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Speaker 1: it's your host and producer, Jody. Some of you have
Speaker 1: asked how do you turn a stand up set into
Speaker 1: a true crime podcast? And in my experience, it takes
Speaker 1: a lot of time and trust and some seriously great collaborators.
Speaker 1: What you're going to hear is a bonus episode of
Speaker 1: my collaborator, Ed and me spilling the tea on how
Speaker 1: this thing got made. We're also talking about our roller
Speaker 1: coaster relationship across eight and a half years and how
Speaker 1: we got to a point where we were able to
Speaker 1: trust each other enough to make the story. So please
Speaker 1: enjoy this conversation with myself and Ed. As always, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for listening.
Speaker 2: Ed.
Speaker 1: We have known each other now for almost ten years.
Speaker 3: Yeah we have, Yeah, we have.
Speaker 1: This is Has this been the longest project that you've
Speaker 1: ever worked on?
Speaker 3: It's same Yeah, yeah, easily longest.
Speaker 1: SAME's It's been fun it has.
Speaker 3: It's taken a while.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: There's no excuse for anything start to last.
Speaker 1: Ten years, especially when everything happened in basically twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: in previous Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: It's it's weird working with someone from my side. It's
Speaker 3: weird working with someone and then having that relationship develop
Speaker 3: over the course of ten years because you have like
Speaker 3: real tangible changes in people's like mental and like circumstantial
Speaker 3: and just is that word? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think that. Okay, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1: What now that you know who I am as a person,
Speaker 1: and I do think that you're I consider you friend.
Speaker 1: What surprised you about getting to know me basically living
Speaker 1: in my home for weeks at a time across multiple years.
Speaker 3: How much you love TikTok shop? Firstly? Secondly, I think
Speaker 3: everyone's got their own way of working. I think I'm
Speaker 3: kind of quite good at understanding your way of working. Now.
Speaker 3: I think you're really good at what you did. So
Speaker 3: when I met you and Edinburgh, you could have been anyone. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I didn't realize you were really like like shit hot
Speaker 3: at what you do and like like brilliant, Like the
Speaker 3: questions that I was asking on the car ride to
Speaker 3: things were things that you had sorted out four months
Speaker 3: pre like do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yes, I would say my life for the last ten
Speaker 1: years has been dipping into a constant meditation of ED
Speaker 1: like what's ED doing, what's ED thinking? How is he feeling?
Speaker 1: Where's he living? What kind of job does he have?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Is he gigging a lot? Is he traveling a lot?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: I Yeah, it's like put an air tag on you.
Speaker 3: Has that changed a lot for you? Like? Have I
Speaker 3: changed over the course of ten years? Or am I
Speaker 3: pretty much the same guy just with different shirts? Yes?
Speaker 3: And no?
Speaker 1: Okay, I do think. I mean, I think you're you
Speaker 1: are a different person from when I met you. I
Speaker 1: think you're more mature. I think you're in a really
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak for you, but it seems
Speaker 1: like you're in a much more stable place. I think
Speaker 1: that you've you're clearly successful, Like and I feel like
Speaker 1: I met you when you were a child. I know
Speaker 1: that sounds so ridiculous, but you were twenty three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty three, Yeah, I think definitely.
Speaker 1: And I was a little older. I'm were exactly ten
Speaker 1: years apart. I was thirty three. I guess when I
Speaker 1: met you then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. I think I definitely think of
Speaker 3: myself as a kid when we met, and at the time,
Speaker 3: I thought of myself as a grown up. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if everyone feels to keep on
Speaker 3: the twenty two, but when we first met, I definitely
Speaker 3: had nothing down, Like, I had no idea what I
Speaker 3: was doing. I had no clue where I was going.
Speaker 3: How I like, even this story, I had no idea.
Speaker 3: I was not prepared to tell this story when I
Speaker 3: was twenty two. And in a way, I'm really glad
Speaker 3: that I'm it would have been lovely to have got
Speaker 3: this cut and done in the year or two, like
Speaker 3: get to get out to the people. I'm super glad
Speaker 3: that we kind of end it ten years after I
Speaker 3: started it, because the way I look at it, the
Speaker 3: way I look at the story is completely different. And
Speaker 3: also I feel like the kind of house guest I
Speaker 3: am is completely different now as well. I'm a lot,
Speaker 3: a lot less nervous.
Speaker 1: You were a great house guest, but I know I
Speaker 1: felt so bad. Truthfully, there was an option to put
Speaker 1: you up at hotel, and I was like, I just
Speaker 1: don't know about this kid. I put him in my
Speaker 1: house so I can find No exactly and bring him
Speaker 1: to the gig and make sure he gets there. Was
Speaker 1: the producer brain in me. I'm like, gotta keep eyes
Speaker 1: on him. But now you're just a friend. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let me trust it can get I never thought you
Speaker 1: still from but yeah, no. I now I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: Ed's coming to town or we need to go somewhere.
