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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hull.

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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so

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Speaker 2: many players say, well, I want to be happy. You

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Speaker 2: want to be happy for day Edith State is that

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Speaker 2: whoo whoom?

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Speaker 1: And Dan and Tie.

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Speaker 3: Denn Ruben Steam welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, thy God, It's nice to

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Speaker 2: be here with you. This is the time of year.

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Speaker 2: You always like to say, oh, this is the bottom

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Speaker 2: of the off season, and like spring practice isn't in

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Speaker 2: full swing, it's not the draft yet, the seasons in

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Speaker 2: the rear view mirror.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, have you.

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Speaker 3: Seen the numbers? The numbers tell me this is the

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Speaker 3: bottom of the off season right now.

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Speaker 2: This is what we find our people today, you it is.

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Speaker 2: I love this time of year. It gives us time

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Speaker 2: to explore and reflect and get a little bit weird

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Speaker 2: and figure out. Like a lot of the shows we

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Speaker 2: do around now tap into I think the psyches and

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Speaker 2: talking of. I don't even remember what we did earlier

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Speaker 2: in the week. We did something with emotion, right, We

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Speaker 2: do these things like it was the Ralph Wigham and

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Speaker 2: Wiggams Break right, And I just I love that kind

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Speaker 2: And then what you fear once again won't be solved

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Speaker 2: with some But there is something that is sort of permanent.

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Speaker 2: As much as everything changes in this sport, right that

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Speaker 2: you know, transfers and assistants and nil rules and conferences

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Speaker 2: and postseason. Sometimes it spans multiple coaches, three four coaches.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just one coach who can't solve the same

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Speaker 2: consistent about this sport that has no consistency whatsoever, is

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Speaker 2: there's that what is the hard drive called tie that

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Speaker 2: there is something that is permanently etched in all of

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Speaker 2: comes to college football fandom, where you're like, yes, our

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Speaker 2: team has taken strides moving forward in all of these

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Speaker 2: different places, but they can't seem to write over this

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Speaker 2: little bit of data. Ever, and I always like educating

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Speaker 2: myself on how again a Mazoo fan feels, a Washington

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Speaker 2: And this helps me if I'm going to be selfish here,

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Speaker 2: but I think it helps all of us understand each

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Speaker 3: Yes, you really took that on a journey. You were

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Speaker 3: had this discussion recently about, yeah, trying to free up

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Speaker 1: I still don't know. And I'm supposed to be the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but in effect, that is sort of what today's

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Speaker 2: It is? Oh? It absolutely is you know what. It

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Speaker 3: to be better than ever. There's no like added step

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Speaker 3: of explaining that logic. It's just a lot of sunshine pumping,

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Speaker 3: Phil We love his work, we have for an eternity.

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Speaker 3: But it is that time of year right where we

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Speaker 3: it is the bottom of the off season, but we

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Speaker 3: because spring football has started up, and of course because

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Speaker 3: and we get to talk through some of the pressing issues. So,

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Speaker 3: as is usually the case with that long preamble, you

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Speaker 3: back with this idea here today of missing pieces, Dan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not even just a missing piece for

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Speaker 2: this season, and it's what we'll talk about, how teams

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Speaker 2: this year is okay, what's this year's stab at it?

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Speaker 2: Whether it's through the portal, whether it's through hiring a

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Speaker 2: Where are Yeah, everybody's searching.

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Speaker 2: What's up, Tom? Where are you?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? Tom?

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Speaker 3: All right, let's start with Michael, who writes in for Arkansas. Again,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about things that teams have not fully figured

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Speaker 3: There's typically playmakers on offense here over year, but lackluster

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Speaker 3: arkansaw defense is what I saw when I read Michael's

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Speaker 3: response here, Dan, I found some mind blowing stats about

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Speaker 1: I believe that was Jamal Anderson with two a's.

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Speaker 2: No and there, Yeah, to your point, there has been.

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Speaker 2: There have been years where they've been able to field

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Speaker 2: different era of the sport. Unfortunately. I think it was

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Speaker 2: vice versa. And you go back, what'd you say twenty

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Speaker 2: few years. So it's a money thing. And we'll see

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Speaker 2: what that looks like moving forward now under yet another

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Speaker 2: new coach. And you can find dudes. You can find

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Speaker 2: dudes in the South. It's retaining dudes. It's being smart

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Speaker 2: about evaluating, and everybody's you know, everybody's looking for value

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Speaker 2: think there is an excellent reason why Arkansas can't do this.

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Speaker 2: Arkansas should have enough money playing in the SEC, having

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Speaker 1: It wasn't there. There was a game in there where.

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Speaker 1: They are.

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Speaker 3: They are, and I mean the time was right. The

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Silverfield's the guy.

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Speaker 2: So Jennifer said, win a playoff game, then talk, and

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Speaker 1: I'm trying Jennifer. So Arkansas is trying Jennifer, continue me,

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Speaker 2: I don't know where do you want to go next?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you buried the lead a little bit here.

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Speaker 2: You know, Georgia Tech thoughts, No, we just acknowledge their pain.

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Speaker 3: Been over the last two seasons. We'll see where it

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Speaker 2: We'll see what Georgia Tech actually has out wide. But

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Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of Alberto Mendoza, please Alberta Mendoza.

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Speaker 3: He transfers down from Indiana because Josh Hoover is transferring

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Speaker 2: in terms of what we perceive the offenses might be

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Speaker 2: There's not a ton like. It's very easy to say

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Speaker 1: Give me Tom, play Tom.

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Speaker 2: Where are you all right? What are we looking for?

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Miszoo.

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Speaker 3: get the ball to their best players. They have not

436
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 3: figured out how to do that. So there are also

437
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 3: some mind bending stats about Eli Drinkwitz, who is getting

438
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 3: paid a ton, is going to be at Miszoo for

439
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: I think a good long time. They certainly wanted to

440
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 3: keep him. He has definitely helped build that program up.

441
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 3: A lot of that stuff is all very very positive

442
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 3: about drink but the late game James Franklin thing is

443
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Speaker 3: worth mentioning, as is the fact that I did not

444
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 3: realize this. He is one in twelve in his career

445
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: at Miszoo against SMP plus top ten teams.

446
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Speaker 1: That is a.

447
00:23:54,560 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 3: Nearly eight percent winning percentage against SMP plus top ten teams.

448
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 3: That is worse than Gary Pinkel, who was four and

449
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Speaker 3: twenty five at time of recording. Eli Drinkwitz is also

450
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 3: just seven and nineteen versus ranked teams at the time

451
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Speaker 3: of the game, so ranked at the time. That is

452
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Speaker 3: from our friends over at rock m Nation. I was

453
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Speaker 3: going through an article a little bit before we hit

454
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Speaker 3: go here. So the one thing I will say that

455
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: sort of undercuts the whole late game James Franklin thing.

456
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Speaker 3: In one score games, he hasn't been horrible sixty percentage.

457
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Speaker 2: If we've had weird freak losses, we had weird freakm

458
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Speaker 2: necessarily on him.

459
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 3: But yes, I've had some weird freak losses for sure.

460
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's quite apples to apples. And I

461
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Speaker 3: like the fact that Drink has built Miszoo into a

462
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Speaker 3: consistent winner. He has a winning record in the SEC,

463
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: the best home record in program history, and they've got

464
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Speaker 3: a contract with him now through Your of Our Lord

465
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 3: twenty thirty one, so they're clearly happy with what he

466
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 3: has done there. But I do think there is a

467
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 3: comparison to be made, not necessarily with the late game

468
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Speaker 3: James Franklin's side of this, but there is this sense

469
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 3: of how do we get over the hump? How do

470
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 3: we get over the hump? Because the talent's there, right,

471
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: They've got talent. Maybe it's partially what DT brought up

472
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 3: about trying to figure out a way to get the

473
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Speaker 3: ball to your best players, Like Luther Burden's production dropped

474
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 3: significantly from one year to the next, and that was

475
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: like an ongoing thing of like, where's Luther Burden?

476
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Speaker 1: Why can't we get him the ball more?

