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Speaker 1: The volume and hello, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for

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Speaker 1: joining us for another episode of Nightcap. As you watch

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Speaker 1: the OKC Thunder even the series up one one with

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Speaker 1: a one twenty three one oh seventh victory over the

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Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers that got back on the winning track. Now

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Speaker 1: they're gonna go back go to Indiana on Tuesday and

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Speaker 1: see if they can snatch home court back. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Y'all know me, I am your favorite UNC.

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Speaker 1: It's Wednesday Wednesday, my bad Wednesday Wednesday. I am your

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Speaker 1: favorite AUNC Shanna Sharp, my partner and co host member

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Speaker 1: of the Nightcap team, Liberty City's own Benga Ring of

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Speaker 1: Fame honoree Pro Bowler, All Pro Chad o Cho Senko Johnson,

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Speaker 1: our third member of the Big Three, joined us during

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Speaker 1: the basketball season. Now he's doing an excellent job begging

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Speaker 1: about bringing this man off for football.

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Speaker 2: He knows so much about football.

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Speaker 1: You know, all things are no good time now, argusas

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Speaker 1: David University of Arkansas love I saw Joe Joe Johnson

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Speaker 1: and joining us to break down tonight's game. He's a

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Speaker 1: former member of the Indiana Pacers. He's a seven. He's

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Speaker 1: a six time All Star, three time All NBA selection

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Speaker 1: from Old Claire High School out of Columbia, South Carolina

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Speaker 1: area is Jermaine O'Neill.

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Speaker 2: Let's get right into it.

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Speaker 1: Ok See, they won the most games in the regular

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Speaker 1: season really with the exception of the Nuggets. They kind

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Speaker 1: of breezed through the playoffs. We knew they were gonna

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Speaker 1: bounce back, and they did this in convincing fashion. Joe,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with you, then I'm gonna kick it

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Speaker 1: to you. Jamaine, what did you like about what you

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Speaker 1: saw from OKC tonight? I thought OKAC was, you know,

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Speaker 1: relentless and their approach knowing that you know, there's no

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Speaker 1: way they can go back there, they can go to

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Speaker 1: Indiana down two. You know, I thought they came out

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Speaker 1: played with a sense of desperation and they kind of continued,

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Speaker 1: you know, pretty pretty much throughout the entire game. And

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Speaker 1: for me, you know, I think when when you watch

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Speaker 1: this final, especially knowing what what OKC have done, you know,

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Speaker 1: pretty much throughout the whole season, which has been the

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Speaker 1: best team. I thought they put their stamp on the

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Speaker 1: game to day and they never took their foot off

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Speaker 1: the gas.

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Speaker 2: I thought they were great yeah, they jail for me.

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Speaker 1: I thought they did a lot of the same things

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Speaker 1: they did in the first game. I think defensively, we

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Speaker 1: see what they are. They make every possession tough. You

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Speaker 1: got to really earn it. Uh. They you know, they

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Speaker 1: kept for the most part, they kept the Pacers out

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Speaker 1: of that transition offense. And you know, when you look

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Speaker 1: at game one versus tonight, you know, every time the

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Speaker 1: Pacers try to make a run, they responded by getting stops,

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Speaker 1: they responded by getting a score. So I thought that

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Speaker 1: was the difference because getting Game one, it was only

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Speaker 1: the Pacers only led one possession, right, and that was

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Speaker 1: the end of the game, right, And so they did

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Speaker 1: a really good job defensively of controlling tempo and controlling

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Speaker 1: the outcoming the game.

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Speaker 3: Ojo Yeah, I mean, I'm piggyback off of what Jo

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Speaker 3: Jao said obviously that the Thunders. The Thunders pressure defensively

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Speaker 3: is relieved. They had ten steals. They hear Halliburton's hell,

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Speaker 3: you only had five assists. The Pacers really couldn't find

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Speaker 3: any type of rhythm and they couldn't get into any

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Speaker 3: any early any early offense. The Thunder played, and but

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Speaker 3: the sense of desperation and understanding that we can't go

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Speaker 3: down oh two and oh ship. That's just back just

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Speaker 3: about what happened.

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Speaker 1: Baby Indiana thought they could play the same way they

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Speaker 1: played the first game, and when this ball game they

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Speaker 1: will sloppy. The first three quarters of the ball game.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the turnovers, Halliburton had six assists.

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Speaker 1: He had five turnovers. So you know it's going to

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Speaker 1: be a hard because Halliburton is not a turnover guy.

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Speaker 1: It's many assists, Jail and and and and and Joey's

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Speaker 1: you know, O Joe. You know he's a guy who's

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Speaker 1: to get into their offensive sets. They did a great job. Okay,

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Speaker 1: see this game they got on the glass. Remember we

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Speaker 1: beat him in the rebounding stats. Shay was a lot

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Speaker 1: more efficient level of twenty one. The other game he

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Speaker 1: he had thirty four on twenty one shots. Chad Hongeren

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Speaker 2: Pacers. Look, I hope the Paces.

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Speaker 1: Don't think, oh, we got what We're good going home,

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Speaker 1: because okay, see is a very good road team. They

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Speaker 1: they won the most games. There's a reason why they

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Speaker 1: have the MVP. They have an all they have another

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Speaker 1: look and you can see the frustration on coach Carlile's face.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey Jo.

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Speaker 1: He used like three tirebouts in the matter five minutes

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Speaker 1: his momentum and he wasn't able to do it. Give

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Speaker 1: the Thunder credit tonight because I thought they played it

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Speaker 1: really well. And it's not so much what the Pacers

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Speaker 1: didn't do is what Okay, did do okay see? Did

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Speaker 1: but tonight, you know, they pretty much had control defensively,

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Speaker 1: And I'm curious to hear what Jayo got to say

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Speaker 1: man about Hallen Burton, especially you know early in the game. Jao.

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Speaker 1: For me, you know, when I watched it, I knew

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Speaker 1: I know he's a great pass a great facilitator, but

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Speaker 1: because for me, it's like, oh, Joe, when he when

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's looking the past. He looking he look at

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Speaker 1: He's looking where his next pass is going to be,

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Speaker 1: think he'll play a lot better when they go home.

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Speaker 1: But for me, I'm kids to hear what Jayo got

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Speaker 1: think the one thing with Terre's Halliburton is you know,

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Speaker 1: when you look at the last game, right, he got

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Speaker 1: bailed out because he hit the shot, right, he.

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Speaker 2: Only had he finished in fourteen, right, and he looking.

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Speaker 1: In tonight again, you know, he inserted itself late in

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Speaker 1: the fourth, but they were down twenty.

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Speaker 2: Look at the rest of their roster. They had seven

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Speaker 2: double figure scores today. Right.

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Speaker 1: That's the difference between you know the Pacers really really

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Speaker 1: opportunity to win. It's him, right, Yeah, go back to

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Speaker 1: the Knick series when he had the triple double. I

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Speaker 1: actually talked to him right before you know, tip off,

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Speaker 1: and he said he was about to get after it.

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Speaker 2: He saw it in his eyes from day one.

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Speaker 1: When he could penetrate, touch the paint, he create opportunities,

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Speaker 1: He opens up his opportunities and he's aggressive.

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Speaker 2: I do not and Joe, you know, you know, does

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Speaker 1: You're playing a dangerous game when you're trying to wait

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Speaker 1: into the fourth to help your team, right, You're not

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Speaker 1: going to continue to make those shots, right, and then

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Speaker 1: you gotta at least give you your team a chance

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Speaker 1: to have an opportunity to make to be in the game,

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Speaker 1: you know, come fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: And you know he didn't do a very good job

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Speaker 1: And obviously you know, okay, see, you know had had

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Speaker 1: you know, answers with Aaron Wiggins had huge games and

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Speaker 2: Right, you know, the stars got to be stars. We

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Speaker 2: all know that in every league. And if you can't

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Speaker 2: dulnerable to lose a game, and tonight they did.

