1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: That is such a key to success, because no career 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: is linear, and I have so many stories to prove that, 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: even though I was with one firm for thirty three years. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: But it's not linear, it's not perfect. And the big 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: lesson is no one's thinking about your career as much 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: as you are. Back in the land of douche baggery, 7 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: I want to talk about where food has gone, what 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: it has become, and how this conversation started was because Sarah, 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: who works with me, she also has never seen like 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: a table side caesar. She thinks that caesar is like 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: what you get at like the olive garden or Applebee's, 12 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: Like that's that like creamy white dressing. And I was 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: talking about how back in my day when I had 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: covered wagons, the caesar was like a special food. It 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: wasn't something that they had at every restaurant. It was 16 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: table side. It came into wooden bowl and they were 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: like mush anchovies in the side with dijon, mustard, Worcester sheer, lemon, parmesan, garlic, salt, pepper, 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: olive oil and like an amazing croutons and it just 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: came all zesty and more clear and coated versus that 20 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: like creamy garbage you get in like a packet at Wendy's. 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: So I love Wendy's. I'd like to get a spokesperson 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: deal from them. So sorry, Wendy's, I don't know if 23 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: he's sells caesar dressing, So sorry for fuck pissing you off. 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: But anyway, I digress as usual. So we started talking 25 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: about food in the iteration and how now like the 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: caesar is such a big deal, And then that brought 27 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: me to realize that the Kale Caesar, the Kale Caesar 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: was like Madonna in its day, and Kale itself was 29 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: like Madonna. And I always say I want to meet 30 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: Kale's publicists because also back in my day, Kale was 31 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: like this green, curly garbage that came next to like 32 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: a sweaty hot orange next to your eggs at Denny's, 33 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: like just some piece of like some cousin of fucking 34 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: old school curly parsley. Kale wasn't like a rock star 35 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: with a starring roll. Kale wasn't something that like people 36 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: massaged in kitchens in Provence to bring out a salad 37 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: that was tender, leafy green's to the taste, and Kale 38 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: didn't come in all iterations. Tale didn't come in like 39 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: baby kale and wild kale and and like kale chips 40 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: and shredded kale, and you know, braised kale, sauteid kale. 41 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: Kale was not what it is. So that that brought 42 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: me to think about Kale's friends and other people that 43 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: like other celebrity vegetables that came up, because when I 44 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: was growing up, there was no rogala, no the caesar salad, 45 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: or you had iceberg like a wedge, or just like 46 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: that house garden salad with red wine vinegar, like it 47 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: was like shredded carrots on that iceberg, chopped up garbage 48 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: and it was like a red wine vinegar and there 49 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: is something good about it. Came in that little thin 50 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: wood bowl also. But then Mesklin was the fucking biggest 51 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: deal ever. Messalind came out, Balsamic vinagrette came out together. 52 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: They came out as like a couple and it was 53 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: like Marilyn Monroe and Joe DiMaggio, so everybody was doing that. 54 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: I was never ultimately a big fan because that Messlin 55 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: bag that then came in bags got soggy, super fessed, 56 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: So I was not a big fan um and even 57 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: Romayne on its own wasn't a big deal. And when 58 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: we were growing up, like Romayne later came in its own, 59 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: probably around the same time as as Mesklin. Later, Messland's 60 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: agent brought in baby spinach. When I was growing up, 61 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: we had spinach, bags of unwieldy spinach. You could wash it, 62 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: it would be sandy. You would, you would, you would, 63 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: you would sautee it, you would see them up. But 64 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: like spinach didn't have little lovely, delightful little leaves that 65 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: you could make in your own little salad. It didn't 66 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: have baby spinach, didn't even have Maxi spinach. You just 67 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: had spinach. And now it's baby kale whatever. So that 68 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: was spinach. And then a rogola came in and they 69 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: call it rocket in London. That was the first time 70 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: I had it was in London, because I think it 71 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: was there before, which is weird because London used to 72 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: not even have vegetables. But anyway, a rugela became a 73 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: really fucking big deal in the cold salad category. In 74 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: the hot sides category, it always used to be broccoli 75 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: and stage spinach and asparagus. Then in the modern day, 76 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: in my day, Broccoli Rob was a big fucking coming 77 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: up star, and Broccoli Rob still is. You know, it's 78 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: a success story, but it's not what it used to be. 79 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: So then I don't know it was it five years 80 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: ago somebody in a boardroom threw kale up in the 81 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: fucking at the ceiling and just said, let's try to 82 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: make kale popular. Some some genius the Kale Society, and 83 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: Kale came in with a fucking vengeance. Okay, Kale came 84 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: in with shredded kale, chips, Kale, caesar massage, Kale, sauteg kale, braise, kale, 85 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: kale everything kale was even in Burger's. Kale was like 86 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: chopped up with a paired with its other friend butternut 87 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: squash and some wild rice. And then they started throwing 88 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: cranberries and walnut and almonds into salads. So that was 89 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: kale then came back in the day. Broccoli Rob was 90 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: when brown rice became popular. White rice used to be 91 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: the way he did rice. Brown rice then became like 92 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: it has to be brown rice. It has to be 93 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: brown rice. You can't even white pasta. It has to 94 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: be a whole wheat pasta that has to be like 95 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: not a white white it can't be a white grain. 