Speaker 1: The volume and hello, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us for another episode of Nightcap. As you watch
Speaker 1: the OKC Thunder even the series up one one with
Speaker 1: a one twenty three one oh seventh victory over the
Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers that got back on the winning track. Now
Speaker 1: they're gonna go back go to Indiana on Tuesday and
Speaker 1: see if they can snatch home court back. Thank you
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Speaker 1: favorite AUNC Shanna Sharp, my partner and co host member
Speaker 1: of the Nightcap team, Liberty City's own Benga Ring of
Speaker 1: Fame honoree Pro Bowler, All Pro Chad o Cho Senko Johnson,
Speaker 1: our third member of the Big Three, joined us during
Speaker 1: the basketball season. Now he's doing an excellent job begging
Speaker 1: about bringing this man off for football.
Speaker 2: He knows so much about football.
Speaker 1: You know, all things are no good time now, argusas
Speaker 1: David University of Arkansas love I saw Joe Joe Johnson
Speaker 1: and joining us to break down tonight's game. He's a
Speaker 1: former member of the Indiana Pacers. He's a seven. He's
Speaker 1: a six time All Star, three time All NBA selection
Speaker 1: from Old Claire High School out of Columbia, South Carolina
Speaker 1: area is Jermaine O'Neill.
Speaker 2: Let's get right into it.
Speaker 1: Ok See, they won the most games in the regular
Speaker 1: season really with the exception of the Nuggets. They kind
Speaker 1: of breezed through the playoffs. We knew they were gonna
Speaker 1: bounce back, and they did this in convincing fashion. Joe,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with you, then I'm gonna kick it
Speaker 1: to you. Jamaine, what did you like about what you
Speaker 1: saw from OKC tonight? I thought OKAC was, you know,
Speaker 1: relentless and their approach knowing that you know, there's no
Speaker 1: way they can go back there, they can go to
Speaker 1: Indiana down two. You know, I thought they came out
Speaker 1: played with a sense of desperation and they kind of continued,
Speaker 1: you know, pretty pretty much throughout the entire game. And
Speaker 1: for me, you know, I think when when you watch
Speaker 1: this final, especially knowing what what OKC have done, you know,
Speaker 1: pretty much throughout the whole season, which has been the
Speaker 1: best team. I thought they put their stamp on the
Speaker 1: game to day and they never took their foot off
Speaker 1: the gas.
Speaker 2: I thought they were great yeah, they jail for me.
Speaker 1: I thought they did a lot of the same things
Speaker 1: they did in the first game. I think defensively, we
Speaker 1: see what they are. They make every possession tough. You
Speaker 1: got to really earn it. Uh. They you know, they
Speaker 1: kept for the most part, they kept the Pacers out
Speaker 1: of that transition offense. And you know, when you look
Speaker 1: at game one versus tonight, you know, every time the
Speaker 1: Pacers try to make a run, they responded by getting stops,
Speaker 1: they responded by getting a score. So I thought that
Speaker 1: was the difference because getting Game one, it was only
Speaker 1: the Pacers only led one possession, right, and that was
Speaker 1: the end of the game, right, And so they did
Speaker 1: a really good job defensively of controlling tempo and controlling
Speaker 1: the outcoming the game.
Speaker 3: Ojo Yeah, I mean, I'm piggyback off of what Jo
Speaker 3: Jao said obviously that the Thunders. The Thunders pressure defensively
Speaker 3: is relieved. They had ten steals. They hear Halliburton's hell,
Speaker 3: you only had five assists. The Pacers really couldn't find
Speaker 3: any type of rhythm and they couldn't get into any
Speaker 3: any early any early offense. The Thunder played, and but
Speaker 3: the sense of desperation and understanding that we can't go
Speaker 3: down oh two and oh ship. That's just back just
Speaker 3: about what happened.
Speaker 1: Baby Indiana thought they could play the same way they
Speaker 1: played the first game, and when this ball game they
Speaker 1: will sloppy. The first three quarters of the ball game.
Speaker 1: If you look at the turnovers, Halliburton had six assists.
Speaker 1: He had five turnovers. So you know it's going to
Speaker 1: be a hard because Halliburton is not a turnover guy.
Speaker 1: It's many assists, Jail and and and and and Joey's
Speaker 1: you know, O Joe. You know he's a guy who's
Speaker 1: had fifteen assistant no turnovers. He's had nineteen assistant no turnovers,
Speaker 1: twenty assistant one turnover. So you see him have six
Speaker 1: assists and five turnovers. That lets you know they're struggling
Speaker 1: to get into their offensive sets. They did a great job. Okay,
Speaker 1: see this game they got on the glass. Remember we
Speaker 1: talked about Joe, how many second chance points they allowed
Speaker 1: any out of the get not this game. They beat
Speaker 1: him on They beat him on the offensive end. They
Speaker 1: beat him in the rebounding stats. Shay was a lot
Speaker 1: more efficient level of twenty one. The other game he
Speaker 1: had thirty eight, but he took him thirty shots. Tonight
Speaker 1: he had thirty four on twenty one shots. Chad Hongeren
Speaker 1: decided to come to the party. He was invited to
Speaker 1: Game one. He decided not to show up till late,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't enough.
Speaker 2: Pacers. Look, I hope the Paces.
Speaker 1: Don't think, oh, we got what We're good going home,
Speaker 1: because okay, see is a very good road team. They
Speaker 1: are a very good road team. There's a reason why
Speaker 1: they won the most games. There's a reason why they
Speaker 1: have the MVP. They have an all they have another
Speaker 1: player than Jayalen Williams who's an All the NBA defensive
Speaker 1: player and All NBA. So, guys, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: look and you can see the frustration on coach Carlile's face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey Jo.
Speaker 1: He used like three tirebouts in the matter five minutes
Speaker 1: because he felt the game starting to slip away from him.
Speaker 1: Me like, no, I gotta I gotta quell some of
Speaker 1: his momentum and he wasn't able to do it. Give
Speaker 1: the Thunder credit tonight because I thought they played it
Speaker 1: really well. And it's not so much what the Pacers
Speaker 1: didn't do is what Okay, did do okay see? Did
Speaker 1: do okay? See forced them to play this style of
Speaker 1: a ball game? I thought, I thought, okay, see, you know,
Speaker 1: played great in the first game as far as defensively,
Speaker 1: but tonight, you know, they pretty much had control defensively,
Speaker 1: keeping guys out the paint, making it tough for him.
Speaker 1: And I'm curious to hear what Jayo got to say
Speaker 1: man about Hallen Burton, especially you know early in the game. Jao.
Speaker 1: For me, you know, when I watched it, I knew
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter he was going to try to
Speaker 1: sert himself a little bit and try to, you know,
Speaker 1: get him back in the game. But I think he's
Speaker 1: so passive, you know, to start the game, and it
Speaker 1: kind of it gets him out of rhythm, and I
Speaker 1: think it takes away from you know, what he does.
Speaker 1: I know he's a great pass a great facilitator, but
Speaker 1: this is the biggest stage. I think, you know, he
Speaker 1: has to come out and give him something, you know,
Speaker 1: because for me, it's like, oh, Joe, when he when
Speaker 1: he catched the ball, he come up to pick and roll,
Speaker 1: he's not even looking at the basket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's looking the past. He looking he look at
Speaker 2: the pass.
Speaker 1: He's looking where his next pass is going to be,
Speaker 1: versus putting pressure on the rim and trying to make
Speaker 1: a play. And I just think, you know, obviously I
Speaker 1: think he'll play a lot better when they go home.
Speaker 1: But for me, I'm kids to hear what Jayo got
Speaker 1: to say about that. Yeah, and you didn't nobody. I
Speaker 1: think the one thing with Terre's Halliburton is you know,
Speaker 1: when you look at the last game, right, he got
Speaker 1: bailed out because he hit the shot, right, he.
Speaker 2: Only had he finished in fourteen, right, and he looking.
Speaker 1: In tonight again, you know, he inserted itself late in
Speaker 1: the fourth, but they were down twenty.
Speaker 2: Look at the rest of their roster. They had seven
Speaker 2: double figure scores today. Right.
Speaker 1: That's the difference between you know the Pacers really really
Speaker 1: you know, staying in the game and really have an
Speaker 1: opportunity to win. It's him, right, Yeah, go back to
Speaker 1: the Knick series when he had the triple double. I
Speaker 1: actually talked to him right before you know, tip off,
Speaker 1: and he said he was about to get after it.
Speaker 2: He saw it in his eyes from day one.
Speaker 1: When he could penetrate, touch the paint, he create opportunities,
Speaker 1: He opens up his opportunities and he's aggressive.
Speaker 2: I do not and Joe, you know, you know, does
Speaker 2: very well.
Speaker 1: You're playing a dangerous game when you're trying to wait
Speaker 1: into the fourth to help your team, right, You're not
Speaker 1: going to continue to make those shots, right, and then
Speaker 1: you gotta at least give you your team a chance
Speaker 1: to have an opportunity to make to be in the game,
Speaker 1: you know, come fourth quarter.
Speaker 2: And you know he didn't do a very good job
Speaker 2: of that today.
Speaker 1: And obviously you know, okay, see, you know had had
Speaker 1: you know, answers with Aaron Wiggins had huge games and
Speaker 1: eighteen and Caruso had twenty.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, the stars got to be stars. We
Speaker 2: all know that in every league. And if you can't
Speaker 2: be a start and you your team is you know,
Speaker 2: dulnerable to lose a game, and tonight they did.
Speaker 3: It's it's kind of funny though, honestly, when you think
Speaker 3: about it, Holly Burton in the first game, his approach
Speaker 3: to the game the first game was the same way.
