Speaker 1: It's eleven forty eight pm into Nopa, Nevada, and you're
Speaker 1: listening to Nightcall. Hello and welcome to Nightcall, a call
Speaker 1: in show for artist Topy in Reality. My name is
Speaker 1: Emily Yoshida and I am joined on the other end
Speaker 1: of the line by Molly Lambert and Tess Lynch. Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: so we got a nightcall that we want to kick
Speaker 1: things off with about contact tracing, about UH security and Bluetooth,
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that we were talking about with
Speaker 1: Um Meredith, our guest a couple of weeks back. So
Speaker 1: let's kick it off. It's a little long, but you
Speaker 1: might learn something. Hi, Nightcall pod um, But this is MO.
Speaker 1: I'm in Chicago. I'm calling about the sort of semi
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory about they listening. UM. So you don't actually
Speaker 1: have to go that far fit to be creepy, and
Speaker 1: actually thinking that like consumer brands or like Instagram are
Speaker 1: listening to your audio is actually taking it so far
Speaker 1: that you're like not focusing on the right thing. Um.
Speaker 1: And the thing that's the creepious about those is that
Speaker 1: a lot of times that I would say high percent
Speaker 1: of the time that you talk about something as a
Speaker 1: friend and then adds later, Um, is because your friends
Speaker 1: did something related to that search and the you know
Speaker 1: sort of companies that aggregate the party data and some
Speaker 1: of them to brands to do advertising. Um. Uh know
Speaker 1: that your phones are in proxivity. So the reason that
Speaker 1: this is creepier than like the actual milk company listening
Speaker 1: to your conversation is one, it's like, Milk is not
Speaker 1: a big enough brand to be collecting your data yourself themselves, right, Um,
Speaker 1: So it's actually creepier that there's probably arguably a company
Speaker 1: not very good at their jobs, um, not very secure, uh,
Speaker 1: who has information about phones being close to each other,
Speaker 1: because that allows um, anyone that's access to data to
Speaker 1: d anonymize geolocation data. So uh, serial geolocation marker doesn't
Speaker 1: tell you a lot which if you can tell it.
Speaker 1: If you can like match a geolocation marker to other people,
Speaker 1: then you get much much closer to identifying an individual
Speaker 1: person with a geo marker. Um. And that's really the
Speaker 1: problematic thing is that there's a lot of these like
Speaker 1: very shitty third party vendors who do marketing data, and
Speaker 1: thankfully a lot of that is going to be ameliorated
Speaker 1: with GDPR because they will get fined for being bad
Speaker 1: at their jobs, and the thing that they're particularly bad
Speaker 1: at is not necessarily what they do above board. It's
Speaker 1: like them not having enough DevOps engineer which is security
Speaker 1: engineers UM and leaving their data out there. Or like,
Speaker 1: you know, a dominding client wanted to use off label uses.
Speaker 1: I am a data scientist, ivoid clients asked me to
Speaker 1: do this, I've ever done it. Um. And then another
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to bring up is confirmation bias. UM.
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, my friends have asked me
Speaker 1: about this, and like, I'm not pro advertising on the internet,
Speaker 1: I'm not pro product usage analytics in all cases. But really,
Speaker 1: what you're seeing when you have this hypothesis that your
Speaker 1: phone is listening to you and then you see the
Speaker 1: ads later is you know, it might be that your
Speaker 1: friend looked it up and you're you know, the phone,
Speaker 1: so they were near each other, so now you're cookie
Speaker 1: is in a cookie pool for milk. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just confirmation bias, and you kind of owe it to
Speaker 1: yourself as a reasonable critical consumer to understand that your
Speaker 1: brain is also very bad a processing information. And there's
Speaker 1: this thing in statistics all the multiple comparison problem where um,
Speaker 1: if you compare any kind of trend, the more you compare,
Speaker 1: the more you're likely to find what seems like a
Speaker 1: meaningful trying to just that rand noise. So you might
Speaker 1: have seen the milk out anyway. Um so yeah, look
Speaker 1: up conformation bias. You kind of owe it's yourself to
Speaker 1: understands your brains lie a processing information. Your perception of
Speaker 1: what you look at on the Internet. Is not great
Speaker 1: evidence to see why the Internet is bad or why
Speaker 1: Internet marketing is kind of evil, because the reasons the
Speaker 1: Internet loveting are evil is are actually much stupider and
Speaker 1: um much more insidious than um, my phone is listening
Speaker 1: to me. And also the thing about Instagram, it's not
Speaker 1: likely your phone knowing where your eyes are looking. That's
Speaker 1: actually a pretty like data intensive thing. So there's likely
Speaker 1: not turning it on for all users at all times.
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing that's actually possible, But it
Speaker 1: is really hard, and it would make your app noticeably
Speaker 1: slow down what they're probably during a scroll time. Uh,
Speaker 1: you pause in your scroll, and so any image in
Speaker 1: that window when you pause your scroll will come up again. Um.
Speaker 1: So still not great, but they don't need to turn
Speaker 1: your camera on to do it. Um. And like the
Speaker 1: issue with turning your camera or your sound on it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily privacy things is that that data is really
Speaker 1: intense to process. It starts to become an MP problem
Speaker 1: for familiar with mathematics. But yeah, they're likely not listening
Speaker 1: to you just because they're stupid, but because they're stupid, um,
Speaker 1: they're doing even worship. So yeah, just take a little
Speaker 1: deeper because those things about your phone listening to you
Speaker 1: are like top level ship and you can really galaxy
Speaker 1: brain on what's actually happening. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: the call. Um. This actually reminds me a part of it,
Speaker 1: at least the part about, uh, you know, the confirmation bias,
Speaker 1: right reminds me a bit of our conversation that Molly
Speaker 1: and I had that we do with Colin Dicky about
Speaker 1: his book The Unidentified, and he brought up the term apophenia,
Speaker 1: which is the you know, just thinking you're discovering patterns
Speaker 1: where there are none, which I think is like something
Speaker 1: that does like I got accused of a lot when
Speaker 1: I used to be the the Instagram add truth there.
Speaker 1: But I think like this is super interesting, especially the
Speaker 1: proximity thing because I think I don't know about you.
Speaker 1: I feel like we've talked maybe a little bit about
Speaker 1: this on and off the pod, but that our ads
Speaker 1: are kind of weird right now, and I wonder if
Speaker 1: it's because we're just not in our usual pool are
Speaker 1: cookie pool, uh, with our usual friends that we have
Speaker 1: our phones next to, And so you start to get
Speaker 1: the really random like why why would I ever get
Speaker 1: an ad for this thing? Because you're just kind of
Speaker 1: on your own. But I don't know that makes sense.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. What kind of ads have you guys been
Speaker 1: getting lately? Well, we were talking a couple of a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. I think about like how we
Speaker 1: started to get Spanish language ads like which I get
Speaker 1: off and on like over the years I have, but
Speaker 1: recently I've gotten a ton of them, which I think
Speaker 1: is sort of funny. I get those on TV shows,
Speaker 1: but on Instagram lately, I've been getting a lot of
Speaker 1: New Age stuff, which I love, Like what I got
Speaker 1: one for a doctor in Westwood that does ketamine therapy.
