3: the car and she's on the phone and she's wearing
Speaker 3: that pink coat again. That pink coat got two. She
Speaker 3: wore the pink coat on the date for the play.
Speaker 3: And then she's and we're going to Friday Night her,
Speaker 3: which I actually was sort of like, Oh, okay, what's
Speaker 3: going to happen? How is she going to treat Emily?
Speaker 3: And it seems she's not as brutal, but she's certainly
Speaker 3: not warm.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we didn't get to see the dinner.
Speaker 3: No, that was interesting too, right, We got sort of
Speaker 3: the come in the door, the drinks, but I.
Speaker 1: Think I think we get to really see Emily how
Speaker 1: ugly Emily can be. I thought this was a very
Speaker 1: really harsh episode for her. I mean, she really revealed
Speaker 1: how how ugly she she can be. I mean, she
Speaker 1: referred to luc as what I mean, she had some
Speaker 1: horrible adjectives. She used the imbecile, that's mean, referred to
Speaker 1: too mean, and it's just you know, she was ranting
Speaker 1: and raving again and I mean, even listen, I will
Speaker 1: tolerate all of the Winnebago and the misuse of Suki
Speaker 1: and Melissa to get to that final scene in the
Speaker 1: diner tells her to shut up. That was a home
Speaker 1: run scene. I mean that was a big scene. But
Speaker 1: I also love the scene where Emily shoes the maid
Speaker 1: away she's going to fire her because when she's so
Speaker 1: sad a place setting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really right.
Speaker 6: I found it interesting that she thought Lorla was coming one.
Speaker 2: I did too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, that to me, proves that she's delusional.
Speaker 1: She does that there's a part of her that is
Speaker 1: completely oblivious to how other people feel and especially about her,
Speaker 1: So she doesn't she's not She doesn't see how her
Speaker 1: very powerful and very definitive behavior against her own family
Speaker 1: members is affecting anybody else. I mean, she just doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to. It doesn't register her.
Speaker 6: It is interesting. It is interesting because the one thing
Speaker 6: I like thought about when I was watching this episode
Speaker 6: is although it feels like Emily's, you know, in the
Speaker 6: last episode, like okay, you guys won, like you guys
Speaker 6: be together, you know, like giving Lurlai her way, it's
Speaker 6: really not. It's it's Emily doing something else just to
Speaker 6: get her way, which is to get Laura and Maury
Speaker 6: in her life. She's not doing this for Laura l
Speaker 6: I to be with Luke, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: Like it was just kind of like it, I don't know, very.
Speaker 3: Benefit, yeah is the word. She's never like altruistic, she's
Speaker 3: never just doing it for the good of doing it.
Speaker 6: Yeah. She's not doing it because, oh, Lourla loves Luke,
Speaker 6: you know. No, she's doing it because she wants to
Speaker 6: have LAURAAI and Rory in her life. But she was
Speaker 6: very bad. I wasn't expecting her to be so bent
Speaker 6: out of shape that Laura I was.
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the question. This is something that when
Speaker 1: I feel that something is being forced upon me, then
Speaker 1: I have to question it. And I think they cut
Speaker 1: the dinner out. They cut the dinner scene out just
Speaker 1: to get to the Richard and Emily scene about Luke
Speaker 1: is an imbecile and maybe he didn't understand what you
Speaker 1: were saying. No, I spelled it out, Richard, that imbecile. Well,
Speaker 1: there's two possibilities, Emily, either he didn't get it, or
Speaker 1: that he tried and they just didn't get back together
Speaker 1: and said So it was all like this spoon fed
Speaker 1: kind of exposition where it's like, oh, now, She's all
Speaker 1: set up to go back into Luke's diner and do
Speaker 1: that scene, and it just seemed very, very forced. It
Speaker 1: didn't seem like sophisticated, intelligent people having a conversation.
Speaker 3: It's interesting you bring that up because we so rarely
Speaker 3: get a scene with the two of them like that
Speaker 3: after the dinner.
Speaker 1: I don't know that we've yeah this sort of this
Speaker 1: arch kind of scheming and sort of imbecile, and he
Speaker 1: didn't get it, and you got to go back.
Speaker 3: In read that's what I'm reading right right. It's like, huh,
Speaker 3: there was something interesting about that scene in that it
Speaker 3: was happening and we don't We saw something we normally
Speaker 3: never see because we usually follow Rory and lore Lie
Speaker 3: out the door, so we rarely see what happens maybe
Speaker 3: once with Richard and Emily after a Friday night dinner.
