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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us for a very important episode

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Speaker 1: of Wisian House. All of my episodes are important, but

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Speaker 1: this is one that has a sense of urgency that

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Speaker 1: I cannot over emphasize. That is one that grips our communities,

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Speaker 1: house and unhoused, but particularly unhoused. The holidays has left

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Speaker 1: us with some tragedies, in particularly a young football player

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Speaker 1: who took his life because of his family situation of

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Speaker 1: being unhoused, and in our own community here in Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: a young lady gave up her life because being unhoused

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Speaker 1: was too much of a burden to bear. I'm Theo

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Speaker 1: Henderson and I am an unhoused resident. I created this

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Speaker 1: podcast to educate and listen to the unhoused perspective from

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Speaker 1: other unhoused people. We don't blame ridicule, finger wag or

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Speaker 1: joy to unhouse people period. We have a biased media,

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Speaker 1: violent and hostile law enforcement, and lying city officials to

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Speaker 1: do that. I also wanted to introduce you to some

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Speaker 1: guests that is very important that we all have a

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Speaker 1: stake in this particular issue, not only from housing but

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Speaker 1: from the mental health perspective. We have Merital Spriggs, who's

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Speaker 1: going to be on later on who was unhoused herself

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Speaker 1: and used her challenges and depression and stresses to create

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Speaker 1: something positive out of a challenging situation. We also have

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Speaker 1: Tondo Kaduka, a formerly unhoused woman herself who suffers from

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Speaker 1: some health challenges and how she uses her platform to

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Speaker 1: speak for the unhoused and the voiceless in this particular time.

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Speaker 1: As I go for and look forward to this time,

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Speaker 1: we are all facing amount of stress to be unhoused

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Speaker 1: as a full time job that requires constant trauma, constant

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Speaker 1: traumatic events, and right now, the traumatic events are caused

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Speaker 1: by the law enforcement and city council officials. Facing these

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Speaker 1: real threats creates traumas fresh and old. How we deal

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Speaker 1: with it is in a divergent ways. This takes six

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Speaker 1: toll on one's mental health. For some people, prolonged stress

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Speaker 1: is from trauma. And let's take a step back and

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Speaker 1: define what trauma is for this episode. Now, I went

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Speaker 1: and did some research and I found a renowned traumatologist

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Speaker 1: and he just fines trauma as any negative life event

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Speaker 1: that occurs in a position of relative helplessness. Quick question,

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Speaker 1: does the un house experienced trauma? Yes, they do. Now

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Speaker 1: here is a deeper question. Who provides those traumatic events?

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Speaker 1: Let me start off and tell you who have been

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Speaker 1: starting and has kept up this traumatic event Newi Martinez

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, January twenty twenty. She ordered hundreds of unhoused

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Speaker 1: people displaced. She lied, she claimed, and she showed pictures

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Speaker 1: her displacing and causing intense trauma for over hundreds of people,

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Speaker 1: saying that she's helping them. When I interviewed these people

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Speaker 1: that have been displaced and traumatized, they have clearly stated

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Speaker 1: no motil vouchers, there was nothing. Right now, many of

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Speaker 1: That is City Council Uri Martinez her justification for his

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Speaker 1: brutal Crule Act was they were service resistant. You go

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Speaker 1: to her meeting, she makes no qualms about her disdain

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Speaker 1: for unhoused people. She has actually pushed for law enforcement

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Speaker 1: to continue to traumatize vulnerable unhoused people. The next person

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Speaker 1: would be Bloomingfield. Bloomingfield's place, he had displaced forty people

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Speaker 1: when another sweep. The next person that was responsible is

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Speaker 1: Captain berger Ovin, Chadsworth, John Lee. They are the ones

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Speaker 1: that listen to the Republican They've listened to doctor Drew

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Speaker 1: Pinsky his hostile and hatred field and ignorant narrative on

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Speaker 1: according to Sasha Parago. Carl Mark said there was a

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Speaker 1: high rate of suicide with the street workers and when

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Speaker 1: due to being unhoused and having poverty as an issue.

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Speaker 1: Relative helplessness could be seen in the unhoused community. On Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: seventh of January, when Bloomingfield displays thirty unhoused people during

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Speaker 1: a police raid that created a neutron ratic incident. Conspman

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Speaker 1: could be heard saying using Nazi Aaron remarks when remarking

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Speaker 1: another culprit is John Lee, who is causing trauma as

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Speaker 1: we speak to the people over in Chadsworth. There's also

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Speaker 1: These key issues in this episode will continue to be

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Speaker 1: good people that are to stand up. The part of

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Speaker 1: the problem that I see and is my observation when

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Speaker 1: From my observation, the primary problem is the cozy relationships

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Speaker 1: Angeles Sanitation Department. They are in lockstep and this terrorizing

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Speaker 1: trauma induced environment. This real leaves the responsibility up to

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Speaker 1: our community. In order for us to do something about it,

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Speaker 1: we must hold them accountable because right now they are

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Speaker 1: the criminals, and we have delusion and we have allowed

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Speaker 1: as we allow these criminals to go underbated, just because

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Speaker 1: they have a badge, the gun and they use whispers

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Speaker 1: allaw abiding citizens. We need to enlist the United Nations.

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Speaker 1: We need to enlist the FBI. We need to be

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Speaker 1: hammering on their door and having them, in no uncertain

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Speaker 1: and not only that, we should have them do the

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Speaker 1: same thing for a law breaking law enforcement and civil servants.

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Speaker 1: This is unhoused news. I'm THEO Henderson reporting on the

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Speaker 1: current issues of the day. Mayor. The SPRIGGS is helping

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Speaker 1: unhouse people reintegrate with low barrier housing and other services

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Speaker 1: that only the veterans. The Veterans VOA has been willing

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Speaker 1: to step forward and make a change in a lot

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Speaker 1: of the unhoused lives. Unhouse War veteran Wayne Green took

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Speaker 1: his own life. The family states the Army did not

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Speaker 1: help him after leaving the Army. Unhouse Advocate nonprofit has

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Speaker 1: filed a fifty million dollar lawsuit against the city of

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Speaker 1: Denver for the camping ban's tickets. Los Angeles needs to

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Speaker 1: take a page out of this notebook. Nashville twenty six

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Speaker 1: shooting on the houseman Gerald Melton over where he was sleeping.

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Speaker 1: I was on House News. Good morning. This is Steo

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Speaker 1: Henderson from Street Watch Chinatown. I'm here in the studios

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Speaker 1: today with Maretive. I want to get her up, Spriggs.

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to say Springs. Spriggs. She is the

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Speaker 1: kind officer of caradot Or Industries as well as she

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Speaker 1: So without further ado, let's welcome our new guest. Hello, Meredith. Hi,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me. I want to just talk off.

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Speaker 1: Like the listeners, hear a little bit about your story.

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Speaker 1: Can you give us a little bit of who you are? Sure?

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Speaker 1: So we're actually not far from where I was born.

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Speaker 1: I was born in Pasadena, although I never lived there,

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Speaker 1: went to school, went to seminary school to be a pastor,

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Speaker 1: the week that the market crashed. So with a specialized

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a similar story to mine, Like I too,

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Speaker 1: I'm from Chicago, so we went and after Illinois. So wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: are you cubs or white Sox? I am on Cubs.

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Speaker 1: Sorry then, So here's the thing, is like, what all

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Speaker 1: have the misperception that all homeless want to be homeless A,

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Speaker 1: as many different reasons for people being homeless as there

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Speaker 1: housed people that society believes that are the worthy on

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Speaker 1: we're doing is we're doing a garden project. So it's

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Speaker 1: VESTS is housing them, and it's a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: It's low barriers. Back to what you said about you know,

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Speaker 1: people just need help meeting them where they're at. So

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Speaker 1: it's really hard. Don't tell my team this, but it's

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Speaker 1: really hard to get fired. I mean, stuff happens and

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Speaker 1: know there's going to be hiccups. So like we had

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Speaker 1: it's it's a different, different approach, but I'm excited that

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Speaker 1: I have to say, you know, one of the things

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Speaker 1: that I noticed, like, for example, there are eight different

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Speaker 1: type of agencies and I want to get your perspective

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Speaker 1: on do you are you pro shelters or are you

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Speaker 1: pro a diverse approach. I for me, shelters didn't work

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Speaker 1: for me, and I had to use another approach. I'm

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Speaker 1: working on my housing as we speak, but I found

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Speaker 1: shelters to be counter productive. But I wanted to see

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Speaker 1: Maybe it happened in the fifties and sixties, but it

430
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: doesn't happen now because times have changed, things have gone up,

431
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: stressors are everywhere, and so which ties into the next

432
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: question is that what would you tell a person that

433
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,239
Speaker 1: has not really much of an experience of being an

434
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 1: housed how would they what would you recommend if they

435
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: just they found themselves the first night being in the house,

436
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: what would you suggest? Baby wipes, a hand sanitizer, No.

437
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,239
Speaker 1: Two things to live by. Now, try to find out

438
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: where your local church feeding is if you have ID.

439
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's it's like you've already like overcome

440
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: like half the obstacles on the street and the hurdles

441
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: to get anything. Sign up for food stamps if you

442
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,479
Speaker 1: have ID, because that's going to be great and a

443
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: life support for you on the streets. But yeah, find

444
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: out where those resources are within your walking distance to

445
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: one one if you can call out on a phone.