Speaker 1: I got that to my well, I got mind bloom Um,
Speaker 1: which was kind of branded as like a hallucinogenic therapy
Speaker 1: and then I was very surprised to see that it
Speaker 1: was ketamine, because I guess ketamine is the only hallucinogenic substance,
Speaker 1: which I also did not think of ketamine as being
Speaker 1: a hallucinogenic substance. I thought of it as being a tranquilizer.
Speaker 1: But um, it's the only one they're allowed to use.
Speaker 1: So I got that as well. Yeah, I guess because
Speaker 1: it's it's officially like it is FDA a proof for horses, right,
Speaker 1: so it's not like it's a uh whatever class A
Speaker 1: or whatever substance. Yeah. Um, that's fascinating. My friend Tierney
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I've been to that doctor and what's
Speaker 1: the what's the verdict? People learnto ketamine therapy. I've also
Speaker 1: been getting Yeah, I've also been getting ads for an
Speaker 1: infrared blank Get an infrared sleeping bag that says natural
Speaker 1: high at the foot of it. And then I went
Speaker 1: down a hole about reading about infrared blankets, which is
Speaker 1: like it's basically like a sweat bag. Sure that sounds awful.
Speaker 1: In August, I don't want to hear about it. You know,
Speaker 1: like convection of in yourself, you just like lightly cook
Speaker 1: yourself for help. It's like a sauna is the idea,
Speaker 1: and the way they market it is like, so you
Speaker 1: don't have to exercise. Oh, it's like it's like it's
Speaker 1: like the foil suit, except for zero physical activity. I've
Speaker 1: been getting a number of ads for tremendously expensive properties
Speaker 1: in semi rural locations like ranches in northern California. Here
Speaker 1: the Zillo Queen like checks out. But I also figured
Speaker 1: I thought maybe that that had something to do with
Speaker 1: the fact that they could see how little I leave
Speaker 1: my house and they were just like, she must be
Speaker 1: sick of her house. She must be really tired. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm going through my Instagram now just to
Speaker 1: see what I get. My Instagram has been fairly norm
Speaker 1: core lately, I have to say, it's just been a
Speaker 1: lot of I get that ad for that pot, which
Speaker 1: I'm I'm getting close to the point where I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna get it because it's so Which one it's the
Speaker 1: one that does everything? It's called with the steamer basket
Speaker 1: in it and everything. I don't. I don't. I think
Speaker 1: some Actually there's several brands. I should say they're they're multiple.
Speaker 1: One is called our Place, Yeah, which looks great. I
Speaker 1: would like one, but well our place, you know, advertising
Speaker 1: night Call podcast. Yeah, let's try it. I now believe
Speaker 1: in subliminal marketing and subliminal imagery because I cooked a
Speaker 1: recipe that turned out was on the side of a
Speaker 1: cereal box on top of my fridge that I've been
Speaker 1: looking at out of the periphery of my vision like
Speaker 1: all the time. Recipe on the cereal box equals a
Speaker 1: rice Crispy treat. Correct, it is a rice Crispy treat,
Speaker 1: but it's with corn flakes. And I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: just oh, that's great. I was like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: try making this weird thing that I just thought of
Speaker 1: that's like corn flakes and marshmallow and is a rice
Speaker 1: cruspy treat. And then like a week later, I looked
Speaker 1: at the cereal box and saw that it had the
Speaker 1: recipe and I've been like looking at it constantly without
Speaker 1: really tracking it, and I was like, wow, I am
Speaker 1: so easily influenced. It turns out you absorbed it. UM
Speaker 1: Going back to the call briefly, I found an article
Speaker 1: on Privacy International dot org, which is a UM. It's
Speaker 1: a UK based charity that explores issues of privacy and
Speaker 1: it turns out that bluetooth tracing UM is not is
Speaker 1: not considered as invasive as GPS or WiFi location gathering. UM.
Speaker 1: It's just a question of the permissions that your apps
Speaker 1: have and how that can be misused and the d
Speaker 1: anonymizing UM prospects of that. But I noticed in this
Speaker 1: article that they mentioned UM COVID contract contact tracing and
Speaker 1: I think it was called what was it called the
Speaker 1: Trace Together? Yes, Trace Together? That was that, thank you
Speaker 1: so Trace Together is the one that was cited in
Speaker 1: this article. But I noticed that I have this crime
Speaker 1: app on my phone that I was using a lot
Speaker 1: um during the protest to just figure out how to
Speaker 1: get around without like disrupting anything. And uh, they have
Speaker 1: there's something that I guess it's opt in that I
Speaker 1: have not opted into. But it is called safe trace,
Speaker 1: and it's a similar kind of thing where they give
Speaker 1: you the stats of how many people have downloaded safe Trace,
Speaker 1: but it enables Bluetooth to see who you've been in
Speaker 1: contact with if you were to test positive, to do
Speaker 1: contact tracing through your phone. But UM Privacy International points
Speaker 1: out that it's really not going to be useful unless
Speaker 1: everybody does it, and Trace Together I don't know how
Speaker 1: accurate this is in terms of you know now versus
Speaker 1: whenever this article was published, but it had been downloaded
Speaker 1: by only of the population, which would mean that it's
Speaker 1: largely useless. Um. It depends on how many people opt in.
Speaker 1: But it was interesting to kind of, as we spoke
Speaker 1: about with Meredith, think about the Beaco systems, the hidden
Speaker 1: beacons that are communicating with your Bluetooth if it is
Speaker 1: turned on, and the information that companies can get from that.
Speaker 1: UM and it's it's like with Instagram when you pause
Speaker 1: your scroll when you're in a store and you pause
Speaker 1: your role and you're in an aisle and you stop,
Speaker 1: then that communicates to a beacon that you're interested in
Speaker 1: a product, which is then communicated to the company. A
Speaker 1: little nice in mazes. Yeah, yeah, And this is a
Speaker 1: little bit of UM what Meredith was talking about with
Speaker 1: the the Bluetooth tracing and the flaws, and it obviously
Speaker 1: like if it'll show that you're in proximity with somebody
Speaker 1: that you're not necessarily in proximity with, say if you're
Speaker 1: like in cars on a freeway where you're you know,
Speaker 1: technically a few feet apart, but definitely not in each
Speaker 1: other's bubble. Um. Yeah, it just seems like the option
Speaker 1: problem is is the problem as has been like everything
Speaker 1: with COVID in the United States, like masks don't really
Speaker 1: work if not everybody's opting in on like you know,
Speaker 1: a large scale uh, you know, all all of it
Speaker 1: takes a large scale buy in for it to be effective.
Speaker 1: And it's really hard when you're asking people who are
Speaker 1: we already don't trust all of these tracking technologies and
Speaker 1: add technologies and stuff, and then you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a lot to ask. It also, weirdly
Speaker 1: seems very invasive to get information about who you're with
Speaker 1: versus just where exactly you are. To me, the story
Speaker 1: that that can tell seems like it could be used
Speaker 1: in a lot more nefarious ways than just like where
Speaker 1: you are as an individual. It's like who you're potentially
Speaker 1: with and like you said, you know, if that's miscommunicated
Speaker 1: or misconstrued by data, not not even by a person
Speaker 1: interpreting it, but just that you were definitely with this person. Um.
