WEBVTT - Nightcap - Hour 1: Unc, Ocho, Iso, & Jermaine O’neal react to Thunder evening the series 1-1! 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:18.880 The volume and hello, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:21.720 joining us for another episode of Nightcap. As you watch 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:25.200 the OKC Thunder even the series up one one with 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:27.600 a one twenty three one oh seventh victory over the 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.360 Indiana Pacers that got back on the winning track. Now 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:33.360 they're gonna go back go to Indiana on Tuesday and 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.440 see if they can snatch home court back. Thank you 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.519 for joining us. Y'all know me, I am your favorite UNC. 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:43.680 It's Wednesday Wednesday, my bad Wednesday Wednesday. I am your 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:47.640 favorite AUNC Shanna Sharp, my partner and co host member 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.760 of the Nightcap team, Liberty City's own Benga Ring of 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:56.680 Fame honoree Pro Bowler, All Pro Chad o Cho Senko Johnson, 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.440 our third member of the Big Three, joined us during 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.720 the basketball season. Now he's doing an excellent job begging 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.280 about bringing this man off for football. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:06.560 He knows so much about football. 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:12.200 You know, all things are no good time now, argusas 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:16.480 David University of Arkansas love I saw Joe Joe Johnson 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.360 and joining us to break down tonight's game. He's a 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.959 former member of the Indiana Pacers. He's a seven. He's 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.959 a six time All Star, three time All NBA selection 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.600 from Old Claire High School out of Columbia, South Carolina 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:32.880 area is Jermaine O'Neill. 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:34.440 Let's get right into it. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.520 Ok See, they won the most games in the regular 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.880 season really with the exception of the Nuggets. They kind 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.240 of breezed through the playoffs. We knew they were gonna 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.000 bounce back, and they did this in convincing fashion. Joe, 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:47.440 I'm gonna start with you, then I'm gonna kick it 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.440 to you. Jamaine, what did you like about what you 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:54.440 saw from OKC tonight? I thought OKAC was, you know, 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.160 relentless and their approach knowing that you know, there's no 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:58.680 way they can go back there, they can go to 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:01.480 Indiana down two. You know, I thought they came out 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:03.920 played with a sense of desperation and they kind of continued, 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.280 you know, pretty pretty much throughout the entire game. And 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.919 for me, you know, I think when when you watch 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:14.239 this final, especially knowing what what OKC have done, you know, 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.200 pretty much throughout the whole season, which has been the 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.720 best team. I thought they put their stamp on the 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.320 game to day and they never took their foot off 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:20.720 the gas. 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:24.600 I thought they were great yeah, they jail for me. 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:26.240 I thought they did a lot of the same things 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.240 they did in the first game. I think defensively, we 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.120 see what they are. They make every possession tough. You 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:33.800 got to really earn it. Uh. They you know, they 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:35.720 kept for the most part, they kept the Pacers out 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.840 of that transition offense. And you know, when you look 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.920 at game one versus tonight, you know, every time the 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:45.000 Pacers try to make a run, they responded by getting stops, 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.120 they responded by getting a score. So I thought that 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:49.000 was the difference because getting Game one, it was only 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:53.400 the Pacers only led one possession, right, and that was 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.320 the end of the game, right, And so they did 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.320 a really good job defensively of controlling tempo and controlling 0:02:58.320 --> 0:02:59.079 the outcoming the game. 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.200 Ojo Yeah, I mean, I'm piggyback off of what Jo 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.920 Jao said obviously that the Thunders. The Thunders pressure defensively 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.960 is relieved. They had ten steals. They hear Halliburton's hell, 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.519 you only had five assists. The Pacers really couldn't find 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.919 any type of rhythm and they couldn't get into any 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:24.560 any early any early offense. The Thunder played, and but 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.120 the sense of desperation and understanding that we can't go 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:31.760 down oh two and oh ship. That's just back just 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:32.600 about what happened. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.760 Baby Indiana thought they could play the same way they 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.320 played the first game, and when this ball game they 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:40.600 will sloppy. The first three quarters of the ball game. 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.840 If you look at the turnovers, Halliburton had six assists. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:45.880 He had five turnovers. So you know it's going to 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.240 be a hard because Halliburton is not a turnover guy. 