1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff You Should Know? 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: From House Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, Charles W. Chuck Brian is 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: rubbing his hair out across from me. That makes this 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know featuring Chuck rubbing his hair I 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: thought you said rubbing his hair out out? How do 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: you do that? What does that mean against your skull? 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: And now it's standing. Sorry, our colloquialism just cause problems 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: sometimes on then Yeah, you're right. Yeah, I'm good. You've 11 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: done vomiting four hours, dude? Yeah, like, I'm like to 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: the minute almost. I'm glad. This table is what keeps 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: us as far apart as I couldn't. I don't think 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: I could projectile over here. Oh I thought you might 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: get you sick. You mean, vomit on you both, I'm 16 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: kind of afraid of both. Neither one will happen. I'm good, 17 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: So Chuck, I'm glad, you're good. Thank you. I was 18 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: looking all over for something to lead in with this. 19 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: I considered talking about the Paladin class character I created 20 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: when I played Dungeons and Dragons as a kid. Um. 21 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: I don't remember his name, so it's kind of stupid, right, Um. 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: I searched news for nights and I found that in 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: Crest View, Florida, the Nights overpowered the Hobos and volleyball. Yeah, 24 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: but it's made for a pretty good title, Nights overpower Hobos. Um, 25 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: And that was about it. That's the best I got. 26 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: There's nothing going on with nights really these days except 27 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: the occasional CBS news article about somebody getting an honorary 28 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: titles a musician or actor. This is well, I guess 29 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: there's other people, but they got the press. Yeah, definitely. Um. 30 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: So there's not a lot going on with nights. But 31 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: I can tell you something. If this were or fourteenth century, 32 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: we wouldn't be recording a podcast, no, but we would. 33 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: There'd be news about nights all over the place, everywhere 34 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: they Yeah, so let's go back to this. Let's talk 35 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: about nights. What happened to them? Where did they go, 36 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: where did they come from, what did they do in between? 37 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: Let's get to the meat of this. Shall we take it? Chuck, 38 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: oh Josh, I'm gonna go ahead and start with what 39 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: was going on? Back then after the fall of the 40 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: Roman Empire. So chronologically it is a we'll start at 41 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: the beginning as far as nights are concerned. Uh, we're 42 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: talking about Western Europe. After the fall the Roman Empire. 43 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: It was sort of a sort of a lawless mess. 44 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: It was chaos of an area, no defined countries, no 45 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: defined governments, no laws that anyone was you know, abiding by. 46 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: People were still managing in existence. It was just often 47 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: threatened by violence. Yeah, like if I see something that 48 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: I want, I would take it by force, including your dog. 49 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: Those are the good old days, or that keg of beer. Right. Uh. 50 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: And because of this, it was a little bit hard 51 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: to control. So if you were let's say Charlemagne and 52 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: you had a lot of this land, right, you might 53 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: want to do something. I might want to impose some 54 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: sort of restriction or a body to kind of rule 55 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: or take care of things. Perhaps the geopolitical system. Yeah, 56 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: without it being a government. Well, it was a government. 57 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: It's a form of government. It's also a form of 58 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: economics to feudalism, right, yeah, feudalism. Right. So Charlotte is 59 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: um here or Charlemagne Charlomi is m Charlot. That was 60 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: the original name and then he's like, oh, that's just 61 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: too vain. Let's call it um. Charlemagne was a Frankish king, 62 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: right and he um, he had just a bunch of land. 63 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: I guess that he conquered or he just said, hey, 64 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: this is mine. This land is my land, not this 65 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: land is your land, right uh. And he since he 66 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: lacked the central government, he said, hey, you're a buddy 67 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: of mine, you're an ally. I trust you. You're dead 68 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: and I fought in the war together. Um, here's some land. 69 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: It's yours, but you owe me big time for that land. 70 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: And this is the basis of feudalism. One person dolls outland, 71 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: the king, the ruler dolls outland to the secondary ruling class, nobility, 72 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: and that's their land, and in return they pay for 73 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: the land through military service generally protection basically. And then 74 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: one rung down below nobility is the surf or or 75 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: peasant class, and they're attached to the land. They're essentially slaves. 76 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: They got the short end of the stick, they definitely did. So. Um, 77 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: they pay for their land that the nobilities doled out 78 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: to them. So it's subdivided even further by giving their 79 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: the nobleman that they serve or vassal I believe they're 80 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: also called um food or crops or goods. Right, yeah, 81 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: so that's how they paid for their land. But they 82 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: were really they didn't have much of a choice, right, 83 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: And uh, the funderalism worked because Charlemagne is what He's 84 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: able to keep all of this land by giving it 85 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: to his friends, the fists, who are going to yeah 86 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: that's the land, right, who are going to protect it 87 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: against foreign invaders because it's theirs, but really it's Charlottaagne's. Well, yeah, 88 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: and then the vassals, the knights, they wanted to protect 89 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: the serfs because they wanted to you know, the the 90 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: knights made most of their dough from what I could 91 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: see by their land ownership and farming, and we'll get 92 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: into other ways they made money too, but they wanted 93 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: to protect their dudes so they could, you know, prosper well. 94 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: Not only that a knight could make money by serving 95 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: in the stead or the service of the noble person 96 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: that is paying them, because you had to. You you 97 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: paid for your land through military was either directly by 98 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: yourself or by paying somebody else to do it for you, 99 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: or by producing land and the feudal system did away 100 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: with um, the middle class and common the commons, common land. 101 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: It just did away with it. Because Charlotte Magne was like, 102 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: this is mine and you work for me now and 103 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: it's sort of yours, but it's really kind of mine. 104 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: But in return there was that social contract which um 105 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: led to basically trading freedom for protection, which is the 106 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: basis of government today. Think about it. So the Nights 107 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: were born out of that, right, Chuck, Yes, sir, pretty much. Um. Well, 108 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: what it did too was with feudalism, you could it 109 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: gave you in a time of chaos. It gave you 110 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: a path like a career path almost in a way 111 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: that you could advance in life if you wanted to. Yeah, 112 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: because part of feudalism was the land grant um was bestowed, 113 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: it was passed down through the family lawn, and they 114 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: just decided to do that. There was no over any 115 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: part of feudalism where it's like, well we're going to 116 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: set it up like this kind of evolved so a 117 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: landowner could pass it to his oldest son, but he 118 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: may have more than one son, and the other sons 119 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: like I want to be rich too, so I'm gonna 120 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: go become a night, Yes, exactly right, and nights were not. Uh, 121 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: you weren't born into knighthood. You were born into being 122 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: ultimately a a page and then later on a squire. 