96 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: And brown rice now is a fucking loser. Keen Wa 97 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: came in hot the protein grain. Keene Wa came in 98 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: was like, move over, Kale, We're gonna hang out with you. 99 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna hang in the same posse were like Taylor 100 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: Swift and gidd We're gonna hang out together. Kale and 101 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: keen Wa became best friends major Instagram following huge deal 102 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: and as of more recently, Brussels sprouts Brussel fucking spreads. 103 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: When I was growing up, Brussels sprouts was child abuse. 104 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: Brussel sprouts and cauliflower, which is another popular one, it 105 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: was abuse. It was like Lima beans, which are waiting 106 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: to make their debut, but Brussels sprouts. Now pair them 107 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: with bacon, shred them in a salad, add them with 108 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: with with blue cheese and and and pecans and walnuts, 109 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: and like make fry them Asian restaurants make them fucking 110 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: so cool. Brussel spouts are rock stars. And then my 111 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: final vetched but that I'd like to talk about, which 112 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: really has a very confused identity, cauliflower was literally, I 113 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: mean raw cauliflower was actually emotional and psychological and physical abuse. 114 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: When I was growing up, it was cauliflower. It's like 115 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: if fart was a vegetable, that was what cauliflower was. 116 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, cauliflower is parade as mashed potatoes. 117 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,679 Speaker 1: It is food processed and now we're pretending that it's rice. 118 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: It comes in tats, it comes in in yoki, it 119 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: comes in um hash browns, like they make cauliflower to 120 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: hash browns and they try to make it into steak. 121 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: I've been to a restaurant. They say, cauliflower steak. Fuck off. Okay, 122 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: it's not even steaks, long distant cousin that lives in 123 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: another universe, like steak and cauliflower have nothing in common. 124 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: If you rub steak all over cauliflower, it still has 125 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: nothing to do with steak. It is a big piece 126 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: of rilled cauliflower. It's fucking cauliflower. Okay. It is because 127 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: you could cut it with a fork and a knife. 128 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: I could probably cut dogship with a fork and knife too. 129 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: It's not sake, okay, And cauliflower rice is not rice. 130 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: Zucchini noodles are not Zucchi is not noodle. It's not 131 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: pasta it's long shreds of yellow or green vegetables drowned 132 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: in sauce that that doesn't even look like pasta. Taking 133 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: long wavy ribbon noodles and mushing ricotta cheese in between 134 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: them does not make that lasagna. So the fucking vegetable 135 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: crisis is real. Okay, that is a relief effort in 136 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: and of itself. If lima beans come in next, or 137 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: succotash or okra or some other bullshit vegetable that is shit, 138 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: then you'll know that Kale has had its day. But 139 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: I literally think every time I talk about these vegetables 140 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: that their publicists are gonna call me and then I'm 141 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: gonna be finished, that my career is over because I 142 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: fucked with Kale, and I just don't think you can now. 143 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: I think Kao's got too much power. It's too much. 144 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: But it's like the kalo dash i aans. I can't. 145 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: You can't funk with it because it's just got an 146 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: army and it's it's here. It's just here to stay, alright. 147 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: My guest today is Kathy Angelbert, the Commissioner of the 148 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: w n b A and formerly the first female CEO 149 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:30,239 Speaker 1: of Deloitte well, she's very interesting. We talked about being 150 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: a woman in a corporate atmosphere, something many of you 151 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: would be interested in. H We talked about how she 152 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: made it to the top of her field and why 153 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: sports are so important to young women and girls. I 154 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this conversation. Hi, Kathy, how are you? 155 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: I'm doing greed. How about yourself? I'm good? Where are 156 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: you right now? I'm in Bradenton, Florida at IMG Academy 157 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: and the w n B A what we call the 158 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: players have affectionately called the Bubble, the w n B 159 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: A bubble. Oh that's so funny. So do you travel 160 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: an incredible amount before the pandemic? Gess, incredible, both in 161 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 1: my prior job and with the w because obviously we 162 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: have twelve different cities, twelve teams. So yeah, but I 163 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,479 Speaker 1: guess that's been the only good thing about the pandemic 164 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: is less less travel we all feel, I know, but 165 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: do you miss that Some people like the travel, like 166 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: it just gives them a structure, It's a program. They 167 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: leave their house for a minute and like they just 168 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: get to collect themselves even though they're working, they're on 169 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: their own And how does it affect your family. I 170 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: don't miss it at all because I did so much 171 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: of it at Deloitte. I mean I was on the 172 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: road four or five days a week for essentially decades, 173 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: So like really enjoying not having to be on the 174 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: road and being with my kids. And my daughter just 175 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: moved back home. She's a one year out college. So yeah, 176 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: so I know, I I don't miss the travel at all. Well, 177 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: this podcast, just to let you know, is about visionaries, 178 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: game changers, billionaires, people who started from the bottom now 