446
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: Two one one is the number you can call to

447
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: get the homeless resources and then see if there's an

448
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 1: outreach agency nearby you. But yeah, I would even tread lightly.

449
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: Not that all unhoused people are scoundrels, but I definitely

450
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: had some people that I trusted on the streets that

451
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: took my stuff. So just you know, tread lightly with

452
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: who you trust and just be smart, be smart. And

453
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: then also, oh, sidewalks are safe. You can be on

454
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: the sidewalk, but don't go don't go in the streets

455
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: because that will get your ticket. Oh, which brings up

456
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: another question, because sidewalks are safe. But let's say, for example,

457
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: that you have and you're in a neighborhood that have

458
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: a business improvement district or neighborhood watch groups that have

459
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: like lately, particularly in Los Angeles, there has been an

460
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: uptick of support between the Los Angeles Police Department. For example,

461
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: council member Guilsiedeo has approved the vigilante attacks of George

462
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: you who years ago had put a stick and it

463
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: had a dog or made a campaign to get me

464
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: arrested and things of that nature here and drumming up

465
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: community to support to eject me from the park and

466
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 1: things of that nature. What do you say about what

467
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: would an an house person needs to be aware of

468
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: and how would you suggest them to be alert when

469
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: you see these business improvement because they are obviously not

470
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: our friends so well, and I think I would say

471
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: because I work with the businesses too in Las Vegas

472
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: and we lockhorns often. But I think it's uninformed activism too.

473
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: They've dehumanized, you know, people that are housing challenged, and

474
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: that's part of the problem. But I think, really, just

475
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: don't make a mess, don't be a jerk. If somebody

476
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: asked you to leave, leave nicely, don't try to fight

477
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: and be a hero, but also get to know maybe

478
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: those players and just be polite and be friendly. And

479
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: it may or may not work, you know, even Jesus

480
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: didn't win them all. Indeed, Well, I was one of

481
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: those rebels because I stayed. And what I had my

482
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: experience was I had an advantage. I have a little

483
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: bit more privileged. I'm very educated, and I knew that

484
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: I had constitutional rights, and I knew to connect with

485
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: resources to help become a community buy in because this

486
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: was my community before I became unhoused. So if you

487
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: become unhoused in the community you were in, it would

488
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: be a good idea to connect with the resources in

489
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: your community first and then have build a buy in.

490
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: So if something happens to you or someone the bids

491
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: or some crazy resident attacks or starts some rumors, whatever,

492
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: do you support you and keep an eye on them

493
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: and start to investigate them. That changes things too. That's

494
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: my suggestion. Always be neat if you can pick up

495
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: your track. And also one of the things I also

496
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: wanted to ask if you a question is what would

497
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: you put if you had a billboard, what would you

498
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: put on there for society to understand about on house people?

499
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: Oh that's tough. I mean right now, it's just in

500
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: my head because I've been we're literally fighting the city

501
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: of Las Vegas is trying to pass an ordinance that

502
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: would ban homeost from sitting, standing, or sleeping on sidewalks.

503
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: It'd be a thousand dollars fine and up to four

504
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: months jail time. So I just keep thinking housing not handcuffs,

505
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: or housing works or maybe housing is it right I

506
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: think would be good? Or housing saved lives. Oh man,

507
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: that was a whole bunch. I'm going to have a

508
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: really worthy billboard that nobody's going to read. What do

509
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: you say to the residents that out here that are

510
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: against on house people in their communities that are trying

511
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: to push them away and saying that housing isn't a right,

512
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: it's a privilege. I've worked hard all my life, and

513
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: you know these people are just some lazy scoundrels or

514
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: bums or hobos or whatever. How would you be able

515
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: to try to change the course of that conversation. I

516
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: think first, I like to use stats and facts because

517
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,239
Speaker 1: that speaks to people that aren't emotional and attached to

518
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: the to the homeless outside. But I think first addressing

519
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: the cost, the cost of homelessness what they're currently doing,

520
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: and most communities, which is the enforcement. It's a really

521
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: expensive solution, and the taxpayers are paying for that. I

522
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: don't think people realize that. So if you add up

523
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: the jail time, the cleanup time, all the tickets at

524
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: the court like and now I can only speak to

525
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. I forget what the cost study is for here,

526
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: but it's fifty thousand dollars for someone to be homeless

527
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: versus twenty twenty two thousand dollars to house them indoors

528
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: with case management. And that's already being paid for. Because

529
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, you think about you're paying for the police.

530
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: You're paying for the vehicles that they're driving. You're paying

531
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: for the cleanup if they use a solution to clean

532
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: up anything. If people go to jail, that costs. If

533
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: they go before a judge, there's a cost associated with that.

534
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: Plus if they're in jail, all the things that are

535
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: associated with that, whether it be their food, their clothing, everything,

536
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: that's all a cost that your pain is a tax payer,

537
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: and I think that is what is such a shame.

538
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: People don't realize this. They think get them gone and

539
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: use enforcement, but it's no, that's actually an expensive solution.

540
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: If it was done the right way, it would actually

541
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: cost the community less and you'd see results. I have

542
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: a question for a couple of my other unhousaliens that

543
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: offer from domestic violence. Are there any resources in a

544
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, Las Vegas that can be helped for our

545
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: house viewers there, our listeners there. Yeah, we have the

546
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: shade trees are big one, and then we have safeness

547
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: So those are for women. And unfortunately we do a

548
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: horrible job. And it's not just us, this is a

549
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: nationwide things. I work with all the federal partners. We

550
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: don't do a good job of men or LGBTQ couples.

551
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: So that's what we have for women. But yeah, we're

552
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: really at a loss. If you're a man or an

553
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: LGBTQ relationship fleeing domestic violence, there's nothing for you, and

554
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: that is really just a shame. I'm glad you're pointing

555
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: it out. That was going to be my next thing

556
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: I go say I have for our transgender and our

557
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: because I know one of our transgender guests had issues

558
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: in shelters and I was wondering what could some things

559
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: could be done to help them. For the listeners that

560
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: want to really revolutionize the shelter procedures and the exact name, well,

561
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: I get to brag on our partners at the Salvation Army.

562
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: We have the only Salvation Army trans dorm. So yay

563
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: for being so progressive as Salvation Army because they are

564
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: a Christian organization. But I love that and they saw

565
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: the need for it and they did it, and so

566
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty cool and I wish more shelters

567
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: would do that because what I have found and I

568
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: have friends that I just think the world of and

569
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: the trans community, but they often get discriminated for jobs

570
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: and sometimes even within the LGBT community. They get discriminated,

571
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: you know, and shunned, and so it is a hard

572
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: road and they might have been cut off from family.

573
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: If they're lucky, they will have family support them, but

574
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: they might not have anybody, And so we really really

575
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: need to step up and do better for a trans community.

576
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: What would do? What are the resources in Las Vegas

577
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: for people Let's say, for example, this is their first

578
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: time me in house and they need some help, some

579
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: direction that may not necessarily be they are not disabled

580
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: or they're not not in the situations that I just described,

581
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: I would say if they can there's a couple of agencies.

582
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: There's Help Us in the Nevada that's fantastic, and they're

583
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: out on the streets so they have teams that go

584
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: out and stuff, so it's easy to find them and

585
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: they can direct you. They're out a street outreach. And

586
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: then there's also any of the Clark County Social Service

587
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: offices and they are all over the place in the

588
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: valley and if you can get in there, they'll do

589
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: a housing assessment, they'll help you get to resources. But

590
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: then there's also down by where the shelters are. It's

591
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: called the Care Complex and there's all the shelters are

592
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: kind of right next to each other in downtown Las Vegas.

593
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: But the care complex is open every day but Sunday.

594
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: But there are just there. They let people have their

595
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: mail get sent there, all sorts of good resources. I

596
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: love them because they just make anything. They make stuff happen.

597
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: They're good private funding. That's great. So here's another one

598
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: I have because I want to trying to put the saving.

599
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: What can happen here we can do as well as

600
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. I met a couple. I met a

601
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: gentleman who has a wife who suffers from some challenges

602
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: in mental health, and I was wondering, if that is

603
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: the situation in Las Vegas, what resources are out there

604
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 1: for them. Well, we have. It's we're different in Nevada

605
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: versus California. It's actually as horrible as mental health care

606
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: is here. It's worse in Nevada, if that's possible, because

607
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: it's still state run. Back in the eighties, you know,

608
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: everybody they went back to the county. Ours didn't, so

609
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: it's still state run. So it's okay, but it's not

610
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: the best. But we do have Southern Nevada Adult Mental

611
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 1: Health and they have resources, and they have funding for housing,

612
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: and they have excellent case managers. So I would tell

613
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: somebody if they're struggling with that, get over there and

614
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: they can help you and point in the right direction.

