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Speaker 1: From House Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to
Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, Charles W. Chuck Brian is
Speaker 1: rubbing his hair out across from me. That makes this
Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know featuring Chuck rubbing his hair I
Speaker 1: thought you said rubbing his hair out out? How do
Speaker 1: you do that? What does that mean against your skull?
Speaker 1: And now it's standing. Sorry, our colloquialism just cause problems
Speaker 1: sometimes on then Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I'm good. You've
Speaker 1: done vomiting four hours, dude? Yeah, like, I'm like to
Speaker 1: the minute almost. I'm glad. This table is what keeps
Speaker 1: us as far apart as I couldn't. I don't think
Speaker 1: I could projectile over here. Oh I thought you might
Speaker 1: get you sick. You mean, vomit on you both, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of afraid of both. Neither one will happen. I'm good,
Speaker 1: So Chuck, I'm glad, you're good. Thank you. I was
Speaker 1: looking all over for something to lead in with this.
Speaker 1: I considered talking about the Paladin class character I created
Speaker 1: when I played Dungeons and Dragons as a kid. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't remember his name, so it's kind of stupid, right, Um.
Speaker 1: I searched news for nights and I found that in
Speaker 1: Crest View, Florida, the Nights overpowered the Hobos and volleyball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's made for a pretty good title, Nights overpower Hobos. Um,
Speaker 1: And that was about it. That's the best I got.
Speaker 1: There's nothing going on with nights really these days except
Speaker 1: the occasional CBS news article about somebody getting an honorary
Speaker 1: titles a musician or actor. This is well, I guess
Speaker 1: there's other people, but they got the press. Yeah, definitely. Um.
Speaker 1: So there's not a lot going on with nights. But
Speaker 1: I can tell you something. If this were or fourteenth century,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be recording a podcast, no, but we would.
Speaker 1: There'd be news about nights all over the place, everywhere
Speaker 1: they Yeah, so let's go back to this. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about nights. What happened to them? Where did they go,
Speaker 1: where did they come from, what did they do in between?
Speaker 1: Let's get to the meat of this. Shall we take it? Chuck,
Speaker 1: oh Josh, I'm gonna go ahead and start with what
Speaker 1: was going on? Back then after the fall of the
Speaker 1: Roman Empire. So chronologically it is a we'll start at
Speaker 1: the beginning as far as nights are concerned. Uh, we're
Speaker 1: talking about Western Europe. After the fall the Roman Empire.
Speaker 1: It was sort of a sort of a lawless mess.
Speaker 1: It was chaos of an area, no defined countries, no
Speaker 1: defined governments, no laws that anyone was you know, abiding by.
Speaker 1: People were still managing in existence. It was just often
Speaker 1: threatened by violence. Yeah, like if I see something that
Speaker 1: I want, I would take it by force, including your dog.
Speaker 1: Those are the good old days, or that keg of beer. Right. Uh.
Speaker 1: And because of this, it was a little bit hard
Speaker 1: to control. So if you were let's say Charlemagne and
Speaker 1: you had a lot of this land, right, you might
Speaker 1: want to do something. I might want to impose some
Speaker 1: sort of restriction or a body to kind of rule
Speaker 1: or take care of things. Perhaps the geopolitical system. Yeah,
Speaker 1: without it being a government. Well, it was a government.
Speaker 1: It's a form of government. It's also a form of
Speaker 1: economics to feudalism, right, yeah, feudalism. Right. So Charlotte is
Speaker 1: um here or Charlemagne Charlomi is m Charlot. That was
Speaker 1: the original name and then he's like, oh, that's just
Speaker 1: too vain. Let's call it um. Charlemagne was a Frankish king,
Speaker 1: right and he um, he had just a bunch of land.
Speaker 1: I guess that he conquered or he just said, hey,
Speaker 1: this is mine. This land is my land, not this
Speaker 1: land is your land, right uh. And he since he
Speaker 1: lacked the central government, he said, hey, you're a buddy
Speaker 1: of mine, you're an ally. I trust you. You're dead
Speaker 1: and I fought in the war together. Um, here's some land.
Speaker 1: It's yours, but you owe me big time for that land.
Speaker 1: And this is the basis of feudalism. One person dolls outland,
Speaker 1: the king, the ruler dolls outland to the secondary ruling class, nobility,
Speaker 1: and that's their land, and in return they pay for
Speaker 1: the land through military service generally protection basically. And then
Speaker 1: one rung down below nobility is the surf or or
Speaker 1: peasant class, and they're attached to the land. They're essentially slaves.
Speaker 1: They got the short end of the stick, they definitely did. So. Um,
Speaker 1: they pay for their land that the nobilities doled out
Speaker 1: to them. So it's subdivided even further by giving their
Speaker 1: the nobleman that they serve or vassal I believe they're
Speaker 1: also called um food or crops or goods. Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's how they paid for their land. But they
Speaker 1: were really they didn't have much of a choice, right,
Speaker 1: And uh, the funderalism worked because Charlemagne is what He's
Speaker 1: able to keep all of this land by giving it
Speaker 1: to his friends, the fists, who are going to yeah
Speaker 1: that's the land, right, who are going to protect it
Speaker 1: against foreign invaders because it's theirs, but really it's Charlottaagne's. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then the vassals, the knights, they wanted to protect
Speaker 1: the serfs because they wanted to you know, the the
Speaker 1: knights made most of their dough from what I could
Speaker 1: see by their land ownership and farming, and we'll get
Speaker 1: into other ways they made money too, but they wanted
Speaker 1: to protect their dudes so they could, you know, prosper well.
Speaker 1: Not only that a knight could make money by serving
Speaker 1: in the stead or the service of the noble person
Speaker 1: that is paying them, because you had to. You you
Speaker 1: paid for your land through military was either directly by
Speaker 1: yourself or by paying somebody else to do it for you,
Speaker 1: or by producing land and the feudal system did away
Speaker 1: with um, the middle class and common the commons, common land.
Speaker 1: It just did away with it. Because Charlotte Magne was like,
Speaker 1: this is mine and you work for me now and
Speaker 1: it's sort of yours, but it's really kind of mine.
