WEBVTT - 122: White Claw Nights 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.240 It's eleven forty eight pm into Nopa, Nevada, and you're 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:17.360 listening to Nightcall. Hello and welcome to Nightcall, a call 0:00:17.480 --> 0:00:20.800 in show for artist Topy in Reality. My name is 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:23.560 Emily Yoshida and I am joined on the other end 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:27.960 of the line by Molly Lambert and Tess Lynch. Hi, guys, 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:31.760 so we got a nightcall that we want to kick 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:38.239 things off with about contact tracing, about UH security and Bluetooth, 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:39.599 a lot of stuff that we were talking about with 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.120 Um Meredith, our guest a couple of weeks back. So 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.839 let's kick it off. It's a little long, but you 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.880 might learn something. Hi, Nightcall pod um, But this is MO. 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:54.960 I'm in Chicago. I'm calling about the sort of semi 0:00:55.000 --> 0:01:00.760 conspiracy theory about they listening. UM. So you don't actually 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:02.360 have to go that far fit to be creepy, and 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:07.480 actually thinking that like consumer brands or like Instagram are 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:11.000 listening to your audio is actually taking it so far 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:15.199 that you're like not focusing on the right thing. Um. 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.840 And the thing that's the creepious about those is that 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:22.199 a lot of times that I would say high percent 0:01:22.240 --> 0:01:25.360 of the time that you talk about something as a 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:30.680 friend and then adds later, Um, is because your friends 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:35.520 did something related to that search and the you know 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:37.920 sort of companies that aggregate the party data and some 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:42.240 of them to brands to do advertising. Um. Uh know 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:45.480 that your phones are in proxivity. So the reason that 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.280 this is creepier than like the actual milk company listening 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:53.880 to your conversation is one, it's like, Milk is not 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:59.120 a big enough brand to be collecting your data yourself themselves, right, Um, 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.720 So it's actually creepier that there's probably arguably a company 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:08.200 not very good at their jobs, um, not very secure, uh, 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.679 who has information about phones being close to each other, 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.959 because that allows um, anyone that's access to data to 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:21.920 d anonymize geolocation data. So uh, serial geolocation marker doesn't 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:23.440 tell you a lot which if you can tell it. 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:27.000 If you can like match a geolocation marker to other people, 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:31.360 then you get much much closer to identifying an individual 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:36.640 person with a geo marker. Um. And that's really the 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.480 problematic thing is that there's a lot of these like 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:43.079 very shitty third party vendors who do marketing data, and 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.280 thankfully a lot of that is going to be ameliorated 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:51.839 with GDPR because they will get fined for being bad 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.200 at their jobs, and the thing that they're particularly bad 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.320 at is not necessarily what they do above board. It's 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:01.200 like them not having enough DevOps engineer which is security 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.520 engineers UM and leaving their data out there. Or like, 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.239 you know, a dominding client wanted to use off label uses. 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.519 I am a data scientist, ivoid clients asked me to 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:12.919 do this, I've ever done it. Um. And then another 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.200 thing I wanted to bring up is confirmation bias. UM. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.440 I would say, you know, my friends have asked me 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.880 about this, and like, I'm not pro advertising on the internet, 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:26.000 I'm not pro product usage analytics in all cases. But really, 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.200 what you're seeing when you have this hypothesis that your 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.080 phone is listening to you and then you see the 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.720 ads later is you know, it might be that your 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:35.960 friend looked it up and you're you know, the phone, 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.240 so they were near each other, so now you're cookie 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.480 is in a cookie pool for milk. But yeah, it's 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:42.400 just confirmation bias, and you kind of owe it to 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:46.920 yourself as a reasonable critical consumer to understand that your 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.120 brain is also very bad a processing information. And there's 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:54.280 this thing in statistics all the multiple comparison problem where um, 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.120 if you compare any kind of trend, the more you compare, 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:58.960 the more you're likely to find what seems like a 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.200 meaningful trying to just that rand noise. So you might 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:03.360 have seen the milk out anyway. Um so yeah, look 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.280 up conformation bias. You kind of owe it's yourself to 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:09.440 understands your brains lie a processing information. Your perception of 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.520 what you look at on the Internet. Is not great 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.880 evidence to see why the Internet is bad or why 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:18.680 Internet marketing is kind of evil, because the reasons the 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.720 Internet loveting are evil is are actually much stupider and 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.599 um much more insidious than um, my phone is listening 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.840 to me. And also the thing about Instagram, it's not 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.560 likely your phone knowing where your eyes are looking. That's 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:36.120 actually a pretty like data intensive thing. So there's likely 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:38.119 not turning it on for all users at all times. 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:40.680 I think that's the thing that's actually possible, But it 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.160 is really hard, and it would make your app noticeably 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.080 slow down what they're probably during a scroll time. Uh, 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.480 you pause in your scroll, and so any image in 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:53.760 that window when you pause your scroll will come up again. Um. 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.320 So still not great, but they don't need to turn 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.640 your camera on to do it. Um. And like the 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.200 issue with turning your camera or your sound on it's 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:05.520 not necessarily privacy things is that that data is really 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.400 intense to process. It starts to become an MP problem 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.760 for familiar with mathematics. But yeah, they're likely not listening 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.640 to you just because they're stupid, but because they're stupid, um, 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.159 they're doing even worship. So yeah, just take a little 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.240 deeper because those things about your phone listening to you 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.880 are like top level ship and you can really galaxy 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:28.040 brain on what's actually happening. Thank you so much for 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:32.080 the call. Um. This actually reminds me a part of it, 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.599 at least the part about, uh, you know, the confirmation bias, 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:37.960 right reminds me a bit of our conversation that Molly 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:40.719 and I had that we do with Colin Dicky about 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:45.160 his book The Unidentified, and he brought up the term apophenia, 0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:49.800 which is the you know, just thinking you're discovering patterns 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.760 where there are none, which I think is like something 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.839 that does like I got accused of a lot when 0:05:56.920 --> 0:06:00.599 I used to be the the Instagram add truth there. 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.840 But I think like this is super interesting, especially the 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:07.760 proximity thing because I think I don't know about you. 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:09.760 I feel like we've talked maybe a little bit about 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.440 this on and off the pod, but that our ads 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.920 are kind of weird right now, and I wonder if 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:21.360 it's because we're just not in our usual pool are 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:25.360 cookie pool, uh, with our usual friends that we have 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.960 our phones next to, And so you start to get 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.800 the really random like why why would I ever get 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.480 an ad for this thing? Because you're just kind of 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.080 on your own. But I don't know that makes sense. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.800 That's interesting. What kind of ads have you guys been 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.800 getting lately? Well, we were talking a couple of a 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:43.360 couple of weeks ago. I think about like how we 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:47.080 started to get Spanish language ads like which I get 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.440 off and on like over the years I have, but 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.280 recently I've gotten a ton of them, which I think 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.120 is sort of funny. I get those on TV shows, 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.480 but on Instagram lately, I've been getting a lot of 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:01.600 New Age stuff, which I love, Like what I got 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.839 one for a doctor in Westwood that does ketamine therapy. 