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:52.120 It's many assists, Jail and and and and and Joey's 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.400 you know, O Joe. You know he's a guy who's 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.920 had fifteen assistant no turnovers. He's had nineteen assistant no turnovers, 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.040 twenty assistant one turnover. So you see him have six 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.680 assists and five turnovers. That lets you know they're struggling 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:08.360 to get into their offensive sets. They did a great job. Okay, 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.120 see this game they got on the glass. Remember we 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.920 talked about Joe, how many second chance points they allowed 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.120 any out of the get not this game. They beat 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.280 him on They beat him on the offensive end. They 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:21.640 beat him in the rebounding stats. Shay was a lot 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.359 more efficient level of twenty one. The other game he 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:26.920 had thirty eight, but he took him thirty shots. Tonight 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:30.520 he had thirty four on twenty one shots. Chad Hongeren 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.560 decided to come to the party. He was invited to 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.000 Game one. He decided not to show up till late, 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:36.400 and it wasn't enough. 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.480 Pacers. Look, I hope the Paces. 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.400 Don't think, oh, we got what We're good going home, 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.960 because okay, see is a very good road team. They 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.440 are a very good road team. There's a reason why 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:51.600 they won the most games. There's a reason why they 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.880 have the MVP. They have an all they have another 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:58.000 player than Jayalen Williams who's an All the NBA defensive 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:02.960 player and All NBA. So, guys, I don't know. I 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.360 look and you can see the frustration on coach Carlile's face. 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:08.160 Yeah, hey Jo. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.800 He used like three tirebouts in the matter five minutes 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.840 because he felt the game starting to slip away from him. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:15.480 Me like, no, I gotta I gotta quell some of 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:18.000 his momentum and he wasn't able to do it. Give 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.440 the Thunder credit tonight because I thought they played it 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.799 really well. And it's not so much what the Pacers 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.560 didn't do is what Okay, did do okay see? Did 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.080 do okay? See forced them to play this style of 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.560 a ball game? I thought, I thought, okay, see, you know, 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:34.920 played great in the first game as far as defensively, 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:39.200 but tonight, you know, they pretty much had control defensively, 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.440 keeping guys out the paint, making it tough for him. 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:44.400 And I'm curious to hear what Jayo got to say 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.920 man about Hallen Burton, especially you know early in the game. Jao. 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.279 For me, you know, when I watched it, I knew 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:52.760 in the fourth quarter he was going to try to 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:54.640 sert himself a little bit and try to, you know, 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.560 get him back in the game. But I think he's 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.560 so passive, you know, to start the game, and it 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.080 kind of it gets him out of rhythm, and I 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.440 think it takes away from you know, what he does. 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.479 I know he's a great pass a great facilitator, but 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:11.120 this is the biggest stage. I think, you know, he 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.440 has to come out and give him something, you know, 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:15.560 because for me, it's like, oh, Joe, when he when 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.200 he catched the ball, he come up to pick and roll, 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:18.919 he's not even looking at the basket. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.080 Yeah, he's looking the past. He looking he look at 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:22.440 the pass. 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:24.760 He's looking where his next pass is going to be, 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.760 versus putting pressure on the rim and trying to make 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.719 a play. And I just think, you know, obviously I 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:32.440 think he'll play a lot better when they go home. 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.520 But for me, I'm kids to hear what Jayo got 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.040 to say about that. Yeah, and you didn't nobody. I 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.080 think the one thing with Terre's Halliburton is you know, 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:43.920 when you look at the last game, right, he got 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:45.680 bailed out because he hit the shot, right, he. 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.760 Only had he finished in fourteen, right, and he looking. 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.640 In tonight again, you know, he inserted itself late in 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:53.120 the fourth, but they were down twenty. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.119 Look at the rest of their roster. They had seven 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:56.839 double figure scores today. Right. 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.599 That's the difference between you know the Pacers really really 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.600 you know, staying in the game and really have an 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.400 opportunity to win. It's him, right, Yeah, go back to 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.200 the Knick series when he had the triple double. I 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.680 actually talked to him right before you know, tip off, 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:11.440 and he said he was about to get after it. 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.040 He saw it in his eyes from day one. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.760 When he could penetrate, touch the paint, he create opportunities, 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.480 He opens up his opportunities and he's aggressive. 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.120 I do not and Joe, you know, you know, does 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:22.760 very well. 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.960 You're playing a dangerous game when you're trying to wait 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:29.400 into the fourth to help your team, right, You're not 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:31.320 going to continue to make those shots, right, and then 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.440 you gotta at least give you your team a chance 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.000 to have an opportunity to make to be in the game, 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:37.560 you know, come fourth quarter. 