615
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: And if you have insurance, they even help you get

616
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: to who's covered by your insurance. So they're wonderful, Which

617
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: brings another question, who are the greatest who are the

618
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: best supporters in Nevada Las Vegas. Yeah, to help run

619
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: the house people? Which ones would you like to give

620
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: a shout out to so people can either donate or

621
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: help amplify some of the services. Because it's such a

622
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: big thing that's going on around the country. Which ones

623
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: would you pick out? There's so many good ones that

624
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: I mean that, but there's one that I well, obviously

625
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: us FATS because they're a partner in the garden. But

626
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: Straight from the Streets and the Care Complex. Straight from

627
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: the Streets has been around since late eighties early nineties

628
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: and Linda Randall Ll founded it because she saw it

629
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: was until that point it was everybody sitting in their

630
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: offices waiting for the homeless to come to them. This

631
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: isn't right. We need to go out where the people

632
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: are and so she started street outreach in southern Nevada.

633
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: So she passed about four years ago and so it's

634
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: her widow that carries it on and he works full

635
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: time and so it's all volunteer run and they're amazing

636
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: and they will do literally anything it takes, so I

637
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: love them. And then also the Care Complex which I

638
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: mentioned before, they're great too. They have a center down

639
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: by the shelters on fore Master Lane, and same kind

640
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: of attitude. Anything it takes, they'll do it to get

641
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: people where they need to be to that next next step.

642
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: One other thing I mentioned I forget I have an

643
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: on housed individual that is immigrant, but it doesn't have

644
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Speaker 1: all of his papers. And I want I know that

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Speaker 1: this is going on in Las Vegas too, and I

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Speaker 1: want to include as many as my community members and

647
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Speaker 1: my friends as possible. So this is for you. You

648
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Speaker 1: know who you are. I don't want to say your name,

649
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Speaker 1: but this is here's the question. Resources for those populations

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Speaker 1: that in a fear, that are working, but they are

651
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Speaker 1: afraid that at any moment that Donald Trump's Ice custom

652
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Speaker 1: team will come and sweep them up. What would you suggest?

653
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Speaker 1: So that's actually an Obama administration left or I don't

654
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Speaker 1: know if you're aware of that law and that crazy

655
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Speaker 1: stuff that's actually Obama. But yeah, so HUD has said,

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Speaker 1: which is housing in urban development has said that you

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Speaker 1: can house people and there are loopholes, and so housing

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Speaker 1: agencies will know how to work through those. But also

659
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Speaker 1: I wish, yeah, I don't have one on me, but

660
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Speaker 1: there are these cards and basically if ice does come

661
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Speaker 1: to your door, you don't have to open the door.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to let them in. They have to

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Speaker 1: have a search. One. I think people get scared and

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Speaker 1: they don't know that. So that's another good thing to

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Speaker 1: know is that you don't have to open your door

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Speaker 1: if they come. But also that if you do need help,

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Speaker 1: there are loopholes. The agencies can get around them to

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Speaker 1: help you. Okay, that's going for people that have houses,

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Speaker 1: but what if they are in house? Oh okay, because

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Speaker 1: you don't yes, right, Okay, because I'm going to say

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Speaker 1: because as well, you're correct that Obama did do that,

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00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: but who really pushed for it was unfortunately but particularly

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Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles. Uh, they have been around so

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Speaker 1: and Trump is now extolling it. And so what I

675
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Speaker 1: wanted to actually tie up and say is if you

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Speaker 1: have any challenges in Las Vegas or anywhere else, please

677
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: keep abreast of our station here. We keep things, uh

678
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Speaker 1: keep you. We're trying to keep you informed and trying

679
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Speaker 1: to find the best solutions for you to be safe,

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Speaker 1: to find some housing as well as to navigate out

681
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: here because it's very different. But I've noticed to live

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Speaker 1: in the house that live on the street, because there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of things that very very different. And is

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Speaker 1: there also very different if you live in a car

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Speaker 1: because those are other dimensions, or if you have from

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Speaker 1: the lgb q t I index of the community as well,

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Speaker 1: and if there is anything else you want to add, No,

688
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Speaker 1: just that every city is really different. So definitely to

689
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Speaker 1: reiterate with you said to get connection to the local

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Speaker 1: resources I think is well advised. Yeah. Is there anything

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Speaker 1: people can do to donate to your your agency? Yep.

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Speaker 1: You can find us online d C A r I

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Speaker 1: d A D charity the word charity spelled out dot

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Speaker 1: com or we're Caridad LV for Las Vegas on Facebook

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Speaker 1: and Instagram. Thank you very much, Meredith, you came all

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Speaker 1: the way from Las Vegas, come to take some time

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Speaker 1: to spend with us. Travel all day to get to you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listing, and may we again meet

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Speaker 1: in the light of understanding We The Unhouse is a

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Speaker 1: podcast we record every week. We interview people from different

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Speaker 1: places and we use our resources in order for it

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Speaker 1: to make it happen. And up to now we have

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Speaker 1: been depleting all types of energy, time and patience to

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Speaker 1: give you a quality product. Now you will not hear

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Speaker 1: our recordings in a live, quiet studio, but what you

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Speaker 1: will hear is where we meet the clients or the

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Speaker 1: listeners and the guests after these places where they are.

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Speaker 1: In order for us to continue, we're going to need

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Speaker 1: some help for a lot of things like a new phone.

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Speaker 1: My phone is dying, my computer, I have none different

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Speaker 1: other equipment in order for us to start a new

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Speaker 1: project where we will have we the young housed or

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Speaker 1: people that are want to share their stories visually, and

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Speaker 1: then we're going to have a podcast for Wedian How's

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Speaker 1: for children? So in order for this to happen, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna need a lot of help from our listeners and

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Speaker 1: for people that are interested in doing something for their community.

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Speaker 1: And after this, if you would like to contribute to

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Speaker 1: this campaign, you can contact WI and how's on Twitter?

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Speaker 1: That's my thing where I have a PayPal link and

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Speaker 1: you can link it there and you can make any

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Speaker 1: donation from two dollars to five or however you feel.

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Speaker 1: But it's really appreciated. Right now, I'm walking across the

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Speaker 1: street from the park to interview a couple of more

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Speaker 1: unhoused people and find out their situation and how they

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Speaker 1: feel about the sweat sweep. What's your name, sir, well Terrence?

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Speaker 1: What what happened yesterday? It was a park ranger clean up?

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Speaker 1: Apparently they wanted to clean up this part of the

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Speaker 1: part that we live in. And I guess the cleanup

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Speaker 1: was us leaving that area. Was it supposed to be

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Speaker 1: today or yesterday? Or it was supposed to be today? No, yesterday? Okay,

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Speaker 1: so on the fours because but it rained, but they

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Speaker 1: came and everything. So what amount of time did they

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Speaker 1: give you to move? We weren't here. No, they didn't

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Speaker 1: give us any time. So what happened was they were

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Speaker 1: supposed to come tomorrow on that spare, but it rained,

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Speaker 1: and that's an act of God. What didn't happen was

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Speaker 1: the secondary notice of what that what we should do?

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Speaker 1: So under normal assumptions, we assumed, all right, we'll just

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Speaker 1: live our life. We go to the church to collect something, right,

741
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Speaker 1: it was a free giveaway during the church had and

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Speaker 1: it spent on the week books on the weeks. Right.

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Speaker 1: So we go there, come back all of our stuff's missing.

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Speaker 1: We're not all a lot of it, it's missing and

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Speaker 1: these things and yet no notice, no nothing. This angers

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Speaker 1: me because I too, I'm away near the alpine park

747
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Speaker 1: and the fact that I've had this very same thing

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Speaker 1: happened to me. This really ticks me off. But I

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Speaker 1: truly understand. I've had to move my things and they

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Speaker 1: never cleaned. They kept it there just to keep me

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Speaker 1: out like any other unhoused person. They didn't even clean.

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Speaker 1: They didn't even clean. This is a tactic that Mitchell

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Speaker 1: Farrell and any of the other council members do deliberately

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Speaker 1: to displaces unhoused people. I see one of another resident

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Speaker 1: that I interviewed a while ago, Bob, what do you

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Speaker 1: what happened with your stuff? Well, they broke my phone.

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Speaker 1: I have about six thousand dollars worth of brand new

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Speaker 1: clothes that are running because they threw it in the

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Speaker 1: fucking mud. They put me in handcuffs for forty five

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Speaker 1: minutes because I was gonna kill the son a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that. I can understand you upset

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Speaker 1: because I probably wouldn't just strangling myself. So I have

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Speaker 1: ten tents that they broke in half because they're no good.

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Speaker 1: People can't live in them now, and I will not

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Speaker 1: accept accept a smaller tent than what I had because

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Speaker 1: my stuff will not fit in it. My apologies for that.

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Speaker 1: So Mitchell Ferrell just stated to the public that they

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Speaker 1: don't have enough money for housing for unhoused people, but

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Speaker 1: yet somehow they found two hundred and fifty eight million

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Speaker 1: dollars for police, more police after they haven't already bloated

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Speaker 1: police budget. So where is this money going. I got

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Speaker 1: a feeling we know it's right on this police sweep

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Speaker 1: sending these kind of ridiculous raids. Thank you Bob, and

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Speaker 1: thank you Terrence, and I'm in as well. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go down and interview a few more people just

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Speaker 1: to see what their reactions to this ridiculous sweep was.