Speaker 1: And I just feel like you're You're easy to travel
Speaker 1: with too, both live with temporarily and easy to travel with,
Speaker 1: though maybe your partner would feel differently.
Speaker 3: I'm not very abrasive. I'm not a very abrasive person.
Speaker 3: And I think the weirdest thing is how quiet I've become. Yes,
Speaker 3: because people are like, if you used to be a
Speaker 3: loudmouthed and then you can quiet, Everyone assumes you're sad
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 1: I assume most comedians are sad all the time, to
Speaker 1: be honest, Is that accurate?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is accurate. But then we've not really had
Speaker 3: anything to be sad about, necessarily because every time we
Speaker 3: do these trips, every time, like every time I'm way together,
Speaker 3: it's just a food tool. This is all we do.
Speaker 3: And I wanted to like run passed you. For ten years,
Speaker 3: We've been working really hard. The amount of work we've
Speaker 3: done is equal to the amount of bougie food we
Speaker 3: eat in bo Jungles.
Speaker 1: Is there something you'd like someone to donate something to
Speaker 1: the podcast? What's your favorite food?
Speaker 3: Like? Who could? Would you any any American biscuit? Like
Speaker 3: the biscuits. I came here thinking they were nothing and
Speaker 3: they are everything to me. Chicken biscuits, the sweet biscuits,
Speaker 3: the blueberry ones.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they're the best now that we have
Speaker 1: done the food tour of America. Yeah, what's your favorite?
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite chain?
Speaker 3: Oh? It's Bojangles, It's Bojungles, Bojangles. You do. That was
Speaker 3: going to be an ask for sponsorship, but it turned
Speaker 3: a bit creep.
Speaker 1: I don't even think they sponsored podcasts.
Speaker 3: Which you think we could get bow Jungles.
Speaker 1: I love bow j Angles too. I feel like part
Speaker 1: of that is because I like Bowjngles, I'd be like, well,
Speaker 1: we have these options, but if you really want something
Speaker 1: good else?
Speaker 3: Serious question about the podcast? Sure, How worried were you
Speaker 3: that the story that you saw in Edinburgh and the
Speaker 3: real story were completely like there was nothing in common.
Speaker 3: How concerned were you when you first saw it? So
Speaker 3: I understand it only lasted until you researched it. But
Speaker 3: when you first saw it, were you like this story
Speaker 3: is bullshit.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I saw your set, was
Speaker 1: so impressed and thought it was really interesting, and I
Speaker 1: thought the genre blending of crime in comedy was interesting.
Speaker 1: And I was just coming off of working at Warner
Speaker 1: Brothers and doing a bunch of crime shows, and I
Speaker 1: was always told like, don't do crime in comedy, especially
Speaker 1: what is a double homicide, which is very serious, you know,
Speaker 1: And so of course when they tell you don't do
Speaker 1: it for like ten years or work for almost eleven years,
Speaker 1: that's the only thing you.
Speaker 3: Want to do.
Speaker 1: So I saw your set and I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: So I think I reached out before I even researched anything.
Speaker 1: But then afterwards I was like, Okay, let me make
Speaker 1: sure that this guy's legit. And you were, and so
Speaker 1: I was like, sweet, that was very fortunate of me.
Speaker 1: So I think like part of it was me being
Speaker 1: told no for so long, don't do this, don't do this,
Speaker 1: and then I saw your set and I was like,
Speaker 1: but you can, it can exist. So let's try. I
Speaker 1: think it was just that, you know, I think I
Speaker 1: think it was just me trying to be a maverick
Speaker 1: and like say like, Okay, let's see if we can
Speaker 1: do this. And then there you were, and I was like,
Speaker 1: he is this kid is doing it now. So that
Speaker 1: was part of being attracted to the material naturally, and
Speaker 1: then I think, yeah, I once I did research, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, how fortunate that it's true for me.
Speaker 1: What was your biggest hesitation for working with me to
Speaker 1: do this podcast?
Speaker 3: Inviting the whole world into a very small village, kind
Speaker 3: of knowing how quickly word spreads in the village we
Speaker 3: saw it, Yeah, parselves when we went into the standstead.