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.360 And you know he didn't do a very good job 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:39.920 of that today. 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.520 And obviously you know, okay, see, you know had had 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:46.440 you know, answers with Aaron Wiggins had huge games and 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.080 eighteen and Caruso had twenty. 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.240 Right, you know, the stars got to be stars. We 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.320 all know that in every league. And if you can't 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.520 be a start and you your team is you know, 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.880 dulnerable to lose a game, and tonight they did. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:05.360 It's it's kind of funny though, honestly, when you think 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.679 about it, Holly Burton in the first game, his approach 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.880 to the game the first game was the same way. 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.440 He was very passive, you know, allowed the rest of 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.240 his team to get their shots here and allowed them 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.480 to be in rhythm and that kept them in the game. 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.000 Unto those final moments and then he decided, you know what, 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:20.440 all right, I'm going to take over and take this 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.440 last shot. Yeah, just in the day's game, he tried 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.760 that same approach, but it didn't work because they were down. 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:26.640 They were down to damn. 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.360 And I will say this O Joe one thing about 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.760 and I think people it's this crazy thing where he's 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:35.600 learning to be a star. 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:36.120 Right. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.199 You know when people say superstars, superstars are already they 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.040 already know how to carry a team. I think he's 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:43.960 he's a starter, is learning to try to be a 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:47.959 superstar as pass first point guard. Right, so you know 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.680 that team needs him to be high motive from start 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:52.559 to finish. If he can't do that, then I don't 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.640 think they can beat the whole case. You thunder he's 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.640 not aggressive, right, hey hey hey, oh and they kind 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:00.520 of piggyback on Aunks say, uh, I think, oh, you 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:02.480 got to give okay see credit because they play a 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:03.120 great defense. 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:04.640 See they able to keep. 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.080 Hallenburg out of the paint. Now a lot of times 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.200 when he get in the paint, he's not necessarily scoring. 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.839 He's kicking it out, firing out for threes. And they 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:14.560 wasn't getting them easy. They wasn't getting them easy three tonight. 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:16.080 You know, I know they made some, but for the 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.199 most part, I thought, okay, see, he's done a great 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.680 job of keeping guys in front, making it tough on 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:23.040 them and not giving them the easy penetration to where 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.520 they got the libs or the layups or you know, 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:26.600 just wide open threes. 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:29.160 So you got to give ok okay see some credit. 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:32.959 When you drive, when you drive the lane against the thunder, 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.359 you better keep you out on your luggage man, because. 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.880 They go into your pocket. They going into your pockets, jail. 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.200 I mean you see Halliburton, he like he, oh, I 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:42.400 got me a layup and Shane's said, no, you don't. 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:45.000 And you think you got a layup and lou Dorr said, no, 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.280 you don't, Caruso. They dig it in your pocket. And 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.480 so you basically if you got something in your back pocket, 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.360 you got this ball behind you? Oh this get did 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.040 they dig it out? You got better be like a 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:57.880 New York on the subway. You better keep everything in 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:01.680 your front pocket. Hey, but cause if you don't, and look, 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.000 you should surprise us. Though they've been what the best 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:07.640 defensive team pretty much the se So when I see 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.040 them playing great defense, like this, It doesn't surprise me. 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.880 This is kind of actually what I expect. Yeah, yes, 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:15.480 And the thing and the thing I thought. The thing 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.320 what they did tonight is that they hit those shots. 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.240 Remember they got out to that they had a fourteen 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.440 point lead in the fourth quarter, but they kept their 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.560 foot on the gas. They didn't let up even when 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.800 Indiana went on that ten oh run. It's like, guess what, 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:30.800 they follow them back. They come right back and going 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.640 to nine or running themselves there and bill a Lee 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:33.880 right back to where it was. 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.800 So I just and I agree with you guys. 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:38.959 I think Tyre's Halliburton is gonna have to be aggressive 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.000 and guys are gonna have to hit open shots. I 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.439 thought past Gal was a little a little tenanty tonight. 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:45.720 Three of eleven. That's not a whole lot of shots. 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:47.520 I mean, look at all the guys that had as 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.000 many shots as he had. Nie Smith had more shots, 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:53.320 or obviously Halliburton had more shots. My Alturner had more shots. 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:57.439 They didn't shoot the three ball well, but they allowed 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.719 uh okay see to shoot forty nine sent from the floor. 