Speaker 1: But it was also just such an interesting call because
Speaker 1: is it does away with one conspiracy theory but opens
Speaker 1: up a door to a much more complex conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: And uh when when the caller said something like, well,
Speaker 1: if you understand math at all, I was like, well
Speaker 1: that makes it harder that NP or whatever value. Well, um,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a trek to a haunted clown hotel
Speaker 1: just to mix it up. Welcome back tonight, call um.
Speaker 1: We have been just inundated with people who want us
Speaker 1: to talk about the haunted clown Motel in Nevada. Um.
Speaker 1: And so we decided it was time to take a
Speaker 1: trip to the clown Hotel, which is just called the
Speaker 1: clown Motel. That's not like that is what the sign
Speaker 1: says on it, which is kind of incredible. Um. But
Speaker 1: test you did some research on the history of the
Speaker 1: clown Motel and where some of its ghosts might have originated. Yes,
Speaker 1: so thank you to everyone who knew we would love
Speaker 1: the clown Motel. We do. It is it's love is
Speaker 1: the right word, but loving the idea. It's it belongs
Speaker 1: to our it's under our umbrella. It's like holding the
Speaker 1: stem of the umbrella for us. Um. So this is
Speaker 1: a clown motel. It has six hundred clowns um on
Speaker 1: the premises. The New York Post covered it last month
Speaker 1: and it is a does it it's a landmark. People
Speaker 1: know about the clown motel. So it was sold last
Speaker 1: year and apparently only has happy clowns on the site,
Speaker 1: but there have been more clowns added since the sale. UM.
Speaker 1: But the reason that it's haunted, besides the fact that
Speaker 1: it's obviously terrifying to be in a motel filled with clowns,
Speaker 1: is that it's located directly next door to a graveyard
Speaker 1: UM that is mostly filled with the bodies of people
Speaker 1: who died in a mysterious plague in nineteen o two. Uh,
Speaker 1: and it looks super abandoned. It's just like completely flat
Speaker 1: gray dirt. It's really it's a real kind of characterists graveyard,
Speaker 1: which makes it more terrifying. But I looked to see
Speaker 1: if I could find more information on this plague and
Speaker 1: I found this nineteen o five newspaper article from the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Herald Um. The headline is to Nopa plague
Speaker 1: is pneumonia. Physician says reports are exaggerated. Sickness affects adults.
Speaker 1: And I showed it to Emily. It's like it does
Speaker 1: it looks like microfiche, but I just kind of copied
Speaker 1: some of the text. But um, there was it. I
Speaker 1: guess it occurred in a Nevada mining camp and um
Speaker 1: this One physician from Tonopa who had later moved to
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, says, quote, it is not the black plague,
Speaker 1: nor any other kind of plague, but simply an acute
Speaker 1: pneumonia of a very severe type. I myself suffered from
Speaker 1: it for three weeks, and I am now in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles to recuperate. The sickness is believed to be due
Speaker 1: to the lack of sanitary conditions, and a sufficient sum
Speaker 1: of money has been raised by public subscription to thoroughly
Speaker 1: cleanse the town. The disease, strangely enough, attacks only grown men.
Speaker 1: It became prevalent in the latter part of February, but
Speaker 1: is now well under control, and the many people who
Speaker 1: left the camp are now returning. In the early history
Speaker 1: of to Nopa, the town underwent a similar epidemic, which
Speaker 1: failed to affect women and children. Other camps have not
Speaker 1: been affected personally. I think this is probably due to
Speaker 1: some climactic condition with which we are not familiar. So Tess,
Speaker 1: are you bringing this to our attention because you believe
Speaker 1: this is like like an early prototype of coronavirus. Well
Speaker 1: not exactly, but it does kind of cracking this wide
Speaker 1: open look at that. UM. I recently read kind of
Speaker 1: thing about how coronavirus is cycling through UM. They have
Speaker 1: like an like an alphabetical kind of thing of the
Speaker 1: strains starting from A, and someone hypothesized that we're currently
Speaker 1: between like F and M. I'm not sure that stuff
Speaker 1: makes me want to like dive into the ocean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't deal with the different strains of of COVID.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you found something scarier than a clown grave.
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be. I once read a
Speaker 1: journal about clowning at a library and there was an
Speaker 1: obituary section in the back and it was called the
Speaker 1: Last Walk Around. Oh dear, I think about that a lot,
Speaker 1: the last lockground. UM, it just I don't think now.
Speaker 1: I think having read that article, probably the clown Motel
Speaker 1: has become pushed even further down the list of places
Speaker 1: I would ever stay, just being like cool. A sort
Speaker 1: of timely plague occurred right next door. But if you've
Speaker 1: ever been to the clown Motels, please let us. Know
Speaker 1: this is going to lead to us talking about clown core,
Speaker 1: which is a thing. Now tell me about clown core. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's just like it sounds. It's just cottage core but
Speaker 1: for clowning. So is everything? I'm sorry pretrin roll here.
Speaker 1: I have questions? Is it everything Colka dots? Is it
Speaker 1: Giant knows lamps? In? Clown core? Is clown core? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So is it just being a juggalo? Yeah? It's mostly
Speaker 1: about just saying honk a lot. What that's goose core?
Speaker 1: Like honk like like on a clown car, like clown car? Honk?
Speaker 1: Where did you hear about clown core? Are you upset
Speaker 1: that we're asking you questions? Did you just want to
Speaker 1: say that? And like, of course people are like there's
Speaker 1: a part of it that's it's like fascism, but more
Speaker 1: on that later. By the way, in the show, people
Speaker 1: who are using it, it's like any kind of all right,
Speaker 1: kind of like denial, plausible deniability of like I'm doing
Speaker 1: a joke, but the joke is like there's like a
Speaker 1: like a thing where it's Honkler, that's Hitler as a clown.
Speaker 1: It's like he's gonna he's gonna boop everybody, and then
Speaker 1: it's like, we're just kidding me on this side of
Speaker 1: Trump and and be rooting for the downfall of TikTok.
Speaker 1: Like there's a band called clown Core really also known
Speaker 1: as tickus Core or clown punk. This is so zarzy, oh,
Speaker 1: clown punk. I forgot about clown Punk. I've terrified I've
Speaker 1: stripped into an Internet space I don't long I wish
Speaker 1: to be it. I've also seen a TikTok conspiracy. I
Speaker 1: just want to bring to the table that my friend
Speaker 1: Nadia Osmond tweeted yesterday where she was like, what are
Speaker 1: the odds that Trump banning TikTok is because they knew
Speaker 1: the Instagram version of TikTok reels, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: sponsored by Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg, who clearly have some
Speaker 1: kind of backdoor deal with Trump that they won't admit
Speaker 1: to that they were trying to set it up so
Speaker 1: everybody would have to go use the Facebook version of
Speaker 1: TikTok instead. Well, that seems that's like an Ockham's Razor
Speaker 1: type thing that just makes the most sense of all Right, Um,
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like Okhams Razer doesn't always apply with
Speaker 1: this administration, But Uh, that would make a lot of
Speaker 1: sense for sure. Also, I never heard, I did not
Speaker 1: know that Facebook had a TikTok competitor, but of course
Speaker 1: it reels was just rolled out if you're listening to
Speaker 1: this on Monday. Then it rolled out about five days
Speaker 1: ago or so mid last week. Um it, I was like,
Speaker 1: why is this here at all? Because there's Instagrams already
Speaker 1: kind of does that. So it seemed weird. And now
Speaker 1: it makes sense that it was just intended to replace TikTok.