Speaker 3: So there was something to me that I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: that's amusing, but I think you're right it was so
Speaker 3: it was too mean.
Speaker 1: It wasn't there was no emotional logic to it. There
Speaker 1: was this sort of forced logic to it. There was
Speaker 1: story forced story logic, like we have to get how
Speaker 1: do we get her into the diner how do we
Speaker 1: get her back into the diner?
Speaker 3: Right, and just that they would think that they're not
Speaker 3: back together. It never occurs to them, Oh no, they're
Speaker 3: back together, but they still don't want to be around you, Emily,
Speaker 3: although there was one funny line in that scene and I.
Speaker 1: Goose for.
Speaker 3: Goose for four people wasteful, But yeah, I mean, Scott,
Speaker 3: I think you're right. There's sort of maybe one of
Speaker 3: the reasons we're feeling this episode like good but not perfect.
Speaker 3: It is because there's all these sort of like things
Speaker 3: that were like, well, wait, why do they do that scene?
Speaker 3: And they're so mean? And what's with the window bagel?
Speaker 3: There's just a sort of some something a little off.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're a tough crowd, aren't we. We're Monday morning
Speaker 1: quarterback and every day of the week.
Speaker 3: So there, okay. So then lorlyon Ry go shopping and
Speaker 3: that is and which was important because they needed to
Speaker 3: go shopping so that we could then see Logan with
Speaker 3: the girl. And it was jarring for me, even though
Speaker 3: I've seen it.
Speaker 1: I was like, and there again another forced situation where
Speaker 1: it's like he just happens to be across the street
Speaker 1: having lunch the girl.
Speaker 2: I actually didn't think that one was forced, because he
Speaker 2: has talked about like not being just committed to Rory
Speaker 2: and now we actually got to see it.
Speaker 3: But what are the odds are going to be on
Speaker 3: the one street he's also on. But I guess it's
Speaker 3: a small world. Yeah, but it jarred me.
Speaker 6: I wrote, oh, yeah, they were just like together. It
Speaker 6: was like they were like together.
Speaker 3: And I wrote yuck. It did not make me feel good.
Speaker 3: I did not like seeing him and noodling with that girl.
Speaker 3: And we don't know that he's seen her, but she's
Speaker 3: definitely seen him. And then we find out in a
Speaker 3: minute that he sure saw her, and it was just like.
Speaker 6: All lore lives all too Oh.
Speaker 2: She's already not a fan of him.
Speaker 1: But if it wasn't for Logan and his privileged upbringing
Speaker 1: and his his rules of you know, of an open relationship,
Speaker 1: she wouldn't have forced herself to go with Robert and
Speaker 1: expand her horizons and feel her power, right, you know,
Speaker 1: and and grow a little. So we can thank Logan
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we get this, Yeah, we get comes. So
Speaker 3: we have that scene in the newsroom where Logan comes
Speaker 3: over to Rory and she's cold, she's definitely cold at first,
Speaker 3: and he's sort of dipping his toe in, like how's
Speaker 3: this gonna go? And he says, did you see me
Speaker 3: on State Street? And she's like, I did, which are we?
Speaker 1: No? He knew, he knew that.
Speaker 2: She's oh, I know, but just to go up and
Speaker 2: ask her that, I thought, like another girl.
Speaker 1: It's just this is the scene where he starts losing
Speaker 1: his cool words, dude, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: He wasn't Logan, because if he was Logan, he would
Speaker 3: be confident, like, there's no problem because this is our deal.
Speaker 3: So then all the the sow are we good?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 3: And she's like, no more sos? Would you take an? Like,
Speaker 3: it's just I just wrote eeke ouch. I still love him,
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong. I love him.
Speaker 1: Better make a big comeback here for it?
Speaker 3: I like, because it was cringe tasting, yeah, and I.
Speaker 1: Just you know, maybe that's the word for the episode,
Speaker 1: cringe test. It was cringed. Oh god.
Speaker 3: And then we'd go, okay, so we I feel like
Speaker 3: we've definitely talked about the winning Bago enough, so we
Speaker 3: get the Winnebago. Yeah. Then we get Robert asking out
Speaker 3: Rory for the birthday, and he actually was sort of
Speaker 3: quite charming in the way he asked her yeah, and
Speaker 3: it was like, well, wow, okay, she's in the library
Speaker 3: he walks up. Oh my, okay, stop. I don't know
Speaker 3: what she was supposed to do. Did everyone think she
Speaker 3: did what she should have done?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what you do in college, you know, like, hey,
Speaker 6: I'm going to this party tonight. You want to roll with?