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Speaker 3: It's it's kind of funny though, honestly, when you think

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Speaker 3: about it, Holly Burton in the first game, his approach

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Speaker 3: He was very passive, you know, allowed the rest of

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Speaker 3: his team to get their shots here and allowed them

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Speaker 3: Unto those final moments and then he decided, you know what,

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Speaker 3: last shot. Yeah, just in the day's game, he tried

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Speaker 3: that same approach, but it didn't work because they were down.

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Speaker 2: They were down to damn.

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Speaker 1: And I will say this O Joe one thing about

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Speaker 1: and I think people it's this crazy thing where he's

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Speaker 1: learning to be a star.

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Speaker 1: You know when people say superstars, superstars are already they

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Speaker 1: already know how to carry a team. I think he's

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Speaker 1: he's a starter, is learning to try to be a

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Speaker 1: superstar as pass first point guard. Right, so you know

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Speaker 1: that team needs him to be high motive from start

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Speaker 1: to finish. If he can't do that, then I don't

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Speaker 1: think they can beat the whole case. You thunder he's

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Speaker 1: not aggressive, right, hey hey hey, oh and they kind

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Speaker 1: got to give okay see credit because they play a

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Speaker 1: great defense.

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Speaker 2: See they able to keep.

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Speaker 1: Hallenburg out of the paint. Now a lot of times

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Speaker 1: when he get in the paint, he's not necessarily scoring.

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Speaker 1: He's kicking it out, firing out for threes. And they

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Speaker 1: wasn't getting them easy. They wasn't getting them easy three tonight.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know they made some, but for the

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Speaker 1: most part, I thought, okay, see, he's done a great

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Speaker 1: them and not giving them the easy penetration to where

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Speaker 1: they got the libs or the layups or you know,

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Speaker 1: just wide open threes.

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Speaker 2: So you got to give ok okay see some credit.

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Speaker 1: When you drive, when you drive the lane against the thunder,

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Speaker 1: you better keep you out on your luggage man, because.

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Speaker 2: They go into your pocket. They going into your pockets, jail.

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Speaker 1: I mean you see Halliburton, he like he, oh, I

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Speaker 1: got me a layup and Shane's said, no, you don't.

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Speaker 1: you don't, Caruso. They dig it in your pocket. And

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Speaker 1: Hey, look, we remember last time, Joe we talked about

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Speaker 1: And obviously, okay see is a great team on the road.

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Speaker 3: You're supposed to put the points, supposed to understand, like

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Speaker 1: But you gotta get okay, see credit because you look

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Speaker 2: was a lot better. He had nineteen. He's obviously he's

435
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:21,320
Speaker 2: the starter. But it just like, where's the like, what's

436
00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,919
Speaker 2: the winning tool to this because.

437
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,359
Speaker 1: It's like every game, like you know, somebody else is

438
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,480
Speaker 1: stepping up big and it's not like the traditional superstars

439
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,200
Speaker 1: taking over games. It's gonna be interesting to see these

440
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,160
Speaker 1: next these next you know three or the next three games.

441
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,040
Speaker 1: They normally there, but paces are a committee team and

442
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 1: that's what makes them so difficult because they don't have

443
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,680
Speaker 1: that superstar that you know, that can go, that can

444
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,480
Speaker 1: consistently go get you thirty. You pencil a man like

445
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,280
Speaker 1: you look at SGA a SGA gonna get thirty a game. Yeah,

446
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 1: you already know that. You play an he's gonna get

447
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,800
Speaker 1: you thirty. You play one of these teams that have

448
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,720
Speaker 1: one of these superstar players, they're gonna get you that number.

449
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 1: What the Pacers do is that they nickeling down you.

450
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,439
Speaker 1: They're gonna have five, six, seven guys in double figure.

451
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 1: They might have one guy with twenty five jail in joke,

452
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,920
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna have a bunch of teams seventeen, eighteen, fifteen,

453
00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 1: fourteen thirteen. That's where they hurt you at. And guys

454
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 1: normally make timely shots. If you go back and look

455
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,680
Speaker 1: at the first game that they stole, they stole from

456
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 1: the Knicks, Nie Smiths came up the bench in his

457
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,120
Speaker 1: sixth threes in five minutes. He might not ever get

458
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 1: that hot again, but he was that hot that night.

459
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 1: You look at some of the other games that they've played,

460
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,840
Speaker 1: and they've been down just like last. Just like the

461
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 1: first game, guys making shots. So the thing is it,

462
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,399
Speaker 1: despare yourself. You gotta stop falling behind by fourteen to

463
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 1: twenty jail. You asked, you asking an awful lot to

464
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 1: contact because as you go further and further the teams

465
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,719
Speaker 1: get better and better. You're playing the best team pro

466
00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:00,240
Speaker 1: stats wise, record wise in the NBA. In the OKC Thunder,

467
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 1: because Shae was the MVP, they have all defensive player

468
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: in lou Dort, they.

469
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 2: Have an All.

470
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 1: NBA player Jayla Williams to go along with Shae, and

471
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 1: dak Now is a very good coach. So you can't

472
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 1: keep getting for a Well, you saw what we did

473
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 1: against the Knicks. We went down and we beat them. Well,

474
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: we know we man, we went down nineteen against the Cows.

475
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 1: That's the The OKC Thunder are entirely different animals.

476
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: Eight they are.

477
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 1: They are tired, entirely different animal I think you know

478
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,640
Speaker 1: when your big guns are playing well. And I'm gonna

479
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 1: speak on Shae. He was very effishing tonight, and yeah,

480
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,360
Speaker 1: get Caruso and Wiggins who had great games. But man,

481
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 1: when y'all look at Shae, look at the pressure that

482
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: he's putting on the defense, you have to send another guy,

483
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: which is giving Caruso them wide open threes, or you

484
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: running pick and roll and Wiggans wide open on the wing.

485
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you're Indiana, do you trap him?

486
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: Try to get the ball out of his hand because

487
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: he keeps splitting. I would o Jo and as a

488
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: perimeter guy, I want to split the pick and roll

489
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: so I have as many options as I can. Versus

490
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: if I come off to pick and roll and y'all

491
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: trap me and make me give it up to make

492
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: some of these other guys make plays. But if I

493
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: split the pick and roll and I got four five

494
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: options to shoot my float to get to the cup,

495
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: or to spray out the three or throw alive to check,

496
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: then y'all in the huk a buck. There's no way

497
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to stop that. So I feel

498
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: like they gonna probably have to trap him man and

499
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: make him get that thing up so and make these

500
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: other guys make plays. I would trap in jail doctor,

501
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: y'all let you go after this. I would trap him.

502
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: As long as Jayalen Williams is struggling. He's still struggling,

503
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 1: I'm goa trapp him because the only guy that's really

504
00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 1: shooting the ball.

505
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 2: Officially, it's really like the night was Caruso and Wiggins.

506
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 1: But if you go look at chet chat with six

507
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 1: and eleven the first game, he didn't play well. He's

508
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: six and eleven, so he's but Jayalenuis was five or fourteen.

509
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: He didn't shoot the ball well. The first game you

510
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: look at lou Dort one of three, he got Caruso

511
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: and Wiggins got most of his minutes tonight, and then

512
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 1: who's the other guy, Wallace.

513
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: Wallace got twenty three minutes. He was two or four.