179 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: they're here, people who took circutest routes to get to 180 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: where they are, non traditional business because I'm finding through 181 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: speaking to these amazing, interesting people that are giving me 182 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: an hour of their day and they do not have 183 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: an hour to give, but during that hour, you know, 184 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: it's all meat, and the people listening are getting just 185 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: different tenants and ways of thinking and ways of that 186 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: you live and the decisions that you make so they 187 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: can take it away into their different lives and jobs. 188 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: And so you know, do you feel like that's you know, 189 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: in the beginning, that's just paying your dues, just wherever 190 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: they need you to go, whatever you need to do. 191 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: That that's paying your dues, and then there's a point 192 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: where you really just don't have to do that anymore 193 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: because that's part of paying your dues. Yeah, I mean, 194 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: I think it's all about what business and what industry 195 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: you're in, and whether you believe in relationship building face 196 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: to face and therefore you've got to get on the 197 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: road or not. And I think it's varied over my 198 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: career as I you know, client the so called ladder, 199 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: but you know as to how much travel I had 200 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: to do or how I wanted to adjust it because 201 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: of having two children. So there's a lot to unpack 202 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: even in that, Yeah, exactly. But the whole that's a 203 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: that's a whole topic that will probably end up getting 204 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: into somehow later. You were the first female CEO at 205 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: a big four firm. What was it like getting that job? 206 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: Did you think you weren't going to get it? Did 207 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: you think a man was going to get it? Were you? 208 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: Did you see it? Did you look at the prize 209 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: and look at the chess chess board and say I'm 210 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: going for that job? Like? What did that mean? Yeah? Well, 211 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: at that time I had been with the firm for 212 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: twenty seven years, never aspired to be the CEO. Never 213 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: thought I would be a CEO, uh, And I don't 214 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: think I was. I think I was a bit of 215 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, underdog, i'll call it because we have an 216 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: election every four years, and um, I kind of had 217 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: just risen into leadership right before that election where I 218 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: ultimately did get elected. You have to get it's a 219 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: private partnership, so you have to get elected by the partners. 220 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: And I got a call and never forget, I was 221 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: actually at the fort the most powerful women's conference in California, 222 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: and I got a call from someone on our board 223 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: of directors who said, you know, we want you to 224 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: interview for the CEO position. And I was like me, 225 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: like really, because I had been kind of a new 226 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: entrant into the leadership, like the top leadership ranks. And 227 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: I said two things. I said, Well, I don't want 228 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: to just do it because you know, a female and 229 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: I don't you know, do I have support? And second, 230 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: do I have support more broadly in the firm, because 231 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: I had risen up in our in our audit practice, 232 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: but we had, you know, a huge firm of audit 233 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: tax and consulting them, and they said, you have support 234 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: and we want you to do it so like literally 235 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: within a month, I had to prepare a vision and 236 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: I had to prepare a whole platform that I would 237 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: then present to the partners ultimately if I got nominated 238 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: to be elected. And but no, did I see it coming. No, 239 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: did I ever aspired to it? No? I always say, um, 240 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: you know, I aspired to lead, not to to a 241 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: boxer typele like CEO. But you know it worked out, 242 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: and um I was. I was really proud to take 243 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: on that role at a time where you know, culture 244 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: change which was needed, and providing a role model for 245 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: not just women but men and women to aspire just 246 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: something higher. What did you mean by didn't want the 247 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: job because I was a woman? Well, I didn't want 248 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: to interview for it if they just wanted to say, oh, 249 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: we interviewed a woman, right, Like so you were thinking 250 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: like that, Yeah, there were these other male candidates who 251 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: were well known in leadership positions much longer than I 252 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: had been, and I wanted to make sure you know, 253 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: I was a viable candidate. That that's you was I 254 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: really viable candidate? Right? Yeah? That's interesting. So you didn't 255 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: want it to be like they're just checking the box 256 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: and I wonder how much that's actually happening versus people 257 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: really you know, feeling that that the person is right 258 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: for the job. And in your case, it obviously sounds 259 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: like you were right. And the reason I mentioned all 260 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: this is because in my career I never thought about 261 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: men and women. Now you were you were in a 262 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: seriously intensely corporate environment for years, so you understand how 263 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: to play that game, how to be you know, be corporate, 264 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: but also you have to be a maverick because you 265 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: have to navigate the hundreds of thousands of people that 266 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: you're working around and such a serious, intense important company. 