477
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Speaker 3: But beyond that, I just think Maszoo is sort of

478
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: trapped in this weird gray area between being really good

479
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 3: and a perennial contender and being just like sort of

480
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 3: above average eight and four in a really good conference,

481
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: and notable because they can always sneak up and get

482
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 3: you and because you never know what to expect from

483
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 3: a drink Witz team, But at the same time sort

484
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: of frustrating because it just feels like there's a glass ceiling.

485
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Speaker 3: Does that compute for you?

486
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Speaker 2: It does? There is something that just strikes me as

487
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: a little bit off about Miszoo right now. They brought

488
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 2: in thirty transfers right in year six, right he started

489
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: and ELI started in a twenty twenty. That feels like

490
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: too high a number. That feels like this team should

491
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: have more continuity year to year. They could be starting

492
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: what eight nine guys who've transferred in on this defense

493
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 2: and defense has not been the issue. Like this Misszoo program,

494
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: if nothing else, has had a pretty high floor. Now

495
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: in a conference this big, there're gonna be years where

496
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: perhaps they win more games than they should because of

497
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 2: a schedule that you're like, oh, you know, the seven

498
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 2: of the eight games they're playing against their teams that

499
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: are five hundred or less in the SEC something like that,

500
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: they are gonna be those seasons. I feel like they've

501
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: had just inconsistent quarterback too often, and you know, Brady

502
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: Cook dealing with injuries. For some reason, they brought and

503
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: Drew Pine at a certain point into that room.

504
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: And for some reason they brought in Drew Pine. Yeah.

505
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: Like, if you're going to bring in a backup quarterback

506
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: from the broader tie hilden Brent multiverse, yeah, be it

507
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 2: Bo Pribula or Drew Pine, I don't know if your

508
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: program's in great shape at this moment. And so that's

509
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: the thing. It's quarterback evaluation slash consistency. And I don't

510
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: blame Eli drink Witz for health, but offensive line has

511
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 2: been up and down. But look, last year they were

512
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: a team that I think was ranked fairly late into

513
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: the season, led almost exclusively because they had the SEC's

514
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 2: best running back and a really good defense, and yet

515
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: we're still talking about a team that can't do it

516
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: for four straight quarters and finish strong against the better

517
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: teams on their schedule. And I think a lot of

518
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: that is quarterback inconsistency, scheme inconsistently inconsistency. They lose Kirby

519
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: Moore and they bring in what Chip lindsay doesn't feel

520
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: crazy inspired to me, and I don't know, it just

521
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: feels like there's too much rotating in and out in

522
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 2: Como for me to feel good about everybody being on

523
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: the same page, practicing like they want to finish these

524
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: big games, you know, having the confidence to finish these

525
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: big games like they're in positions so often and come

526
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: up just short, which kind of tells me that there

527
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: is something about confidence in preparation that is not fully

528
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: there at MISSOO.

529
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so again, maybe not late game James,

530
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 3: but certainly big game James, right would be the comparison here.

531
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Speaker 3: If the more I think about this, right, just not

532
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: being able to beat the elite teams, that's a ceiling problem.

533
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: That's not a closing problem. That's a ceiling problem. We'll see,

534
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I like Austin Simmons transfer from Ole Miss.

535
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 2: I do too a little bit.

536
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 3: Last year obviously lost that job Trinidad Chambliss, who who

537
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: kind of went off. But you know, if Austin Simmons

538
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: hits a Mott, Hardy is back this year, so they

539
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: should have. Yeah, I was gonna say, he'll be the

540
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: centerpiece of the offense and hopefully take some of the

541
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: pressure off Simmons to come in there and be all

542
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 3: rolled everything right away.

543
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: They should have the first month or so to figure

544
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,719
Speaker 2: things out on offense and look, Kayden Lee amat Hardy

545
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: Austin Simmons. If Austin Simmons is the better version of himself,

546
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: it seems, should give them a leg up on the

547
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: average teams on their schedule. The problem is there are

548
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 2: not too many, especially in that back half. The back

549
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: half of the season is A and M at Ole Miss,

550
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: Texas at Georgia and Oklahoma just in terms of that,

551
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: so they have time to figure it out and work

552
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: out some kinks with a new offensive coordinator and you

553
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 2: know a little bit of reshuffling of the offensive line.

554
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: But again I go back to like thirty new players

555
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: in year six. I don't love that.

556
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: Give me tom I want to hear Tommyhaan, where are you?

557
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: What are we looking for? And where are we?

558
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: This is a longer one from our friend Raoul, who

559
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: always has very thoughtful questions, and I wanted to read

560
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: this one and I wanted to give it it's due

561
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 3: because I think it's well thought out.

562
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Speaker 1: He says.

563
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 3: Florida's biggest issue has not been scheme or any one

564
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: position group. It's been institutional lag. Since Urban left, Florida

565
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: has struggled administratively in two main ways. First, they have

566
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: not pushed hard enough in the gray area where programs

567
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: find advantages. Dan has talked about it before how important

568
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: it is to understand the gray area of the sport

569
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: and exploit it, whether in recruiting, roster management, staffing, or

570
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 3: general ruthlessness required to compete at the top. Florida has

571
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: too often seemed reluctant to engage at the level that

572
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 3: the real powers do. Secondly, they have consistently chased yesterday's

573
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: problem administratively and hired reactively. They hired well mush Champ

574
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 3: after saban It exposed them late in the urban era.

575
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: They hired McElwain after mush Champs offense stalled, and as

576
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: Florida was trying to catch up in the facilities arms race,

577
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: they hired Mullin to fix scheme just as Alabama, Georgia

578
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: and Ohio State were using massive recruiting infrastructures to clean

579
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 3: out the state of Florida of elite talent. And they

580
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: gave Napier the giant staff model just as the sport

581
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 3: was shifting towards nil portal economics and GM style roster building.

582
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: That has been the pattern.

583
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: Florida ninety half other than an offense, of course, other than.

584
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: An offense coordinator, right which he would insisted on doing himself. Now,

585
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: Florida keeps addressing the last problem right as the sport

586
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: moves to the next one, more than any on field issue.

587
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 3: And that is why they have not figured this whole

588
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 3: thing out. Thank you, Raoel, Very good question, good context.

589
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: I could not have set it better myself, Rowell, obviously

590
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 3: as a more intimate college of the Gators than both

591
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: you and I, but I think that pretty much sums

592
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: it up with where they are at right now. And

593
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: now they moved on to John Sumrall and we'll see

594
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: if that bears any.

595
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: Fruit what's interesting to me?

596
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: And I mean he kind of talked through it a

597
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: little bit here if you want to feel old, Florida

598
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: is now on its fifth coach since Urban Meyer Urban

599
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: left twenty ten. John Sumrall is now coach number five

600
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: in that span of time, just fifteen or sixteen years,

601
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 3: whatever it is, that's a lot. It feels like it's

602
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: been an eternity since Florida was more of a mainstay

603
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: on the national stage.

604
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: Well, okay, look if Florida had been aggressive, I mean, look,

605
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: Florida was aggressive and pursued Lane Kiffin and ended up

606
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: with John Sumrall. And so they in some ways aren't

607
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: looking at Billy Napier's path as something to avoid this

608
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: time around because they hired a smaller school coach from

609
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: State Louisiana and so it's a similar path. So maybe

610
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: they view John Sumrall. I suppose they definitely view John

611
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: Sumrall as different enough from a personality and vision standpoint

612
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: from Billy Napier to say we are ignoring the similarities

613
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: and path because we think there's enough of a difference

614
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: in vision and approach that we feel great about hiring

615
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: John Sumrall, somebody who obviously was a name that was

616
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: interesting to a lot of teams making highers this past offseason.

617
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: So there is something about John sumral if he is

618
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: the guy what Florida has desperately needed, which I think

619
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: Raoul is right about, is not just the right guy

620
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: for Florida, but the right guy for understanding college football

621
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty nine, twenty twenty eight. And for Florida,

622
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: you're already starting ahead of most people because of location

623
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: and because of conference prestige, and because of obviously program prestige.

