Speaker 1: One hell of an offer. Let's play ball. Welcome in
Speaker 1: everybody to fantasy pros.
Speaker 2: This is leading off Rock to you by bet MGM,
Speaker 2: the King of sports Books. It's me Joey p jop
Speaker 2: Zapia with me is the Welsh and of course we've
Speaker 2: got a lot to talk about today. Yesterday was the
Speaker 2: MLB First Year Player Draft, very exciting stuff, and we
Speaker 2: got the man, mister Prospect one to break it all
Speaker 2: down for us. Tell us about the top picks, the
Speaker 2: rest of the picks that he liked, the ones he didn't,
Speaker 2: why Jim Kallis's suit was so large, all of those
Speaker 2: things we're gonna talk about today. We're also going to
Speaker 2: talk about another Chris Sale injury. My goodness, poor Chris Sale.
Speaker 2: I think you just put himself in bubble wrap the
Speaker 2: rest of the season. And also Welsh, we gotta start
Speaker 2: with the big news, which is the Nationals offered Juan
Speaker 2: Soto four hundred and forty million dollars and it was
Speaker 2: not enough to stay in Washington, so thumbs down from
Speaker 2: one to one. So, uh, I guess we got to
Speaker 2: start there. I mean, it's open Wan Sodo season now
Speaker 2: for the rest of Major League Baseball. They're taking trade offers.
Speaker 2: The question is when will he end up somewhere else?
Speaker 3: Is it is?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 4: Really didn't we do this bit Like earlier in the year,
Speaker 4: We're like, come on, I'm not gonna trade We're not
Speaker 4: gonna I'm not gonna trade one Soto get out of
Speaker 4: here with this nonsense.
Speaker 3: But it is big news.
Speaker 4: You drop, you know, a four hundred million dollar deal
Speaker 4: and Soto says, Nope, no thanks.
Speaker 3: I still is a part of me that does not think.
Speaker 4: This is completely over. One of the main problems with
Speaker 4: it was it was backloaded, which he didn't want, and
Speaker 4: it was front loaded on lower av and.
Speaker 3: I just it didn't make sense. I know why they
Speaker 3: did it.
Speaker 4: They've got a horrifically bad stephn Strousberg contract that's sitting
Speaker 4: out there, so it makes sure sense why they went
Speaker 4: and did that. But regardless of the point, that's not
Speaker 4: the conversation to have. The conversation to have is who
Speaker 4: is gonna go out there and get him? Who could
Speaker 4: possibly get him? And I believe there were four teams that.
Speaker 3: Were named Joe.
Speaker 4: You had the New York Mets, the New York Yankees,
Speaker 4: the Dodgers, and the Cardinals. Were the four teams that
Speaker 4: are already being attached to Juan Soto. As Soto unfortunately
Speaker 4: came out and also said he was pretty disappointed that
Speaker 4: this happened. Somebody noted over, Yes, sure, I think it
Speaker 4: was on Sunday that he was like, you're most appointed.
Speaker 4: You don't want that out. You don't want that, especially
Speaker 4: if a deal gets done. You don't want that to
Speaker 4: end up happening. But let me ask you, likelihood now
Speaker 4: that you think Juan Soto is traded, not just at
Speaker 4: the deadline, I think that is premature at this point,
Speaker 4: but what are the odds you think he actually is
Speaker 4: going to get moved?
Speaker 2: And by the deadline? I think it's done by the deadline. Well,
Speaker 2: because the longer you wait, you know, the longer you wait,
Speaker 2: you always there's always catastrophe with injury, right, that could
Speaker 2: always be looming any minute you blow an ACL or
Speaker 2: something like that happens, right. I think that with the
Speaker 2: years remaining on his contract currently and how that structure
Speaker 2: the control you have over Juan Soto for a few years,
Speaker 2: and then the possibility of wanting to extend him, the
Speaker 2: biggest buy you can make right now in terms of
Speaker 2: prospect Hall Is to do it now, don't wait. It's
Speaker 2: a lost season. The Nats are not going to get
Speaker 2: any better this year. They're probably not gonna get any
Speaker 2: better next year. At least you can start to sell
Speaker 2: the fan base next year is hey, we moved Wan Soto,
Speaker 2: We're rebuilding.
Speaker 1: We're in full rebuild.
Speaker 2: Catch the rising stars like Francisco Alvarez and Ventos and
Speaker 2: Ran Precio or anybody else that the Mets want to
Speaker 2: give them.
Speaker 1: How about that and Brett Baty.
Speaker 2: Catch all the rising stars at the Nationals Ballpark next year.
Speaker 2: And I think the Mets are the leading contenders because
Speaker 2: I think they have the combination of owner desire to
Speaker 2: spend the money and it doesn't care the desire of
Speaker 2: I think Juan Soto to be in a big market,
Speaker 2: the prospects to get it done. I think the yankees
Speaker 2: big handcuff is not the Volpies and Dominguez and the
Speaker 2: guys that they could move, because they could, but it's
Speaker 2: selling to the fan base. Then, okay, you have to
Speaker 2: own choose between Aaron Judge and Juan So do I
Speaker 2: feel like you have to choose? Man?
Speaker 4: I don't think the Yankees have never had problems with that.
Speaker 4: They the jetered fan favorite, and they brought in Alex
Speaker 4: Rodriguez they've never had.
Speaker 2: But they didn't do it despite getting rid of Derek Jeter.
Speaker 2: I don't I think it's either or, and I think
Speaker 2: it's gonna be really tough to sell Aaron Judge, their
Speaker 2: hometown guy who's been there the whole time, and say,
Speaker 2: you know what, here you go, fan base, we're gonna
Speaker 2: move on with Aaron Judge. We're gonna we're gonna go
Speaker 2: wan So too instead, even though that's probably the better
Speaker 2: baseball move.
