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Speaker 1: Welcome in to a loaded Friday, so so much to

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being part of our show.

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Speaker 1: Off a winning week of four and one winning week

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Speaker 1: blazing five returns in a one hour from now. It's

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Speaker 1: actually a really interesting slate of games, you know, j Mac.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin, Steelers coach, was brutally honest, fourth right and

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Speaker 1: furious when the Cleveland Browns traded Joe Flacco to the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: And we're like, why is he so upset? Now we

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Speaker 1: know why, Mike Tomlin after last night is one and

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Speaker 1: seven straight up against Joe Flacco on short rest. So

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Speaker 1: Tomlin's great on Monday night football. These Thursday games, Jay

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Speaker 1: Mack and I talked about it yesterday. Tomlin less time

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Speaker 1: to prepare and motivate. He's not good. So we thought

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Speaker 1: we'd have Bengals Steelers probably boring NUS thirty three thirty one.

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Speaker 1: Flaco in two games with the Bengals five hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty five yards, five touchdowns, no picks. But that game

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Speaker 1: was not only about Flaco. It was about Pittsburgh's defense.

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Speaker 1: It's the highest paid in the league. Once again, it's

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Speaker 1: atrocious Chase Brown, who knew he was Jim Brown. The

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Speaker 1: Bengals averaged six point two yards a rush and Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be a boring, ugly

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Speaker 1: Steeler win. Not at all. It was a firework show.

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Speaker 1: Don't blame it on Aaron Rodgers. Aaron's been terrific, four

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Speaker 1: touchdown passes. He only got in trouble when he tried

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Speaker 1: to go deep that The story of the game is

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Speaker 1: that defense. Mike Tomlin's defense, four straight years, highest paid,

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Speaker 1: none have been in the top ten. It didn't matter

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Speaker 1: who the running back was. I mean, Chase Brown, Illinois kid, whatever,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he looked great. So six straight possession This

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Speaker 1: is hard to do in the NFL against anybody, and anybody,

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Speaker 1: forget the Steelers. The Bengals scored at one point on

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Speaker 1: six straight possessions. So Joe Flacco old barely can move.

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, he can spin it, he doesn't move much.

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Speaker 1: He only got sacked twice. So this is a really

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Speaker 1: bad loss for the Steelers because now the schedule gets brutal,

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Speaker 1: Green Bay, Coles, Chargers, Buffalo, Detroit a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson now getting healthy. So watching the Bengals dash

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Speaker 1: the Steelers for nearly five hundred yards with the thirtieth

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Speaker 1: offensive line and Joe Flacco, I mean, pitch and catch

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Speaker 1: with Jamar Chase sixteen catches, Cincinnati dominated time of possession.

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Speaker 1: So the AFC North here we go. I mean, you've

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Speaker 1: heard of death by a million cuts. That was like

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Speaker 1: death by one hundred slant patterns. They just did whatever

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Speaker 1: didn't even matter. I mean, Cincinnati didn't have their best

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Speaker 1: Aaron had plenty of time to throw, but Pittsburgh's defense,

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Speaker 1: you can't spend that kind of money and that can't

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Speaker 1: be what I see. That was a really really bad loss.

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Speaker 1: Tomlin struggles on Thursday Night football, Chase Brown average nine

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Speaker 1: Flaco a guru wizard. Guys got what five six practices

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Speaker 3: They did exactly what he was expecting and hoping they do.

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Speaker 4: You know, they was gonna put Joey on tea and

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Speaker 1: We was gonna take advantage of those opportunities.

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Speaker 5: Just from an analysis perspective, I just thought, you know,

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Speaker 5: the first half were allowed to run the ball too much.

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Speaker 5: half and so that just kind of set a negative

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Speaker 5: trajectory and will fight uphill the rest of the way.

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Speaker 5: I certainly appreciate the fight, but man, we got to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's in this league. It's crazy. There

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Speaker 1: have been so many games this year where we absolutely

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Speaker 1: five and one. We were absolutely sure. The Chargers. We're

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Speaker 1: three to zero on the Brewers, one game away from

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Speaker 1: We thought it was the bullpen. We thought it was

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Speaker 1: Brewers have nine hits through three games of a playoff series.

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Speaker 1: That's tied for the fewest in league history. And this

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Speaker 1: is a team that scored a lot of runs, again,

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Speaker 1: the season, and Glassnow was excellent, but this was the series.