Speaker 3: He was very passive, you know, allowed the rest of
Speaker 3: his team to get their shots here and allowed them
Speaker 3: to be in rhythm and that kept them in the game.
Speaker 3: Unto those final moments and then he decided, you know what,
Speaker 3: all right, I'm going to take over and take this
Speaker 3: last shot. Yeah, just in the day's game, he tried
Speaker 3: that same approach, but it didn't work because they were down.
Speaker 2: They were down to damn.
Speaker 1: And I will say this O Joe one thing about
Speaker 1: and I think people it's this crazy thing where he's
Speaker 1: learning to be a star.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You know when people say superstars, superstars are already they
Speaker 1: already know how to carry a team. I think he's
Speaker 1: he's a starter, is learning to try to be a
Speaker 1: superstar as pass first point guard. Right, so you know
Speaker 1: that team needs him to be high motive from start
Speaker 1: to finish. If he can't do that, then I don't
Speaker 1: think they can beat the whole case. You thunder he's
Speaker 1: not aggressive, right, hey hey hey, oh and they kind
Speaker 1: of piggyback on Aunks say, uh, I think, oh, you
Speaker 1: got to give okay see credit because they play a
Speaker 1: great defense.
Speaker 2: See they able to keep.
Speaker 1: Hallenburg out of the paint. Now a lot of times
Speaker 1: when he get in the paint, he's not necessarily scoring.
Speaker 1: He's kicking it out, firing out for threes. And they
Speaker 1: wasn't getting them easy. They wasn't getting them easy three tonight.
Speaker 1: You know, I know they made some, but for the
Speaker 1: most part, I thought, okay, see, he's done a great
Speaker 1: job of keeping guys in front, making it tough on
Speaker 1: them and not giving them the easy penetration to where
Speaker 1: they got the libs or the layups or you know,
Speaker 1: just wide open threes.
Speaker 2: So you got to give ok okay see some credit.
Speaker 1: When you drive, when you drive the lane against the thunder,
Speaker 1: you better keep you out on your luggage man, because.
Speaker 2: They go into your pocket. They going into your pockets, jail.
Speaker 1: I mean you see Halliburton, he like he, oh, I
Speaker 1: got me a layup and Shane's said, no, you don't.
Speaker 1: And you think you got a layup and lou Dorr said, no,
Speaker 1: you don't, Caruso. They dig it in your pocket. And
Speaker 1: so you basically if you got something in your back pocket,
Speaker 1: you got this ball behind you? Oh this get did
Speaker 1: they dig it out? You got better be like a
Speaker 1: New York on the subway. You better keep everything in
Speaker 1: your front pocket. Hey, but cause if you don't, and look,
Speaker 1: you should surprise us. Though they've been what the best
Speaker 1: defensive team pretty much the se So when I see
Speaker 1: them playing great defense, like this, It doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 1: This is kind of actually what I expect. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: And the thing and the thing I thought. The thing
Speaker 1: what they did tonight is that they hit those shots.
Speaker 1: Remember they got out to that they had a fourteen
Speaker 1: point lead in the fourth quarter, but they kept their
Speaker 1: foot on the gas. They didn't let up even when
Speaker 1: Indiana went on that ten oh run. It's like, guess what,
Speaker 1: they follow them back. They come right back and going
Speaker 1: to nine or running themselves there and bill a Lee
Speaker 1: right back to where it was.
Speaker 2: So I just and I agree with you guys.
Speaker 1: I think Tyre's Halliburton is gonna have to be aggressive
Speaker 1: and guys are gonna have to hit open shots. I
Speaker 1: thought past Gal was a little a little tenanty tonight.
Speaker 1: Three of eleven. That's not a whole lot of shots.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at all the guys that had as
Speaker 1: many shots as he had. Nie Smith had more shots,
Speaker 1: or obviously Halliburton had more shots. My Alturner had more shots.
Speaker 1: They didn't shoot the three ball well, but they allowed
Speaker 1: uh okay see to shoot forty nine sent from the floor.
Speaker 1: They shot thirty thirty nine percent from the three. You
Speaker 1: let them shoot thirty three free throws. Okay see, they're
Speaker 1: a good free throw shooting team, Jail and guys, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be hard to beat them when you let them
Speaker 1: shoot that many free throws. You let them shoot that
Speaker 1: percentage from the from the field and from the three
Speaker 1: point line. Unless you play excellent ball. You get Halliburton
Speaker 1: doing what he normally does. It's heroics, Pascal doing what
Speaker 1: he normally does, and Nie Smith and them hard.
Speaker 2: You're not beating you.
Speaker 1: Let okay see shoot forty nine percent from the floor,
Speaker 1: shoot thirty three free throws. It's gonna be hard for
Speaker 1: you to beat them because they play really really good
Speaker 1: defense and they normally don't let you shoot in the
Speaker 1: high forties.
Speaker 2: So they got the work cutout for them.
Speaker 1: I hope they don't think like I said, okay see,
Speaker 1: was one of the better road teams. Yeah, we know
Speaker 1: what they are at home because of that crowd. But
Speaker 1: you don't win sixty eight games, but just by winning
Speaker 1: forty one at home?
Speaker 2: Right, No, Right, And I think I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I gotta I still got to
Speaker 1: give up, you know, give the pacers and keep finding
Speaker 1: a way, you know, And this is to me, it
Speaker 1: goes back to the coaching, right, they hasn't They always
Speaker 1: haven't prepared, you know, shout out to Miles Turner, h
Speaker 1: Obie Toppings, team Bryant.
Speaker 2: Nobody thought that they would hit.
Speaker 1: You know, come, I think they eight or nine threes,
Speaker 1: last name big threes, right, yes, and les Miles Turner.
Speaker 1: They have fourteen points, and I think they're doing their
Speaker 1: job from a perspective. They just need the you know,
Speaker 1: they need Haliburton to really take control of it, set
Speaker 1: the temple, get into that pace. They're dangerous when they're
Speaker 1: flying up and down that court. I thought they played
Speaker 1: a little bit slower than they would like. And honestly, okay,
Speaker 1: see has a lot to do with that with them
Speaker 1: picking up full and got them you know, you know,
Speaker 1: got two all defensive, you know, guys on you know
Speaker 1: on the roster. Yeah, you know, if the Pacers can
Speaker 1: get home and and get into that pace, Ali Burton
Speaker 1: become the machine and make them go.
Speaker 2: Uh, I think they have a shot on really, you know,
Speaker 2: taking game three.
Speaker 1: Hey, look, we remember last time, Joe we talked about
Speaker 1: not before you'll let you go, Joe. The last time
Speaker 1: we talked about remember the Pacers jail they had three
Speaker 1: guys with double dj rebounds and they had another guy
Speaker 1: that had nine, so they had fifty two rebounds. In
Speaker 1: the first game they had thirty five, So that's minus seventeen.
Speaker 1: That all of a sudden, now and they were really
Speaker 1: good on the glass getting second chance opportunities. They're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do a better job of that. They're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do a better job of getting on the
Speaker 1: glass getting second chance opportunities because you know, BEI gonna
Speaker 1: they did, and they did a poor job of taking
Speaker 1: care of basketball this game too. They did a much
Speaker 1: better job in Game one. I mean, well, you think
Speaker 1: about it, they had twenty five turnovers and they win.
Speaker 1: Rick Carlos, like, guys, we don't have fifteen turnovers, but
Speaker 1: you had those turnovers when you were down and you
Speaker 1: were trying to make your run. And now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, they still a couple of the possessions where
Speaker 1: you could have probably it was fourteen, you might have
Speaker 1: could have cut in the eight or who knows even
Speaker 1: lower than that. But now all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: fourteen goes back to twenty when you could have cut it.
Speaker 1: The underdouble figures go ahead, Joey and then you look
Speaker 1: you look at I think everything reversed back to Hallenberg
Speaker 1: because look look at it. Look at his free throw attempts.
Speaker 1: He didn't he didn't know, he didn't get to the
Speaker 1: line today. No, that's and that's you know, part of
Speaker 1: being aggressive. Man. This is the biggest stage. They need
Speaker 1: him to get in that paint and make plays. Whether
Speaker 1: it's creating for himself, but he definitely has to create
Speaker 1: for others. And I think if the better he plays,
Speaker 1: We've seen it throughout this postseason, the more dangerous they
Speaker 1: are as a team, the better them other dudes around
Speaker 1: him play when he's aggressive and assert himself. So I
Speaker 1: look for him to be a lot better in Indiana
Speaker 1: And obviously, okay see is a great team on the road.
Speaker 1: I still think, you know, when you look at Indiana
Speaker 1: still has the edge right now. They want one, and
Speaker 1: okay see, they just got to take care of home court.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: But you know, okayc is coming in because the same
Speaker 1: thing happened with Denver. Denver stole game one, they ended
Speaker 1: up blowing him out in game two and then guess what,
Speaker 1: okay see, he came right in in game three. In
Speaker 1: Game three and smuck it promo. You don't want you
Speaker 1: don't want to, you don't want to see that. You
Speaker 1: want to do do everything you possibly can and stop
Speaker 1: spotting these teams. Look it's good, jay, Hey we got
Speaker 1: that a bit. Man, we could track somebody down. Man,
Speaker 1: you don't want to say you don't want to spend
Speaker 1: you don't want to spend thirty eight forty minutes trying
Speaker 1: to play from behind, because now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: do I still do I have enough to get over
Speaker 1: that hump? And tonight, okay, see understood the assignment. They
Speaker 1: knew they couldn't go down two and then get on
Speaker 1: the road and try to win. And now we've got
Speaker 1: to beat them four out of the next five games.