Speaker 1: I just think that's a tough sell.
Speaker 2: I don't think we wouldn't get it done with the
Speaker 2: Cold contract, the Stanton contract, and what they have on
Speaker 2: the books for a couple of other guys.
Speaker 1: It really don't.
Speaker 4: Wonky in the chat said the thing that I've been
Speaker 4: holding the most, like, can they really move him in
Speaker 4: the NL East.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine they got to get him at divisionally. Now,
Speaker 3: if they did.
Speaker 2: That, that's overblown. With the extra wildcard now, I don't
Speaker 2: need the division. I think the division stuff has been
Speaker 2: grossly devalued when you've added in more wildcard situations and
Speaker 2: you expanded playoffs because now it's like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: because they'll make the playoffs, Like, who cares about the division?
Speaker 1: Let's get the best haul to me then, as Paul
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, I I think the Mets do offer if
Speaker 4: Alvarez is out there. They have Alex Ramirez, They've got all.
Speaker 4: They just drafted a kid in the draft who had
Speaker 4: been targeted to the Nationals for months, Kevin Prada, who
Speaker 4: is one of the best deeals of the draft.
Speaker 3: The Mets did.
Speaker 4: And Georgia they think that no, no, that I no,
Speaker 4: he's just gonna stay at catcher and he's got a
Speaker 4: real mudo likeness to him, where Alvarez is going to
Speaker 4: be more of a date or have two. So you
Speaker 4: create an extra extra flexibility if you wanted to make
Speaker 4: that move with a player that they love, trade Turner rule,
Speaker 4: you could trade him, but it's got to be the
Speaker 4: player to be named later, and.
Speaker 3: It happens in the offseason. I think it is.
Speaker 4: But I gotta tell you, I think you said ninety
Speaker 4: nine percent by the deadline. I am a sixty fifty
Speaker 4: to sixty percent at this deadline. I don't think they
Speaker 4: need to make any crazy moves. Things can change easy.
Speaker 4: If ownership can change over, I think that's creating some
Speaker 4: of the craziness to it. I would say fifty percent
Speaker 4: at best by the deadline, and I think the medsale.
Speaker 2: Talk about ownership change, then it's one hundred percent, because
Speaker 2: when you buy the team, you're gonna want to buy
Speaker 2: it at a point where you have the least amount
Speaker 2: of salary, and everything is then just.
Speaker 1: Just pushed up there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: To me, ownership's looking at this is like, if we're
Speaker 2: going to sell the team, we do it now, because
Speaker 2: from the business of baseball, to me, that makes the
Speaker 2: most sense. And I honestly think the Nats might be
Speaker 2: a better team. And it's a year or tater now
Speaker 2: with all those MLB ready prospects. You if you're gonna
Speaker 2: put Alvarez at first base or d HM or whatever
Speaker 2: the heck you're gonna do with him, if you're gonna
Speaker 2: have a baby at third and he got Mauricio a
Speaker 2: short stuff like all of a sudden, you know, with
Speaker 2: kyber Ruiz and Josiah Gray and some of these other pieces,
Speaker 2: maybe you're starting to get somewhere. If you're the Nats
Speaker 2: and you have a good young team that's at least,
Speaker 2: you're not going anywhere with just mon Sodo.
Speaker 1: You're just not.
Speaker 2: I mean it's the same thing with the Texas Rangers
Speaker 2: Alex Rodriguez back in the day.
Speaker 1: You're just not.
Speaker 2: And I think this last one that it was so
Speaker 2: public that he said no and they get it in season.
Speaker 2: I think there was they were kind of like, look,
Speaker 2: we need to or get off the pot here. And
Speaker 2: I think they've gotten off the pot, and obviously it's
Speaker 2: time to make that movement.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to happen. It really did.
Speaker 4: I mean, but they just offered him almost half a
Speaker 4: billion dollars. So it's like, I think we're making a
Speaker 4: little too much about like, oh, hey, this that the
Speaker 4: other they would they would have to get rid of
Speaker 4: the money offered half a billion dollars like a week ago.
Speaker 4: So I don't think that just changes all of a sudden.
Speaker 4: If the team believes they cannot get him, they should
Speaker 4: go out and they should get a haul. They should
Speaker 4: at least especially with a control. And that's this is
Speaker 4: where you're talking about. This is two sides. The twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four control for Soto makes the asset you can
Speaker 4: get at this deadline exponential but I'd also say at
Speaker 4: the beginning of next year, in this offseason.
Speaker 3: Both of those are the time periods where.
Speaker 4: Teams aren't going to be able to talk you off
Speaker 4: the ledge of like you know, Alvarez and three other big.
Speaker 3: Prospects for the Mets.
Speaker 4: But at the same time, this is why I think
Speaker 4: it's a less percentage that it's going to be at
Speaker 4: the deadline, is because you still have two more years
Speaker 4: of control. So much can change in that time that
Speaker 4: I just don't know if it's a case, though. It
Speaker 4: is interesting if you look. They went and took Elijah Green,
Speaker 4: who was a huge high school talent, is relatively far away,
Speaker 4: you know, three or four years.
Speaker 3: He would be a great piece.
Speaker 4: If you added four or five incredible prospects, that National
Speaker 4: system could go from a joke to being like a
Speaker 4: really solid spot. Elijah Green would be one of those
Speaker 4: future talents you build around. So not that it's telling
Speaker 4: you take the best players, you don't worry about it,
Speaker 4: but you know, the Nationals didn't take Parata.
Speaker 3: Who is a closer to the major league spot. They
Speaker 3: took a high.
Speaker 4: School, huge, high end talent, shoot for the moon type
Speaker 4: of guy that you would want if soda wasn't around,
Speaker 4: But I say fifty percent by the deadline, I'd say
Speaker 4: it's more likely in the off season.