267 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: But um, I never thought about who's a man who's 268 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: a woman. I always just acted like, just be the best, 269 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: Like just go be the best. But then you end 270 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: up being better than the men, and and the cream 271 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: rises to the top. And so not until after I 272 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: was successful, people have tried to sort of create this 273 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: narrative to me about you know, being a woman versus 274 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: being a man, And I had to retroactively think about 275 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: the fact that I broke into the liquor business in 276 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: a major way, which is a all boys club marketed 277 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: to men, you know, sold by men, run by men. 278 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: But with our advantages to being a woman. Well, I 279 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: take you back to when I was about seven years 280 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: into my career. We had a CEO at the time, 281 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: male who had two daughters, and not that his daughters 282 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: were going to work for the firm, but they were 283 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: graduating from college. And he was kind of looking at 284 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: this data of women who had risen to leadership roles 285 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: and and pretty pathetic data, I might add, and said, um, 286 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: you know, there's something wrong here. We've got to look 287 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: at something. So he was kind of well before his 288 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: time back at ninety three and launched this thing called 289 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: the Initiative for the Advancement and Retention of Women, because 290 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: we actually weren't doing bad advancing, it was retaining women 291 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: when they get to critical junctures and there you know, 292 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: the life cycle of them as our employees that they 293 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: were leaving at much higher rates than men were their 294 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: male counterparts. First, did you mean like women are get 295 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: having babies or they're getting married and they wanted this 296 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: powerful job, but then they decided to switch out and 297 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: get married and do that you know, traditional life. Yeah, exactly. 298 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: And then he wanted the data like are they leaving 299 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: for other jobs? Are they leaving to take care of 300 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: their families. Isn't the family thing when you're in your 301 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: young thirties, because that's when you start to rise in 302 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: any organization. You know, we're a we were affirmed at 303 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: deloitt of of what we called lifers. So you know, 304 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: you rise and then you get into your thirties and 305 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: there's I'll be a point. Certainly I did actually resigned 306 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: from the firm when I was pregnant with my first 307 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: child because I didn't know whether I could do it 308 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: all and and and do the role that that I 309 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: was in at the time. Um and then you know, 310 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: quickly realized that, you know, with some good mentoring and sponsorship, 311 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: that that wasn't the right move for me at the time. 312 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: But you know, so everybody goes through those in the 313 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: their there so you know what was happening when women 314 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: get to their mid thirties when they would be admitted 315 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: to the partnership and then rise into the leadership ranks, 316 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: that that was different at that time. So that's ninety 317 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: three right now, there's actually no retention gap between men 318 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: and women at the firm, and but back then there 319 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: was a huge retention gap. So you know, that was 320 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: kind of and I happened to have transferred from I 321 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: actually grew up in Philadelphia or Philadelphia Office up to 322 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: our what we called our national office where the CEO 323 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: resided during that time. So I went in mid nine. 324 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: So when it came around in ninety three and the 325 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: CEO was going to launch this, I got tacked helped 326 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: think through it. But I think my advantage was timing 327 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: of being in that national office position at the time, 328 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: being kind of in where leadership was being built, and 329 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: I was only what they call a manager at the time. 330 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't a partner yet. I came then back out 331 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: to the New York area and became a partner a 332 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: few years later. Well, you know what, I think, I'm 333 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: a very much. I'm a realist. Like we have all 334 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 1: these fantasies about how everything should be, but in order 335 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: to get there, I like to think about the real 336 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 1: and the truth. So I I have a serious business. 337 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: I have many many hats that I wear. I'm a mom. 338 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: I'm a single mom. And you know, when I used 339 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 1: to go to a photo shoot, I would bring her 340 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: with me on my lap. And you know, because I'm 341 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: me and I have people around me and it's non 342 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: traditional and I can do that. I can bring my 343 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: daughter and then like you know, ask them to give 344 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: me food to go, so I can rush home to 345 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: be with her, and I always want to be with her. 346 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: That's not really totally possible in the corporate world. It's 347 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: not appropriate to bring your kid to work. And having 348 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: daycare there is great, but it's just it's not you know, 349 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: we were trying to make it that everybody's the same. 350 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: If we understand the differences between men and women, it's 351 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: easier to get those things accomplished because women and men 352 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: are different in many ways, not only biologically. There's science 353 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: backs up the fact that, you know, women operate from 354 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: a more emotional space in many in many cases, I mean, 355 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: men think differently in some cases. And if that's sort 356 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: of embraced and thought about, then you can approach it. 357 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: And now if that's sexist, it may be. But I 358 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: I feel that women and men are not exactly the 359 