Speaker 1: That's asking an awful lot for a team that they
Speaker 1: go get two on the road. They're gonna be playing
Speaker 1: with a lot of confidence. And that's what Okay, that's
Speaker 1: what Indiana normally does. We saw what they did against Cleveland.
Speaker 1: They went over there and got those two at home
Speaker 1: on the road. They're like, oh, yeah, we're good. Now
Speaker 1: we're good. Yeah, And jel think about this, man, and
Speaker 1: this is the thing I think that me Indiana a
Speaker 1: really good team and this is not me being a homer.
Speaker 2: But this is just facts.
Speaker 1: Right when you look at that their running the playoffs,
Speaker 1: they have somebody different or a couple of people different
Speaker 1: every game. That's the big, right, That is a hard
Speaker 1: thing to defend. And man, they got players across the
Speaker 1: board that are ready to help their team win. And
Speaker 1: I think that's that's really their their calling card. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you have to have ahead of a snake, and we
Speaker 1: talked about, you know, the up and ups and downs
Speaker 1: of terre'se. Halliburton, but man, you know, we gotta we
Speaker 1: gotta commend other boys coming off that bench being ready
Speaker 1: and you know and make big shots. Oh yeah, because
Speaker 1: look for me, I love TJ McConnell and what he brings.
Speaker 1: I love Thomas Bryant coming off. I know Obi Topping
Speaker 1: didn't really give him what he gets in the game one.
Speaker 1: But you know, Mattherin has been aggressive playing well, So
Speaker 1: they gotta play the guys who can really step up
Speaker 1: and help them win the game. Yeah, you kind of
Speaker 1: need one or two of those guys to explode, and
Speaker 1: tonight they just didn't have it. I mean, Pascal played,
Speaker 1: he played decent, but three four eleven, you know that's
Speaker 1: gonna be tough. They need you know, they need their
Speaker 1: big guns to be to be great in order for
Speaker 1: them to win on this stage.
Speaker 2: Because it's tough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, listen, they're gonna they gonna win the next game.
Speaker 3: They want win the next game, Wednesday, put something on
Speaker 3: it with you who said that that was your Joe?
Speaker 2: Where you already.
Speaker 1: Anyway?
Speaker 3: But I know I had a burden after after watching
Speaker 3: Once they go back watch film, you understand, Okay, you
Speaker 3: know what I got, assert myself a little bit more
Speaker 3: understanding they're going to be aggressive. Then I'll then be
Speaker 3: passed allow my teammates to get into a game. If
Speaker 3: I see the game slipping away at any point, you
Speaker 3: know you can. You're supposed to be the head coach.
Speaker 3: You're supposed to put the points, supposed to understand, like
Speaker 3: see the flow of the game and how the game
Speaker 3: is going, and knowing when to shart yourself and win
Speaker 3: not to It's okay to be passive, but I think
Speaker 3: he really wants to get his other players involved because
Speaker 3: if they're hitting.
Speaker 2: These shots and then he decides to insert himself and pick.
Speaker 3: And choose win to be aggressive, I think that's what
Speaker 3: getting the best chance, and the fact that they're playing
Speaker 3: at home despite what the thunder Dead and how many
Speaker 3: wins they had.
Speaker 2: And being off for a good team playing on the road.
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna be alright and they probably gonna
Speaker 3: win the series Steer regardless of what we all tonight.
Speaker 1: But you gotta get okay, see credit because you look
Speaker 1: at Carusso, you look at Wiggins.
Speaker 2: They got thirty eight points from those guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Caruso couldn't miss a corner. Three Wigives got a
Speaker 1: lose ball and drained it and then came right back
Speaker 1: down and got it again and boom, drained it again.
Speaker 2: So you get thirty eight.
Speaker 1: You get thirty eight points from two guys off the
Speaker 1: bitch who you look at Matthew Bathroom was four or seven.
Speaker 2: TJ.
Speaker 1: McCallum was five or seven. There was two or three
Speaker 1: from the three point line. They gave you twenty five.
Speaker 1: But you get two guys that gave you thirty eight
Speaker 1: quality thirty eight, and both of those guys played outstanding
Speaker 1: defense as well. Go ahead, Jails, I guess the question
Speaker 1: that we should look at you. This is a this
Speaker 1: is a strange finals, right. Typically you know at this
Speaker 1: point you will see the star of Stars.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Yes, GA has been been SGA for you know, for
Speaker 1: the most more efficient this game.
Speaker 2: But this series gonna come down to me seems like
Speaker 2: the other guy role yep, the role players long.
Speaker 1: Players, because I mean you haven't you know, you lose
Speaker 1: by twenty and it's strange the Pacers lose by I
Speaker 1: think almost twenty and they got seven double figure scores.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, and then you know, then you have the
Speaker 1: Aaron Wiggins, the crusos.
Speaker 2: I thought Jayden William Williams is pretty good tonight. He
Speaker 2: was a lot better. He had nineteen. He's obviously he's
Speaker 2: the starter. But it just like, where's the like, what's
Speaker 2: the winning tool to this because.
Speaker 1: It's like every game, like you know, somebody else is
Speaker 1: stepping up big and it's not like the traditional superstars
Speaker 1: taking over games. It's gonna be interesting to see these
Speaker 1: next these next you know three or the next three games.
Speaker 1: They normally there, but paces are a committee team and
Speaker 1: that's what makes them so difficult because they don't have
Speaker 1: that superstar that you know, that can go, that can
Speaker 1: consistently go get you thirty. You pencil a man like
Speaker 1: you look at SGA a SGA gonna get thirty a game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you already know that. You play an he's gonna get
Speaker 1: you thirty. You play one of these teams that have
Speaker 1: one of these superstar players, they're gonna get you that number.
Speaker 1: What the Pacers do is that they nickeling down you.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have five, six, seven guys in double figure.
Speaker 1: They might have one guy with twenty five jail in joke,
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna have a bunch of teams seventeen, eighteen, fifteen,
Speaker 1: fourteen thirteen. That's where they hurt you at. And guys
Speaker 1: normally make timely shots. If you go back and look
Speaker 1: at the first game that they stole, they stole from
Speaker 1: the Knicks, Nie Smiths came up the bench in his
Speaker 1: sixth threes in five minutes. He might not ever get
Speaker 1: that hot again, but he was that hot that night.
Speaker 1: You look at some of the other games that they've played,
Speaker 1: and they've been down just like last. Just like the
Speaker 1: first game, guys making shots. So the thing is it,
Speaker 1: despare yourself. You gotta stop falling behind by fourteen to
Speaker 1: twenty jail. You asked, you asking an awful lot to
Speaker 1: contact because as you go further and further the teams
Speaker 1: get better and better. You're playing the best team pro
Speaker 1: stats wise, record wise in the NBA. In the OKC Thunder,
Speaker 1: because Shae was the MVP, they have all defensive player
Speaker 1: in lou Dort, they.
Speaker 2: Have an All.
Speaker 1: NBA player Jayla Williams to go along with Shae, and
Speaker 1: dak Now is a very good coach. So you can't
Speaker 1: keep getting for a Well, you saw what we did
Speaker 1: against the Knicks. We went down and we beat them. Well,
Speaker 1: we know we man, we went down nineteen against the Cows.
Speaker 1: That's the The OKC Thunder are entirely different animals.
Speaker 2: Eight they are.
Speaker 1: They are tired, entirely different animal I think you know
Speaker 1: when your big guns are playing well. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: speak on Shae. He was very effishing tonight, and yeah,
Speaker 1: get Caruso and Wiggins who had great games. But man,
Speaker 1: when y'all look at Shae, look at the pressure that
Speaker 1: he's putting on the defense, you have to send another guy,
Speaker 1: which is giving Caruso them wide open threes, or you
Speaker 1: running pick and roll and Wiggans wide open on the wing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you're Indiana, do you trap him?
Speaker 1: Try to get the ball out of his hand because
Speaker 1: he keeps splitting. I would o Jo and as a
Speaker 1: perimeter guy, I want to split the pick and roll
Speaker 1: so I have as many options as I can. Versus
Speaker 1: if I come off to pick and roll and y'all
Speaker 1: trap me and make me give it up to make
Speaker 1: some of these other guys make plays. But if I
Speaker 1: split the pick and roll and I got four five
Speaker 1: options to shoot my float to get to the cup,
Speaker 1: or to spray out the three or throw alive to check,
Speaker 1: then y'all in the huk a buck. There's no way
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to stop that. So I feel
Speaker 1: like they gonna probably have to trap him man and
Speaker 1: make him get that thing up so and make these
Speaker 1: other guys make plays. I would trap in jail doctor,
Speaker 1: y'all let you go after this. I would trap him.
Speaker 1: As long as Jayalen Williams is struggling. He's still struggling,
Speaker 1: I'm goa trapp him because the only guy that's really
Speaker 1: shooting the ball.
Speaker 2: Officially, it's really like the night was Caruso and Wiggins.
Speaker 1: But if you go look at chet chat with six
Speaker 1: and eleven the first game, he didn't play well. He's
Speaker 1: six and eleven, so he's but Jayalenuis was five or fourteen.
Speaker 1: He didn't shoot the ball well. The first game you
Speaker 1: look at lou Dort one of three, he got Caruso
Speaker 1: and Wiggins got most of his minutes tonight, and then
Speaker 1: who's the other guy, Wallace.
Speaker 2: Wallace got twenty three minutes. He was two or four.
Speaker 1: So yes, as long as Jayla Williams is struggling, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna trap it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make him give it up. But it is
Speaker 2: a dangerous thing.