Speaker 3: And I as much as the Mets makes sense, I'm
Speaker 3: going to off season.
Speaker 2: You run that off season risk, dude, I'm telling you
Speaker 2: run the off season.
Speaker 1: If the longer you wait.
Speaker 2: I mean, the cautionary tale is Frankie Montoss Right now,
Speaker 2: if you're you have, if you're the Nationals, you have
Speaker 2: to say, look what could happened in the blink of
Speaker 2: an eye, all of a sudden, what we thought was
Speaker 2: an asset we could cash in and change, you know,
Speaker 2: the stars here a little bit of the future literally
Speaker 2: and figuratively. Man Like, how do you do that? How
Speaker 2: do you how do you run that risk? Because you
Speaker 2: can't have that? And and look, Wan Soto to me
Speaker 2: makes sense. On the Dodgers, I think that's the other
Speaker 2: team that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: That's that's my team. That's not a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Bets and Freeman contracts are huge and
Speaker 2: long and difficult.
Speaker 1: I mean, so I don't know how they do it though.
Speaker 3: That's my problem. I don't see how it's done with
Speaker 3: the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: With don't that's why I keep coming back to the Mets,
Speaker 2: and believe me them who's more negative than me about
Speaker 2: the Mets?
Speaker 1: Nobody? And it just makes sense. They want to pay him.
Speaker 2: They have the prospects, they have the need, they have
Speaker 2: the owner who is so aggressive out there, why not?
Speaker 2: Why not, you know, go out there and they smell
Speaker 2: blood in the water. They are all in right now.
Speaker 2: De Grom could opt out next year and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, it's a very different math. If you have
Speaker 2: de Grom insures it right now, you go all in.
Speaker 2: You try to win right now if you're the Mets,
Speaker 2: and I think they're going to and I think and
Speaker 2: I don't think the indivision matters anymore now that the
Speaker 2: expanded playoffs are here.
Speaker 1: I just don't think anybody cares.
Speaker 4: The advantage that Sodo could have in this as well
Speaker 4: is he's not willing to take any backloaded contract with
Speaker 4: the Nationals. I think, for like rightful reasons, he could
Speaker 4: do that with another team. You know, it seemed like
Speaker 4: the Dodgers or the Mets that have shown a commitment
Speaker 4: to winning, a commitment to money, he could be willing on,
Speaker 4: you know, some gajillion dollar deal that he does he
Speaker 4: could be willing to backload, so the first three or
Speaker 4: four years are quite a bit less, which could help
Speaker 4: a team like the Dodgers and trying to figure out
Speaker 4: how the hell did they put all these players together.
Speaker 2: By the way, Bets and Freeman are probably backloaded too,
Speaker 2: So I mean, it's gonna be real ugly when those guys.
Speaker 4: Are they to get out from out of those But
Speaker 4: I just want to point out the Dodgers the first
Speaker 4: round pick because they didn't care about the luxury tax
Speaker 4: in this past draft.
Speaker 3: They didn't have a first round of them to pick
Speaker 3: till the fourtieth overall, because how many.
Speaker 2: Times are going to do that? How many years can
Speaker 2: you do that if you're the Dodgers.
Speaker 4: If you're putting out banners as many as it takes,
Speaker 4: I don't know. Then he just bought a mansion too.
Speaker 4: You have to put those two games together, Joe. He
Speaker 4: bought a mansion in La So clearly it's the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you could buy a mansion in LA
Speaker 2: for real estate anyway, Like I said, like who cares,
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 1: And you can live out there in La. I don't
Speaker 1: in the winter time.
Speaker 2: That's also the place you want to live in the
Speaker 2: off season, you know, no matter where you want to stay. Look, man,
Speaker 2: I do think it's one of these big market cubs.
Speaker 2: I don't think the Cardinals have the pieces to get
Speaker 2: it done. And they're paying Aeronauto and Goldschmid like I don't.
Speaker 2: I think that's a fallacy.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: I think it's the Mets, the Yankees, the Dodgers to
Speaker 2: piss a lot of people off.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just do. And I think the Mets
Speaker 1: have the best opportunity.
Speaker 2: And I think the other cautionary tale here is if
Speaker 2: you're the Nats and you let Bryce Harper walk and
Speaker 2: you end up signing with the Phillies anyway, don't you
Speaker 2: regret if you could have gotten a better deal from somebody.
Speaker 1: In the East not making that move? Right.
Speaker 2: So, if it's gonna happen, if you let Wansoto hit
Speaker 2: free agency and Steve Cohen writes a check for half
Speaker 2: a billion dollars and says, I don't really care, it's
Speaker 2: just paper money.
Speaker 1: To me, you might as well get the Hall. You
Speaker 1: might get the Hall.
Speaker 4: Divisional reminders, I mean divisions of like al NL is
Speaker 4: a lot less now, but like having in division like yours.
Speaker 3: I just I think it's a wild move.
Speaker 4: I would be shocked at a superstar of this caliber
Speaker 4: to be just shipped over to the Mets. Unless again,
Speaker 4: unless they absolutely were able to fleece them. Unless you're
Speaker 4: going to back and all of them. If they back
Speaker 4: up all the Alvarezes, and they back up all the
Speaker 4: process the Alvarezes, any of this is a Richie Sexon
Speaker 4: like deal, but of good prospects. Okay, then maybe that's
Speaker 4: the thing that it takes. I think the Mets are
Speaker 4: going to have to pay an extra cost that any
Speaker 4: other team will to get one Sodo, and they'll take
Speaker 4: the contract back.
Speaker 2: With them too, because they need a DH anyway, So
Speaker 2: they'll take that money off their hands too. It'll be
Speaker 2: Cruz and Sodo. They need a DH in the worst way.