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Speaker 1: This was the year to beat the Dodgers, right, Otwi struggling,

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Speaker 1: year long. They don't really have a natural closer. Last No.

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Speaker 1: Five and two thirds fantastic eight strikeouts. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: it's over, Blue Jays, Mariners, Brewers, it will not matter.

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Speaker 1: And once again proving their depth. Much like a cheesecake

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Speaker 1: factory menu, turn the page, limitless combinations. Mookie Betts had

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Speaker 1: a great defensive play. Max Munsey had a great defensive play.

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Speaker 1: Mookie Betts opened the scoring. You know, Tommy edmund hobbled.

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Speaker 1: Mookie Bets is unbelievable, insane talent. Stole him from Boston.

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Speaker 1: Tommy Edmunds again was a Saint Louis Cardinal, hitting two

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Speaker 1: sixty five. Max Munsey, who can be hot and cold

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Speaker 1: last time again it wasn't necessarily O Taani or Freddie Freeman,

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Speaker 1: One of them was, listen, Dodgers going to go to

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Speaker 1: the bullpen. Dodgers are going to need O Tawny to hit.

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Speaker 1: You're going to get the runs in this series. And

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee's got nine hits and the Dodgers are getting better,

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Speaker 1: Reds Phillies, Brewers more confidence. Here's Dave Roberts after.

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Speaker 6: I think the thing about our guys is they're battle

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Speaker 6: tested and they know that I've never lost faith in him,

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Speaker 6: they never lost confidence in each other, and so, you know,

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Speaker 6: And we knew all along that we're going to need

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Speaker 6: And you know, we're doing a great job of preventing

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Speaker 1: You know. It's really interesting, and you've seen this. This

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Speaker 1: just better, or the Kevin Durant Warriors like not all dynasties.

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Speaker 1: When the Patriots were winning Super Bowls, they were winning

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Speaker 1: Giants last second games. They weren't overpowering people. The years

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Speaker 1: They didn't win a Super Bowl. This has got a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a Warriors feel to it with KD,

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Speaker 1: like the Warriors won before Katie and after, but those

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Speaker 1: they worked all year to try to solve this thing.

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Speaker 1: They do not have a natural closer. So it almost

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Speaker 1: feels Listen, money does matter, but the Mets and Yankees

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Speaker 1: if Milwaukee can't get hits, forget driving in runs, home runs,

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Speaker 1: the series is probably over. Jmack that game last night,

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Speaker 1: that game. It had twenty three seventeen. All you had

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Speaker 1: Bengals have a bad old line, your two forty year

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Speaker 1: old quarterbacks. It's a short week, it's you know, Tomlin

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Speaker 1: but they won't be that explosive. Aaron was terrific, Flacco

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Speaker 1: interesting weekend. Can Philadelphia bounce out of their issues? Can

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Speaker 1: the Chargers getting healthier now beat the Colts' that's an

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Speaker 1: underrated good game this weekend. What did you make of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the big takeaways.

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Speaker 7: So one of our guys on staff, you know, we

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Speaker 7: j Mack, did you see that Joe Flacco's passing yards total.

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Speaker 7: Way, how's he throw it for two fifty? He just

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Speaker 7: he's going to be offensive fireworks and lo and behold

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Speaker 7: Flacco's unstoppable. Bengals just score it will. Did you say

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Speaker 7: they scored on six street possessions against the most expensive

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Speaker 1: Well, it's just I think one of the things that

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Speaker 1: There were huge, huge holes inside the box. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase is always going to get his Last night

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Speaker 1: was crazy, and again Joe Flacco knows what he knows.

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Speaker 1: If you watched the Bengals last week with Joe Flacco,

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Speaker 1: was like, I'm just gonna throw to Jamar Chase over

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Speaker 1: and over and over they did. Jamar Chase said, we

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Speaker 7: You know, it's embarrassing, Colin, if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers

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Speaker 7: fans and you were all excited about that four and

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Speaker 7: one start, and then you look at the upcoming schedule, brutal.

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Speaker 7: They're probably going to lose their three and all of

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Speaker 7: a sudden gonna be four and five. And then let's

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Speaker 7: see how Aaron Rodgers and Arthur Smith are doing on

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Speaker 7: the sideline and what's going on with Tomlin. I think

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Speaker 7: there's some trouble ahead for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin's a defensive coach. They did take a ten

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Speaker 7: This is the herdline news, all right, Colin, Let's start

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Speaker 7: with Jayden Daniels and a Washington Commanders a tough loss

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Speaker 3: They need fast starts.