Speaker 3: Before I started working with you on this, I could
Speaker 3: go into that village and it was fine. It's definitely
Speaker 3: this project that has made them very cautious of me,
Speaker 3: and I don't think I'll ever go back there. But
Speaker 3: I'm kind of happy about that because I have not
Speaker 3: a lot of great things, a great memories. They're wonderful people,
Speaker 3: they're good people, but like, yeah, I was scared to
Speaker 3: invite the media circus into the village, and I knew
Speaker 3: how quickly people would be like guarded. I mean we
Speaker 3: got kicked out of yeah, two three pubs. No one
Speaker 3: would talk to us. The Career Club didn't want anything
Speaker 3: to do with us.
Speaker 1: So by the time I got there, you had accepted that,
Speaker 1: like we let these people tell the story. I can
Speaker 1: no longer really return because people will resent me for
Speaker 1: having opened the world to this story.
Speaker 3: It's not like I can't it's not like I can't
Speaker 3: go back. It's more that just I think, for the
Speaker 3: rest of my life in that village, I'll be the
Speaker 3: person did show about the village and the village they
Speaker 3: want to keep everything like hush hush. They want to
Speaker 3: move on completely, which is understandable. But yeah, that was
Speaker 3: the thing that surprised me most about this, all of this,
Speaker 3: was how quickly it went from the village being fine,
Speaker 3: like not noteworthy. I was just the comedian guy that left,
Speaker 3: to being actively not welcome anymore.
Speaker 1: I think that's something that people don't know, that you
Speaker 1: have to sacrifice when you're willing to open up and
Speaker 1: tell the truth because you're especially in nonfiction like you're
Speaker 1: that's exactly that people look at you differently, people who
Speaker 1: you've known for a super long time, people who are
Speaker 1: like super invested with and it's always surprising too, Like
Speaker 1: I think that's the cost that most people don't understand.
Speaker 1: And it is a brave thing. I mean, it legitimately is.
Speaker 1: And that's just something I might be a useless point,
Speaker 1: but it is an active decision and there isn't and
Speaker 1: there is a price to be paid to some degree
Speaker 1: and some people maybe some people never do depending on
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what's the family price? Yeah, because I know,
Speaker 3: I know that you guys are good intentions, Like I
Speaker 3: trust you, I trust everyone we work with. My mom
Speaker 3: and dad don't know that. My brothers don't know that.
Speaker 3: They have to take me in my word, and like
Speaker 3: it's a lot to ask of people. It is a
Speaker 3: lot to ask. But I mean, she loved you when
Speaker 3: she met you, Carol, Carol loved you. Carol was so
Speaker 3: excited to have an American in her home room. And
Speaker 3: she's told all my family about it since, Like we
Speaker 3: had Americans over the Americans because.
Speaker 1: It's too I do remember Americans. The Americans are here,
Speaker 1: they are when you walked in, the Americans are here done.
Speaker 3: And he came touring up and he was something that
Speaker 3: probably won't make it onto the podcast that I feel
Speaker 3: like we should maybe let the listeners know. Sure, my father,
Speaker 3: my father was wildly inappropriate when he spoke to to Jody,
Speaker 3: not I mean, not in appropriate way towards you. He
Speaker 3: just told stories about my mother and his relationship from
Speaker 3: like really early on. And occasionally I'd open I was
Speaker 3: in the garden when you guys were talking, I'd open
Speaker 3: the door. I'd hear it and be like, fucking nope.
Speaker 3: And then in the car afterwards, you were like, well,
Speaker 3: we learned a lot about things we didn't ask.
Speaker 1: I heard all about how you were made.
Speaker 3: Ah. Man, that's so rough.
Speaker 1: I think it's so sweet that like they're very much
Speaker 1: in love. That is something I can discover. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is gross, isn't it? And it's lovely. It's also adorable.
Speaker 1: But yeah, You're was not who I was expecting, least
Speaker 1: on the set. But it also sounds like he's changed
Speaker 1: tremendously as a person too. Carol was exactly who you
Speaker 1: I think portray.
Speaker 3: Carol hasn't changed since nineteen eighty nine. There's been no
Speaker 3: there's been no change. She was wonderful then, she's wonderful now.
Speaker 3: She likes what she likes Dad's completely changed. He's way
Speaker 3: mellower all of us are. I think, Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 3: It's weird seeing my family interact with you guys. That
Speaker 3: was really difficult. That was the most difficult part of
Speaker 3: all of this, because I just wanted to manage them
Speaker 3: or like coach them on how to respond to you properly,
Speaker 3: because not in terms of what they said, just in
Speaker 3: terms of if you asked the question, answer the question right,
Speaker 3: just answer the questions, and you're not one that you
Speaker 3: thought of.