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Speaker 1: So can you give us a brief description what happened

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Speaker 1: to you? I, youth Tay, been going through the social

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Speaker 1: system for about eight months in and out. I needed

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Speaker 1: a tent. I went to go get me one. Eventually

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Speaker 1: had some money to saved up to go get attend

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Speaker 1: at least. So it was confusing to me because I

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Speaker 1: didn't know that. I mean, I thought the park was

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Speaker 1: public property. I thought that this would be somewhere where

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Speaker 1: we can go put our tents up, you know, and

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Speaker 1: didn't go find somewhere to go shower, put our stuff

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Speaker 1: that we need and our necessary needs at that moment.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't really expect people of money, people

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Speaker 1: who bring us stuff to take those stuff away, throw

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Speaker 1: it away and be the responsible of it. I just

791
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: feel like they're just picking on us at this point.

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Speaker 1: I have to share that sety bit for you. How

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Speaker 1: long have you been in house? I've been in house

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Speaker 1: for almost a year and a half. How did you

795
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Speaker 1: get to this situation? Some have illness, I have mental health.

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Speaker 1: I just have a few mental health issues that I'm

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Speaker 1: working through. I'm trying my best, but it's hard when

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Speaker 1: you get people kicking you out every five seconds because

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Speaker 1: you don't have a job, but you don't have the

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Speaker 1: means to get the income. But when you do have

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Speaker 1: gr and they say, oh, well that's enough, to come

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Speaker 1: into the shelter for thirty days or ninety days, but

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Speaker 1: that's not enough to you to get a job. That's

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Speaker 1: not enough for you to get your medication together and

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Speaker 1: make sure you're not drowsy at work, make sure you're

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Speaker 1: not upset, or make sure you're not having to deal

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Speaker 1: with everybody else's drama that you live with. Like, it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that goes on to be in

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Speaker 1: these shelters. It's not just you have a bed all

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Speaker 1: the time. Not to mention the draconian rules they have.

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Speaker 1: Every little minor thing could result of you being expelled

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Speaker 1: out of the shelter. Have you experienced that in these shelters, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of strict ruling. The last shelter or place

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Speaker 1: of being I was supposed to be in was a

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Speaker 1: program off Avalon and it was a nice shelter to

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Speaker 1: have us, you know, for curfew, But if we didn't

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Speaker 1: make it to our curfew at ten o'clock, then we

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Speaker 1: would have to be sitting outside in the cold. Basically,

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Speaker 1: So if you trying to go find a job, if

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Speaker 1: you're trying to come from way yonder to go get

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Speaker 1: plasma or whatever you're doing to go get your income.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to let you in on that day

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Speaker 1: because you didn't make it to his hand o'clock and

824
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Speaker 1: they come back, you can come back. It's just that

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00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: was that was a ruling, because I mean, I'll still

826
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Speaker 1: be outside in the cold. I'll still have nowhere to go. See,

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Speaker 1: this is the tiptoe stands that unhouse people undergo. And

828
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Speaker 1: when you hear people talking about that people don't want services.

829
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Speaker 1: This is the reality that they don't tell you about.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things what happened when you came

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Speaker 1: this morning and they found they had to move? What

832
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: was going on? I just found that I either got

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Speaker 1: to go find somewhere on the sidewalk versus a park,

834
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Speaker 1: which is like it's kind of cruel and unusual punishment

835
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Speaker 1: because it's like we can put it on the sidewalk

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Speaker 1: and we can't put it in the park. That makes

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Speaker 1: no sense to me. Which one would you rather be

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Speaker 1: if you were in my shoes, which you should rather

839
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Speaker 1: be in the park, or would you rather be on

840
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: the hard ground where you basically are hurting yourself and

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00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: damaging your own body just by want to sleep? So

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Speaker 1: I didn't get your name? What's your name? Maa Soria

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Speaker 1: Soria Soria. I wanted to ask you wanted what would

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Speaker 1: you want the audience or the viewers listeners to take

845
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: away with this in helping you? How would they best

846
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: help you? I don't know at this point. Just try

847
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Speaker 1: the best to see if we can vote for more

848
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Speaker 1: housing for you know, youth, for any homeless youth or

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Speaker 1: any homeless well I'm saying youth because I'm twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Just give us more chances to show that we can

851
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: pay for their bills and we can't get on a

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00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: program and do the program. If we would have the

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00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: freedom in order to go to our appointments and freedom

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00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 1: to do the things that we need to do and

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00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: go get a job and make sure we're in these

856
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: programs and go to school. Like if I had a

857
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Speaker 1: stable place to be, I would be back in school.

858
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: I just like I know what I wouldn't do. I

859
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: just need somewhere to be there. You have it from

860
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: the people that have experienctant instead of well dressed lawmakers

861
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: and angry residents that are living in the house and

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Speaker 1: have the affordability to sneer and thumb and nose and

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00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: punch down on the vaultable this is the reality that

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Speaker 1: unhoused people face. Thank you again for listening. Good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: This is Theil Henderson from Weezian House and in the

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Speaker 1: studios today is a fellow warrior in the war under

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Speaker 1: House and the Revolution. Her name is Tondaka, and tondo

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Speaker 1: Ka hails from I want to say central or midwest Michigan.

869
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Speaker 1: Is that in my correct way? Did I get this wrong?

870
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: So in a roundabout way and it up in uh,

871
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Speaker 1: mid Michigan. Actually was born and raised in South Africa

872
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Speaker 1: and then went to Michigan for my schooling and now

873
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Speaker 1: I live in Oakland, California. Oh excellent, So welcome to Oakland, California,

874
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: and we are calling off that book. So can you

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about a little bit about

876
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Speaker 1: yourself and how did you become involved in a little

877
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: bit into trauma here just a short statement. Oh absolutely,

878
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: absolutely So. I actually started my work in corporate very hierarchical,

879
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: very autocratic, you know, very mundane. And but now it

880
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: wasn't until I actually got sick and I realized what

881
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: the what the what the wellness strategy required that I

882
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: ended up in mental health. And through my own educational experiences,

883
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: I've learned about advocacy, Sigma discrimination reduction, attended a year

884
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Speaker 1: long training program where I learned the values of wellness

885
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: and recovery within the mental health dioramas. And so I

886
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: was able to use that experience the training program to

887
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Speaker 1: actually find work within the ELEMENTA County behavioral health fields.

888
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Speaker 1: And so now I have been at peer run community

889
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Speaker 1: based organizations for the last fifteen years. And by peer run,

890
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: I mean that the organizations themselves fifty one percent of

891
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: the organization, the board members as well as the people

892
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Speaker 1: that work there. The employees are or excuse me, have

893
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: lived experience with a mental health challenge and they are

894
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,919
Speaker 1: very vocal about that. Excellent. You know, I was from

895
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Speaker 1: the school because you know, we went through a finance.

896
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Speaker 1: I was informed only about a certain model of mental

897
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Speaker 1: health care. And like many of us, if you've gone

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Speaker 1: into higher education, which is the DSM four, you were

899
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: mentioning in our conversations earlier about trauma informed care. Can

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00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: you tell us the difference between trauma informed care and

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00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: the current model of the DSM four. What are your

902
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: thoughts on that? So the DSM is really from everything

903
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: that I've heard, it's something that is a guide it's

904
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: a tool, right. Yes, it's not necessarily to be used

905
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: to diagnose people, so to speak, but that's exactly what

906
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: happens in the field. It is definitely the biomedical model,

907
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 1: which is very much higherarcual, very much autocratic, very much

908
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: the psychiatrist or the clinician telling you what is wrong

909
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: with you and what you need to do to fix it.

910
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: And so for myself, I found that model to be

911
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: really really inflexible. I was with I think, in my

912
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: learning curve of what depression was and what it meant

913
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: and how I could take care of myself. I was

914
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: able to find the dimensions of wellness through sam stuff

915
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: and that is the Substance Abuse and Mental health But

916
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: it's that samh SA Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services.

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00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: I forget what the A stands for, but anyways, it's

918
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Speaker 1: a federal program, right and through SAMSA they have the

919
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: dimensions of wellness. One of the dimensions of wellness is

920
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: actually peer recovery model. And the peer recovery model is

921
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: exactly that it puts these strains back onto the individual

922
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Speaker 1: who is challenged with mental health condition and it says

923
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Speaker 1: you are in the driver's seat, and it is up

924
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: to you to realize you have agency, you have self determination,

925
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: you have choices. It's up to you to decide what

926
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Speaker 1: is going to work best for you and your particular challenge.

927
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Speaker 1: And so I, for obvious reasons, I fell in love

928
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: with the peer recovery model because it allowed for the

929
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: intersectionality of all of myself. It allowed for a wealth

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Speaker 1: of personal wisdom, the practical judgment, It allowed for my

931
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: leadership experience to come in, and more so than anything else,

932
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Speaker 1: it allowed me to be empowered within my treatment modality.

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Speaker 1: So and then trauma informed care, I Trauma informed care

934
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Speaker 1: is actually you is for clinicians, and I personally am

935
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Speaker 1: a huge fan of trauma informed care. In that you know,

936
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Speaker 1: I would and I would love to give you a

937
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Speaker 1: definition of traumananformed care as it stands right now, there

938
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Speaker 1: isn't one acceptable definition that is used across the board.

939
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Speaker 1: But all traumanformed care says is you know what, we

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Speaker 1: see the person first, So it's person centered care. And

941
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Speaker 1: it's also it does not look at the illness modality.