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Speaker 10: Colling, we got the the chance to, you know, take

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Speaker 7: Yet down ten nothing to the Chargers right out of

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Speaker 7: right now it's official. Scary Terry McLaurin will not play.

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Speaker 7: Dan Quinn has ruled him out this weekend against Dallas. Listen,

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the good news. McLaurin will play next week,

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Speaker 1: Because of the quarterback play. I think this is a

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Speaker 7: I mean, listen, this is not a hot take, but

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 7: I got no money on this game, but I think

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Speaker 7: Colin they just haven't looked buttoned up. To borrow your

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the next one. And that

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Speaker 7: Maybe in Miami, Jalen Waddle, the great young receiver.

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Speaker 3: Out Let me not call him great. He's good.

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Speaker 7: He wasn't posted on Instagram just like a catch up.

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Speaker 7: You know, a bunch of photos and wouldn't you know it,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that Wattles like the kind of guy

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Speaker 7: You know, obviously everybody could use in Aj Brown, but

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Speaker 7: But even with Buffalo, like third and six, like, you

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Speaker 7: Six last night, Jamar Chase was getting open. I mean

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Speaker 3: The Blue Jays were old eight to two.

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Speaker 7: Fun moment here Max Scherzer, forty one years old, old

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Speaker 1: It was awesome, and I thought he was gonna kill me.

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Speaker 3: I love this column. This is that was awesome.

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Speaker 7: And then these old guys are too, you know, I

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Speaker 7: I'm sure the Dodgers would rather play Seattle in the

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Speaker 3: Man, that is a hike.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, tied it to Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: herd Line news.

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Speaker 1: So what is it one more in Seattle than two

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Speaker 1: then you go east northeast to Toronto. So gotta get

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Speaker 1: their bearings right. They're struggling to get the Blue Jays out.

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Speaker 1: So I saw this this morning. The staff gave me this.

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Speaker 1: The Bears are the only NFL team to score at

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Speaker 1: least twenty one points in each of their first five games. Interesting,

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Speaker 1: I went back and looked at the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: numbers offensively thirty, second, thirty first, twenty ninth, big plays,

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Speaker 1: total offense, and I went and looked at them this year,

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Speaker 1: and they're very good on big plays per game second,

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Speaker 1: but they're kind of middle of the pack total offense

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Speaker 1: passing yards. Here's what's not arguable. Ben Johnson was the

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Speaker 1: right higher. We'll see how the Caleb ben Johnson thing

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Speaker 1: works out. But they've gone from inept to capable. So

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Speaker 1: there's two positions in the NFL, quarterback, one head coach too.

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Speaker 1: You gotta be a at both, at least B plus

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Speaker 1: if you want to be a consistent playoff team. So

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Speaker 1: Chicago's now three and two, but last year they were

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Speaker 1: four and two. But it didn't look right. The play

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Speaker 1: design's better, the play callings better. Caleb's playing with instruction.

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Speaker 1: Here's a word we use once in a while. They

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Speaker 1: look intentional. It's not haphazard. It looks intentional. It's the difference.

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Speaker 1: You know, last year they're four and two, this year

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Speaker 1: they're three and two. It's the difference between a fake

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Speaker 1: Louis bag and a real Louis bag. You know, from

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Speaker 1: thirty feet you can't tell. Got to get up close,

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Speaker 1: put a microscope on it, touch it, you can tell.

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Speaker 1: The fake. Last year was fake. It was just Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams making plays. Oh, he didn't throw a lot of interceptions. So,

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Speaker 1: and don't get paralyzed by records. I said when Kansas

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Speaker 1: City was five hundred, I said, this team is ready

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Speaker 1: to explode. Remember they beat Baltimore, blew them out. Everybody said, ah,

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Speaker 1: Ravens are injured. I'm like, no, no, that's not what

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Speaker 1: this is. That defense is locked in. Eagles were four

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Speaker 1: and oh. I said they got a coaching crisis. They've

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Speaker 1: had the two worst offensive halves of any team, including

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Speaker 1: the Titans, in the league. You can't get paralyzed by

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Speaker 1: a record. This three and two feels real. The offense

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Speaker 1: is smarter, It plays with instructure, the play designs better,

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Speaker 1: to play callings better. It's it looks explosive legitimately. So

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Speaker 1: there's only two positions in this league. If you have

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Speaker 1: a great coach and a great quarterback, you get to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. It's really hard. Last year Bengals didn't Burrow

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Speaker 1: was great. We don't know about Zach Taylor. We just

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Speaker 1: don't know. But Caleb Williams was compared this week. They

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Speaker 1: were everybody. The Troy Aikman stuff got a lot of press.