Speaker 1: But in return there was that social contract which um
Speaker 1: led to basically trading freedom for protection, which is the
Speaker 1: basis of government today. Think about it. So the Nights
Speaker 1: were born out of that, right, Chuck, Yes, sir, pretty much. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: what it did too was with feudalism, you could it
Speaker 1: gave you in a time of chaos. It gave you
Speaker 1: a path like a career path almost in a way
Speaker 1: that you could advance in life if you wanted to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because part of feudalism was the land grant um was bestowed,
Speaker 1: it was passed down through the family lawn, and they
Speaker 1: just decided to do that. There was no over any
Speaker 1: part of feudalism where it's like, well we're going to
Speaker 1: set it up like this kind of evolved so a
Speaker 1: landowner could pass it to his oldest son, but he
Speaker 1: may have more than one son, and the other sons
Speaker 1: like I want to be rich too, so I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go become a night, Yes, exactly right, and nights were not. Uh,
Speaker 1: you weren't born into knighthood. You were born into being
Speaker 1: ultimately a a page and then later on a squire.
Speaker 1: But you had to earn your knighthood for right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, if you if your dad was a night,
Speaker 1: you were automatically a page. But poor people could also
Speaker 1: conceivably become pages themselves, right, Yes, apparently I didn't even
Speaker 1: see A Night's Tale. You didn't know, did you. It
Speaker 1: was this weird anachronism years and everything, and it was
Speaker 1: it was weird, but it was pretty cool movie. Paul
Speaker 1: Bettany was in it. Um, I like that some other
Speaker 1: guy who you'd recognize who was Steve the Pirate um Dodgeball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that guy, he was in it, and then
Speaker 1: this other dude and then that another guy. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that girl r I p Heath Ledger by the way.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, really that's a big one. Uh. So, like
Speaker 1: we said, you were, you're automatically a page and basically
Speaker 1: up until the age of about seven, you were just
Speaker 1: sort of doated on by the women at the castle
Speaker 1: taking care of exactly. And then when you became seven,
Speaker 1: they moved you to another house with another lord, and
Speaker 1: you were all of a sudden a page and you
Speaker 1: were taught how to hunt and um, sort of the
Speaker 1: beginnings of being taught how to fight. You were schooled
Speaker 1: by the monks. Uh in you know school does in
Speaker 1: reading and writing, not they schooled you, although they may
Speaker 1: have done that, dude. Sure and uh that's basically where
Speaker 1: they got their their start in this whole quest to
Speaker 1: become a knight. Yeah, and you were saying that at
Speaker 1: about age seven you were conscripted or given to another
Speaker 1: house and usually it was a friend of the family
Speaker 1: or a relative who was a knight. Um, and that
Speaker 1: was about age seven. So that's where the word night
Speaker 1: comes from. It's an old Anglo Saxon word nicked, I
Speaker 1: believe for boy you didn't know how to pronounce. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of letters in it's being said C N
Speaker 1: I H T knit yes, weird Nit that's chaucer. Sure,
Speaker 1: um and also chuck. I found out in researching this
Speaker 1: article that the German word for night is writtter, which
Speaker 1: is literally writer. So the name of the TV show
Speaker 1: night Writer was redundant interesting writer writer or night night
Speaker 1: and the Germans love Hasselhoff. It all makes sense, that's crazy, alright.
Speaker 1: So after age seven, the kid became a page, and
Speaker 1: basically the page was the little gopher for the knight's house. Right.
Speaker 1: In addition to being trained, he also just basically did
Speaker 1: whatever he was supposed to do. And then around the
Speaker 1: time he turned fourteen, he was eligible to become an
Speaker 1: esquire or squire, and his responsibilities and training became much
Speaker 1: more specific. Right, Yeah, I mean you were really a
Speaker 1: houseboy at this point. There's a lot of work that
Speaker 1: went into like fourteen years of of work, or I
Speaker 1: get the feeling. From from page to squire was a
Speaker 1: little more learning, but then from squire to night was
Speaker 1: when the rubber meets the road. Yes it was not
Speaker 1: Rubbert or Rhodes, but you know what I mean, there
Speaker 1: were trails, trails. That's where the hoof met the trail.
Speaker 1: How's that? So they became a squire at fourteen, and
Speaker 1: that's um. They had a little ceremony, a religious ceremony
Speaker 1: where you get your sword, which is pretty big deal
Speaker 1: at the time, I'm sure, Um, and you basically become
Speaker 1: a houseboy there. Each squire had a different job specific
Speaker 1: to the castle. Can you guess which squire I would
Speaker 1: have wanted to be. Well, here, let's go through him
Speaker 1: and let's see if maybe I wish we could do
Speaker 1: instant voting. But say in your heads, people out there listening,
Speaker 1: what you think Josh would have been. You have a
Speaker 1: squire of the boy and that was the personal servant.
Speaker 1: I get the feeling. They were probably probably the most
Speaker 1: trusted uh squire of the chamber. And they attended to
Speaker 1: the rooms. That was sort of like I guess the maid.
Speaker 1: That's that's the worst squire job. The housekeeper, the carving.
Speaker 1: The carving squire or table squire carved the meat at
Speaker 1: the banquet tables, which at catering companies nowadays, the like
Speaker 1: the most stoned dude is the table squire, also known
Speaker 1: as the protector of the roast beef, Yes, protector of
Speaker 1: the roast beef. The squire of the wines managed the
Speaker 1: wine seller. They'd be a good gig. Squire of the
Speaker 1: pantry took care of the food and make sure the
Speaker 1: pantry was stocked with canned goods and peanut butter and
Speaker 1: all the good stuff that knights loved to eat. Uh
Speaker 1: Squire the arms, of course, maintained the armament and the
Speaker 1: swords and all that kind of stuff in the Squire
Speaker 1: of Honor assisted the Lord and ceremonies and feasts. Which
Speaker 1: one are you? I think that anybody who's listened to
Speaker 1: us more than once or twice could tell you. I
Speaker 1: would like to be the fire of the wines, Squire
Speaker 1: the wines. I'd probably be the squire of the pantry,
Speaker 1: because I'm into cooking and stuff well like you, and
Speaker 1: I would be like, hey, man, I'll slide you one
Speaker 1: of these, if some of that, give me a bottle
Speaker 1: of that wine, I'll give you some roast beef. Or
Speaker 1: maybe i'd be the carving dude that's cool at the
Speaker 1: carving station kind or if they had an omelet station,
Speaker 1: I'd like to do that, the squire of the omelet stage.