514
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: So yes, as long as Jayla Williams is struggling, I'm

515
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: gonna trap it.

516
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make him give it up. But it is

517
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 2: a dangerous thing.

518
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: If you do, though, you better be right because at

519
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: the way and uh that these guys are shooting threes, man,

520
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: you will pay the ultimate price, you know, trapping. If

521
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: you're not getting to that rotation fast enough, you're gonna

522
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: be burnt. And the thing that really when watching this game,

523
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 1: and I can't remember this many corner three has been

524
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: given up. Man, I've seen corner three is the easiest

525
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: three on the basketball George distance right, the shortest distance,

526
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: and it is corner threes galore right, you know, on

527
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: the floor, and it's just strange. So I think that's

528
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 1: probably the reason why they aren't aren't trapping because everybody's

529
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: shooting the three.

530
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 2: But you know, you just gotta be right.

531
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: You got to make sure that if you're gonna trap,

532
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: you gotta get those rotations down. But if you look

533
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: at it, guys, Caruso and Wiggins, they're not of eighteen

534
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: from the three. The rest of the guys was five

535
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: of eighteen. So I'm gonna take my chances. I'm look

536
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: at some point in time, Jail, you gotta give up something,

537
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, you know this. If you take something away,

538
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: you gotta give up something. And let's see if they

539
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: can consistently do that. Because this is a big stage.

540
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: This is not a regular season game. You're not playing Orlando,

541
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: you're not playing Sacramento. You're playing the NBA Finals. You

542
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: have the whole NBA world undivided attention on you. I'm

543
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: gonna see if somebody chant was one of three. Jalen

544
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: Williams was one of five, Shae was one of four,

545
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: Lou Darrt one of three, Wallace was all two. So

546
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: when you go back and look at it, with the

547
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: exception of Caruso on Wiggins, everybody else was horrible shooting

548
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: even three point shot. I'm gonna make you. I'm my

549
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 1: adjustment is I see Shae. Shae's averaging thirty six points

550
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: of damn game. Nobody let me take that back. He's

551
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: average thirty seven of the game. I got it. I

552
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: gotta do something. I gotta do something, jail, because he

553
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: thrown be aggressive because if the worst come to worst,

554
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: he'll throw caution to the win and says, I don't

555
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: give a damn about efficiency. I'm gonna get these shots

556
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 1: up and I'm gonna make you file me. I mean,

557
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: but I guarantee they didn't think Wiggins will go for

558
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: eighteen and cruisers and go for twenty, And I thought, no.

559
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I get what you're saying about trapping him

560
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: and trying to make somebody else beat him. First of all,

561
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: I think it's he's too crafted. They those like they

562
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 1: was trying to hard hedge a couple of times with him,

563
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: he was. They were splitting the defense and doing those things.

564
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 1: So he's a very difficult trap and very difficult contained.

565
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: But again, when you go for thirty eight between two people,

566
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: that that's uncounted for right. I can guarantee that wasn't

567
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: any game playing that Crusoe Wiggins would have won for

568
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: thirty eight. So you know he's Damn if you do,

569
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 1: Damn if you don't.

570
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 2: I guess all right, Hey, look I.

571
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: Agree with Jo And to my point, when you look

572
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: at Shade, you know he goes and when he when

573
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: he when he brings the ball up on the wing

574
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,959
Speaker 1: and he goes into that magic justin back down and

575
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: he get into that back down. That's hard to stop

576
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: for any of them, dude, So they have to send

577
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: another guy, which is why they're able to give up

578
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: these corner threes. And you see guys like Wiggins and

579
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: Caruso having great nights. It's because of the success of

580
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: Shake Gilgris, who is you know, putting a lot of

581
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: pressure on the defense because if you don't come double,

582
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a foul or he's gonna score it.

583
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: It's just paid point blank, what a problem that you

584
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: have it? Hey, go ahead, o't Joe.

585
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 2: Now, I was gonna say, I think he got you

586
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: got too many tools in the tool about.

587
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: Regardless of what the game plan is when it comes

588
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 3: to playing Shade, you might want to just say, you

589
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: know what he gonna get here, nobody what to do.

590
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: Sometimes you go into go to a game unk and

591
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 3: you know you have a studdin receiver. You say, you

592
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: know what, we're gonna stop him, but you know you

593
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 3: can't stop him. You can only hope to contain him

594
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 3: and hope he misses the plots. They just have focus

595
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 3: on the other four folks, on the other four, allowing

596
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: them not to get in rhythm, allow them not to

597
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 3: get their shots if they do, allow him to get

598
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 3: their shots in rhythm, allowed to be minimal, and then

599
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: spurts and that that's that's really the only way, because

600
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: that god.

601
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: Damn Shay gonna get whatever you want.

602
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 3: Whether you're trapping, whether iso, whether you pick him up

603
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: from half court, it doesn't matter.

604
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: He gonna get his. But if you can contain the

605
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: other four and manage them, then you what, that's the

606
00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: problem that you ran into.

607
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: You let Shakee get thirty four and then you let

608
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: the other guys go get thirty eight jail, So you've

609
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: done nothing.

610
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: You can't I see if you got.

611
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: If you if you take the shade and you say,

612
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: you know what, shade, you gonna get twenty to twenty

613
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: four and those other guys go get thirty eight, I

614
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: can live with that. I can't let the man get

615
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: above his average and still give up that.

616
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: Couse.

617
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: If I give Jordan, if I let Jordan get his forty,

618
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: and I let Steve, if I let Paxston go get

619
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: eighteen or Steve Kerr go get fifteen, what am I done? Now?

620
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm really at his mercy because Jordan. Now I'm worried

621
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: about Jordan going off, and now I got these other

622
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: guys just just just shooting not me. Hey, I agree,

623
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: I agree, But I think I think you gotta mix

624
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: it up with him.

625
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm not giving him steady die.

626
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: I think the thing is they get they let one

627
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: guy guard him too long, then let them play too

628
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: much one on one jail Damn. That's what I'm saying.

629
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: Like they got him in this little soft catch, and

630
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: it's like, man, he coming off, he got him, He

631
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: got him at at his wheel. Like I think sometimes

632
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: you kind of you gotta go on though a couple

633
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: of times, maybe a couple of times, you gotta give him,

634
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,959
Speaker 1: mix it up, give him different looks to make him

635
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: second guess when he's coming off them picking up out

636
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: because if you don't, he gonna figure you out. And

637
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: once he figured you out, it's a wrap.

638
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

639
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: I think that in the big sometimes are too low

640
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 1: even if they're up, Yeah, way too low with the guy,

641
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: that crafty man. He and he is even though they're

642
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: picking him up full court because they're doing you know,

643
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: they're doing a really good job on picking them up

644
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: full court. Yeah, they trying to wear a bath and

645
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: he's just he's switching gears. Man. It's it's almost it's

646
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: magical to watch him, you know, watch him play like that.

647
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: And again, I just think that the way this game

648
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: is being played right now, you just can't allow. And

649
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: I agree with you on you cannot everybody, I mean,

650
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Speaker 1: get everybody, can't you know, they can't get everything. They

651
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: can't get the bitch going off, They can't get SGA

652
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: going off thirty plus.

653
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: But I know that's why it seems like this. It's

654
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: a strange finals, to be honest, you robber.

655
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: You look at Oho. If somebody come with you the

656
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: Jewish store, what we gonna eight? Are we predicted to

657
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: die in the watches or were worried about or we

658
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: worried about your necklaces and the bracelet we got. Hey,

659
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna pick two things that we ay, the diamonds

660
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: and the watchers. Hey we got that. If they take

661
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: them braceles. They take the necklaces, the hell with it,

662
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: But we got a hold fanst on the diamonds. Then

663
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: they let Shade go get thirty four. They let two

664
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Speaker 1: guys come off the bitch gone them eighteen from the three.