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Speaker 1: Troy Aikman didn't have a love affair with him, and

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Speaker 1: people were defending Caleb Williams. He didn't need defending. He's

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Speaker 1: not there yet. Here was Caleb on the Akman comments.

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Speaker 12: People are gonna say what they have to say. We win,

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Speaker 12: we lose. People have stuff to say. It was lucky,

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Speaker 12: It was not lucky. People have stuff to say, you know,

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Speaker 12: you know, have a bad game, have a good game.

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Speaker 12: People have stuff to say. So it's it's it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 12: We're only worried about what's going on here within this

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Speaker 12: building and with these guys. So that's all all I

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Speaker 12: can say about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not luck, by the way, they're not. They're

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Speaker 1: not three and two because they're lucky. It is an

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Speaker 1: intentional offense. And within structure, Caleb's getting much better accuracy,

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Speaker 1: a little bit hit and miss, But listen, I always

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Speaker 1: I always say this, if if criticism from announcers is

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Speaker 1: getting under your skin, you're not it right, And I

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Speaker 1: think the apeman Caleb comms Yeah, they're silly. That's a

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Speaker 1: different generation.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I want to throw this out. I want to throw

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Speaker 1: this this story out. I saw this one. So when

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Speaker 1: James Franklin got fired at Penn State, James, everybody's celebrated.

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Speaker 1: Get that bum out of here. He can't beat good teams.

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Speaker 1: He's no good, even though he finished fifth in the

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Speaker 1: country and won thirteen games the year before. Just get

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Speaker 1: him out of here. We'll go get Kurt Signetti at Indiana. Oh,

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Speaker 1: he just signed a new ninety two million dollar contract.

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Speaker 1: He's off the market. And when Marcus Freeman, the other

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Speaker 1: coach rumored to replace James, Well, Notre Dame's gonna beat

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Speaker 1: USC tomorrow and they're gonna beat him soundly. It's a

508
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Speaker 1: bad matchup for the Trojans. The weather's gonna be Midwest cruddy,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think they can stop their run game.

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Speaker 1: So Kurt Signetty and Marcus Freeman excellent candidates. After this weekend,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be both off the board. Well what about

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Speaker 1: Clark Lee at Vandy? What about him? He's twenty one

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Speaker 1: and thirty four. His first three years at Vandy had

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Speaker 1: a losing record. Last year he was seven and six

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Speaker 1: James Franklin was at Vandy. He won by the second year.

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Speaker 1: Nothing against clark Lee. James Franklin won there by the

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Speaker 1: second year, at least clark Lee Vandy. Maybe you know

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Speaker 1: James Franklin had won some there. I think he was

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Speaker 1: like seven and six the second year. So is that

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Speaker 1: the answer, Matt rule, Matt rule, Matt Rule's the answer. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Matt Rule. Have you seen him in close games against

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Speaker 1: ranked teams? Everybody wanted James Franklin out. He's bad against

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Speaker 1: ranked teams. He won a lot of game bad against

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Speaker 1: ranked teams. Matt Rule is two and twenty two against

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Speaker 1: ranked teams as coach Nebraska and his previous stops. I

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Speaker 1: guess so you know you wanted Kurt Signetti locked in,

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Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman locked in soon the guy at Vandy. Actually,

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Speaker 1: James Franklin was better at Vandy. Matt ruhle, he can't

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Speaker 1: beat ranked teams. It's like the New York Knicks. If

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Speaker 1: you're gonna fire Tibbs, who are hiring not everybody looks

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Speaker 1: at your job opening with the same affection you do.

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Speaker 1: It's like I've always I've always said this about young kids.

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Speaker 1: I love mine. I tolerate yours. I mean they're beautiful. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I love mine. Everybody else keep them at home, all right.

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Speaker 1: That's Penn State looks at their job opening and they're like,

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Speaker 1: we'll just go grab Freeman. Notre Dame is a better job.

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Speaker 1: We'll get Signetti. Bloomington's a great place. Eddy is creating

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Speaker 1: his own empire. Well, we'll get the guy at vandy Well.

