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And in my experience, it takes 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: a lot of time and trust and some seriously great collaborators. 10 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: What you're going to hear is a bonus episode of 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: my collaborator, Ed and me spilling the tea on how 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: this thing got made. We're also talking about our roller 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: coaster relationship across eight and a half years and how 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: we got to a point where we were able to 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: trust each other enough to make the story. So please 16 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: enjoy this conversation with myself and Ed. As always, thank 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: you so much for listening. 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: Ed. 19 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: We have known each other now for almost ten years. 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 3: Yeah we have, Yeah, we have. 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: This is Has this been the longest project that you've 22 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: ever worked on? 23 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: It's same Yeah, yeah, easily longest. 24 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: SAME's It's been fun it has. 25 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:23,559 Speaker 3: It's taken a while. 26 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: Uh huh. 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 3: There's no excuse for anything start to last. 28 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: Ten years, especially when everything happened in basically twenty fifteen 29 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: in previous Yeah, but. 30 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 3: It's it's weird working with someone from my side. It's 31 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 3: weird working with someone and then having that relationship develop 32 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 3: over the course of ten years because you have like 33 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 3: real tangible changes in people's like mental and like circumstantial 34 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 3: and just is that word? Yeah? 35 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: I think that. Okay, let me ask you a question. 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: What now that you know who I am as a person, 37 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: and I do think that you're I consider you friend. 38 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: What surprised you about getting to know me basically living 39 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 1: in my home for weeks at a time across multiple years. 40 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 3: How much you love TikTok shop? Firstly? Secondly, I think 41 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 3: everyone's got their own way of working. I think I'm 42 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 3: kind of quite good at understanding your way of working. Now. 43 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 3: I think you're really good at what you did. So 44 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 3: when I met you and Edinburgh, you could have been anyone. Yeah, 45 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 3: I didn't realize you were really like like shit hot 46 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: at what you do and like like brilliant, Like the 47 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 3: questions that I was asking on the car ride to 48 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 3: things were things that you had sorted out four months 49 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: pre like do you know what I mean? 50 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: Yes, I would say my life for the last ten 51 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 1: years has been dipping into a constant meditation of ED 52 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: like what's ED doing, what's ED thinking? How is he feeling? 53 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: Where's he living? What kind of job does he have? 54 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 3: Like? 55 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: Is he gigging a lot? Is he traveling a lot? 56 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: Like? 57 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: I Yeah, it's like put an air tag on you. 58 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: Has that changed a lot for you? Like? Have I 59 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: changed over the course of ten years? Or am I 60 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: pretty much the same guy just with different shirts? Yes? 61 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 3: And no? 62 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: Okay, I do think. I mean, I think you're you 63 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: are a different person from when I met you. I 64 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: think you're more mature. I think you're in a really 65 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to speak for you, but it seems 66 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: like you're in a much more stable place. I think 67 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: that you've you're clearly successful, Like and I feel like 68 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: I met you when you were a child. I know 69 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: that sounds so ridiculous, but you were twenty three. 70 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty three, Yeah, I think definitely. 71 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: And I was a little older. I'm were exactly ten 72 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: years apart. I was thirty three. I guess when I 73 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: met you then. 74 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. I think I definitely think of 75 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 3: myself as a kid when we met, and at the time, 76 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: I thought of myself as a grown up. Yeah, you know. 77 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: And I don't know if everyone feels to keep on 78 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: the twenty two, but when we first met, I definitely 79 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 3: had nothing down, Like, I had no idea what I 80 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: was doing. I had no clue where I was going. 81 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: How I like, even this story, I had no idea. 82 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: I was not prepared to tell this story when I 83 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 3: was twenty two. And in a way, I'm really glad 84 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: that I'm it would have been lovely to have got 85 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: this cut and done in the year or two, like 86 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 3: get to get out to the people. I'm super glad 87 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 3: that we kind of end it ten years after I 88 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: started it, because the way I look at it, the 89 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 3: way I look at the story is completely different. And 90 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: also I feel like the kind of house guest I 91 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: am is completely different now as well. I'm a lot, 92 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 3: a lot less nervous. 