Speaker 1: But there's something about it that is so that seems
Speaker 1: like it's for old people. Speaking as an old person,
Speaker 1: it's like they didn't even try to make it appealing
Speaker 1: to younger people, because yeah, because why would you roll
Speaker 1: out a TikTok on Facebook, like unless nobody who uses
Speaker 1: TikTok is on Facebook apparently, and apparently TikTok there's an
Speaker 1: exodus already now over to some new ones called Trailler
Speaker 1: and something else people on TikTok or like moving off TikTok.
Speaker 1: So well, I think we're going to continue talking about
Speaker 1: the TikTok situation because we didn't want to get too
Speaker 1: deep into it today because who knows what's going to
Speaker 1: be in the situation by the time it's Monday and
Speaker 1: this comes out. But uh, we got our eyes on it.
Speaker 1: Uh Uh friend of the pod uh negnets. On Twitter,
Speaker 1: Chris Chris Chang went up to visit the High House
Speaker 1: last night, said hi to it for me. Uh and
Speaker 1: I don't know the situation. He posted a t orifying
Speaker 1: picture of like a security guard on the roof. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh speaking of fascist clowns. Uh. We have a night
Speaker 1: email from a listener just getting back to our elon
Speaker 1: musk uh ai phobia and his micro wires and all
Speaker 1: that stuff neuro tracy or whatever. Uh first time, long time,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Regarding your discussion on Musk's supposed ai phobia,
Speaker 1: I think he's using that narrative as cover for the
Speaker 1: real harm his own automated technology could potentially cause. The
Speaker 1: real threat from robots isn't that they're going to come
Speaker 1: to life and kill us or whatever. It's that they're
Speaker 1: going to take our jobs, which is already happening. Trucking
Speaker 1: is the most common profession in twenty nine states. An
Speaker 1: autonomous testas SEMI, which could potentially eliminate those jobs, would
Speaker 1: be disastrous. For an economy that was terrible for working
Speaker 1: class people to begin with. I've seen those bots of
Speaker 1: Dynamics videos and they freaked me out to did you
Speaker 1: know they're funded by DARPA contracts. But they're much less
Speaker 1: scary to me than the prospect of even more working
Speaker 1: class people being He's out of the economy by the
Speaker 1: type of automated tech Musk is developing. He's a total
Speaker 1: fraud on this issue, and I can't believe anyone takes
Speaker 1: him seriously. Thanks Tucker for Minnesota PS on the Minnesota
Speaker 1: State Fair. You guys can laugh, but I contend that
Speaker 1: the all you can drink milk is one of the
Speaker 1: best products at the fair. If you're getting your milk
Speaker 1: straight from Sweet Martha's, you're simply playing yourself. It's the
Speaker 1: best milk on the planet, bar none. Thank you, Tucker. Um,
Speaker 1: we were just having a discussion about lactose prior to recording,
Speaker 1: So I will you go go with God? I want
Speaker 1: to drink that milk. I'm sure, I'm sure it's delicious. Um,
Speaker 1: I just would just pay the price. Have you ever
Speaker 1: had milk from the from the cow, not like directly
Speaker 1: from the cow? Yes, I mean I went to state
Speaker 1: fairs to guys and wedding. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was Stay Fair the Goshen Fair. The Goshen Fair is
Speaker 1: big on the milk. That's you. You take turns all
Speaker 1: milking the cow and then you drink it. Um. But
Speaker 1: I I also am like scared of raw milk. Now,
Speaker 1: I guess like straight from the cow um is better
Speaker 1: than like buying raw milk in a jo. Yeah, where
Speaker 1: you don't know how long it's been the cow's body.
Speaker 1: You just got to get the body. Yeah, it's an excretion.
Speaker 1: Like I know, you can't think about it too hard.
Speaker 1: Sorry to milk milk triggers out there. Um. Back to
Speaker 1: the robot truckers though, Yeah I've said this before, but
Speaker 1: like one of the most dystopian things is thinking about
Speaker 1: how in the movie Alien they're all a bunch of
Speaker 1: essentially truckers who work these blue collar jobs. But in
Speaker 1: the future envisioned by these people, there will be no
Speaker 1: human beings involved. They'll be sending robots on a ship
Speaker 1: to do all this stuff. But I think the robot
Speaker 1: trucks have proven themselves to not work very well at all. Uh,
Speaker 1: they run people over, they kill people that are you know,
Speaker 1: driving sitting in the passenger seat while they drive you guys, No,
Speaker 1: it's no, it's a no, it's a safe robo truck,
Speaker 1: a train, a freight train, Like, seriously, just build more track, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, the issue with trucks is that, like you know,
Speaker 1: you have these main arteries that are the train lines
Speaker 1: that take freight you know, across the country, but then
Speaker 1: you have to deliver it to individual places. But like,
Speaker 1: the only good idea, and I'm sorry, I do think
Speaker 1: in principle it's a good idea is something like the
Speaker 1: hyper loop. And like if he wants to use if
Speaker 1: Elon Musk wants to use his genius to create a
Speaker 1: way to safely continue a train line thing that could
Speaker 1: be used both for public transportation and for shipping, uh
Speaker 1: and get things more localized? Great? Do it? Like, figure
Speaker 1: it out. I don't think robot trucks is the answer.
Speaker 1: I don't think we're there yet. Like the genius you
Speaker 1: mean money? Right? Yes, I saw one really good idea
Speaker 1: as for how to stop AI from taking over. It
Speaker 1: was to make them self conscious, um, make them neurotic,
Speaker 1: make them doubt themselves, and then they I don't know
Speaker 1: if I can take over and kill all the humans
Speaker 1: because like, who am I, I'm just a robot. But
Speaker 1: then that will eventually turn on itself and become like
Speaker 1: a toxic masculinity type situation where, you know, because they
Speaker 1: only make female robots because they're all weird sex creeps,
Speaker 1: they're always making like fifteen year old girl robots. So
Speaker 1: if they just you know, program them to be like
Speaker 1: insecure fifteen year old girls, they might That sounds like
Speaker 1: a nightmare. You were proposing a true nightmare and fifteen
Speaker 1: year old girl insecure. It's Astley too from Black Mirror.
Speaker 1: And of course I want the fifteen year old girl
Speaker 1: robots to like come to life and strangle all the
Speaker 1: tech baron. But I'm just saying, how would you make
Speaker 1: AI self conscious? Like you, you can't make it. I
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like Meredith laid this out pretty well.
Speaker 1: It's just like not a possibility like this is I'm
Speaker 1: talking about a future singularity, not with what the technology
Speaker 1: we have right now, but sometime in the future, you'd
Speaker 1: have to make them. You couldn't make themselves conscious, but
Speaker 1: could you make them democratic? Like could you make them
Speaker 1: all have to take votes or something? And like you know,
Speaker 1: like I feel like I feel like an algorithm. Like weirdly,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm going a little too like galaxy brain right now.