942
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: It actually looks at wellness. So what is it that

943
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Speaker 1: you need to be and to stay well? Trauma informed care,

944
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Speaker 1: I think, also addresses the social justice aspects of and

945
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: I think that we are going to be talking about

946
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Speaker 1: this a little bit later on, but it addresses the

947
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Speaker 1: social justice aspects of poverty. Why does poverty occur? How

948
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: is it that we can take the steps to eradicate poverty?

949
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: Why is that poverty in a capitalistic society especially is

950
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: a man made, human made phenomenon, because it is, we're

951
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: all literally one paycheck away from being unhoused. And so

952
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: how is it that we can create humane policies that

953
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Speaker 1: add to the safety net, that bridge the gap for

954
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: people that are disenfranchised and don't have a lot of assistance.

955
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: So trauma informed care, I think is really more holistic.

956
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: It looks as the entire individual as well as their environment.

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00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: The DSM manuals whether it's and I believe it's one

958
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Speaker 1: through five now, but I think we've been talking about

959
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Speaker 1: DSM four. If it is a DSM four, it looks

960
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: at just the illness and the pathology of the illness.

961
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: And that's it. Let me ask you this, how can

962
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: I get myself together if I have a break using

963
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: trum informed care? I know many of the how people

964
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Speaker 1: would like to be able to have the agency to

965
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: be able to correct if they have a break? What

966
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 1: would I would need to do if I had one

967
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: out here on the street? You know, I think it's

968
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: really one of those things that if it is that

969
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: I am experiencing a break, then I might need the

970
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: assistance of Good Samaritans. And so if it is that

971
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Speaker 1: I am experiencing a break, how do I advocate for

972
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: the care that I need when it is that I

973
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: am surrounded with good Samaritans? I think it might be

974
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: a better question is can I answer that one I'm

975
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Speaker 1: going to lead into that one as a business owner

976
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: calling the police? Is that a good idea? Or should

977
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: I as a community member? What training do I need

978
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: to be able to help you be safe? And exactly

979
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: exactly this question has one of the most important thing

980
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: is especially let's say, for example, I'm a business person,

981
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: right and someone is experiencing a break in my store.

982
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: I think the most important thing is, first of all,

983
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: I need to check myself. Do I have any internalized

984
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: stigma and discrimination around Do I have a bias for example,

985
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: around mental illness? If it is that I have a bias,

986
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: can I call someone else to be of assistant. I

987
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: think that it's really important to be humane with someone

988
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: that is experiencing a break. The listening skills, empathy, having foresight,

989
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: having an awareness, being persuasive, all of these skills are

990
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: very important characteristic as well as addressing my bias that

991
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: one I think is paramount. Most individuals that are attic.

992
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,160
Speaker 1: Excuse me statistics, as they tell us that most people

993
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: that are un housed, most people that have a mental

994
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: health challenge, are more inclined to have violence occur against

995
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: them than to be violent if I'm experiencing a break. Honestly,

996
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be violent in your store. But

997
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: what I do need is some assistance and maybe I

998
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: am able to advocate for myself in that moment. I

999
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: personally do not think that it needs to be the

1000
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: police department. I think that a lot of communities have

1001
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: mobile crisis teams or crisis intervention street teams that are

1002
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: on the street twenty four to seven to coordinate the

1003
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: care for me, the individual that is Quite honestly, it's

1004
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: not the job of the police. It's not the job

1005
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: of the police or the fire department or the fire department.

1006
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: I think that it is a sad case where most individuals,

1007
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: and once again this is a statistic most individuals will

1008
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: receive their first treatment strategies while they are in jail.

1009
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: Jail actually happens to be the largest hospital in the

1010
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: United States for individuals that are on house as well

1011
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 1: as have mental health challenges. I find that socially as

1012
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: socidally to be unacceptable. We need to do better, We

1013
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: need to do more, We need to offer more alternatives

1014
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: to just calling the police. Hope that answer your question.

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01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: It does. My question is the follow up on that

1016
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: is that many times, partectarly in Chinatown, we have a

1017
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: business improvement district that is very aggressive to unhoused people,

1018
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: in particular to people of color and people that are

1019
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: having aediza breaks that they have and one of the

1020
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: things that they do is their go to is always

1021
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,959
Speaker 1: has been to the police right now that they had

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01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: last Thursday, the neighborhood prosecutor for misdemeanors in the meeting

1023
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: looking at a person that has challenges and sending them

1024
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: to h to arrest and prosecute people that have these challenges,

1025
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: like at that jail mental health hospital. So the follow

1026
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: up is a lot of it is due to ignorance

1027
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: and a lot of it is due to poor education.

1028
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: How can the help in spreading the word on trauma

1029
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: informed care. You know, I'm really hesitant on using the

1030
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: media on any of these things. I the reason being,

1031
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, there's been several movies that have come out

1032
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: just this past year. One of them was I don't

1033
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: know if I can say this, but it was Batman.

1034
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys, but anyways, let me

1035
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: continue where the Joker had mental health challenges and it

1036
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: was so stigmatizing. It was so stigmatizing. It was so stigmatizing, right,

1037
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: And I think that in terms of the media, the

1038
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: media has a narrative and usually you will find it

1039
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: in the school shootings for example. Right, Oh, well it

1040
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: was a mental health challenge. Well, no, that's not true.

1041
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: It was not a mental health challenge. It was violent.

1042
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: There's those are two diametrically opposed sensibility. Just because I

1043
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: have a mental health challenge does not mean that I

1044
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: am violent. It's because I am violent does not mean

1045
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: that it is because of a mental health challenge. I

1046
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: hope that makes sense. And so we have to be

1047
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: able to differentiate in the community who are allies are

1048
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: going to be? Myself personally, I don't use the media

1049
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: as an ally because I find them with I find

1050
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: them with. Their philosophy is if it leads, it leads,

1051
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: So let's sensationalize it. Let's sensationalize it. Let's sensationalize it. Unfortunately,

1052
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: that's not going to work when it is about stigma

1053
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: reduction and education. Then what we need for stigma reduction

1054
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: and education And what we've found, once again statistically, is

1055
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 1: the more interfacing I have with someone that is different

1056
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: than myself, the more likely my walls are going to

1057
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: come down and the humanity is going to rise up.

1058
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: And so really the question is with the business district,

1059
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: how do we create safe places, safe zones where their

1060
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: business community can meet the unhaused community, or maybe meet

1061
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: the mental health challenge community in an area that is

1062
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: neutral for everyone, get everyone to get to know one another.

1063
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: It sounds really old fashioned because it is, but it

1064
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: also works really, really well. And the reason for that

1065
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: is because I see you, I see your humanity, I

1066
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: see your you know the blood, the bone, the grist,

1067
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: I see all of that, and it becomes very very

1068
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: difficult for me to demonize you when it is I

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Speaker 1: can see your humanity. So I would say for the

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Speaker 1: business district, what would be really important is actually being

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Speaker 1: able to create the safe faces. It does require a

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Speaker 1: different kind of work, but I think that it's preventative

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Speaker 1: work that I've actually seen succeed in Northern California in

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Speaker 1: our platando. Here's another thing that I've noticed and I

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Speaker 1: want your aspect on it. I've had several people close

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Speaker 1: to me and that have had like life changing illness.

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Speaker 1: For example, one that was terminally ill. And one of

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Speaker 1: the things that I remember when we would go and

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Speaker 1: take care of them, they were not at their best. Obviously,

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01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 1: they were sometimes disorientated, they were made went to the

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Speaker 1: bathroom on themselves. They they just basically was not it's

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01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: not worth the agency was lost in the respect that

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Speaker 1: they were going through illness. And so what I'm thanking

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01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,959
Speaker 1: to is the fact that that wasn't the time for

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Speaker 1: me to pull out a camera and witness them at

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Speaker 1: their best. What do you think of the phenomenon of

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01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: you see people now when people are going through the

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Speaker 1: challenges that we are trying to normalize and humanely look

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Speaker 1: at the same situation from mental health or people that

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Speaker 1: are having substance usage of recording them and not at

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Speaker 1: their best moment. Is that said something about our humanity

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01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: or do you think that's a good, wise idea for

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Speaker 1: us to do that because we're when we I think,

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Speaker 1: I think, I think honestly, that's classic classic shaming or

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Speaker 1: shaming the individual. I am seeing you at your absolute worst,

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01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 1: where you can't even advocate for yourself, and then I'm

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01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: going to spotlight and highlight you at your absolute worst

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01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: to make a point. And the point is shame on you,

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01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: shame on you for being ill. Right, And yes, do

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Speaker 1: we live in a shame based society? Absolutely? Do we

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01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: live in a fear based society? Absolutely? But I think

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01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: that we need to recognize when it is that there

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01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: are certain there are certain incidences that will either add

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Speaker 1: to the stigma or they will support why people are

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Speaker 1: being discriminated. Again, as far as I'm concerned, something like

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01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: that happening and I've seen it, something like that happening

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01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: is atrocious. It's absolutely utterly atrocious and I have no

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Speaker 1: other words for it. I can't believe that someone would

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Speaker 1: do that to another human beings. That is dehumanizing another person.