93 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: You were a great house guest, but I know I 94 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: felt so bad. Truthfully, there was an option to put 95 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: you up at hotel, and I was like, I just 96 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: don't know about this kid. I put him in my 97 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: house so I can find No exactly and bring him 98 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: to the gig and make sure he gets there. Was 99 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: the producer brain in me. I'm like, gotta keep eyes 100 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: on him. But now you're just a friend. I'm like, yeah, 101 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: let me trust it can get I never thought you 102 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: still from but yeah, no. I now I'm like, oh, yeah, 103 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: Ed's coming to town or we need to go somewhere. 104 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: And I just feel like you're You're easy to travel 105 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: with too, both live with temporarily and easy to travel with, 106 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: though maybe your partner would feel differently. 107 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: I'm not very abrasive. I'm not a very abrasive person. 108 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 3: And I think the weirdest thing is how quiet I've become. Yes, 109 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: because people are like, if you used to be a 110 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 3: loudmouthed and then you can quiet, Everyone assumes you're sad 111 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: all the time. 112 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: I assume most comedians are sad all the time, to 113 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: be honest, Is that accurate? 114 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, that is accurate. But then we've not really had 115 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 3: anything to be sad about, necessarily because every time we 116 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 3: do these trips, every time, like every time I'm way together, 117 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: it's just a food tool. This is all we do. 118 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 3: And I wanted to like run passed you. For ten years, 119 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 3: We've been working really hard. The amount of work we've 120 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: done is equal to the amount of bougie food we 121 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 3: eat in bo Jungles. 122 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: Is there something you'd like someone to donate something to 123 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: the podcast? What's your favorite food? 124 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: Like? Who could? Would you any any American biscuit? Like 125 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: the biscuits. I came here thinking they were nothing and 126 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 3: they are everything to me. Chicken biscuits, the sweet biscuits, 127 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 3: the blueberry ones. 128 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, they're the best now that we have 129 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: done the food tour of America. Yeah, what's your favorite? 130 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite chain? 131 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 3: Oh? It's Bojangles, It's Bojungles, Bojangles. You do. That was 132 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 3: going to be an ask for sponsorship, but it turned 133 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 3: a bit creep. 134 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: I don't even think they sponsored podcasts. 135 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 3: Which you think we could get bow Jungles. 136 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: I love bow j Angles too. I feel like part 137 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: of that is because I like Bowjngles, I'd be like, well, 138 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: we have these options, but if you really want something 139 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: good else? 140 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 3: Serious question about the podcast? Sure, How worried were you 141 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 3: that the story that you saw in Edinburgh and the 142 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 3: real story were completely like there was nothing in common. 143 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: How concerned were you when you first saw it? So 144 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: I understand it only lasted until you researched it. But 145 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: when you first saw it, were you like this story 146 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 3: is bullshit. 147 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I saw your set, was 148 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: so impressed and thought it was really interesting, and I 149 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: thought the genre blending of crime in comedy was interesting. 150 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: And I was just coming off of working at Warner 151 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: Brothers and doing a bunch of crime shows, and I 152 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: was always told like, don't do crime in comedy, especially 153 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: what is a double homicide, which is very serious, you know, 154 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: And so of course when they tell you don't do 155 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: it for like ten years or work for almost eleven years, 156 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: that's the only thing you. 157 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 3: Want to do. 158 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: So I saw your set and I was like, yes, 159 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: So I think I reached out before I even researched anything. 160 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: But then afterwards I was like, Okay, let me make 161 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: sure that this guy's legit. And you were, and so 162 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: I was like, sweet, that was very fortunate of me. 163 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: So I think like part of it was me being 164 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: told no for so long, don't do this, don't do this, 165 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: and then I saw your set and I was like, 166 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: but you can, it can exist. So let's try. I 167 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: think it was just that, you know, I think I 168 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: think it was just me trying to be a maverick 169 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: and like say like, Okay, let's see if we can 170 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: do this. And then there you were, and I was like, 171 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: he is this kid is doing it now. So that 172 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: was part of being attracted to the material naturally, and 173 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: then I think, yeah, I once I did research, I 174 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: was like, oh, how fortunate that it's true for me. 175 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: What was your biggest hesitation for working with me to 176 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: do this podcast? 177 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 3: Inviting the whole world into a very small village, kind 178 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: of knowing how quickly word spreads in the village we 179 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,119 Speaker 3: saw it, Yeah, parselves when we went into the standstead. 