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: same and the things they experience in their bodies, in 360 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 1: you know, the ways they maybe operate in their lives, 361 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,959 Speaker 1: and so I think that's the thing. It's that granular 362 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: in between that's good to talk about. So then everything 363 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: can be equal at work because everybody brings something to 364 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: the table. When women bring just as much, if not more, 365 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: to the table as men. But if you put everybody 366 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: in the same box, seeming like everybody's going to be 367 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: the same way and contribute the same things, that's when 368 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: I think we get jammed up. And so I think 369 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: it's more like understanding who pee well are I'm able 370 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: to run a major business and not have a nanny 371 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: and still be like a very present mother, But I 372 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: do it in my own way. The way it is 373 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,719 Speaker 1: traditionally is a man is paying a check, a man 374 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 1: is opening a door, and a man goes to work 375 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: and is not as involved as in a kid's life. 376 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: And I think that's just shifting culturally everywhere, even with 377 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: men being with their kids more divorced. Men used to 378 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: be not get fifty fifty in custody and now it's 379 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: really unless there's some problem. So I think it's shifting 380 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: for both sexes. I think one of the other things 381 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: maybe I can add from my experience, So maybe you 382 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: go back to the formative years, and um, I grew 383 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: up in a really big family. I was one of 384 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: eight kids, and I had five brothers. My dad worked 385 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: three jobs to put all eight of us through college. 386 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: My mom worked also while raising us at a pediatrician 387 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: office that literally was right next door, which is why 388 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: she could do both. And she did not go to college. 389 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: But she's the smartest person I know. And and you know, 390 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: if you think of growing up alongside brothers, my mom 391 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: used to say, you can do anything the boys can 392 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: do because you're growing up alongside five of them. And 393 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: I actually I think I had the an advantage there 394 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: because I carried that into my professional life. Like think 395 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: about the valuable lessons in a big family, like collaboration 396 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: read sibling rivalry and how to get along or competitiveness 397 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: read My sister and I used to hide food in 398 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: our rooms because if we didn't, our brothers would eat 399 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: at all. And we also competed for our parents time 400 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: or even like inclusion. I had three older brothers, they 401 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: always included me as a fourth in all kinds of sports, basketball, 402 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: with football, soccer, street hockey. Um, although they put me 403 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: in gold and I actually really hurt to play street 404 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: hockey as a young girl. I think I had a 405 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: huge advantage just from where I started. And and you know, 406 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: my dad working three jobs and like seeing that hard 407 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: work and dedication and and so Yeah, having two kids 408 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: trying to balance a big job like CEO delete, Yeah 409 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: that was easy compared to what I all my parents 410 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: trying to do with eight kids. Yeah, you had your 411 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: own little corporation at your house. You knew about different 412 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: dynamics and how to navigate and bob and weave, and 413 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: that is a great point. So you said that your 414 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: confidence started in sports. Um so is it the structure 415 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: and the discipline? Is that the teamwork? Because and now 416 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: you work in sports, which which which we're obviously gonna 417 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: get into. But do you suggest all parents have their 418 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: kids in sports in some way because some kids feel 419 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: intimidated and what if they're not good enough and then 420 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: they're gonna be made fun of? Like how do you 421 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: advise people about what's how sports should play in their lives? Yeah? 422 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: I think you know. Obviously sports has had a major 423 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: impact on my life. Never thought I'd end up as 424 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: the commissioner of Major Sports League, but having played three 425 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: sports in high school to sports in college, actually played 426 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: across in addition to basketball. Um I was a huge 427 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: benef fishery of Title nine back in the seventies. UM 428 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,400 Speaker 1: to allow women's sports and women's sports broadly to compete. 429 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: Like when I grew up, there was no girls soccer. 430 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: I came a little bit after me, but we had 431 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: some of the other traditional sports like basketball and volleyball, 432 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: and actually played tennis in high school. So and I 433 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: was like, I was a point guard in basketball, and 434 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: a point guard runs the offense but doesn't always get 435 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: the glory. So kind of playing helped me enormously think 436 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: through Like now that I look back, I go, Okay, 437 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: a point guard runs the offense. That's essentially a CEO 438 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: of running the company. Um. Now they do sometimes get 439 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: the glory or the fall, but um, but you know, 440 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: I just think for parents, obviously, sports was enormously helpful 441 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: to shape my leadership skills, you know, because I think 442 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: especially at a firm like the LID a hundred thousand people, 443 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: very complex businesses and in different industries. Um, you know, 444 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: it really helped me. And and there's no doubt for 445 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: and that the data is very clear here. Young girls 446 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: who play sports have more confidence and do better in 447 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, in school and and ultimately after school. But 