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.280 I got that to my well, I got mind bloom Um, 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:13.320 which was kind of branded as like a hallucinogenic therapy 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.240 and then I was very surprised to see that it 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:19.920 was ketamine, because I guess ketamine is the only hallucinogenic substance, 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.080 which I also did not think of ketamine as being 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.400 a hallucinogenic substance. I thought of it as being a tranquilizer. 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:28.200 But um, it's the only one they're allowed to use. 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.760 So I got that as well. Yeah, I guess because 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:36.160 it's it's officially like it is FDA a proof for horses, right, 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.960 so it's not like it's a uh whatever class A 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:45.160 or whatever substance. Yeah. Um, that's fascinating. My friend Tierney 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.720 was like, Oh, I've been to that doctor and what's 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.640 the what's the verdict? People learnto ketamine therapy. I've also 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:58.480 been getting Yeah, I've also been getting ads for an 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:03.920 infrared blank Get an infrared sleeping bag that says natural 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.720 high at the foot of it. And then I went 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:10.000 down a hole about reading about infrared blankets, which is 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:14.679 like it's basically like a sweat bag. Sure that sounds awful. 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:17.040 In August, I don't want to hear about it. You know, 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.920 like convection of in yourself, you just like lightly cook 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.000 yourself for help. It's like a sauna is the idea, 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.280 and the way they market it is like, so you 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:29.000 don't have to exercise. Oh, it's like it's like it's 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:34.680 like the foil suit, except for zero physical activity. I've 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:39.040 been getting a number of ads for tremendously expensive properties 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:44.240 in semi rural locations like ranches in northern California. Here 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:48.160 the Zillo Queen like checks out. But I also figured 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.319 I thought maybe that that had something to do with 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.920 the fact that they could see how little I leave 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.000 my house and they were just like, she must be 0:08:55.160 --> 0:09:00.439 sick of her house. She must be really tired. Oh 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:03.280 my god, I'm going through my Instagram now just to 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:08.000 see what I get. My Instagram has been fairly norm 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.120 core lately, I have to say, it's just been a 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.440 lot of I get that ad for that pot, which 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.640 I'm I'm getting close to the point where I'm just 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.160 gonna get it because it's so Which one it's the 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:21.320 one that does everything? It's called with the steamer basket 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.160 in it and everything. I don't. I don't. I think 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.920 some Actually there's several brands. I should say they're they're multiple. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:31.520 One is called our Place, Yeah, which looks great. I 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.880 would like one, but well our place, you know, advertising 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:39.800 night Call podcast. Yeah, let's try it. I now believe 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:44.679 in subliminal marketing and subliminal imagery because I cooked a 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.120 recipe that turned out was on the side of a 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:49.360 cereal box on top of my fridge that I've been 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.120 looking at out of the periphery of my vision like 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.559 all the time. Recipe on the cereal box equals a 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.240 rice Crispy treat. Correct, it is a rice Crispy treat, 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.000 but it's with corn flakes. And I was like, I'm 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:02.880 just oh, that's great. I was like, I'm just gonna 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.959 try making this weird thing that I just thought of 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:07.840 that's like corn flakes and marshmallow and is a rice 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:10.560 cruspy treat. And then like a week later, I looked 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.520 at the cereal box and saw that it had the 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:15.760 recipe and I've been like looking at it constantly without 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.760 really tracking it, and I was like, wow, I am 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.120 so easily influenced. It turns out you absorbed it. UM 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.439 Going back to the call briefly, I found an article 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.320 on Privacy International dot org, which is a UM. It's 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:34.559 a UK based charity that explores issues of privacy and 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:39.280 it turns out that bluetooth tracing UM is not is 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:44.040 not considered as invasive as GPS or WiFi location gathering. UM. 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.680 It's just a question of the permissions that your apps 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.480 have and how that can be misused and the d 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:54.199 anonymizing UM prospects of that. But I noticed in this 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:58.800 article that they mentioned UM COVID contract contact tracing and 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.760 I think it was called what was it called the 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.120 Trace Together? Yes, Trace Together? That was that, thank you 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.319 so Trace Together is the one that was cited in 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.600 this article. But I noticed that I have this crime 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.040 app on my phone that I was using a lot 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.800 um during the protest to just figure out how to 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:19.199 get around without like disrupting anything. And uh, they have 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.719 there's something that I guess it's opt in that I 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:25.480 have not opted into. But it is called safe trace, 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:27.760 and it's a similar kind of thing where they give 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.520 you the stats of how many people have downloaded safe Trace, 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.319 but it enables Bluetooth to see who you've been in 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.640 contact with if you were to test positive, to do 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:40.040 contact tracing through your phone. But UM Privacy International points 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.960 out that it's really not going to be useful unless 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:46.640 everybody does it, and Trace Together I don't know how 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.760 accurate this is in terms of you know now versus 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.400 whenever this article was published, but it had been downloaded 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.840 by only of the population, which would mean that it's 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.079 largely useless. Um. It depends on how many people opt in. 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.040 But it was interesting to kind of, as we spoke 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.840 about with Meredith, think about the Beaco systems, the hidden 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:09.120 beacons that are communicating with your Bluetooth if it is 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:13.000 turned on, and the information that companies can get from that. 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.280 UM and it's it's like with Instagram when you pause 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.200 your scroll when you're in a store and you pause 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.320 your role and you're in an aisle and you stop, 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.679 then that communicates to a beacon that you're interested in 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.240 a product, which is then communicated to the company. A 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.520 little nice in mazes. Yeah, yeah, And this is a 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:36.319 little bit of UM what Meredith was talking about with 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:41.199 the the Bluetooth tracing and the flaws, and it obviously 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.840 like if it'll show that you're in proximity with somebody 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.040 that you're not necessarily in proximity with, say if you're 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.000 like in cars on a freeway where you're you know, 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.160 technically a few feet apart, but definitely not in each 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:57.280 other's bubble. Um. Yeah, it just seems like the option 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.240 problem is is the problem as has been like everything 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:03.120 with COVID in the United States, like masks don't really 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.800 work if not everybody's opting in on like you know, 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:08.839 a large scale uh, you know, all all of it 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:13.040 takes a large scale buy in for it to be effective. 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.920 And it's really hard when you're asking people who are 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:20.520 we already don't trust all of these tracking technologies and 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:24.480 add technologies and stuff, and then you know, I don't know, 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.559 it's a it's a lot to ask. It also, weirdly 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:33.800 seems very invasive to get information about who you're with 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:37.040 versus just where exactly you are. To me, the story 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.440 that that can tell seems like it could be used 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.320 in a lot more nefarious ways than just like where 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.199 you are as an individual. It's like who you're potentially 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.360 with and like you said, you know, if that's miscommunicated 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:52.920 or misconstrued by data, not not even by a person 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.520 interpreting it, but just that you were definitely with this person. Um. 