180 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 3: Before I started working with you on this, I could 181 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: go into that village and it was fine. It's definitely 182 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: this project that has made them very cautious of me, 183 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 3: and I don't think I'll ever go back there. But 184 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 3: I'm kind of happy about that because I have not 185 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: a lot of great things, a great memories. They're wonderful people, 186 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: they're good people, but like, yeah, I was scared to 187 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 3: invite the media circus into the village, and I knew 188 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 3: how quickly people would be like guarded. I mean we 189 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 3: got kicked out of yeah, two three pubs. No one 190 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 3: would talk to us. The Career Club didn't want anything 191 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: to do with us. 192 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: So by the time I got there, you had accepted that, 193 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: like we let these people tell the story. I can 194 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: no longer really return because people will resent me for 195 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: having opened the world to this story. 196 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 3: It's not like I can't it's not like I can't 197 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: go back. It's more that just I think, for the 198 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: rest of my life in that village, I'll be the 199 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: person did show about the village and the village they 200 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: want to keep everything like hush hush. They want to 201 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 3: move on completely, which is understandable. But yeah, that was 202 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 3: the thing that surprised me most about this, all of this, 203 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 3: was how quickly it went from the village being fine, 204 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: like not noteworthy. I was just the comedian guy that left, 205 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: to being actively not welcome anymore. 206 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: I think that's something that people don't know, that you 207 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: have to sacrifice when you're willing to open up and 208 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: tell the truth because you're especially in nonfiction like you're 209 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: that's exactly that people look at you differently, people who 210 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: you've known for a super long time, people who are 211 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: like super invested with and it's always surprising too, Like 212 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 1: I think that's the cost that most people don't understand. 213 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: And it is a brave thing. I mean, it legitimately is. 214 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: And that's just something I might be a useless point, 215 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: but it is an active decision and there isn't and 216 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: there is a price to be paid to some degree 217 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: and some people maybe some people never do depending on 218 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: the story. 219 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's what's the family price? Yeah, because I know, 220 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 3: I know that you guys are good intentions, Like I 221 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 3: trust you, I trust everyone we work with. My mom 222 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: and dad don't know that. My brothers don't know that. 223 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 3: They have to take me in my word, and like 224 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 3: it's a lot to ask of people. It is a 225 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 3: lot to ask. But I mean, she loved you when 226 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 3: she met you, Carol, Carol loved you. Carol was so 227 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 3: excited to have an American in her home room. And 228 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 3: she's told all my family about it since, Like we 229 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,199 Speaker 3: had Americans over the Americans because. 230 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: It's too I do remember Americans. The Americans are here, 231 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: they are when you walked in, the Americans are here done. 232 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 3: And he came touring up and he was something that 233 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: probably won't make it onto the podcast that I feel 234 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 3: like we should maybe let the listeners know. Sure, my father, 235 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: my father was wildly inappropriate when he spoke to to Jody, 236 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 3: not I mean, not in appropriate way towards you. He 237 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 3: just told stories about my mother and his relationship from 238 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: like really early on. And occasionally I'd open I was 239 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: in the garden when you guys were talking, I'd open 240 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 3: the door. I'd hear it and be like, fucking nope. 241 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 3: And then in the car afterwards, you were like, well, 242 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 3: we learned a lot about things we didn't ask. 243 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: I heard all about how you were made. 244 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: Ah. Man, that's so rough. 245 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: I think it's so sweet that like they're very much 246 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: in love. That is something I can discover. Yeah, it 247 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: is gross, isn't it? And it's lovely. It's also adorable. 248 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: But yeah, You're was not who I was expecting, least 249 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: on the set. But it also sounds like he's changed 250 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: tremendously as a person too. Carol was exactly who you 251 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: I think portray. 252 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 3: Carol hasn't changed since nineteen eighty nine. There's been no 253 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: there's been no change. She was wonderful then, she's wonderful now. 254 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: She likes what she likes Dad's completely changed. He's way 255 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: mellower all of us are. I think, Yeah, it's weird. 256 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: It's weird seeing my family interact with you guys. That 257 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 3: was really difficult. That was the most difficult part of 258 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: all of this, because I just wanted to manage them 259 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 3: or like coach them on how to respond to you properly, 260 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 3: because not in terms of what they said, just in 261 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 3: terms of if you asked the question, answer the question right, 262 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 3: just answer the questions, and you're not one that you 263 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 3: thought of. 264 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: I had a lot of empathy for you when you 265 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: we literally went into your childhood home, met your parents 266 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: and your brothers, and because I was like, oh my god, 267 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: I can't imagine if I invited ed to my house 268 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: to meet Kennon Sutobe, like I would just be so 269 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: already kind of embarrassing for just because it's a little 270 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: I don't know why. But then to talk about like obviously, 271 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: like you know, the worst night of their lives, intimate 272 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: details about growing up and being close to everybody involved 273 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: in this story, I was I did, like I kind 274 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: of felt like second hand cringe for you. Yeah, when 275 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: we were there, but again, everybody was incredibly kind and 276 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: gracious and fair and very you were raised. Well, everyone 277 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: was really everyone was really chill. 