Speaker 1: I had a lot of empathy for you when you
Speaker 1: we literally went into your childhood home, met your parents
Speaker 1: and your brothers, and because I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine if I invited ed to my house
Speaker 1: to meet Kennon Sutobe, like I would just be so
Speaker 1: already kind of embarrassing for just because it's a little
Speaker 1: I don't know why. But then to talk about like obviously,
Speaker 1: like you know, the worst night of their lives, intimate
Speaker 1: details about growing up and being close to everybody involved
Speaker 1: in this story, I was I did, like I kind
Speaker 1: of felt like second hand cringe for you. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: we were there, but again, everybody was incredibly kind and
Speaker 1: gracious and fair and very you were raised. Well, everyone
Speaker 1: was really everyone was really chill.
Speaker 3: It was good. I felt like I was fourteen again. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was straight back into like being an angsty teenager,
Speaker 3: which sucks, but yeah, it was good. What was your
Speaker 3: favorite part of all of this? Was there one moment,
Speaker 3: like a not like a finding out bit, but was
Speaker 3: there one bit of the last ten years that you thought.
Speaker 1: My favorite thing about this entire process has been watching
Speaker 1: TV with you and producer Charles.
Speaker 3: I want to take this moment. Yeah. Producer Charles doesn't
Speaker 3: get any time on this at all. We love Tenderfoot,
Speaker 3: we love everybody Donald, everyone's great. Producer Charles is the
Speaker 3: unsung hero of this podcast, and he doesn't want to
Speaker 3: be in front of the camera, but he is the best. Yes,
Speaker 3: And you've known producer Charles for how long?
Speaker 1: We met on my first day working at Warner Brothers Discovery,
Speaker 1: which would have been two thousand and January two thousand
Speaker 1: and six. So we sat next to each other and
Speaker 1: I just heard someone over the cube and I was like,
Speaker 1: who's this person? Because I'm from Atlanta, Charles is from
Speaker 1: North Carolina. Was like, oh, some I might have a
Speaker 1: friend and he did not want to be my friend.
Speaker 1: I do remember that at first, but eventually I wore
Speaker 1: him down and he's been a longtime collaborator. But yes,
Speaker 1: watching television. What have we watched together?
Speaker 3: We started off with Naked Attraction in the UK. I
Speaker 3: don't know if America have that yet they do?
Speaker 1: We do we have just recently, Yes.
Speaker 3: The British one or is it an American one?
Speaker 4: It's the British one. Okay, cool, full frontal, full frontal.
Speaker 4: We watched that here. A lot we watched. I mean
Speaker 4: while we were here, we've been watching j Loo's j Loo's,
Speaker 4: Jo's Amazon.
Speaker 1: Prime feature self made feature film, and the doc.
Speaker 3: And the documentary. And I actually watched Jaelo's feature film
Speaker 3: twice because someone gets to watch it. He wanted to
Speaker 3: watch it, so we watched it again. It's good the
Speaker 3: second time.
Speaker 1: It's like mystery This is how the best way to
Speaker 1: describe it to everyone else, Like I'm just here laughing,
Speaker 1: I'm contributing nothing, But it's like Mystery Science Theater three thousand.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that show? And it's the guys in
Speaker 1: the front just commenting, and it's you and Charles going
Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth and it is. I
Speaker 1: firmly believe both of you could could make anything very funny.
Speaker 1: But those have been my favorite times is watching those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just getting a little tipsy at the end of a
Speaker 1: very long day and then just listening to you guys
Speaker 1: riff a.
Speaker 3: Little little drunk and then something unhinged. Yes, and just
Speaker 3: listen to childs be funny. It's perfect.
Speaker 1: What else happened that's interesting along our journey that people
Speaker 1: might oh, our sound guy Joe, that's an interesting story.
Speaker 3: It is we should talk about Joe.
Speaker 1: So when we went to the UK the first time
Speaker 1: to record with your family and everybody, we brought a
Speaker 1: sound person along and Joe since then has been on
Speaker 1: Mister Beast and he competed and won like a quarter
Speaker 1: of a million dollars with another guy, and the challenge
Speaker 1: was ten thousand dollars for every day that you can
Speaker 1: live in the woods. So we got to watch that.
Speaker 1: It was very weird to watch Joe do that show.
Speaker 3: You'll know him Grizz Grizz. Yes, oh, sound guy Grizz. Yeah.
Speaker 3: He was funny as well. He was fun to watch
Speaker 3: Nati Attraction with.
Speaker 1: Yes, he pitched in he did yeah, and.
Speaker 3: That was when we were in I felt so self
Speaker 3: conscious because whenever I'm here it's like I don't want
Speaker 3: to bring it back to food. But Bojangles' got all
Speaker 3: these like amazing meals and stuff. When you came to England,
Speaker 3: you were walking over the road because we stayed outside
Speaker 3: of stance. Did you had to walk across a busy
Speaker 3: road on like the road in stats to get your
Speaker 3: coffee from a vending machine in the morning because there
Speaker 3: were no coffee shops. I felt so bad for you.