123 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: But you had to earn your knighthood for right. Yeah. 124 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: Um yeah, if you if your dad was a night, 125 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: you were automatically a page. But poor people could also 126 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: conceivably become pages themselves, right, Yes, apparently I didn't even 127 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: see A Night's Tale. You didn't know, did you. It 128 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: was this weird anachronism years and everything, and it was 129 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: it was weird, but it was pretty cool movie. Paul 130 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: Bettany was in it. Um, I like that some other 131 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: guy who you'd recognize who was Steve the Pirate um Dodgeball. Yeah, 132 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: I know that guy, he was in it, and then 133 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: this other dude and then that another guy. Yeah, and 134 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: that girl r I p Heath Ledger by the way. 135 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, really that's a big one. Uh. So, like 136 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: we said, you were, you're automatically a page and basically 137 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: up until the age of about seven, you were just 138 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: sort of doated on by the women at the castle 139 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: taking care of exactly. And then when you became seven, 140 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: they moved you to another house with another lord, and 141 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: you were all of a sudden a page and you 142 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 1: were taught how to hunt and um, sort of the 143 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: beginnings of being taught how to fight. You were schooled 144 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 1: by the monks. Uh in you know school does in 145 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: reading and writing, not they schooled you, although they may 146 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: have done that, dude. Sure and uh that's basically where 147 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: they got their their start in this whole quest to 148 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: become a knight. Yeah, and you were saying that at 149 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: about age seven you were conscripted or given to another 150 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: house and usually it was a friend of the family 151 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: or a relative who was a knight. Um, and that 152 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: was about age seven. So that's where the word night 153 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: comes from. It's an old Anglo Saxon word nicked, I 154 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: believe for boy you didn't know how to pronounce. There's 155 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: a lot of letters in it's being said C N 156 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: I H T knit yes, weird Nit that's chaucer. Sure, 157 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: um and also chuck. I found out in researching this 158 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: article that the German word for night is writtter, which 159 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: is literally writer. So the name of the TV show 160 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: night Writer was redundant interesting writer writer or night night 161 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: and the Germans love Hasselhoff. It all makes sense, that's crazy, alright. 162 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: So after age seven, the kid became a page, and 163 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: basically the page was the little gopher for the knight's house. Right. 164 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: In addition to being trained, he also just basically did 165 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: whatever he was supposed to do. And then around the 166 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: time he turned fourteen, he was eligible to become an 167 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: esquire or squire, and his responsibilities and training became much 168 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: more specific. Right, Yeah, I mean you were really a 169 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: houseboy at this point. There's a lot of work that 170 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: went into like fourteen years of of work, or I 171 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: get the feeling. From from page to squire was a 172 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: little more learning, but then from squire to night was 173 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: when the rubber meets the road. Yes it was not 174 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: Rubbert or Rhodes, but you know what I mean, there 175 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: were trails, trails. That's where the hoof met the trail. 176 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: How's that? So they became a squire at fourteen, and 177 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: that's um. They had a little ceremony, a religious ceremony 178 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: where you get your sword, which is pretty big deal 179 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: at the time, I'm sure, Um, and you basically become 180 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: a houseboy there. Each squire had a different job specific 181 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: to the castle. Can you guess which squire I would 182 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: have wanted to be. Well, here, let's go through him 183 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: and let's see if maybe I wish we could do 184 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: instant voting. But say in your heads, people out there listening, 185 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: what you think Josh would have been. You have a 186 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: squire of the boy and that was the personal servant. 187 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: I get the feeling. They were probably probably the most 188 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: trusted uh squire of the chamber. And they attended to 189 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: the rooms. That was sort of like I guess the maid. 190 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: That's that's the worst squire job. The housekeeper, the carving. 191 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: The carving squire or table squire carved the meat at 192 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: the banquet tables, which at catering companies nowadays, the like 193 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: the most stoned dude is the table squire, also known 194 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: as the protector of the roast beef, Yes, protector of 195 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: the roast beef. The squire of the wines managed the 196 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: wine seller. They'd be a good gig. Squire of the 197 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: pantry took care of the food and make sure the 198 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: pantry was stocked with canned goods and peanut butter and 199 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: all the good stuff that knights loved to eat. Uh 200 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: Squire the arms, of course, maintained the armament and the 201 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: swords and all that kind of stuff in the Squire 202 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: of Honor assisted the Lord and ceremonies and feasts. Which 203 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: one are you? I think that anybody who's listened to 204 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: us more than once or twice could tell you. I 205 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: would like to be the fire of the wines, Squire 206 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: the wines. I'd probably be the squire of the pantry, 207 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: because I'm into cooking and stuff well like you, and 208 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: I would be like, hey, man, I'll slide you one 209 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: of these, if some of that, give me a bottle 210 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: of that wine, I'll give you some roast beef. Or 211 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: maybe i'd be the carving dude that's cool at the 212 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: carving station kind or if they had an omelet station, 213 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: I'd like to do that, the squire of the omelet stage. 