278 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 3: It was good. I felt like I was fourteen again. Yeah, 279 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: I was straight back into like being an angsty teenager, 280 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 3: which sucks, but yeah, it was good. What was your 281 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 3: favorite part of all of this? Was there one moment, 282 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: like a not like a finding out bit, but was 283 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 3: there one bit of the last ten years that you thought. 284 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: My favorite thing about this entire process has been watching 285 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: TV with you and producer Charles. 286 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: I want to take this moment. Yeah. Producer Charles doesn't 287 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: get any time on this at all. We love Tenderfoot, 288 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: we love everybody Donald, everyone's great. Producer Charles is the 289 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 3: unsung hero of this podcast, and he doesn't want to 290 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 3: be in front of the camera, but he is the best. Yes, 291 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 3: And you've known producer Charles for how long? 292 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: We met on my first day working at Warner Brothers Discovery, 293 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: which would have been two thousand and January two thousand 294 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: and six. So we sat next to each other and 295 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: I just heard someone over the cube and I was like, 296 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: who's this person? Because I'm from Atlanta, Charles is from 297 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: North Carolina. Was like, oh, some I might have a 298 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: friend and he did not want to be my friend. 299 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: I do remember that at first, but eventually I wore 300 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: him down and he's been a longtime collaborator. But yes, 301 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: watching television. What have we watched together? 302 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 3: We started off with Naked Attraction in the UK. I 303 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 3: don't know if America have that yet they do? 304 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: We do we have just recently, Yes. 305 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 3: The British one or is it an American one? 306 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 4: It's the British one. Okay, cool, full frontal, full frontal. 307 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 4: We watched that here. A lot we watched. I mean 308 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 4: while we were here, we've been watching j Loo's j Loo's, 309 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 4: Jo's Amazon. 310 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: Prime feature self made feature film, and the doc. 311 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 3: And the documentary. And I actually watched Jaelo's feature film 312 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 3: twice because someone gets to watch it. He wanted to 313 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 3: watch it, so we watched it again. It's good the 314 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 3: second time. 315 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: It's like mystery This is how the best way to 316 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: describe it to everyone else, Like I'm just here laughing, 317 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm contributing nothing, But it's like Mystery Science Theater three thousand. 318 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: Do you remember that show? And it's the guys in 319 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: the front just commenting, and it's you and Charles going 320 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: back and forth, back and forth and it is. I 321 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: firmly believe both of you could could make anything very funny. 322 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: But those have been my favorite times is watching those. Yeah, 323 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: just getting a little tipsy at the end of a 324 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: very long day and then just listening to you guys 325 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: riff a. 326 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 3: Little little drunk and then something unhinged. Yes, and just 327 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 3: listen to childs be funny. It's perfect. 328 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: What else happened that's interesting along our journey that people 329 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: might oh, our sound guy Joe, that's an interesting story. 330 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 3: It is we should talk about Joe. 331 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: So when we went to the UK the first time 332 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: to record with your family and everybody, we brought a 333 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: sound person along and Joe since then has been on 334 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: Mister Beast and he competed and won like a quarter 335 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: of a million dollars with another guy, and the challenge 336 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: was ten thousand dollars for every day that you can 337 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: live in the woods. So we got to watch that. 338 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: It was very weird to watch Joe do that show. 339 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 3: You'll know him Grizz Grizz. Yes, oh, sound guy Grizz. Yeah. 340 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 3: He was funny as well. He was fun to watch 341 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 3: Nati Attraction with. 342 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: Yes, he pitched in he did yeah, and. 343 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 3: That was when we were in I felt so self 344 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: conscious because whenever I'm here it's like I don't want 345 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 3: to bring it back to food. But Bojangles' got all 346 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 3: these like amazing meals and stuff. When you came to England, 347 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 3: you were walking over the road because we stayed outside 348 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 3: of stance. Did you had to walk across a busy 349 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 3: road on like the road in stats to get your 350 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 3: coffee from a vending machine in the morning because there 351 