624
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: You're not going all that. You're not going that far

625
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: back in time to see a good Florida team. Dan

626
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: Mullen made the SEC championship game. So it's restoring the brand,

627
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: it's selling the brand. And really it's what Florida has

628
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 2: needed all this time is a true head coach, right

629
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: that somebody who has the ability to hire in a

630
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 2: savvy way, somebody able to recruit, somebody able to retain,

631
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 2: somebody able to build culture, so that Florida isn't that

632
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: place that is just a turnstile roster wise. Because I've

633
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: said this before that at least the currency in the

634
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 2: sport right now seems to be stability, right, so many

635
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: dudes are moving around that if you can convince people

636
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: to stay and thrive where you are, you're ahead of

637
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: basically everybody. Like you're not trying to hire the next

638
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: Kurt Signetti. You're trying to hire the next guy who

639
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: who can at least approximate some of what Kurt Signetti

640
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 2: has done once he's been at Indiana, because a lot

641
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: of that, you know, it's bringing in the right guys,

642
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: it's bringing in his guys from James Madison, whatever, it's

643
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 2: John Somemral building Gainesville into a place that's attractive to

644
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 2: the right transfers, but maintaining and establishing a culture at

645
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: Florida where people want to stick around and people want

646
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: to buy in over the course of and this sounds

647
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: crazy to say, two years, right, three years like not

648
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: time out a long time, but yeah, I can understand

649
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: that from a Florida fans perspective where you're just like

650
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: always just a little bit behind, comparing yourself to the

651
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: very top of the sport in Georgia, and I guess

652
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: now more so Miami in state after having gone to

653
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: a national championship game and so it's the patience and

654
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: the savvy nature to say we're building this thoughtfully, and

655
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 2: we're going to comute, and we're going to find people

656
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: who fit that. I hope it works out for Florida,

657
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: because you know, they're the opposite of Arkansas, Like Florida

658
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 2: games have not been consistently fun for a long time. No,

659
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: that's my read on it, and I think Rull's onto something.

660
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too. I mean, I'm hesitant to claim

661
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: that I like this hire of John Somemroll. I like

662
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: John Sumrall as a coach. I like his track record.

663
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 3: I feel like every time Florida has hired a new coach,

664
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: I've come on the air here and said I love

665
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 3: this hire. Right, it is definitely gonna wears a slam dunk.

666
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 3: I was all in on Billy Napier, Dan, I know,

667
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 3: I was all in on Napier, and I wasn't the

668
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: only one.

669
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were.

670
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 3: You know, there were a lot of things to like

671
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: about Billy Napier from his previous stops as well. But

672
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 3: it is not fair to John Somerall to compare him

673
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 3: one to one with Billy Napier. They're different guys different.

674
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: I guess m's altogether, and I think it's too soon

675
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: to say the bigger question. I think now if you're

676
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: a Florida fan, and I think we can say this

677
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: just from the national level, how to summer all fairs

678
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: over these first two maybe three seasons, I think is

679
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: going to be compared heads up against what Lane Kiffin

680
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: does at LSU, because Kiffen was one of the other

681
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 3: big names that they were at least in the running

682
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 3: for for some period of time.

683
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 2: Yep.

684
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: So if Kiffin goes off and starts winning things at LSU,

685
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: and if it is a little bit slower to start

686
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 3: up at Florida, I can imagine there'll be some Florida

687
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 3: fans sort of looking in the rear view mirror like

688
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: maybe we made a wrong turn back there at the

689
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 3: end of the twenty twenty five season.

690
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: That remains to be seen.

691
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,479
Speaker 3: I do like what they did via the transfer portal, though,

692
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: and I recognize that there's probably more talent going out

693
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: than coming in if you make anything of star rankings

694
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: and transfer portal star rankings and that type of thing.

695
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: But I like that the.

696
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: Head of this portal class is too Georgia Tech guys

697
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: formerly now Georgia Tech guys and Eric Singleton Junior and

698
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: Aaron Filo, and they are reuniting with their offensive coordinator,

699
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: Buster Faulkner, who also comes down from Georgia Tech. I

700
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 3: think these are the types of moves that in theory

701
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 3: could be really really interesting because they're not spending a

702
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 3: ton to get the quarterback. You know, we talked through

703
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 3: the Aaron file thing a couple episodes ago. This could

704
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: represent and could be sort of a bell Weather for

705
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: just being really smart in the transfer portal, getting the

706
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: right guys, assembling the right personnel around the scheme and

707
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: that sort of thing. Perhaps it's a more responsible approach

708
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 3: than we've seen thus far. I don't think they've been irresponsible,

709
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: but to Rale's point, it does feel like they're chasing

710
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 3: ghosts a little bit.

711
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: By the way they get ole Miss in an enormous

712
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: letdown spot after the LSU spot for ole Miss. Florida

713
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: does yep so to to sort of see how John

714
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: Summer all starts out. It's Auburn's first SEC games, It's

715
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: Florida's first SEC game under John SUMMERL and Alex Golish, respectively.

716
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: It's Texas the week after and it's in Austin, but

717
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: it's Texas the week after red River. So Florida's situational

718
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: plays are not the worst over the course of John

719
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: Summerl's first year. But I don't know. I like the

720
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: Hires a lot, I really do.

721
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, and I mean the other thing to monitor,

722
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: I think on the Florida front, and then we'll move on.

723
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 3: They do have a GM now that's also former GM,

724
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: and Dave Caldwell, who was doing his thing for a

725
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: while in the NFL, was formerly the general manager for

726
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: the Jags for you know, a couple of seasons, was

727
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 3: most recently with the Eagles for a couple of seasons

728
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 3: as one of the executives just.

729
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: Next door to me.

730
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 3: So we'll see what they can do now with that

731
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 3: guy in place. Obviously, the sport has moved in that direction.

732
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 3: The cautionary tale, though, is that they have paid out

733
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: forty six million dollars or something in the neighborhood in buyouts,

734
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: So they need to get try and get past that

735
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 3: if they want to move forward.

736
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 2: Here, yep, next team, give me Tom, what are we

737
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 2: looking for?

738
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: Let's go to Oregon.

739
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: Oh you want to go to Oregon. Okay, a couple

740
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: of answers.

741
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave out the part about Nike. Okay, Okay,

742
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 3: that's fine, but I will go to the pot the

743
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: spot here from Dan the follies of youth.

744
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 2: M I don't hate this, the.

745
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 3: Follies of youth. Dan Lanning needs more experience managing situations

746
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 3: and staff that only come in time. Well Stein was

747
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: also young, and you saw it every time he got

748
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 3: cute with play calls or did not adjust quick enough

749
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 3: when things like Indiana's pass rush just kept coming. So

750
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 3: the broader theme here I would say with Dan Lanning

751
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 3: is we all know Oregon's good agreed, Yeah, agreed, agree,

752
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 3: perennially now a contender both in the conference and in

753
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: the College Football Playoff. I think that goes without saying

754
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 3: the talent is there. They have recruited at an elite level.

755
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: It is clearly a transfer portal destination, at least in

756
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: terms of talent acquisition. Oregon has done everything right. The

757
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: next step now for Oregon is not even winning more games, right.

758
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: They're winning a lot of games already. It is winning

759
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 3: the biggest games is winning some of those rematches that

760
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 3: they have found themselves in and it is obviously advancing

761
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 3: a little bit deeper in the playoff. Now they went

762
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: to the semi final. It's pretty good, right, It was

763
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: a good season. They ran into a buzzsaw. We know

764
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: this Indiana killed everybody for the most part this season,

765
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 3: So I don't even think it's a black eye to

766
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: lose that game. But I understand the question because if

767
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: you're an Oregon fan, certainly if you're a Phil Knight

768
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: watching the progress of this team, it feels like every

769
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: year gets a little bit closer. I'd imagine if you

770
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: are Dan Rubinstein, you're wondering, all right, well, when is

771
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: when are we finally going to get over this hump

772
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 3: and get back into a national championship game and actually wins.

773
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 3: They have something to show for all of this time

774
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: and energy and resources that.

775
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: Have been poured into this football program.