Speaker 2: Maybe you get a little bump out of Cruise. I'm
Speaker 2: telling you right, And you take that contract off their
Speaker 2: hands and any other money any other the guy that
Speaker 2: they don't want its arbitration eligible. You take the Patrick
Speaker 2: Corbin contract off their hands. They're not taking the Strasburg contract,
Speaker 2: but they might take Corbin that. It wouldn't shock me
Speaker 2: if they took that whatever it has to get done.
Speaker 2: Stevie Cohen will get it done. I'm just telling you
Speaker 2: and just for everybody to know too. Yes, eleven am
Speaker 2: all this week here and leading off great conversations about
Speaker 2: Wan Soda. We'll get into other top today. But it's
Speaker 2: such a huge one and it's so much damn fun.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about it all day, but yes,
Speaker 2: all week. It's my fault. My kids have camp, so
Speaker 2: I have to pick them up at twelve and there's
Speaker 2: two different kids at two different camps, So eleven am
Speaker 2: is the time. This week, the Mariners continued to be amazing.
Speaker 2: They are up to a fourteen game win streak, the
Speaker 2: longest streak heading into an All Star Game in quite
Speaker 2: some time. Garrett Cole got twelve k's over seven innings.
Speaker 2: Brendan Lao went four for four with a run score,
Speaker 2: so it's good for that raised offense to get his
Speaker 2: bat back going in the lineup. Austin Noah struck out
Speaker 2: ten guys at eight and the third innings. Ty Frantz
Speaker 2: added to the All Star team, and along with Liam Hendricks,
Speaker 2: a few other relievers I think I saw Jordan Romano
Speaker 2: and Devin Williams also added and Max Meyer.
Speaker 1: Made his debut. It was not a pretty one. Five runs.
Speaker 1: I don't care. It's fine.
Speaker 2: And also, as predicted here on the show, last week,
Speaker 2: Spencer Torklsen was sent down. So let's talk about Torklesen
Speaker 2: getting sent down to the minor leagues before we get
Speaker 2: into the MLB draft stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the right move.
Speaker 2: Give I told you, give him the rest of July
Speaker 2: and if it's and if it's going, well, call him
Speaker 2: back up August first.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is so easy, well right.
Speaker 4: Here, yeah, I mean this Unfortunately, this is a move.
Speaker 4: It feels very Kelnick like massive massive. I mean, nobody
Speaker 4: has struggled more under two hundred batting average this entire
Speaker 4: time he's been up. He's shown really no great sense
Speaker 4: of power because he's not making great contact. Strike up
Speaker 4: percentage isn't the worst thing in the world, but he's
Speaker 4: got to re establish something and hopefully they've got the
Speaker 4: hitting coaches to work on this and the miners. I
Speaker 4: don't know, man, I'm cautiously optimistic. I suppose the Kelnick stuff,
Speaker 4: you know, has me a little bit jaded on him
Speaker 4: going into the miners and beating everything up. Maybe a
Speaker 4: clean headspace is going to help. But Torkelsen is not
Speaker 4: a priority in redraft this year. He might be an
Speaker 4: incredibly interesting super pilow in Dynasty. I would not count
Speaker 4: him out. I mean, there is thirty five forty plus
Speaker 4: power in there, and you know he made it absolutely
Speaker 4: living in career off of this at ASU and college.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know him and Andrew vaugh where you know,
Speaker 4: two of the most prolific bats, not just in like
Speaker 4: the Pac twelve, but just in all of it.
Speaker 3: But I would say this would be a.
Speaker 4: Really interesting buy by low. But in redraft there's a
Speaker 4: gagillion players I would have moved on from. If you haven't,
Speaker 4: I'm assuming everybody has. But there's always that thing where
Speaker 4: you don't want to release these guys. He is not
Speaker 4: in the same camp as Julio and j Rudd.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Chriselle headed back to the IL for many, many weeks,
Speaker 2: probably with a broken pinky finger.
Speaker 1: Just a terrible set of circums. His quote, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: heard him after the game too.
Speaker 3: I don't think we can I don't think we can
Speaker 3: mention it on here.
Speaker 4: We can't say it will just be like beep this
Speaker 4: stuff beep beep, beep, beep like a muppet. Yeah, well,
Speaker 4: actually I have it here because it's part for the course.
Speaker 3: Think about it. Think about my timeline. It's just been
Speaker 3: blank after blank after blank, just more blank to deal with.
Speaker 3: He's a positive guy, you bet, he's a fun locker around.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's hard not to mean he's frustrated. I
Speaker 1: get it. I mean he wants to be playing baseball.
Speaker 1: He can't do. It's very frustrating.
Speaker 2: Harold Ramirez removed from Sunday's game due to a broken
Speaker 2: right thumb, so he'll be out for a while. So obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, Ramire has actually been pretty decent for that squad.
Speaker 2: Now all of a sudden he's going to be out
Speaker 2: for a while, and so Wander Franco is still going
Speaker 2: to be out for a while. A's manager Marcaste said
Speaker 2: Sunday if Frankie Montagh shoulder responded, really.
Speaker 1: Well, everything was great, Everything's so good. Everything's fine. It's fine.
Speaker 2: It's like Han Solo in a New Hope, where he's like,
Speaker 2: it's everything's fine, fine, how are you? That's that's they're
Speaker 2: in the detention area. That's what's happening right now to them.
Speaker 2: We had a provocative discussion Welsh about Mike Trout on
Speaker 2: Sunday on the TV show because the question was asked,
Speaker 2: is Mike Trout still a top ten player in baseball?
Speaker 2: And I and I thought that was you know, at first,
Speaker 2: I went, well, I think we have to dive into
Speaker 2: it and ask so I want to I want to
Speaker 2: pose this for you here. I want to I want
Speaker 2: to do this with you here the guys very easily.