Speaker 3: It was so sad.
Speaker 1: It wasn't you know. But I do think like what
Speaker 1: is what is sad is riding across the road and
Speaker 1: getting like the coffee. But but like when this is
Speaker 1: something else, when you're released into a convenience store or
Speaker 1: a grocery store that's not in the country that you're from,
Speaker 1: looking at every single chip or crisps, looking at every
Speaker 1: single piece of candy, every drink, like that's exact. I
Speaker 1: would just sit there for like I'm sure they thought
Speaker 1: that I was weird or on drugs because I just
Speaker 1: like opened the fridge and just look at it very
Speaker 1: like look at everything, crazy person. Yeah, as if we
Speaker 1: didn't draw enough attention with.
Speaker 3: Our giant mic and our six foot six sound giants
Speaker 3: on guy then was almost the beast and our produce
Speaker 3: and one of our producers who sounded like it was
Speaker 3: from the deep deep South.
Speaker 1: In a little bit, you really did look like a
Speaker 1: Miley Cruse.
Speaker 3: I feel like you could have gotten away with it
Speaker 3: because you have quite a soft American accent. Yeah, Charles
Speaker 3: and Gris were just present.
Speaker 1: The most conspicuous, the most Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then my seat belt. So when you came to England,
Speaker 3: I had to drive you around everywhere. I just bought
Speaker 3: a new car and the seat belt broke on it.
Speaker 3: So the first ten minutes of us driving anywhere to
Speaker 3: any interview with me like tugging on the seat belt.
Speaker 1: At one point, I do remember, I was like, why
Speaker 1: don't you just circle the block head so you don't
Speaker 1: have to.
Speaker 3: Remember that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, just just stay in the car, you're fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had a good time. We do this is this is.
Speaker 1: I think it's unusual that a comedian would want to
Speaker 1: put their stand up set and again in like a
Speaker 1: vein of brave and different. What would you say to
Speaker 1: other comedians who are like looking into podcasting and telling
Speaker 1: a longer story, a close ended story kind of similar
Speaker 1: to ours. Is it something that would you never mind?
Speaker 1: I don't want to know if you would do it again?
Speaker 1: But what would you say to comedians I guess who
Speaker 1: are taking their material and doing different things.
Speaker 3: I would do it again. I would do it again.
Speaker 3: I think comedy depending what storytelling. Comedy and storytelling, AH
Speaker 3: go hand in hand. But when you start doing something
Speaker 3: like this, the storytelling element takes over. You need to
Speaker 3: be super good at having really uncomfortable conversations and uncomfortable
Speaker 3: questions asked of you, relinquishing control of because for a
Speaker 3: stand up we write, and we direct and we perform.
Speaker 3: Relinquish and control of what you've made. That's pretty difficult.
Speaker 3: It's super worth it, I really, I think it's been brilliant.
Speaker 3: It's been a really good experience. It's exciting to take
Speaker 3: something I made and watch it evolve into an entirely
Speaker 3: different project and peace and get it to a new audience.
Speaker 3: That's really great. But I wouldn't and this is I
Speaker 3: don't mean this in a joking way. I wouldn't say
Speaker 3: any of this has been comfortable. It's not. It's been
Speaker 3: really tricky conversations it's been killing a lot of my
Speaker 3: own personal darlings, and it's also been You've got to
Speaker 3: kind of confront the questions that people might have that
Speaker 3: you and the conversations people might have that you don't
Speaker 3: want to have. So I think it's really worth it,
Speaker 3: and I think it's it's such a great thing that
Speaker 3: we've made. But it's fucking difficult, man, It's really difficult.
Speaker 3: It's really, really, really properly hard.
Speaker 1: You put an incredible amount of trust and tenderfoot into me.
Speaker 1: You were co signing on me being in your hometown
Speaker 1: and saying, like, these people are cool, just tell them
Speaker 1: your story. I don't think that people who are professional
Speaker 1: writers and list makers as comedians aren't. Like, that's very uncommon. Like,
Speaker 1: it's extremely uncommon, I think because you're more focused in
Speaker 1: like the narrative space and you know, creating something from nothing,
Speaker 1: and instead, you know, I think my world is taking
Speaker 1: the facts and creating an interesting story from those facts.
Speaker 1: I have more constraints, I guess in that way. And
Speaker 1: so when you take those two genres, it was uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: For me too.
Speaker 1: I guess the answer like it was, it's not the
Speaker 1: same as making a documentary this is. This has been
Speaker 1: a totally different process, which I think is part of
Speaker 1: why it's taken a long time. It again, for me,
Speaker 1: while worth it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the building a piece of work I
Speaker 3: have another pre existing piece of work was challenging because
Speaker 3: I had my own rules. I've got my own rules.