Speaker 1: If you do, though, you better be right because at
Speaker 1: the way and uh that these guys are shooting threes, man,
Speaker 1: you will pay the ultimate price, you know, trapping. If
Speaker 1: you're not getting to that rotation fast enough, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be burnt. And the thing that really when watching this game,
Speaker 1: and I can't remember this many corner three has been
Speaker 1: given up. Man, I've seen corner three is the easiest
Speaker 1: three on the basketball George distance right, the shortest distance,
Speaker 1: and it is corner threes galore right, you know, on
Speaker 1: the floor, and it's just strange. So I think that's
Speaker 1: probably the reason why they aren't aren't trapping because everybody's
Speaker 1: shooting the three.
Speaker 2: But you know, you just gotta be right.
Speaker 1: You got to make sure that if you're gonna trap,
Speaker 1: you gotta get those rotations down. But if you look
Speaker 1: at it, guys, Caruso and Wiggins, they're not of eighteen
Speaker 1: from the three. The rest of the guys was five
Speaker 1: of eighteen. So I'm gonna take my chances. I'm look
Speaker 1: at some point in time, Jail, you gotta give up something,
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, you know this. If you take something away,
Speaker 1: you gotta give up something. And let's see if they
Speaker 1: can consistently do that. Because this is a big stage.
Speaker 1: This is not a regular season game. You're not playing Orlando,
Speaker 1: you're not playing Sacramento. You're playing the NBA Finals. You
Speaker 1: have the whole NBA world undivided attention on you. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see if somebody chant was one of three. Jalen
Speaker 1: Williams was one of five, Shae was one of four,
Speaker 1: Lou Darrt one of three, Wallace was all two. So
Speaker 1: when you go back and look at it, with the
Speaker 1: exception of Caruso on Wiggins, everybody else was horrible shooting
Speaker 1: even three point shot. I'm gonna make you. I'm my
Speaker 1: adjustment is I see Shae. Shae's averaging thirty six points
Speaker 1: of damn game. Nobody let me take that back. He's
Speaker 1: average thirty seven of the game. I got it. I
Speaker 1: gotta do something. I gotta do something, jail, because he
Speaker 1: thrown be aggressive because if the worst come to worst,
Speaker 1: he'll throw caution to the win and says, I don't
Speaker 1: give a damn about efficiency. I'm gonna get these shots
Speaker 1: up and I'm gonna make you file me. I mean,
Speaker 1: but I guarantee they didn't think Wiggins will go for
Speaker 1: eighteen and cruisers and go for twenty, And I thought, no.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get what you're saying about trapping him
Speaker 1: and trying to make somebody else beat him. First of all,
Speaker 1: I think it's he's too crafted. They those like they
Speaker 1: was trying to hard hedge a couple of times with him,
Speaker 1: he was. They were splitting the defense and doing those things.
Speaker 1: So he's a very difficult trap and very difficult contained.
Speaker 1: But again, when you go for thirty eight between two people,
Speaker 1: that that's uncounted for right. I can guarantee that wasn't
Speaker 1: any game playing that Crusoe Wiggins would have won for
Speaker 1: thirty eight. So you know he's Damn if you do,
Speaker 1: Damn if you don't.
Speaker 2: I guess all right, Hey, look I.
Speaker 1: Agree with Jo And to my point, when you look
Speaker 1: at Shade, you know he goes and when he when
Speaker 1: he when he brings the ball up on the wing
Speaker 1: and he goes into that magic justin back down and
Speaker 1: he get into that back down. That's hard to stop
Speaker 1: for any of them, dude, So they have to send
Speaker 1: another guy, which is why they're able to give up
Speaker 1: these corner threes. And you see guys like Wiggins and
Speaker 1: Caruso having great nights. It's because of the success of
Speaker 1: Shake Gilgris, who is you know, putting a lot of
Speaker 1: pressure on the defense because if you don't come double,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a foul or he's gonna score it.
Speaker 1: It's just paid point blank, what a problem that you
Speaker 1: have it? Hey, go ahead, o't Joe.
Speaker 2: Now, I was gonna say, I think he got you
Speaker 2: got too many tools in the tool about.
Speaker 3: Regardless of what the game plan is when it comes
Speaker 3: to playing Shade, you might want to just say, you
Speaker 3: know what he gonna get here, nobody what to do.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you go into go to a game unk and
Speaker 3: you know you have a studdin receiver. You say, you
Speaker 3: know what, we're gonna stop him, but you know you
Speaker 3: can't stop him. You can only hope to contain him
Speaker 3: and hope he misses the plots. They just have focus
Speaker 3: on the other four folks, on the other four, allowing
Speaker 3: them not to get in rhythm, allow them not to
Speaker 3: get their shots if they do, allow him to get
Speaker 3: their shots in rhythm, allowed to be minimal, and then
Speaker 3: spurts and that that's that's really the only way, because
Speaker 3: that god.
Speaker 2: Damn Shay gonna get whatever you want.
Speaker 3: Whether you're trapping, whether iso, whether you pick him up
Speaker 3: from half court, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: He gonna get his. But if you can contain the
Speaker 2: other four and manage them, then you what, that's the
Speaker 2: problem that you ran into.
Speaker 1: You let Shakee get thirty four and then you let
Speaker 1: the other guys go get thirty eight jail, So you've
Speaker 1: done nothing.
Speaker 2: You can't I see if you got.
Speaker 1: If you if you take the shade and you say,
Speaker 1: you know what, shade, you gonna get twenty to twenty
Speaker 1: four and those other guys go get thirty eight, I
Speaker 1: can live with that. I can't let the man get
Speaker 1: above his average and still give up that.
Speaker 2: Couse.
Speaker 1: If I give Jordan, if I let Jordan get his forty,
Speaker 1: and I let Steve, if I let Paxston go get
Speaker 1: eighteen or Steve Kerr go get fifteen, what am I done? Now?
Speaker 1: I'm really at his mercy because Jordan. Now I'm worried
Speaker 1: about Jordan going off, and now I got these other
Speaker 1: guys just just just shooting not me. Hey, I agree,
Speaker 1: I agree, But I think I think you gotta mix
Speaker 1: it up with him.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm not giving him steady die.
Speaker 1: I think the thing is they get they let one
Speaker 1: guy guard him too long, then let them play too
Speaker 1: much one on one jail Damn. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like they got him in this little soft catch, and
Speaker 1: it's like, man, he coming off, he got him, He
Speaker 1: got him at at his wheel. Like I think sometimes
Speaker 1: you kind of you gotta go on though a couple
Speaker 1: of times, maybe a couple of times, you gotta give him,
Speaker 1: mix it up, give him different looks to make him
Speaker 1: second guess when he's coming off them picking up out
Speaker 1: because if you don't, he gonna figure you out. And
Speaker 1: once he figured you out, it's a wrap.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that in the big sometimes are too low
Speaker 1: even if they're up, Yeah, way too low with the guy,
Speaker 1: that crafty man. He and he is even though they're
Speaker 1: picking him up full court because they're doing you know,
Speaker 1: they're doing a really good job on picking them up
Speaker 1: full court. Yeah, they trying to wear a bath and
Speaker 1: he's just he's switching gears. Man. It's it's almost it's
Speaker 1: magical to watch him, you know, watch him play like that.
Speaker 1: And again, I just think that the way this game
Speaker 1: is being played right now, you just can't allow. And
Speaker 1: I agree with you on you cannot everybody, I mean,
Speaker 1: get everybody, can't you know, they can't get everything. They
Speaker 1: can't get the bitch going off, They can't get SGA
Speaker 1: going off thirty plus.
Speaker 2: But I know that's why it seems like this. It's
Speaker 2: a strange finals, to be honest, you robber.
Speaker 1: You look at Oho. If somebody come with you the
Speaker 1: Jewish store, what we gonna eight? Are we predicted to
Speaker 1: die in the watches or were worried about or we
Speaker 1: worried about your necklaces and the bracelet we got. Hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna pick two things that we ay, the diamonds
Speaker 1: and the watchers. Hey we got that. If they take
Speaker 1: them braceles. They take the necklaces, the hell with it,
Speaker 1: But we got a hold fanst on the diamonds. Then
Speaker 1: they let Shade go get thirty four. They let two
Speaker 1: guys come off the bitch gone them eighteen from the three.
Speaker 1: They like Shade like okay. And the thing is is
Speaker 1: that when the big when he put him in the
Speaker 1: pick and roll, they saw far so far back trying
Speaker 1: to head you catch it.
Speaker 2: Now he even with him, that's a file. You followed him.
Speaker 1: He's going to the basket. He's not once he gets
Speaker 1: even with that big, he's not looking to pass that ball. Guys,
Speaker 1: he's looking he put pressure on the rim and you
Speaker 1: gonna file it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really that simple. I agree. I agree, a
Speaker 2: lot of tough fakes getting into that.
Speaker 1: Yes, hey, I'll tell you what them diamonds better being
Speaker 1: sure because they can have it. I'm getting out the way.
Speaker 1: They I'm getting out the way. Listen. Uh. The pressure
Speaker 1: that shape puts on the defense man, it's it's believe.
Speaker 1: But like I say, guys, I think you got to
Speaker 1: mix up these defensive coverages, man, because he looks extra
Speaker 1: comfortable out there. And yes, I know they picking him
Speaker 1: up for a court like they did Brunton and kind
Speaker 1: of wear trying to wear him down, and they probably
Speaker 1: hoping by game four he's a little tied. But man,
Speaker 1: when you look at shape, look at his body type,
Speaker 1: and look at his makeup, he is in the elite
Speaker 1: shape he got. He's not a lot of these guys
Speaker 1: who I had got this very high in body fat.
