WEBVTT - Back to the Beginning (with Edd Hedges and Jodi Tovay) 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.960 Wisecrack is released weekly and brought to you absolutely free, 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:09.760 but if you want exclusive bonuses and early access, subscribe 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:14.480 to tenorfoot plus enjoy over thirty shows, including Wisecrack, and 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:19.320 over one thousand episodes completely ad free. For more information, 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:27.000 check out the show notes. Enjoy the episode. Hey, Wisecrack, 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.040 it's your host and producer, Jody. Some of you have 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.680 asked how do you turn a stand up set into 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.040 a true crime podcast? And in my experience, it takes 0:00:36.080 --> 0:00:39.919 a lot of time and trust and some seriously great collaborators. 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:42.599 What you're going to hear is a bonus episode of 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:46.720 my collaborator, Ed and me spilling the tea on how 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.440 this thing got made. We're also talking about our roller 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.440 coaster relationship across eight and a half years and how 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:55.560 we got to a point where we were able to 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.480 trust each other enough to make the story. So please 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.480 enjoy this conversation with myself and Ed. As always, thank 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:03.800 you so much for listening. 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:06.440 Ed. 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:08.840 We have known each other now for almost ten years. 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.240 Yeah we have, Yeah, we have. 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:14.880 This is Has this been the longest project that you've 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:15.400 ever worked on? 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:18.240 It's same Yeah, yeah, easily longest. 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:22.200 SAME's It's been fun it has. 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:23.559 It's taken a while. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:25.120 Uh huh. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.440 There's no excuse for anything start to last. 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:32.040 Ten years, especially when everything happened in basically twenty fifteen 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:34.000 in previous Yeah, but. 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:40.120 It's it's weird working with someone from my side. It's 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:43.559 weird working with someone and then having that relationship develop 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.399 over the course of ten years because you have like 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:50.520 real tangible changes in people's like mental and like circumstantial 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.560 and just is that word? Yeah? 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.120 I think that. Okay, let me ask you a question. 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.480 What now that you know who I am as a person, 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.240 and I do think that you're I consider you friend. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.480 What surprised you about getting to know me basically living 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.519 in my home for weeks at a time across multiple years. 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:16.359 How much you love TikTok shop? Firstly? Secondly, I think 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.639 everyone's got their own way of working. I think I'm 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.359 kind of quite good at understanding your way of working. Now. 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:25.480 I think you're really good at what you did. So 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.080 when I met you and Edinburgh, you could have been anyone. Yeah, 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.919 I didn't realize you were really like like shit hot 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:35.160 at what you do and like like brilliant, Like the 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.120 questions that I was asking on the car ride to 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.360 things were things that you had sorted out four months 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:41.040 pre like do you know what I mean? 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.280 Yes, I would say my life for the last ten 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.359 years has been dipping into a constant meditation of ED 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.280 like what's ED doing, what's ED thinking? How is he feeling? 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.400 Where's he living? What kind of job does he have? 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:54.840 Like? 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.280 Is he gigging a lot? Is he traveling a lot? 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:57.440 Like? 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:01.200 I Yeah, it's like put an air tag on you. 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.680 Has that changed a lot for you? Like? Have I 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:07.200 changed over the course of ten years? Or am I 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.280 pretty much the same guy just with different shirts? Yes? 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:10.520 And no? 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:15.400 Okay, I do think. I mean, I think you're you 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.960 are a different person from when I met you. I 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.800 think you're more mature. I think you're in a really 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.040 I don't want to speak for you, but it seems 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.160 like you're in a much more stable place. I think 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:31.280 that you've you're clearly successful, Like and I feel like 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:32.680 I met you when you were a child. I know 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.000 that sounds so ridiculous, but you were twenty three. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:38.440 Yeah, twenty three, Yeah, I think definitely. 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:41.560 And I was a little older. I'm were exactly ten 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:43.800 years apart. I was thirty three. I guess when I 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:44.640 met you then. 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:51.880 Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. I think I definitely think of 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:55.000 myself as a kid when we met, and at the time, 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.120 I thought of myself as a grown up. Yeah, you know. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:04:00.440 And I don't know if everyone feels to keep on 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.640 the twenty two, but when we first met, I definitely 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:07.080 had nothing down, Like, I had no idea what I 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.560 was doing. I had no clue where I was going. 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.960 How I like, even this story, I had no idea. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.000 I was not prepared to tell this story when I 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.200 was twenty two. And in a way, I'm really glad 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:24.080 that I'm it would have been lovely to have got 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:25.920 this cut and done in the year or two, like 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:28.920 get to get out to the people. I'm super glad 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:33.359 that we kind of end it ten years after I 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.880 started it, because the way I look at it, the 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.120 way I look at the story is completely different. And 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:40.880 also I feel like the kind of house guest I 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.560 am is completely different now as well. I'm a lot, 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:45.760 a lot less nervous. 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.120 You were a great house guest, but I know I 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.800 felt so bad. Truthfully, there was an option to put 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:53.280 you up at hotel, and I was like, I just 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.080 don't know about this kid. I put him in my 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.520 house so I can find No exactly and bring him 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.840 to the gig and make sure he gets there. Was 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.600 the producer brain in me. I'm like, gotta keep eyes 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:06.320 on him. But now you're just a friend. I'm like, yeah, 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.200 let me trust it can get I never thought you 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:16.039 still from but yeah, no. I now I'm like, oh, yeah, 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.320 Ed's coming to town or we need to go somewhere. 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:21.960 And I just feel like you're You're easy to travel 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.480 with too, both live with temporarily and easy to travel with, 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:26.880 though maybe your partner would feel differently. 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.880 I'm not very abrasive. I'm not a very abrasive person. 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.480 And I think the weirdest thing is how quiet I've become. Yes, 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.640 because people are like, if you used to be a 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:39.840 loudmouthed and then you can quiet, Everyone assumes you're sad 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:40.400 all the time. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.120 I assume most comedians are sad all the time, to 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:44.719 be honest, Is that accurate? 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.760 Yeah, that is accurate. But then we've not really had 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.560 anything to be sad about, necessarily because every time we 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:54.240 do these trips, every time, like every time I'm way together, 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.680 it's just a food tool. This is all we do. 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:02.159 And I wanted to like run passed you. For ten years, 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:05.039 We've been working really hard. The amount of work we've 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.760 done is equal to the amount of bougie food we 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:09.280 eat in bo Jungles. 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:13.279 Is there something you'd like someone to donate something to 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:14.960 the podcast? What's your favorite food? 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:18.120 Like? Who could? Would you any any American biscuit? Like 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.560 the biscuits. I came here thinking they were nothing and 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:26.040 they are everything to me. Chicken biscuits, the sweet biscuits, 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:27.680 the blueberry ones. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:32.120 Oh my god, they're the best now that we have 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.880 done the food tour of America. Yeah, what's your favorite? 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:35.960 Do you have a favorite chain? 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:47.520 Oh? It's Bojangles, It's Bojungles, Bojangles. You do. That was 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:49.160 going to be an ask for sponsorship, but it turned 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:49.640 a bit creep. 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.479 I don't even think they sponsored podcasts. 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.039 Which you think we could get bow Jungles. 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.400 I love bow j Angles too. I feel like part 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.599 of that is because I like Bowjngles, I'd be like, well, 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.440 we have these options, but if you really want something 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.080 good else? 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:09.800 Serious question about the podcast? Sure, How worried were you 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:14.560 that the story that you saw in Edinburgh and the 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:18.480 real story were completely like there was nothing in common. 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.480 How concerned were you when you first saw it? So 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:22.880 I understand it only lasted until you researched it. But 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:25.040 when you first saw it, were you like this story 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:25.880 is bullshit. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.200 I'll be honest with you. I saw your set, was 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.520 so impressed and thought it was really interesting, and I 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:34.440 thought the genre blending of crime in comedy was interesting. 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:38.400 And I was just coming off of working at Warner 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.520 Brothers and doing a bunch of crime shows, and I 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:45.040 was always told like, don't do crime in comedy, especially 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.800 what is a double homicide, which is very serious, you know, 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.680 And so of course when they tell you don't do 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.360 it for like ten years or work for almost eleven years, 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:54.440 that's the only thing you. 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:54.800 Want to do. 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:58.000 So I saw your set and I was like, yes, 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:02.880 So I think I reached out before I even researched anything. 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.080 But then afterwards I was like, Okay, let me make 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.760 sure that this guy's legit. And you were, and so 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:10.760 I was like, sweet, that was very fortunate of me. 