214 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: Nice chuck so um. From hanging out with the at 215 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: these feasts and carving the roast beef and making the 216 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: omelets and tending the wine that the the squire was 217 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: also being indoctrinated into um, a higher lifestyle, learn how 218 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: to how to carry himself in in in situations like 219 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: feasts and um festivals and all this stuff. Right, they 220 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: learned how to be really awful and drink too much 221 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: to excess and pillage. Basically pretty much. It wasn't as 222 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: as you know, lofty as it seems I would imagine. No, 223 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: it's been um night who it? I guess we should 224 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: probably say has been romanticized almost entirely through literature that 225 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: big time actually originated in the thirteenth century, I believe it, 226 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: like Whillace is going on, they started to romanticize kind 227 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: of like Billy the Kids stories that were read by 228 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: the youngsters and east in the nineteenth century, the little 229 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: serial books. Alright, so what you're doing is you're you're 230 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: learning all these things, like you said, learning how to 231 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: be a bad person. Actually that's not true. Do you 232 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: don't want to offend the knights in the nights? Elton 233 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: John will have your head. But they also learned they 234 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: started to do a little bit more training in the 235 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: martial arts of of night dum um, like how to 236 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: handle and ride horses? How does strike someone over the 237 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: head with a heavy hammer? Yeah, with a heavy hammer. 238 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: They started wearing the chainmail to get used to like 239 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: walking around and that kind of stuff and all the 240 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: weight um and I looked this up, chuck um chainmail 241 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: and plainmail weighed about the same pounds, which seems like 242 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: a lot, but it's about half of what the average 243 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: foot soldier in the U. S. Army today carries. An 244 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: average rifleman carries about nine pounds of gear. Yeah, but 245 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 1: did the Knights carry stuff in addition to just know 246 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: they had squires? Another another duty of the squire was 247 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: when the night went into battle um or tournament, he right, 248 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: but in battle specifically he went with him, and if 249 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: the night fell, he was expected to to basically aid 250 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: and protect the night as he got up. And actually, 251 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: we should just since you mentioned that, we should go 252 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: ahead and point out that you could become an instant 253 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: night on the battlefield. And I get the impression that 254 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: if you saved your night's bacon, you might have a 255 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: good chance of just being knighted right there on the battlefield. Right, 256 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: A night was bestowed with the the ability to invest 257 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: knighthood into a squire under circumstances like that. But for 258 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: the most part they followed a um a process right 259 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: where once you turned about twenty one, if you'd proven 260 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: yourself a decent square fire, if you weren't just completely 261 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, fat from being inspired the panther, your your 262 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: liver given out from being the squire of the wine 263 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: right right, Um, you could become a night right and 264 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: usually this took place during an event like a larger 265 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: event like the Christmas or Easter feast. Yeah, a nobleman's 266 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: wedding or festival or something like that. Yeah, and you 267 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: could be bestowed knighthood by other nights, kings, nobles, clergy. 268 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: And I get the impression that the most favorite way 269 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: if your father was a knight, he might do the 270 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: do the double tap, not the double tap of the 271 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: swat teams and the delta force, but the sword on 272 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: either side of the head tap on the shoulder. So 273 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: this the the squire would would sit up for a 274 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: night praying right and Um. When he was finally knighted, 275 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: he would take an oath that usually included several points right. Um. 276 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: Defending a lady, it's a big one, speaking only the truth. Um. 277 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: Being loyal to his lord. That's a huge part of 278 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: the feudal system. Um. Being devoted to the church. That 279 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: was also that came to be a huge part of 280 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: being a night with the crusades. Yeah, Um, defending the poor, 281 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: being charitable, defending the helpless, being brave, and then getting 282 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: more specific rules to at least cracked me up a 283 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: little bit, like um, fighting only one person at a time, 284 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: never avoiding a dangerous path out of fear. See, I 285 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: would have failed that one. It would have been like, 286 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: that path looks a lot safer to me, so let's 287 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: go that way. That seems like a smart thing to do, 288 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: not a cowardly thing. Right. That's just me. But if you, 289 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: if you framed it like that, you could be like, well, 290 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: I didn't avoid that path out of fear. I avoided 291 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: it because out of intelligence, Yes, exactly. Um. Never taking 292 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: off your armor during a quest except to sleep, I 293 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: would that'd be such a drag. It would be. Can 294 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: you imagine, Like you get back after the battle and 295 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: you're kicking it around the campfire and all you want 296 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: to do is take off your armor and relax. But 297 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: then the guy who does next to you takes an 298 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: arrow in his back and you're like, man, I'm glad 299 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: I kept my armor on while you're beating someone in 300 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: with the war hammer. That's what you're thinking. Um. There's 301 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: also this one kind of got me because I would 302 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: just want to go to sleep, and if I didn't 303 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: feel like talking. I wouldn't want to talk. But apparently 304 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: one of the oaths that a night took was to um. 305 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: Upon returning from a quest or a journey, or a 306 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: battle or something, he would entertain his the person he 307 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: was um conscripted to with with his stories. See, i'd 308 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: be great at that part. You definitely would. We should. 309 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: I just I'd just be like, I don't feel like 310 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: doing this, so I'm gonna I'm not gonna do this. 311 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: We should call this one why Chuck and Josh would 312 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: be horrible nights? I think you'd be a good night. 313 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: Oh really sure, I'd be a good uh pantry tender. 