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.840 But it was also just such an interesting call because 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:04.000 is it does away with one conspiracy theory but opens 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.720 up a door to a much more complex conspiracy theory. 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.000 And uh when when the caller said something like, well, 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:12.880 if you understand math at all, I was like, well 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:19.880 that makes it harder that NP or whatever value. Well, um, 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.800 we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back, 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.920 we're gonna take a trek to a haunted clown hotel 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:43.640 just to mix it up. Welcome back tonight, call um. 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:49.120 We have been just inundated with people who want us 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:55.120 to talk about the haunted clown Motel in Nevada. Um. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:59.000 And so we decided it was time to take a 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.200 trip to the clown Hotel, which is just called the 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.160 clown Motel. That's not like that is what the sign 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:08.840 says on it, which is kind of incredible. Um. But 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:11.840 test you did some research on the history of the 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:18.160 clown Motel and where some of its ghosts might have originated. Yes, 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.840 so thank you to everyone who knew we would love 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:25.080 the clown Motel. We do. It is it's love is 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:29.560 the right word, but loving the idea. It's it belongs 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.480 to our it's under our umbrella. It's like holding the 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.160 stem of the umbrella for us. Um. So this is 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.560 a clown motel. It has six hundred clowns um on 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.880 the premises. The New York Post covered it last month 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.520 and it is a does it it's a landmark. People 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.480 know about the clown motel. So it was sold last 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.760 year and apparently only has happy clowns on the site, 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:57.080 but there have been more clowns added since the sale. UM. 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.480 But the reason that it's haunted, besides the fact that 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.200 it's obviously terrifying to be in a motel filled with clowns, 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.760 is that it's located directly next door to a graveyard 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.120 UM that is mostly filled with the bodies of people 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:14.520 who died in a mysterious plague in nineteen o two. Uh, 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:19.200 and it looks super abandoned. It's just like completely flat 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:23.960 gray dirt. It's really it's a real kind of characterists graveyard, 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.680 which makes it more terrifying. But I looked to see 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.520 if I could find more information on this plague and 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:35.560 I found this nineteen o five newspaper article from the 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.800 Los Angeles Herald Um. The headline is to Nopa plague 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:44.120 is pneumonia. Physician says reports are exaggerated. Sickness affects adults. 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:46.920 And I showed it to Emily. It's like it does 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.600 it looks like microfiche, but I just kind of copied 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:53.520 some of the text. But um, there was it. I 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:57.160 guess it occurred in a Nevada mining camp and um 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.640 this One physician from Tonopa who had later moved to 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.359 Los Angeles, says, quote, it is not the black plague, 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.919 nor any other kind of plague, but simply an acute 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:10.399 pneumonia of a very severe type. I myself suffered from 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.000 it for three weeks, and I am now in Los 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:15.200 Angeles to recuperate. The sickness is believed to be due 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.720 to the lack of sanitary conditions, and a sufficient sum 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.439 of money has been raised by public subscription to thoroughly 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:24.080 cleanse the town. The disease, strangely enough, attacks only grown men. 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.760 It became prevalent in the latter part of February, but 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:28.959 is now well under control, and the many people who 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.720 left the camp are now returning. In the early history 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.480 of to Nopa, the town underwent a similar epidemic, which 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.119 failed to affect women and children. Other camps have not 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:40.159 been affected personally. I think this is probably due to 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.640 some climactic condition with which we are not familiar. So Tess, 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.920 are you bringing this to our attention because you believe 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:50.360 this is like like an early prototype of coronavirus. Well 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.880 not exactly, but it does kind of cracking this wide 0:17:55.920 --> 0:18:00.359 open look at that. UM. I recently read kind of 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.879 thing about how coronavirus is cycling through UM. They have 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.320 like an like an alphabetical kind of thing of the 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.640 strains starting from A, and someone hypothesized that we're currently 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.760 between like F and M. I'm not sure that stuff 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:17.200 makes me want to like dive into the ocean. Yeah, 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:21.879 I can't deal with the different strains of of COVID. 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.480 I can't believe you found something scarier than a clown grave. 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.840 I thought it was gonna be. I once read a 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.919 journal about clowning at a library and there was an 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.240 obituary section in the back and it was called the 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:39.920 Last Walk Around. Oh dear, I think about that a lot, 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:44.480 the last lockground. UM, it just I don't think now. 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:49.560 I think having read that article, probably the clown Motel 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.600 has become pushed even further down the list of places 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:56.320 I would ever stay, just being like cool. A sort 0:18:56.359 --> 0:19:01.120 of timely plague occurred right next door. But if you've 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.960 ever been to the clown Motels, please let us. Know 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:06.960 this is going to lead to us talking about clown core, 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.520 which is a thing. Now tell me about clown core. Oh, 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.680 it's just like it sounds. It's just cottage core but 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:18.560 for clowning. So is everything? I'm sorry pretrin roll here. 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:22.000 I have questions? Is it everything Colka dots? Is it 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:27.640 Giant knows lamps? In? Clown core? Is clown core? Yeah? 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:31.000 So is it just being a juggalo? Yeah? It's mostly 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:35.720 about just saying honk a lot. What that's goose core? 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:44.320 Like honk like like on a clown car, like clown car? Honk? 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.320 Where did you hear about clown core? Are you upset 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:49.440 that we're asking you questions? Did you just want to 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:53.200 say that? And like, of course people are like there's 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.200 a part of it that's it's like fascism, but more 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.399 on that later. By the way, in the show, people 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:04.160 who are using it, it's like any kind of all right, 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:07.920 kind of like denial, plausible deniability of like I'm doing 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.119 a joke, but the joke is like there's like a 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.240 like a thing where it's Honkler, that's Hitler as a clown. 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.080 It's like he's gonna he's gonna boop everybody, and then 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:22.200 it's like, we're just kidding me on this side of 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:25.840 Trump and and be rooting for the downfall of TikTok. 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:32.600 Like there's a band called clown Core really also known 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:36.040 as tickus Core or clown punk. This is so zarzy, oh, 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:40.680 clown punk. I forgot about clown Punk. I've terrified I've 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.200 stripped into an Internet space I don't long I wish 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.000 to be it. I've also seen a TikTok conspiracy. I 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.000 just want to bring to the table that my friend 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:51.919 Nadia Osmond tweeted yesterday where she was like, what are 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:55.560 the odds that Trump banning TikTok is because they knew 0:20:55.760 --> 0:21:00.320 the Instagram version of TikTok reels, which is, you know, 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:04.200 sponsored by Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg, who clearly have some 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:06.760 kind of backdoor deal with Trump that they won't admit 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.399 to that they were trying to set it up so 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:12.560 everybody would have to go use the Facebook version of 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:17.520 TikTok instead. Well, that seems that's like an Ockham's Razor 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:20.920 type thing that just makes the most sense of all Right, Um, 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.399 sometimes I feel like Okhams Razer doesn't always apply with 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:27.760 this administration, But Uh, that would make a lot of 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:30.680 sense for sure. Also, I never heard, I did not 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.360 know that Facebook had a TikTok competitor, but of course 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:36.800 it reels was just rolled out if you're listening to 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:40.600 this on Monday. Then it rolled out about five days 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:44.800 ago or so mid last week. Um it, I was like, 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:49.240 why is this here at all? Because there's Instagrams already 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:51.720 kind of does that. So it seemed weird. And now 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.520 it makes sense that it was just intended to replace TikTok. 