Speaker 1: Nice chuck so um. From hanging out with the at
Speaker 1: these feasts and carving the roast beef and making the
Speaker 1: omelets and tending the wine that the the squire was
Speaker 1: also being indoctrinated into um, a higher lifestyle, learn how
Speaker 1: to how to carry himself in in in situations like
Speaker 1: feasts and um festivals and all this stuff. Right, they
Speaker 1: learned how to be really awful and drink too much
Speaker 1: to excess and pillage. Basically pretty much. It wasn't as
Speaker 1: as you know, lofty as it seems I would imagine. No,
Speaker 1: it's been um night who it? I guess we should
Speaker 1: probably say has been romanticized almost entirely through literature that
Speaker 1: big time actually originated in the thirteenth century, I believe it,
Speaker 1: like Whillace is going on, they started to romanticize kind
Speaker 1: of like Billy the Kids stories that were read by
Speaker 1: the youngsters and east in the nineteenth century, the little
Speaker 1: serial books. Alright, so what you're doing is you're you're
Speaker 1: learning all these things, like you said, learning how to
Speaker 1: be a bad person. Actually that's not true. Do you
Speaker 1: don't want to offend the knights in the nights? Elton
Speaker 1: John will have your head. But they also learned they
Speaker 1: started to do a little bit more training in the
Speaker 1: martial arts of of night dum um, like how to
Speaker 1: handle and ride horses? How does strike someone over the
Speaker 1: head with a heavy hammer? Yeah, with a heavy hammer.
Speaker 1: They started wearing the chainmail to get used to like
Speaker 1: walking around and that kind of stuff and all the
Speaker 1: weight um and I looked this up, chuck um chainmail
Speaker 1: and plainmail weighed about the same pounds, which seems like
Speaker 1: a lot, but it's about half of what the average
Speaker 1: foot soldier in the U. S. Army today carries. An
Speaker 1: average rifleman carries about nine pounds of gear. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: did the Knights carry stuff in addition to just know
Speaker 1: they had squires? Another another duty of the squire was
Speaker 1: when the night went into battle um or tournament, he right,
Speaker 1: but in battle specifically he went with him, and if
Speaker 1: the night fell, he was expected to to basically aid
Speaker 1: and protect the night as he got up. And actually,
Speaker 1: we should just since you mentioned that, we should go
Speaker 1: ahead and point out that you could become an instant
Speaker 1: night on the battlefield. And I get the impression that
Speaker 1: if you saved your night's bacon, you might have a
Speaker 1: good chance of just being knighted right there on the battlefield. Right,
Speaker 1: A night was bestowed with the the ability to invest
Speaker 1: knighthood into a squire under circumstances like that. But for
Speaker 1: the most part they followed a um a process right
Speaker 1: where once you turned about twenty one, if you'd proven
Speaker 1: yourself a decent square fire, if you weren't just completely
Speaker 1: you know, fat from being inspired the panther, your your
Speaker 1: liver given out from being the squire of the wine
Speaker 1: right right, Um, you could become a night right and
Speaker 1: usually this took place during an event like a larger
Speaker 1: event like the Christmas or Easter feast. Yeah, a nobleman's
Speaker 1: wedding or festival or something like that. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: could be bestowed knighthood by other nights, kings, nobles, clergy.
Speaker 1: And I get the impression that the most favorite way
Speaker 1: if your father was a knight, he might do the
Speaker 1: do the double tap, not the double tap of the
Speaker 1: swat teams and the delta force, but the sword on
Speaker 1: either side of the head tap on the shoulder. So
Speaker 1: this the the squire would would sit up for a
Speaker 1: night praying right and Um. When he was finally knighted,
Speaker 1: he would take an oath that usually included several points right. Um.
Speaker 1: Defending a lady, it's a big one, speaking only the truth. Um.
Speaker 1: Being loyal to his lord. That's a huge part of
Speaker 1: the feudal system. Um. Being devoted to the church. That
Speaker 1: was also that came to be a huge part of
Speaker 1: being a night with the crusades. Yeah, Um, defending the poor,
Speaker 1: being charitable, defending the helpless, being brave, and then getting
Speaker 1: more specific rules to at least cracked me up a
Speaker 1: little bit, like um, fighting only one person at a time,
Speaker 1: never avoiding a dangerous path out of fear. See, I
Speaker 1: would have failed that one. It would have been like,
Speaker 1: that path looks a lot safer to me, so let's
Speaker 1: go that way. That seems like a smart thing to do,
Speaker 1: not a cowardly thing. Right. That's just me. But if you,
Speaker 1: if you framed it like that, you could be like, well,
Speaker 1: I didn't avoid that path out of fear. I avoided
Speaker 1: it because out of intelligence, Yes, exactly. Um. Never taking
Speaker 1: off your armor during a quest except to sleep, I
Speaker 1: would that'd be such a drag. It would be. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine, Like you get back after the battle and
Speaker 1: you're kicking it around the campfire and all you want
Speaker 1: to do is take off your armor and relax. But
Speaker 1: then the guy who does next to you takes an
Speaker 1: arrow in his back and you're like, man, I'm glad
Speaker 1: I kept my armor on while you're beating someone in
Speaker 1: with the war hammer. That's what you're thinking. Um. There's
Speaker 1: also this one kind of got me because I would
Speaker 1: just want to go to sleep, and if I didn't
Speaker 1: feel like talking. I wouldn't want to talk. But apparently
Speaker 1: one of the oaths that a night took was to um.
Speaker 1: Upon returning from a quest or a journey, or a
Speaker 1: battle or something, he would entertain his the person he
Speaker 1: was um conscripted to with with his stories. See, i'd
Speaker 1: be great at that part. You definitely would. We should.