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Speaker 1: How can we galvanize people to come around on house

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01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 1: people instead of us galvanizing to get rid of them

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01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: exactly exactly how do we build alliances in the community.

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01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: You know, one of the places is actually the Border Supervisors.

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01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: I think that you're probably familiar with the Border of Supervisors.

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01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that you know who the supervisor is. Yes,

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Speaker 1: say that again. Well, unfortunately, because their solution is, uh,

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01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,840
Speaker 1: they're they taking their lead. Two of the Border supervise

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01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: supervisors is taking their lead from doctor true Minski, who's

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01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: running around saying mental health people because he has experiences.

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Speaker 1: That's what Yes, exactly is that they have a voice.

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Speaker 1: If it is that they have a voice, right, and

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01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: it is the voice of the very very few, very

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01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: very few, as well as our conservative voice, then we

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01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: also need to come in with our own voice to

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Speaker 1: counter that one. I really do think and I've seen

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Speaker 1: it work where community organizers like yourself feel are able

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01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 1: to bring in a group of people, like minded individuals

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01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: who want to address a very specific policy measure, and

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Speaker 1: they are able to do it, especially with the Board

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Speaker 1: of Supervisors, to say, hey, you know what, I'm in

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01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: your district, I vote, I'm a constituent, I matter, and

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Speaker 1: this is my issue. The truth of the matter is

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01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: that we are not at the county Board of Supervisors,

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01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,560
Speaker 1: and we need to be the county board of supervisors,

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01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: a lot of them, especially in California. How it's broken

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01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:00,719
Speaker 1: down to feed plus odd space is that the county

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01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: Board of Supervisors is actually the one that creates the

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Speaker 1: policy for mental health care. It goes through the County

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Speaker 1: Board of Supervisors. And so I really think it is

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01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: imperative that when there are votes that are about our

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Speaker 1: mental health, when there are votes that are about un

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Speaker 1: laws or city ordinances or codes, that we be in

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01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 1: those rooms. We be in the rooms before the laws

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01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: are passed, and we are in the rooms as constituents,

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01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: as citizens, as voters. It makes a huge difference. I've

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01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: seen the tie turns when it is that we provide

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01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:52,920
Speaker 1: our own anecdotal evidence, and we provide our personal narratives,

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01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: and we do it in such a way that it

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01:09:55,479 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: reaches across all of that arc conservatives them and the

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01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: fear mongering that demagogureys have a tendency to deal. And

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01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: I'm not naming any names, but I am saying La

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01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: County definitely has a demogogue and yeah, let's see if

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01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: we can topple him. I agree. I think one of

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01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: the like you stated earlier about the media has had

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01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: a handle it also listening to anti on house rhetoric

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01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: like doctor Dupinski right exactly from the Union Rescue Mission

1157
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 1: talking about get rid of support of house and just

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01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: brought them in shelters or send them off into the desert.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's deemagoguery, that's pemagogory, and that has

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01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 1: no place at all whatsoever in a democracy, and it

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01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: certainly doesn't have a place at all in the twenty

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Speaker 1: first century. Right. The things of the matter is that

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01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: between the Department of Public Health and the Board of Supervisors,

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Speaker 1: we have to realize, either as members of the unhoused

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01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: population or as members of the mental health awareness population,

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01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 1: we have to realize that the system has never been

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01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 1: designed for us. The system is a warehouse, and it

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01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: is to isolate and to hide us. It is oppressive,

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01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 1: it is traumatic, it's very traumatic, and so one it

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Speaker 1: is that whether it's a Department of Public Health or

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Speaker 1: the Board of Supervisors, they say that, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not about a lack of hospital beds, it's it's excuse me.

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01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 1: They'll say that we don't have the space, we don't

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Speaker 1: have the room, it's about a lack of hospital beds.

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Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no, no, no, no no. It's

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Speaker 1: about redesigning the whole system. It's about us as constituents

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Speaker 1: getting involved, attending hearings, making public statements, highlighting at the

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Speaker 1: time of making the public statement, which districts we're in,

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01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,799
Speaker 1: and it's definitely that we're folder. And it's also making

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01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 1: sure that we hold our elected officials accountable. That's the

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01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: only way to do it, Honestly, if we want to

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01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: see change, we have to be where change occurs, and

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Speaker 1: we have to be in those arenas and we have

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Speaker 1: to be comfortable in those spaces. You know, there's currently

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01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 1: ten million people in La County and it is the

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Speaker 1: County of Los Angeles for the supervisors, the first, second, third, fourth,

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Speaker 1: and fifth district. So knowing that, I think it's also

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01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: important to know that for the annual budget, this is

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Speaker 1: for twoenty twelve, twenty and thirteen, the annual budget for

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Speaker 1: the County of Los Angeles Public Health was eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and ninety three million dollars. Eight hundred and ninety three

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01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 1: million dollars. It's close to a billion dollars. So if

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Speaker 1: it is that someone is saying that we need to,

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01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 1: I don't know, leave leave Alley Counting and move out

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01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 1: to where no. I think what we need to do

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Speaker 1: is actually hold La County accountable where is opposed to

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Speaker 1: a billion dollars going if it is that it's not

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Speaker 1: in service to the people that greatly need it the most.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I've noticed, for a fact

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Speaker 1: is that most of the money that I've noticed anytime

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Speaker 1: when we're dealing with on the unhoused crisis, which is

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01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: over six hundred thousand people and growing daily, is the

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01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 1: fact that they allocate a line's share of the money

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01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 1: to police officers or police services to go and like

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01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: you stay police or inconcerrate the unhoused mentally health mentally

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01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: ill individuals and unhoused people in general who don't follow

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01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: the ordinances. So they're in lines where some of the

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01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 1: money goes the other moneyes go with business improvement district

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01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 1: community these that use them as a finder's fee or

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01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 1: as a scout if you want, on a diabolical nature

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01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: to find these on how mental health people and to

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01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: get them into the net of the police department. So

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01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 1: what is your thoughts on that? It's really it's really

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01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 1: quite possible to uh divert the money that is going

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01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: to the police department, for example, and use it for

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01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: crisis intervention teams. Crisis intervention teams would do the same

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01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: word that the police officers are doing, but they are

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01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 1: actually trained clinicians, they're trained peer providers, and they are

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01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: trained individuals who can actually de escalate a crisis, and

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01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 1: then they determine whether or not the person needs to

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01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: be in a hospital or perhaps even respect Kim, maybe

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01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 1: it's not even a hospital, right, And so I really

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01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 1: do think that once again, the system has never been

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01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: design for us. And so how do we advocate to

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01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: divert funding away from police departments and into humane, holistic

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01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 1: services like crisis intervention teams or even peer excuse me,

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01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: even respect Care, which is very similar to a hospital.

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01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: The Respect Care is in a residential neighborhood. I am

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01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: not isolated. I am still part of the community. My my, my,

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01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: my illness so to speak, is normalized. It's part of

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01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 1: the human condition. And it's got maybe two to three

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01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: weeks to stay to respect Care and take care of

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01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: myself and and and figure out what my treatment strategies

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01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 1: are going to be. So there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: options besides the police apartment, is what I'm trying to say.

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01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: But we need to be able to advocate and get involved. Well,

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Speaker 1: I thank you again Tando for taking your time out

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01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: of your busy schedule in light up with Steve Lopez's

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01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: article that basically demonized an unhoused and people with these

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01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: health challenges. This is a very timely message. We have

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Speaker 1: a far part series, so Tondo, I invite you to

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01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: come back for the rest of the series. But again,

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01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: thank you for your time, and we're going to shut

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Speaker 1: off right now here. This is Theo Henderson from Mean

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01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: House and thank you guys for listening. Make me again

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01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:56,759
Speaker 1: beat in the light of understanding. I want to switch

1247
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: gears here and I want to introduce another gentleman here, Eric.

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01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 1: This was black Wolf. I like the Black Thing, so

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01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: I want to just say a welcome black Wolf, and

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01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 1: I would like to give the bike to you. Tell

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01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: us your story. I want to hear it. Hi, my

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01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: name's David Lopez, otherwise known as black Wolf. I actually

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01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: left my house from my own reasons and there was

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01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 1: just a lot of family, you know, disruptions, a lot

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01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 1: of losses. People have died of the sickness is some

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01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 1: people like my uncle, he passed away in the dialysis room.

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01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:45,440
Speaker 1: My grandmother, she was drinking and taking pills off a depression.

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01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,799
Speaker 1: So a lot of that kind of stays in my family.

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01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: Aside from diabetes and heart failure. Me personally, I've gone

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01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:59,560
Speaker 1: through a lot. I have PTSD, schizophrenia, by pol disorder, paranoia,

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01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 1: and my partner, Black Lily, she pretty much helps me

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01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: cope with that from a day to day basis. The

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01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: reason why I'm on the streets is because I was

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01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: trying to get my record clean, trying to clear my name,

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01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: trying to be a better person. I mean, I used

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01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:18,920
Speaker 1: to be a house person. I used to be upper

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01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: middle class. I would go out of my way and

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01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 1: come out to the people that aren't house and get

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01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,719
Speaker 1: money out of my own pocket to help them try

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01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: to enlighten themselves. And she's to it that there aren't

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01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: really bad people out here, and now that I'm on

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01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 1: house and I'm on the streets, I'm still doing my

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01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 1: part to try and make the best of it and

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01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 1: help my community out. I think that's very well spoken.