Speaker 6: You know, like it was very just like cute college.
Speaker 6: But also she like totally why are you laughing at me.
Speaker 3: Daniel that I love it. That's how it goes in college. Hey,
Speaker 3: I'm going, buddy, you want to roll with? Like I think,
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't remember how people ask people out.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I just remember in college, like you know, like the
Speaker 6: guys being like, you know, hey, come over before we'll
Speaker 6: have some drinks and then we'll go to this party.
Speaker 6: You know, like it's just like fun, casual light. We're
Speaker 6: not going to seventy five dollars Chinese dinners. You know,
Speaker 6: Like she's like college.
Speaker 3: And you do date around in college. That is the
Speaker 3: one thing I will say, whether I'm defending Robert Rory
Speaker 3: Logan Logever, right, you do date around.
Speaker 6: You do like we had a lot of the parties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. We had a party which I still
Speaker 3: think I'm scarred by. Where so you would meet your date,
Speaker 3: whoever your date was at the party. It was sort
Speaker 3: of like a setup kind of. Maybe it was like
Speaker 3: a set up your buddy, and you'd be wearing a
Speaker 3: shirt that would say like, I don't know Luke, and
Speaker 3: their shirt would say Laura l I. And then you'd
Speaker 3: find each other and then you took sharpie markers and
Speaker 3: colored on each other horrible, horrible party color.
Speaker 1: After you did the ad, didn't no no drugs.
Speaker 3: You'd take markers, like actual markers. And the whole point
Speaker 3: was everyone was wearing these white T shirts, so you'd
Speaker 3: color on the shirts, but everybody would Your whole face
Speaker 3: would be oh my god. First of all, when I
Speaker 3: was a pledge, I was like, please don't color my face.
Speaker 3: I hate having marks on my face. And then once
Speaker 3: I wasn't a pledge, it was like, do not touch
Speaker 3: my face with the pen.
Speaker 6: I did something similar, but it was called a paint party.
Speaker 6: So you wear white and you go. I don't even
Speaker 6: know where we were. We could have been in just
Speaker 6: an open parking lot. You brought a date and there's
Speaker 6: tables of paint everywhere and just like a DJ, and
Speaker 6: everyone's just you know, drinking and just throwing paint at
Speaker 6: each other. You just having your hair and.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm dating myself with this. But my first year
Speaker 1: in college, it was like every single party we went
Speaker 1: to was a Rocky Horror Picture show themed party because
Speaker 1: it was blowing up huge and it was it was
Speaker 1: like people were dressing up with these characters and going
Speaker 1: to the theaters at midnight, watching another show at two,
Speaker 1: getting up on stage. So every single party you went to,
Speaker 1: it was like there's like twenty Frankenfritters, you know at
Speaker 1: the park. Yeah, yeah, what is happening?
Speaker 3: For some reason, we had a lot of There was
Speaker 3: a lot of twenties. I remember really wearing a lot
Speaker 3: of flapper dresses, Like I.
Speaker 2: Think I had like one flapper dress I wore like
Speaker 2: six times. Someone always threw or eighties yeah or eighties.
Speaker 3: Oh, anyway, nobody threw a pulp friction, but I sure
Speaker 3: would have enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: I never you know why I never went to any
Speaker 1: eighties parties in college because I went to college.
Speaker 6: Because you were in the eighties.
Speaker 3: That was the future.
Speaker 1: That would have been let's do a party four years
Speaker 1: in the future.
Speaker 3: So does everybody agree, all four of us, that Rory
Speaker 3: did the right thing by saying yes to Robert asking
Speaker 3: her to go to the party.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, the only she knew.
Speaker 2: I feel like she knew what she was doing too.
Speaker 2: I feel like she knew that Logan was going to
Speaker 2: be there and she's gonna He's gonna see her with
Speaker 2: another guy, Like I think she kind of just I know,
Speaker 2: I've done that before. I'm not gonna lie, like, you know,
Speaker 2: the guy he likes going to be.
Speaker 3: There, totally. My only thing is this is Yale, right?
Speaker 3: Why is there just one group of kids and Marty?
Speaker 3: Like that's it, that's the last kids and Marty. But
Speaker 3: it's true. So I have a friend in college who
Speaker 3: a guy asked her to a date party knowing that
Speaker 3: the guy she really they were friends, so I think
Speaker 3: they were even in Cahoot knowing that the guy she
Speaker 3: really liked was going to be at the date party.