Speaker 3: Every tix seconds. There needs to be a laugh, it
Speaker 3: needs to be a payoff at the end, and you guys,
Speaker 3: and this project doesn't abide by those rules at all.
Speaker 3: So instantly, the second we start making something that doesn't
Speaker 3: follow the rules that I've set for myself, it's not
Speaker 3: it's not right. It needs to be funny, it needs
Speaker 3: to be this, that the other. But getting comfortable with
Speaker 3: the idea that we've told the funny silly, you know,
Speaker 3: stretch the truth on the childhood stories about me kind
Speaker 3: of version of it, knowing that that's like put to bed.
Speaker 3: And we recorded that in Atlanta, which we should talk about.
Speaker 3: It was amazing, and now we have to explore different
Speaker 3: areas of it. Because I wasn't hearing the laughter. Because
Speaker 3: it wasn't I didn't have an instant feedback. And that's
Speaker 3: another thing I'm nervous about this kind of project. I
Speaker 3: don't get instant feedback on stage. If you do a joke,
Speaker 3: the audience will tell you within a millisecond whether they
Speaker 3: approve or not. With this, I'm just kind of going here,
Speaker 3: you go yeah, and then I just have to sit
Speaker 3: back and wait. It's like phishing to see whether people
Speaker 3: like my story and see whether people write.
Speaker 1: You know, people react, So the wide range of reactions
Speaker 1: to this particular set, what's I guess give some context for,
Speaker 1: like the various things that have happened to you when
Speaker 1: you've told this story, because I think I've seen, I've
Speaker 1: seen now you perform at many times. It's different every time.
Speaker 1: The show is different every time. It's worth going to
Speaker 1: because the show is different and people's reactions are crazy. Like,
Speaker 1: what's some of the weirdest.
Speaker 3: I've received a lots of handwritten lotters when I was
Speaker 3: in Edinburgh, by a lot, I don't mean huge amounts
Speaker 3: of My old agent got a lot of letters that
Speaker 3: you passed on to me, which were very sweet and
Speaker 3: it's very nice, but it was weird a lot.
Speaker 1: What were people What were people writing about to you?
Speaker 3: People that had seen the show and it resonated with them,
Speaker 3: and to letting me know their favorite bits of it
Speaker 3: and letting me know things that happened to them. There
Speaker 3: was a lot that there are a lot obviously there's
Speaker 3: not a lot of murdered things, but a lot of
Speaker 3: people wrote to me about having a childhood bully. A
Speaker 3: lot of people wrote to me about growing up in
Speaker 3: a small town. I got a lot a lot of
Speaker 3: people that were from different communities, like in terms of sexuality,
Speaker 3: stuff like that, who grew up in a community where
Speaker 3: they felt very othered, and they were like, this is
Speaker 3: quite this kind of mirror is what I went through.
Speaker 3: It was really cool. Yeah, a lot of dms. And
Speaker 3: one woman ran on the stage and hugged me in Atlanta,
Speaker 3: and I thought I was going to get stabbed in
Speaker 3: the guts, which was the scariest thing. I'm sure she's lovely,
Speaker 3: but just after the show finished in Atlanta, a lady
Speaker 3: charged the stage and like I there was a second round.
Speaker 3: Was like, I'm going to be stabbed. I'm going to
Speaker 3: be stabbed now.
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy when that happened. I was there
Speaker 1: when that happened, and I was like, oh sweet. And
Speaker 1: then my husband Nate said later he was like, you
Speaker 1: don't know what what she was going to do. And
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a really good point. I assumed
Speaker 1: wrongly that she was emotionally led to she was connected
Speaker 1: to the material in some way, but yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: other way.
Speaker 3: Could have Nate has been your husband. Nate has been.
Speaker 1: He's a champion.
Speaker 3: He's been a champion for letting me into his house
Speaker 3: and also for running the bar when we did the
Speaker 3: show with and he doesn't drink. He doesn't drink.
Speaker 1: People had the worst drinks that night because he was like,
Speaker 1: quantities are I mean, it's probably the best thing for you.
Speaker 1: But people were very drunk.
Speaker 3: Well, everyone was drunk.
Speaker 2: A different race though, because his was like you're getting
Speaker 2: so you'd have a husband and wife and the husband
Speaker 2: was like.
Speaker 3: It was just fucking chaos. On the first night, everyone
Speaker 3: was a different like parties. Oh that was good.
Speaker 1: Do you are you waiting at other crime scenes now
Speaker 1: to get your next show?
Speaker 3: Or what's the like this waiting unactively participating?