Speaker 1: You know, he looks like a guy who's out who
Speaker 1: really takes lean. I'm being honest. Yeah, he's super lean
Speaker 1: and for me, he don't look like a guy who's
Speaker 1: going to wear down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I say, this is the one thing that
Speaker 2: people want to talk about.
Speaker 1: You. You always hear about all the threes and how
Speaker 1: many how many threes people taking? But he is killing
Speaker 1: in in the mid in the mid MIDI mid mid
Speaker 1: mid post. He is killing. And what that has done,
Speaker 1: it that has opened up everything else. You talk about
Speaker 1: the Carusos and the Wiggings going for you know, open
Speaker 1: jump shots. He's getting in there, he's drawing the entire
Speaker 1: defense and he's kicking it to people and there knocking
Speaker 1: down shots. Absolutely, he's been efficient from the mid range
Speaker 1: game all season long. Hey, hey guys, he's been He's
Speaker 1: been one of he's been probably what one of two
Speaker 1: or three guys who shot over fifty percent for a
Speaker 1: season from the field, like he's been.
Speaker 2: At the guard position, he at average thirty. I mean
Speaker 2: he and.
Speaker 1: Mike Yeah, I know, I know you think about a guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a guard that's tough. Jo and scoring thirty. Yeah, that's tough. Now.
Speaker 1: I know some of the efficiency has kind of went
Speaker 1: out in this postseason, but for the most part, you know,
Speaker 1: he's been very consistent and he's been.
Speaker 2: A load to deal with.
Speaker 1: So, uh, whatever they decide to do, they gotta kind
Speaker 1: of mix these things up a little bit. I mean,
Speaker 1: he shot twelve free throws to night. He was eleven
Speaker 1: or twelve from the line, So it lets me know
Speaker 1: he understood the assignment meaning coming out being aggressive. Hey listen, guys,
Speaker 1: don't worry. I put you all on my back to night.
Speaker 1: We are not going to Indiana down O two And
Speaker 1: it was fun to watch the night a.
Speaker 4: Hey, yeah, you know I was going to say a
Speaker 4: peace back and look fit off for the what Joe said,
Speaker 4: He's been like this all season, right, you say he
Speaker 4: shot throughout the season, Yeah, he shot like yeah, YO
Speaker 4: talked about well when you put that ball on the
Speaker 4: floor and decide I'm for to get to that mid
Speaker 4: range depending on what you want to do.
Speaker 2: And he's consistent of doing it over and over.
Speaker 3: So no matter what you throw at him, even if
Speaker 3: you say you want to try, even if you say
Speaker 3: you want to confuse him to make make shots contested,
Speaker 3: then they use Uh. He's a he's a foul merchant.
Speaker 3: He's always did the free throw line. But here he
Speaker 3: two steps ahead of you. No matter what you want
Speaker 3: to do, he's already telling you. Whatever your game play is,
Speaker 3: I got something to counter that, and he's showing it.
Speaker 3: He's been showing it all season long.
Speaker 1: So if somebody comes out and all they play a
Speaker 1: single high safety you're gonna make, you're gonna eat that up.
Speaker 1: If somebody come all they're gonna player is cover too.
Speaker 1: All they gonna all, they're gonna plays quarters. You've got
Speaker 1: to disguise it. You've got to give a guy. If
Speaker 1: you give a guy a steady diet of anything, no
Speaker 1: matter the medicine you bill of resistance to it, there's.
Speaker 2: A reason why they give you.
Speaker 1: Ex Abody says, okay, take take these and do you
Speaker 1: wing yourself off it? But if you just give them
Speaker 1: steadied out, you will even at the bodies. Whatever the
Speaker 1: medicine is, at some point in time, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to fluctuate the doses that you take. So if you
Speaker 1: just let nim Hard take him and let him play
Speaker 1: one on one, Okay, okay, hey niece, Smith, you got it. Okay, Mathren,
Speaker 1: you got it.
Speaker 2: Hey.
Speaker 1: Hey. As a matter of fact, when he comes to
Speaker 1: the pick and roll, hey, guys, both of y'all popping.
Speaker 1: We gotta make him get make him give it up,
Speaker 1: especially Hartstein. If Hartenstead, come.
Speaker 2: On, hey, you know what he gonna do to you? Now,
Speaker 2: look at everything you just said. It's gonna I can do.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be like a woman at work at the
Speaker 3: Bunny Rams Vegas. He gonna run through everything. He gonna
Speaker 3: run through it. Whatever you whatever, you.
Speaker 1: Sit at him.
Speaker 3: It's like you play Lamar Jackson. You just talked about
Speaker 3: all those different coverages. You gotta show him something different.
Speaker 3: You play patch the homes. It'll matter what you's showing, mom,
Speaker 3: it don't matter. He goes slicing dice because these two
Speaker 3: steps ahead, even understanding what's coming.
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta I gotta make him think about something,
Speaker 1: because there might be at one time that I throw
Speaker 1: to look at him and I get to put my
Speaker 1: helmet in the back. Yea, yeah, Hey, there gonna be one.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be one thing. Look, we don't like to
Speaker 1: chase ghosts, and guys when we played football, we used
Speaker 1: to call it chasing ghosts. We're gonna prepare for what
Speaker 1: we've seen on tap. Now they're they're big. They'll play
Speaker 1: eighty percent of discoverage. They play ten percent of this coverage.
Speaker 1: They play five percent of discoverage, three percent. Now, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna prepare for something that we haven't seen. I
Speaker 1: ain't chasing ghosts. But this is what I do know.
Speaker 1: Shay gonna be the He's gonna take the lion's share
Speaker 1: of the shots. He's looking to play one on one.
Speaker 1: And if you let him play one on one when
Speaker 1: that big is retreating, he gets even with him. He's
Speaker 1: not looking to pass, so I don't care. He doesn't
Speaker 1: care if somebody does come at that point in time.
Speaker 1: How can I get to the rim or how can
Speaker 1: I get this shot off? Because like you said, he
Speaker 1: will stop you jump, he jumps it to you and
Speaker 1: he's looking to get an AM one, So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give him a stick. I'm gonna give it. I got
Speaker 1: to change it up. Look, he's the m v P
Speaker 1: for a reason, but I got to do something. Well, Ultimately,
Speaker 1: this series may come down to really really two people
Speaker 1: that they don't talk a lot about. Right, you got
Speaker 1: one coach and OKC that said they gonna play they
Speaker 1: style play no matter what, Right Rick Carlile, Who's the
Speaker 1: king of adjustments?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that mindset from OKC, you know, win of
Speaker 1: the finals or will you know Rick Carlile's genius of
Speaker 1: being able to adjust when the NBA finals, you know,
Speaker 1: for the you know, for the paces.
Speaker 2: To me, that's what's gonna come down to.
Speaker 1: We've seen Rick throughout the playoffs make these you know,
Speaker 1: sole adjustments that allow you know, the paces to you know,
Speaker 1: to win these series. And I think ultimately that may
Speaker 1: be the difference making in this Serianes, Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: Hey, look when you look at when you look at
Speaker 1: Wallace and you look at Hartenstein, they didn't have great
Speaker 1: games offensively, but we talk about the second chance points. Uh,
Speaker 1: Wallace was a what plus twelve and the plus Hardenstein
Speaker 1: was a plus seventeen. But the second chance points of
Speaker 1: Hartenstein tipping the balls out, tipping the balls back out.
Speaker 2: A getting second chance three offensive rebounds.
Speaker 1: I think for me, that's kind of like what we
Speaker 1: were talking about in game one. You know, coming laid
Speaker 1: down the stretch, you're playing that small ball, and this
Speaker 1: game it was a lot different. Now. Obviously they had
Speaker 1: more control in game two and they didn't let those
Speaker 1: runs happen that happened in Game one. But for the
Speaker 1: most part, I see, okay, see, they gonna play their way.
Speaker 1: They still gonna start with hungreds at the five, and
Speaker 1: I guess they gonna see what comes from that. Obviously,
Speaker 1: they played a great game to night, so I'm sure
Speaker 1: they gonna go with the same lineup start in game three.
Speaker 1: Sha follows up his game won thirty eight point Game
Speaker 1: one with thirty four to night. It's the most points
Speaker 1: ever by a player in his first two career NBA
Speaker 1: Finals games. Seventy two Wiggins we mentioned eighteen points in
Speaker 1: twenty one minutes. He was five or three from the
Speaker 1: three point line. He was plus plus twenty four. He's
Speaker 1: leading the Finals in plus minus. So he did what
Speaker 1: he Al Caruso twenty points, six to eleven from the field,
Speaker 1: four to eight from the three point line, tied for
Speaker 1: the most points ever in a playoff game. But look,
Speaker 1: Caruso has been here. Remember in the bubble, Remember how
Speaker 1: well he played for the Lakers. Lebron loved playing with him.
Speaker 1: God guess what they had defensive presidents out there? You
Speaker 1: have ad to protect anything. You had KCP that can hound,
Speaker 1: you had Caruso that can hound, and say hey we good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So you look at what they have defensively. That's what
Speaker 1: makes them so good. Jalen Williams can play defense at
Speaker 1: an elite level. You got Wiggins, you got Wallace, you
Speaker 1: got Dor, you got Caruso, you got Chet and Hartenstein
Speaker 1: protecting the rim. They are a very very good team.
Speaker 1: And they can rotate multiple times a lot of times.
Speaker 1: Got Jail and Joe. You know this. A lot of
Speaker 1: tech teams can only rotate one. If they can rotate
Speaker 1: multiple times, yeah, I agree. Basically they young, They're still
Speaker 1: the youngest team, and so one rotation, two rotation, three rotations,
Speaker 1: and they can still get back and know it if
Speaker 1: you get them, if you beat them to the whole.