665
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: They like Shade like okay. And the thing is is

666
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: that when the big when he put him in the

667
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: pick and roll, they saw far so far back trying

668
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: to head you catch it.

669
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: Now he even with him, that's a file. You followed him.

670
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: He's going to the basket. He's not once he gets

671
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: even with that big, he's not looking to pass that ball. Guys,

672
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: he's looking he put pressure on the rim and you

673
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: gonna file it.

674
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really that simple. I agree. I agree, a

675
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: lot of tough fakes getting into that.

676
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: Yes, hey, I'll tell you what them diamonds better being

677
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: sure because they can have it. I'm getting out the way.

678
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: They I'm getting out the way. Listen. Uh. The pressure

679
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: that shape puts on the defense man, it's it's believe.

680
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: But like I say, guys, I think you got to

681
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: mix up these defensive coverages, man, because he looks extra

682
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,239
Speaker 1: comfortable out there. And yes, I know they picking him

683
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: up for a court like they did Brunton and kind

684
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: of wear trying to wear him down, and they probably

685
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: hoping by game four he's a little tied. But man,

686
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: when you look at shape, look at his body type,

687
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: and look at his makeup, he is in the elite

688
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: shape he got. He's not a lot of these guys

689
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: who I had got this very high in body fat.

690
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: You know, he looks like a guy who's out who

691
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: really takes lean. I'm being honest. Yeah, he's super lean

692
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: and for me, he don't look like a guy who's

693
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: going to wear down.

694
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I say, this is the one thing that

695
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: people want to talk about.

696
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: You. You always hear about all the threes and how

697
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: many how many threes people taking? But he is killing

698
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: in in the mid in the mid MIDI mid mid

699
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: mid post. He is killing. And what that has done,

700
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: it that has opened up everything else. You talk about

701
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: the Carusos and the Wiggings going for you know, open

702
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: jump shots. He's getting in there, he's drawing the entire

703
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: defense and he's kicking it to people and there knocking

704
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: down shots. Absolutely, he's been efficient from the mid range

705
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: game all season long. Hey, hey guys, he's been He's

706
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: been one of he's been probably what one of two

707
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: or three guys who shot over fifty percent for a

708
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: season from the field, like he's been.

709
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: At the guard position, he at average thirty. I mean

710
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: he and.

711
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: Mike Yeah, I know, I know you think about a guard. Yeah,

712
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 1: a guard that's tough. Jo and scoring thirty. Yeah, that's tough. Now.

713
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: I know some of the efficiency has kind of went

714
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: out in this postseason, but for the most part, you know,

715
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: he's been very consistent and he's been.

716
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: A load to deal with.

717
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: So, uh, whatever they decide to do, they gotta kind

718
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: of mix these things up a little bit. I mean,

719
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: he shot twelve free throws to night. He was eleven

720
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: or twelve from the line, So it lets me know

721
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: he understood the assignment meaning coming out being aggressive. Hey listen, guys,

722
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: don't worry. I put you all on my back to night.

723
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 1: We are not going to Indiana down O two And

724
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: it was fun to watch the night a.

725
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 4: Hey, yeah, you know I was going to say a

726
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 4: peace back and look fit off for the what Joe said,

727
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: He's been like this all season, right, you say he

728
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 4: shot throughout the season, Yeah, he shot like yeah, YO

729
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 4: talked about well when you put that ball on the

730
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 4: floor and decide I'm for to get to that mid

731
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 4: range depending on what you want to do.

732
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: And he's consistent of doing it over and over.

733
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: So no matter what you throw at him, even if

734
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: you say you want to try, even if you say

735
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: you want to confuse him to make make shots contested,

736
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 3: then they use Uh. He's a he's a foul merchant.

737
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: He's always did the free throw line. But here he

738
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: two steps ahead of you. No matter what you want

739
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: to do, he's already telling you. Whatever your game play is,

740
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: I got something to counter that, and he's showing it.

741
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: He's been showing it all season long.

742
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: So if somebody comes out and all they play a

743
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: single high safety you're gonna make, you're gonna eat that up.

744
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: If somebody come all they're gonna player is cover too.

745
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: All they gonna all, they're gonna plays quarters. You've got

746
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: to disguise it. You've got to give a guy. If

747
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: you give a guy a steady diet of anything, no

748
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: matter the medicine you bill of resistance to it, there's.

749
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: A reason why they give you.

750
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: Ex Abody says, okay, take take these and do you

751
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: wing yourself off it? But if you just give them

752
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: steadied out, you will even at the bodies. Whatever the

753
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: medicine is, at some point in time, you're gonna have

754
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: to fluctuate the doses that you take. So if you

755
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: just let nim Hard take him and let him play

756
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: one on one, Okay, okay, hey niece, Smith, you got it. Okay, Mathren,

757
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: you got it.

758
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: Hey.

759
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: Hey. As a matter of fact, when he comes to

760
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: the pick and roll, hey, guys, both of y'all popping.

761
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: We gotta make him get make him give it up,

762
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: especially Hartstein. If Hartenstead, come.

763
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: On, hey, you know what he gonna do to you? Now,

764
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: look at everything you just said. It's gonna I can do.

765
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: It's gonna be like a woman at work at the

766
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: Bunny Rams Vegas. He gonna run through everything. He gonna

767
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: run through it. Whatever you whatever, you.

768
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: Sit at him.

769
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 3: It's like you play Lamar Jackson. You just talked about

770
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: all those different coverages. You gotta show him something different.

771
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: You play patch the homes. It'll matter what you's showing, mom,

772
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,719
Speaker 3: it don't matter. He goes slicing dice because these two

773
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: steps ahead, even understanding what's coming.

774
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta I gotta make him think about something,

775
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: because there might be at one time that I throw

776
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: to look at him and I get to put my

777
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: helmet in the back. Yea, yeah, Hey, there gonna be one.

778
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: They're gonna be one thing. Look, we don't like to

779
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 1: chase ghosts, and guys when we played football, we used

780
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: to call it chasing ghosts. We're gonna prepare for what

781
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: we've seen on tap. Now they're they're big. They'll play

782
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: eighty percent of discoverage. They play ten percent of this coverage.

783
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: They play five percent of discoverage, three percent. Now, I'm

784
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: not gonna prepare for something that we haven't seen. I

785
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: ain't chasing ghosts. But this is what I do know.

786
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: Shay gonna be the He's gonna take the lion's share

787
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 1: of the shots. He's looking to play one on one.

788
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 1: And if you let him play one on one when

789
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: that big is retreating, he gets even with him. He's

790
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 1: not looking to pass, so I don't care. He doesn't

791
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: care if somebody does come at that point in time.

792
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: How can I get to the rim or how can

793
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: I get this shot off? Because like you said, he

794
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: will stop you jump, he jumps it to you and

795
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: he's looking to get an AM one, So I'm gonna

796
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: give him a stick. I'm gonna give it. I got

797
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: to change it up. Look, he's the m v P

798
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: for a reason, but I got to do something. Well, Ultimately,

799
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: this series may come down to really really two people

800
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,919
Speaker 1: that they don't talk a lot about. Right, you got

801
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: one coach and OKC that said they gonna play they

802
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: style play no matter what, Right Rick Carlile, Who's the

803
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: king of adjustments?

804
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: Right?

805
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that mindset from OKC, you know, win of

806
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: the finals or will you know Rick Carlile's genius of

807
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: being able to adjust when the NBA finals, you know,

808
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: for the you know, for the paces.