448 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean everyone has to play sports. Everyone needs 449 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: to find something they're passionate about that they think they're 450 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: good at but have condence drive confidence from it. So 451 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: I think it just happens to be. Sports gives you 452 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: a lot of confidence, uh, and it also gives you 453 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: It gives you a lot of resilience because you lose 454 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: in sports. You don't always win, and you you learn 455 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: to lose. And you know, although I know there's this 456 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: theory now that everyone gets a trophy just for playing, 457 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: I still think, you know, again, you know, it's all 458 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: about coaching and and things like that. But yeah, and 459 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: the teamwork and teaming and you know, again, I go 460 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: back to that work collaboration. I mean the value of 461 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: teamwork that I got because I was a point guard 462 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: running the offense. You know, it was enormously helpful. Um, 463 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not sure that I would have 464 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: been a successful if I didn't have this kind of 465 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: grounding in sport, The development young girls, in the advancement 466 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: of women as leaders in science society, because when I 467 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: look at the w NBA players and how diverse they are, 468 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: diverse women, you know, I actually that's the next generation 469 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: of leaders right there, this diverse group of women dragging 470 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: confidence leading in their craft and one of the reasons 471 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: I took the job as the commissioner the w n 472 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: b A was, you know, to help see what they 473 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: would do post their basketball career, because they don't play forever. 474 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: You know. It's great that there are shows like Shark 475 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: Tank that I've been on, and it's great that everybody 476 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: wants to be a CEO and you know, be in 477 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: their garage and be a billionaire at the time of eighteen. 478 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: But I just think it's important for younger people to 479 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: explore many different areas because you'll find your way in 480 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: I never knew that I'd be doing what I'm doing, 481 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: but it was only because I was open to so 482 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,479 Speaker 1: many things and took every interesting opportunity and pieced it together. 483 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: I was a nanny for Paris and Nicki Hilton. Now 484 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: I had Paris on this podcast. I used to work 485 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: for Lauren Michaels, and you know, just so many other 486 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: interesting people that have come now around in my life. Now, 487 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 1: that's why I say, like, you have to keep your 488 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: eyes open. You have just be on the road and 489 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: you may hit a roadblock, but you got to just 490 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: be driving forward and see where the opportunities lie. So 491 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: that's another thread that you're talking about something totally different 492 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: in a completely corporate environment and within your family, which 493 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: sounded like it was a full scale operation. But we 494 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: both have this similarity and that you just decided to 495 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: use your environment to learn whatever you could in different departments. 496 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: And I've done the same thing but in a much 497 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: more freestyle way. Absolutely, I think that's a really important 498 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: way to say it. You have to do what's right 499 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: for you, but I will stress you need mentors along 500 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: the way. So quick story about you know, when I 501 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: was pregnant with my second child, um in two thousand 502 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: of the firm approached me and asked me to move 503 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,479 Speaker 1: to a Midwestern city nice for a great client at 504 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: the time, And but they didn't know I was pregnant yet. 505 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: And I'm sitting here saying, well, I live in New 506 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: Jersey and I kind of have this special station with 507 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: life sciences and pharma companies, and here's he's a great 508 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: place for that. And and so you know, they came 509 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: to me and said, you know, we want you to move. 510 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: And so I actually saw the advice of a mentor 511 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: who said to me, you can actually say no to 512 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: this big client relocation, but you have to have a 513 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: yes behind it to something else that can solve a 514 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: problem for this person, because you're just gonna you're creating 515 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: a problem for them because you're saying no, So find 516 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: something to help them. So I had my eye on 517 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: another client literally like two miles from my house, and 518 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: I could envision juggling two kids with the shortcommitte mute 519 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: and running back and forth feeding the baby. And and 520 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: it was a client in my industry expertise which I 521 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: had built. And when I went to this leader and 522 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I don't want to do the 523 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: Midwestern move, but I had an idea of the leader 524 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: paused and said, never forget this. We never would have 525 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: thought of you for that client. And in my mind, 526 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: I was thinking, that's the only client I'm thinking about 527 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: for me. So the lesson here is like, and I 528 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: tell us all its time, like, no one's thinking about 529 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: your career as much as you are, right and so 530 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: you have to you have to speak up, you have 531 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: to raise your hand, and especially when you work with 532 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: a firm like to, like that's so multidimensional. There's so 533 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 1: many things you can do or like you where you 534 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: just follow your passion and and you find you know, 535 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: a freestyle way to to get into business. You have 536 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: to That is such a key to success because no 537 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: career is linear and I have so many stories to 538 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: prove that, even though I was with one term for 539 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: thirty three years. But it's not linear, it not perfect. 