776
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 3: So I get the question. I'm curious to get your

777
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 3: reaction to it.

778
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. From a micro I think it's there's no position

779
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: group that jumps out at me other than maybe linebacker

780
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: that I feel like they've developed and found via portal.

781
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 2: Enough dudes who've been drafted high, who've been big time contributors.

782
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: Excuse me, that's just a throat clear to be clear. Yeah,

783
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: linebacker has been the one place and you look at

784
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 2: the Ohio State the second Ohio State game from two

785
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: years ago, the way that those dudes were exploited both

786
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 2: in the run and passing games with big plays. They've

787
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: They've had weird circumstances, but everybody has weird circumstances. It

788
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: was particularly weird this year with both coordinators accepting power

789
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: for head coaching jobs ahead of the College Football Playoff

790
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 2: and the travel and distraction and basically two full time

791
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: jobs at the same time, ahead of some of Oregon's

792
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: biggest games. That's a big deal. But it's Oregon trying

793
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 2: to navigate what everybody's trying to navigate, which is a

794
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: chaotic December and January for literally every team either playing

795
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: or trying to build a roster to someday play in

796
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: January once again. So yeah, that's really what it is.

797
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: It's if there's anything nagging at Oregon, Oregon since joining

798
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: the Big Ten twenty six and three, seventeen and one

799
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: in Big Ten games, so we're really nitpicking. I know

800
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: that I may lose in non impressive fashion to excellent

801
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: teams in January, and if I'm gonna come up with

802
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: condescending nicknames for other coaches and other teams, maybe we

803
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 2: start calling it January. I don't know, ty.

804
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 3: Look, Dan Lanning has won ten games, twelve games, thirteen games,

805
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: and thirteen games in his time in his four seasons

806
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: at Oregon, he is a total forty eight and eight.

807
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: That is very very good.

808
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 2: He is far and away. He is Katie Ledeki the

809
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: field in terms of the best young college football coach. Right,

810
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: is there any other name that is in that conversation

811
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 2: in terms of like guys under forty or forty two?

812
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: Freeman's in there.

813
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 3: He hasn't won as many games, but Freeman's in that

814
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 3: conversation as well. But there's a reason everybody wants Dan Lanning.

815
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime big is not fully led decied, okay, fair.

816
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, but anytime there is an opening, there is a

817
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: reason that Landing and Freeman are in that conversation.

818
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: Everybody wants them.

819
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: They're young guys, they're dogged recruiters, and they're clearly having

820
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 3: a lot of success. So I think that stands for something.

821
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 3: I would also add, I know it doesn't necessarily translate

822
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 3: to wins on the field to playoff victories to national

823
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: championships or anything like that. But I I think the

824
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 3: fact that somebody like a Dylan Royola or before him,

825
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: Dante or would be willing to transfer to Oregon knowing

826
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: full well they're going to city year, right, I think

827
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 3: that is that is meaningful with where that program is

828
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: at right now. That is meaningful in terms of culture.

829
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: That is meaningful in terms of what Oregon represents to

830
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: some of the young talent out there that.

831
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: Just wants to go.

832
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: But this is almost atypical if you think about college football,

833
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 3: with where we're at now with the sport, Guys are

834
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 3: not transferring elsewhere to go and sit. We've seen it

835
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 3: now with two really high profile quarterback prospects doing it

836
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 3: in you know, almost consecutive cycles to go and sit

837
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: behind somebody else, wait their turn, learn, and then hopefully

838
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: come out there and thrive. So that stands for something,

839
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: and I think it's really symbolic for what Landing has built.

840
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 3: They will win something on the national stage before long.

841
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: I feel very confident in saying that. But I understand

842
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: the question, you know, I understand.

843
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: It for sure.

844
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: I think the youth thing is interesting because when you

845
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: look at his assistance as well. Though. That's where like

846
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: when they played against Ohio State and Ohio State has, however,

847
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: millions of dollars poured into Chip Kelly and Jim Knowles,

848
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: who have seen it all right, They've responded to every

849
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: kind of chess move thrown against their offense or their defense,

850
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,240
Speaker 2: whereas Oregon is throwing out Will Stein and Tosh Lupoy

851
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: and Chris Hampton, like these are guys that are I

852
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: don't know if any of them are forty five, if

853
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: not forty two whatever, like these are young like so

854
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: that that would be the thing to me. I think

855
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: of all their assistants, maybe it's only their defensive line

856
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: coach who's a little bit older and Tony Tuioti, so

857
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: like there would be something to me, And they obviously

858
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: didn't do it this past offseason when Tosh Lupoy left

859
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: for the cow job. Where they do go after Ron

860
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: Roberts or Phil Snow or one of those, I don't

861
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: know what kind of role if it's a full defensive

862
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: coordinator or co DC where you just say I want

863
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: that encyclopedia on my or in my booth, on my

864
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 2: sideline whatever, and it's a young man's game. It's a

865
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: young man's grind. I get why they're doing what they're

866
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: doing again, twenty six and three since joining the Big Ten.

867
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: They're doing something right. But in that very specific spot,

868
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't hate that, like grizzled dude wearing a headset

869
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,959
Speaker 2: and like, Okay, I see what they're going for. These

870
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: have traditionally been my six and a half answers for that.

871
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, And you know, I even failed

872
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: to mention that Dante Mor decided he wanted to forego

873
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 3: the NFL draft. Yeah, this is true and stick around.

874
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: So it's not just a guy transferring in to wait.

875
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 3: It is also some Now there's financial incentive for doing that,

876
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 3: of course, but there's a pretty good chance that Dante

877
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: Mor could have been the first quarterback off the board.

878
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 3: Even with Fernando Mendoz's success. There was a lot of

879
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: hype around Dante more leaving and potentially being a top

880
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 3: five pick at worst. The fact that he would want

881
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 3: to come back and I think he made the right

882
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 3: decision also speaks volumes about what they're building. So look,

883
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 3: the recruiting is there. Clearly it's a portal destination. They're

884
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: right there. Every year they are right there. They're going

885
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 3: to be right there again this year. It's a loaded roster,

886
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 3: so they'll happen more than enough opportunities this coming season.

887
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: Can I ask you about a school that nobody has

888
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: mentioned unless you have anything else to say about Oregon,

889
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 2: no goohead If you had to diagnose what ales Texas

890
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 2: fans about their program under Steve Sarkisian where the talent

891
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: acquisition has been strong to very strong, that they've spent

892
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 2: on coordinators obviously Pete Kwaikowski didn't work out for whatever reason,

893
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: they bring in Will must Champ. That the offense, when

894
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 2: working well, has been balanced and developed NFL players at

895
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: a bunch of different position groups, that they've had high

896
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 2: profile quarterbacks, that they've had all American caliber players on defense?

897
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: What is it about Texas that you feel like their

898
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: fans are still searching for despite the huge steps forward

899
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: that sark has taken there.

900
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 3: It feels to me, and I'm just being a bit

901
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 3: of a prisoner of the moment here based on what

902
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: we saw this past season, but it feels to me

903
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: like they have not been able to sync up at

904
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 3: least on the same.

905
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: Level both sides. Of the football.

906
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: Okay, you know, because like this year, just as the

907
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 3: offense and specifically arch Manning was coming into his own,

908
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 3: we saw the defense take a step back.

909
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: You know.

910
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: The year before that, the defense was incredible, but offensively

911
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 3: it was inconsistency that we saw from guys like Quinn Ewers,

912
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 3: and so it just feels to me like they've been

913
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 3: a bit out of sync. The talent acquisition's been there,

914
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 3: and it was there again this offseason with what they

915
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: did in the transfer portal. I mean, they are another

916
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 3: team that seems loaded for bear coming into twenty twenty six.

917
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 3: So they're not that far off, right, not even close

918
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 3: to being far off. I mean, this is a team

919
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 3: that's going to be right there again. But being slightly

920
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 3: out of sync in a gauntlet like the SEC, yeah,

921
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 3: gives you ample opportunities to drop games. And I just

922
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 3: feel like Texas has been very, very good, and even

923
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 3: when you look at the advanced stats and things of

924
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 3: that nature, we're not talking about a catastrophically bad performance

925
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 3: on either side of the football. They're right there, they're fine,

926
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 3: but it's just momentary lapses, the inability to be fully

927
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: synced up the full year through I think has really

928
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: been in their crawl.