Speaker 1: I just I'd just be like, I don't feel like
Speaker 1: doing this, so I'm gonna I'm not gonna do this.
Speaker 1: We should call this one why Chuck and Josh would
Speaker 1: be horrible nights? I think you'd be a good night.
Speaker 1: Oh really sure, I'd be a good uh pantry tender.
Speaker 1: And that's about it? What was it? What was the
Speaker 1: last one? There? The one that uh, if he was
Speaker 1: taking prisoner, he would give up arms and horse to
Speaker 1: the opponent and never fight the opponent again without the
Speaker 1: opponent's consent. Yeah, that's I wouldn't want to fight that
Speaker 1: opponent again if they beat me down. You wouldn't want, like, See,
Speaker 1: that's why i'd be a bad night. Check. Revenge makes
Speaker 1: the world go around you. Who are you to buck
Speaker 1: that trend? That's true, And once you were indoctrinated, you
Speaker 1: would get your sword, like I said, and then you
Speaker 1: would also finally get your armor and your horse, and
Speaker 1: right away they would kind of throw you into things
Speaker 1: in the form of demonstrating your abilities. Not on the battlefield, no,
Speaker 1: you you kind of hop on a horse. I imagine
Speaker 1: this to be like, um, you know, some like hormoned
Speaker 1: up kid. It's like, yeah, man, watch this, and it's
Speaker 1: like starts beating up on like other little kids who
Speaker 1: are still squires, you know that in front of everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: except now he's got a real sword. Um. And also, chuck,
Speaker 1: we should say those oaths that the night took yeah,
Speaker 1: um basically made up the code of Chivalry, which was
Speaker 1: established um basically because knights were the only ones who
Speaker 1: were armed, who were capable of, um, you know, battling
Speaker 1: on horseback and could just completely reek havoc any anywhere
Speaker 1: they wanted to. So the code of chivalry, especially defending
Speaker 1: the poor in the week. They didn't kill the poor
Speaker 1: in the week, right, or take their stuff or whatever.
Speaker 1: So this code of Chivalry was intended to keep these um,
Speaker 1: comparatively powerful people from just doing whatever they wanted. That
Speaker 1: was ideal, it didn't always work out. Like knights also
Speaker 1: generally pillaged and plundered and took whatever they wanted and
Speaker 1: ignored the chivalric code, which it comes from the French
Speaker 1: were josh chevalry, which means chivalry. Skills to handle a
Speaker 1: horse is actually what it means. Yeah, and originally that's
Speaker 1: what knights were, just like remember the samurai, they were
Speaker 1: originally horsemen. Um, a lot of commonalities between these two.
Speaker 1: Actually they Yeah, they both went the way of the
Speaker 1: dinosaur because of gunpowder, which we'll get to. Um, there's
Speaker 1: a spoiler, but you can you can also you can
Speaker 1: make the case that, um, the fall of the Roman Empire, feudalism,
Speaker 1: and the invention of the stirrup all allowed knighthood to develop.
Speaker 1: The stirrup showed up in the eighth century, and it
Speaker 1: allowed stability while you're staying on a horse and lancing somebody. Well,
Speaker 1: and imagine with all the armor and everything too. It
Speaker 1: probably helped to get up on the horse to begin with.
Speaker 1: But that was pretty much like if you could, if
Speaker 1: you could fight somebody on a horse, you were a knight.
Speaker 1: Before all of this tradition was dressed alongside of knighthood,
Speaker 1: the mounted soldiers. Essentially what a knight was should we
Speaker 1: talk about weapons? Well, yeah, I just mentioned the lance, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The lance was basically like a spear earlier on, and
Speaker 1: then later on it developed the the handguard, the in
Speaker 1: a metal tip on the end of it, and that
Speaker 1: was you know, if you were on a mounted horse,
Speaker 1: you wanted something long so you could engage in battle
Speaker 1: without getting down from the horse. Then they had their
Speaker 1: sword double edged carbon Uh what kind of carbon steel? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but usually light on the carbon steel. Light on the
Speaker 1: carbon steel, heavy on the ketchup. Uh. And they had
Speaker 1: the cross guard, hilt and the pommel, which you know
Speaker 1: you've all seen excalibirds, that classic looking sword, very large,
Speaker 1: I would imagine, pretty heavy. I never picked one up,
Speaker 1: and they you know, depending on how much money you
Speaker 1: had determined how fancy your sword was. Yeah, it could
Speaker 1: have like a prayer inscribed to nature or your name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: found returned to Josh Clark. Can't you see it? Like
Speaker 1: pinned to like your your plate mail, your gauntlet. Um
Speaker 1: and and uh so the sword in the lance where
Speaker 1: the two main weapons, right, Yeah, you've talked about the
Speaker 1: warhammer a couple of times. I imagine that's probably what
Speaker 1: you would have liked. Did you look out the war
Speaker 1: hammer on Google Images. Yeah, so it's like they're not
Speaker 1: as big. It's not like Thor's war hammer. It's like
Speaker 1: a tack hammer with the um pointed like the rounded
Speaker 1: curve pointed end on one side and then a hammer
Speaker 1: on the other. And I just imagine like some guy
Speaker 1: in in some sort of male just beating somebody's head
Speaker 1: in with this. I doubt if it was pretty That's
Speaker 1: what the European martial arts amounted to, Like death through
Speaker 1: blunt instruments, Yeah, pretty much. Um, they had access which
Speaker 1: also could slice you up. And the mace the metal Uh,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't then mace the metal ball on the end
Speaker 1: of the chain. That's I think a mace isn't on
Speaker 1: a chain. Morning star is on the chain. If if
Speaker 1: my paladin training serves me, I think the morning Star
Speaker 1: is on the chain. Mace is a pointed ball, just
Speaker 1: stick stick. They thought that. They did think though that. Um,
Speaker 1: although they did use archers in war, the Knights kind
Speaker 1: of a lot of them thought that was a little
Speaker 1: bit coward leadership. Something from a distance. Yeah, because there
Speaker 1: was no hand in hand combat. Yeah, like get down
Speaker 1: here and find me like a man. Exactly one at
Speaker 1: a time, one at a time, and that's about it.