540 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: And the big lesson is no one's thinking about your 541 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: career as much as you are, not even close and 542 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: you both but you and I are both saying the 543 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: same thing. My mantra is finally, yes, like you just 544 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: figured it out. You just were you figured it out. 545 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: You came through the back door, you open the window, 546 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: you just like navigated it in your mind. So it 547 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: was saying the same thing. And we've could not have 548 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: more different careers. Um, which is interesting. Um do you 549 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: what do you do? You? So? What percentage business are you? 550 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 1: And what percentage fun? And I mean really fun, like 551 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: do you get a little wild and have too many 552 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: cocktails and laugh and feel stupid? And you know what 553 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: percentage business and fun are you? Because you're serious, serious 554 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 1: broad Yeah, So um, I definitely was more fun in 555 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: my younger life. But you know, I, you know, I 556 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: am definitely a small moment of recovery person. I actually, um, 557 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: you know acronymed Di Smores when I was at Deloit, 558 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: so and I find time to still, you know, play sports. 559 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: I find time to play golf, on golfer, tennis, and 560 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: really like family first again, being one of eight kids, 561 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,239 Speaker 1: were still all really close. My sister and I are 562 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: thirteen months apart, and she and I um talk every day. 563 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 1: She's a nurse, by the way, she's does COVID testing 564 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: in state of Pennsylvania, and she's my hero throughout this 565 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: whole pandemic. You know, it's a really hard time for 566 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: everybody mentally, uh and obviously many physically and and you know, 567 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: so it's just something where it's hard to have a 568 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: ton of fun. Right now, my daughter and I are 569 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: planning a trip out out to California hopefully and do 570 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: some some fun things. But yeah, this year, you think about, 571 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: has not that much fun, has not been fun, and 572 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: and has tipped a lot towards business. But that's what 573 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: you do in a crisis. And I think the companies 574 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: and the people and the leaders and the personalities who 575 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: lead companies through crises. You know, at the time, those 576 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: decisions you make and the risks you take during a 577 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: crisis like we've all had this year are going to 578 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: either serve you really well or if you were paralyzed 579 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,239 Speaker 1: by fear of taking those risks. Um, it's really going 580 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: to hurt your business when we come out on the 581 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: other side, it is. And I'm homebody, temper cent lunatic, 582 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: so I hear what you're saying about like just sort 583 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: of family and work and taken it seriously and it's 584 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: what you love to do. I also though, based on 585 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: what you were just talking about about the pandemic and 586 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: business is being hurt, I think, and I don't know 587 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: if I just think it's small businesses and small entrepreneurs, 588 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: like I speak to those people a lot. I think 589 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: there's been it's been the most horrible time with job 590 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: loss and with obviously death and just uncertainty. But I 591 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: think in stillness there's like not literal meditation, but in 592 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: stillness there's meditation and time to like to plant seeds 593 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: and to plot and to figure out how you're gonna grow. 594 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: And some people have chosen to take this time to 595 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: really not get hysterical and really you know, do their 596 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: game plan or for you it's like, you know, what 597 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: are the plays for your players? And I think in 598 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: the next couple of years, we're going to have an incredible, flourishing, 599 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: thriving business. So I think it's gonna be an interesting 600 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: time for re rebirth and regrowth in business. I do. Yeah, No, 601 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: I agree with that, Bethany. It's a really good point. 602 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: And m A crisis tends to accelerate or deepen issues 603 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: that existed before the crisis, But it's also a huge 604 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: opportunity to fix problems and you can use that. You 605 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: can blame it all on the crisis that but now 606 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: you get to go fix them. You know, the blames 607 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: something that happened before. So you know what a perfect 608 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: example of what we're working really hard on during this crisis, 609 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: even though you know we're trying to keep everyone healthy 610 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: and safe. Number one is you know, as you think 611 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: about women's sports, um, you know, I came into this 612 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: world just a year ago, and UM didn't know a 613 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: lot about what was going on in women's sports. Was 614 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: so busy, you know, balancing motherhood and being you know, 615 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: of being a CEO and having a career. I came 616 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: in and the first thing I learned was that less 617 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: than five of all media coverage of sports covers women. 