929
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: I think that's all reasonable. The thing that I would add,

930
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 2: and it has not played Texas as much recently because

931
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 2: they've come away with wins. But you look at early

932
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: on in Sark's tenure in the Big Twelve, and then

933
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: maybe you look at a little bit last year. I

934
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: don't know if you have the Kramer TCB sound, Yeah,

935
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: well I have.

936
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: That's a lot of potatoes. Can we use that?

937
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: It's TCB taking care of business that one? But that's okay,

938
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 2: I'll dig it out, keep going. It does make the

939
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 2: show any better better arguably, it might even make it worse. Sure,

940
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: there seems to be something about Texas in those not

941
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 2: really trap games, but there is not a sharpness to

942
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: Texas week in and week out. Now, winning is better

943
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: than losing, win your clunkers, et cetera, et cetera. But

944
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: you look at last year, the Kentucky game, the Mississippi

945
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: State game, even the sloppiness early on in the non

946
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: conference schedule. I'm not talking about Ohio State because everybody's

947
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 2: going to struggle against Ohio State's twenty twenty five defense,

948
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: but you know, you look at early on and the

949
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: games they would lose, you know, the first year with

950
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: like I want to say, was Iowa State and losing

951
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: to Texas Tech in that overtime game. Where Texas has

952
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: more talent, Texas has more ways to win. But I

953
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: don't know if it's a preparation thing. I don't know,

954
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 2: if it's an emotion thing. I don't know, if it's

955
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: a focus thing. I don't know if it's a teaching thing.

956
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: There still seems to be a little bit of residue

957
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: from the Big twelve tenure portion of you know, Sark's

958
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: career of Like, is this team locked in every week

959
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 2: under Sark? I thought in twenty three and twenty four

960
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: they obviously did a better job of that going to Alabama,

961
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: But that's not the kind of game I'm talking about. Like,

962
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: are they up for the fifth most difficult game, the

963
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: eighth most difficult game on their schedule year in and

964
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: year out, That to me would still not at me

965
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 2: because now the sixth most dangerous game on their schedule

966
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 2: is more difficult in the SEC than it was in

967
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve. And so especially with Arch having you know,

968
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: already been in the system and it was his third

969
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: year there in Austin last year like that that still

970
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: eats at me a little. If I'm a Texas fan

971
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: that you know last year there was you know, look

972
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 2: the secondary injuries, the offensive line was not up to snuff.

973
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: But I don't know, they just seemed there was like

974
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 2: this weird every fifth game they were flat and the

975
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: flatness would bother me still or early scare me about

976
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 2: Texas moving forward until maybe proven otherwise.

977
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 3: TCB no takeing care of business, Thank you shall deliver.

978
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: Hold on, Let's do something real quick here, TCB coal,

979
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: I no, no, okay, I.

980
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 3: Tried Baja blast. People seem to like that.

981
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: I just a disease of not TCB. TCB coal, I

982
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 2: all right, I'll keep it.

983
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, now you can keep you can keep workshopping that.

984
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: Let's do maybe one or two more. Okay, let's go

985
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: to uh, let's go to Michigan.

986
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 2: Okay, there's actually you can spread across a number of teams.

987
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: But continue we.

988
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: We can.

989
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: A lot here on Michigan and the scandal swamp. As

990
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 3: Brington called it, the search for stability, search for stability.

991
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go there with this, but Nicholas, hold.

992
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 2: On, hold on, hold on, hold on, I think it's

993
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: worthwhile to least acknowledge even when they were winning big,

994
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: this was not a stable place.

995
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 3: It would appear in hindsight that, no, it was.

996
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 2: Not vacuum salesmen, et cetera. Yeah, it would appear I

997
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: want to be my vacuum salesman. Yeah.

998
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 3: So Brandon's comment here definitely has some credence. But Nicholas

999
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: points out wide receiver. Yeah, wide receiver. Even our best teams,

1000
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,479
Speaker 3: which have been solid but never great, last year, wide

1001
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: receiver was an achilles heel until Andrew Marsh broke out.

1002
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 3: So he lists a couple of names here, wide receiver

1003
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 3: at Michigan.

1004
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: Gosh.

1005
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 3: I remember Michigan teams when I was considerably younger and

1006
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 3: had less gray that those teams were pretty awesome in

1007
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 3: terms of what they put out there on the on

1008
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 3: the outside from the wide receiver position. So, of course,

1009
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: it feels like it has been a minute since we

1010
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 3: got back to that level. I don't know if we

1011
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 3: will get there with Kyle Whittingham. It's not necessarily what

1012
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 3: Kyle Whittingham is known for, right, but it would certainly

1013
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 3: serve them well at this point, given that they've got

1014
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 3: Bryce Underwood, they do have. Andrew marsh did have a

1015
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 3: good breakout season last year, and it feels like there's

1016
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 3: at least enough around him. I know you like some

1017
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 3: of what they've done in the transfer.

1018
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 1: Portal as well.

1019
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 3: So we'll see if that changes at all under Whittingham,

1020
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 3: maybe with more of a of a power identity that

1021
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 3: could play off that to try and stretch the field.

1022
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 3: We'll see what Jason Beck has in store for Bryce Underwood.

1023
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 3: But I was thinking back when I saw this comment

1024
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 3: from Nicholas and I was like, Damn, that's a good

1025
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 3: one that it hadn't really considered.

1026
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 2: I couldn't even like, who is the last like Michigan

1027
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 2: has had good receivers for stretches? Yeah, who is the

1028
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: last great Michigan receiver? Is it Braylan Edwards in the

1029
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: early two thousands, Jeremy, I don't know the answer. They've

1030
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 2: had stretch guys, They've had Ronnie Bell. We can have

1031
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: a Roy Rountree conversation if you really. I don't know

1032
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 2: how much we can talk about Roy Roger, but it's

1033
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 2: a fair thing, and winning how they did despite that

1034
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: is something I'm not sure I would look at Michigan's

1035
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,760
Speaker 2: current receivers room as good as it looks on paper,

1036
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: and say, all right, who's the guy to fully weaponize

1037
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 2: these names? Kyle witting Ham, So yeah, I know, because

1038
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: I don't think when you look at some of these

1039
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: schools that have had issues finding and developing receivers, at

1040
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: least recently, both of your schools, Notre Dame in Penn State.

1041
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: Penn State has found that guy maybe a little bit

1042
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 2: more often recently, and Notre Dame has found those guys

1043
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: I think more often than Michigan perhaps, But it's it's

1044
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: not just finding those guys because the position, it's okay,

1045
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: who's the quarterback, who's the offensive coordinator? How do you

1046
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 2: keep these guys engaged if you're running a system that

1047
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: doesn't feature them a lot, so that when they are engaged,

1048
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 2: they're really popping right? Last year was a youth thing

1049
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: at quarterback and the raw nature of Bryce Underwood going

1050
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: downfield confidently and some of the turnovers he had, and

1051
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: I just I wonder if there's a complete package in

1052
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 2: place that again as good as these receivers at Michigan

1053
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 2: or at Notre Dame or take your pick. Look on paper,

1054
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: I think CJ. Car is at a better place than

1055
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: Bryce Underwood, Bryce under Underwar, Bryce Underwood. I keep saying world,

1056
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: but I just there there are those factors where it's

1057
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 2: just like, are we a school, are we a program?

1058
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: Are we an offense that is going to trust, that

1059
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 2: is going to take chances, that is going to get creative?

1060
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: Or are we going to service our defense? Are we

1061
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: going to try to establish the ground game, and you know,

1062
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: at what costs? And so until we see that flip

1063
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: switched for Michigan, I'm not fully gonna believe it no

1064
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: matter who the coach is, because they go from two

1065
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 2: coaches who wanted to slam into people four and a

1066
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 2: half yards at a time, six yards at a time

1067
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: to another coach who loves destroying teams on the ground

1068
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: and featuring tight ends. And it's TBD for me. I

1069
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 2: hope it works out, but I would imagine this should

1070
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 2: still nagget people, even with Andrew Marsh's you know, explosion

1071
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: at times his freshman year.