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Speaker 1: James Franklin was actually better at vandy Well. Matt Ruhle

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Speaker 1: can't beat ranked teams either. I'm just saying, you got

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Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin. He's not going there either. Maybe you have

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Speaker 1: to go to the Division two. Maybe maybe Dan Lanning's

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Speaker 1: not leaving Oregon. I wouldn't leave Oregon for Penn State.

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Speaker 1: I think Penn State's a good job. But it's not

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Speaker 1: a top six or seven job. It's not Bama, it's

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Speaker 1: not Texas. I don't think it's Oregon. It's not Michigan,

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Speaker 1: it's not Notre Dame, it's not Ohio State. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's USC. I think it's closer to I think

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Speaker 1: it is closer to Ole Miss than it is to Georgia.

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Speaker 1: And Ole Miss is a solid job, solid plus. But

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like the Knicks, we're gonna fire TIBs. Well,

552
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Speaker 1: who's on the market? You got something lined up? Doesn't

553
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Speaker 1: look like they did Signetty, that was the one they had, right,

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Speaker 1: Who wouldn't want to come here? Not everybody looks at

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Speaker 1: your own opening.

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Speaker 7: Like you do.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a im pacific.

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Speaker 1: I've never understood this, Like, well you said nine years.

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Speaker 7: The Blue Jays battle back to ty the Alcs at

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Speaker 7: two games apiece. Now, though, square off with Cal Rawley

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Speaker 7: and the Mariners in a pivotal game five. Coverage begins

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Speaker 7: at five pm Eastern two pm Pacific today on FS

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Speaker 7: one little.

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Speaker 1: Earlier game in Seattle. Very very excited for that. My

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Speaker 1: some friends from high school were sending me picks last

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Speaker 1: night watching the Mariners game. They got to get it,

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Speaker 1: They got to get back on track. So I thought.

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Speaker 1: One of the sillier things I saw on the internet

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Speaker 1: this week was when Troy Aikman didn't fall in love

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Speaker 1: with Caleb's performance. People were like, well, Caleb's better at

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Speaker 1: his first twenty starts than Troy Aikman. Oh boy, it's

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Speaker 1: a totally different these are not contemporaries. It's a totally

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Speaker 1: different generation. Let's do let's let's talk about that. So

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Speaker 1: I have defended bon Nicks. Let's let's do a little

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Speaker 1: blind resume with bow Knicks, and let's use contemporaries, people peers,

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Speaker 1: or people in his generation. That's fair because I've said

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Speaker 1: bo Nicks does three things really well. He doesn't get

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Speaker 1: sacked a lot of it's because he's already athletic. He's

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Speaker 1: very good fifteen yards and under like, he's very accurate,

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Speaker 1: and he ball placements great, and he's coachable and tough.

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Speaker 1: With a lot of college stars. He does not throw

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Speaker 1: a great deep ball. But when I saw the Aikman

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Speaker 1: Caleb comps, it was such an eye roll. And if

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Speaker 1: you want to do comps that matter, let's do this.

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Speaker 1: Let's do blind resume. Let's get bow Knicks in the

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Speaker 1: current NFL his first twenty three stars. Okay, guys want

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Speaker 1: to do the blind resume. So basically the same resume

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Speaker 1: through twenty three starts of the guy in the right,

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Speaker 1: who's the guy in the right. First twenty three starts

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Speaker 1: the guy in the right who everybody fell in love with,

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and Dak had Zeke and the number one

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Speaker 1: offensive line in the league. Okay, so there you go.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it again. Well, well, I mean maybe Coliny,

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Speaker 1: I mean Dak's not that talented. Okay, Let's do a

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Speaker 1: blind resume where here bo Nix is much more accurate,

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Speaker 1: fewer turnovers, much higher passer rating through twenty three starts.

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Speaker 1: Let's see who this is. Josh Allen, I knew it,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Okay, well, I mean Colin, I mean that

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Speaker 1: was years ago. Let's go with a more you know,

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Speaker 1: contemporary twenty three starts. Well, here he lines up almost

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Speaker 1: the exact same quarterback. Again, somebody we don't push back on.

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Speaker 1: He's absolutely big, strong, capable, accurate guy. Who's this blind resume? Oh? CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud Again, I'm not doing Caleb and Aikman. I mean,

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Speaker 1: why not do y a tittle and you know? And CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud I mean, just nonsense. Okay, let's do another one. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll go back a few years. It's the same league,

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Speaker 1: but it's probably more of a passing league now than

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Speaker 1: it was then. But it's kind of close, fairly similar.

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Speaker 1: Bo Nick. This quarterback boy, this guy struggled with accuracy.