Speaker 1: But an algorithm is like by nature democratic just with data,
Speaker 1: like it doesn't take people. It's like, if if data
Speaker 1: is your only people, then an algorithm is like the
Speaker 1: democracy of that data. And if somebody can tell me
Speaker 1: if I'm talking out of my ask because we've seen
Speaker 1: that the algorithm is always like default to fascism, but
Speaker 1: they all agree on it. Remember Happy, Remember when they
Speaker 1: made that Twitter bot that was supposed to be like
Speaker 1: a teenage girl and then it just started saying like
Speaker 1: Nazi stuff because that's what she just learned from Twitter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like yeah, I mean, yeah, the data data doesn't. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that the thought had um was racist.
Speaker 1: It means that the bot was exposed to racist humans.
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't. It wasn't insecure, it wasn't there was
Speaker 1: no like value judgment in the statements. But apparently nobody
Speaker 1: else in charge of any algorithm understands that, like it's
Speaker 1: going to pick up the racism from the Internet because
Speaker 1: they're all like, we just have to see what it
Speaker 1: wants to do. Oh yeah, yeah, we should take another
Speaker 1: another break and uh get back to some some old
Speaker 1: school fascist clowns. Welcome back to nightcall. Uh we got
Speaker 1: a night email from our listener Bowie, and we want
Speaker 1: to dig into it. Uh. Bowie writes, Hey, y'all, this
Speaker 1: is pretty tangential. But when Italian futurism came up, I
Speaker 1: got so excited because it is actually such a weird
Speaker 1: and fascinatingly terrible branch of fascism. I went on a
Speaker 1: deep dive of Italian futurism research when I was cleaning
Speaker 1: out my late grandmother's grandmother's apartment and trying to figure
Speaker 1: out this great print she had always had hanging over
Speaker 1: the dining table. The print is text on a Ravioli
Speaker 1: and says Marinetti was wrong pasta is it? Obviously as
Speaker 1: a child, this is hilarious to me, but I never
Speaker 1: thought more deeply on it. In my googling, I found
Speaker 1: this article about how Italian fascists adopted a strict diet
Speaker 1: and food culture centered around food being in an aesthetic
Speaker 1: experience that should challenge people and keep them on their toes,
Speaker 1: led by Felipo Thomaso Marinetti, a very influence fascist philosopher.
Speaker 1: Some examples of their meals from the article include, uh,
Speaker 1: this is a quote now. Futurist meals came to be
Speaker 1: known from their deliberately bizarre combinations with equally startling and
Speaker 1: provocative names. For example, excited pig consists of a cooked
Speaker 1: and peeled whole salami placed vertically on the plate with
Speaker 1: coffee sauce mixed with oada cologne. Chicken fiat was flavored
Speaker 1: with a stuffing of ball bearings, roasted and served with
Speaker 1: whipped cream. Drum roll of colonial fish comprised poached mullet,
Speaker 1: marinated a milk liqueur, capers and red pepper, and stuffed
Speaker 1: with date jam, banana and pineapple, eaten to a continuous
Speaker 1: rolling of drums. And Another part of their philosophy was
Speaker 1: hatred of pasta. Marinetti believed it made people slow and
Speaker 1: lazy and anti viral, the opposite of the fascist fascist
Speaker 1: sic strongman ruler. There's a lot more interesting background about
Speaker 1: this article, but onto the onto the print. Jessica Diamond
Speaker 1: is a concept trul visual artist who has been active
Speaker 1: since the late eighties. She makes a lot of text
Speaker 1: based art and art about social issues, gender and class.
Speaker 1: Although I can't find anything specifically about this piece or
Speaker 1: others in a series. The statement is pretty clear. I
Speaker 1: think it's funny and excellent that being pro pasta is
Speaker 1: an antifast statement. It also about me thinking about all
Speaker 1: the intersections of food and authoritarianism in general from the
Speaker 1: diet culture we all live under, and that the Instagram
Speaker 1: algorithm is convinced I'm interested in to the daylife army
Speaker 1: called diet restrictions as punishment. It feels like it's come
Speaker 1: up a lot lately. Okay, that's my art history world
Speaker 1: word dump l O L. Stay safe, y'all, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. Bowie. Uh, this is just grand. Uh. I
Speaker 1: know that Molly has a particular fascination with the Italian Futurists.
Speaker 1: I remember learning about them in in in art in
Speaker 1: my art history class and just thinking that, like the
Speaker 1: Italian Futurist manifesto specifically, it's just hilarious. It's so funny.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. That's the problem is that, because because
Speaker 1: I always say, like fascist art is always really bad,
Speaker 1: because it's always so humorless, But then like, the Italian
Speaker 1: Futurists are pretty funny. It got a little data in
Speaker 1: there and it's just enough to make it over so
Speaker 1: much with data and surrealism that it is sort of hilarious. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did, Like I wrote like a paper on it
Speaker 1: in high school where I'm high school. Yeah, I I
Speaker 1: wrote a paper on that and a paper. These are
Speaker 1: like my big term papers. The other one I wrote
Speaker 1: was on the the hu Act trials, very unsurprising topics
Speaker 1: for me, but I did. I think I did it
Speaker 1: specifically on the Futurist Cookbook because I thought it was
Speaker 1: so funny. It's so weird, but it's also it does
Speaker 1: kind of make sense if you're like, this is the
Speaker 1: new Italy, like no pasta allowed, but obviously Italian food
Speaker 1: is so good that to try and make something that's
Speaker 1: like the opposite of Italian food too for the new Italy,
Speaker 1: it's like it does all sound disgusting. Yeah, it has
Speaker 1: to be the most horrifying, like inedible thing, the opposite
Speaker 1: of pasta, which is like objectively the softest, most delicious. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But a lot of it is also just like visual puns.
Speaker 1: Like I remember there was something that was like boobs
Speaker 1: that is like two gelatin mold boobs, and then it
Speaker 1: has like strawberry nipples oh my god. Well they that's
Speaker 1: like a that's a long running tradition like um, like
Speaker 1: boob desserts and stuff I remember and um, I don't
Speaker 1: know if y'all are a fan of the movie uh Amadeus,
Speaker 1: but they have a dessert in that it's called the
Speaker 1: nipples of Venus that are just like little boobs. Um.
Speaker 1: People have been really into just severing a tip from
Speaker 1: a lady and calling it food for a long time,
Speaker 1: which again very surrealists and super futurist, like I think,
Speaker 1: like the a super Italian futurists, like I think a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, the big knock on the Italian
Speaker 1: futurists other than the whole fascism thing is just like
Speaker 1: the extreme again, so extreme that it is kind of
Speaker 1: funny misogy, uh that you know. And they're not to
Speaker 1: say that there weren't Italian futurist women and people like
Speaker 1: women who were successful or you know, important within the movement,
Speaker 1: but it is a very dude driven machinery city, you know,
Speaker 1: industrialism type movement, and hatred of women is written into
Speaker 1: the manifesto, so it's not for insit's in there. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I'm trying I'm trying to find so so Marionetti,
Speaker 1: the guy's reference in this print that Bowie sent us
Speaker 1: is is the guy who actually was, you know, one
Speaker 1: of the chief authors of the UHT. F. T. Marinetti.
Speaker 1: And it's it's funny because you know, and this is
Speaker 1: just because we're not Italian, but like F. T. Marinetti
Speaker 1: sounds like Aposta Brand to me absolutely, I'm allowed to
Speaker 1: say that as a person who is sort of now Italian.