1072
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 3: Give me Tom, I want to hear Tom again. We're

1073
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: looking coming up to the end of this episode. You

1074
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 3: wanted to, as you said, spread around a couple different schools. Yeah,

1075
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 3: what's on your mind here?

1076
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 2: Some we talked about Georgia and explosive plays, which the

1077
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: Georgia thing is interesting to me because they've had good

1078
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 2: quarterback play at the very least, if not very good

1079
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: at times. They've had good receivers two at times very

1080
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: good receivers. To me, the Georgia thing has been an

1081
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator thing that if you were just to list

1082
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 2: me a bunch of head coaches in terms of like,

1083
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: who would you really feel confident in in selecting a

1084
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,959
Speaker 2: new offensive coordinator, scouring the market to find a guy

1085
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 2: who fits, is creative, has good relationships with quarterbacks as

1086
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: a track history like track record Kirby with Jim Cheney

1087
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 2: and James Coley, Mike Bobo again, like the Todd Mounkin thing.

1088
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: Was awesome, Yeah, but great to your run.

1089
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 2: I'm not sure the vision is there for Kirby and saying, Okay,

1090
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: this is what I want out of my offense. Like

1091
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: he had a five star quarterback commit to him twice

1092
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 2: this this past cycle and as that ended up at Vandy.

1093
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: I'm not here to question George's excellence. George's excellence is

1094
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 2: beyond question because all they do is when twelve games

1095
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: a season or whatever, go to the playoff and they're

1096
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: just the top of the sport basically. But there is

1097
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: something with the I think the general vision that would

1098
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: not eat at me if I were a Georgia fan,

1099
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 2: but sort of, you know, pinch at me.

1100
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, you think of.

1101
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 3: The contrast here between when Monkin was there. I guess

1102
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:46,439
Speaker 3: I'm thinking specifically of that twenty twenty two campaign where

1103
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 3: they were crazy explosive, crazy explosive, like over five hundred

1104
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 3: yards a game explosive. Now to where they are at now,

1105
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 3: which is the reason we're getting the question, and now

1106
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 3: bear of mine, Mike Bobo is going to be back

1107
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. Bear in mind that it is a

1108
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 3: receiver room that is to some extent starting over. They

1109
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 3: lose their most explosive talent out wide in Zachariah Branch.

1110
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 3: What is this season going to look like? Doesn't mean

1111
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 3: George is not gonna fine guy. Georgia always finds guys,

1112
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 3: but how will they utilize them and will they have

1113
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 3: any more explosion than we have seen as of late.

1114
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 3: I think that's a key component that they need to

1115
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 3: add back into that offense if they want to get

1116
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 3: back on you know, the stage they were on previously

1117
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 3: where they were beating TCU, you know, sixty five to

1118
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 3: seven in the Natty, whatever it was. We have seen

1119
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 3: a pretty big drop off from those days. And I

1120
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 3: don't know if it's a hiring thing. I don't know

1121
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 3: if it's a scheme thing. I don't know if it's

1122
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 3: just the style of offense that Kirby Smart wants to run.

1123
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 3: But the proof is pretty much in the putting that

1124
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 3: it's not as good as it was before. And those

1125
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 3: big plays, gosh, we talked about them time and again. Now,

1126
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 3: we had Bill on the show last year and I

1127
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 3: remember asking him that question about the Georgia offense. What

1128
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 3: is holding this offense back? And almost within a millisecond,

1129
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 3: Bill responded, offensive line. The line play just hasn't been there. Yeah,

1130
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 3: And when the line play isn't there and they can't

1131
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 3: get it going on the ground to the extent that

1132
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 3: we're used to from a Kirby Smart team, that sort

1133
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 3: of makes the whole thing breakdown. So maybe if they

1134
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 3: can get that back on track or at least a

1135
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 3: little bit more efficient, that could unlock other aspects of

1136
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 3: that offense. But you know, we've seen it too. We've

1137
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 3: talked about this for a couple of years running.

1138
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, the transfer receivers haven't always been you know, Zachari

1139
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 2: Branch was great, but behind him, there wasn't a ton

1140
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 2: of consistent pop. Look obviously not because this was like

1141
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 2: the one hundred and twenty eighth most explosive offense in

1142
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: America this past year, and they're winning despite that because

1143
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 2: of really good defensive prowess and because you know, they've

1144
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: been able to just out the yards and they scored

1145
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 2: in the playoff, they did enough to win that game

1146
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 2: offensively against Ole Miss. But yeah, that to me is

1147
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 2: is still a nagging thing with with Georgia. I mean,

1148
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: the last team that I would talk about would just

1149
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 2: to be full circle. Like if you're a USC fan, it's,

1150
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 2: I guess, on a positional it's a positional standpoint. It's

1151
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: why are our large dudes not as good as the

1152
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 2: large the grouping of large dudes for every other good

1153
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 2: team we play, right that the offensive line just fully

1154
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 2: doesn't do its job too often. You know, you look

1155
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 2: at the highlights of Caleb Williams when he was there

1156
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 2: and how they were eaten alive, and more recent defensive

1157
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: lines giving up what they've given up on the ground

1158
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 2: and the better in the games against the better teams

1159
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: that they've faced, it looks like they've attacked that pretty well.

1160
01:03:58,080 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a ton of experience coming back on

1161
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: both these lines. It should be a strength compared to

1162
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 2: other parts of their roster. But it's again they have

1163
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 2: you know, look at who they're playing this year and

1164
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: you know Oregon and Ohio State.

1165
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: It's a tough schedule.

1166
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 2: It's a tough schedule. They're gonna have to prove it

1167
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 2: up front basically for the first time on both sides

1168
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 2: of the ball, and struggled with it last year. And

1169
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 2: you couple that with their struggles on the road under

1170
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley. So it's line play slash road play for USC.

1171
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: That if you're a Trojan fan, there's a ton to

1172
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 2: be encouraged about past couple of years USC. You look

1173
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 2: at quarterback development, receiver development, the safeties, how they've developed,

1174
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 2: but it's still a rotating cast of coaches on defense

1175
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:46,439
Speaker 2: and another year of like, Okay, it looks like they'll

1176
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 2: be better upfront. Can they be for twelve straight games?

1177
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:51,959
Speaker 1: Right?

1178
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,439
Speaker 2: And if I were a USC fan, I wouldn't feel

1179
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:59,959
Speaker 2: confident until I you know, looked at my tea, watch

1180
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 2: my TV on like October ninth, something like that.

1181
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 3: It's from like, it's not frustrating for me as somebody

1182
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 3: who roots for Notre Dame and certainly rooted against USC

1183
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 3: in those rivalry games.

1184
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 1: Now the rivalry's gone, I'm not going to root against USC.

1185
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is frustrating from afar if I put myself

1186
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 3: in the shoes of a fan looking at this deef.

1187
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 3: I have some really good friends who are USC fans,

1188
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 3: and they are beside themselves that the team isn't better

1189
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 3: because all we've heard about at least this most recent

1190
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 3: offseason cycle with recruiting and whatnot, is it's a number

1191
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 3: one recruiting class, right it was. It was a really

1192
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 3: good cycle for Lincoln.

1193
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 2: Riley brought in.

1194
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: A ton of talent.

1195
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 3: Talent acquisition is not necessarily the issue, but translating that

1196
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 3: into wins, Translating that into more of a physical brand

1197
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 3: of football, which they have to play at some point

1198
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 3: if they want to go anywhere with this that just

1199
01:05:57,040 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 3: hasn't been there. We've seen momentary glimpses of it. Dant

1200
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 3: Linn's first year. I think we saw a pretty big

1201
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 3: jump on defense, no, but it hasn't been anything that's

1202
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 3: been super sustainable and definitely not consistent enough that you can.

1203
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: Rely on it.