809
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: To me, that's what's gonna come down to.

810
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: We've seen Rick throughout the playoffs make these you know,

811
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: sole adjustments that allow you know, the paces to you know,

812
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: to win these series. And I think ultimately that may

813
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: be the difference making in this Serianes, Yeah, I agree.

814
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: I agree.

815
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: Hey, look when you look at when you look at

816
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: Wallace and you look at Hartenstein, they didn't have great

817
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: games offensively, but we talk about the second chance points. Uh,

818
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: Wallace was a what plus twelve and the plus Hardenstein

819
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: was a plus seventeen. But the second chance points of

820
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: Hartenstein tipping the balls out, tipping the balls back out.

821
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: A getting second chance three offensive rebounds.

822
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: I think for me, that's kind of like what we

823
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: were talking about in game one. You know, coming laid

824
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: down the stretch, you're playing that small ball, and this

825
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: game it was a lot different. Now. Obviously they had

826
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: more control in game two and they didn't let those

827
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: runs happen that happened in Game one. But for the

828
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: most part, I see, okay, see, they gonna play their way.

829
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: They still gonna start with hungreds at the five, and

830
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: I guess they gonna see what comes from that. Obviously,

831
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: they played a great game to night, so I'm sure

832
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: they gonna go with the same lineup start in game three.

833
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: Sha follows up his game won thirty eight point Game

834
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: one with thirty four to night. It's the most points

835
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: ever by a player in his first two career NBA

836
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: Finals games. Seventy two Wiggins we mentioned eighteen points in

837
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: twenty one minutes. He was five or three from the

838
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: three point line. He was plus plus twenty four. He's

839
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: leading the Finals in plus minus. So he did what

840
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: he Al Caruso twenty points, six to eleven from the field,

841
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: four to eight from the three point line, tied for

842
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: the most points ever in a playoff game. But look,

843
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: Caruso has been here. Remember in the bubble, Remember how

844
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: well he played for the Lakers. Lebron loved playing with him.

845
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: God guess what they had defensive presidents out there? You

846
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: have ad to protect anything. You had KCP that can hound,

847
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: you had Caruso that can hound, and say hey we good.

848
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

849
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: So you look at what they have defensively. That's what

850
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: makes them so good. Jalen Williams can play defense at

851
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: an elite level. You got Wiggins, you got Wallace, you

852
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: got Dor, you got Caruso, you got Chet and Hartenstein

853
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: protecting the rim. They are a very very good team.

854
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: And they can rotate multiple times a lot of times.

855
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: Got Jail and Joe. You know this. A lot of

856
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: tech teams can only rotate one. If they can rotate

857
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: multiple times, yeah, I agree. Basically they young, They're still

858
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: the youngest team, and so one rotation, two rotation, three rotations,

859
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: and they can still get back and know it if

860
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: you get them, if you beat them to the whole.

861
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: They got Chick put it over, Sam Foot put it

862
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 1: over six to eleven, Heart and stick and test. You look, hey, look,

863
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree a j O. And my thing

864
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: is when it comes to Indiana, their rotations were so

865
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: late to night, especially getting out to those threes, and

866
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: I think it cost them too. It cost them throughout

867
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: the whole entire game. And okay, see it's great and

868
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: coming out of traps or coming out of double teams

869
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: and spreading out to the three, getting to those guys,

870
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: they not giving many wide open shots. So you know,

871
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: I think Indiana has to They got to get on

872
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: their horses when they come out of there, them traps,

873
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: when shape posting up and they just leaving guys wide open. Man,

874
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 1: you got two three seconds before a guy even run

875
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: out there and try to get a hand up.

876
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: Right.

877
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know, I think But in the end

878
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: of going back home and playing in that building, I

879
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: think pace is going to be a deciding factor for them. Yes,

880
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, they played with a lot of energy, great

881
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: fan based energies crazy inside that building. So I think

882
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: them getting back get even on scores, getting the ball

883
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: off fast. Thinking about in the in the previous and

884
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: the clinching games. Oh yeah, make me Yeah there, God, Pascal,

885
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the fastest I've seen him run, you

886
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: know since I've been watching basketball, and I gotta believe

887
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: that Pascal Siakame, it's going to be a difference maker.

888
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: Oh he has to be a difference maker, you know,

889
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: come game three in his own building, right with that

890
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: crowd behind him, because the passiveness that he had to

891
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: start this game. And I don't know again was the mindset.

892
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: Hey we got us one right, and we all know

893
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: in sports somebody can roll, they damn ankle or something

894
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: can happen, and you.

895
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: Know everybody, everybody is an injury a way.

896
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: You got to stay greedy, man, and you got to

897
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: take what you can take and not and not expect

898
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: that things gonna happen at home because you know, you

899
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: never you never know. And so I just believe, like

900
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: if they can get back into that pace, that pace

901
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: and pace that they play at that which is fast

902
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: and aggressive, you know, you know, kicking and you know

903
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: and driving that basketball to have a good shot at

904
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: winning US.

905
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: I like what Okase is doing.

906
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: If you notice, guys, they're getting to the outlets, so

907
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: you know how they normally get to have an outlet

908
00:39:59,680 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: right there.

909
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 2: Those guys they're not.

910
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: Going all the way back and said, nah, we're gonna

911
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: stop these outlet passes because we know what y'all want

912
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: to do.

913
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: You want an outlet.

914
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: One pass it outlet and the next thing you know,

915
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: you got Hallett Burton euro stepping and laying the ball up.

916
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: You got over topping euros stepping and dunking the ball.

917
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: So what we're gonna do. We're gonna take away the outlets.

918
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: Dribble it up, Hallee, dribble it up in them hard. No,

919
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 1: we're not giving you no quick no quick bunnies. That's

920
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Weezy had some advice from Hallett ahead

921
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: of Game two.

922
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: This is what he tweeted.

923
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: He said, halle you have to sweep these boys to

924
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: get some real respect from these folks. Y'all clearly walking

925
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: on water and they act like y'all surfing. Hang ten

926
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: dude and make him ride you wave or drown. Ain't

927
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: that a beach?

928
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: Hmmm? I Like?

929
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: I mean, look, sometimes you could be a think about it,

930
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: you could be a great something and just happened to

931
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: be in the wrong era. There's a lot of great

932
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks. But if you played in the Manning the

933
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: and the Tom Brady era, you ain't gett no credit.

934
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: If you played in the joint you were a guard.

935
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: What guard? Credit in the Jordan era in the eighties

936
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: and that what god other than magic in the eighties

937
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: and it wasn't he hit the nine and he wasn't

938
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: nobody talking about nobody else but him. That's it. You

939
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: look at the and Halle is an unbelievable player. But

940
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: when you got Luca and you still got Steph, and

941
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: you got Shade, I mean, you got Bruns and doing

942
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: his he wrote it's like it's Jao, you know how

943
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: it is in there. You played kind of like the

944
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 1: tail end of the big era. I mean, look at

945
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: all the big but when Shaq were doing what he

946
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: was doing, man, you ate unless you was a Lijah

947
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,479
Speaker 1: Won or Robinson, but there was a really quality big.

948
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: But you don't get credit because these other guys are

949
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: playing so well. Steph Curry, James Harden is still in

950
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: the league. Steph Curry is still in the league. You

951
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: got Luca still in the league. So it's gonna be

952
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: hard or I think for Halle to get the credit

953
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: that he deserves. Even if he wins, I still believe

954
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard for people to look at him

955
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: as like I still would take.

956
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: Luke over him. I will still take Steph. I will

957
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: still take the X, Y, Z and T.