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 3: were no coffee shops. I felt so bad for you. 352 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 3: It was so sad. 353 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: It wasn't you know. But I do think like what 354 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: is what is sad is riding across the road and 355 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 1: getting like the coffee. But but like when this is 356 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: something else, when you're released into a convenience store or 357 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: a grocery store that's not in the country that you're from, 358 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: looking at every single chip or crisps, looking at every 359 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: single piece of candy, every drink, like that's exact. I 360 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: would just sit there for like I'm sure they thought 361 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: that I was weird or on drugs because I just 362 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: like opened the fridge and just look at it very 363 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: like look at everything, crazy person. Yeah, as if we 364 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: didn't draw enough attention with. 365 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: Our giant mic and our six foot six sound giants 366 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: on guy then was almost the beast and our produce 367 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: and one of our producers who sounded like it was 368 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: from the deep deep South. 369 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: In a little bit, you really did look like a 370 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: Miley Cruse. 371 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 3: I feel like you could have gotten away with it 372 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 3: because you have quite a soft American accent. Yeah, Charles 373 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 3: and Gris were just present. 374 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: The most conspicuous, the most Yeah. 375 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: And then my seat belt. So when you came to England, 376 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 3: I had to drive you around everywhere. I just bought 377 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: a new car and the seat belt broke on it. 378 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 3: So the first ten minutes of us driving anywhere to 379 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 3: any interview with me like tugging on the seat belt. 380 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: At one point, I do remember, I was like, why 381 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: don't you just circle the block head so you don't 382 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: have to. 383 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 3: Remember that. 384 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 385 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: I was like, just just stay in the car, you're fine. Yeah, 386 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: we had a good time. We do this is this is. 387 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: I think it's unusual that a comedian would want to 388 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: put their stand up set and again in like a 389 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: vein of brave and different. What would you say to 390 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: other comedians who are like looking into podcasting and telling 391 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: a longer story, a close ended story kind of similar 392 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: to ours. Is it something that would you never mind? 393 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to know if you would do it again? 394 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: But what would you say to comedians I guess who 395 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: are taking their material and doing different things. 396 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 3: I would do it again. I would do it again. 397 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 3: I think comedy depending what storytelling. Comedy and storytelling, AH 398 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 3: go hand in hand. But when you start doing something 399 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 3: like this, the storytelling element takes over. You need to 400 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 3: be super good at having really uncomfortable conversations and uncomfortable 401 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 3: questions asked of you, relinquishing control of because for a 402 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: stand up we write, and we direct and we perform. 403 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: Relinquish and control of what you've made. That's pretty difficult. 404 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 3: It's super worth it, I really, I think it's been brilliant. 405 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: It's been a really good experience. It's exciting to take 406 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 3: something I made and watch it evolve into an entirely 407 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 3: different project and peace and get it to a new audience. 408 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 3: That's really great. But I wouldn't and this is I 409 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: don't mean this in a joking way. I wouldn't say 410 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 3: any of this has been comfortable. It's not. It's been 411 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 3: really tricky conversations it's been killing a lot of my 412 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: own personal darlings, and it's also been You've got to 413 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 3: kind of confront the questions that people might have that 414 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 3: you and the conversations people might have that you don't 415 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 3: want to have. So I think it's really worth it, 416 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 3: and I think it's it's such a great thing that 417 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 3: we've made. But it's fucking difficult, man, It's really difficult. 418 00:21:46,240 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 3: It's really, really, really properly hard. 419 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: You put an incredible amount of trust and tenderfoot into me. 420 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: You were co signing on me being in your hometown 421 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: and saying, like, these people are cool, just tell them 422 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: your story. I don't think that people who are professional 423 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: writers and list makers as comedians aren't. Like, that's very uncommon. Like, 424 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: it's extremely uncommon, I think because you're more focused in 425 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: like the narrative space and you know, creating something from nothing, 426 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: and instead, you know, I think my world is taking 427 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: the facts and creating an interesting story from those facts. 428 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: I have more constraints, I guess in that way. And 429 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: so when you take those two genres, it was uncomfortable. 430 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 3: For me too. 431 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: I guess the answer like it was, it's not the 432 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: same as making a documentary this is. This has been 433 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: a totally different process, which I think is part of 434 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: why it's taken a long time. It again, for me, 435 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: while worth it. 436 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the building a piece of work I 437 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 3: have another pre existing piece of work was challenging because 438 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 3: I had my own rules. I've got my own rules. 