618 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: And then I learned less than one percent of all 619 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: corporate sponsorship dollars that go to sports go to women's sports. So, um, 620 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: I think, I think about that like huge hill. We 621 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: have to climb our mountain, quite frankly, and so as 622 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: I thought about that as I came in, UM, number 623 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: one thing, you know, let me go try to do 624 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: some small things of symbolic value to build trust with 625 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: the players. Let's get a collective bargaining meant done. But 626 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: let's also at the same time work and building relationships 627 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: and using you know, quite frankly, some of my relationships 628 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: from my prior life to you know, get companies to 629 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: join women's sports, to really put their money where their 630 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: mouth is around supporting diversity and inclusion. And we launched 631 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: something you know called w NBA change Makers coming off 632 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: the collective Bargaining agreement. Because women's sports it's really hard. 633 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: It's hard, it's hard to break them. It's hard to 634 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: move that, you know, I mean, being a numbers person, 635 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, I said, how big is that denominator? Because 636 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: if we want to move the one percent or the 637 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: five percent to ten percent, how hard will this be? Well, 638 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: the denominators enormous because men's sports is enormous. So but 639 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: we still, um, you know, really are are proud that 640 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: we've been able to sign our first three w NBA 641 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: change makers, and but we need more companies to step 642 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: up and and support these these diverse women, these elite women, 643 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: all college graduates, really smart, really good at their craft 644 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: and um and but it's an interesting model in the 645 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: difference between how men and women are valued. And ESPN 646 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: doubled the amount of games they covered for the w 647 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: n b A this year and they're a great partner. 648 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: And CBS Sports Network and CBS put are the first 649 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: ever w n b A game on the CBS network. 650 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: And I think we have the opportunity in the w 651 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: n b A because we will be going into our 652 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: twenty fifth season next year, the only women's professional league 653 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, survive and hopefully thrive. Well, 654 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: it's incredible where you've come from. It's incredible the mark 655 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: you've made if you're an incredible role model from your 656 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: family and your kids, and it sounds like you've only 657 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: just begun. So just the final thing is what is 658 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: your what mantra do you live by or do you 659 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: if you have more than one? I often say come 660 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: from a place of yes, just figure it out and 661 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: get it done. Yeah, I mean, I you know, business wise, 662 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: I coined you know kind of three CS that you 663 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: have to have. Courage, curiosity, and confidence. You've got to 664 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: have all three, you know, from a business perspective than personalized. 665 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: It's always family first. I mentioned my sister and I 666 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: thirteen months apart and talking every day, and you know 667 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: it's it's always family first, and that's what keeps me going. Well, 668 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: that's all amazing, and it sounds like you have the 669 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: balance down the best you can. And I just wanted 670 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: to say thank you because I know a woman like 671 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: you is so incredibly busy and to take this time 672 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: to really just reveal the way you think and the 673 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 1: way that you feel about business is really valuable to me. 674 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: But really mostly other people are just trying to figure 675 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: out how we've all navigated this. So I could not 676 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: be more appreciative of your time. Now, this was fun, Dethany, 677 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: And you know what I've learned is life and career 678 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: aren't linear. It sounds like you have many stories to 679 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: prove that as well, and happy to share anything, So 680 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: thanks so much. My takeaway from that conversation was, I'm 681 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: really enjoying talking to different types of people. You know, 682 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: to talk to someone who's so intensely corporate and serious 683 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: and who has broken through the glass ceiling and worked 684 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: in a very very intense, male centric corporate big four 685 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,919 Speaker 1: firm for decades is serious. Like, that's a serious accomplishment 686 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: to to to break through there with all men around 687 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: and you know, thinking, oh, well, she's got a kid, 688 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: or she's gonna get married, gonna have a baby, and 689 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, is really interesting and just just to learn 690 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: from someone like that, I mean, that's the thing I 691 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: want you all to to explore and exercise different parts 692 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: of what you think businesses, because business for her is 693 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: very different than it is for me. But in many 694 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: ways there are so many similarities. We are could not 695 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: be on more different paths, but we have a lot 696 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: of the same ways of approaching things that it might 697 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 1: not be drinking margarite is in every single party, or 698 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be a little intense and people are 699 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: gonna being a little intimidated by me despite the fact 700 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: that I'm a woman. But I'm getting shipped done and 701 00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: I'm going for it. I'm going all the way and 702 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: this is my path and my journey, and I'm gonna 703 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: figure it out and I'm gonna make lefts and rights 704 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: and talk to people. But I'm going. So she went 705 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: all the way. I you know, I'm on my way 706 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 1: to go on all the way, and I want you 707 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: to go all the way. So just giving you different 708 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: different vehicles through which to figure out how to go 709 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: all the way. So even if there's someone on here 710 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 1: that you're not particularly interested in, whoever it is, you're 711 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: gonna be interested in sports or the UFC, or corporate 712 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: or entertainment or tech. Listen anyway, because there's gonna be 713 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: there's gonna be something here that's going to pique your 714 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: interests and that applies to you in your life. 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