Speaker 1: What's the next what's the next one that you're doing?
Speaker 1: Give I'll give you the toss up here.
Speaker 3: The next show that I'm doing. Yeah, Well, when we
Speaker 3: came to Atlanta, I finished the last recording and you
Speaker 3: took me to the Clamon And for people that are
Speaker 3: listening to it that maybe don't know it, Uh, how.
Speaker 1: Would you describe for Claremont human zoo human zoo?
Speaker 3: It is? You can google the Clamont. People could google
Speaker 3: the Clamont. I got taken to the Clamont and I
Speaker 3: had a crazy night and I ended up riding around
Speaker 3: the beltline Atlanta on scooters and a lot happened. And
Speaker 3: so now I am also telling the story of that
Speaker 3: night of the clam Night, specifically the Clermonent incident. And
Speaker 3: it's a feel good thing. It's believe in yourself show.
Speaker 1: It's not like the It's not like it's that.
Speaker 3: It's a really dumb story of me getting a lap
Speaker 3: dance from a seven year old stripper under your supervision.
Speaker 1: I didn't pay for it. Now I know who did,
Speaker 1: but I will not. I'm not going to out them.
Speaker 3: We do, we do know who did.
Speaker 1: And support the working girls of the Claremont Lounge because
Speaker 1: they are literally the best.
Speaker 3: We do support them. They are wonderful and they were
Speaker 3: very nice to having a little English kid who'd never
Speaker 3: been anywhere like that before. I must have just had
Speaker 3: the widest arts because that was all new to me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I it's so there's no photos that you're that's the
Speaker 1: big rule of the Claremont Lounge. They've kicked out a
Speaker 1: lot of celebrities for having their phones in there and
Speaker 1: taking a picture. I think there's.
Speaker 3: Black Keys with Madonna.
Speaker 1: Yes, big bands have been kicked out because they got
Speaker 1: their phones out. So everything really just lives. What's cool though,
Speaker 1: is it in your memory when you what's left of
Speaker 1: your memory when you're at the Claremont. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's like there's really no trace of that night. It's
Speaker 1: just whatever you remember and can corroborate from your friends
Speaker 1: who were there.
Speaker 3: Here's a question. Yes, So what's the one moment from
Speaker 3: the last ten years that stands out to you as
Speaker 3: And I'll do mine first. You've got time to think
Speaker 3: about it. But the one moment that you kind of
Speaker 3: think of and you're like, that was the highlight? That one,
Speaker 3: but it was highlight. I've got two, okay. First one
Speaker 3: was seeing World of Hats in Atlanta. A World of Hats,
Speaker 3: a store that's just hats. You want scarfs. World of
Speaker 3: Hats isn't the place for you. Second one was the
Speaker 3: live show seeing like the community all come together and
Speaker 3: seeing like everyone get into that little space and we
Speaker 3: like set a gig up yeah to debut it, and
Speaker 3: it was just perfect. It was like sold too, sold
Speaker 3: out big rooms. The energy was lovely and there were
Speaker 3: such different shows, So that would be one.
Speaker 1: I definitely think recording in Atlanta is my favorite because
Speaker 1: I think that's when I understood the material the most,
Speaker 1: seeing how one night can be different than another night
Speaker 1: and you're just reading the room. I think this is something.
Speaker 1: This isn't my favorite moment. I do think it's the
Speaker 1: TV watching. I'll be honest, like it's just my favorite
Speaker 1: thing to do with you guys. But I think when
Speaker 1: I realized that you were who you are. What you
Speaker 1: portray on stage is a slightly heightened version of who
Speaker 1: you are, but you really are who you are. I
Speaker 1: was like, it's that chaos does follow you places like
Speaker 1: that is absolutely true, and I'm not a person who chaos.
Speaker 1: I probably like, as a producer, invite myself into controlled chaos,
Speaker 1: but I'm very much not that girl. But that was
Speaker 1: when I realized it's like, oh, like, just weird things
Speaker 1: happened to you.
Speaker 3: All quite a long time, really weird really weird amounts
Speaker 3: of stuff when we got lost in Walmart.
Speaker 1: Do you remember when I had paid you like a child?
Speaker 3: Yeah, lady had to speak to me over the big
Speaker 3: voice in this in the ceiling, and then I had
Speaker 3: to come away. I was looking at the bread. But
Speaker 3: I do like the stories that we have from work
Speaker 3: on this show. I've got some bangers and some weird
Speaker 3: shits happened to me the second I will leave your vision,
Speaker 3: I end up in weird house parties in the suburbs
Speaker 3: of Atlanta. Yeah, all fun, though I'm safe, didn't get stabbed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been really I've worked on a lot
Speaker 1: of shows, first podcast certainly that I've ever hosted. But
Speaker 1: the fact that it took so long, the fact that
Speaker 1: I think we're buddies like because of it, and that
Speaker 1: it has been hard, I mean COVID hit in between
Speaker 1: us like in between this time, Like, I mean, it
Speaker 1: really has been such a as much a labor of
Speaker 1: love as it's been a really great experience. But it's
Speaker 1: like it's probably my like iconic project like this one
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: And it's your first time in front of the mic
Speaker 3: as well. Yeah, that's the question I should have asked you.