439 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 3: Every tix seconds. There needs to be a laugh, it 440 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 3: needs to be a payoff at the end, and you guys, 441 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,239 Speaker 3: and this project doesn't abide by those rules at all. 442 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 3: So instantly, the second we start making something that doesn't 443 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 3: follow the rules that I've set for myself, it's not 444 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 3: it's not right. It needs to be funny, it needs 445 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 3: to be this, that the other. But getting comfortable with 446 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 3: the idea that we've told the funny silly, you know, 447 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 3: stretch the truth on the childhood stories about me kind 448 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 3: of version of it, knowing that that's like put to bed. 449 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 3: And we recorded that in Atlanta, which we should talk about. 450 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 3: It was amazing, and now we have to explore different 451 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 3: areas of it. Because I wasn't hearing the laughter. Because 452 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 3: it wasn't I didn't have an instant feedback. And that's 453 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 3: another thing I'm nervous about this kind of project. I 454 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 3: don't get instant feedback on stage. If you do a joke, 455 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 3: the audience will tell you within a millisecond whether they 456 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 3: approve or not. With this, I'm just kind of going here, 457 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 3: you go yeah, and then I just have to sit 458 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 3: back and wait. It's like phishing to see whether people 459 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 3: like my story and see whether people write. 460 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: You know, people react, So the wide range of reactions 461 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: to this particular set, what's I guess give some context for, 462 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: like the various things that have happened to you when 463 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: you've told this story, because I think I've seen, I've 464 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: seen now you perform at many times. It's different every time. 465 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: The show is different every time. It's worth going to 466 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: because the show is different and people's reactions are crazy. Like, 467 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 1: what's some of the weirdest. 468 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 3: I've received a lots of handwritten lotters when I was 469 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,679 Speaker 3: in Edinburgh, by a lot, I don't mean huge amounts 470 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 3: of My old agent got a lot of letters that 471 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 3: you passed on to me, which were very sweet and 472 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 3: it's very nice, but it was weird a lot. 473 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: What were people What were people writing about to you? 474 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: People that had seen the show and it resonated with them, 475 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 3: and to letting me know their favorite bits of it 476 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: and letting me know things that happened to them. There 477 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 3: was a lot that there are a lot obviously there's 478 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 3: not a lot of murdered things, but a lot of 479 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: people wrote to me about having a childhood bully. A 480 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 3: lot of people wrote to me about growing up in 481 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 3: a small town. I got a lot a lot of 482 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 3: people that were from different communities, like in terms of sexuality, 483 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 3: stuff like that, who grew up in a community where 484 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 3: they felt very othered, and they were like, this is 485 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 3: quite this kind of mirror is what I went through. 486 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 3: It was really cool. Yeah, a lot of dms. And 487 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 3: one woman ran on the stage and hugged me in Atlanta, 488 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 3: and I thought I was going to get stabbed in 489 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 3: the guts, which was the scariest thing. I'm sure she's lovely, 490 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 3: but just after the show finished in Atlanta, a lady 491 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 3: charged the stage and like I there was a second round. 492 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: Was like, I'm going to be stabbed. I'm going to 493 00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 3: be stabbed now. 494 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: You know what's crazy when that happened. I was there 495 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: when that happened, and I was like, oh sweet. And 496 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: then my husband Nate said later he was like, you 497 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: don't know what what she was going to do. And 498 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: I was like, that's a really good point. I assumed 499 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: wrongly that she was emotionally led to she was connected 500 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: to the material in some way, but yeah, you're right, 501 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: other way. 502 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 3: Could have Nate has been your husband. Nate has been. 503 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: He's a champion. 504 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 3: He's been a champion for letting me into his house 505 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 3: and also for running the bar when we did the 506 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 3: show with and he doesn't drink. He doesn't drink. 507 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: People had the worst drinks that night because he was like, 508 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: quantities are I mean, it's probably the best thing for you. 509 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: But people were very drunk. 510 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 3: Well, everyone was drunk. 511 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: A different race though, because his was like you're getting 512 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 2: so you'd have a husband and wife and the husband 513 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: was like. 514 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 3: It was just fucking chaos. On the first night, everyone 515 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 3: was a different like parties. Oh that was good. 516 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: Do you are you waiting at other crime scenes now 517 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: to get your next show? 518 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 3: Or what's the like this waiting unactively participating? 