Speaker 3: So she fully went with this guy, Jimmy, because the
Speaker 3: guy she liked was going to be there, so she
Speaker 3: got to see him, and then they dated and they've
Speaker 3: been married for thirties. Oh wow, So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Rory might be onto something.
Speaker 6: Minus the second half. I did that all the time
Speaker 6: in college too. I went yeah at the date parties
Speaker 6: all the time when I liked somebody else. Yeah, you know, like,
Speaker 6: why not.
Speaker 2: I'm here so you yeah?
Speaker 3: Right. Maybe we're looking at this with forty year old
Speaker 3: eyes average between all of us, forty year old eyes
Speaker 3: instead of twenty year old eyes. A twenty year old
Speaker 3: would say yes to Robert knowing that they fully had
Speaker 3: the intention of going to make the guy they actually
Speaker 3: liked either jealous or kiss him that night, which worked. Yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe she's crazy like a fox.
Speaker 6: I don't think any Rory did anything wrong there.
Speaker 3: And I was proud of her. I know we're jumping
Speaker 3: ahead that she stayed calm, She wasn't like acting nuts,
Speaker 3: she was being cool. She still kisses him and then
Speaker 3: says no, no, like and he wants to get out
Speaker 3: of there, itches date and take her away, and she's like, no,
Speaker 3: I came with Robert, Robert Grimaldi.
Speaker 1: I know, a real Grimaldi. That was funny.
Speaker 3: So I don't know what so what would how would
Speaker 3: you guys have played that? Or did she do the
Speaker 3: right thing.
Speaker 1: You know why she said Grimaldi, don't you.
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't know where she got it.
Speaker 1: It's an Italian house, Italian house at Grimaldi, it's royalty.
Speaker 1: It's Italian royal.
Speaker 3: Oh so she's just like so she's.
Speaker 1: Like like, I'm dating a bigger fish than you logan like,
Speaker 1: you know, but she's does it doing been? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's been hundreds and hundreds of years.
Speaker 3: I love back there because the mom's like, what's his name?
Speaker 9: Robert?
Speaker 3: And then at the party, she's what's your last name?
Speaker 3: It's his last name? Why do I want to say
Speaker 3: it's Zimmerman. That's not right? What is his last name? Roberts?
Speaker 1: Robert?
Speaker 3: What is Robert's last name?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: He didn't deliver the line in that episode.
Speaker 1: Say according to Hannah, it's just Robert.
Speaker 3: Oh goodness. So okay, well here, okay, so we do
Speaker 3: go back. We're going back and forth, right, So we
Speaker 3: go to the date between Luke and Laura Lai and
Speaker 3: we're in the truck and I can't even remember what
Speaker 3: leads up to this.
Speaker 1: I want to comment on on maybe the finest UH
Speaker 1: run of Dialogue, and the show was delivered by Robert
Speaker 1: about what's he wants, what he wants to do with
Speaker 1: his life, and that whole monologue about how he wants
Speaker 1: to leave the inheritance to a parrot named Steve.
Speaker 3: Or can anybody read that? Can somebody read that?
Speaker 1: I put that up?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, somebody if you can.
Speaker 1: A script and put that up because that was just.
Speaker 3: And while they're looking for it, My favorite line of
Speaker 3: this whole episode is in the truck while they're finding
Speaker 3: that one, when Lorelai says something and Luke says, you bet,
Speaker 3: and it's the way he delivers it. I don't even know,
Speaker 3: I need to know what she says for his response,
Speaker 3: and he says, you bet, and it's.
Speaker 1: Just like I remember. I. I love doing those lines
Speaker 1: because it says everything about how deeply it hurt him
Speaker 1: and how deeply he feels with hol getting too into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very Luke. Yes, Okay.
Speaker 1: Waitin goal in life is to outlive my brother inherit
Speaker 1: the family fortune, put all my sisters out on the
Speaker 1: street and live as frivolously as possible, having numerous wives,
Speaker 1: thousands of illegitimate children, and die completely alone. And you've
Speaker 1: every cent sent to a pirate named Polly. I love
Speaker 1: that this was.
Speaker 3: Like great, I mean really good. Wait, Hannah, and I
Speaker 3: don't mean to make more work for our producer, Hannah,
Speaker 3: but can you see if you can find out the
Speaker 3: line that comes right before they're in the truck and
Speaker 3: she hates that they spend a chunk of time apart,
Speaker 3: like she hates it. He's getting a reggae fever CD
Speaker 3: and she doesn't even know it. And then she says
Speaker 3: something and he says, you bet, And I just need
Speaker 3: to know the line that he says, because I was like, swoon, swoon.