Speaker 2: I think that you would probably take over Mike Trout
Speaker 2: in the next two years, right, I think you still
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 3: Be talk fantasy, right, tuck fantasy slash reality? Yeah, because
Speaker 3: how you phrase that, I feel like slacking real.
Speaker 2: He's still a top ten player. I mean, if you're
Speaker 2: a top ten player in baseball, you're a top ten
Speaker 2: player in fantasy pretty much. I think that kind of
Speaker 2: goes hand in hand for the most part. Would you
Speaker 2: rather have Wan Soto? I think the answer is yes,
Speaker 2: Wan Soto? Right, you rather have.
Speaker 1: Where are we at there? My God?
Speaker 2: Having a brain for here, the guy I wanted to
Speaker 2: talk about here. Would you rather have Shoeotani his teammate?
Speaker 1: Yes? Probably right, yes, of course pitcher and hitter. Would
Speaker 1: you rather have? Uh?
Speaker 2: Now, let's go to the list of the guys that
Speaker 2: are questions in that sense, in these young players, Lad
Speaker 2: Guerrero Junior. Would rather have Vlad Guro Junior than Trout
Speaker 2: the next two years?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Aaron Judge, Oh yes, right, that's a tough one,
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm thinking in Dynasty.
Speaker 2: My brain, the old diverse, would you rather have the
Speaker 2: next two years than Mike Trout?
Speaker 1: That's a big yes for me. Was a Ramrrors would
Speaker 1: you rather have him?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're up.
Speaker 2: Till like five six, So now we're getting closer, so
Speaker 2: he's closer to being a tent now where it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: Fernando Tatist Junior, who we haven't seen all year.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Kunia Tatis Mark Cunia.
Speaker 2: Okay, So basically we're pushing almost a ten here without
Speaker 2: any pitchers or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I think this is a true statement.
Speaker 2: I mean, the back issues, the strikeouts, everything that's going
Speaker 2: on here with Trout. This is the normal peak of
Speaker 2: a player twenty eight to thirty, but because of the
Speaker 2: style played Mike Trout had. My whole point was I
Speaker 2: Trout's at a point where I don't want to say
Speaker 2: he's on the down side, but he's certainly not the
Speaker 2: same player he was in his early twenties. The style
Speaker 2: of play, how hardy played in the field, how hardy
Speaker 2: played on the bass pass. You know, Mike Trout is
Speaker 2: a twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven year old player.
Speaker 2: Mike Trout in his thirties is a very different player.
Speaker 2: And I think this is a real question we have
Speaker 2: to ask ourselves. And this was the biggest one, and
Speaker 2: Bizirizigizza just beat us to it. Julio Rodriguez or Mike
Speaker 2: Trout the next two years.
Speaker 3: I want Julio in Dynasty, Julio I have above.
Speaker 1: In real life. I want Julio. I think he's a
Speaker 1: better defender at this point in his career.
Speaker 2: Too.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest.
Speaker 4: I mean, I do think we're we're doing the bit though,
Speaker 4: we're doing this Mic Trout bit that has been done
Speaker 4: for the last four years, where everyone's like, you know, is.
Speaker 3: Microut really valuable? Like we really still love him, he's.
Speaker 1: The vlleable Like is he a top ten player anymore?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, But I think ourselves in Dynasty, if he's not
Speaker 2: a top ten player, and I can get one of
Speaker 2: these guys that we're talking about in a Mike Trout
Speaker 2: deal that take it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're in a bigger space of that. Now.
Speaker 4: He's thirty one years old. Guys have played one hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty games since twenty sixteen. He's a couple of
Speaker 4: years removed from an incredible season. But we're just not
Speaker 4: seeing I mean, if you space everything out, if you
Speaker 4: space out and you pace this, he's still putting up
Speaker 4: incredible numbers. He just does not steal bases at any
Speaker 4: clip anymore. He hasn't stolen double digits since twenty nineteen,
Speaker 4: and he doesn't look like he's remotely close on pace
Speaker 4: to it.
Speaker 3: So he's a different player.
Speaker 4: He's still, let's not get it twisted though, he's still
Speaker 4: like an elite three category player that pushes a fourth
Speaker 4: with batting average. He's just a nothing burger on stolen bases,
Speaker 4: which makes like Trout versus Jordan Alvarez another fascinating one,
Speaker 4: and that wouldn't have been remotely close to me even
Speaker 4: coming into this year.
Speaker 3: I'd rather have Alvarez, but now.
Speaker 4: I agree like Alvarez is also a four category player
Speaker 4: who's surprisingly staying healthy. Batting average looks even better and
Speaker 4: I would be comfortable taking Alvarez over him at this point,
Speaker 4: which changed. But I'm just saying, like, I think the
Speaker 4: tier in the clump of what we're talking about is
Speaker 4: a much bigger pool where it wasn't coming into this year.
Speaker 3: I think it was like you had the Akunya.
Speaker 4: Tatis Soto, Tawny Vlad maybe throw Ramirez Trout and there's
Speaker 4: like eight guys. This has now turned into this like
Speaker 4: sixteen pool of guys that you're like, wow, these are
Speaker 4: all great, Like you could start.
Speaker 2: Arguing Bobby witt On, like there's some other guys on
Speaker 2: that fringe there that you could ask the question as well.
Speaker 1: And there's some other guys too.
Speaker 2: There established guys in there, you know, late twenties, early
Speaker 2: thirty guys like gold Schmitt and Pee Alonso. Who would
Speaker 2: you rab have next two years, pet Alonso or Mike Trout.
Speaker 3: I'll go Mike Trout.
Speaker 1: Pete Alonso is leading the league in RBI, no I know,
Speaker 1: and he's.
Speaker 3: It's super easy for us to be.
Speaker 4: Like, we're gonna take everybody over Mike Trout when their
Speaker 4: team is in the biggest struggle bus ever, in the
Speaker 4: biggest bus ever, When is he I mean, that's a
Speaker 4: great that's a great point.