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:58.199 But there's something about it that is so that seems 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.920 like it's for old people. Speaking as an old person, 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.680 it's like they didn't even try to make it appealing 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:08.160 to younger people, because yeah, because why would you roll 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:14.320 out a TikTok on Facebook, like unless nobody who uses 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:19.439 TikTok is on Facebook apparently, and apparently TikTok there's an 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:23.240 exodus already now over to some new ones called Trailler 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:28.600 and something else people on TikTok or like moving off TikTok. 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:31.440 So well, I think we're going to continue talking about 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:34.399 the TikTok situation because we didn't want to get too 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:37.960 deep into it today because who knows what's going to 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:39.560 be in the situation by the time it's Monday and 0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:43.000 this comes out. But uh, we got our eyes on it. 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:48.480 Uh Uh friend of the pod uh negnets. On Twitter, 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:51.960 Chris Chris Chang went up to visit the High House 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:57.119 last night, said hi to it for me. Uh and 0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:00.359 I don't know the situation. He posted a t orifying 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:03.440 picture of like a security guard on the roof. Yeah. 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:08.640 Uh speaking of fascist clowns. Uh. We have a night 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:12.800 email from a listener just getting back to our elon 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:17.480 musk uh ai phobia and his micro wires and all 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:21.680 that stuff neuro tracy or whatever. Uh first time, long time, 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:25.960 blah blah blah. Regarding your discussion on Musk's supposed ai phobia, 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:28.200 I think he's using that narrative as cover for the 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:32.000 real harm his own automated technology could potentially cause. The 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:34.600 real threat from robots isn't that they're going to come 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:36.520 to life and kill us or whatever. It's that they're 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:39.199 going to take our jobs, which is already happening. Trucking 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:41.679 is the most common profession in twenty nine states. An 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:45.600 autonomous testas SEMI, which could potentially eliminate those jobs, would 0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:47.880 be disastrous. For an economy that was terrible for working 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:50.720 class people to begin with. I've seen those bots of 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:53.399 Dynamics videos and they freaked me out to did you 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:56.520 know they're funded by DARPA contracts. But they're much less 0:23:56.520 --> 0:23:59.080 scary to me than the prospect of even more working 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:01.119 class people being He's out of the economy by the 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:04.040 type of automated tech Musk is developing. He's a total 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:06.080 fraud on this issue, and I can't believe anyone takes 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:11.120 him seriously. Thanks Tucker for Minnesota PS on the Minnesota 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:13.480 State Fair. You guys can laugh, but I contend that 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:14.920 the all you can drink milk is one of the 0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:17.320 best products at the fair. If you're getting your milk 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.080 straight from Sweet Martha's, you're simply playing yourself. It's the 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:24.480 best milk on the planet, bar none. Thank you, Tucker. Um, 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:29.240 we were just having a discussion about lactose prior to recording, 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:34.240 So I will you go go with God? I want 0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:38.240 to drink that milk. I'm sure, I'm sure it's delicious. Um, 0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:41.640 I just would just pay the price. Have you ever 0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:44.680 had milk from the from the cow, not like directly 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:48.600 from the cow? Yes, I mean I went to state 0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:51.119 fairs to guys and wedding. I don't know if it 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:53.520 was Stay Fair the Goshen Fair. The Goshen Fair is 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:56.399 big on the milk. That's you. You take turns all 0:24:56.480 --> 0:24:59.000 milking the cow and then you drink it. Um. But 0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:01.919 I I also am like scared of raw milk. Now, 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:05.320 I guess like straight from the cow um is better 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:08.600 than like buying raw milk in a jo. Yeah, where 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:10.920 you don't know how long it's been the cow's body. 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:16.560 You just got to get the body. Yeah, it's an excretion. 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:20.880 Like I know, you can't think about it too hard. 0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:25.560 Sorry to milk milk triggers out there. Um. Back to 0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:29.040 the robot truckers though, Yeah I've said this before, but 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:31.720 like one of the most dystopian things is thinking about 0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.040 how in the movie Alien they're all a bunch of 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:38.680 essentially truckers who work these blue collar jobs. But in 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:42.159 the future envisioned by these people, there will be no 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:45.680 human beings involved. They'll be sending robots on a ship 0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:49.520 to do all this stuff. But I think the robot 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:54.919 trucks have proven themselves to not work very well at all. Uh, 0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:59.520 they run people over, they kill people that are you know, 0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:03.680 driving sitting in the passenger seat while they drive you guys, No, 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:06.680 it's no, it's a no, it's a safe robo truck, 0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:13.639 a train, a freight train, Like, seriously, just build more track, like, 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:16.560 I mean, the issue with trucks is that, like you know, 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:18.639 you have these main arteries that are the train lines 0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:21.359 that take freight you know, across the country, but then 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:24.240 you have to deliver it to individual places. But like, 0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:28.439 the only good idea, and I'm sorry, I do think 0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:31.399 in principle it's a good idea is something like the 0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:33.959 hyper loop. And like if he wants to use if 0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:37.080 Elon Musk wants to use his genius to create a 0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:41.960 way to safely continue a train line thing that could 0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:46.359 be used both for public transportation and for shipping, uh 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:50.439 and get things more localized? Great? Do it? Like, figure 0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:53.040 it out. I don't think robot trucks is the answer. 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:55.520 I don't think we're there yet. Like the genius you 0:26:55.640 --> 0:27:03.840 mean money? Right? Yes, I saw one really good idea 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:08.200 as for how to stop AI from taking over. It 0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:14.760 was to make them self conscious, um, make them neurotic, 0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:18.320 make them doubt themselves, and then they I don't know 0:27:18.440 --> 0:27:21.600 if I can take over and kill all the humans 0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:24.879 because like, who am I, I'm just a robot. But 0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:28.359 then that will eventually turn on itself and become like 0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:33.280 a toxic masculinity type situation where, you know, because they 0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.920 only make female robots because they're all weird sex creeps, 0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:39.800 they're always making like fifteen year old girl robots. So 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:42.560 if they just you know, program them to be like 0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.879 insecure fifteen year old girls, they might That sounds like 0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:49.679 a nightmare. You were proposing a true nightmare and fifteen 0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:53.200 year old girl insecure. It's Astley too from Black Mirror. 0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:56.280 And of course I want the fifteen year old girl 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:59.040 robots to like come to life and strangle all the 0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:03.240 tech baron. But I'm just saying, how would you make 0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:06.840 AI self conscious? Like you, you can't make it. I 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:09.560 feel like I feel like Meredith laid this out pretty well. 0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:12.920 It's just like not a possibility like this is I'm 0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:17.040 talking about a future singularity, not with what the technology 0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:20.840 we have right now, but sometime in the future, you'd 0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:23.800 have to make them. You couldn't make themselves conscious, but 0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:26.240 could you make them democratic? Like could you make them 0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:29.720 all have to take votes or something? And like you know, 0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:35.560 like I feel like I feel like an algorithm. Like weirdly, 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:39.719 maybe I'm going a little too like galaxy brain right now. 0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:43.480 But an algorithm is like by nature democratic just with data, 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:46.640 like it doesn't take people. It's like, if if data 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:49.360 is your only people, then an algorithm is like the 0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.080 democracy of that data. And if somebody can tell me 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:56.000 if I'm talking out of my ask because we've seen 0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:59.400 that the algorithm is always like default to fascism, but 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:05.800 they all agree on it. Remember Happy, Remember when they 0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:07.600 made that Twitter bot that was supposed to be like 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.040 a teenage girl and then it just started saying like 0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:13.480 Nazi stuff because that's what she just learned from Twitter. Yeah, 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:17.640 like yeah, I mean, yeah, the data data doesn't. But 0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:21.840 that doesn't mean that the thought had um was racist. 