Speaker 3: I love Luke swoon.
Speaker 1: But isn't she lovely that she needs him so much?
Speaker 1: And she just loves being in there relationship with him. Yes,
Speaker 1: I hate that we were apart.
Speaker 3: So she says, this is so weird. I mean to
Speaker 3: think that there's this whole chunk of time when we
Speaker 3: weren't together. We're living totally separate, just working like crazy,
Speaker 3: and you were running around buying.
Speaker 1: Reyk CD one CD one oh.
Speaker 3: And then she says all he can say is you're
Speaker 3: lucky and back in your life, because clearly you were
Speaker 3: lost without me. I mean, it's a miracle. I can't
Speaker 3: see that part.
Speaker 6: It's an still alive.
Speaker 3: Oh you're even still alive?
Speaker 7: Right? You bet?
Speaker 3: Oh got you still got it?
Speaker 1: I still got it? You know you know where I
Speaker 1: got that line reading? Do you know where I got
Speaker 1: that line reading? My dad?
Speaker 3: Oh swoon, double swoon.
Speaker 1: No, my dad. That's how. That was My dad's attitude.
Speaker 1: The bigger the moment. He would always go, you bet, oh, yes, that.
Speaker 3: Was well done. So we go to the pulp fiction
Speaker 3: Friction party. The costumes are amazing. I do think it
Speaker 3: was weird that Finn kept not knowing who Rory was.
Speaker 3: I was like, a little bit to me dumb. But
Speaker 3: what Yeah, uh, Logan's on the couch calling no date.
Speaker 3: You know, the whole, the whole, all the girls and
Speaker 3: they're all it's very party college party. It seemed like
Speaker 3: a fun time, right, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that and like you said, the costumes were great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think parties are fun.
Speaker 3: That would have been rat And I'm not even one
Speaker 3: for costume party, but that would have been rat. And
Speaker 3: like Scott said, the recreation of the dance was, oh
Speaker 3: my god, amazing. So while the parties going on were
Speaker 3: simultaneously with Luke and Lorelai discovering Kirk naked in the
Speaker 3: boat well.
Speaker 2: But we also there was one part that I can't
Speaker 2: remember if we brought it up, but when they were
Speaker 2: talking about just the banter between Luke and Kirk and
Speaker 2: like he should live alone, and he was just like,
Speaker 2: well I asked my mom to leave, is you will leave?
Speaker 1: Do you know what I do? You know what a
Speaker 1: Salien point? But you know what I just realized, and
Speaker 1: this is something that happened yesterday too. It's very strange.
Speaker 1: Luke in his uniform is a superhero. That's his superhero uniform,
Speaker 1: that backwards baseball cap, that flannel, that is an actual
Speaker 1: superhero uniform. Because when it's not on, it's a different person.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things that was jarring to
Speaker 1: me is watching this person who is me, who's twenty
Speaker 1: years younger, without his hat on, and he's dressed in
Speaker 1: regular clothes and a leather jacket and he's out on
Speaker 1: a date. It's a whole different experience. You experienced Luke
Speaker 1: in a much different way, or at least the idea
Speaker 1: than when he has his superhero uniform on. I mean,
Speaker 1: it says I think that that Luke costume is his
Speaker 1: iconic as a I mean, I'm not going to compare
Speaker 1: it to Batman, but I just kept thinking of Batman,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I see what you're saying. That it gives
Speaker 3: right when he's in the in the diner outfit, he's
Speaker 3: more confident. He's that hat gives some power. I kind
Speaker 3: of equate it to musicians that were sunglasses, like it's
Speaker 3: like they you can't quite see them for their their truth.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not mad at this analogy.
Speaker 1: And Caesar is Alfred.
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at any of it. So I'm not
Speaker 3: mad at it.
Speaker 4: Right, And then you know, right, so he is always
Speaker 4: a little he's not quite as on his game when
Speaker 4: he's like date Luke or suit Luke is like the
Speaker 4: most off his game.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, you know, if you think about like
Speaker 3: plays in the full suit, I.
Speaker 6: Think it goes mantel Luke, right, the uniform, and then
Speaker 6: he goes PJ.
Speaker 9: Luke.
Speaker 3: That's pretty good.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to think of what the third thing is.
Speaker 3: Green jacket, the green jacket, green.
Speaker 1: Jacket full that's full superhero.
Speaker 3: I totally agree it's the green.