Speaker 1: They got Chick put it over, Sam Foot put it
Speaker 1: over six to eleven, Heart and stick and test. You look, hey, look,
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree a j O. And my thing
Speaker 1: is when it comes to Indiana, their rotations were so
Speaker 1: late to night, especially getting out to those threes, and
Speaker 1: I think it cost them too. It cost them throughout
Speaker 1: the whole entire game. And okay, see it's great and
Speaker 1: coming out of traps or coming out of double teams
Speaker 1: and spreading out to the three, getting to those guys,
Speaker 1: they not giving many wide open shots. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think Indiana has to They got to get on
Speaker 1: their horses when they come out of there, them traps,
Speaker 1: when shape posting up and they just leaving guys wide open. Man,
Speaker 1: you got two three seconds before a guy even run
Speaker 1: out there and try to get a hand up.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know, I think But in the end
Speaker 1: of going back home and playing in that building, I
Speaker 1: think pace is going to be a deciding factor for them. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, they played with a lot of energy, great
Speaker 1: fan based energies crazy inside that building. So I think
Speaker 1: them getting back get even on scores, getting the ball
Speaker 1: off fast. Thinking about in the in the previous and
Speaker 1: the clinching games. Oh yeah, make me Yeah there, God, Pascal,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the fastest I've seen him run, you
Speaker 1: know since I've been watching basketball, and I gotta believe
Speaker 1: that Pascal Siakame, it's going to be a difference maker.
Speaker 1: Oh he has to be a difference maker, you know,
Speaker 1: come game three in his own building, right with that
Speaker 1: crowd behind him, because the passiveness that he had to
Speaker 1: start this game. And I don't know again was the mindset.
Speaker 1: Hey we got us one right, and we all know
Speaker 1: in sports somebody can roll, they damn ankle or something
Speaker 1: can happen, and you.
Speaker 2: Know everybody, everybody is an injury a way.
Speaker 1: You got to stay greedy, man, and you got to
Speaker 1: take what you can take and not and not expect
Speaker 1: that things gonna happen at home because you know, you
Speaker 1: never you never know. And so I just believe, like
Speaker 1: if they can get back into that pace, that pace
Speaker 1: and pace that they play at that which is fast
Speaker 1: and aggressive, you know, you know, kicking and you know
Speaker 1: and driving that basketball to have a good shot at
Speaker 1: winning US.
Speaker 2: I like what Okase is doing.
Speaker 1: If you notice, guys, they're getting to the outlets, so
Speaker 1: you know how they normally get to have an outlet
Speaker 1: right there.
Speaker 2: Those guys they're not.
Speaker 1: Going all the way back and said, nah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: stop these outlet passes because we know what y'all want
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: You want an outlet.
Speaker 1: One pass it outlet and the next thing you know,
Speaker 1: you got Hallett Burton euro stepping and laying the ball up.
Speaker 1: You got over topping euros stepping and dunking the ball.
Speaker 1: So what we're gonna do. We're gonna take away the outlets.
Speaker 1: Dribble it up, Hallee, dribble it up in them hard. No,
Speaker 1: we're not giving you no quick no quick bunnies. That's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Weezy had some advice from Hallett ahead
Speaker 1: of Game two.
Speaker 2: This is what he tweeted.
Speaker 1: He said, halle you have to sweep these boys to
Speaker 1: get some real respect from these folks. Y'all clearly walking
Speaker 1: on water and they act like y'all surfing. Hang ten
Speaker 1: dude and make him ride you wave or drown. Ain't
Speaker 1: that a beach?
Speaker 2: Hmmm? I Like?
Speaker 1: I mean, look, sometimes you could be a think about it,
Speaker 1: you could be a great something and just happened to
Speaker 1: be in the wrong era. There's a lot of great
Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks. But if you played in the Manning the
Speaker 1: and the Tom Brady era, you ain't gett no credit.
Speaker 1: If you played in the joint you were a guard.
Speaker 1: What guard? Credit in the Jordan era in the eighties
Speaker 1: and that what god other than magic in the eighties
Speaker 1: and it wasn't he hit the nine and he wasn't
Speaker 1: nobody talking about nobody else but him. That's it. You
Speaker 1: look at the and Halle is an unbelievable player. But
Speaker 1: when you got Luca and you still got Steph, and
Speaker 1: you got Shade, I mean, you got Bruns and doing
Speaker 1: his he wrote it's like it's Jao, you know how
Speaker 1: it is in there. You played kind of like the
Speaker 1: tail end of the big era. I mean, look at
Speaker 1: all the big but when Shaq were doing what he
Speaker 1: was doing, man, you ate unless you was a Lijah
Speaker 1: Won or Robinson, but there was a really quality big.
Speaker 1: But you don't get credit because these other guys are
Speaker 1: playing so well. Steph Curry, James Harden is still in
Speaker 1: the league. Steph Curry is still in the league. You
Speaker 1: got Luca still in the league. So it's gonna be
Speaker 1: hard or I think for Halle to get the credit
Speaker 1: that he deserves. Even if he wins, I still believe
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for people to look at him
Speaker 1: as like I still would take.
Speaker 2: Luke over him. I will still take Steph. I will
Speaker 2: still take the X, Y, Z and T.
Speaker 1: Well. The only reason why that is right, and we
Speaker 1: talk about you know you heard this overrated stuff, right,
Speaker 1: A lot of it is is the big game than
Speaker 1: the disappearance. Yes, that is the only reason. Now we
Speaker 1: having a whole other conversation. Is he come out tonight
Speaker 1: and he has twenty plus yo, twenty twenty plus points.
Speaker 2: That was that really mattered? Right? If you look in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter of the twelve that he's scored in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter through again over empty calories.
Speaker 1: Right, I think from a respect, I do believe he
Speaker 1: is learning, right because if you look at his body
Speaker 1: expressions on the bench, right, he's welcome to himself. Right,
Speaker 1: you gotta go through that experience, right of people gonna
Speaker 1: take Luca, they're gonna take Steph because they're gonna give
Speaker 1: you those those twenty thirty forties.
Speaker 2: On every night. Yeah, he's trying to really, it's almost
Speaker 2: like he's trying to find himself without deteriorating who he
Speaker 2: truly is, which is it past first point guard? And
Speaker 2: so we gotta get a give a little bit of grace.
Speaker 2: I just need him to be more aggressive to start
Speaker 2: and let the cars fall as they may as the
Speaker 2: game progress.
Speaker 1: You know who was the past first point guard, Magic
Speaker 1: Johnson until he got his ass in the NBA Finals
Speaker 1: against You're filling up your seventy six ers and he
Speaker 1: went forty two fifteen, Excelf. You say, the hell with
Speaker 1: that pass? He says, And sometimes that's what you have
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, you know, Lebron is really a path.
Speaker 1: But at some point time, at some point, you gotta
Speaker 1: faure you know what that hell with this right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get mind y'all rebound and put it back in
Speaker 1: the hole if you can't get it back out.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what Halley's gonna have to do.
Speaker 2: That's the approach he's gonna have to take. And it's
Speaker 2: all on it's all on knowing when he hit that switch.
Speaker 2: Magic knew when he hit that switch. Lebron knew when
Speaker 2: he hit that switch.
Speaker 3: It's all about Halle understanding when he hit that switch,
Speaker 3: especially doing it before before your team goes down fifteen
Speaker 3: before your team goes down twenty.
Speaker 1: It seems like he comes out and uh, he looks
Speaker 1: for those other guys to kind of get them going. Yes, him,
Speaker 1: like he has to understand he is him, you know,
Speaker 1: like he has to come out, set the tone, set
Speaker 1: the pace in which they want to play, to be aggressive, because,
Speaker 1: like you say, they won game one, so they did
Speaker 1: kind of seem a little like, Okay, we don't feel
Speaker 1: a little faster scene content. Yeah, they seem a little content.
Speaker 1: So I expect the different paces team to show.
Speaker 2: Up in Game three.
Speaker 1: Guys being at home, playing in front of their own
Speaker 1: crowd a lot more confidence. These guys will probably play
Speaker 1: at a much faster place. They only had what nine
Speaker 1: fast break points to night. They ain't gonna get it
Speaker 1: for them to win. We know they've been a great
Speaker 1: fast break team the entire season. Yeah, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: hard to be Okay, see at a half court sent
Speaker 1: they got too many, they got too many great defenders,
Speaker 1: they got their hands are too good, Shaye. Look, Shae
Speaker 1: had what for force steels the night Shae had.
Speaker 2: For steels the night.
Speaker 1: Points. But people you talking about this, they got remember
Speaker 1: coming through high school.
Speaker 2: They got the one kid that don't do nothing but
Speaker 2: run around with you. He shots.
Speaker 1: They got door out there, boy, door out there. He
Speaker 1: is shadow with these boys right now. And I think
Speaker 1: people don't talk a lot about him. He's all defensive,
Speaker 1: defensive team, first team. Yeah, that is major. When you
Speaker 1: can take somebody and say, look, he ain't playing to
Speaker 1: night right right, you run around with him, and that
Speaker 1: is to me, and that does I feel like that
Speaker 1: does have a little bit of an impact on what
Speaker 1: we see with Tyres Halliburton early.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: They're not letting them get a rhythm. They're not letting
Speaker 1: him get to his spots. They say, Okay, y'all gonna
Speaker 1: play four on four while me and you over here,
Speaker 1: you know, run around.
Speaker 2: Hey, may I agree?
Speaker 1: I agree with you, And I love lou Dork for
Speaker 1: that because his game isn't predicated off making shots or scoring.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the plus if he's giving you that.