519 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 1: What's the next what's the next one that you're doing? 520 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: Give I'll give you the toss up here. 521 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 3: The next show that I'm doing. Yeah, Well, when we 522 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 3: came to Atlanta, I finished the last recording and you 523 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 3: took me to the Clamon And for people that are 524 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 3: listening to it that maybe don't know it, Uh, how. 525 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: Would you describe for Claremont human zoo human zoo? 526 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: It is? You can google the Clamont. People could google 527 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 3: the Clamont. I got taken to the Clamont and I 528 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 3: had a crazy night and I ended up riding around 529 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 3: the beltline Atlanta on scooters and a lot happened. And 530 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 3: so now I am also telling the story of that 531 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 3: night of the clam Night, specifically the Clermonent incident. And 532 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 3: it's a feel good thing. It's believe in yourself show. 533 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: It's not like the It's not like it's that. 534 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 3: It's a really dumb story of me getting a lap 535 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 3: dance from a seven year old stripper under your supervision. 536 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: I didn't pay for it. Now I know who did, 537 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: but I will not. I'm not going to out them. 538 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 3: We do, we do know who did. 539 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: And support the working girls of the Claremont Lounge because 540 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: they are literally the best. 541 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 3: We do support them. They are wonderful and they were 542 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 3: very nice to having a little English kid who'd never 543 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 3: been anywhere like that before. I must have just had 544 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 3: the widest arts because that was all new to me. Yeah. 545 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: I it's so there's no photos that you're that's the 546 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: big rule of the Claremont Lounge. They've kicked out a 547 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: lot of celebrities for having their phones in there and 548 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: taking a picture. I think there's. 549 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 3: Black Keys with Madonna. 550 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: Yes, big bands have been kicked out because they got 551 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: their phones out. So everything really just lives. What's cool though, 552 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: is it in your memory when you what's left of 553 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,239 Speaker 1: your memory when you're at the Claremont. But yeah, so 554 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: it's like there's really no trace of that night. It's 555 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: just whatever you remember and can corroborate from your friends 556 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: who were there. 557 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 3: Here's a question. Yes, So what's the one moment from 558 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 3: the last ten years that stands out to you as 559 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,719 Speaker 3: And I'll do mine first. You've got time to think 560 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 3: about it. But the one moment that you kind of 561 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 3: think of and you're like, that was the highlight? That one, 562 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 3: but it was highlight. I've got two, okay. First one 563 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 3: was seeing World of Hats in Atlanta. A World of Hats, 564 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: a store that's just hats. You want scarfs. World of 565 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 3: Hats isn't the place for you. Second one was the 566 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 3: live show seeing like the community all come together and 567 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 3: seeing like everyone get into that little space and we 568 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 3: like set a gig up yeah to debut it, and 569 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 3: it was just perfect. It was like sold too, sold 570 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: out big rooms. The energy was lovely and there were 571 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 3: such different shows, So that would be one. 572 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: I definitely think recording in Atlanta is my favorite because 573 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: I think that's when I understood the material the most, 574 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: seeing how one night can be different than another night 575 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: and you're just reading the room. I think this is something. 576 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: This isn't my favorite moment. I do think it's the 577 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: TV watching. I'll be honest, like it's just my favorite 578 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: thing to do with you guys. But I think when 579 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: I realized that you were who you are. What you 580 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: portray on stage is a slightly heightened version of who 581 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: you are, but you really are who you are. I 582 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: was like, it's that chaos does follow you places like 583 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: that is absolutely true, and I'm not a person who chaos. 584 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: I probably like, as a producer, invite myself into controlled chaos, 585 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: but I'm very much not that girl. But that was 586 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: when I realized it's like, oh, like, just weird things 587 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: happened to you. 588 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 3: All quite a long time, really weird really weird amounts 589 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 3: of stuff when we got lost in Walmart. 590 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: Do you remember when I had paid you like a child? 591 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, lady had to speak to me over the big 592 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 3: voice in this in the ceiling, and then I had 593 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 3: to come away. I was looking at the bread. But 594 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: I do like the stories that we have from work 595 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 3: on this show. I've got some bangers and some weird 596 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 3: shits happened to me the second I will leave your vision, 597 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 3: I end up in weird house parties in the suburbs 598 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 3: of Atlanta. Yeah, all fun, though I'm safe, didn't get stabbed. 