Speaker 2: Like at a certain point, when do we just call
Speaker 2: the angels what they are and how do we see
Speaker 2: it getting better in the next two years, Because I
Speaker 2: don't see it.
Speaker 4: Whoda rather Aving Dynasty, Mike Trout or Bryce Harper. There
Speaker 4: there's a year difference. There's only by the way, okay.
Speaker 2: Harper, But I've always been a Harper guy, very very
Speaker 2: pro Harper compared to the rest of the field. All right,
Speaker 2: let's talk about the MLB draft last night. It did happen,
Speaker 2: and the first overall pick was son of former Major
Speaker 2: leaguer Matt Holliday and Little Debbie snack cake sponsor Jackson Holiday,
Speaker 2: obviously the spokesperson for a Little Debbie.
Speaker 1: There, Jackson Holiday.
Speaker 3: I've never seen someone look younger.
Speaker 4: I've never felt older than that moment, because we all,
Speaker 4: like you struggle with that whole age thing and stuff
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: My god, if that.
Speaker 2: Was Little Debbie's and he knows it, I would be
Speaker 2: all over Jackson Holiday. I was like, look, we want
Speaker 2: to make you the new face of the snackcakes, like
Speaker 2: the zebra cakes, the oatmeal pies.
Speaker 3: But you're as your dad for permission.
Speaker 2: Though you're asking either dad to sign this permission slip,
Speaker 2: have your mom drive you over here.
Speaker 1: He looks. It's unbelievable. But here's the question.
Speaker 2: Drew Jones went second, which I thought he was the
Speaker 2: best player in the draft. He went to the Diamondbacks.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Bogman is just ecstatic about that. I assume
Speaker 2: you are as well.
Speaker 4: Here's about Bogman, who cares about what I was ecstatic
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 3: That was all that I wanted.
Speaker 1: That's all that you wanted was your and you got it.
Speaker 1: So why did why you Joe not.
Speaker 3: The one fan of the world because of money? Because
Speaker 3: well as you were just.
Speaker 2: A pure Diamondbacks fan or if you had other allegiances,
Speaker 2: I always forgot that.
Speaker 3: Base Well, I love baseball. I love baseball in general.
Speaker 2: You know, like there's some people that have like an
Speaker 2: American League team in the National League team, where like
Speaker 2: they moved so they weren't always like a Diamondback fan,
Speaker 2: like I never remembered if.
Speaker 1: You were at just straight up d Backs.
Speaker 4: I am a straight up said, I'm a straight up
Speaker 4: Arizona Diamback guy.
Speaker 3: That incredible draft.
Speaker 4: You know, I actually said money and I incorrectly said
Speaker 4: that because what has come out is that he's gonna
Speaker 4: get Holiday's gonna get over eight million dollars, So there
Speaker 4: might be like a five hundred, eight hundred thousand dollars deal,
Speaker 4: but they've felt the talent was there full five tools
Speaker 4: continuously got better, which okay, maybe that's the case, but
Speaker 4: I think Drew Jones was the ultimate talent.
Speaker 3: The guy's gonna fill out.
Speaker 4: You're easily gonna be able to put on twenty five
Speaker 4: plus of muscle onto his frame. He has not grown
Speaker 4: out like some of these guys. Tamar Johnson is a
Speaker 4: kid that's like already pre filled out. Both of these
Speaker 4: guys are five tool players, just and IL say Andrew Jones.
Speaker 4: But Drew Jones is the player that I would be,
Speaker 4: you know, putting my hopes onto. I think he's got
Speaker 4: massive power that I'm not sure Holiday has one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: But both their five tool guys, and I mean nothing though,
Speaker 4: led to the shock of the third round, the third
Speaker 4: overall pick, which I well, I had got rumors on Joe, right, let's.
Speaker 1: Talk about that.
Speaker 4: So I did a live stream for the draft and
Speaker 4: I mentioned this about five minutes before it happened with
Speaker 4: Kumar Rocker.
Speaker 1: Well, what's so funny?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, the son of you know, Matt Holliday,
Speaker 2: the son of Andrew Jones and the son of John Rocker.
Speaker 1: All gain.
Speaker 3: I saw that tweet. I saw that.
Speaker 1: I love that. It's so funny.
Speaker 2: But Kamar Rocker, who the Mets elected and then didn't pay,
Speaker 2: and then he went back to independent league and now
Speaker 2: he is reunited with his former teammate from Vanderbilt, Jack Lighter,
Speaker 2: in the Texas Rangers organization. So they went all in here.
Speaker 2: So was this a good pick a bad pick? He
Speaker 2: was ranked thirty eighth as a prospect, so why did
Speaker 2: this happen?
Speaker 3: Well, oh that the thirty eight stuff, It's simply about.
Speaker 3: People were split.
Speaker 4: Half didn't like, we're worried about the injury stuff, that
Speaker 4: he wasn't revealing everything. The other half absolutely loved him.
Speaker 4: So you were a lover hate on Kumar Rocker. I
Speaker 4: think he's the best pitcher in this draft. Best slider,
Speaker 4: absolutely dominant slider, can go deep into games. As a
Speaker 4: track record, he came back in an independent ball, had
Speaker 4: multiple starts where he's hitting high nineties.
Speaker 3: Slider looks amazing. This is a dude.