Speaker 1: But he's in there strictly to be disruptive, to be
Speaker 1: a pass defensively and take out your best player ultimately him,
Speaker 1: him and Wallace. That's why they're in the starting lineup.
Speaker 1: They not necess saying that now if they explode for
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty points. Okay, we're gonna pat him on
Speaker 1: their back. It's gonna be hard to beat them if
Speaker 1: they playing like that. But they're both from there for
Speaker 1: defensive purposes, and they've been doing their job, especially the
Speaker 1: night yep, this is what Isaiah said. Rick Carliles has
Speaker 1: been a coach for the past twenty three years. He
Speaker 1: could be the right man to elevate Halliburton's game and
Speaker 1: the Pacers to a championship caliber team. Isaiah Thomas said,
Speaker 1: you went to an NBA finals, but you didn't win
Speaker 1: a championship until you met Phil Jackson.
Speaker 2: Zeke told shack tonight.
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant didn't become Kobe until Phil Jackson got there.
Speaker 2: Jordan didn't win until Phil Jackson got there.
Speaker 1: You got a coach in this series by the name
Speaker 1: of Rick Carlile, sixty five years old, and we saw
Speaker 1: him the other night run triple stagger, and none of
Speaker 1: these OKC players had seen that before.
Speaker 2: Rick Carlile is bringing some old school stuff.
Speaker 1: This is a different style of style of basketball that
Speaker 1: OKC ain't used to playing against. Well, you have to
Speaker 1: have come out with something else, because I don't know
Speaker 1: what he read tonight, but they ate that up. I
Speaker 1: don't know what that was, Joe, but okay, see, okay
Speaker 1: see was.
Speaker 2: Ready for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had to they I mean they at home,
Speaker 1: best team in the league, they lost Game one. They
Speaker 1: had no choice but to come out and play desperate
Speaker 1: like they did tonight. But I look, I'm not putting
Speaker 1: them past the Pacers. Man. They've shown, they've shown up
Speaker 1: and proven to me this whole entire postseason that when
Speaker 1: you count them out, them boys are gonna bounce back
Speaker 1: and they give you a great game. So the Pacers
Speaker 1: are still in control, guys. You know, you just got
Speaker 1: to protake a home.
Speaker 2: Court, you guys.
Speaker 1: I had a chance to play for Red Carl out
Speaker 1: on Indy, right, and so I know the love of
Speaker 1: coach he is. I remember being in the huddle sometimes
Speaker 1: and he was just after the firking to get the
Speaker 1: two horns. The first horn come and he's just sitting
Speaker 1: there looking And as soon as he had that first horn,
Speaker 1: he starts to draw up sets right that we typically
Speaker 1: you know, like in game situations.
Speaker 2: Right. And that's the type of coach he is. You know,
Speaker 2: he's a savant.
Speaker 1: He's a basketball savann and That's why I'm picking and
Speaker 1: willing to put away on the Pacers in game three.
Speaker 2: Damn, I'm Yoe. What you're trying to do, Joe?
Speaker 1: What we're doing?
Speaker 2: Jail? Little Friendly?
Speaker 1: Bet Hey learn? Let me tell y'all something. And it's
Speaker 1: kind of conflicted for me because General Parko, my I'm
Speaker 1: talking about my best friend, one of my best friends.
Speaker 1: He's an assistant coach for the Pacers. So I'm and then
Speaker 1: you know, I got some former razorbacks playing for the
Speaker 1: thunder South.
Speaker 2: Conflicted.
Speaker 1: But if you want to put a little something on
Speaker 1: the Jayo, you know, little Friendly, nobody had ever complicted
Speaker 1: by money. You notice that, Joe, Hey, you noticed about jail.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever complicted by money on Yo. Ain't no conflict,
Speaker 1: no conflict at all about that. What you gonna do
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Whatever we're gonna do.
Speaker 2: But we both got zel.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. The cashe ain't something. Look,
Speaker 1: it ain't gotta beat nothing to make it nervous, Jayo,
Speaker 1: just a little light hunted or two. We ain't gotta
Speaker 1: act like that.
Speaker 2: Now they got damna, They got damna.
Speaker 1: Joe. I feel good, about the Pacers, bro, I would
Speaker 1: do you yeah, you feel good about them going home
Speaker 1: playing in front of their home craw Absolutely. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna lie do too, but I just think I think, Okay, see, man,
Speaker 1: they've been great on the road, fellas, they've been great
Speaker 1: on they going home gets over that country kitchen, Jay, Oh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna get some of you know, neckbone and fine.
Speaker 1: Can't fish the wings that maca cheefe? Hey, jay, O
Speaker 1: know Jo, you know you can? You do have Some
Speaker 1: teams do have a tendency to kind of let their
Speaker 1: guards down when they get home. Know, they sleep in
Speaker 1: their own bed, you know, they get they relaxed a
Speaker 1: little bit. They got you got fifteen twenty people coming
Speaker 1: in town because they want to see the finals. So
Speaker 1: now you got to entertain and oh no, next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, next thing? You know? Hey, you tied?
Speaker 2: How much? How much? How much? How much NBA Finals
Speaker 2: tickets costs? Oh?
Speaker 1: Man, listen, I was checking the daycause I will take
Speaker 1: my son like second and third rows fifty six hundred
Speaker 1: per ticket?
Speaker 3: Hey oh the type of the only the only fifty
Speaker 3: six I know is Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 2: That's about it.
Speaker 1: Hey, Hey, by them super Bowl tickets beat they Hey
Speaker 1: they head cracking. Now, man, them su bow tickets be
Speaker 1: going fifteen, twenty thirty, forty fifty five. Hey, look you
Speaker 1: gotta look at the money these dudes making. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's one game, right you talking about what i'd
Speaker 1: like to like? The front Road the floor seats was
Speaker 1: almost twelve thousand per se. But but jayo, think about
Speaker 1: how high you up? How high you in the stadium?
Speaker 1: At least at least you could yell something. They can
Speaker 1: hear you. You so high, I'm paying four fives and
Speaker 1: five six thousand dollars. Ain't nobody hear you? But du next,
Speaker 1: don't you just man stop on the damn yelling the
Speaker 1: thing man and check this out. Let me do what
Speaker 1: y'all think about this. The Knicks are reportedly preparing to
Speaker 1: make a tsunami type offer to a Quai Yannis from
Speaker 1: the Buck. Y'all who's sports are reporting the New York
Speaker 1: uh Nick would receive you honest, Milwaukee would give them.
Speaker 1: Called Anthony Towns Tyler Colic Washington's twenty twenty six protected
Speaker 1: first round draft pick, two first round pick swaps twenty
Speaker 1: six and twenty thirty.
Speaker 2: Nah, hell nah dagn enough who how about sue no me?
Speaker 1: Who's the second? That ain't even damn brain drop? Listen, holo, holo,
Speaker 1: let me read that again, because baby, it's beat jay
Speaker 1: I will get you a Joe.
Speaker 2: What y'all thinking about this? Okay?
Speaker 1: The Knicks will get Yannis and in return, Milwaukee would
Speaker 1: get called Anthony Towns Tyler Colic Washington's twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: protected first round pick, a first round picks and two
Speaker 1: pick swaps in twenty six and thirty. That ain't no
Speaker 1: so su su nami?
Speaker 2: Look, no disrespect, but who was the second? Dude? You said,
Speaker 2: I don't even know who that is?
Speaker 1: I don't know hey nah no no no no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, I don't know who that is? Jayo, what
Speaker 1: what they doing there? Soon? Now? They ain't no sue noami?
Speaker 1: But or listen, if the Knicks pull that off, we.
Speaker 2: Yig, I mean you ain't gonna hap them.
Speaker 1: That's a tough one, man, because right now, any mega
Speaker 1: trade you gotta give up, you gotta give up some core,
Speaker 1: right yeah, we gotta make sure one of the things
Speaker 1: I think is unvalued is the other the other players
Speaker 1: right to support system. Right, you start piling out a
Speaker 1: way to go get a mega player. Then then you
Speaker 1: know you're gonna be in probably the same place or worse.
Speaker 1: You know, by the time the mecca players get there.
Speaker 2: So I didn't listening to that deal.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything that will bring value back to Milwaukee, right, No,
Speaker 1: So I mean, so you're gonna another word I don't
Speaker 1: give you. That's not a tsunami, that's ribaly.
Speaker 2: Hey, So let me get this right.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you Yanni's and I ain't gonna get
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna try to get Michael Bridges.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna try to get o g Anoby.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna try to get none of them, because
Speaker 1: you gonna give him a championship. If you give him,
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be in the Eastern Conference finals for shure.
Speaker 1: Think about it. You think about so. Now you've got
Speaker 1: a defensive team with y'all as that can protect you.
Speaker 1: Got Josh Hart that can defend O g that can
Speaker 1: defend Michel Bridges, that man, stop it. Whoever proposed this trade,
Speaker 1: y'all be hey, that's not even a tsunoma.
Speaker 2: That's not even a ripper. That won't But you know
Speaker 2: that's not happening.
Speaker 3: That was That was just to create a distraction, you know,
Speaker 3: to let you know, so what's going on behind the
Speaker 3: scenes can go under the radar.
Speaker 2: That's all that was.
Speaker 1: But I give credit they put hey, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: y'all cat. They put the head like cat first, and
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I'm like, hold on, Tyler Kolek,
Speaker 1: who is he? I protected? No that twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: He needs to be unprotected. Man. Yeah, I don't understand that.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna if you're gonna make a trade like that.
Speaker 2: Was it the coach or is it the rosteruse it both.