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.600 So I think like part of it was me being 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:17.640 told no for so long, don't do this, don't do this, 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.040 and then I saw your set and I was like, 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:23.320 but you can, it can exist. So let's try. I 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:26.400 think it was just that, you know, I think I 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:28.200 think it was just me trying to be a maverick 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.640 and like say like, Okay, let's see if we can 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.840 do this. And then there you were, and I was like, 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.920 he is this kid is doing it now. So that 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:39.280 was part of being attracted to the material naturally, and 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:44.040 then I think, yeah, I once I did research, I 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:48.560 was like, oh, how fortunate that it's true for me. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:54.600 What was your biggest hesitation for working with me to 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:55.520 do this podcast? 0:08:55.679 --> 0:09:00.680 Inviting the whole world into a very small village, kind 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:04.280 of knowing how quickly word spreads in the village we 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.119 saw it, Yeah, parselves when we went into the standstead. 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.960 Before I started working with you on this, I could 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.960 go into that village and it was fine. It's definitely 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.160 this project that has made them very cautious of me, 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.880 and I don't think I'll ever go back there. But 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.560 I'm kind of happy about that because I have not 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.360 a lot of great things, a great memories. They're wonderful people, 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:30.120 they're good people, but like, yeah, I was scared to 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:34.840 invite the media circus into the village, and I knew 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.800 how quickly people would be like guarded. I mean we 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.240 got kicked out of yeah, two three pubs. No one 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.560 would talk to us. The Career Club didn't want anything 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:46.120 to do with us. 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.600 So by the time I got there, you had accepted that, 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:54.280 like we let these people tell the story. I can 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:57.040 no longer really return because people will resent me for 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:58.960 having opened the world to this story. 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:00.840 It's not like I can't it's not like I can't 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:05.400 go back. It's more that just I think, for the 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.480 rest of my life in that village, I'll be the 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.120 person did show about the village and the village they 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.120 want to keep everything like hush hush. They want to 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.880 move on completely, which is understandable. But yeah, that was 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.640 the thing that surprised me most about this, all of this, 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:25.800 was how quickly it went from the village being fine, 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.040 like not noteworthy. I was just the comedian guy that left, 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:33.520 to being actively not welcome anymore. 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:51.800 I think that's something that people don't know, that you 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.000 have to sacrifice when you're willing to open up and 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:59.360 tell the truth because you're especially in nonfiction like you're 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.640 that's exactly that people look at you differently, people who 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.600 you've known for a super long time, people who are 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:08.360 like super invested with and it's always surprising too, Like 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.720 I think that's the cost that most people don't understand. 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.520 And it is a brave thing. I mean, it legitimately is. 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.319 And that's just something I might be a useless point, 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:23.720 but it is an active decision and there isn't and 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.520 there is a price to be paid to some degree 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.760 and some people maybe some people never do depending on 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:28.280 the story. 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.840 Yeah, it's what's the family price? Yeah, because I know, 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.439 I know that you guys are good intentions, Like I 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:36.960 trust you, I trust everyone we work with. My mom 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:38.640 and dad don't know that. My brothers don't know that. 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:41.320 They have to take me in my word, and like 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.480 it's a lot to ask of people. It is a 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.400 lot to ask. But I mean, she loved you when 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.200 she met you, Carol, Carol loved you. Carol was so 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:53.480 excited to have an American in her home room. And 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.720 she's told all my family about it since, Like we 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.199 had Americans over the Americans because. 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:02.560 It's too I do remember Americans. The Americans are here, 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:06.040 they are when you walked in, the Americans are here done. 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:10.280 And he came touring up and he was something that 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:12.640 probably won't make it onto the podcast that I feel 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.080 like we should maybe let the listeners know. Sure, my father, 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:22.480 my father was wildly inappropriate when he spoke to to Jody, 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.560 not I mean, not in appropriate way towards you. He 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.760 just told stories about my mother and his relationship from 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:34.520 like really early on. And occasionally I'd open I was 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.800 in the garden when you guys were talking, I'd open 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:39.160 the door. I'd hear it and be like, fucking nope. 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:41.880 And then in the car afterwards, you were like, well, 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.200 we learned a lot about things we didn't ask. 