Speaker 4: This is an absolute dude. There was so much fake
Speaker 4: stuff going out there it could be a reliever. And
Speaker 4: there's this and that this isn't as surprising as should
Speaker 4: we be giving it to be. And they're getting a
Speaker 4: two million dollars savings on Kumar Rocker. They're signing him
Speaker 4: around five where slot is seven, and they're gonna use
Speaker 4: that reportedly today on the top high school pitcher brock Porter,
Speaker 4: who has slipped and fell and should be getting a
Speaker 4: whole bunch of money. It's a great pick. It's a
Speaker 4: really great pick. Kumar Rocker coming into this. I'm happy
Speaker 4: to say this because I've seen some others turn page
Speaker 4: coming in. I already had Kamar Rocker is my number
Speaker 4: one pitcher for first year player drafts, but before any
Speaker 4: of this business happened of him going three, and a
Speaker 4: lot of people have kind of turned tune and they're like, hey,
Speaker 4: now Kamar Rockers number one.
Speaker 3: That's where I was because I thought this is I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be still.
Speaker 2: Pissed off as a Mets fan, Like I was just
Speaker 2: so mad, Like, I mean, that's just such a frust
Speaker 2: rate thing.
Speaker 1: He's watching me show.
Speaker 3: He's a team leader, he's really really I watched.
Speaker 1: The pitch of Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2: I saw the highlights of him and Lighter, and I
Speaker 2: watched a ton of it last year, and it was
Speaker 2: just like, you know, I was like, well, if you're
Speaker 2: gonna make this pick, you know, why do you do
Speaker 2: the due diligence before? And then you know he's just
Speaker 2: gonna go back in the draft. Somebod's gonna draft him
Speaker 2: high again, and he did. Is exactly what happened.
Speaker 4: I just don't think they were expecting the medicals. I
Speaker 4: agree with you here the same thing the Braves did
Speaker 4: it with Carter Young a couple of years ago. It's like,
Speaker 4: why did you not have this completely figured out? Like
Speaker 4: I don't understand why this isn't figured out.
Speaker 2: I think it's literally their job, Like this is what
Speaker 2: you do. Yeah, you are the scouts that worry about
Speaker 2: the MLB draft. Let's take you through the top ten
Speaker 2: guys as well, because I know you know that list
Speaker 2: right now. Who stands out to you in the top
Speaker 2: ten and then the first round? Give me, like the
Speaker 2: two or three guys that you were really high on
Speaker 2: or you liked the landing spot.
Speaker 4: For them, Well, I mean number two on my first
Speaker 4: year player list. I've got a top five hundred and
Speaker 4: doing all this in this league dot com. If people
Speaker 4: want to sign up and check out the list, we'll
Speaker 4: be updated soon. But Tamar Johnson with the Pirates is
Speaker 4: such a freaking deal.
Speaker 3: I absolutely love him.
Speaker 4: Probably the best bat in this entire draft, which hey,
Speaker 4: for fantasy, we love that doesn't steal a whole bunch.
Speaker 4: That was my probably ultimate favorite of the entire draft.
Speaker 4: I kind of like brooks Lee who went to Minnesota
Speaker 4: at a incredibly high hit tool can kind of have
Speaker 4: some all fields power pushed around.
Speaker 3: Kevin Parrada to the Mets.
Speaker 4: Was I love I dude, I got Prada at like
Speaker 4: six and he's a catcher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasna I had him at six too, and
Speaker 2: he went eleven to the Mets.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he steals Basis Toll eleven bases at Georgia
Speaker 4: Tech this past year makes incredible, incredible contact for fantasy.
Speaker 3: The couple guys to watch.
Speaker 4: Chase de Lauder, who went to the Guardians at eighteen,
Speaker 4: was a really really great pick at one time thought
Speaker 4: as maybe the top guy. And then this little barrage
Speaker 4: right here of Justin Crawford and Cam Collier. Collier fell slipped,
Speaker 4: but huge pickups. Collier is probably the highest player on
Speaker 4: my personal rank who went the lowest in the draft.
Speaker 4: Lou Collier's son, huge power, really athletic third baseman, got
Speaker 4: he's got that.
Speaker 1: Jordan Walker, Yeah, he was right eight talent well and
Speaker 1: he went eighteenth. That's a big dip.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So those are a couple of them. It was
Speaker 4: a great draft. We went into the second round. There's
Speaker 4: some huge talent. Maybe my favorite, most unheralded player. He
Speaker 4: went thirteenth to the Angels.
Speaker 3: Zach Nedo.
Speaker 4: Kind of a big Royce Lewis front leg kick, but
Speaker 4: he's a five tool guy almost. He almost was a
Speaker 4: twenty twenty player, really really talented, and it's a little
Speaker 4: bit raw and he played at a smaller school, so
Speaker 4: I have to see where that goes. But that's going
Speaker 4: to be one of those guys that's going to jump up.
Speaker 4: Is it's not going to register for people on first
Speaker 4: year player boards, but netto. So it was a great
Speaker 4: first round, great talent, and more to come.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the home run derby. Obviously tonight,
Speaker 2: the odds have changed since last week left you on Friday,
Speaker 2: so they have moved significantly at that to pet A
Speaker 2: Lonzo plus one eighty five, Kylee Swarber two seventy, Won
Speaker 2: Soto plus six fifty.
Speaker 1: Then we had Kney at six fifty. Julio is at
Speaker 1: plus eight fifty.
Speaker 2: So those twelve or ten to one on Julio and
Speaker 2: then twelve to one on Corey Seeger Well, Corey Siegers
Speaker 2: now plus nine to fifty. So here's what you have
Speaker 2: to do if you want to get involved in the
Speaker 2: home run derby contest. Here once again just going through this.
Speaker 2: To play, you have to be a premium member Fantasy
Speaker 2: Pros obviously because you're in the home run chat over
Speaker 2: on Discord. The example is exclamation point home run, like
Speaker 2: you always make your call slash call. Then you put
Speaker 2: the first name of the guy you think is going
Speaker 2: to finish, first the comma the second player, and then
Speaker 2: of course the number of home runs. So just for
Speaker 2: example three hundred and ninety, I see that whenever the
Speaker 2: graphic was made here, so good job making this graphic.