Speaker 1: Jacket with a flannel underneath. But no, Daniel, the next
Speaker 1: level under p j Luke is dating Luke casual.
Speaker 6: Dat leather jacket, leather jacket.
Speaker 1: Luke right, and then there is the suit, the suit look,
Speaker 1: which is the most awkward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not going well. Yeah, so we go back
Speaker 3: to the party. So there we're dealing with Kirk and
Speaker 3: they invite him to stay, you know, which was seemed
Speaker 3: logical and sweet. We go back to the party and
Speaker 3: this is where Logan, uh those over to talk to Rory,
Speaker 3: and Logan doesn't even like it. Yeah, doesn't like his friend.
Speaker 3: He's like, he's a jerk. I hate Robert.
Speaker 1: She unmasked the beast.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well said.
Speaker 3: Then we have a so that he kisses her and
Speaker 3: wants her to go back to your place, my place.
Speaker 3: Let's just get out of here. I don't like this,
Speaker 3: you know. So then we go back and I actually
Speaker 3: really enjoyed the scene with Luke and Lorelai in the
Speaker 3: kitchen discussing this date. You know, she's looking at her phone.
Speaker 1: Wasn't that okay, Danielle? You think that just to go
Speaker 1: back to the Logan kiss, Let's get out of here,
Speaker 1: Let's go to my place. Wasn't that just full on desperation? Yes,
Speaker 1: and just panicking he was completely panicked, and it.
Speaker 6: Was like I was like, any any lettle coolness you
Speaker 6: once had is gone gone?
Speaker 1: Is this guy? Is this the real logan? Is that
Speaker 1: the real guy?
Speaker 6: He's a score me? Like ye laughing because I would
Speaker 6: have been.
Speaker 3: I'm only laughing because I would have been like, Okay,
Speaker 3: let's let's get out of here. I love him, and
Speaker 3: I know she loves him. I'm her she. I mean,
Speaker 3: it took probably all her strength to be like no, no.
Speaker 3: I would have been like, good call, let's get out
Speaker 3: of here. Boom.
Speaker 1: You would have been the one saying the logan lines.
Speaker 1: I would have logan, come.
Speaker 3: On, let's get out of I get it. I'm logan too.
Speaker 3: I would have like, get me out of here. I
Speaker 3: do like Luke and Lorel like discussing it, because Luke
Speaker 3: is saying all the things that seemed right to say,
Speaker 3: like wait, who's robber? Like what's going on?
Speaker 10: You know?
Speaker 3: And she's sort of talking about she really only pulls
Speaker 3: the mom card out when she had to, and now
Speaker 3: she barely can have a mom card because it's like
Speaker 3: Rory's gone, like gone, she's cooked, she's she's grown up.
Speaker 3: There's no mom card to pull.
Speaker 2: I did like that she was having the conversation with
Speaker 2: Luke though, because Luke is so involved in her life
Speaker 2: that it goes back to you know, when they walked
Speaker 2: in on her and Logan like Luke cared because he's
Speaker 2: seen her grow up, and so it was nice to
Speaker 2: see them have this conversation.
Speaker 3: Kirk walking out during the middle.
Speaker 1: She has no idea, of course, So.
Speaker 3: Then we get to the din somehow, we're somehow we
Speaker 3: jump to the diner. I'm not really sure, Like I just.
Speaker 1: I just want to preface this whole discussion of the
Speaker 1: diner with the Emily coming in and the whole thing
Speaker 1: with the whole Luke and no cell phone thing, which
Speaker 1: is iconic, right, Yeah, what a ninja move he pulled
Speaker 1: with a cell phone. Oh totally. He took it out
Speaker 1: of his pocket and called so that she could hear,
Speaker 1: and he just stepped back, leaned back, and.
Speaker 3: He never engage it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very he's he's good with a cell phone.
Speaker 3: And he's also very good with Emily in the sense
Speaker 3: that he stands up for himself. You know he does
Speaker 3: because I think he says look or something, he says
Speaker 3: something to her, like he's not just like her punching bag,
Speaker 3: but he never is inappropriate with his girlfriend's mother, despite
Speaker 3: the fact that Emily is so vile. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: I have to hand I have to give him ten
Speaker 3: out of ten on just a situation.
Speaker 1: That was a super cool totally as Laura hears that,
Speaker 1: she comes in and she closes that deal.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and yeah to get involved, you know, like Emily's
Speaker 6: none the wiser.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she comes in just hot, what on earth is
Speaker 3: wrong with you? And I come in here and humiliate
Speaker 3: myself and Ma and then she's just Loralai comes in,
Speaker 3: do us all a favor and shut up?