958
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: Well. The only reason why that is right, and we

959
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: talk about you know you heard this overrated stuff, right,

960
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: A lot of it is is the big game than

961
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: the disappearance. Yes, that is the only reason. Now we

962
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: having a whole other conversation. Is he come out tonight

963
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: and he has twenty plus yo, twenty twenty plus points.

964
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: That was that really mattered? Right? If you look in

965
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter of the twelve that he's scored in

966
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter through again over empty calories.

967
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: Right, I think from a respect, I do believe he

968
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: is learning, right because if you look at his body

969
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: expressions on the bench, right, he's welcome to himself. Right,

970
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: you gotta go through that experience, right of people gonna

971
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: take Luca, they're gonna take Steph because they're gonna give

972
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: you those those twenty thirty forties.

973
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 2: On every night. Yeah, he's trying to really, it's almost

974
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: like he's trying to find himself without deteriorating who he

975
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: truly is, which is it past first point guard? And

976
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: so we gotta get a give a little bit of grace.

977
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: I just need him to be more aggressive to start

978
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: and let the cars fall as they may as the

979
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: game progress.

980
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: You know who was the past first point guard, Magic

981
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: Johnson until he got his ass in the NBA Finals

982
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: against You're filling up your seventy six ers and he

983
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: went forty two fifteen, Excelf. You say, the hell with

984
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: that pass? He says, And sometimes that's what you have

985
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, you know, Lebron is really a path.

986
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: But at some point time, at some point, you gotta

987
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: faure you know what that hell with this right, I'm

988
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: gonna get mind y'all rebound and put it back in

989
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: the hole if you can't get it back out.

990
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 2: And I think that's what Halley's gonna have to do.

991
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 2: That's the approach he's gonna have to take. And it's

992
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: all on it's all on knowing when he hit that switch.

993
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: Magic knew when he hit that switch. Lebron knew when

994
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: he hit that switch.

995
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 3: It's all about Halle understanding when he hit that switch,

996
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: especially doing it before before your team goes down fifteen

997
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: before your team goes down twenty.

998
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: It seems like he comes out and uh, he looks

999
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 1: for those other guys to kind of get them going. Yes, him,

1000
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: like he has to understand he is him, you know,

1001
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: like he has to come out, set the tone, set

1002
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: the pace in which they want to play, to be aggressive, because,

1003
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: like you say, they won game one, so they did

1004
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: kind of seem a little like, Okay, we don't feel

1005
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: a little faster scene content. Yeah, they seem a little content.

1006
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 1: So I expect the different paces team to show.

1007
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: Up in Game three.

1008
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: Guys being at home, playing in front of their own

1009
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: crowd a lot more confidence. These guys will probably play

1010
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 1: at a much faster place. They only had what nine

1011
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: fast break points to night. They ain't gonna get it

1012
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 1: for them to win. We know they've been a great

1013
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: fast break team the entire season. Yeah, it's gonna be

1014
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: hard to be Okay, see at a half court sent

1015
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: they got too many, they got too many great defenders,

1016
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: they got their hands are too good, Shaye. Look, Shae

1017
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: had what for force steels the night Shae had.

1018
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: For steels the night.

1019
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: Points. But people you talking about this, they got remember

1020
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: coming through high school.

1021
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: They got the one kid that don't do nothing but

1022
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: run around with you. He shots.

1023
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: They got door out there, boy, door out there. He

1024
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 1: is shadow with these boys right now. And I think

1025
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: people don't talk a lot about him. He's all defensive,

1026
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: defensive team, first team. Yeah, that is major. When you

1027
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: can take somebody and say, look, he ain't playing to

1028
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: night right right, you run around with him, and that

1029
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: is to me, and that does I feel like that

1030
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: does have a little bit of an impact on what

1031
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: we see with Tyres Halliburton early.

1032
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: Right.

1033
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: They're not letting them get a rhythm. They're not letting

1034
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: him get to his spots. They say, Okay, y'all gonna

1035
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: play four on four while me and you over here,

1036
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: you know, run around.

1037
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: Hey, may I agree?

1038
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: I agree with you, And I love lou Dork for

1039
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: that because his game isn't predicated off making shots or scoring.

1040
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: You know, that's the plus if he's giving you that.

1041
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: But he's in there strictly to be disruptive, to be

1042
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: a pass defensively and take out your best player ultimately him,

1043
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: him and Wallace. That's why they're in the starting lineup.

1044
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: They not necess saying that now if they explode for

1045
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty points. Okay, we're gonna pat him on

1046
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: their back. It's gonna be hard to beat them if

1047
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: they playing like that. But they're both from there for

1048
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: defensive purposes, and they've been doing their job, especially the

1049
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: night yep, this is what Isaiah said. Rick Carliles has

1050
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: been a coach for the past twenty three years. He

1051
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: could be the right man to elevate Halliburton's game and

1052
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: the Pacers to a championship caliber team. Isaiah Thomas said,

1053
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: you went to an NBA finals, but you didn't win

1054
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: a championship until you met Phil Jackson.

1055
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: Zeke told shack tonight.

1056
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant didn't become Kobe until Phil Jackson got there.

1057
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: Jordan didn't win until Phil Jackson got there.

1058
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: You got a coach in this series by the name

1059
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: of Rick Carlile, sixty five years old, and we saw

1060
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: him the other night run triple stagger, and none of

1061
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: these OKC players had seen that before.

1062
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,240
Speaker 2: Rick Carlile is bringing some old school stuff.

1063
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: This is a different style of style of basketball that

1064
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: OKC ain't used to playing against. Well, you have to

1065
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: have come out with something else, because I don't know

1066
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: what he read tonight, but they ate that up. I

1067
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: don't know what that was, Joe, but okay, see, okay

1068
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: see was.

1069
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: Ready for that.

1070
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had to they I mean they at home,

1071
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: best team in the league, they lost Game one. They

1072
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: had no choice but to come out and play desperate

1073
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: like they did tonight. But I look, I'm not putting

1074
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: them past the Pacers. Man. They've shown, they've shown up

1075
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: and proven to me this whole entire postseason that when

1076
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: you count them out, them boys are gonna bounce back

1077
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: and they give you a great game. So the Pacers

1078
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: are still in control, guys. You know, you just got

1079
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: to protake a home.

1080
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 2: Court, you guys.

1081
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: I had a chance to play for Red Carl out

1082
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: on Indy, right, and so I know the love of

1083
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: coach he is. I remember being in the huddle sometimes

1084
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: and he was just after the firking to get the

1085
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: two horns. The first horn come and he's just sitting

1086
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: there looking And as soon as he had that first horn,

1087
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: he starts to draw up sets right that we typically

1088
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, like in game situations.

1089
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: Right. And that's the type of coach he is. You know,

1090
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: he's a savant.

1091
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: He's a basketball savann and That's why I'm picking and

1092
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: willing to put away on the Pacers in game three.

1093
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 2: Damn, I'm Yoe. What you're trying to do, Joe?

1094
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: What we're doing?

1095
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: Jail? Little Friendly?

1096
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: Bet Hey learn? Let me tell y'all something. And it's

1097
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: kind of conflicted for me because General Parko, my I'm

1098
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 1: talking about my best friend, one of my best friends.

1099
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: He's an assistant coach for the Pacers. So I'm and then

1100
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, I got some former razorbacks playing for the

1101
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: thunder South.

1102
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: Conflicted.

1103
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: But if you want to put a little something on

1104
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: the Jayo, you know, little Friendly, nobody had ever complicted

1105
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: by money. You notice that, Joe, Hey, you noticed about jail.

1106
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: Nobody ever complicted by money on Yo. Ain't no conflict,

1107
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: no conflict at all about that. What you gonna do

1108
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: about it?