1204
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what that is.

1205
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 3: I mean, the common thread is Lincoln Riley, right, and

1206
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 3: so he definitely has to assume some blame for this.

1207
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 3: But how you go about fixing that? It seems like

1208
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 3: it's more nuanced than oh, just bringing more talent, because

1209
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 3: they've had talent, How do you make this better year

1210
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 3: in a year out. I'm not going to ACTI likeck

1211
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 3: I know the answer to that. All I know is

1212
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 3: we've been covering this story now for what feels like

1213
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 3: an eternity, and it's not just a Lincoln thing at USC.

1214
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 3: It goes back to his time in Oklahoma as well,

1215
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 3: specifically on defense.

1216
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree, And look, some of their guys have

1217
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 2: left and gotten better. Yeah, after they've left USC, right,

1218
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 2: you look at the two guys who went to Oregon

1219
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 2: last year and bar Alexander and Emmanuel Pregnan that I

1220
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 2: don't know what it.

1221
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 3: Is, and it's so frustrating, especially and you consider the

1222
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 3: talent that they have an offense. There's part of me

1223
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 3: that feels bad for guys like Jade mayava m hm.

1224
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,479
Speaker 3: Bad for guys like Cale Williams when he was there,

1225
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 3: because a lot of it feels like it's on his arm.

1226
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 3: The running game has, you know, had moments, but we

1227
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 3: don't necessarily think of USC as being like this behemoth

1228
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 3: in terms of rushing the football. It's a pass happy

1229
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,959
Speaker 3: offense that is definitely advantageous to quarterbacks, and so it's

1230
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 3: no shocker that good quarterbacks and.

1231
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: Receivers want to go and play there. They're very, very

1232
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: good at that.

1233
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 3: Agree, it is maddening to know that there is still

1234
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 3: something of a half team situation with these Lincoln Riley programs,

1235
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,160
Speaker 3: and if you're root for the team, I you know,

1236
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 3: again we've been asking this question now for a while.

1237
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is.

1238
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 2: There's I mean, look, this is this is across the

1239
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 2: entire sport. If you're a Wisconsin fan, you're like, I'm sorry,

1240
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 2: we went from being Wisconsin to I don't know what's happening?

1241
01:07:55,400 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 2: What is offense? And that quarterback? Every year? Yeah, it's injuries,

1242
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 2: whether it's coordinators whatever, Like some things you could count

1243
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 2: on to just be completely automatic and then wake up

1244
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: and it's all gone.

1245
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 3: I mean, if you went, if you took a straw

1246
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 3: pole of like a hundred was constant fans. Diehard was

1247
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 3: constant fans. Yeah, and you told them that if you

1248
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 3: snap your fingers, you could have Scott Tolzen back on

1249
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 3: the roster, who I would add when he was in

1250
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 3: college was not viewed as like a Heisman contender or anything.

1251
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 3: He was a good serviceable quarterback who was just pretty solid.

1252
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 2: He was very accurate in an advantageous system for that

1253
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:41,560
Speaker 2: asked a quarterback to make not easy throws, but relatively

1254
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 2: conservative throws.

1255
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, out of those hundred fans, what percentage of them

1256
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 3: would say, yep, sign me up, I'll take I'll take

1257
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 3: him on the one hundred out of a hun even

1258
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 3: over Colton Joseph, who has a lot of promise, I

1259
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 3: think it'd be one hundred out of a hundre wouldake

1260
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 3: Scott TOLZENI.

1261
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's a question of like, Okay, does he

1262
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 2: get those offensive lines in front of him, right? Does

1263
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 2: he get the systems? Does he get those running backs

1264
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 2: and tight ends? That I guess is the open question.

1265
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 2: But yes, you you look at some of the Wisconsin

1266
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 2: quarterbacks who have thrived and other than Russell Wilson. We're

1267
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: not talking about NFL dudes, but we're talking about guys

1268
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 2: who understood responsibilities, didn't try to play outside of themselves,

1269
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 2: and leaned on what worked. And it's that first part

1270
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 2: that has escaped Wisconsin unfortunate, leaning on what works, because

1271
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 2: nothing seems to be doing so consistently.

1272
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: You got any any other ones on your list?

1273
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 2: Any other teams that like what specifically? I mean, Look,

1274
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 2: all of these teams, even the good ones. Oklahoma made

1275
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 2: the playoff last year. Ask any Oklahoma fan about how

1276
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 2: happy they are about their offense from last year or

1277
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 2: what their offensive front moving forward?

1278
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: Right?

1279
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like you felt great as a Texas

1280
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 2: Tech fan until the playoff game, and now you're just like, Okay,

1281
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 2: what does the absolute ceiling of quarterback look like in

1282
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 2: the most difficult games that Texas Tech could possibly play

1283
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 2: this year?

1284
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't think.

1285
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 3: I don't think it's fair to even consider Texas Tech

1286
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 3: as part of this whole concept.

1287
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 2: I don't that's fair.

1288
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: I don't think.

1289
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 3: I don't think it's fair because Texas Tech is and

1290
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,759
Speaker 3: I'm not saying this to be mean to the Texas

1291
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 3: Tech fans are right in, but they're sort of new

1292
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 3: to this stage of college football. Texas Tech has been

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Speaker 3: a fun program for an eternity. We've loved Texas Tech

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Speaker 3: on this program, but it's just been very recent that

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Speaker 3: we've been talking about. Texas Tech is a big spender

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Speaker 3: and a legitimate playoff contender. So they had one bad year,

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Speaker 3: one shutout, after a first round by they obviously went out.

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Speaker 3: They spent again. It is clear that they're going to

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Speaker 3: be around. But if we see a recurring trend, then

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Speaker 3: I think we can talk. But I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: fair to ask at this point, like what's the missing piece?

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Speaker 3: Offense has not been the missing piece for the vast

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Speaker 3: majority of the time that we have done this.

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Speaker 1: Shit.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they've been crazy good on offense. It's always been

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Speaker 3: a defensive question. This year it was sort of flipped.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if that continues, or you know, if Brendan

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Speaker 3: Sourzy can give them a little bit more balance on

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Speaker 3: both sides.

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Speaker 2: I think Iowa is still a want to issue. What

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Speaker 2: do you want to do?

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Speaker 1: Iowa?

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Speaker 2: How do you want to do it? Because they can

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Speaker 2: find good tight ends, they can find good offensive linemen,

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Speaker 2: they can find a coordinator, and I think they have

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Speaker 2: found a coordinator who's willing to be creative. They haven't

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Speaker 2: found quarterbacks that have at least given them the confidence

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Speaker 2: to take a bunch of chances downfield consistently. Do they

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Speaker 2: want to? I'm sure they want to in practice. Do

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Speaker 2: they want to? Maybe in actual games in high leverage situations.

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Speaker 2: Then it becomes like, Wow, let's not do that. Let's

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Speaker 2: you know what this reminds me of.

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Speaker 3: And I was thinking about this a little bit too,

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Speaker 3: because I had Iowa jodded downa melist as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: what was the last time you played fantasy sports, seriously

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Speaker 3: fantasy sports.

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Speaker 2: Over a decade ago? Probably?

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Speaker 3: What was did you have like a formula, a system,

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Speaker 3: a tendency when it came to picking players or putting

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Speaker 3: your teams together?

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Speaker 1: Because I did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would go for younger players in football, and

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Speaker 2: I would go for receivers that I think were slotted

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Speaker 2: to be like number three type receivers who would get

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Speaker 2: it like You'romani tumor types who get a disproportionate amount

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Speaker 2: of looks maybe because of you know, another receiver on

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01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 2: that team getting a ton of attention. Baseball wise, I

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Speaker 2: would just try to outwork everybody I would try to

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Speaker 2: outwork the waiver.

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Speaker 1: War, try to work the waiver war.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, like, okay, this the Pirates have named a

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Speaker 2: new closer At ten forty four am on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I was all, I'm there, yeah, yeah, what's it's

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01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 3: closer Monkey was the name of the newsletter.

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Speaker 2: I think the Oh I didn't have that.