Speaker 1: Five years of rage, five years of rage coming in
Speaker 1: putting into that shut up. It was she She just
Speaker 1: nailed that. That was a man, what a what a scene?
Speaker 1: You know, who cares if it was forced that she
Speaker 1: got her in there and all this stuff that was
Speaker 1: scene was worth it.
Speaker 3: I totally agree. And just as we're all completely by
Speaker 3: the scene, we take a breath and we get Luke saying,
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of the speed dial.
Speaker 2: Oh that was my favorite. That was my favorite line
Speaker 2: in this episode.
Speaker 3: It was the perfect timing too, because we'd also we
Speaker 3: had time to sort of exhale and then it's boom.
Speaker 2: But it's like, I just can't believe she came back
Speaker 2: to the diner. I was like, really, you're coming back.
Speaker 6: In There's something about this scene that I loved, but
Speaker 6: also it was weird to me, and I can't pinpoint
Speaker 6: what it is.
Speaker 10: Like.
Speaker 6: I love that Loralai is standing up to Emily and
Speaker 6: saying like stop, but.
Speaker 1: Like because because because em I'll tell you why it
Speaker 1: bothers me, it probably bothers me the same way it
Speaker 1: bothers you. It's because she's smarter than that that the
Speaker 1: go back in there and be so nakedly evil. There's
Speaker 1: there's there are other ways to do this. I mean,
Speaker 1: Emily is supposed to be this intelligence, sophisticated sort of
Speaker 1: strategic person, you know what I mean. I mean, in
Speaker 1: order to survive your marriage with a guy like Richard
Speaker 1: for all those years and vice versa. You know, we're
Speaker 1: talking about two very clever people who are very good
Speaker 1: with people, and they're used to getting what they want.
Speaker 1: And with all her womanly whiles and all of her
Speaker 1: experience with people, she couldn't figure out how to get
Speaker 1: Luke to go lor Lie or how to you know,
Speaker 1: inspire him or induce him to go to lore in
Speaker 1: some other way than just coming into the diner for
Speaker 1: the second time being forceful and evil. I mean it
Speaker 1: was That's what was was off about it.
Speaker 3: She's smart character was.
Speaker 1: So dumb down. It didn't even sound like her.
Speaker 3: And she knows how to clean up a mess, and
Speaker 3: she wouldn't have made it more of a mess.
Speaker 6: And I think part of me is also like again,
Speaker 6: you know, like again we're here, yeah, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, Like can we be a little bit more
Speaker 6: creative here? Like I don't know, like all right, a,
Speaker 6: lore Lie and Emily again are having a blowout, you know,
Speaker 6: like we saw this at the end of the wedding
Speaker 6: or the vow renewal. We saw this in season one,
Speaker 6: you know, like we saw this in the flashbacks when
Speaker 6: Laura got pregnant. Like it's just the same and I
Speaker 6: and I just want them to like progress so bad,
Speaker 6: evolve this.
Speaker 1: Probable, well not possible, possible, but not probable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would have preferred her to go
Speaker 2: to Lorelei instead of Luke, Like why not just go,
Speaker 2: like go knock on your daughter.
Speaker 3: I won't even talk. I mean, right, you make it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm saying, like, I know she won't pick
Speaker 2: up the phone, but go knock on your daughter's door
Speaker 2: and have that conversation there.
Speaker 3: Don't go to the again, Well it's so inappropriate, but
Speaker 3: she did.
Speaker 1: But Emily did think that she was dealing with an imbecile.
Speaker 1: And yeah, right, so it's like, let's go whip the
Speaker 1: imbecile into action, right, which.
Speaker 6: Is just a puppet, her little puppet.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine any mother messing with their daughter's relationship.
Speaker 3: It's just so excruciating.
Speaker 1: Oh, and it's and at thirty what seven years old?
Speaker 1: She's thirty seven and her mother's still pulling this crap
Speaker 1: on her. Yeah, like what.
Speaker 3: So bad?
Speaker 1: She's unhinged. I would have to say unhinged.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So then we go from that to the scene that
Speaker 3: I sort of love and love to hate, and as
Speaker 3: Danielle mentioned, oof, we're going down a bad old path.
Speaker 3: So it's lor Lai at the end on the phone
Speaker 3: with Rory talking about the date with Robert and she
Speaker 3: shoes all our cards to her mom. Oh, we got
Speaker 3: logan jealous and I think I've turned things around and
Speaker 3: we have.