Speaker 3: Is this been would you go back to?
Speaker 2: Not? Not?
Speaker 3: Would you go back? Has this been difficult to get into?
Speaker 1: My plan was never ever to be here, like this
Speaker 1: is my true nightmare. Not know with you but this and.
Speaker 3: Like that, like be so good at it. You're so
Speaker 3: good at your voice is so.
Speaker 1: Good at I I think, like, honestly, it's helped having Charles,
Speaker 1: who is both my best friend, collaborator and r EP
Speaker 1: and writer on the show, just being like just get
Speaker 1: over yourself, like he will put me in my place.
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of kept it kept it real,
Speaker 1: which has been great. But I would happily. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I love story you and I think the
Speaker 1: one thing we share is we love stories. We love
Speaker 1: it good story. Michael was always to stay as far
Speaker 1: behind the lens and the microphone as possible. But when
Speaker 1: it made sense that I was the host because I
Speaker 1: was the one that chased you down across continents for
Speaker 1: many years to tell the story, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it just makes sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I but I feel like we partnered with
Speaker 3: the right getting Tenderfoot and Pain and Dealer News like
Speaker 3: behind the camera like everyone, yeah, we've we lucked out
Speaker 3: with the people that we ended up going with.
Speaker 1: They've been extraordinarily patient, they've been kind, they've been respectful
Speaker 1: to the story, to all the people, Like I mean
Speaker 1: to take out a project that like it takes a
Speaker 1: podcast like five years to get off the ground, because
Speaker 1: we were doing our own thing for five years previously.
Speaker 1: So like, but the fact that they've been so patient
Speaker 1: and then helpful obviously when it's time, like you're right,
Speaker 1: we got particularly lucky and.
Speaker 3: They've got I think it's because I deal with this
Speaker 3: like other podcasts of this. Yeah, so they used to
Speaker 3: wild shit. I just think it's been new for them
Speaker 3: having to deal with wild shit told by like not
Speaker 3: by a weird comedy boy Weird Comedy.
Speaker 1: Well that's a good title. Weird Comedy Weird Comedy Boy.
Speaker 3: Season two sees awesome.
Speaker 1: Okay, So what's what's the next thing.
Speaker 3: In terms of my career in terms of projects I'm
Speaker 3: working on, I'm doing the clam on and I'll be
Speaker 3: touring and I'll be doing all that stuff, and I'll
Speaker 3: be I tell you what, I'm really excitedful. I am
Speaker 3: excited to see how people take this because I have
Speaker 3: no clue. I have no clue this could be anything,
Speaker 3: and I'm just, yeah, I'm curious to see what people think,
Speaker 3: what about you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get a great massage, like just like
Speaker 1: a ninety minute or like a two hour.
Speaker 3: That's my plan.
Speaker 1: No, I'm kind of the same way as you. Like,
Speaker 1: I'll keep making my shows and my movies and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. But I'm very interested in the feedback as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 1: Guess it's important say we tried so hard to be
Speaker 1: considerate and sensitive towards everyone involved in both the story
Speaker 1: people who are adjacent to the topics of the story.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we failed at some points, and I feel
Speaker 1: like I need to instantly apologize for that. That was
Speaker 1: certainly never our intention, But we really tried. I mean
Speaker 1: it took a decade. So just no, we weren't. You know,
Speaker 1: we weren't just like sitting around. But I do think,
Speaker 1: like the feedback is what I'm most interested in. And
Speaker 1: I think this is cool because again, this was like
Speaker 1: a big weather balloon test for me. Can you tell
Speaker 1: this horrifying, disgusting, deep thing that involves you know, police,
Speaker 1: mental health, like other families, neighbors, small town versus you know,
Speaker 1: big city and all these themes and tell it in
Speaker 1: an entertaining and impactful way. So the impact is like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm waiting to hear that so then I can kind
Speaker 1: of like point my compass to the next thing. So
Speaker 1: that's honestly what what I'm gonna do. I got the massage. Well,
Speaker 1: thanks ed Thanks Jody, thank you Edward. I think this
Speaker 1: was good. I'm glad we did this.
Speaker 3: Do you want to go and get by? Jungles would
Speaker 3: luck to