1109
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you know what I'm saying.

1110
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: Whatever we're gonna do.

1111
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: But we both got zel.

1112
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. The cashe ain't something. Look,

1113
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 1: it ain't gotta beat nothing to make it nervous, Jayo,

1114
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,479
Speaker 1: just a little light hunted or two. We ain't gotta

1115
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: act like that.

1116
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: Now they got damna, They got damna.

1117
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: Joe. I feel good, about the Pacers, bro, I would

1118
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: do you yeah, you feel good about them going home

1119
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: playing in front of their home craw Absolutely. I ain't

1120
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: gonna lie do too, but I just think I think, Okay, see, man,

1121
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 1: they've been great on the road, fellas, they've been great

1122
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: on they going home gets over that country kitchen, Jay, Oh,

1123
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna get some of you know, neckbone and fine.

1124
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: Can't fish the wings that maca cheefe? Hey, jay, O

1125
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: know Jo, you know you can? You do have Some

1126
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: teams do have a tendency to kind of let their

1127
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: guards down when they get home. Know, they sleep in

1128
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: their own bed, you know, they get they relaxed a

1129
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 1: little bit. They got you got fifteen twenty people coming

1130
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: in town because they want to see the finals. So

1131
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: now you got to entertain and oh no, next thing,

1132
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, next thing? You know? Hey, you tied?

1133
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 2: How much? How much? How much? How much NBA Finals

1134
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: tickets costs? Oh?

1135
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: Man, listen, I was checking the daycause I will take

1136
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: my son like second and third rows fifty six hundred

1137
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: per ticket?

1138
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 3: Hey oh the type of the only the only fifty

1139
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: six I know is Lawrence Taylor.

1140
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: That's about it.

1141
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: Hey, Hey, by them super Bowl tickets beat they Hey

1142
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: they head cracking. Now, man, them su bow tickets be

1143
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: going fifteen, twenty thirty, forty fifty five. Hey, look you

1144
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: gotta look at the money these dudes making. Now, yeah,

1145
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: well that's one game, right you talking about what i'd

1146
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: like to like? The front Road the floor seats was

1147
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: almost twelve thousand per se. But but jayo, think about

1148
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: how high you up? How high you in the stadium?

1149
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: At least at least you could yell something. They can

1150
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: hear you. You so high, I'm paying four fives and

1151
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: five six thousand dollars. Ain't nobody hear you? But du next,

1152
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: don't you just man stop on the damn yelling the

1153
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: thing man and check this out. Let me do what

1154
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: y'all think about this. The Knicks are reportedly preparing to

1155
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: make a tsunami type offer to a Quai Yannis from

1156
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,959
Speaker 1: the Buck. Y'all who's sports are reporting the New York

1157
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: uh Nick would receive you honest, Milwaukee would give them.

1158
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: Called Anthony Towns Tyler Colic Washington's twenty twenty six protected

1159
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: first round draft pick, two first round pick swaps twenty

1160
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: six and twenty thirty.

1161
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: Nah, hell nah dagn enough who how about sue no me?

1162
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: Who's the second? That ain't even damn brain drop? Listen, holo, holo,

1163
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 1: let me read that again, because baby, it's beat jay

1164
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 1: I will get you a Joe.

1165
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: What y'all thinking about this? Okay?

1166
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: The Knicks will get Yannis and in return, Milwaukee would

1167
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: get called Anthony Towns Tyler Colic Washington's twenty twenty six

1168
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: protected first round pick, a first round picks and two

1169
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: pick swaps in twenty six and thirty. That ain't no

1170
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 1: so su su nami?

1171
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: Look, no disrespect, but who was the second? Dude? You said,

1172
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: I don't even know who that is?

1173
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: I don't know hey nah no no no no, no,

1174
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: no no, I don't know who that is? Jayo, what

1175
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: what they doing there? Soon? Now? They ain't no sue noami?

1176
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: But or listen, if the Knicks pull that off, we.

1177
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 2: Yig, I mean you ain't gonna hap them.

1178
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 1: That's a tough one, man, because right now, any mega

1179
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: trade you gotta give up, you gotta give up some core,

1180
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: right yeah, we gotta make sure one of the things

1181
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: I think is unvalued is the other the other players

1182
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: right to support system. Right, you start piling out a

1183
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: way to go get a mega player. Then then you

1184
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: know you're gonna be in probably the same place or worse.

1185
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: You know, by the time the mecca players get there.

1186
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: So I didn't listening to that deal.

1187
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything that will bring value back to Milwaukee, right, No,

1188
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: So I mean, so you're gonna another word I don't

1189
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: give you. That's not a tsunami, that's ribaly.

1190
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 2: Hey, So let me get this right.

1191
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you Yanni's and I ain't gonna get

1192
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna try to get Michael Bridges.

1193
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna try to get o g Anoby.

1194
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna try to get none of them, because

1195
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: you gonna give him a championship. If you give him,

1196
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be in the Eastern Conference finals for shure.

1197
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: Think about it. You think about so. Now you've got

1198
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: a defensive team with y'all as that can protect you.

1199
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: Got Josh Hart that can defend O g that can

1200
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: defend Michel Bridges, that man, stop it. Whoever proposed this trade,

1201
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: y'all be hey, that's not even a tsunoma.

1202
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 2: That's not even a ripper. That won't But you know

1203
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: that's not happening.

1204
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 3: That was That was just to create a distraction, you know,

1205
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 3: to let you know, so what's going on behind the

1206
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: scenes can go under the radar.

1207
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: That's all that was.

1208
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: But I give credit they put hey, we're gonna get

1209
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: y'all cat. They put the head like cat first, and

1210
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I'm like, hold on, Tyler Kolek,

1211
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: who is he? I protected? No that twenty twenty six.

1212
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: He needs to be unprotected. Man. Yeah, I don't understand that.

1213
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: If you're gonna if you're gonna make a trade like that.

1214
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: Was it the coach or is it the rosteruse it both.

1215
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: I think the thing is when they want when they

1216
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: beat the Celtics, now because you get what you call

1217
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: expectations of jail. Because so now you beat the Celtics,

1218
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: everybody said, b man, they're gonna they're gonna they're gonna

1219
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: run through the pacers. And they was supposed to be

1220
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: in the NBA finals and when it didn't happen, Hey, love, listen,

1221
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: if the niggas get Yannis man, they can put me ahead. Coach,

1222
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: I promise you, we're gonna win some games. Hear me,

1223
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it. We're gonna make it to these

1224
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: conference finals for sure. You get Yanni's playing with all

1225
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: them the other dudes, and you only giving up Cat

1226
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: and the other dudes you talking about. I'm fine, I

1227
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: don't even know who that is. But boy, listen, it

1228
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: ain't gonna take much. I definitely think there are other

1229
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: teams that have more, could give up more. Hell go

1230
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: to Houston and ask, Okay, give me Shoan Gooon, give

1231
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: me Jalen Green, give me two a couple of But

1232
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: now that's better than Cat and this other cat. I mean,

1233
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: come on, Jay, get I mean, bro, even swamp ain't

1234
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: no swindle. I feel you trying to swindle me. Hey listen,

1235
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: but what about this? What if what if Johannis don't

1236
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: want to go out west? What if you want to

1237
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: stay in the East because the East will be a

1238
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: lot smoother firstus the west. He said he wanted to

1239
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: what's being reported. He wanted to go somewhere where they

1240
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: don't have any state taxes. Texas doesn't have state tax,

1241
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: Florida doesn't have state tax. Hey, there you go. I

1242
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: think Tennessee doesn't have state tax. You go to New York,

1243
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: Ohio doesn't have state Ohio have state tax was.