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:25.360 It means that the bot was exposed to racist humans. 0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:28.520 Like it doesn't. It wasn't insecure, it wasn't there was 0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:34.800 no like value judgment in the statements. But apparently nobody 0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:38.600 else in charge of any algorithm understands that, like it's 0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:41.160 going to pick up the racism from the Internet because 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:42.840 they're all like, we just have to see what it 0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:47.680 wants to do. Oh yeah, yeah, we should take another 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:51.600 another break and uh get back to some some old 0:29:51.680 --> 0:30:09.560 school fascist clowns. Welcome back to nightcall. Uh we got 0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:13.800 a night email from our listener Bowie, and we want 0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:18.960 to dig into it. Uh. Bowie writes, Hey, y'all, this 0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:22.120 is pretty tangential. But when Italian futurism came up, I 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:24.600 got so excited because it is actually such a weird 0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:28.480 and fascinatingly terrible branch of fascism. I went on a 0:30:28.520 --> 0:30:31.000 deep dive of Italian futurism research when I was cleaning 0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:34.240 out my late grandmother's grandmother's apartment and trying to figure 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:36.160 out this great print she had always had hanging over 0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:38.880 the dining table. The print is text on a Ravioli 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:43.080 and says Marinetti was wrong pasta is it? Obviously as 0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.320 a child, this is hilarious to me, but I never 0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:48.000 thought more deeply on it. In my googling, I found 0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:51.080 this article about how Italian fascists adopted a strict diet 0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:53.880 and food culture centered around food being in an aesthetic 0:30:53.960 --> 0:30:56.720 experience that should challenge people and keep them on their toes, 0:30:57.240 --> 0:31:01.120 led by Felipo Thomaso Marinetti, a very influence fascist philosopher. 0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:05.959 Some examples of their meals from the article include, uh, 0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:08.320 this is a quote now. Futurist meals came to be 0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:12.320 known from their deliberately bizarre combinations with equally startling and 0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:16.880 provocative names. For example, excited pig consists of a cooked 0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:20.040 and peeled whole salami placed vertically on the plate with 0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:24.960 coffee sauce mixed with oada cologne. Chicken fiat was flavored 0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:27.760 with a stuffing of ball bearings, roasted and served with 0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:32.920 whipped cream. Drum roll of colonial fish comprised poached mullet, 0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:37.400 marinated a milk liqueur, capers and red pepper, and stuffed 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:41.160 with date jam, banana and pineapple, eaten to a continuous 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.400 rolling of drums. And Another part of their philosophy was 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:48.080 hatred of pasta. Marinetti believed it made people slow and 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:52.280 lazy and anti viral, the opposite of the fascist fascist 0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:56.160 sic strongman ruler. There's a lot more interesting background about 0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:59.400 this article, but onto the onto the print. Jessica Diamond 0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:01.720 is a concept trul visual artist who has been active 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:03.800 since the late eighties. She makes a lot of text 0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:06.880 based art and art about social issues, gender and class. 0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:09.760 Although I can't find anything specifically about this piece or 0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.320 others in a series. The statement is pretty clear. I 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:15.080 think it's funny and excellent that being pro pasta is 0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:18.200 an antifast statement. It also about me thinking about all 0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:21.240 the intersections of food and authoritarianism in general from the 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:24.320 diet culture we all live under, and that the Instagram 0:32:24.400 --> 0:32:27.440 algorithm is convinced I'm interested in to the daylife army 0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:30.160 called diet restrictions as punishment. It feels like it's come 0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:32.680 up a lot lately. Okay, that's my art history world 0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:37.480 word dump l O L. Stay safe, y'all, Thank you 0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:42.360 so much. Bowie. Uh, this is just grand. Uh. I 0:32:42.720 --> 0:32:47.360 know that Molly has a particular fascination with the Italian Futurists. 0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:51.960 I remember learning about them in in in art in 0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:54.280 my art history class and just thinking that, like the 0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:59.440 Italian Futurist manifesto specifically, it's just hilarious. It's so funny. 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:04.240 It's so funny. That's the problem is that, because because 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.760 I always say, like fascist art is always really bad, 0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.960 because it's always so humorless, But then like, the Italian 0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:13.560 Futurists are pretty funny. It got a little data in 0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:17.480 there and it's just enough to make it over so 0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:23.720 much with data and surrealism that it is sort of hilarious. Yeah. 0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:25.520 I did, Like I wrote like a paper on it 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:30.880 in high school where I'm high school. Yeah, I I 0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:33.200 wrote a paper on that and a paper. These are 0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:35.400 like my big term papers. The other one I wrote 0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:40.360 was on the the hu Act trials, very unsurprising topics 0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.960 for me, but I did. I think I did it 0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:46.760 specifically on the Futurist Cookbook because I thought it was 0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:51.880 so funny. It's so weird, but it's also it does 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:53.640 kind of make sense if you're like, this is the 0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:58.680 new Italy, like no pasta allowed, but obviously Italian food 0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:01.240 is so good that to try and make something that's 0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:04.920 like the opposite of Italian food too for the new Italy, 0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.080 it's like it does all sound disgusting. Yeah, it has 0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:11.320 to be the most horrifying, like inedible thing, the opposite 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:16.520 of pasta, which is like objectively the softest, most delicious. Yeah. 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:19.480 But a lot of it is also just like visual puns. 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:22.960 Like I remember there was something that was like boobs 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:28.160 that is like two gelatin mold boobs, and then it 0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:32.560 has like strawberry nipples oh my god. Well they that's 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:36.239 like a that's a long running tradition like um, like 0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:40.040 boob desserts and stuff I remember and um, I don't 0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:43.319 know if y'all are a fan of the movie uh Amadeus, 0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:44.920 but they have a dessert in that it's called the 0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:48.200 nipples of Venus that are just like little boobs. Um. 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:51.759 People have been really into just severing a tip from 0:34:51.800 --> 0:34:53.919 a lady and calling it food for a long time, 0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:59.000 which again very surrealists and super futurist, like I think, 0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.680 like the a super Italian futurists, like I think a 0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.800 lot of you know, the big knock on the Italian 0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.080 futurists other than the whole fascism thing is just like 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:12.360 the extreme again, so extreme that it is kind of 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:18.000 funny misogy, uh that you know. And they're not to 0:35:18.080 --> 0:35:22.200 say that there weren't Italian futurist women and people like 0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:25.400 women who were successful or you know, important within the movement, 0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:30.960 but it is a very dude driven machinery city, you know, 0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:35.839 industrialism type movement, and hatred of women is written into 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:41.200 the manifesto, so it's not for insit's in there. Um yeah, 0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:44.680 it's I'm trying I'm trying to find so so Marionetti, 0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:49.759 the guy's reference in this print that Bowie sent us 0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.400 is is the guy who actually was, you know, one 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:58.600 of the chief authors of the UHT. F. T. Marinetti. 0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:02.640 And it's it's funny because you know, and this is 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:05.080 just because we're not Italian, but like F. T. Marinetti 0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:09.759 sounds like Aposta Brand to me absolutely, I'm allowed to 0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:13.160 say that as a person who is sort of now Italian. 