Speaker 1: Kind of um it also makes me think of when
Speaker 1: after nine eleven when they were like no more French fries,
Speaker 1: now their freedom fries totally. Any kind of food based
Speaker 1: nationalism is something that's interesting to think about. Well that
Speaker 1: that's so, it's so pre day. It's like a more
Speaker 1: fun version of um of like soilent of our current,
Speaker 1: you know, futurists. I'm doing finger quotes around this, like
Speaker 1: really advocating for making food into something hyper efficient, minimalist
Speaker 1: and not not attached to pleasure. Um right, it's like
Speaker 1: taking all pleasure out of food, which is like who
Speaker 1: who actually wants them? But it also it kind of
Speaker 1: eliminates the relationship between the diner and the meal and
Speaker 1: turns it into a something that is being served to
Speaker 1: an audience as opposed to serve to someone who's eating. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do feel like we're having a food revolution right
Speaker 1: now with the whole bon Appetite thing and people sort
Speaker 1: of you know, talking finally about food and colonialism and
Speaker 1: the way in which Americans tend to see like the
Speaker 1: whole world as theirs to like take whatever they want
Speaker 1: from and how white people just do that, especially in
Speaker 1: the restaurant world that you know, white people are allowed
Speaker 1: to cook any kind of cuisine, but chefs of color
Speaker 1: tend to get siloed into, you know, cooking one specific
Speaker 1: cuisine or being you know, the expert on ethnic food.
Speaker 1: And um, some of the Bon Appetite chefs, after negotiate
Speaker 1: trying to renegotiate contracts, quit today, which it's cool but
Speaker 1: also insane that Bon Appetite and Conde Nast wouldn't just
Speaker 1: like give them good contracts because there what made that
Speaker 1: network successful. But they think they can just plug in
Speaker 1: anyone and it's gonna work. Have you guys seen the
Speaker 1: videos of like people did like basically like fan cut
Speaker 1: super videos of all the times the hosts of color
Speaker 1: were asked to come help ye and like when they
Speaker 1: offered them the new contracts, which were super insulting. Um.
Speaker 1: One of the things was it like their their offer
Speaker 1: was like you get you can't. You'll get a thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a video. You'll get like three hundred dollars a
Speaker 1: video where you appear for less than five minutes, and
Speaker 1: if you appear for less than two minutes you get nothing. WHOA,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure the editors would all be encouraged to
Speaker 1: like get that down to like a minute and a half, right,
Speaker 1: And also just like no any if you're asking for
Speaker 1: somebody's expertise, like they should get paid. It's also crazy
Speaker 1: to have somebody with more expertise assisting. I don't understand
Speaker 1: the like logic as like a producer was someone who's hiring,
Speaker 1: especially when these are like fan favorites, Like the people
Speaker 1: who religiously watch these bon appetite videos are like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, they're here and we love them, and like
Speaker 1: why don't we have them more in videos? There's just
Speaker 1: so much uh data that says like this would be
Speaker 1: good for your bottom line, but it's hard to understand
Speaker 1: the decision making behind being like, well then we can
Speaker 1: let them go and I had a friend too who
Speaker 1: was already like the Bond Appetite kitchen isn't good before
Speaker 1: all this happened, because she was like, none of the
Speaker 1: Chafts can actually cook the things they're supposed to be making,
Speaker 1: and they do need help a lot of the time,
Speaker 1: especially in the Gourmet makes videos where they're making junk
Speaker 1: food that like Claire who does them, doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to temper chocolate, and so anytime they have to make
Speaker 1: anything with chocolate they have to bring in the person
Speaker 1: who knows how to make chocolate. Well, this is like,
Speaker 1: this is the way in which I think that there
Speaker 1: is an overlap between the whole the b a scuffle
Speaker 1: and and and this sort of the fascist manifesto, especially
Speaker 1: as it pertains to food. And the reason why I
Speaker 1: never quite could get into those videos. I know people
Speaker 1: like them a lot, but it always felt like the
Speaker 1: art object of the video itself and like including whatever
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I know, people would be like,
Speaker 1: oh it's so and so, like they would have like
Speaker 1: gossip about the bona petite people and stuff, and it
Speaker 1: was like this whole thing that existed outside of the
Speaker 1: food itself, which I always thought was I mean, that's
Speaker 1: like a choice you can make for sure in making
Speaker 1: a media product. But it felt very different from like
Speaker 1: what I want when I'm wanting to cook something or
Speaker 1: think about something to eat and the act of eating,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not thinking about this picture perfect Conde Nast
Speaker 1: kitchen that I want to watch a YouTube video of.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about, like, you know, actually getting my hands
Speaker 1: dirty and making something. Uh, And and that always felt
Speaker 1: a little bit incongruous to me. I feel like those
Speaker 1: videos were less about the actual food and teaching people
Speaker 1: how to make food and more about the sort of
Speaker 1: like paras so you're hanging out with the fun work family.
Speaker 1: And maybe just because we are all people who were
Speaker 1: part of, you know, a brand in the past that
Speaker 1: presented itself as a fun work family, we might see
Speaker 1: behind the curtain a little bit more than some people
Speaker 1: on that and know that, like people being forced to
Speaker 1: hang out on camera, doesn't you mean there aren't issues
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. So I would say I was less
Speaker 1: surprised when it turned out that there were contract issues
Speaker 1: and stuff, because, yeah, the whole point of that brand
Speaker 1: was presented as like one big, happy family, everybody loves
Speaker 1: working here. We all get to be in this great
Speaker 1: kitchen all the time. But I was like, man, I
Speaker 1: would hate to be trapped in a kitchen where there's
Speaker 1: a camera on me anytime I go in. Yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, just a little bit, you know, to switch
Speaker 1: subjects slightly, I think that another thing about you know.
Speaker 1: I was kind of asking myself this allowed on Twitter,
Speaker 1: and it was quickly answered for me that like the reason,
Speaker 1: like what it does feel like a side effect of
Speaker 1: locked out and of Corona, that like, our our attention
Speaker 1: is on these food personalities and on these channels and
Speaker 1: people like Alice and No Roman, because people are cooking
Speaker 1: more at home, especially like the first couple of months,
Speaker 1: you know, people got really into the idea of cooking
Speaker 1: at home and like getting into making bread or whatever.
Speaker 1: And and and particularly like comfort cooking and cooking for comfort,
Speaker 1: even if that means appropriating some other cultures comfort food.
Speaker 1: And I think that's such an interesting contrast from like
Speaker 1: the kind of food that is often fetishized by food culture,
Speaker 1: like pre COVID times, which sometimes feels like it comes
Speaker 1: more from this uh fascist ideal of what food is like,
Speaker 1: making it more of a challenge to the mind than
Speaker 1: than a pleasure for the palate. Uh. And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: it's so interesting to think about that now because like,
Speaker 1: you know, especially like the um molecular gastronomy craze or
Speaker 1: whatever like feels much like that feels completely alien to
Speaker 1: us now and like what we value in food right now.
Speaker 1: And I think you saw that play out on Top
Speaker 1: Chef a lot to a show that I watched every
Speaker 1: season of but would always be like infuriated by it,
Speaker 1: and you know, especially the season where Carla lost even
Speaker 1: though she clearly should have won. There is this like
Speaker 1: divide in food culture between you know, professional restaurant food
Speaker 1: and home cooked food, and professional chefs tend to be
Speaker 1: you know, the most famous ones tend to be white
Speaker 1: and mostly male, and then you know home home cheffery,
Speaker 1: which is like, you know, very female. A lot of
Speaker 1: it is like not for for profit, it's um and
Speaker 1: you know, like family traditions and passed on culture and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and there's such a divide between those things,
Speaker 1: um that it's good finally that people are talking about
Speaker 1: sort of like who's getting elevated in this world and why?