Speaker 1: On the weapons front. Uh. You would get some privileges
Speaker 1: though once you became a knight that not everyone got,
Speaker 1: like owning land and being called sir, and that was it.
Speaker 1: I can you were because you own land, and I
Speaker 1: don't think it was necessarily because you're a night, but
Speaker 1: because you own land, you dispense justice locally, right, right,
Speaker 1: somebody stole someone's dog, you'd be like, I'm gonna cut
Speaker 1: this dog in half and you can both have it.
Speaker 1: And the true owner would be like, no, no, don't
Speaker 1: cut the dog in half. He can have the whole dog,
Speaker 1: and you'd be like, it's your dog. Was justice, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you just beat the other guy's head in
Speaker 1: with the warhammer. You could pack heat and church. You
Speaker 1: were allowed to carry your sword to church. Apparently not
Speaker 1: everyone could do that. No, you would get a seat
Speaker 1: at the high table at feasts with the lords and royals,
Speaker 1: and you could wear your armor in battle because you
Speaker 1: could afford it, right, And you also were expected to
Speaker 1: lead soldiers into battle like an officer today. Um, chuck,
Speaker 1: let's talk about wartime for a second. One of the
Speaker 1: things that shaped the European nights where the crusades, Right,
Speaker 1: I don't know a ton about the crusades, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna do probably a full podcast on that at some point,
Speaker 1: I agree, But just just very briefly, the first crusade
Speaker 1: took place in ten ninety six, and it was based
Speaker 1: on a sermon by the Pope in that basically said,
Speaker 1: the Muslims have Jerusalem and we need to go get
Speaker 1: it back. And I think the Europeans are considered to
Speaker 1: have one or been successful in the first crusade. And
Speaker 1: then the Muslims over overran Jerusalem again. Uh, in their
Speaker 1: in their view, took it back because it was an
Speaker 1: equally holy land, right. Um. After that, so for the
Speaker 1: next two years, there were crusades, crusades, crusades, I think
Speaker 1: they were. There were several, yes, right, it's more than two,
Speaker 1: there definitely, And um. Over time, orders of knights developed
Speaker 1: out of these crusades. Uh. And they also this is
Speaker 1: this is the time when religiousness was attached to knighthood,
Speaker 1: so sweating an oath to the church, um, being a Christian,
Speaker 1: defender of Christianity, all of this became attached to knighthood
Speaker 1: about this time, and It was about this time also,
Speaker 1: not coincidentally, that knighthood became romanticized as well, so that
Speaker 1: they had popular support. Yeah. This they were pious. They
Speaker 1: were defending your freedom, exactly, defending God. So the So
Speaker 1: if I think the stirrup, feudalism and the Crusades are
Speaker 1: what really shaped knighthood in in Europe, I would say,
Speaker 1: isn't it crazy how Christians and Muslims all this time,
Speaker 1: all this time had been going at each other. I
Speaker 1: don't think that changed any times. So that's why we
Speaker 1: have to do one on crustates. Yeah, Joshulet's talk about peacetime.
Speaker 1: Okay you want to. Yeah, during peacetime they would have
Speaker 1: tournaments much like you would see at medieval times restaurants
Speaker 1: these days. Have you ever been to one of those? No?
Speaker 1: I haven't either, you know. In fact, the only time.
Speaker 1: The thing I know about him is from the Cable
Speaker 1: Guy movie same here. Actually, yeah, Genny Garfolo is the
Speaker 1: the waitress, the medieval waitress. I don't remember that. She
Speaker 1: was really funny. She had what was her line about
Speaker 1: they asked for a fork or something, and she said
Speaker 1: there were no forks in medieval times, so there are
Speaker 1: no forks at medieval times and so Matthew Broderick had
Speaker 1: to eat with his hands. It sounds familiar, that's because
Speaker 1: you've seen the movie. Uh. During peace time, Josh would
Speaker 1: have these tournaments and it was a big It was
Speaker 1: like the NFL football of the day. It was like
Speaker 1: the NFL and World Cup put together. Imagine how boring
Speaker 1: your life would be during this time. And then all
Speaker 1: of a there's some knights being in the tar out
Speaker 1: of each other in the castle keep. Yeah, that's huge,
Speaker 1: and melee, that's like life changing. You'd probably tell your
Speaker 1: grandchildren about that and they'd be like, shut up, We've
Speaker 1: heard this story eight hundred times. Just go ahead and die.
Speaker 1: I mentioned Malee's two you're an ancient human being. Have
Speaker 1: you ever seen um the Mr Show little clip where
Speaker 1: it's like m questions, questions, questions. Modern man can think
Speaker 1: of three questions instead in like a medieval village, so classic.
Speaker 1: I briefly mentioned the word melee, and that was actually
Speaker 1: a real thing. It wasn't just like a free for all. Well,
Speaker 1: it was a free for all, but that's where the
Speaker 1: word came from. The knights would would gather out in
Speaker 1: the middle of the keep, and sort of reenact what
Speaker 1: a real battle would be like. And judge or Marshall
Speaker 1: would say let it begin, and you would start fight
Speaker 1: each other one at a time until that was only
Speaker 1: one of you left standing, right, And that's why it
Speaker 1: was popular blood sport. Sure, and these things were for
Speaker 1: for spectators. You could also make some cash off of
Speaker 1: them if you won, especially in the joust. If you
Speaker 1: want to joust, you got the other guy's armor extremely
Speaker 1: expensive and horse extremely horses armor, perhaps, sure, and um,
Speaker 1: the guy would be like, well, here you go. I'm
Speaker 1: a knight, so you're a knight too, and you just
Speaker 1: beat me in the joust. Here's my stuff. And the
Speaker 1: guy who was taking it would say, you know, I
Speaker 1: have a really good idea. I've got some extra armor
Speaker 1: I'm never going to use here unless you are virtually naked.