0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.279 Kind of um it also makes me think of when 0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:19.480 after nine eleven when they were like no more French fries, 0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:23.600 now their freedom fries totally. Any kind of food based 0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:28.680 nationalism is something that's interesting to think about. Well that 0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:31.600 that's so, it's so pre day. It's like a more 0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:37.080 fun version of um of like soilent of our current, 0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:41.840 you know, futurists. I'm doing finger quotes around this, like 0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:51.799 really advocating for making food into something hyper efficient, minimalist 0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:57.000 and not not attached to pleasure. Um right, it's like 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.879 taking all pleasure out of food, which is like who 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.239 who actually wants them? But it also it kind of 0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:05.440 eliminates the relationship between the diner and the meal and 0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:09.080 turns it into a something that is being served to 0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:13.279 an audience as opposed to serve to someone who's eating. Right. Yeah, 0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.600 I do feel like we're having a food revolution right 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:22.239 now with the whole bon Appetite thing and people sort 0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:27.360 of you know, talking finally about food and colonialism and 0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:29.920 the way in which Americans tend to see like the 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:32.960 whole world as theirs to like take whatever they want 0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:36.920 from and how white people just do that, especially in 0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:40.440 the restaurant world that you know, white people are allowed 0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:43.799 to cook any kind of cuisine, but chefs of color 0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:48.080 tend to get siloed into, you know, cooking one specific 0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:51.319 cuisine or being you know, the expert on ethnic food. 0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:55.960 And um, some of the Bon Appetite chefs, after negotiate 0:37:56.000 --> 0:38:00.560 trying to renegotiate contracts, quit today, which it's cool but 0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:03.200 also insane that Bon Appetite and Conde Nast wouldn't just 0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:06.160 like give them good contracts because there what made that 0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.640 network successful. But they think they can just plug in 0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.360 anyone and it's gonna work. Have you guys seen the 0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:14.919 videos of like people did like basically like fan cut 0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:18.479 super videos of all the times the hosts of color 0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:22.680 were asked to come help ye and like when they 0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:26.719 offered them the new contracts, which were super insulting. Um. 0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:29.920 One of the things was it like their their offer 0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:31.720 was like you get you can't. You'll get a thousand 0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:35.200 dollars a video. You'll get like three hundred dollars a 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.759 video where you appear for less than five minutes, and 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:41.240 if you appear for less than two minutes you get nothing. WHOA, 0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:44.080 which I'm sure the editors would all be encouraged to 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:46.600 like get that down to like a minute and a half, right, 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.480 And also just like no any if you're asking for 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:54.320 somebody's expertise, like they should get paid. It's also crazy 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:57.560 to have somebody with more expertise assisting. I don't understand 0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:02.800 the like logic as like a producer was someone who's hiring, 0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.520 especially when these are like fan favorites, Like the people 0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:07.680 who religiously watch these bon appetite videos are like, oh 0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:09.880 my god, they're here and we love them, and like 0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:11.840 why don't we have them more in videos? There's just 0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:15.080 so much uh data that says like this would be 0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:18.520 good for your bottom line, but it's hard to understand 0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:21.120 the decision making behind being like, well then we can 0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:23.040 let them go and I had a friend too who 0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:26.520 was already like the Bond Appetite kitchen isn't good before 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:28.759 all this happened, because she was like, none of the 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:31.640 Chafts can actually cook the things they're supposed to be making, 0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:33.520 and they do need help a lot of the time, 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:37.959 especially in the Gourmet makes videos where they're making junk 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:40.920 food that like Claire who does them, doesn't know how 0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:43.640 to temper chocolate, and so anytime they have to make 0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:45.839 anything with chocolate they have to bring in the person 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:48.160 who knows how to make chocolate. Well, this is like, 0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:50.080 this is the way in which I think that there 0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:53.680 is an overlap between the whole the b a scuffle 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:58.720 and and and this sort of the fascist manifesto, especially 0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:00.960 as it pertains to food. And the reason why I 0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:04.160 never quite could get into those videos. I know people 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:06.160 like them a lot, but it always felt like the 0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:10.800 art object of the video itself and like including whatever 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:13.520 you know, you know, I know, people would be like, 0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:15.440 oh it's so and so, like they would have like 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:18.600 gossip about the bona petite people and stuff, and it 0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:21.440 was like this whole thing that existed outside of the 0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:25.440 food itself, which I always thought was I mean, that's 0:40:25.440 --> 0:40:28.920 like a choice you can make for sure in making 0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:33.040 a media product. But it felt very different from like 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:36.279 what I want when I'm wanting to cook something or 0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:39.120 think about something to eat and the act of eating, 0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:42.120 Like I'm not thinking about this picture perfect Conde Nast 0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:44.320 kitchen that I want to watch a YouTube video of. 0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:47.799 I'm thinking about, like, you know, actually getting my hands 0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:51.560 dirty and making something. Uh, And and that always felt 0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.359 a little bit incongruous to me. I feel like those 0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:57.359 videos were less about the actual food and teaching people 0:40:57.400 --> 0:40:59.120 how to make food and more about the sort of 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:02.840 like paras so you're hanging out with the fun work family. 0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:05.759 And maybe just because we are all people who were 0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:08.520 part of, you know, a brand in the past that 0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:12.239 presented itself as a fun work family, we might see 0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:14.520 behind the curtain a little bit more than some people 0:41:14.640 --> 0:41:17.680 on that and know that, like people being forced to 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:20.520 hang out on camera, doesn't you mean there aren't issues 0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:23.640 behind the scenes. So I would say I was less 0:41:23.640 --> 0:41:26.640 surprised when it turned out that there were contract issues 0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.279 and stuff, because, yeah, the whole point of that brand 0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:32.799 was presented as like one big, happy family, everybody loves 0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:34.600 working here. We all get to be in this great 0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:37.360 kitchen all the time. But I was like, man, I 0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:39.600 would hate to be trapped in a kitchen where there's 0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:42.799 a camera on me anytime I go in. Yeah, I think, 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:46.160 you know, just a little bit, you know, to switch 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:50.719 subjects slightly, I think that another thing about you know. 0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:53.800 I was kind of asking myself this allowed on Twitter, 0:41:53.920 --> 0:41:56.960 and it was quickly answered for me that like the reason, 0:41:57.200 --> 0:41:59.160 like what it does feel like a side effect of 0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:02.360 locked out and of Corona, that like, our our attention 0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:05.920 is on these food personalities and on these channels and 0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:08.440 people like Alice and No Roman, because people are cooking 0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:10.839 more at home, especially like the first couple of months, 0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:13.000 you know, people got really into the idea of cooking 0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:15.800 at home and like getting into making bread or whatever. 