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:46.800 I heard all about how you were made. 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.520 Ah. Man, that's so rough. 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.280 I think it's so sweet that like they're very much 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.600 in love. That is something I can discover. Yeah, it 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.439 is gross, isn't it? And it's lovely. It's also adorable. 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:03.880 But yeah, You're was not who I was expecting, least 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.880 on the set. But it also sounds like he's changed 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.160 tremendously as a person too. Carol was exactly who you 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:11.120 I think portray. 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:17.000 Carol hasn't changed since nineteen eighty nine. There's been no 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.040 there's been no change. She was wonderful then, she's wonderful now. 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:24.120 She likes what she likes Dad's completely changed. He's way 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:30.160 mellower all of us are. I think, Yeah, it's weird. 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.720 It's weird seeing my family interact with you guys. That 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.520 was really difficult. That was the most difficult part of 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:41.120 all of this, because I just wanted to manage them 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.360 or like coach them on how to respond to you properly, 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:46.920 because not in terms of what they said, just in 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.360 terms of if you asked the question, answer the question right, 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.080 just answer the questions, and you're not one that you 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:52.400 thought of. 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:54.319 I had a lot of empathy for you when you 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.959 we literally went into your childhood home, met your parents 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:00.640 and your brothers, and because I was like, oh my god, 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.839 I can't imagine if I invited ed to my house 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.319 to meet Kennon Sutobe, like I would just be so 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.040 already kind of embarrassing for just because it's a little 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:13.640 I don't know why. But then to talk about like obviously, 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.240 like you know, the worst night of their lives, intimate 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.240 details about growing up and being close to everybody involved 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.720 in this story, I was I did, like I kind 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.680 of felt like second hand cringe for you. Yeah, when 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:30.360 we were there, but again, everybody was incredibly kind and 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:37.280 gracious and fair and very you were raised. Well, everyone 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:38.840 was really everyone was really chill. 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.480 It was good. I felt like I was fourteen again. Yeah, 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.360 I was straight back into like being an angsty teenager, 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:50.080 which sucks, but yeah, it was good. What was your 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.160 favorite part of all of this? Was there one moment, 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.080 like a not like a finding out bit, but was 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:58.520 there one bit of the last ten years that you thought. 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:03.320 My favorite thing about this entire process has been watching 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.320 TV with you and producer Charles. 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.360 I want to take this moment. Yeah. Producer Charles doesn't 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:14.120 get any time on this at all. We love Tenderfoot, 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:18.360 we love everybody Donald, everyone's great. Producer Charles is the 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:22.120 unsung hero of this podcast, and he doesn't want to 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.080 be in front of the camera, but he is the best. Yes, 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:26.920 And you've known producer Charles for how long? 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.440 We met on my first day working at Warner Brothers Discovery, 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.760 which would have been two thousand and January two thousand 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:36.360 and six. So we sat next to each other and 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.880 I just heard someone over the cube and I was like, 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.720 who's this person? Because I'm from Atlanta, Charles is from 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:44.960 North Carolina. Was like, oh, some I might have a 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.240 friend and he did not want to be my friend. 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.000 I do remember that at first, but eventually I wore 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.720 him down and he's been a longtime collaborator. But yes, 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.200 watching television. What have we watched together? 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.040 We started off with Naked Attraction in the UK. I 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.000 don't know if America have that yet they do? 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.200 We do we have just recently, Yes. 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:04.640 The British one or is it an American one? 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:08.760 It's the British one. Okay, cool, full frontal, full frontal. 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:13.520 We watched that here. A lot we watched. I mean 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:19.640 while we were here, we've been watching j Loo's j Loo's, 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:20.760 Jo's Amazon. 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:23.960 Prime feature self made feature film, and the doc. 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.600 And the documentary. And I actually watched Jaelo's feature film 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:32.480 twice because someone gets to watch it. He wanted to 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.840 watch it, so we watched it again. It's good the 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:36.480 second time. 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.000 It's like mystery This is how the best way to 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:41.880 describe it to everyone else, Like I'm just here laughing, 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:46.600 I'm contributing nothing, But it's like Mystery Science Theater three thousand. 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.080 Do you remember that show? And it's the guys in 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.640 the front just commenting, and it's you and Charles going 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.200 back and forth, back and forth and it is. I 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.440 firmly believe both of you could could make anything very funny. 