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01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,759
Speaker 1: Can you tell me what was it like your first

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01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: time to be unhoused, What did you feel what was

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01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: going through your head that was never going to make

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01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,799
Speaker 1: it back to where I was, and that there's probably

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01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:00,719
Speaker 1: certain substances that are probably gonna help me, like stay

1280
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 1: where I was and be stuck there. Intent Yeah, that's

1281
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: very true. I can recall this first time I was

1282
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: in house to fear and the uh because I didn't

1283
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 1: sleep a wink. I guess I had no idea because

1284
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: there is no manual to be out on house. People

1285
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:20,600
Speaker 1: have this nonsensical belief that people just go around with

1286
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 1: big shopping cars, but the reason they have those is

1287
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 1: because of survival things to survive. I didn't know that

1288
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: because I was uninitiated. The second question I would like

1289
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: to ask is like, how long have you been un house?

1290
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,839
Speaker 1: Me personally, I've been on house since I was about sixteen,

1291
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: so about ten years now. Well it will be ten

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01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: years next year, but nine years total. So how are

1293
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: you able to Because it sounds like you're reasonably resilient,

1294
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 1: it's obviously obviously resourceful. What keeps you from plunging into

1295
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 1: the forces of depression or getting off track, if you will,

1296
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: surrounding yourself with good people that kind of relate to

1297
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 1: you very asking them what are their reasons for being

1298
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: out here and sitting down with these people and actually

1299
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 1: sitting in come and go as you can hear that

1300
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: this is the same kind of philosophy that how people

1301
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: have as well as other house people. We're really not

1302
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 1: that different. It's just that some kind of way we've

1303
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: been dehumanized, and it made them feel like we're at others.

1304
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: There was a few weeks ago an Echo Park in

1305
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: the Rain. Park rangers came and confiscated there was a

1306
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: there's a disability disabled man, he has multiple scrosses, and

1307
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 1: there's other people who have all sorts of challenges in

1308
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 1: this park. They went and confisated their things. They put

1309
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: some of it in the trash. They handcuffed the guy,

1310
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 1: the tanged the guy and one of the guys and

1311
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,959
Speaker 1: they started to speak out and stand up for themselves,

1312
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 1: and one of the park rangers responses was, you're the

1313
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 1: only person that sees that sees that they aren't human,

1314
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: that therein lies the challenges. And then when I have

1315
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 1: my own experience is when I was in Alpine and

1316
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 1: hearing the staff whining about it's not fair. They don't

1317
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 1: see it's not about you being black or a house.

1318
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 1: But it's actually that it's just that they're so insiduous,

1319
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 1: that they are so implicitly biased, they can never possibly

1320
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: see the track record that they did, which brings up

1321
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:27,520
Speaker 1: why I say this. It's because this is the nucleus

1322
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,800
Speaker 1: of how forty one, eighteen sixty four, forty four and

1323
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 1: DIETO two has been realized. It's the implicit bias about people.

1324
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 1: It's the implicit ideas that people are a danger or

1325
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,360
Speaker 1: they it's one of the guys there told me you

1326
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,400
Speaker 1: should move your things away because you're two near children,

1327
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: or you know, they think you're setting up or you're

1328
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 1: going to do something to the kids. It's the idea

1329
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 1: that you are not a community member, you're not a

1330
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: human being, and they want you to fall in line

1331
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: with that dehuman eye think an insulting practice. So what

1332
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 1: is your thoughts on forty one to eight? Pretty much,

1333
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 1: in my general opinion from someone from what you said

1334
01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: is these people were pretty much doing everything in their

1335
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:17,439
Speaker 1: power to lower morale. The lower morale is out here,

1336
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 1: it's a higher chance for them to just say, hey man,

1337
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 1: you got to get your shit and go. And pretty much,

1338
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean to me, I've been in compliance with everything

1339
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 1: that these lapd have released, so far, so good, and

1340
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: it's just I would say if people could look at

1341
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 1: my example and follow from what I'm doing, we won't

1342
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:44,439
Speaker 1: have trouble. My issue is this, and if you free

1343
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 1: to jump in Black Lily, is the fact that do

1344
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: you also consider yourself as American citizens? Yes, I was

1345
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 1: born on American soil. David was black, Wolf was born

1346
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: on American soil. If you're born on American soil, you're

1347
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 1: an American. You're an American, whether you pay taxes or not. Okay,

1348
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 1: so they're in that. This is following me with what

1349
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 1: I'm going with this line of questioning, is that why

1350
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,880
Speaker 1: is it that people feel that and house people are

1351
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 1: not accorded the same civil rights and the dignities that

1352
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: house people do. So what is your thoughts for that? Honestly,

1353
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 1: I think it has to stem from Honestly, it's not

1354
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:28,639
Speaker 1: just about unhoused people. It's more of the fact that

1355
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 1: they see us as weaker. For years and centuries, people

1356
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 1: have been wanting to dehumanize somebody else just because of

1357
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 1: them being weak, just because of them being different, just

1358
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 1: because of where they live, just because of how they live,

1359
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: and because of their culture. For years, we've been dehumanizing people.

1360
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: It's not just the homeless people that been receiving it.

1361
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: Like if you look at it, homelessness has been around

1362
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: for a while. But honestly, all that we ask for

1363
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 1: it's just a little bit of a respect. Honestly, yeah,

1364
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 1: I agree, respect goes a long way. However, I want

1365
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:19,679
Speaker 1: to also talk about respect civil rights and in two

1366
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 1: the first of the year, and just to let everyone

1367
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 1: know on this listing the first of the year, Mitchell Pharaoh,

1368
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 1: the mayor and LAPD have been having backroom talks. They

1369
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 1: have half heartedly let the care teams have less police practice,

1370
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 1: but behind the societies behind scrutiny. They have been sweeping

1371
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 1: places like Koreatown Echo Park, and it's partly because of

1372
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 1: the fact that they have been getting backlash from house residents. However,

1373
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: here is the irony of the whole situation is that

1374
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 1: no matter where they do all these raids, there is

1375
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: nowhere for the young house to go. They are still

1376
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 1: going to be un housed. They must look like they

1377
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 1: are doing something. But have you have heard anything of

1378
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 1: any mayor, Mitchell Pharaoh, or any council City council members

1379
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: speaking out against the vigilanteism that has been going on

1380
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: with unhoused people. Have you heard, I have not, But

1381
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: no I haven't. I haven't heard of any city came

1382
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: down to this that one time. But I don't know

1383
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,960
Speaker 1: if he's for us or against us. For as far

1384
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 1: as I've seen Mary Grisetti, as far as I've seen

1385
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 1: from what he's done in the past, is he's against

1386
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: the homeless his direct words, whereas he's his job is

1387
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:49,120
Speaker 1: to make the Republicans and the Liberals angry. He wants

1388
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: to make the Republicans angry because he wants to spend

1389
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 1: money on the young housed. He wants to make the

1390
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: Liberals angry because they can't sleep near parks or school

1391
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 1: or things like that. So the forty one eighteen was

1392
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 1: his brain child, along with Mike Feher, Mitchell Farroh, the

1393
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 1: Border supervisors, they all have got the new Martinez by

1394
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 1: the way, as gotten together to foment this kind of

1395
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 1: the human nation. To the humanization campaign. Well you have

1396
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: to see it this way too, that if we're gonna

1397
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 1: be forced out into the desert, we're just gonna be

1398
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: forced to learn just survive. As much as we've been

1399
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: doing it's just gonna be different. Instead, we're gonna be

1400
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 1: building our own huts out there. And it's like, if

1401
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 1: you're really gonna be mad about the homeless people being

1402
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: in the city and you want them out, stop blaming

1403
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: the fires on us. Stop you know, making us the

1404
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 1: bad guys because we're just trying to survive. You push

1405
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 1: us on to the desert. It's just gonna be an

1406
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 1: what's the difference. What's the difference. It's a concentration camp,

1407
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 1: that's the difference. Know what it is is they're pushing

1408
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: us away from resources that can help us get off

1409
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 1: the street. And most importantly when in the Nazi Germany,

1410
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 1: this this is exactly like that. The first thing when

1411
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: I was in college and I interviewed some of the

1412
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: Holocaust survivors, the thing of it is is they did

1413
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 1: not just cool out and just scoop them up. They

1414
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,880
Speaker 1: used a steady campaign. Like I would be very hard

1415
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:29,600
Speaker 1: pressed to believe that they haven't modeled and observed this

1416
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: is the campaign of always having the outside forces generate

1417
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: the public outcry. My observation is the police officers are

1418
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,759
Speaker 1: behind it as well. They will go to business owners,

1419
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: they will go to residents, and force them and make

1420
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: the story so horrific that you see this mentally ill guy,

1421
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: he's walking around with a bag of feces. Do you

1422
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 1: want them around your children? They make the story so

1423
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 1: horrific that the humanization can camping goes on unabated. And

1424
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,280
Speaker 1: then after that that momentum going on. Once you send

1425
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 1: out people to the camps, they ain't gonna have no

1426
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:13,719
Speaker 1: recourse there. They aren't going to be able to fight

1427
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: back because they are usually beaten down by the police,

1428
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 1: park rangers, city house residents. They're so used to condition

1429
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 1: to be dehumanized, they would just go along with it.