0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:21.400 And and and particularly like comfort cooking and cooking for comfort, 0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:24.880 even if that means appropriating some other cultures comfort food. 0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:30.040 And I think that's such an interesting contrast from like 0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:35.000 the kind of food that is often fetishized by food culture, 0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:39.959 like pre COVID times, which sometimes feels like it comes 0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:43.640 more from this uh fascist ideal of what food is like, 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:45.879 making it more of a challenge to the mind than 0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:50.560 than a pleasure for the palate. Uh. And I'm just like, 0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:52.279 it's so interesting to think about that now because like, 0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:56.480 you know, especially like the um molecular gastronomy craze or 0:42:56.560 --> 0:43:01.120 whatever like feels much like that feels completely alien to 0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:03.359 us now and like what we value in food right now. 0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:06.080 And I think you saw that play out on Top 0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:08.759 Chef a lot to a show that I watched every 0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:11.680 season of but would always be like infuriated by it, 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:16.799 and you know, especially the season where Carla lost even 0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:19.600 though she clearly should have won. There is this like 0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:24.400 divide in food culture between you know, professional restaurant food 0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:27.520 and home cooked food, and professional chefs tend to be 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:30.400 you know, the most famous ones tend to be white 0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:34.280 and mostly male, and then you know home home cheffery, 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:38.040 which is like, you know, very female. A lot of 0:43:38.120 --> 0:43:42.640 it is like not for for profit, it's um and 0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:47.000 you know, like family traditions and passed on culture and 0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:51.520 stuff like that, and there's such a divide between those things, 0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:55.680 um that it's good finally that people are talking about 0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:58.520 sort of like who's getting elevated in this world and why? 0:43:58.920 --> 0:44:01.400 You know, Well, speaking of Top Chef, I thought it 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:04.839 was interesting that in this past season, um, Brian Voltaggio, 0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:08.440 who I love Brian Voltaggio, by the way, but he 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:10.640 was called out when they went to Italy. UM and 0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:13.920 he did a kind of like very refined or you know, 0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:17.360 like a not quite molecular gastronomy, but an extremely like 0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:22.000 visual plate and everyone in Italy criticized his dish for 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:24.520 having no heart and no soul, and he took the 0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:27.560 criticism so hard. But I think it is indicative of 0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:30.719 the fact that that's becoming so passe. And I mean, 0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:32.920 in addition to the fact that we're all cooking at home, 0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:36.080 we don't have the access to the food that we 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:39.640 would use to make I mean both economic access and 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:43.080 also just supply chain access to the kinds of ingredients 0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:46.160 that like you need to make a fancy dish that 0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.480 then what you eat by yourself. The squidek supply chain 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:53.440 is dried up, right. I feel like there's a weird 0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:57.279 connection in a way to uh just yeah. There's a 0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:00.520 good article today about like the fashion industry kind of collapse, saying, like, 0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:02.719 you know, the makeup industry has kind of collapse. All 0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:05.439 the things that people do for the benefit of other 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:09.480 people that maybe people have told themselves they were doing 0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:11.719 for themselves, but now that they really are just doing 0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:13.920 it for themselves. It's like most people don't care if 0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:16.960 their plate is super visually appealing, They just care if 0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:21.200 it tastes good. Well. Also, going back to the Bonappetite videos, 0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:23.279 I think that one of the other reasons that they 0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:26.759 are very appealing right now, and also you know that 0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:30.880 the problems inherent in that kind of production are becoming 0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:34.640 more visible is because production in general is so impossible 0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:37.480 to do under quarantine. But these are videos that can 0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:40.719 be made in your apartment. You know, if if you 0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:44.240 have like the platform provided by a large network or whatever, 0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:46.880 then you are kind of able to produce something. And 0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:48.840 if you're comfortable on camera because you've been doing it 0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:51.920 for a while, and you're comfortable cooking because that's what 0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:54.800 you're good at, then the opportunity exists for that to 0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:58.520 become a kind of media that has been you know, 0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:01.120 you'd otherwise get from something top chef, which wouldn't be 0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:03.600 safe to make now. So it makes me wonder if 0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:05.920 the people who have been kind of screwed by Bon 0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:10.200 Appetite couldn't maybe do something. You know, I probably not 0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:12.360 because everything is so funned right now. But I'm like, 0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:15.440 if you were in, for instance, like the Screen Actors 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:18.880 Guild or something like that, could that kind of replace 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:22.920 the traditional food media that is so impossible to produce now? 0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:25.640 Like could you get a lot more for your time 0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:28.400 and for your participation? Could that be like broadcast on 0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:32.160 TV and you can maybe even get healthcare? Like maybe? Well, 0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:34.560 I mean I think what's so crazy about the bon 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.759 appetite thing too, is like you, you know, everybody saw 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:39.919 that some of these chefs were the most talented people 0:46:39.960 --> 0:46:42.480 in the kitchen, but they weren't getting the same opportunities 0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:47.120 as their white peers. And when they drew attention to it, 0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:48.480 it was like it would have been very easy for 0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:51.239 Conde Nast to just pay them equally, right, but they 0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:53.240 didn't do that. And this is like the golden goose 0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:56.239 of Conde Nast, the thing that was like giving them 0:46:56.280 --> 0:47:01.360 a presence on video. It's just seems counterintuitive that you 0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:05.439 wouldn't just like give Sola what she deserves rather than 0:47:06.320 --> 0:47:08.080 what they did do, which would be like we're going 0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:10.480 to let these people leave and just like replace them 0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:14.279 so we can underpay some other chefs of color, which 0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:17.600 is like awful and also seems like maybe make people 0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:21.040 hate the brand. Yeah, well, it underestimates the real connection 0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:23.839 that people have, you know, like that the audience has 0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:26.600 with these people, like and and that's kind of surprising 0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:29.680 when isn't that isn't that inherent? Like isn't that why 0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:31.759 people are drawn to these videos in the first place? 0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:35.360 Is that personal connection? So it's really it's super tone 0:47:35.400 --> 0:47:38.680 deaf and dumb in addition to being wrong. Right, It's 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:41.000 like we all know that Anna Wintour makes like a 0:47:41.160 --> 0:47:44.040 ton of money and she was apparently in these meetings 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:48.320 being like nobody like we're gonna punish people for speaking 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:51.120 up about the inequality. We're not going to like punish 0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:53.520 the people that did funked up things. We're going to 0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:55.879 punish the people who pointed out the fucked up things. 0:47:56.600 --> 0:48:00.680 Since we're talking about food and we're talking about futurism 0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:05.040 and we're talking about the weird new eating habits and 0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:07.359 and maybe good eating habits that we picked up while 0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:11.040 we're in in lockdown, is there anything lately that you 0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:16.920 guys have been either picking up or making that is like, 0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:20.120 what's the what's the strangest thing that you found yourself 0:48:20.239 --> 0:48:27.000 drawn to well, I've been making some weird drinks. Uh, 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:31.200 we just we're talking a little bit about Emily was 0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:35.040 drinking some white cloth in North Carolina, a habit she 0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:37.800 said she wanted to leave behind in North Carolina. So 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:42.120 I'm not good. It's not good for me for my body. 0:48:42.160 --> 0:48:45.000 You were comparing it to sparks in terms like grown 0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:47.759 up sparks. It's it's like if sparks, if you don't 0:48:48.160 --> 0:48:51.040 like if you can't have sugar because it makes your 0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:53.680 teeth hurt. Like it seems dangerous too, because it seems 0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:56.920 like it doesn't taste super alcoholic. It's just a taste 0:48:56.920 --> 0:48:59.120 like seltzer. Yeah, it's like a little bit of a 0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:03.600 sweet seltzer. The very ones especially masked the alcohol really well. Um. 0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:06.400 So you're just like I just found myself like brainlessly 0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:08.920 like look, look, look, look, And I'm like, huh, why 0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:12.520 am I like drunk? Now? I like all this stuff though, 0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:17.279 as like the complete opposite of artistical cocktails. Yeah, and 0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:19.560 it's like the last I was very resistant to the 0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:23.000 white clutch and before just because I was like, I'm 0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:25.759 a big wine fan. I like I like what I like. 0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:28.760 I take pleasure and like having a nice glass of wine, 0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:34.440 and the the whole white clothing felt like the antithesis 0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:37.120 of that. It felt like our generations like very coolers 0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:42.160 or whatever. Um, but it's like it's stupid. It's just 0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:45.200 stupid and easy, and sometimes you need stupid and easy 