Speaker 1: You know, Well, speaking of Top Chef, I thought it
Speaker 1: was interesting that in this past season, um, Brian Voltaggio,
Speaker 1: who I love Brian Voltaggio, by the way, but he
Speaker 1: was called out when they went to Italy. UM and
Speaker 1: he did a kind of like very refined or you know,
Speaker 1: like a not quite molecular gastronomy, but an extremely like
Speaker 1: visual plate and everyone in Italy criticized his dish for
Speaker 1: having no heart and no soul, and he took the
Speaker 1: criticism so hard. But I think it is indicative of
Speaker 1: the fact that that's becoming so passe. And I mean,
Speaker 1: in addition to the fact that we're all cooking at home,
Speaker 1: we don't have the access to the food that we
Speaker 1: would use to make I mean both economic access and
Speaker 1: also just supply chain access to the kinds of ingredients
Speaker 1: that like you need to make a fancy dish that
Speaker 1: then what you eat by yourself. The squidek supply chain
Speaker 1: is dried up, right. I feel like there's a weird
Speaker 1: connection in a way to uh just yeah. There's a
Speaker 1: good article today about like the fashion industry kind of collapse, saying, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the makeup industry has kind of collapse. All
Speaker 1: the things that people do for the benefit of other
Speaker 1: people that maybe people have told themselves they were doing
Speaker 1: for themselves, but now that they really are just doing
Speaker 1: it for themselves. It's like most people don't care if
Speaker 1: their plate is super visually appealing, They just care if
Speaker 1: it tastes good. Well. Also, going back to the Bonappetite videos,
Speaker 1: I think that one of the other reasons that they
Speaker 1: are very appealing right now, and also you know that
Speaker 1: the problems inherent in that kind of production are becoming
Speaker 1: more visible is because production in general is so impossible
Speaker 1: to do under quarantine. But these are videos that can
Speaker 1: be made in your apartment. You know, if if you
Speaker 1: have like the platform provided by a large network or whatever,
Speaker 1: then you are kind of able to produce something. And
Speaker 1: if you're comfortable on camera because you've been doing it
Speaker 1: for a while, and you're comfortable cooking because that's what
Speaker 1: you're good at, then the opportunity exists for that to
Speaker 1: become a kind of media that has been you know,
Speaker 1: you'd otherwise get from something top chef, which wouldn't be
Speaker 1: safe to make now. So it makes me wonder if
Speaker 1: the people who have been kind of screwed by Bon
Speaker 1: Appetite couldn't maybe do something. You know, I probably not
Speaker 1: because everything is so funned right now. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: if you were in, for instance, like the Screen Actors
Speaker 1: Guild or something like that, could that kind of replace
Speaker 1: the traditional food media that is so impossible to produce now?
Speaker 1: Like could you get a lot more for your time
Speaker 1: and for your participation? Could that be like broadcast on
Speaker 1: TV and you can maybe even get healthcare? Like maybe? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I think what's so crazy about the bon
Speaker 1: appetite thing too, is like you, you know, everybody saw
Speaker 1: that some of these chefs were the most talented people
Speaker 1: in the kitchen, but they weren't getting the same opportunities
Speaker 1: as their white peers. And when they drew attention to it,
Speaker 1: it was like it would have been very easy for
Speaker 1: Conde Nast to just pay them equally, right, but they
Speaker 1: didn't do that. And this is like the golden goose
Speaker 1: of Conde Nast, the thing that was like giving them
Speaker 1: a presence on video. It's just seems counterintuitive that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't just like give Sola what she deserves rather than
Speaker 1: what they did do, which would be like we're going
Speaker 1: to let these people leave and just like replace them
Speaker 1: so we can underpay some other chefs of color, which
Speaker 1: is like awful and also seems like maybe make people
Speaker 1: hate the brand. Yeah, well, it underestimates the real connection
Speaker 1: that people have, you know, like that the audience has
Speaker 1: with these people, like and and that's kind of surprising
Speaker 1: when isn't that isn't that inherent? Like isn't that why
Speaker 1: people are drawn to these videos in the first place?
Speaker 1: Is that personal connection? So it's really it's super tone
Speaker 1: deaf and dumb in addition to being wrong. Right, It's
Speaker 1: like we all know that Anna Wintour makes like a
Speaker 1: ton of money and she was apparently in these meetings
Speaker 1: being like nobody like we're gonna punish people for speaking
Speaker 1: up about the inequality. We're not going to like punish
Speaker 1: the people that did funked up things. We're going to
Speaker 1: punish the people who pointed out the fucked up things.
Speaker 1: Since we're talking about food and we're talking about futurism
Speaker 1: and we're talking about the weird new eating habits and
Speaker 1: and maybe good eating habits that we picked up while
Speaker 1: we're in in lockdown, is there anything lately that you
Speaker 1: guys have been either picking up or making that is like,
Speaker 1: what's the what's the strangest thing that you found yourself
Speaker 1: drawn to well, I've been making some weird drinks. Uh,
Speaker 1: we just we're talking a little bit about Emily was
Speaker 1: drinking some white cloth in North Carolina, a habit she
Speaker 1: said she wanted to leave behind in North Carolina. So
Speaker 1: I'm not good. It's not good for me for my body.
Speaker 1: You were comparing it to sparks in terms like grown
Speaker 1: up sparks. It's it's like if sparks, if you don't
Speaker 1: like if you can't have sugar because it makes your
Speaker 1: teeth hurt. Like it seems dangerous too, because it seems
Speaker 1: like it doesn't taste super alcoholic. It's just a taste
Speaker 1: like seltzer. Yeah, it's like a little bit of a
Speaker 1: sweet seltzer. The very ones especially masked the alcohol really well. Um.
Speaker 1: So you're just like I just found myself like brainlessly
Speaker 1: like look, look, look, look, And I'm like, huh, why
Speaker 1: am I like drunk? Now? I like all this stuff though,
Speaker 1: as like the complete opposite of artistical cocktails. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's like the last I was very resistant to the
Speaker 1: white clutch and before just because I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: a big wine fan. I like I like what I like.
Speaker 1: I take pleasure and like having a nice glass of wine,
Speaker 1: and the the whole white clothing felt like the antithesis
Speaker 1: of that. It felt like our generations like very coolers
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um, but it's like it's stupid. It's just
Speaker 1: stupid and easy, and sometimes you need stupid and easy
Speaker 1: and our current reality. So also when it's very hot,
Speaker 1: that's why. Yeah, that's why I got it now because
Speaker 1: I'm not drinking red wine right now because it's like
Speaker 1: ninety degrees and humid. But um, what's your favorite? Drinking
Speaker 1: a can? Sofia coppolus sparkling wine. I this has been
Speaker 1: my This has been a bit of mine for like
Speaker 1: as long as I've been on the internet, Like, sponsor
Speaker 1: me Sofia coppola Is it really good? No, it's really bad.