1430
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 1: But many of the unhoused are disabled, ill, they need

1431
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 1: surgeries and things like that. They can't survive out there

1432
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 1: in the camps because they, like a few days ago,

1433
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 1: a few people have been passing away. So that's that's

1434
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 1: where we're going. And that's why we must all of us,

1435
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 1: is the unhoused. We must unite and speak out against this.

1436
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: We cannot shift our uh drop our shoulders and our heads.

1437
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:56,440
Speaker 1: We need to send and I completely agree. I've actually

1438
01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna ask black Wolf here when I go to

1439
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:04,280
Speaker 1: Salvation Army. Like there's been a few times where I

1440
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:07,520
Speaker 1: tried to get people to speak up because there's some resources,

1441
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 1: some resource centers that have gone around, you know, making

1442
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 1: some really shitty laws city rules. Because of the laws

1443
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 1: that are around. As I have been trying to get

1444
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: people to speak up, a lot of y'all think that

1445
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 1: we don't have a voice. But honestly, when you really

1446
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 1: think about it, if we group together, if we connect together,

1447
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 1: stand together as a homeless community, do you realize that

1448
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: the homeless community overruns the housed population. Let that sink

1449
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: in for a minute. Just let that sink in for

1450
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 1: a minute. There are more homeless citizens here in America,

1451
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:08,720
Speaker 1: and there are citizens that own their own house. I

1452
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 1: imagine as well if those house citizens manned together and

1453
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,679
Speaker 1: had it became a very strong political voice and put

1454
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: in the walking papers of the business Improvement District. And

1455
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:26,799
Speaker 1: these small but vocal, outcryer outliers are finding a voice

1456
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: or a fighting audience in council members office, mayor's office,

1457
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 1: and I ultimately the city attorneys who's creating these draconian

1458
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 1: laws and knowing that they are not have any concern

1459
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: about unhouse people at all. They just want the money

1460
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:45,160
Speaker 1: and more buildings. So black Wolf. Let me ask you

1461
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:49,559
Speaker 1: a question. If you had a billboard and you were

1462
01:30:49,680 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 1: taxed to educate the populace about big on House, what

1463
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 1: would your billboard be? Stand up for us right and

1464
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: united to stand strong into common enemy. Thank you for

1465
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:23,080
Speaker 1: listening to this episode of Mental Health. We're going to

1466
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 1: be doing the five part series, but I wanted to

1467
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 1: touch base and recap on some things that is very

1468
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 1: interesting to note. Unhoused or housed, we all say a

1469
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 1: share a common garment of destiny. We are connected. But

1470
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 1: when it's a full time job, when you're in house

1471
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,880
Speaker 1: and you're constantly harassed by supposedly the people that are

1472
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 1: supposed to have your interest as well as house members,

1473
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 1: when it's unfair and unbalanced. It happens to put your

1474
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:53,720
Speaker 1: body through some neurochemical stresses, the fight or fight response,

1475
01:31:54,120 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 1: and it causes mental health issues. Whether you want to

1476
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 1: or not, it causes trauma. Our is episode explore this

1477
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 1: with mental health advocate Tondukuduka as whereas Maridiv as well

1478
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,919
Speaker 1: as some of the incidents that some of our gueststeps

1479
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 1: talked about. The lack of care and the lack of

1480
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 1: indifference our community has too often we have been painted

1481
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 1: by the physical unhoused. We see the unhoused that are

1482
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:22,680
Speaker 1: talking to themselves or having a moment of disruption and realities,

1483
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:27,800
Speaker 1: and then they are basically having a breakdown. Due to

1484
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: our society disdain for poor and people that are in poverty,

1485
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:35,559
Speaker 1: it is up to us to embrace new ways in

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Speaker 1: order to help. Film criminalization is not a new way.

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Speaker 1: It has been here since the eighteen hundreds and it

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01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 1: hasn't done anything then and it will not do anything now.

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01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 1: We must embrace new ideas, just as we do with science, technology,

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01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 1: and anything that deals with the arts. We must embrace

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01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 1: somethings such as trauma informed care, how we as communities

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01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 1: deal with people with trauma issues, and how we deal

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01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:02,600
Speaker 1: with on a legal method of how to deal with

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01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 1: unhoused people that have these challenges. What is humane is

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01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: saying we're all in this together and we're going to

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01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 1: do something about it. What is inhumane is talking about

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Speaker 1: that you're going to force compliant enforcement behaviors, thinking that

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Speaker 1: it's going to solve the problem because you're afraid to

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01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 1: confront the people that are harassing unhouse people because you're

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Speaker 1: one of the harassers. If you really want to change

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01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 1: things to make unhouse people's lives a little more with

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01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:32,840
Speaker 1: dignity and care and humanis. You will seek out at

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01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 1: every turn to reach for trauma informed care. You will

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01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 1: also reach out and create the housing and places for

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01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:44,640
Speaker 1: them to be instead of forcing them into positions like

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01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 1: where it is going Desert internment camps is not the answer,

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01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 1: and that is the answer where Donald Trump is leading to.

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01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 1: Mark Eric here said, it is leading to as well

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01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 1: as the council member that disdain unhouse people. So if

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01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:01,200
Speaker 1: we were to do something, we need to be able

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01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 1: to re examine our biases again, our ways, our resources

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01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 1: and start to make budget cuts against the police officers

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01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 1: and council members and put them into the appropriate places.

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01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 1: And that is for mental health, housing, affordable housing, and

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01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 1: making steps to make sure that when someone made me

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01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 1: become a chronic unhoused person, that we have the ladder

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01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 1: to hold on so they can hold on and maybe

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01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: we could change the dynamic of what is unhoused. We

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01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: need an education platform. Every time I look around, I

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01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: look into schools and I see the most ridiculous things.

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01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 1: We see police officers on Christmas and Thanksgiving running around

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01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:49,879
Speaker 1: for presenting themselves as officer friendly. We have boot liquors

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01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,639
Speaker 1: that run around and says that not all police officers

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01:34:52,640 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 1: are bad. But the problem is we're not talking about individuals.

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01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 1: We're talking about a system, a system that allows police

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01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:01,800
Speaker 1: officers to break the law, harassed unhouse people because they

1527
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,759
Speaker 1: know that they are defenseless and they cannot do anything.

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01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 1: We're talking about an education system and overhaul that teaches

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01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 1: the school, the staff as well as the kids how

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01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 1: to be able to interact with the unhoused people, because

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01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 1: there are in our schools. The kids are there now.

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01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 1: And if you have nimbis yelling and spouting and evil things,

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01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 1: and police officers giving our feci sandwiches, or unhoused residents

1534
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 1: or neighborhood business council throwing explosive devices at unhoused people,

1535
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:34,800
Speaker 1: then we are the criminals, not the unhoused. We need

1536
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 1: to step back, re examine ourselves, check ourselves, and understand

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01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 1: that there are consequences for our actions as well, and

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01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 1: we must really strive for a peaceable, humane solution with

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Speaker 1: the unhoused people, which is supportive housing, the scarding of criminalization,

1540
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:54,080
Speaker 1: as well as an open dialogue with unhoused people, not

1541
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 1: news media not someone finger wagging about what the unhoused

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01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:04,519
Speaker 1: situation is. Have shown many unhoused people that have showed

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01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 1: that they are not mentally ill in the respect that

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01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 1: they are danger to society, drug addicted and they're walking

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01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:14,520
Speaker 1: around with a Fece's bag and are causing the chaos.

1546
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,519
Speaker 1: There are different types of issues going on with unhoused people,

1547
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 1: and these ones are being ignored because we are so

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01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 1: harping on the visible how unhoused. I truly hope that

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Speaker 1: when you're listening to these things that you're walking away

1550
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 1: with a truer understanding of what unhoused mean in Los

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01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 1: Angeles and around the world. This podcast so far has

1552
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 1: been traveled from Germany, Romania, Glasgow, Scotland, and it is

1553
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:45,720
Speaker 1: growing because of the fact that, for once we are

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01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:49,280
Speaker 1: listening to unhoused people, we're not blaming them. We're not

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01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 1: saying this a personal choice. They chose an agency. All

1556
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 1: that nonsense that I've heard some reporters do, or some

1557
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 1: people trying to finger wag. They're thinking that they are

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01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 1: being tough with people. It is not going to work.

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01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,080
Speaker 1: We want to hear from them, let the house speak,

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01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 1: and we just close our mouths and listen. Thank you

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01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:09,959
Speaker 1: for listening and may we again meeting a night or understanding.

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01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 1: This is a very big thank you for the people

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Speaker 1: that have supported and helped me throughout, from Craig Wong

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01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 1: of CCD and a Shan from CCD, Amy John Trong,

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01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 1: Taiji Zan and Mario Carlos needed to He stepped in

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01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 1: when we needed and edited the most. He has been

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01:37:43,479 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 1: very diligent, hard working and patient. And all of our

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Speaker 1: guests are that have came on our podcast. They took

1569
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 1: their time, They share their stories in their heart in

1570
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 1: order for the world to be educated on our voices

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01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 1: instead of people telling us what our house people feel.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, elished and e finished and aishished