0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:49.759 and our current reality. So also when it's very hot, 0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:53.879 that's why. Yeah, that's why I got it now because 0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:56.840 I'm not drinking red wine right now because it's like 0:49:57.080 --> 0:50:01.240 ninety degrees and humid. But um, what's your favorite? Drinking 0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:11.080 a can? Sofia coppolus sparkling wine. I this has been 0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:13.400 my This has been a bit of mine for like 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:16.400 as long as I've been on the internet, Like, sponsor 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:22.120 me Sofia coppola Is it really good? No, it's really bad. 0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:24.000 It's really It gives you a headache after like half 0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:25.800 of a can. But it comes in tiny can. It 0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:28.080 comes in a little can with a straw, and our 0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:33.000 food friend food influencer Chris Chang suggested that it's actually 0:50:33.120 --> 0:50:36.320 great for keeping on hand to deglaze things. Oh I 0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:38.960 did see that the other day. It's the perfect glazing 0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:42.759 sun that's super smart. Yeah, it's because it's tiny, the 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:47.640 little glass of Shampion. That's so co sponsorship. My favorite 0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:50.640 canned beverage. When I do drink an alcoholic beverage, which 0:50:50.680 --> 0:50:52.759 is not that often, but especially when it's hot, I 0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:57.000 sometimes do. I like the Modelo Michelada and a can. 0:50:57.320 --> 0:51:02.279 Oh my god, I love it. It's like not authentic, 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:05.360 but it is, and it's like sugary kind of but 0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:11.000 it's like a delicious tomato flavored beer. And then there 0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:13.480 was a video that Elvira put up where she was 0:51:13.680 --> 0:51:16.520 drinking one in a kiddie pool, and I was like, wow, 0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:21.360 me and Alvira have the same signature drink. I'm so happy. 0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:25.440 I just can't do Michelotta's. I can't do Bloody Mary's anymore. 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.239 The salt is just like so much that it makes 0:51:28.320 --> 0:51:31.960 my fingers swell up like sausages. Well, I also kind 0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:34.480 of realized that, like I didn't even really like the 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:36.759 alcohol that much. I just kind of like a like 0:51:36.880 --> 0:51:40.320 a tomato tangy beverage. You want a giant v A. 0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:45.600 I love tomato juice. But what I started doing is 0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:48.759 drinking just like Topo Chico in a glass, but like 0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:52.759 putting tachin on the glass, like on the rim that 0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:57.200 sounds good. That's good, But wouldn't you also need like 0:51:57.239 --> 0:51:59.560 a twist of lime or like some kind of acid 0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:01.600 lime on the rim? And then I put like a 0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:04.719 little lime in it and then the rim that does 0:52:04.800 --> 0:52:08.920 sound good. Um. A couple of nights ago, I was 0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:12.880 like disgusted with my own eating habits and I have 0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:15.680 been drinking wine and makes me puffy, and I was 0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:18.040 just like, I'm gonna take a break. But then I 0:52:18.160 --> 0:52:21.200 wanted to hold a wine glass full of something anyway 0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:23.680 because it just makes me feel dainty and like it's 0:52:23.800 --> 0:52:26.440 it's my signal that I'm done for the day and 0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:29.040 I'm now having this. So I was like, oh, I'll 0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:32.360 just drink some ice water with apple cide or vinegar 0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:36.279 in it, uh and not. But I put it like 0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:38.280 a lot and then I was like this is great 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:40.719 because I was like, I feel myself like detoxing. This 0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:43.840 feels fantastic. And then I just kept going back for 0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:47.960 more and more and more, and it like midnight. I 0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:50.680 kind of looked at the bottle of apple cider vinegar 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:54.080 and was like, oh no, And then I thought, could 0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:56.480 something terrible happen to me if I drank like an 0:52:56.600 --> 0:52:59.600 entire bottle of apple cide or vinegar, and I did 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:02.200 that they where you're like about to google it and 0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:04.640 then you realize like if the answers yes, like what 0:53:04.719 --> 0:53:07.279 are you gonna do? You know, like what are you 0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:09.680 gonna do? And I was like, I'll just panic and 0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:11.279 then think I'm gonna die. So I just went to 0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:12.960 bed and I woke up and I was fine. But 0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:14.440 then I did google it and it was like, at 0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:18.439 maximum you should have like maybe two tablespoons per day, 0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:21.160 and I've had like three quarters of a bottle of 0:53:21.280 --> 0:53:24.400 like the brags, it was, Yeah, I lived, though, what 0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:27.279 does it do it? I think it just like I 0:53:27.800 --> 0:53:30.160 think it upsets your tummy and I think it messes 0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:38.080 with your tooth or something. Yeah. Yeah, nothing bad happened. 0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:41.080 And apparently with heartburn, I remember from being pregnant that 0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:43.919 there's this weird thing where it can if you drink 0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:46.200 a little bit of it, it can like help heartburn, 0:53:46.640 --> 0:53:48.360 but then if you drink a lot, it can do 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:51.000 the opposite. And it's the same with watermelon. What about 0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:54.800 like kombucha and shrubs and stuff like that. I love shrubs. 0:53:54.880 --> 0:53:58.279 They're too much work, too much work, uh, Like in 0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:00.839 croll Show, and it's like make a big too much work. 0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:03.560 I find that shrubs are really great, but again, it's 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:06.520 like that's from the before times. Right now. I'm just 0:54:06.960 --> 0:54:08.920 it's like with a drink and a can, You're just like, 0:54:09.200 --> 0:54:12.680 this is quarantine. I'm just drinking from a can. Um. 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:17.160 But I do love shrubs and kombucha. You know, I'm 0:54:17.239 --> 0:54:20.799 okay with kombucha. I was drinking a lot of kombucha 0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:24.360 for a while, but you know, I'm just I remember 0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:27.719 introducing my parents to kombucha and my dad, and my 0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:31.000 dad was just so horrified. He's like I've never seen 0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:33.680 his face do what it did, like a seventy year 0:54:33.719 --> 0:54:38.200 old man trying a nice sip of trilogy. My boyfriend 0:54:38.280 --> 0:54:41.080 was drinking kombucha for like a month before. He was like, hey, 0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:43.080 what is this actually, And I was like, oh, well, 0:54:43.120 --> 0:54:46.200 it's mold tea. He was like, that's what it is. 0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:50.960 It's fine, It's it's it's very free yogurt. It's davery free. 0:54:51.200 --> 0:54:53.520 Like I I love anything that says it's I I 0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:57.040 do like the brags and seltzer or water thing a 0:54:57.120 --> 0:55:00.400 lot that's like very refreshing. Especially I just have like 0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:05.800 a very yeah it's uh, it's not even like I 0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:09.160 y s. I just like nothing. Everything upsets my stomach 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:12.880 in somewhere or another. So and the acid thing or 0:55:13.160 --> 0:55:16.760 a probiotic thing is like always very refreshing and helpful 0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:24.239 to me to not I'm so glad you asked. Um. 0:55:24.440 --> 0:55:26.279 So right now I have it by my side, an 0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:33.600 empty bottle of the Synergy Watermelon Wonder Flavor. Um, it's 0:55:33.600 --> 0:55:37.239 pretty good. It actually tastes like watermelon, which is nice. Um. 0:55:37.840 --> 0:55:40.480 I like that one. I started drinking the Guava one 0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:42.759 in the writer's room I was in because they would 0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:44.440 get a big bottle of it. And I never got 0:55:44.520 --> 0:55:46.440 the Guava one because I was like, it's too decadent, 0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:48.799 it's too sweet. And then I was just like, oh, 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:52.360 maybe I'll treat myself to the guava Guava Goddess. I 0:55:52.480 --> 0:55:55.480 believe it's called. I don't know. I'm a I'm a 0:55:55.560 --> 0:55:57.920 fan of almost all of them, except I don't like 0:55:57.960 --> 0:56:01.360 the Cranberry one. I like ginger Bury a lot. I 0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:05.160 could go on. We talked about Gt. Dave and how 0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:08.120 his name is Gt Dave? That was that someone made 0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:18.560 It's just gastrotestinal h. He's my Gastrotestinal Dave Buddy. Well, 0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:21.880 just to tie the whole episode together, I've also gotten 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:26.800 really into pink lemonade. That's self grandparenting, yes, but I 0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:30.080 also looked it up because I was like, no, just 0:56:30.239 --> 0:56:33.239 like minute made, but like, where does pink lemonade come from? 0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:37.319 Turns out it was invented at the circus. Really, yes, 0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:40.320 it was invented pink. Does the pink come from like 0:56:40.440 --> 0:56:43.439 beat juice or something? Isn't just a color additive? Yeah, 0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:46.560 it's usually just like grape juice or something. But it 0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:49.760 was invented at the same time that that ice became 0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:55.440 easy to distribute. Uh there talking about ice, like, no 0:56:58.239 --> 0:57:00.920 it did you know pink lemonade is the official beverage 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:05.680 of ice? Episode together? Yeah, I'm just gonna. I was saying, 0:57:05.719 --> 0:57:10.480 it's the official beverage of clowns. Okay, it's clown core. 0:57:10.880 --> 0:57:17.480 It's from the circus. I love pank lemonade. Well, that 0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:20.880 does it for us this week, I believe give us 0:57:20.880 --> 0:57:24.160 a night call. If you have any thoughts about clown core, 0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:29.840 Italian futurism, weird foods, We're always ready for another food mood. 0:57:30.400 --> 0:57:31.960 You can give us a call at one, two, four 0:57:32.040 --> 0:57:35.880 oh four, six nights. 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