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Speaker 3: That was great if you're if you play fantasy baseball,

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01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 3: I'm sure he still has it closer Monkey, like they

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Speaker 3: send out a notice immediately after somebody changes over with

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Speaker 3: the within the.

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Speaker 2: Bull clutch is that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it was awesome. But my point was this.

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Speaker 3: When I played, and it didn't matter if it was

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Speaker 3: football or baseball, but my formula was always because I

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01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 3: was doing auction drafts at the time, it was always

1355
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 3: to go out and get the lowest priced.

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01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 1: Guys that I thought had upside.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of times, especially in football, those were rookies, yep.

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Speaker 3: And I stuck by that formula and I never won,

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01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 3: but when one of the guys hit, of course, or

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01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,839
Speaker 3: or when I did win, I felt like the smartest

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01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 3: person in the room. It was more of an ego

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01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:35,719
Speaker 3: thing than it was a winning thing. Yeah, I stuck

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01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 3: to that formula until the very last team that I

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01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 3: played on, which at this point was a couple of

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Speaker 3: years ago. My point here is this, I feel like

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Speaker 3: Iowa and Kirk Farrens do the same thing. I feel

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Speaker 3: like they just want to win the way Kirk ference

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01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 3: wants to win. Yes, and though they have made some changes, right,

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01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 3: they have made some changes with how they run that offense,

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Speaker 3: and the defense has continued playing at a really high level.

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Speaker 3: It just feels like Kirk Farrens has his brand that

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Speaker 3: he wants to.

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01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:07,799
Speaker 1: Play and though he might wander a little bit from.

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Speaker 3: It, it is still going to be the same formula

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01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 3: year and in Europe, and that's just what you're going

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01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 3: to get. A couple of years, he's going to get lucky.

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Speaker 3: Most years he's going to be solid. Iowa just is

1378
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 3: solid playing their branded defense and you know, putting.

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Speaker 1: Along on it.

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01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 2: I think that's under selling them.

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01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 1: Well.

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01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 2: I think one hundred and twenty eight teams would love

1383
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 2: to have the last day. Of course they would buy,

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01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 2: of course they would. But you see my point, he

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01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,679
Speaker 2: just wants to win with his formula. What he've viewsed

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01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,479
Speaker 2: is winning football, and that's what they're going to be.

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01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,839
Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of Iowa fans are upset

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01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 2: at this point, like you're just sort of screaming at

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01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 2: the wins. You're just like you have to accept it.

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Speaker 2: We did a whole show about this, and you know

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01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 2: why they haven't done it, and the changes in how

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01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 2: games are called and rules are enforced with chop blocks

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Speaker 2: and stuff.

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Speaker 3: I just I don't think it's going to get to

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01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 3: the next level, whatever that is for Iowa football. I

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01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,759
Speaker 3: don't think it's going to get their Under Kirk ference,

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01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 3: not in this day and age.

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Speaker 2: I think another want to, by the way, is Alabama

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01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 2: and running the ball. If Alabama wanted to run the ball,

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Speaker 2: they'd run the ball successfully, if they truly wanted to,

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01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 2: if that's suit, if that truly were a point of

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01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 2: pride in Tuscaloosa to manhandle teams on the ground. Very

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01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 2: few teams are as advantaged as Alabama in terms of

1404
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 2: talent acquisition, coaching acquisition, and prioritizing putting the you know,

1405
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 2: an element of their roster in a place to succeed.

1406
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 2: So if Alabama truly wanted to, they could control games

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01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 2: on the ground, right I don't. I think it's a

1408
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 2: want to issue that Kaylen Debor wants to similarly win

1409
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 2: in a very specific way that the proof of concept

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01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 2: with Michael Pennix at Washington is absolutely there that if

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01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 2: you have that level of you know, receiving core, you know,

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01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 2: those three receivers at Washington, the success he had at

1413
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,640
Speaker 2: Fresno State with Jake Hayner, That's who it was at Fresno, right,

1414
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 2: Jake hayntere that and look, Cale DeVore is won a

1415
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 2: crap ton of games. But if Alabama truly wanted to

1416
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,679
Speaker 2: run the ball and become a more advanced, not advanced,

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01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 2: a more balanced offense, they could.

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Speaker 1: Well we'll see this year.

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01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 3: I mean, they went out they got the top running

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01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 3: back in the recruiting cycle in EJ.

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Speaker 1: Crowell.

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01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,719
Speaker 3: They went out hard after offensive lineman. I think between

1423
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 3: transfers and what they're bringing in sure this recruiting cycle,

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01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 3: it's like ten new offensive linemen. They've got a new

1425
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 3: offensive line coach and Adrian Klem they're trying. I think

1426
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 3: they're trying in earnest to fix this. But to the

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01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 3: point is that is that who Calen.

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01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: Debor wants this offensive I don't know. I don't know.

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01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,639
Speaker 3: By the way, Alabama's got a six to seven quarterback.

1430
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 3: It's been a minute since we had a six to

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01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 3: seven quarterback that we can talk about. John Gazaniga is

1432
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 3: not going to play, Okay, I do not believe he

1433
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 3: will be the starting quarterback. It seems as if that's

1434
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 3: going to be between Austin Back and Keelon Russell. But

1435
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 3: he is on the roster at a time of recording.

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01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 3: I believe six seven, two forty five. He's a big dude. So, uh,

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01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 3: it's been a minute. We like our six seven quarterbacks

1438
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 3: here in the show. Is that because you're like the

1439
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 3: like a fourteen year old who goes six to seven?

1440
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 2: Is that a thing?

1441
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: No, I don't, I don't. I don't even know what

1442
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: that means.

1443
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 2: Or you just want Alabama to start a new run

1444
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:29,480
Speaker 2: of Andrew Walter, Rudy Carpenter, Brackos Wilds. That's exactly gigantic,

1445
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 2: you know, on the low block type quarterbacks, right, That's

1446
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 2: exactly right. Sam Keller was he in that as run?

1447
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: He was in the run. He wasn't six seven.

1448
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 2: He wasn't six seven, But I need I'm talking.

1449
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 1: About the six seven quarterback.

1450
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 2: Okay, now bring up as you did have a run

1451
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 2: of those dudes. To be clear, he did hit did it?

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01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: Okay?

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01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 2: That's all all right? I think where are ye?

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01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: I think we covered a lot.

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01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 2: Of we're all searching.

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01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we covered a lot of ground here.

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01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 3: We had a bunch that came in. Maybe we can

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01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 3: address some of those on the bonus episode about Clemson.

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Speaker 1: We want from Ball.

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Speaker 3: State from Brian about ball Stay have some ball State thoughts,

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'll share that on the bonus episode. But Penn

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Speaker 3: State and TCU and Utah and Syracuse. We had a

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Speaker 3: couple more come in as we were recording this from

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Speaker 3: about Purdue and and some other programs, So maybe we'll

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Speaker 3: sit on those and we'll bring those back out here

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Speaker 3: as part of our bonuskay wait. Thank you to one

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Speaker 2: I am currently just speaking of for Ballers. It looks

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Speaker 2: like I'm in the eighteenth percentile of the Tournament Challenge

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Speaker 2: bracket pool.

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Speaker 3: My big one is Arkansas. If Arkansas makes the final four,

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Speaker 3: I think I'm going to get a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit of a boost.

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Speaker 2: How did you land on Arkansas, John cal Party, Oh

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Speaker 2: all right.

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Speaker 3: I think I saw something that they score a lot

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Speaker 3: of points, but maybe I got them confused with Alabama,

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Speaker 3: because as I was watching the most recent Alabama game,

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Speaker 3: I think I saw the stat that they're the highest

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Speaker 3: scoring basketball team in the nation, and I think I

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Speaker 3: might have gotten that mix up with Arkansas when I

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Speaker 3: made my pick, so.

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Speaker 2: Love to hear it. Yeah, all right, fair enough.

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Speaker 3: For that guy with the and Dan Rubinstein for myself,

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Speaker 3: Tie Hildebrand. Stop on back on Thursday. Uh it is Thursday,

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Speaker 2: Peace,