Speaker 1: Let me just sell it back to you. But that's
Speaker 1: my armor. And it'd be like t s hell, you
Speaker 1: have to buy it back because I'll kill you if
Speaker 1: you don't. But so if you did that a few times,
Speaker 1: you just made a bunch of money in one tournament.
Speaker 1: Unless you're losing. You can also lose your fortune if
Speaker 1: you're a bad jouster, I would be I would try
Speaker 1: to improve my jousting skills. For sure. You could also
Speaker 1: lose your life if you were King Henry the Second
Speaker 1: of France. Yeah he died, but he got a spear
Speaker 1: through the little visor right like right through the eyehole
Speaker 1: and during a joust. Josh, it's hard to say you
Speaker 1: would charge each other on a horse. Obviously you've probably
Speaker 1: seen this before with your joust out. What I did
Speaker 1: not know is what you're trying to do. I always
Speaker 1: thought you were just trying to knock them off. You're
Speaker 1: trying to break your lance on their body. Well, you
Speaker 1: won if you knocked him off, but you they You
Speaker 1: could also win through points by breaking a lance or
Speaker 1: just even making contact. But I'm under the impression you've
Speaker 1: got more points if you broke your lance. Well, and
Speaker 1: you get more points according to which body part you
Speaker 1: break it on, like if you break it on a
Speaker 1: dude's head, I would say that's probably more points. Although
Speaker 1: back then maybe that was in poor formed, maybe that
Speaker 1: was penalty penalized. Who notes, I don't know. This is
Speaker 1: a culture where again the more scial arts are consist
Speaker 1: of beating other people. A death of blunt instruments and
Speaker 1: you were talking about making a ton of money. That
Speaker 1: was a famous night called Ulrich von Liechtenstein. And he's
Speaker 1: the one who Heath Ledger. Heath Ledger's character im Posts
Speaker 1: pretended to be yes yes in that movie. And he's
Speaker 1: a legendary knight who apparently was pretty good at jousting.
Speaker 1: He actually wrote an autobiography. Really. Yeah, it's in the
Speaker 1: source in Middle English. Yeah, that must have been a
Speaker 1: fun read. I think it's translated into Late English Old
Speaker 1: English with an eight oldie. Yeah. Emily's parents used to
Speaker 1: live on in one of those neighborhoods where it's all
Speaker 1: you know, the English, Nottingham Force. Their street was Crown Point,
Speaker 1: but we called it Crowny Point because it was obviously
Speaker 1: at ease. And I always call evandale Estates e oldie
Speaker 1: avandala Estates. Did you know there is no word ye
Speaker 1: the y e still pronounced the really, so when I
Speaker 1: say ye old, I'm just did moron. There's no such thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but again, Chuck, I think one of the things that
Speaker 1: we've done with this show is proved that if you
Speaker 1: can get your point across, that's correct. Okay, gotcha, let's
Speaker 1: talk about armor. Okay, chain mail, Well, first it had leather, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is barbed from the Romans. Yes, and leather was
Speaker 1: pretty good for like a sword swipe. Yeah, it protected
Speaker 1: against cutting blows, but if you were going to be
Speaker 1: running through, you're in trouble exactly. And the same with chainmail.
Speaker 1: Chainmail was was good and would protect you even more
Speaker 1: from a slice, but still a big joust or a
Speaker 1: or atlance jousting you puncturing you a big sword, your
Speaker 1: your chain mail probably not gonna work out that well either.
Speaker 1: And it says in this article that that was also
Speaker 1: barbed from the Romans. Untrue. Chain mail was developed by
Speaker 1: Celts in Eastern Europe as far back as the third
Speaker 1: time tree. Does it say that in here? No? Okay? Uh?
Speaker 1: And then if you had some serious dough you would
Speaker 1: get the plate armor, which uh, if you've ever seen
Speaker 1: like the nights standing in the corner, not the real Yeah,
Speaker 1: the suit of armor, that's exactly what it is. Um.
Speaker 1: They protected you a lot more from a puncture wound,
Speaker 1: but still wasn't And where you're really vulnerable was in
Speaker 1: the gussets where like in your armpits and the places
Speaker 1: where your joints would meet where you had chainmail underneath.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna ask you. They were chainmail
Speaker 1: and the plated armor. So does that equal what a
Speaker 1: modern day soldier would I read that chainmail and plate
Speaker 1: mail weighed about the same fortounds, So then I guess
Speaker 1: if you were wearing both a be eighty to a
Speaker 1: hundred pounds of armor. Right. And apparently they could move
Speaker 1: around pretty pretty well in these It's not like in
Speaker 1: the funny movies when you see them like on the
Speaker 1: ground writing about because they can't get up. Apparently you
Speaker 1: can move, Okay, not like if you were wearing nothing
Speaker 1: at all, because that's when you can really move when
Speaker 1: you're naked, right, But you could get up off the ground.
Speaker 1: You could mount a horse, but that doesn't do anything
Speaker 1: if you got a gun pointing out you, does it? No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. And actually, um, I can't remember the show,
Speaker 1: but it's one of the shows where one ancient warrior
Speaker 1: battles another ancient warrior and it was called Battles of
Speaker 1: the Ancient Warriors something. There's like five of them in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a few. Um there there was I saw a
Speaker 1: pirate versus Night right, I would say a night would
Speaker 1: win because they had gunpowder. Yes, that's exactly right. If
Speaker 1: that pirate had just had his sword, he would have
Speaker 1: been totally screwed, but he had gunpowder. And this is
Speaker 1: a really good point that um, gunpowder made Night's obsolete. Actually,
Speaker 1: and by the way, in the Pirate versus Night battle
Speaker 1: at the end, the pirate gets the Night down, pulls
Speaker 1: his visor up and shoots him in the faces. It's
Speaker 1: really graphic. Did they reenact these Yeah, yeah, they battle.
Speaker 1: I got to see that. Um. But the the gunpowder
Speaker 1: brought about the end of the military martial knights because
Speaker 1: number one, there was no more like you couldn't make
Speaker 1: armor that was that was going to defend against firearms.
Speaker 1: And that was a huge hallmark of characteristic of a
Speaker 1: night the ability to wear armor and fight on a horse.