314 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: And that's about it? What was it? What was the 315 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: last one? There? The one that uh, if he was 316 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: taking prisoner, he would give up arms and horse to 317 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: the opponent and never fight the opponent again without the 318 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: opponent's consent. Yeah, that's I wouldn't want to fight that 319 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: opponent again if they beat me down. You wouldn't want, like, See, 320 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: that's why i'd be a bad night. Check. Revenge makes 321 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: the world go around you. Who are you to buck 322 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: that trend? That's true, And once you were indoctrinated, you 323 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: would get your sword, like I said, and then you 324 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: would also finally get your armor and your horse, and 325 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: right away they would kind of throw you into things 326 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: in the form of demonstrating your abilities. Not on the battlefield, no, 327 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: you you kind of hop on a horse. I imagine 328 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: this to be like, um, you know, some like hormoned 329 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: up kid. It's like, yeah, man, watch this, and it's 330 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: like starts beating up on like other little kids who 331 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 1: are still squires, you know that in front of everybody. Yeah, 332 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: except now he's got a real sword. Um. And also, chuck, 333 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: we should say those oaths that the night took yeah, 334 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: um basically made up the code of Chivalry, which was 335 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: established um basically because knights were the only ones who 336 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: were armed, who were capable of, um, you know, battling 337 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: on horseback and could just completely reek havoc any anywhere 338 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: they wanted to. So the code of chivalry, especially defending 339 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: the poor in the week. They didn't kill the poor 340 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: in the week, right, or take their stuff or whatever. 341 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: So this code of Chivalry was intended to keep these um, 342 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 1: comparatively powerful people from just doing whatever they wanted. That 343 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: was ideal, it didn't always work out. Like knights also 344 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: generally pillaged and plundered and took whatever they wanted and 345 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: ignored the chivalric code, which it comes from the French 346 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: were josh chevalry, which means chivalry. Skills to handle a 347 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: horse is actually what it means. Yeah, and originally that's 348 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,239 Speaker 1: what knights were, just like remember the samurai, they were 349 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: originally horsemen. Um, a lot of commonalities between these two. 350 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: Actually they Yeah, they both went the way of the 351 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: dinosaur because of gunpowder, which we'll get to. Um, there's 352 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: a spoiler, but you can you can also you can 353 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: make the case that, um, the fall of the Roman Empire, feudalism, 354 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: and the invention of the stirrup all allowed knighthood to develop. 355 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: The stirrup showed up in the eighth century, and it 356 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 1: allowed stability while you're staying on a horse and lancing somebody. Well, 357 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: and imagine with all the armor and everything too. It 358 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: probably helped to get up on the horse to begin with. 359 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: But that was pretty much like if you could, if 360 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: you could fight somebody on a horse, you were a knight. 361 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: Before all of this tradition was dressed alongside of knighthood, 362 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: the mounted soldiers. Essentially what a knight was should we 363 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: talk about weapons? Well, yeah, I just mentioned the lance, right. Yeah. 364 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: The lance was basically like a spear earlier on, and 365 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: then later on it developed the the handguard, the in 366 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: a metal tip on the end of it, and that 367 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: was you know, if you were on a mounted horse, 368 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: you wanted something long so you could engage in battle 369 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 1: without getting down from the horse. Then they had their 370 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: sword double edged carbon Uh what kind of carbon steel? Yeah, 371 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: but usually light on the carbon steel. Light on the 372 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: carbon steel, heavy on the ketchup. Uh. And they had 373 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: the cross guard, hilt and the pommel, which you know 374 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: you've all seen excalibirds, that classic looking sword, very large, 375 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: I would imagine, pretty heavy. I never picked one up, 376 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 1: and they you know, depending on how much money you 377 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: had determined how fancy your sword was. Yeah, it could 378 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: have like a prayer inscribed to nature or your name. Yeah, 379 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: found returned to Josh Clark. Can't you see it? Like 380 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 1: pinned to like your your plate mail, your gauntlet. Um 381 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: and and uh so the sword in the lance where 382 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: the two main weapons, right, Yeah, you've talked about the 383 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: warhammer a couple of times. I imagine that's probably what 384 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: you would have liked. Did you look out the war 385 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: hammer on Google Images. Yeah, so it's like they're not 386 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: as big. It's not like Thor's war hammer. It's like 387 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: a tack hammer with the um pointed like the rounded 388 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,200 Speaker 1: curve pointed end on one side and then a hammer 389 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: on the other. And I just imagine like some guy 390 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: in in some sort of male just beating somebody's head 391 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: in with this. I doubt if it was pretty That's 392 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: what the European martial arts amounted to, Like death through 393 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: blunt instruments, Yeah, pretty much. Um, they had access which 394 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: also could slice you up. And the mace the metal Uh, 395 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 1: it wouldn't then mace the metal ball on the end 396 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: of the chain. That's I think a mace isn't on 397 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: a chain. Morning star is on the chain. If if 398 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: my paladin training serves me, I think the morning Star 399 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: is on the chain. Mace is a pointed ball, just 400 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: stick stick. They thought that. They did think though that. Um, 401 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: although they did use archers in war, the Knights kind 402 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: of a lot of them thought that was a little 403 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: bit coward leadership. Something from a distance. Yeah, because there 404 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: was no hand in hand combat. Yeah, like get down 405 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: here and find me like a man. Exactly one at 406 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: a time, one at a time, and that's about it. 407 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: On the weapons front. Uh. You would get some privileges 408 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: though once you became a knight that not everyone got, 409 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: like owning land and being called sir, and that was it. 410 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: I can you were because you own land, and I 411 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: don't think it was necessarily because you're a night, but 412 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: because you own land, you dispense justice locally, right, right, 413 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: somebody stole someone's dog, you'd be like, I'm gonna cut 414 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: this dog in half and you can both have it. 415 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: And the true owner would be like, no, no, don't 416 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: cut the dog in half. He can have the whole dog, 417 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: and you'd be like, it's your dog. Was justice, right, yeah, 418 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: and then you just beat the other guy's head in 419 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: with the warhammer. You could pack heat and church. You 420 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: were allowed to carry your sword to church. Apparently not 421 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: everyone could do that. No, you would get a seat 422 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: at the high table at feasts with the lords and royals, 423 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: and you could wear your armor in battle because you 424 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: could afford it, right, And you also were expected to 425 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: lead soldiers into battle like an officer today. Um, chuck, 426 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: let's talk about wartime for a second. One of the 427 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: things that shaped the European nights where the crusades, Right, 428 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 1: I don't know a ton about the crusades, but we're 429 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: gonna do probably a full podcast on that at some point, 430 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: I agree, But just just very briefly, the first crusade 431 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: took place in ten ninety six, and it was based 432 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: on a sermon by the Pope in that basically said, 433 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: the Muslims have Jerusalem and we need to go get 434 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: it back. And I think the Europeans are considered to 435 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: have one or been successful in the first crusade. And 436 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: then the Muslims over overran Jerusalem again. Uh, in their 437 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: in their view, took it back because it was an 438 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: equally holy land, right. Um. After that, so for the 439 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: next two years, there were crusades, crusades, crusades, I think 440 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: they were. There were several, yes, right, it's more than two, 441 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: there definitely, And um. Over time, orders of knights developed 442 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: out of these crusades. Uh. And they also this is 443 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 1: this is the time when religiousness was attached to knighthood, 444 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: so sweating an oath to the church, um, being a Christian, 445 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: defender of Christianity, all of this became attached to knighthood 446 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 1: about this time, and It was about this time also, 447 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: not coincidentally, that knighthood became romanticized as well, so that 448 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: they had popular support. Yeah. This they were pious. They 449 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 1: were defending your freedom, exactly, defending God. So the So 450 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: if I think the stirrup, feudalism and the Crusades are 451 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: what really shaped knighthood in in Europe, I would say, 452 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: isn't it crazy how Christians and Muslims all this time, 453 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: all this time had been going at each other. I 454 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: don't think that changed any times. So that's why we 455 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: have to do one on crustates. Yeah, Joshulet's talk about peacetime. 456 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: Okay you want to. Yeah, during peacetime they would have 457 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: tournaments much like you would see at medieval times restaurants 458 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: these days. Have you ever been to one of those? No? 459 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: I haven't either, you know. In fact, the only time. 460 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: The thing I know about him is from the Cable 461 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: Guy movie same here. Actually, yeah, Genny Garfolo is the 462 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: the waitress, the medieval waitress. I don't remember that. She 463 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: was really funny. She had what was her line about 464 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: they asked for a fork or something, and she said 465 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: there were no forks in medieval times, so there are 466 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: no forks at medieval times and so Matthew Broderick had 467 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: to eat with his hands. It sounds familiar, that's because 468 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: you've seen the movie. Uh. During peace time, Josh would 469 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: have these tournaments and it was a big It was 470 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: like the NFL football of the day. It was like 471 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: the NFL and World Cup put together. Imagine how boring 472 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: your life would be during this time. And then all 473 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: of a there's some knights being in the tar out 474 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: of each other in the castle keep. Yeah, that's huge, 475 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: and melee, that's like life changing. You'd probably tell your 476 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: grandchildren about that and they'd be like, shut up, We've 477 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: heard this story eight hundred times. Just go ahead and die. 478 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: I mentioned Malee's two you're an ancient human being. Have 479 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: you ever seen um the Mr Show little clip where 480 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: it's like m questions, questions, questions. Modern man can think 481 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 1: of three questions instead in like a medieval village, so classic. 482 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: I briefly mentioned the word melee, and that was actually 483 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: a real thing. It wasn't just like a free for all. Well, 484 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: it was a free for all, but that's where the 485 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: word came from. The knights would would gather out in 486 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: the middle of the keep, and sort of reenact what 487 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: a real battle would be like. And judge or Marshall 488 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: would say let it begin, and you would start fight 489 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: each other one at a time until that was only 490 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: one of you left standing, right, And that's why it 491 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: was popular blood sport. Sure, and these things were for 492 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: for spectators. You could also make some cash off of 493 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: them if you won, especially in the joust. If you 494 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: want to joust, you got the other guy's armor extremely 495 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: expensive and horse extremely horses armor, perhaps, sure, and um, 496 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: the guy would be like, well, here you go. I'm 497 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: a knight, so you're a knight too, and you just 498 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,919 Speaker 1: beat me in the joust. Here's my stuff. And the 499 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: guy who was taking it would say, you know, I 500 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: have a really good idea. I've got some extra armor 501 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 1: I'm never going to use here unless you are virtually naked. 502 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: Let me just sell it back to you. But that's 503 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: my armor. And it'd be like t s hell, you 504 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: have to buy it back because I'll kill you if 505 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: you don't. But so if you did that a few times, 506 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: you just made a bunch of money in one tournament. 507 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: Unless you're losing. You can also lose your fortune if 508 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: you're a bad jouster, I would be I would try 509 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: to improve my jousting skills. For sure. You could also 510 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: lose your life if you were King Henry the Second 511 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: of France. Yeah he died, but he got a spear 512 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: through the little visor right like right through the eyehole 513 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: and during a joust. Josh, it's hard to say you 514 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: would charge each other on a horse. Obviously you've probably 515 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: seen this before with your joust out. What I did 516 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: not know is what you're trying to do. I always 517 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: thought you were just trying to knock them off. You're 518 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: trying to break your lance on their body. Well, you 519 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: won if you knocked him off, but you they You 520 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: could also win through points by breaking a lance or 521 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: just even making contact. But I'm under the impression you've 522 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: got more points if you broke your lance. Well, and 523 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: you get more points according to which body part you 524 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: break it on, like if you break it on a 525 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: dude's head, I would say that's probably more points. Although 526 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: back then maybe that was in poor formed, maybe that 527 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: was penalty penalized. Who notes, I don't know. This is 528 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: a culture where again the more scial arts are consist 529 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: of beating other people. A death of blunt instruments and 530 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: you were talking about making a ton of money. That 531 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: was a famous night called Ulrich von Liechtenstein. And he's 532 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: the one who Heath Ledger. Heath Ledger's character im Posts 533 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: pretended to be yes yes in that movie. And he's 534 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: a legendary knight who apparently was pretty good at jousting. 