Speaker 1: I think the thing is when they want when they
Speaker 1: beat the Celtics, now because you get what you call
Speaker 1: expectations of jail. Because so now you beat the Celtics,
Speaker 1: everybody said, b man, they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 1: run through the pacers. And they was supposed to be
Speaker 1: in the NBA finals and when it didn't happen, Hey, love, listen,
Speaker 1: if the niggas get Yannis man, they can put me ahead. Coach,
Speaker 1: I promise you, we're gonna win some games. Hear me,
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it. We're gonna make it to these
Speaker 1: conference finals for sure. You get Yanni's playing with all
Speaker 1: them the other dudes, and you only giving up Cat
Speaker 1: and the other dudes you talking about. I'm fine, I
Speaker 1: don't even know who that is. But boy, listen, it
Speaker 1: ain't gonna take much. I definitely think there are other
Speaker 1: teams that have more, could give up more. Hell go
Speaker 1: to Houston and ask, Okay, give me Shoan Gooon, give
Speaker 1: me Jalen Green, give me two a couple of But
Speaker 1: now that's better than Cat and this other cat. I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, Jay, get I mean, bro, even swamp ain't
Speaker 1: no swindle. I feel you trying to swindle me. Hey listen,
Speaker 1: but what about this? What if what if Johannis don't
Speaker 1: want to go out west? What if you want to
Speaker 1: stay in the East because the East will be a
Speaker 1: lot smoother firstus the west. He said he wanted to
Speaker 1: what's being reported. He wanted to go somewhere where they
Speaker 1: don't have any state taxes. Texas doesn't have state tax,
Speaker 1: Florida doesn't have state tax. Hey, there you go. I
Speaker 1: think Tennessee doesn't have state tax. You go to New York,
Speaker 1: Ohio doesn't have state Ohio have state tax was.
Speaker 2: One of the worst New York and l a to
Speaker 2: the worst.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're already listen, you already told you where he
Speaker 3: wanted to go.
Speaker 2: Uncle. You got to do is read between the lines,
Speaker 2: that's all. But I mean the.
Speaker 1: Question then is, you know you kind of look at
Speaker 1: the Lakers right right, the Lakers is they made the
Speaker 1: beach you know, make the Beach trade and just you
Speaker 1: know Anthony Davis basically for uh Luca. But they're making
Speaker 1: so much money between the two, you don't have enough
Speaker 1: money to construct the team at you need to write
Speaker 1: and so you know the Apron the new tax Apron
Speaker 1: deal just kicked in this year.
Speaker 2: Oh, your team's a little bit more bootstrap.
Speaker 1: So the question is where wherever Y'allnis goes, wherever he lands,
Speaker 1: do they have enough given away whatever you have to
Speaker 1: give away to compete for the championship. Absolutely well, if
Speaker 1: they're only giving up Cat and Colic, that's who all
Speaker 1: your screen. You see the guy that's Tyler Kolik on
Speaker 1: the screen right there, that ain't having any coach. Man,
Speaker 1: ain't no way y'all just sitting meet Cat and this cat.
Speaker 2: No, I ain't going but Tyler, Tyler nice with it.
Speaker 2: Tyler got some game. Oh here he go.
Speaker 1: That man, don't know where that is talent?
Speaker 2: You know you don't o Joe.
Speaker 1: But but Jao, if all you've given up and cat
Speaker 1: in this gentlemen that you see on the screen they loaded,
Speaker 1: This is a lie.
Speaker 2: There's no way they're doing that, brou They just they
Speaker 2: just talking. Brother.
Speaker 1: They try to get some tweets and you know there's
Speaker 1: some lights and some refolds. There's no way they do.
Speaker 1: Now you have to give up. You go, you gonna
Speaker 1: lose o g or Michel Bridges. You're gonna lose one
Speaker 1: of them. But then that's that's kind of defeating the purpose.
Speaker 1: If you're Jannis right, if I'm going to New York, man,
Speaker 1: I at least want to keep one of them, dudes,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna get yeah, you keep one of them,
Speaker 1: but you ain't keeping both of us. Okay, I can
Speaker 1: see that. But you can't take both of them because
Speaker 1: now you take our grid and grind away and everything
Speaker 1: is left up the Jianna said, and brustling to do
Speaker 1: out of dirty work. Hey, you could have one, but
Speaker 1: I ain't letting you keep both of them.
Speaker 2: So what what is it? Which one.
Speaker 1: Which one you want jail, you want O G H,
Speaker 1: you want Michel Bridges, But I'm getting one of them.
Speaker 1: I'm getting away with Michel Bridges. Okay, I think O
Speaker 1: G O G just does he does a lot more.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he does a lot more offensive indefensively.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. Crazy, I like kat, I like him.
Speaker 1: Do rethink Janni's and Brunson can play together because Brunson
Speaker 1: is a ball They so much alike. They both need
Speaker 1: the ball a lot, So I don't know. If you
Speaker 1: make that you give, I don't know. I mean it
Speaker 1: don't look good because both of them usage Drake, what
Speaker 1: is what is brustl usage?
Speaker 2: Drake?
Speaker 1: What's Gianni's usage rate? Because both of those got to
Speaker 1: have the ball in order for them to function. I
Speaker 1: don't think either guy is really good without the ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, is not great without the ball.
Speaker 1: He's he's most effective when you know he has a
Speaker 1: ball in his hand coming downhill, whether it's off a
Speaker 1: rebound or what have you. But making plays, spreading out
Speaker 1: the guys for threes and getting to the basket, putting
Speaker 1: pressure on the rim, that's when he's at his best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jannis was first of usage with thirty five, bruntly with
Speaker 1: thirteenth at twenty nine. Yeah, so you got two guys
Speaker 1: with high usage. And I don't think what brunting and
Speaker 1: and and Yanna. I don't think brunsing is that good
Speaker 1: without the ball now he's he's not that great, but
Speaker 1: he can play without it. On like he catching shoot
Speaker 1: as opposed to Janni's. He's not a catching shoot person
Speaker 1: at all. So if you running a pick and roll,
Speaker 1: he ain't a shoot person, damn catching the shooting. He
Speaker 1: ain't a shoe person. He lay up a layup and
Speaker 1: don't type person. Right, So listen, if you running a
Speaker 1: pick and roll with Jannison buruntsing, that don't scare me
Speaker 1: versus you know, Cat and brunts in because Cat can
Speaker 1: picking pop picking pop. So the big Yanna Saint picking
Speaker 1: pie poppy ish, Yeah, he ain't. So the big on
Speaker 1: always stay low and let Yanna shoot that jumper all
Speaker 1: day long.
Speaker 2: All day long. That's why I don't like. I don't like.
Speaker 1: I don't like them trading Cat though, because at least
Speaker 1: Cat mean, I get it. He doesn't defend as well,
Speaker 1: but he's different from anything else that they have, right,
Speaker 1: And if He really really looked in the mirror and said, look,
Speaker 1: every time I take my ass to that box, I'm
Speaker 1: working them right right every time he just works on
Speaker 1: the then he just go back out to the three
Speaker 1: point line and stand on the three point line. If
Speaker 1: he really just get to that dominant form, man, he
Speaker 1: could be everything to Knicks me obviously adding a couple
Speaker 1: more pieces here in there.
Speaker 2: But I like I like Cat with the Knicks. I
Speaker 2: don't like Gianni's with the Knicks.
Speaker 1: I like Cat to JL, but it's less resistance out
Speaker 1: there on the perimeter form versus if he in that paint.
Speaker 1: It's just this a doggy dog world. Know, it's great grind,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's a lot. They're bumping
Speaker 1: the grind down there. He ain't want that, He wouldn't
Speaker 1: looking for it. You gotta be you gotta be in
Speaker 1: some least shape to be able to, you know, take
Speaker 1: that bumping grind night in and night out. And I
Speaker 1: think that's why he always drifts back out to the
Speaker 1: three because, like you say, not, it ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: no resistance out there. Like it's you know, guys, he
Speaker 1: could just sit out there and just kind of shoot jumpers.
Speaker 2: But Joe, let me ask you a question though. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm sitting trying to think who the hell outside of him?
Speaker 2: And be the hell down there? Yo, she ain't better.
Speaker 1: We're just talking about it ain't about yes, yeah, it ain't.
Speaker 1: But like four or five a week, if kat is
Speaker 1: Joel embiid uh is yo kic if Shung Goon Rudy Gobert.
Speaker 1: But and he ain't really post him, right, he really
Speaker 1: knows that, right, bonus or you take some bonus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So to me, it ain't it ain't the it ain't
Speaker 1: the it ain't the grinding the post. To me, it
Speaker 1: got to be his condition and how in shape he is, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, and I are you know every every night
Speaker 1: it is a power for right, you know down there
Speaker 1: you spin off one, there's another one there, right they
Speaker 1: talking about the two bigs from tonight.
Speaker 2: That was normal. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But so now when I look at it, he typically
Speaker 1: when he's playing that post, he's bigger than everybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the exception three or four of the people
Speaker 2: in the lead. He got the skills to score down there.
Speaker 1: So to me, I think he got in a little
Speaker 1: bit better shape, right, to have a little bit more endurance,
Speaker 1: he can mix the match out, he wants to play
Speaker 1: his game. He'd be a lot better. But you know
Speaker 1: it's a hard rockster to see him get up trying
Speaker 1: to get him down the court at that age. You
Speaker 1: know what is he twenty eight now? Twenty can't probably
Speaker 1: that twenty nine, Yeah, he didn't.
Speaker 2: He looked like he labored. He especially in the Yeah,
Speaker 2: ended up and down that floor.
Speaker 1: The volume