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:04.240 But those have been my favorite times is watching those. Yeah, 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:06.119 just getting a little tipsy at the end of a 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.400 very long day and then just listening to you guys 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:09.040 riff a. 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:12.439 Little little drunk and then something unhinged. Yes, and just 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.120 listen to childs be funny. It's perfect. 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.240 What else happened that's interesting along our journey that people 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:22.040 might oh, our sound guy Joe, that's an interesting story. 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.560 It is we should talk about Joe. 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:26.880 So when we went to the UK the first time 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:30.280 to record with your family and everybody, we brought a 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.000 sound person along and Joe since then has been on 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:38.040 Mister Beast and he competed and won like a quarter 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.800 of a million dollars with another guy, and the challenge 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:42.720 was ten thousand dollars for every day that you can 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:45.240 live in the woods. So we got to watch that. 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:47.960 It was very weird to watch Joe do that show. 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:52.880 You'll know him Grizz Grizz. Yes, oh, sound guy Grizz. Yeah. 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:54.400 He was funny as well. He was fun to watch 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:55.199 Nati Attraction with. 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.000 Yes, he pitched in he did yeah, and. 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:01.120 That was when we were in I felt so self 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:04.320 conscious because whenever I'm here it's like I don't want 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.040 to bring it back to food. But Bojangles' got all 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.880 these like amazing meals and stuff. When you came to England, 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.360 you were walking over the road because we stayed outside 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.680 of stance. Did you had to walk across a busy 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:18.040 road on like the road in stats to get your 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.479 coffee from a vending machine in the morning because there 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:23.040 were no coffee shops. I felt so bad for you. 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:24.680 It was so sad. 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.840 It wasn't you know. But I do think like what 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.080 is what is sad is riding across the road and 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:33.439 getting like the coffee. But but like when this is 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.840 something else, when you're released into a convenience store or 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:40.040 a grocery store that's not in the country that you're from, 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.840 looking at every single chip or crisps, looking at every 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.440 single piece of candy, every drink, like that's exact. I 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:48.240 would just sit there for like I'm sure they thought 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:49.800 that I was weird or on drugs because I just 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:51.480 like opened the fridge and just look at it very 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:55.000 like look at everything, crazy person. Yeah, as if we 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.000 didn't draw enough attention with. 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.600 Our giant mic and our six foot six sound giants 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.280 on guy then was almost the beast and our produce 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.280 and one of our producers who sounded like it was 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:06.760 from the deep deep South. 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.320 In a little bit, you really did look like a 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:09.880 Miley Cruse. 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:11.119 I feel like you could have gotten away with it 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:15.000 because you have quite a soft American accent. Yeah, Charles 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.400 and Gris were just present. 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.200 The most conspicuous, the most Yeah. 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.800 And then my seat belt. So when you came to England, 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:24.520 I had to drive you around everywhere. I just bought 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.240 a new car and the seat belt broke on it. 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.520 So the first ten minutes of us driving anywhere to 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.040 any interview with me like tugging on the seat belt. 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:35.560 At one point, I do remember, I was like, why 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.240 don't you just circle the block head so you don't 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:38.560 have to. 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:41.200 Remember that. 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:41.840 Yeah. 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.080 I was like, just just stay in the car, you're fine. Yeah, 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:47.040 we had a good time. We do this is this is. 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:51.000 I think it's unusual that a comedian would want to 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.280 put their stand up set and again in like a 0:19:55.359 --> 0:20:01.280 vein of brave and different. What would you say to 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:06.160 other comedians who are like looking into podcasting and telling 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.360 a longer story, a close ended story kind of similar 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:14.280 to ours. Is it something that would you never mind? 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:15.520 I don't want to know if you would do it again? 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.200 But what would you say to comedians I guess who 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:20.160 are taking their material and doing different things. 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.120 I would do it again. I would do it again. 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:28.240 I think comedy depending what storytelling. Comedy and storytelling, AH 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.160 go hand in hand. But when you start doing something 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:34.720 like this, the storytelling element takes over. You need to 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:41.800 be super good at having really uncomfortable conversations and uncomfortable 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.560