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:03.800 They shot thirty thirty nine percent from the three. You 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.160 let them shoot thirty three free throws. Okay see, they're 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.280 a good free throw shooting team, Jail and guys, it's 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:11.640 gonna be hard to beat them when you let them 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:13.440 shoot that many free throws. You let them shoot that 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.360 percentage from the from the field and from the three 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:19.920 point line. Unless you play excellent ball. You get Halliburton 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:23.920 doing what he normally does. It's heroics, Pascal doing what 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.920 he normally does, and Nie Smith and them hard. 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:29.400 You're not beating you. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.120 Let okay see shoot forty nine percent from the floor, 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:36.520 shoot thirty three free throws. It's gonna be hard for 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.880 you to beat them because they play really really good 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.640 defense and they normally don't let you shoot in the 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:42.560 high forties. 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.920 So they got the work cutout for them. 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:46.680 I hope they don't think like I said, okay see, 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:48.960 was one of the better road teams. Yeah, we know 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:51.280 what they are at home because of that crowd. But 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.960 you don't win sixty eight games, but just by winning 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:54.880 forty one at home? 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:59.360 Right, No, Right, And I think I'm gonna be honest. 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:00.920 I think, you know, I gotta I still got to 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.000 give up, you know, give the pacers and keep finding 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.000 a way, you know, And this is to me, it 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.680 goes back to the coaching, right, they hasn't They always 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:11.760 haven't prepared, you know, shout out to Miles Turner, h 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:13.880 Obie Toppings, team Bryant. 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:15.280 Nobody thought that they would hit. 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.400 You know, come, I think they eight or nine threes, 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:21.000 last name big threes, right, yes, and les Miles Turner. 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.840 They have fourteen points, and I think they're doing their 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.280 job from a perspective. They just need the you know, 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.880 they need Haliburton to really take control of it, set 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.360 the temple, get into that pace. They're dangerous when they're 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.480 flying up and down that court. I thought they played 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.520 a little bit slower than they would like. And honestly, okay, 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.000 see has a lot to do with that with them 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:39.920 picking up full and got them you know, you know, 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.240 got two all defensive, you know, guys on you know 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:45.880 on the roster. Yeah, you know, if the Pacers can 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.600 get home and and get into that pace, Ali Burton 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:50.080 become the machine and make them go. 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.400 Uh, I think they have a shot on really, you know, 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:53.480 taking game three. 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.400 Hey, look, we remember last time, Joe we talked about 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.959 not before you'll let you go, Joe. The last time 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.800 we talked about remember the Pacers jail they had three 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.520 guys with double dj rebounds and they had another guy 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.840 that had nine, so they had fifty two rebounds. In 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.360 the first game they had thirty five, So that's minus seventeen. 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.880 That all of a sudden, now and they were really 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.560 good on the glass getting second chance opportunities. They're gonna 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.000 have to do a better job of that. They're gonna 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:21.280 have to do a better job of getting on the 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.760 glass getting second chance opportunities because you know, BEI gonna 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.320 they did, and they did a poor job of taking 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:29.679 care of basketball this game too. They did a much 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:33.240 better job in Game one. I mean, well, you think 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:36.200 about it, they had twenty five turnovers and they win. 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.160 Rick Carlos, like, guys, we don't have fifteen turnovers, but 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:41.559 you had those turnovers when you were down and you 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.439 were trying to make your run. And now all of 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.680 a sudden, they still a couple of the possessions where 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:47.679 you could have probably it was fourteen, you might have 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.400 could have cut in the eight or who knows even 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.640 lower than that. But now all of a sudden, the 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.040 fourteen goes back to twenty when you could have cut it. 0:13:54.080 --> 0:13:56.559 The underdouble figures go ahead, Joey and then you look 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.800 you look at I think everything reversed back to Hallenberg 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.640 because look look at it. Look at his free throw attempts. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.360 He didn't he didn't know, he didn't get to the 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.000 line today. No, that's and that's you know, part of 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.600 being aggressive. Man. This is the biggest stage. They need 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.880 him to get in that paint and make plays. Whether 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.160 it's creating for himself, but he definitely has to create 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.240 for others. And I think if the better he plays, 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.400 We've seen it throughout this postseason, the more dangerous they 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.120 are as a team, the better them other dudes around 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.160 him play when he's aggressive and assert himself. So I 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.120 look for him to be a lot better in Indiana 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.480 And obviously, okay see is a great team on the road. 