1244
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 2: One of the worst New York and l a to

1245
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 2: the worst.

1246
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're already listen, you already told you where he

1247
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 3: wanted to go.

1248
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: Uncle. You got to do is read between the lines,

1249
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 2: that's all. But I mean the.

1250
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: Question then is, you know you kind of look at

1251
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: the Lakers right right, the Lakers is they made the

1252
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: beach you know, make the Beach trade and just you

1253
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: know Anthony Davis basically for uh Luca. But they're making

1254
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: so much money between the two, you don't have enough

1255
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: money to construct the team at you need to write

1256
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 1: and so you know the Apron the new tax Apron

1257
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: deal just kicked in this year.

1258
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 2: Oh, your team's a little bit more bootstrap.

1259
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: So the question is where wherever Y'allnis goes, wherever he lands,

1260
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: do they have enough given away whatever you have to

1261
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: give away to compete for the championship. Absolutely well, if

1262
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: they're only giving up Cat and Colic, that's who all

1263
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: your screen. You see the guy that's Tyler Kolik on

1264
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: the screen right there, that ain't having any coach. Man,

1265
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: ain't no way y'all just sitting meet Cat and this cat.

1266
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 2: No, I ain't going but Tyler, Tyler nice with it.

1267
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: Tyler got some game. Oh here he go.

1268
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 1: That man, don't know where that is talent?

1269
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: You know you don't o Joe.

1270
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: But but Jao, if all you've given up and cat

1271
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: in this gentlemen that you see on the screen they loaded,

1272
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: This is a lie.

1273
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: There's no way they're doing that, brou They just they

1274
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: just talking. Brother.

1275
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: They try to get some tweets and you know there's

1276
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: some lights and some refolds. There's no way they do.

1277
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: Now you have to give up. You go, you gonna

1278
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: lose o g or Michel Bridges. You're gonna lose one

1279
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: of them. But then that's that's kind of defeating the purpose.

1280
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: If you're Jannis right, if I'm going to New York, man,

1281
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: I at least want to keep one of them, dudes,

1282
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: if you're gonna get yeah, you keep one of them,

1283
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: but you ain't keeping both of us. Okay, I can

1284
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: see that. But you can't take both of them because

1285
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: now you take our grid and grind away and everything

1286
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: is left up the Jianna said, and brustling to do

1287
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: out of dirty work. Hey, you could have one, but

1288
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 1: I ain't letting you keep both of them.

1289
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: So what what is it? Which one.

1290
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: Which one you want jail, you want O G H,

1291
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: you want Michel Bridges, But I'm getting one of them.

1292
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm getting away with Michel Bridges. Okay, I think O

1293
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: G O G just does he does a lot more.

1294
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he does a lot more offensive indefensively.

1295
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: But I don't know. Crazy, I like kat, I like him.

1296
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: Do rethink Janni's and Brunson can play together because Brunson

1297
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: is a ball They so much alike. They both need

1298
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: the ball a lot, So I don't know. If you

1299
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: make that you give, I don't know. I mean it

1300
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: don't look good because both of them usage Drake, what

1301
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: is what is brustl usage?

1302
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: Drake?

1303
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: What's Gianni's usage rate? Because both of those got to

1304
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: have the ball in order for them to function. I

1305
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: don't think either guy is really good without the ball.

1306
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, is not great without the ball.

1307
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: He's he's most effective when you know he has a

1308
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: ball in his hand coming downhill, whether it's off a

1309
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: rebound or what have you. But making plays, spreading out

1310
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: the guys for threes and getting to the basket, putting

1311
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: pressure on the rim, that's when he's at his best. Yeah,

1312
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: Jannis was first of usage with thirty five, bruntly with

1313
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: thirteenth at twenty nine. Yeah, so you got two guys

1314
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: with high usage. And I don't think what brunting and

1315
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: and and Yanna. I don't think brunsing is that good

1316
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: without the ball now he's he's not that great, but

1317
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: he can play without it. On like he catching shoot

1318
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: as opposed to Janni's. He's not a catching shoot person

1319
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: at all. So if you running a pick and roll,

1320
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: he ain't a shoot person, damn catching the shooting. He

1321
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: ain't a shoe person. He lay up a layup and

1322
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: don't type person. Right, So listen, if you running a

1323
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: pick and roll with Jannison buruntsing, that don't scare me

1324
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: versus you know, Cat and brunts in because Cat can

1325
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 1: picking pop picking pop. So the big Yanna Saint picking

1326
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: pie poppy ish, Yeah, he ain't. So the big on

1327
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: always stay low and let Yanna shoot that jumper all

1328
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: day long.

1329
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: All day long. That's why I don't like. I don't like.

1330
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: I don't like them trading Cat though, because at least

1331
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: Cat mean, I get it. He doesn't defend as well,

1332
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: but he's different from anything else that they have, right,

1333
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: And if He really really looked in the mirror and said, look,

1334
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: every time I take my ass to that box, I'm

1335
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: working them right right every time he just works on

1336
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: the then he just go back out to the three

1337
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: point line and stand on the three point line. If

1338
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: he really just get to that dominant form, man, he

1339
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: could be everything to Knicks me obviously adding a couple

1340
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: more pieces here in there.

1341
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 2: But I like I like Cat with the Knicks. I

1342
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: don't like Gianni's with the Knicks.

1343
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: I like Cat to JL, but it's less resistance out

1344
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: there on the perimeter form versus if he in that paint.

1345
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: It's just this a doggy dog world. Know, it's great grind,

1346
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's a lot. They're bumping

1347
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: the grind down there. He ain't want that, He wouldn't

1348
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: looking for it. You gotta be you gotta be in

1349
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: some least shape to be able to, you know, take

1350
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: that bumping grind night in and night out. And I

1351
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: think that's why he always drifts back out to the

1352
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: three because, like you say, not, it ain't gonna be

1353
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: no resistance out there. Like it's you know, guys, he

1354
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: could just sit out there and just kind of shoot jumpers.

1355
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: But Joe, let me ask you a question though. I mean,

1356
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm sitting trying to think who the hell outside of him?

1357
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 2: And be the hell down there? Yo, she ain't better.

1358
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: We're just talking about it ain't about yes, yeah, it ain't.

1359
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: But like four or five a week, if kat is

1360
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: Joel embiid uh is yo kic if Shung Goon Rudy Gobert.

1361
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: But and he ain't really post him, right, he really

1362
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: knows that, right, bonus or you take some bonus. Yeah,

1363
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: So to me, it ain't it ain't the it ain't

1364
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: the it ain't the grinding the post. To me, it

1365
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: got to be his condition and how in shape he is, absolutely,

1366
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, and I are you know every every night

1367
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: it is a power for right, you know down there

1368
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: you spin off one, there's another one there, right they

1369
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: talking about the two bigs from tonight.

1370
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 2: That was normal. Yeah.

1371
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: But so now when I look at it, he typically

1372
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: when he's playing that post, he's bigger than everybody.

1373
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe the exception three or four of the people

1374
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 2: in the lead. He got the skills to score down there.

1375
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,479
Speaker 1: So to me, I think he got in a little

1376
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: bit better shape, right, to have a little bit more endurance,

1377
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: he can mix the match out, he wants to play

1378
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: his game. He'd be a lot better. But you know

1379
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: it's a hard rockster to see him get up trying

1380
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: to get him down the court at that age. You

1381
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: know what is he twenty eight now? Twenty can't probably

1382
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: that twenty nine, Yeah, he didn't.

1383
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 2: He looked like he labored. He especially in the Yeah,

1384
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:10,919
Speaker 2: ended up and down that floor.

1385
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: The volume