Speaker 2: I know Wonky's been working on this. I want to
Speaker 2: say it was mister Buster made it made the fun
Speaker 2: amazing graphic. We're both wearing our crowns. You're wearing your
Speaker 2: tr I'm.
Speaker 3: Wearing my Where is it? Where is this?
Speaker 2: I don't know if they posted it in the Discord
Speaker 2: home run channel yet or not, but I got it
Speaker 2: sent to me, so I guess it's going to be
Speaker 2: at least posted today, Wonky, I don't know is it
Speaker 2: posted in the Discord channel.
Speaker 1: But so you need the person.
Speaker 2: Going first, comma second place finisher, and then the number
Speaker 2: home runs. So if you get all things right here
Speaker 2: and you do very well, you get three points. So
Speaker 2: the person who correctly names the first place person, the
Speaker 2: second place hitter, and the closest to the total number
Speaker 2: gets three points. Anyone who picks the winner and the
Speaker 2: second place person in that correct order gets two points.
Speaker 2: Anyone who picks the winner gets one point. So I
Speaker 2: have made my wager also on Juan Soto. I think
Speaker 2: he's the best bang for my buck there at the
Speaker 2: plus six fifty. I put that down this morning. So
Speaker 2: let's go Juan Soto. Last call here for your pick.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Sodo one and Pete Alonso two. I
Speaker 2: think it's gonna be the old dogs going for it.
Speaker 2: That's my call.
Speaker 1: How about you, Welsh?
Speaker 4: Where are you going, Oh, man, I just see Mayor
Speaker 4: just almost put exactly where I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go Alonzo one, Schwarber two, and I'm gonna put the
Speaker 4: number at I'm gonna I'm gonna do like a one
Speaker 4: dollar thing on him. I'm gonna go to ninety five.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go two over him. So I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: Alonzo Schwarber two ninety five. That's gonna be my fife.
Speaker 4: Do I need making it here? Is that good enough
Speaker 4: for me?
Speaker 3: Do I need to go on this?
Speaker 1: I think?
Speaker 2: I think I think for the good of the contest,
Speaker 2: you should make it in the home run chat.
Speaker 1: I think everybody should do that.
Speaker 2: I think everybody should just go one to run higher
Speaker 2: than whatever whatever Mike Maher does. I think that's definitely
Speaker 2: the way it goes. Because Mike Mayer's moving this week two.
Speaker 2: Speaking of moving, somebody else moving really close. Here's fun fact.
Speaker 2: We'll close on this justin Verlander of the Astros is
Speaker 2: the first picture of Major League Baseball history. I know
Speaker 2: Welsh loves the historical moments. I do enter the All
Speaker 2: Star break with twelve or more wins an eight hundred
Speaker 2: winning percentage, an ERA under two, an opponent's batting average
Speaker 2: under two hundred, a whip under point nine zero, and
Speaker 2: a five to one k walk ratio.
Speaker 1: How about them apples.
Speaker 2: And by the way, the Astros have like the easiest
Speaker 2: schedule on the planet coming out of the break into
Speaker 2: the second half. So I am still guns a blazing
Speaker 2: for Justin Verlander.
Speaker 1: Cy Young?
Speaker 3: What are the numbers?
Speaker 1: M where the numbers? Right?
Speaker 3: Have you looked like the Cy Young alcion?
Speaker 1: They're still right neck and neck.
Speaker 2: But I think that everybody's just not thinking enough about
Speaker 2: what sect and half McClanahan might look like.
Speaker 1: I'll give you the exact number right here.
Speaker 3: I'm looking on too on bettingpros dot com.
Speaker 2: By the way, Otani's minus one oh five for MVP that.
Speaker 4: You can get two sixty on Verlander Standuel right now
Speaker 4: with the ability to buy down Shaye McClanahan at two
Speaker 4: hundred and Garrett Cole is ten to one.
Speaker 2: He's mad Joeyotani plus eight fifty, which is fascinating too,
Speaker 2: just saying yeah, yeah, that's also if you're gonna make
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Speaker 2: check out those odds or if you want to put
Speaker 2: in some player futures as well, get that bad boy
Speaker 2: done because, uh, it's a fun night.
Speaker 1: You put a little, even if ten bucks on somebody
Speaker 1: for the Home Run Derby, it's fun.
Speaker 2: It's fun, a little bit of juice when you're watching,
Speaker 2: and you can get really upset in the first round
Speaker 2: or really excited. Possibly if you win the whole thing
Speaker 2: and turn you know, ten bucks into fifty, that's that's
Speaker 2: a nice day.
Speaker 1: That's fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have some BAGM and I actually on our
Speaker 4: our Ends League twitch stream, we are gonna run the
Speaker 4: entire Home Run Derby. We're gonna go through each bracket.
Speaker 4: We're gonna play it out on MLB the show during
Speaker 4: a Home Run context night at one pm Eastern here,
Speaker 4: and I'm hoping to draft Alonzo.
Speaker 3: We're gonna do each bracket. I want the Alonzo one
Speaker 3: to win, so we'll do whatever you can to have
Speaker 3: fun with it.
Speaker 4: Bet it, play it I'm actually going to make sure
Speaker 4: I'm locked in for the first time in forever because
Speaker 4: of Julio, which has got me pretty jacked up. Do
Speaker 4: you think anybody will put up a big old donut,
Speaker 4: you know, like, no one like zero to three?
Speaker 1: No, No, I think I think everybody's still no donuts here,
Speaker 1: That's what I think.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll come back tomorrow and recap it all
Speaker 2: again eleven am Eastern all week here and leading off.
Speaker 1: That'll do it for us, But the story of the
Speaker 1: game goes on for the Welsh. I'm Joey P. We'll
Speaker 1: see you next time. Kids.
Speaker 2: The