Speaker 6: Two dates this week.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's called me all the time.
Speaker 1: You know, for me, this is a superfluous episode. Scene
Speaker 1: didn't need it. I thought for sure we would end
Speaker 1: on mom, shut up bone.
Speaker 3: But they never end on the crescendo. They always give
Speaker 3: you a little something more. And my thing on this
Speaker 3: scene is like it's necessary because we see that Rory
Speaker 3: isn't cool with dating casually, and she isn't actually she's
Speaker 3: she's not actually cool with any of it, and it's
Speaker 3: all a it's all a plan to get Logan.
Speaker 6: And she's you can tell Rory is setting herself up
Speaker 6: for heartbreak.
Speaker 2: Oh also, do you like that? Just a question for everyone?
Speaker 2: Do you like that Laura I is kind of just
Speaker 2: listening and not giving feedback or do you wish she
Speaker 2: would like kind of like tell Rory like, oh well,
Speaker 2: like what if you did that? Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: because I.
Speaker 6: Feel like that she's letting her daughter figure it out
Speaker 6: because she didn't have that growing up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great question though, Tara.
Speaker 2: But I feel like Laurel I is also wondering if
Speaker 2: she should be saying something because the way, like her
Speaker 2: mannerism is the way she talks to Rory about Logan,
Speaker 2: like she wants to say so much, but she's not
Speaker 2: saying anything.
Speaker 6: Sometimes she does say stuff right, you know, and and
Speaker 6: she she gives a little a little bit.
Speaker 11: Oh so you know, you guys are having sex, you know,
Speaker 11: like you know, like the way she delivers it is
Speaker 11: hesitant and not you know, she's saying something without saying something,
Speaker 11: and like persuading.
Speaker 6: Her daughter to or manipulate her daughter to do something.
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Speaker 1: So let's do. Let's do favorite lines, Tara, what was
Speaker 1: your favorite line?
Speaker 2: Mine was when Luke says, suddenly, I'm a big fan
Speaker 2: of speed Dial.
Speaker 6: Danielle, shut up, shut up.
Speaker 3: I mean I'm torn between Robert. What's your last name?
Speaker 3: That you bet?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 3: Grimaldi? The dress is Sluttie. I mean there. Even though
Speaker 3: the episode wasn't the best, there's really amazing parts to it.
Speaker 3: So I will reflect that in my score. What's your
Speaker 3: favorite line?
Speaker 1: I don't know? Uh?
Speaker 3: Do you bet? I want to hear you say it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It hit me pretty deep. It really did, because
Speaker 1: it was just it was just my dad coming out
Speaker 1: in me. That was my dad.
Speaker 3: You bet you Scott slash Loop sure knows how to
Speaker 3: deliver those lines, right.
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: Give credit of the old man?
Speaker 3: Is his name, mister Patterson?
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: Give for the score?
Speaker 1: What's the measuring stick and what's the total? Tara?
Speaker 2: I give it eight point five cocoa puffs?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm daniel eight point five?
Speaker 6: Wow, Danielle eight point seventy five reggae fever albums.
Speaker 3: Amy eight point nine. That blanket wrapped around Kirk for
Speaker 3: like when he's naked for like half the episode.
Speaker 1: Gosh, yeah, I'm gonna give it an eight point eight
Speaker 1: five cell phones?
Speaker 3: Oh be done? What's next week? Next?
Speaker 1: Season five, Episode eighteen, to live and let diorama.
Speaker 3: I'm a little bit I don't know what the word is, sad, concern,
Speaker 3: disappointed that we're in season five, episode eighteen. You know,
Speaker 3: I've never watched the final episode. I couldn't do it
Speaker 3: and maybe ever Nope, I know scenes from it, but
Speaker 3: I've never watched That's the one episode I've never watched
Speaker 3: its entirety. I just skipped it over from like seven
Speaker 3: from season seven. I watched all the movies, but I
Speaker 3: felt like, if I don't watch it, it's not over.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, So you've never seen Yeah, I'm never
Speaker 2: going to be the only one who's seen the final episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never seen that episode in its entirety.
Speaker 1: I wonder when we get there, when we get to
Speaker 1: that point, well all forget to watch it repeatedly. Well sorry,
Speaker 1: we'll just have to deliver.
Speaker 3: Season seven is just going to be different for us,
Speaker 3: so again and season seven so weird.
Speaker 2: I said, season seven gonna be is very different for us, all.
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