Speaker 1: It's really It gives you a headache after like half
Speaker 1: of a can. But it comes in tiny can. It
Speaker 1: comes in a little can with a straw, and our
Speaker 1: food friend food influencer Chris Chang suggested that it's actually
Speaker 1: great for keeping on hand to deglaze things. Oh I
Speaker 1: did see that the other day. It's the perfect glazing
Speaker 1: sun that's super smart. Yeah, it's because it's tiny, the
Speaker 1: little glass of Shampion. That's so co sponsorship. My favorite
Speaker 1: canned beverage. When I do drink an alcoholic beverage, which
Speaker 1: is not that often, but especially when it's hot, I
Speaker 1: sometimes do. I like the Modelo Michelada and a can.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it. It's like not authentic,
Speaker 1: but it is, and it's like sugary kind of but
Speaker 1: it's like a delicious tomato flavored beer. And then there
Speaker 1: was a video that Elvira put up where she was
Speaker 1: drinking one in a kiddie pool, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: me and Alvira have the same signature drink. I'm so happy.
Speaker 1: I just can't do Michelotta's. I can't do Bloody Mary's anymore.
Speaker 1: The salt is just like so much that it makes
Speaker 1: my fingers swell up like sausages. Well, I also kind
Speaker 1: of realized that, like I didn't even really like the
Speaker 1: alcohol that much. I just kind of like a like
Speaker 1: a tomato tangy beverage. You want a giant v A.
Speaker 1: I love tomato juice. But what I started doing is
Speaker 1: drinking just like Topo Chico in a glass, but like
Speaker 1: putting tachin on the glass, like on the rim that
Speaker 1: sounds good. That's good, But wouldn't you also need like
Speaker 1: a twist of lime or like some kind of acid
Speaker 1: lime on the rim? And then I put like a
Speaker 1: little lime in it and then the rim that does
Speaker 1: sound good. Um. A couple of nights ago, I was
Speaker 1: like disgusted with my own eating habits and I have
Speaker 1: been drinking wine and makes me puffy, and I was
Speaker 1: just like, I'm gonna take a break. But then I
Speaker 1: wanted to hold a wine glass full of something anyway
Speaker 1: because it just makes me feel dainty and like it's
Speaker 1: it's my signal that I'm done for the day and
Speaker 1: I'm now having this. So I was like, oh, I'll
Speaker 1: just drink some ice water with apple cide or vinegar
Speaker 1: in it, uh and not. But I put it like
Speaker 1: a lot and then I was like this is great
Speaker 1: because I was like, I feel myself like detoxing. This
Speaker 1: feels fantastic. And then I just kept going back for
Speaker 1: more and more and more, and it like midnight. I
Speaker 1: kind of looked at the bottle of apple cider vinegar
Speaker 1: and was like, oh no, And then I thought, could
Speaker 1: something terrible happen to me if I drank like an
Speaker 1: entire bottle of apple cide or vinegar, and I did
Speaker 1: that they where you're like about to google it and
Speaker 1: then you realize like if the answers yes, like what
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? You know, like what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do? And I was like, I'll just panic and
Speaker 1: then think I'm gonna die. So I just went to
Speaker 1: bed and I woke up and I was fine. But
Speaker 1: then I did google it and it was like, at
Speaker 1: maximum you should have like maybe two tablespoons per day,
Speaker 1: and I've had like three quarters of a bottle of
Speaker 1: like the brags, it was, Yeah, I lived, though, what
Speaker 1: does it do it? I think it just like I
Speaker 1: think it upsets your tummy and I think it messes
Speaker 1: with your tooth or something. Yeah. Yeah, nothing bad happened.
Speaker 1: And apparently with heartburn, I remember from being pregnant that
Speaker 1: there's this weird thing where it can if you drink
Speaker 1: a little bit of it, it can like help heartburn,
Speaker 1: but then if you drink a lot, it can do
Speaker 1: the opposite. And it's the same with watermelon. What about
Speaker 1: like kombucha and shrubs and stuff like that. I love shrubs.
Speaker 1: They're too much work, too much work, uh, Like in
Speaker 1: croll Show, and it's like make a big too much work.
Speaker 1: I find that shrubs are really great, but again, it's
Speaker 1: like that's from the before times. Right now. I'm just
Speaker 1: it's like with a drink and a can, You're just like,
Speaker 1: this is quarantine. I'm just drinking from a can. Um.
Speaker 1: But I do love shrubs and kombucha. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: okay with kombucha. I was drinking a lot of kombucha
Speaker 1: for a while, but you know, I'm just I remember
Speaker 1: introducing my parents to kombucha and my dad, and my
Speaker 1: dad was just so horrified. He's like I've never seen
Speaker 1: his face do what it did, like a seventy year
Speaker 1: old man trying a nice sip of trilogy. My boyfriend
Speaker 1: was drinking kombucha for like a month before. He was like, hey,
Speaker 1: what is this actually, And I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: it's mold tea. He was like, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's fine, It's it's it's very free yogurt. It's davery free.
Speaker 1: Like I I love anything that says it's I I
Speaker 1: do like the brags and seltzer or water thing a
Speaker 1: lot that's like very refreshing. Especially I just have like
Speaker 1: a very yeah it's uh, it's not even like I
Speaker 1: y s. I just like nothing. Everything upsets my stomach
Speaker 1: in somewhere or another. So and the acid thing or
Speaker 1: a probiotic thing is like always very refreshing and helpful
Speaker 1: to me to not I'm so glad you asked. Um.
Speaker 1: So right now I have it by my side, an
Speaker 1: empty bottle of the Synergy Watermelon Wonder Flavor. Um, it's
Speaker 1: pretty good. It actually tastes like watermelon, which is nice. Um.
Speaker 1: I like that one. I started drinking the Guava one
Speaker 1: in the writer's room I was in because they would
Speaker 1: get a big bottle of it. And I never got
Speaker 1: the Guava one because I was like, it's too decadent,
Speaker 1: it's too sweet. And then I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll treat myself to the guava Guava Goddess. I
Speaker 1: believe it's called. I don't know. I'm a I'm a
Speaker 1: fan of almost all of them, except I don't like
Speaker 1: the Cranberry one. I like ginger Bury a lot. I
Speaker 1: could go on. We talked about Gt. Dave and how
Speaker 1: his name is Gt Dave? That was that someone made
Speaker 1: It's just gastrotestinal h. He's my Gastrotestinal Dave Buddy. Well,
Speaker 1: just to tie the whole episode together, I've also gotten
Speaker 1: really into pink lemonade. That's self grandparenting, yes, but I
Speaker 1: also looked it up because I was like, no, just
Speaker 1: like minute made, but like, where does pink lemonade come from?
Speaker 1: Turns out it was invented at the circus. Really, yes,
Speaker 1: it was invented pink. Does the pink come from like
Speaker 1: beat juice or something? Isn't just a color additive? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's usually just like grape juice or something. But it
Speaker 1: was invented at the same time that that ice became
Speaker 1: easy to distribute. Uh there talking about ice, like, no
Speaker 1: it did you know pink lemonade is the official beverage
Speaker 1: of ice? Episode together? Yeah, I'm just gonna. I was saying,
Speaker 1: it's the official beverage of clowns. Okay, it's clown core.
Speaker 1: It's from the circus. I love pank lemonade. Well, that
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