Speaker 1: Not everybody could do that, And that same specialization became
Speaker 1: obsolete by gunpowder because I can just shoot you with
Speaker 1: the gun. You go ahead and study for fourteen years
Speaker 1: your little sword, play and protect the wine, and I'll
Speaker 1: just shoot you in the face because I'm a pirate.
Speaker 1: So that was the end of knighthood, much the same
Speaker 1: way that firearms brought about the end of the Samurai
Speaker 1: in Japan as well. They were just sort of like
Speaker 1: Asian Nights in a way. Yes, yes, uh, chuck, yes,
Speaker 1: you want to talk about a few orders of Nights
Speaker 1: Nights Templar. Do you know how many emails we would
Speaker 1: get if we just hadn't talked about the Knights Templar.
Speaker 1: I'm so sick of the Knights Templar. I am too,
Speaker 1: this whole Dan Brown stuff. Yes, there was a whole
Speaker 1: group of Knights, and they were associated with the devil,
Speaker 1: but they actually have like this plundered this treasure. I
Speaker 1: hate it, it's so played out. So that's the Knights Templar.
Speaker 1: That was also of the Knights Hospitallers and uh also
Speaker 1: called the Knights of St John of the Hospital, and
Speaker 1: they cared for the sick pilgrims, which is what they
Speaker 1: do today right in the Templar and the Knights of
Speaker 1: St John of the Hospital Um both and Teutonic Knights
Speaker 1: all developed to protect pilgrims on the way to the
Speaker 1: Holy Land during the Crusades. Remember we said the Crusades
Speaker 1: really shaped Nights Um Order of the Garter. Yeah. King
Speaker 1: Edward the Third of England established this and the hundreds,
Speaker 1: and they were an elite group of knights that are
Speaker 1: still around today and their royalty and a point by
Speaker 1: the Sovereign of Great Britain. Yes, And originally there were
Speaker 1: um women in the Order of the Garter. Uh. And
Speaker 1: that went away for many centuries, and then in seven
Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth said we're gonna get the gals back in
Speaker 1: this exactly. And um Order of the Garter weren't the
Speaker 1: only female knights, right, Yeah, what was the other one?
Speaker 1: There was a bunch um from let's see thirty fourteen
Speaker 1: there were women in the Order of the Garter. Um,
Speaker 1: in the Order of the Star of India. There was
Speaker 1: another order of knights, didn't we Oh no, that's the
Speaker 1: Order of the Eastern Star. God do we get those confused? Um, well,
Speaker 1: they're pretty close the In eighteen sixty one, a woman
Speaker 1: with one of the coolest names of all time, nawab
Speaker 1: Begam It sounds like Barbara Walters is pronouncing nawab Begham,
Speaker 1: was inducted in eighteen sixty one. Um Order of the Hatchet. Yes,
Speaker 1: sounded like it sounds like probably the meanest female knights
Speaker 1: to be the Order of the Hatchet. And they protected
Speaker 1: the h They defended the Spanish down with Tortosa from
Speaker 1: the moors. And so they said, you know what, you
Speaker 1: did a pretty good job. We're gonna make you the
Speaker 1: Order of the Hatchet. And unfortunately that original group was
Speaker 1: the only Order of the Hatchet. They didn't survive beyond that.
Speaker 1: And then, um, the Order of St. John's of the
Speaker 1: Hospital also had female knights known as nuns. Warrior nuns,
Speaker 1: warrior nuns. You don't see that in the movies. And
Speaker 1: then there wasn't a lot going on with knights for
Speaker 1: a couple of centuries until a little guy with stubby
Speaker 1: fingers stopped doing cocaine and straightened up his life. A
Speaker 1: man named Elton John was knighted in as we like
Speaker 1: to say here in Atlanta. Sometime Atlanta resident or part
Speaker 1: time Atlanta resident. Boy when he moved here. That just Southerners. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the toast of the town, wouldn't he still? I'd
Speaker 1: never see him around? I don't know, Uh, Paul McCartney,
Speaker 1: Mick Jagger, Bono? Are we calling him Bono? Is that
Speaker 1: not his name? I thought it was Bono? Is it
Speaker 1: one of the two. I'm just kidding. Bono is is
Speaker 1: I think what's his real name, Paul Houston. I think
Speaker 1: I think that's right, is it? I think so. I
Speaker 1: don't think they called him imagined him within a real name, Yeah,
Speaker 1: named Paul Bono. Vox was what he was his a
Speaker 1: full name and it means a good voice. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a little full of himself back when he was a
Speaker 1: kid in Ireland. In Ireland. Uh and um, the Edge,
Speaker 1: what's his name, Tommy Edge? He has, he has a
Speaker 1: real name to He wasn't born in the Edge. He
Speaker 1: was married as the Edge though. Yeah, I remember when
Speaker 1: he got married. I don't know if like in the ceremony,
Speaker 1: but in all of the spread it was like the
Speaker 1: Edge and Mrs Edge. I think his name is Dave something.
Speaker 1: But I wonder if those guys ever felt silly now
Speaker 1: it's um Dave Coolier that's his name, is it. I
Speaker 1: wonder if they ever feel silly like sixty called the
Speaker 1: Edge and Edge. I thought of that when I was eighteen.
Speaker 1: It was kind of cool back then. That would be
Speaker 1: the equivalent of those stupid Jersey Shore kids with all
Speaker 1: their dumb names. Yeah, I can't believe that there. I
Speaker 1: can't believe the Jersey Shore can't believe that in two
Speaker 1: thousand ten, The Jersey Shore is one of the most
Speaker 1: popular shows on television. I've never seen it. Just just
Speaker 1: take like a minute and really watch a clip on YouTube.
Speaker 1: You'll get everything you need to know. They won't be
Speaker 1: night at anytime soon. Uh? And who else? Well you
Speaker 1: get if you're a female n you're a dame, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like Dame Judy Dench. You want to hear some more
Speaker 1: surprising ones? Oh yeah, Steven Spielberg really, Bill Gates, Scottie Pippen, No, no,
Speaker 1: he's he's an honorary member of the Eastern Star Bill Gates.