599 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been really I've worked on a lot 600 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: of shows, first podcast certainly that I've ever hosted. But 601 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: the fact that it took so long, the fact that 602 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: I think we're buddies like because of it, and that 603 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: it has been hard, I mean COVID hit in between 604 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: us like in between this time, Like, I mean, it 605 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: really has been such a as much a labor of 606 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: love as it's been a really great experience. But it's 607 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: like it's probably my like iconic project like this one 608 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: for sure. 609 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 3: And it's your first time in front of the mic 610 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 3: as well. Yeah, that's the question I should have asked you. 611 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 3: Is this been would you go back to? 612 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: Not? Not? 613 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 3: Would you go back? Has this been difficult to get into? 614 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: My plan was never ever to be here, like this 615 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: is my true nightmare. Not know with you but this and. 616 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 3: Like that, like be so good at it. You're so 617 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 3: good at your voice is so. 618 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: Good at I I think, like, honestly, it's helped having Charles, 619 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: who is both my best friend, collaborator and r EP 620 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: and writer on the show, just being like just get 621 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: over yourself, like he will put me in my place. 622 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of kept it kept it real, 623 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: which has been great. But I would happily. I don't know. 624 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: I just I love story you and I think the 625 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: one thing we share is we love stories. We love 626 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: it good story. Michael was always to stay as far 627 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: behind the lens and the microphone as possible. But when 628 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: it made sense that I was the host because I 629 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: was the one that chased you down across continents for 630 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: many years to tell the story, I was like, yeah, 631 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: it just makes sense. 632 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I but I feel like we partnered with 633 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 3: the right getting Tenderfoot and Pain and Dealer News like 634 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 3: behind the camera like everyone, yeah, we've we lucked out 635 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 3: with the people that we ended up going with. 636 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: They've been extraordinarily patient, they've been kind, they've been respectful 637 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: to the story, to all the people, Like I mean 638 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: to take out a project that like it takes a 639 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: podcast like five years to get off the ground, because 640 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: we were doing our own thing for five years previously. 641 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,040 Speaker 1: So like, but the fact that they've been so patient 642 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: and then helpful obviously when it's time, like you're right, 643 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: we got particularly lucky and. 644 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 3: They've got I think it's because I deal with this 645 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 3: like other podcasts of this. Yeah, so they used to 646 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 3: wild shit. I just think it's been new for them 647 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,959 Speaker 3: having to deal with wild shit told by like not 648 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 3: by a weird comedy boy Weird Comedy. 649 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: Well that's a good title. Weird Comedy Weird Comedy Boy. 650 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 3: Season two sees awesome. 651 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 1: Okay, So what's what's the next thing. 652 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 3: In terms of my career in terms of projects I'm 653 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 3: working on, I'm doing the clam on and I'll be 654 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 3: touring and I'll be doing all that stuff, and I'll 655 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 3: be I tell you what, I'm really excitedful. I am 656 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 3: excited to see how people take this because I have 657 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 3: no clue. I have no clue this could be anything, 658 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 3: and I'm just, yeah, I'm curious to see what people think, 659 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 3: what about you. 660 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get a great massage, like just like 661 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: a ninety minute or like a two hour. 662 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 3: That's my plan. 663 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: No, I'm kind of the same way as you. Like, 664 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: I'll keep making my shows and my movies and all 665 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: that stuff. But I'm very interested in the feedback as well. 666 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I. 667 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: Guess it's important say we tried so hard to be 668 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: considerate and sensitive towards everyone involved in both the story 669 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: people who are adjacent to the topics of the story. 670 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure we failed at some points, and I feel 671 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: like I need to instantly apologize for that. That was 672 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: certainly never our intention, But we really tried. I mean 673 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: it took a decade. So just no, we weren't. You know, 674 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: we weren't just like sitting around. But I do think, 675 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 1: like the feedback is what I'm most interested in. And 676 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: I think this is cool because again, this was like 677 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: a big weather balloon test for me. Can you tell 678 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 1: this horrifying, disgusting, deep thing that involves you know, police, 679 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: mental health, like other families, neighbors, small town versus you know, 680 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: big city and all these themes and tell it in 681 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: an entertaining and impactful way. So the impact is like, honestly, 682 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm waiting to hear that so then I can kind 683 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: of like point my compass to the next thing. So 684 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: that's honestly what what I'm gonna do. I got the massage. Well, 685 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: thanks ed Thanks Jody, thank you Edward. I think this 686 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: was good. I'm glad we did this. 687 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 3: Do you want to go and get by? Jungles would 688 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 3: luck to