535 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: He actually wrote an autobiography. Really. Yeah, it's in the 536 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 1: source in Middle English. Yeah, that must have been a 537 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: fun read. I think it's translated into Late English Old 538 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: English with an eight oldie. Yeah. Emily's parents used to 539 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: live on in one of those neighborhoods where it's all 540 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, the English, Nottingham Force. Their street was Crown Point, 541 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: but we called it Crowny Point because it was obviously 542 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: at ease. And I always call evandale Estates e oldie 543 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: avandala Estates. Did you know there is no word ye 544 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: the y e still pronounced the really, so when I 545 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: say ye old, I'm just did moron. There's no such thing. Yeah, 546 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: but again, Chuck, I think one of the things that 547 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: we've done with this show is proved that if you 548 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: can get your point across, that's correct. Okay, gotcha, let's 549 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: talk about armor. Okay, chain mail, Well, first it had leather, yeah, 550 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: which is barbed from the Romans. Yes, and leather was 551 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: pretty good for like a sword swipe. Yeah, it protected 552 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: against cutting blows, but if you were going to be 553 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: running through, you're in trouble exactly. And the same with chainmail. 554 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: Chainmail was was good and would protect you even more 555 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: from a slice, but still a big joust or a 556 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: or atlance jousting you puncturing you a big sword, your 557 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: your chain mail probably not gonna work out that well either. 558 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: And it says in this article that that was also 559 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: barbed from the Romans. Untrue. Chain mail was developed by 560 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: Celts in Eastern Europe as far back as the third 561 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: time tree. Does it say that in here? No? Okay? Uh? 562 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: And then if you had some serious dough you would 563 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: get the plate armor, which uh, if you've ever seen 564 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: like the nights standing in the corner, not the real Yeah, 565 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: the suit of armor, that's exactly what it is. Um. 566 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: They protected you a lot more from a puncture wound, 567 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: but still wasn't And where you're really vulnerable was in 568 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: the gussets where like in your armpits and the places 569 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: where your joints would meet where you had chainmail underneath. 570 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna ask you. They were chainmail 571 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: and the plated armor. So does that equal what a 572 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: modern day soldier would I read that chainmail and plate 573 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: mail weighed about the same fortounds, So then I guess 574 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: if you were wearing both a be eighty to a 575 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: hundred pounds of armor. Right. And apparently they could move 576 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: around pretty pretty well in these It's not like in 577 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: the funny movies when you see them like on the 578 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: ground writing about because they can't get up. Apparently you 579 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: can move, Okay, not like if you were wearing nothing 580 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: at all, because that's when you can really move when 581 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: you're naked, right, But you could get up off the ground. 582 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: You could mount a horse, but that doesn't do anything 583 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: if you got a gun pointing out you, does it? No, 584 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't. And actually, um, I can't remember the show, 585 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: but it's one of the shows where one ancient warrior 586 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: battles another ancient warrior and it was called Battles of 587 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: the Ancient Warriors something. There's like five of them in there. Yeah, 588 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: there's a few. Um there there was I saw a 589 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: pirate versus Night right, I would say a night would 590 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: win because they had gunpowder. Yes, that's exactly right. If 591 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: that pirate had just had his sword, he would have 592 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: been totally screwed, but he had gunpowder. And this is 593 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: a really good point that um, gunpowder made Night's obsolete. Actually, 594 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,959 Speaker 1: and by the way, in the Pirate versus Night battle 595 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: at the end, the pirate gets the Night down, pulls 596 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: his visor up and shoots him in the faces. It's 597 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: really graphic. Did they reenact these Yeah, yeah, they battle. 598 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: I got to see that. Um. But the the gunpowder 599 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: brought about the end of the military martial knights because 600 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: number one, there was no more like you couldn't make 601 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: armor that was that was going to defend against firearms. 602 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: And that was a huge hallmark of characteristic of a 603 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: night the ability to wear armor and fight on a horse. 604 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 1: Not everybody could do that, And that same specialization became 605 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: obsolete by gunpowder because I can just shoot you with 606 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: the gun. You go ahead and study for fourteen years 607 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: your little sword, play and protect the wine, and I'll 608 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: just shoot you in the face because I'm a pirate. 609 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,839 Speaker 1: So that was the end of knighthood, much the same 610 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: way that firearms brought about the end of the Samurai 611 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: in Japan as well. They were just sort of like 612 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: Asian Nights in a way. Yes, yes, uh, chuck, yes, 613 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 1: you want to talk about a few orders of Nights 614 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: Nights Templar. Do you know how many emails we would 615 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: get if we just hadn't talked about the Knights Templar. 616 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 1: I'm so sick of the Knights Templar. I am too, 617 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: this whole Dan Brown stuff. Yes, there was a whole 618 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: group of Knights, and they were associated with the devil, 619 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: but they actually have like this plundered this treasure. I 620 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 1: hate it, it's so played out. So that's the Knights Templar. 