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.320 I still think, you know, when you look at Indiana 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.080 still has the edge right now. They want one, and 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.280 okay see, they just got to take care of home court. 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:39.240 Yep. 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.360 But you know, okayc is coming in because the same 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.360 thing happened with Denver. Denver stole game one, they ended 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.840 up blowing him out in game two and then guess what, 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.240 okay see, he came right in in game three. In 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:52.800 Game three and smuck it promo. You don't want you 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:54.640 don't want to, you don't want to see that. You 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.240 want to do do everything you possibly can and stop 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.680 spotting these teams. Look it's good, jay, Hey we got 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.080 that a bit. Man, we could track somebody down. Man, 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:04.720 you don't want to say you don't want to spend 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:09.160 you don't want to spend thirty eight forty minutes trying 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.880 to play from behind, because now all of a sudden, 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:14.000 do I still do I have enough to get over 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:18.120 that hump? And tonight, okay, see understood the assignment. They 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.080 knew they couldn't go down two and then get on 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:22.560 the road and try to win. And now we've got 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.280 to beat them four out of the next five games. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.800 That's asking an awful lot for a team that they 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:28.720 go get two on the road. They're gonna be playing 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:30.960 with a lot of confidence. And that's what Okay, that's 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.320 what Indiana normally does. We saw what they did against Cleveland. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:36.600 They went over there and got those two at home 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.400 on the road. They're like, oh, yeah, we're good. Now 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:43.120 we're good. Yeah, And jel think about this, man, and 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.920 this is the thing I think that me Indiana a 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.000 really good team and this is not me being a homer. 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:48.840 But this is just facts. 0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.560 Right when you look at that their running the playoffs, 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.480 they have somebody different or a couple of people different 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:59.320 every game. That's the big, right, That is a hard 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:01.960 thing to defend. And man, they got players across the 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.400 board that are ready to help their team win. And 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.240 I think that's that's really their their calling card. Obviously, 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:08.760 you have to have ahead of a snake, and we 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.280 talked about, you know, the up and ups and downs 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.320 of terre'se. Halliburton, but man, you know, we gotta we 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.680 gotta commend other boys coming off that bench being ready 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:19.880 and you know and make big shots. Oh yeah, because 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.720 look for me, I love TJ McConnell and what he brings. 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:26.200 I love Thomas Bryant coming off. I know Obi Topping 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.800 didn't really give him what he gets in the game one. 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.720 But you know, Mattherin has been aggressive playing well, So 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.000 they gotta play the guys who can really step up 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:36.560 and help them win the game. Yeah, you kind of 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:39.600 need one or two of those guys to explode, and 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.520 tonight they just didn't have it. I mean, Pascal played, 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.160 he played decent, but three four eleven, you know that's 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.040 gonna be tough. They need you know, they need their 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:49.600 big guns to be to be great in order for 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:50.680 them to win on this stage. 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:51.360 Because it's tough. 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.600 Yeah, yeah, listen, they're gonna they gonna win the next game. 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.760 They want win the next game, Wednesday, put something on 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:03.280 it with you who said that that was your Joe? 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:04.960 Where you already. 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:07.440 Anyway? 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.800 But I know I had a burden after after watching 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.119 Once they go back watch film, you understand, Okay, you 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:15.760 know what I got, assert myself a little bit more 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:19.000 understanding they're going to be aggressive. Then I'll then be 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:21.360 passed allow my teammates to get into a game. If 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.159 I see the game slipping away at any point, you 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:25.840 know you can. You're supposed to be the head coach. 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.119 You're supposed to put the points, supposed to understand, like 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:31.080 see the flow of the game and how the game 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.000 is going, and knowing when to shart yourself and win 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.360 not to It's okay to be passive, but I think 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.480 he really wants to get his other players involved because 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:38.320 if they're hitting. 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:41.480 These shots and then he decides to insert himself and pick. 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.480 And choose win to be aggressive, I think that's what 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.240 getting the best chance, and the fact that they're playing 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.200 at home despite what the thunder Dead and how many 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:50.120