Speaker 1: Ted Kennedy got one right before he died. Rudy Giuliani
Speaker 1: really who? By the way, I learned UM has a
Speaker 1: Blackwater esque security company. Now that's how he's making his money.
Speaker 1: They're fighting the drug war down in Mexico. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that, but yeah, Pale Colin Powell really.
Speaker 1: Robert Mugabe, the president Zimbabwe whose knighthood was rescinded in
Speaker 1: two thousand eight just being a horrible dictator. Um. And
Speaker 1: then Mussolini was also a night starting in n and
Speaker 1: his rescinded in ninety and then Bob Hope. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: makes sense. Honorary night. Wow, so we could actually be nights.
Speaker 1: I thought you had to be uh, you know, not
Speaker 1: from the not American. If you're American, you can be knighted.
Speaker 1: But you're not titled sir h So when it wasn't
Speaker 1: sir Bob Hope, No, just Bob, It's yeah Bob, just
Speaker 1: Bob or what he wanted. Anyway, Chuck, this is a
Speaker 1: long one. Do we have any listener mail anything like that? Uh,
Speaker 1: let's do a quick announcement for our trivia event, and
Speaker 1: then we have a few Facebook questions. Well, um, I
Speaker 1: guess let's get the trivia announcement. Music started mm hmm Chuck.
Speaker 1: On October two thousand ten, eight d there will be
Speaker 1: an event unlike any other except for one that we
Speaker 1: held in New York in June. This is a quick version.
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Speaker 1: it was likely surmised at five Seasons Brewery. We're having
Speaker 1: our trivia event. Doors opened at six West Side. Yes,
Speaker 1: where what Mariette and Howell Mill. It's like right there.
Speaker 1: Um from six six pm. The doors opened seven pm.
Speaker 1: We're starting trivia John Hodgeman, UM, the editor of The Onion,
Speaker 1: Joe Randazzo and the creator of Aquitine Hunger Force day
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Speaker 1: that's gonna be awesome. Anybody who wants to come can play.
Speaker 1: I believe um scout mob right, They're going to have
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Speaker 1: something they can get jumped on the bandwagon here and there.
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Speaker 1: night before at the Drunken Unicorn on Punts the Daily
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Speaker 1: You should know that Henry Clay People will be playing
Speaker 1: starting at what time it's a it's a later show. UM.
Speaker 1: I would get there by like you know, nine. They
Speaker 1: probably won't gone about eleven, so hopefully John and Joe
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Speaker 1: all be in Guadalajara by then. I just saw the
Speaker 1: guys too this past weekend. Cool it came through town,
Speaker 1: not playing a gig, but we cooked out and played
Speaker 1: music and it's all that was awesome. It's good time.
Speaker 1: Did you use your guitar picks? No? I didn't, Actually,
Speaker 1: I just kind of watched while they played. Um, how
Speaker 1: many kid these can we get to? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Emily ever hang out together? Yes, they do, Wayne, Chuck
Speaker 1: and I hang out together, but we have forbade them
Speaker 1: from seeing each other unless we don't want them talking
Speaker 1: or coming up with anything to use against this. Right.
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Speaker 1: Uh like this you would tell me? Actually? She thinks
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Speaker 1: Franklin Sweetie says, what was your best Halloween costume ever?
Speaker 1: I was a Harry Krishna one year and that went
Speaker 1: over pretty well. I like shave my head and had
Speaker 1: the ponytail and little tambourine and literature and everything, real literature.
Speaker 1: Did you get your hands on some hardy Christina litterus? No,
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Speaker 1: I was in elementary school, my mom made an upside
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Speaker 1: Kristin Keeler says, you cover a lot of topics that
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Speaker 1: what do you know a lot about? Personally expertise wise? Oh? Weird? Um? Um?
Speaker 1: You know a lot about politics, I guess, but I
Speaker 1: mean how is that? What do you know a lot
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Speaker 1: throwing stars, throwing stars the Joe Moore says, I saw
Speaker 1: Pavement last night in Central Park. It was truly memorable. Guys.
Speaker 1: What is your best concert experience ever? At a top
Speaker 1: five Wow, public Enemy and at the Masquerade unbelievable cross
Speaker 1: cultural experience. The London Philharmonic did baetom It's night that
Speaker 1: Carnegie Hall, the full choir, Oh de joy, unbelievable um
Speaker 1: to Lallapaloos experience is the first one of Jane's addiction
Speaker 1: that was immense, and then the second one the Beastie
Speaker 1: plays was just out of control, so good. Yeah, Bonnie
Speaker 1: Prince Billy last year, which I know you hate and
Speaker 1: leave on helm I sa'll leave on Helming last year
Speaker 1: and I was just He's the was the drummer and
Speaker 1: part time singer for the band my favorite group, Oh
Speaker 1: the band, the band? Yeah? I got you? What about you?
Speaker 1: What's your favorite stage show I ever saw in my
Speaker 1: entire life? Was Peter Gabriel in the I guess early
Speaker 1: nineties that would have been good. Um, I guess all
Speaker 1: around best show I ever saw would have been alternate
Speaker 1: down in Florida when I was a little brave kid.
Speaker 1: And then, let's see, there has to be at least
Speaker 1: one other. Did you have a pacifier? Yes, they had
Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse on it. Yeah. Yeah. I was definitely one
Speaker 1: of those grave kids. I was so glad. I'm just
Speaker 1: old enough to have been too old for the rave culture. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just saw the big leg jeans and the past
Speaker 1: fires and I just didn't get it. Oh and probably
Speaker 1: my first concert ever, Haul of Notes, with Until Tuesday
Speaker 1: opening form Poor Till Tuesday got Buddolf stage. Really yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: But Hall of Notes came out and they were backed
Speaker 1: by g Smith and started out band including the guy
Speaker 1: who wears like the floor length mink coats and plays
Speaker 1: the sacks like they were the band, and they played everything.
Speaker 1: So that was a good one too. I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I like concerts. I'm gonna start going to him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Amy Man is still terrific. Sure, and she's buddies with
Speaker 1: Paul Tompkins. I did not know, I believe, so awesome
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