621 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: That was also of the Knights Hospitallers and uh also 622 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: called the Knights of St John of the Hospital, and 623 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: they cared for the sick pilgrims, which is what they 624 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: do today right in the Templar and the Knights of 625 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: St John of the Hospital Um both and Teutonic Knights 626 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: all developed to protect pilgrims on the way to the 627 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: Holy Land during the Crusades. Remember we said the Crusades 628 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: really shaped Nights Um Order of the Garter. Yeah. King 629 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: Edward the Third of England established this and the hundreds, 630 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: and they were an elite group of knights that are 631 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 1: still around today and their royalty and a point by 632 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: the Sovereign of Great Britain. Yes, And originally there were 633 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: um women in the Order of the Garter. Uh. And 634 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: that went away for many centuries, and then in seven 635 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth said we're gonna get the gals back in 636 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: this exactly. And um Order of the Garter weren't the 637 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: only female knights, right, Yeah, what was the other one? 638 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: There was a bunch um from let's see thirty fourteen 639 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: there were women in the Order of the Garter. Um, 640 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: in the Order of the Star of India. There was 641 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: another order of knights, didn't we Oh no, that's the 642 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 1: Order of the Eastern Star. God do we get those confused? Um, well, 643 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 1: they're pretty close the In eighteen sixty one, a woman 644 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 1: with one of the coolest names of all time, nawab 645 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: Begam It sounds like Barbara Walters is pronouncing nawab Begham, 646 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,919 Speaker 1: was inducted in eighteen sixty one. Um Order of the Hatchet. Yes, 647 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: sounded like it sounds like probably the meanest female knights 648 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: to be the Order of the Hatchet. And they protected 649 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: the h They defended the Spanish down with Tortosa from 650 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: the moors. And so they said, you know what, you 651 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: did a pretty good job. We're gonna make you the 652 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: Order of the Hatchet. And unfortunately that original group was 653 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: the only Order of the Hatchet. They didn't survive beyond that. 654 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: And then, um, the Order of St. John's of the 655 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: Hospital also had female knights known as nuns. Warrior nuns, 656 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: warrior nuns. You don't see that in the movies. And 657 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: then there wasn't a lot going on with knights for 658 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,760 Speaker 1: a couple of centuries until a little guy with stubby 659 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: fingers stopped doing cocaine and straightened up his life. A 660 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: man named Elton John was knighted in as we like 661 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,959 Speaker 1: to say here in Atlanta. Sometime Atlanta resident or part 662 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: time Atlanta resident. Boy when he moved here. That just Southerners. Yeah, 663 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 1: he's the toast of the town, wouldn't he still? I'd 664 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: never see him around? I don't know, Uh, Paul McCartney, 665 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: Mick Jagger, Bono? Are we calling him Bono? Is that 666 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: not his name? I thought it was Bono? Is it 667 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 1: one of the two. I'm just kidding. Bono is is 668 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 1: I think what's his real name, Paul Houston. I think 669 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: I think that's right, is it? I think so. I 670 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: don't think they called him imagined him within a real name, Yeah, 671 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: named Paul Bono. Vox was what he was his a 672 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: full name and it means a good voice. Yeah, he's 673 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 1: a little full of himself back when he was a 674 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 1: kid in Ireland. In Ireland. Uh and um, the Edge, 675 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: what's his name, Tommy Edge? He has, he has a 676 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: real name to He wasn't born in the Edge. He 677 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: was married as the Edge though. Yeah, I remember when 678 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: he got married. I don't know if like in the ceremony, 679 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: but in all of the spread it was like the 680 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: Edge and Mrs Edge. I think his name is Dave something. 681 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: But I wonder if those guys ever felt silly now 682 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: it's um Dave Coolier that's his name, is it. I 683 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: wonder if they ever feel silly like sixty called the 684 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: Edge and Edge. I thought of that when I was eighteen. 685 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: It was kind of cool back then. That would be 686 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: the equivalent of those stupid Jersey Shore kids with all 687 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: their dumb names. Yeah, I can't believe that there. I 688 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: can't believe the Jersey Shore can't believe that in two 689 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: thousand ten, The Jersey Shore is one of the most 690 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: popular shows on television. I've never seen it. Just just 691 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: take like a minute and really watch a clip on YouTube. 692 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 1: You'll get everything you need to know. They won't be 693 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: night at anytime soon. Uh? And who else? Well you 694 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: get if you're a female n you're a dame, Yeah, 695 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 1: like Dame Judy Dench. You want to hear some more 696 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: surprising ones? Oh yeah, Steven Spielberg really, Bill Gates, Scottie Pippen, No, no, 697 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: he's he's an honorary member of the Eastern Star Bill Gates. 698 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: Ted Kennedy got one right before he died. Rudy Giuliani 699 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 1: really who? By the way, I learned UM has a 700 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: Blackwater esque security company. Now that's how he's making his money. 701 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 1: They're fighting the drug war down in Mexico. Yeah. Wow, 702 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that, but yeah, Pale Colin Powell really. 703 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 1: Robert Mugabe, the president Zimbabwe whose knighthood was rescinded in 704 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: two thousand eight just being a horrible dictator. Um. And 705 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: then Mussolini was also a night starting in n and 706 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: his rescinded in ninety and then Bob Hope. Yeah, that 707 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 1: makes sense. Honorary night. Wow, so we could actually be nights. 708 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,279 Speaker 1: I thought you had to be uh, you know, not 709 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: from the not American. If you're American, you can be knighted. 710 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 1: But you're not titled sir h So when it wasn't 711 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: sir Bob Hope, No, just Bob, It's yeah Bob, just 712 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: Bob or what he wanted. Anyway, Chuck, this is a 713 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,879 Speaker 1: long one. Do we have any listener mail anything like that? Uh, 714 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: let's do a quick announcement for our trivia event, and 715 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 1: then we have a few Facebook questions. Well, um, I 716 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 1: guess let's get the trivia announcement. Music started mm hmm Chuck. 717 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,879 Speaker 1: On October two thousand ten, eight d there will be 718 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: an event unlike any other except for one that we 719 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: held in New York in June. This is a quick version. 720 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: October six pm, doors open. We finally have a time, dude. Yeah, 721 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: it was likely surmised at five Seasons Brewery. We're having 722 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 1: our trivia event. Doors opened at six West Side. Yes, 723 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,520 Speaker 1: where what Mariette and Howell Mill. It's like right there. 724 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,920 Speaker 1: Um from six six pm. The doors opened seven pm. 725 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,280 Speaker 1: We're starting trivia John Hodgeman, UM, the editor of The Onion, 726 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: Joe Randazzo and the creator of Aquitine Hunger Force day 727 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: willis we'll all be playing with us, playing trip with us. Yeah. Uh, 728 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,919 Speaker 1: that's gonna be awesome. Anybody who wants to come can play. 729 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: I believe um scout mob right, They're going to have 730 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,240 Speaker 1: like some sort of coupon or like half off drink 731 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,080 Speaker 1: something they can get jumped on the bandwagon here and there. 732 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 1: We're promoting each other. And that's going down October the 733 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: night before at the Drunken Unicorn on Punts the Daily 734 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,800 Speaker 1: on Avenue UM the kind of unofficial house band for stuff. 735 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: You should know that Henry Clay People will be playing 736 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,439 Speaker 1: starting at what time it's a it's a later show. UM. 737 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: I would get there by like you know, nine. They 738 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: probably won't gone about eleven, so hopefully John and Joe 739 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: will be there too. Hopefully we can't promise that. Two 740 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: huge days in the Southeast October twelve Tuesday, Henry Clay People, 741 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: October Wednesday, our trip of It Thursday. Who knows, will 742 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,799 Speaker 1: all be in Guadalajara by then. I just saw the 743 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,759 Speaker 1: guys too this past weekend. Cool it came through town, 744 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: not playing a gig, but we cooked out and played 745 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: music and it's all that was awesome. It's good time. 746 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: Did you use your guitar picks? No? I didn't, Actually, 747 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 1: I just kind of watched while they played. Um, how 748 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 1: many kid these can we get to? I don't know. 749 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: I didn't know what you were doing. This. This is 750 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: Facebook stuff. So we have a Facebook page, Facebook dot 751 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 1: com slash stuff. You should know. By the way, Yes, 752 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 1: please like it because that that is good for us 753 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: around here. Yeah, get a penny for every person that 754 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: likes us. I was gonna say. Nicol Daniel s says, 755 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,280 Speaker 1: why doesn't Jerry ever talk? Daniel, Jerry talks all the time. 756 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,359 Speaker 1: You have no idea endlessly, she just doesn't do it. 757 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: On the show, Aaron Hagen says, do you me and 758 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,439 Speaker 1: Emily ever hang out together? Yes, they do, Wayne, Chuck 759 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: and I hang out together, but we have forbade them 760 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 1: from seeing each other unless we don't want them talking 761 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: or coming up with anything to use against this. Right. 762 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,600 Speaker 1: Emily loves Umi? Well, Umi loves Emily really. Yeah, that's good. 763 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 1: Uh like this you would tell me? Actually? She thinks 764 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,440 Speaker 1: I like real jerk. Yeah, you can't stand uh. Katina 765 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: Franklin Sweetie says, what was your best Halloween costume ever? 766 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: I was a Harry Krishna one year and that went 767 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: over pretty well. I like shave my head and had 768 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,760 Speaker 1: the ponytail and little tambourine and literature and everything, real literature. 769 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 1: Did you get your hands on some hardy Christina litterus? No, 770 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: I just printed some mountain What about you? Um? When 771 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: I was in elementary school, my mom made an upside 772 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: down clown costumes. So from my shoulders where the legs 773 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: sticking up in between my legs, my actual legs was 774 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,280 Speaker 1: the head, and then it looked like a clown walking 775 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: on his hands. It was pretty awesome. Actually, that is awesome. Uh. 776 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: Kristin Keeler says, you cover a lot of topics that 777 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 1: are outside your area of expertise. What you personally know 778 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: a lot about? I know a lot about music and 779 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 1: movies and filmmaking and camping and hiking and personal defenses 780 00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: him excellence. What about you? I didn't hear the questions 781 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:11,959 Speaker 1: what do you know a lot about? Personally expertise wise? Oh? Weird? Um? Um? 782 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 1: You know a lot about politics, I guess, but I 783 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: mean how is that? What do you know a lot 784 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: of expertise? What am I an expert in? I guess 785 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:25,879 Speaker 1: throwing stars, throwing stars the Joe Moore says, I saw 786 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: Pavement last night in Central Park. It was truly memorable. Guys. 787 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:34,359 Speaker 1: What is your best concert experience ever? At a top 788 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:40,960 Speaker 1: five Wow, public Enemy and at the Masquerade unbelievable cross 789 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 1: cultural experience. The London Philharmonic did baetom It's night that 790 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 1: Carnegie Hall, the full choir, Oh de joy, unbelievable um 791 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 1: to Lallapaloos experience is the first one of Jane's addiction 792 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,920 Speaker 1: that was immense, and then the second one the Beastie 793 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,920 Speaker 1: plays was just out of control, so good. Yeah, Bonnie 794 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,399 Speaker 1: Prince Billy last year, which I know you hate and 795 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 1: leave on helm I sa'll leave on Helming last year 796 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 1: and I was just He's the was the drummer and 797 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 1: part time singer for the band my favorite group, Oh 798 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 1: the band, the band? Yeah? I got you? What about you? 799 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: What's your favorite stage show I ever saw in my 800 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: entire life? Was Peter Gabriel in the I guess early 801 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: nineties that would have been good. Um, I guess all 802 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,359 Speaker 1: around best show I ever saw would have been alternate 803 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,600 Speaker 1: down in Florida when I was a little brave kid. 804 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 1: And then, let's see, there has to be at least 805 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,400 Speaker 1: one other. Did you have a pacifier? Yes, they had 806 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,560 Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse on it. Yeah. Yeah. I was definitely one 807 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,319 Speaker 1: of those grave kids. I was so glad. I'm just 808 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 1: old enough to have been too old for the rave culture. Yeah. Yeah, 809 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,920 Speaker 1: you just saw the big leg jeans and the past 810 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,320 Speaker 1: fires and I just didn't get it. Oh and probably 811 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,240 Speaker 1: my first concert ever, Haul of Notes, with Until Tuesday 812 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 1: opening form Poor Till Tuesday got Buddolf stage. Really yeah. Um, 813 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,720 Speaker 1: But Hall of Notes came out and they were backed 814 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 1: by g Smith and started out band including the guy 815 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 1: who wears like the floor length mink coats and plays 816 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,320 Speaker 1: the sacks like they were the band, and they played everything. 817 00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,319 Speaker 1: So that was a good one too. I was like, hey, 818 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,799 Speaker 1: I like concerts. I'm gonna start going to him. Yeah. 819 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,400 Speaker 1: Amy Man is still terrific. Sure, and she's buddies with 820 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: Paul Tompkins. I did not know, I believe, so awesome 821 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: part of the whole Largo scene. Is there anything else 822 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: You've got anything else? Yeah? All right, that's it. That's it. 823 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,720 Speaker 1: If you want to ask us a question, Chuck asks 824 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: for them intermittently on Facebook. That's uh, Facebook dot com 825 00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,359 Speaker 1: slash stuff you should Know, Or you can just send 826 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: us a plain old fashioned email at stuff podcast at 827 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:52,440 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com. For more on this and 828 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 1: thousands of other topics. 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