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Speaker 1: Who is passer rating was terrible? Who is that stiff? Okay,

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Speaker 1: that these comps are reasonable because the NFL rules during

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Speaker 1: all those quarterbacks, including Luck and bow Nicks, the rules

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Speaker 1: are the same. They have limited what defenses can do.

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Speaker 1: So you know, and I'll say this about bo Nicks,

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Speaker 1: I have identified, you have identified if you watch Bronco

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Speaker 1: fans know this. He doesn't get sacked. He's very athletic.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I would argue run more first two years

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Speaker 1: or in the league as a quarterback. Run if you

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Speaker 1: can until the green, the light comes on, until the

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Speaker 1: game slows down. He's coachable. He's gotten better last septemb

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Speaker 1: to October November. He gets better as the season goes on.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't take sacks, super athletic, and he's very good fifteen

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Speaker 1: yards an in now. He does not throw a great

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Speaker 1: deep ball. Okay, sorry, he's not Mahomes. He's not. But

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Speaker 1: I you know, Tony Gonzalez used to say, you know,

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Speaker 1: Ego has no amigo. He doesn't have any of that.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is, can can bone Nicks be? Can

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Speaker 1: we look at bon Nicks and go he's a top

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Speaker 1: twelve thirteen quarterback because until this season until this very season.

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Speaker 1: That's how we looked at Baker Mayfield, and that's how

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Speaker 1: we looked at Dak Prescott his entire career, and he's

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Speaker 1: probably better than that. So all the fandom for Dak

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Speaker 1: and Baker, I mean Baker before this year, you could argue,

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Speaker 1: is he a top twelve quarterback? By the way, y'all

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Speaker 1: love Brock Purty, you know, Brock Purdy had a trouble

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Speaker 1: winning games without Christian mccaffreynis doesn't always have a healthy

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Speaker 1: roster either. So I think bo Nicks has incredibly high expectations.

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Speaker 1: Dad was a coach. I think he's fine. I think

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Speaker 1: he's a franchise quarterback. I don't think he's a gifted

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Speaker 1: as Jaden Daniels. Uh right now, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he's Drake may but he's a franchise quarterback. Here's bo.

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely tough for myself.

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Speaker 4: I think it's just you know, how I grew up,

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Speaker 4: how it was, uh, you know, raised, My dad was

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Speaker 4: my coach, so he was tough on me, and then

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Speaker 4: you know, it just kind of just kind of continued.

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Speaker 1: It's it's tough, you know. I hate making mistakes.

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Speaker 4: I hate you know, not doing the correct thing, and

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Speaker 4: you know it can be tough on myself, but at

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Speaker 4: the same time, you know, I give myself some grace too,

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Speaker 4: and just you know, move on and go to the

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Speaker 4: next play. And I'm sure I'm gonna make another mistake,

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Speaker 4: and you know I'll fix that when it when it happens.

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Speaker 1: Now, I will say this, Patrick Mahomes didn't have these stumbles.

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Speaker 1: Patrick got Andy Reid got a set for a year,

657
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Speaker 1: had an incredible mentor. Bo Nicks went to a team

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Speaker 1: with the worst dead cap situation in league history. Peyton

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00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: made the offensive line highly serviceable year one. Now it's good.

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Speaker 1: So again, I like bow a lot. Will he be

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Speaker 1: a top twelve thirteen quarterback? I think it's absolutely fair.

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Speaker 1: He's probably about fifteen sixteen now, athletic, accurate, smart, coachable

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Speaker 1: again in a division with Herbert Harbaugh. Mahomes reed he

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Speaker 1: made the playoffs as a rookie. This league is about

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Speaker 1: winning games. I know Jay Macki's not your guy, but

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Speaker 1: I see a franchise quarterback that doesn't throw yet a

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Speaker 1: very good deep ball.

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Speaker 3: And may never Yeah, listen, I like Bo Nicks. I

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Speaker 3: know he's your boy.

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Speaker 7: He came into the studio, it seemed like the most

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Speaker 7: friendly quarterback who's been one of the most friendly quarterbacks

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Speaker 7: has been in here. That being said, this season, the

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Speaker 7: numbers have been awful calling Pro Football Focus, I know,

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Speaker 7: is just one data point we don't like PFF. Who's

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Speaker 7: grading the guys thirty ninth according to Pro footall fall.

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Speaker 3: Because then there's this other stat that you know.

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Speaker 7: EPA expected points at it he's twenty third among quarterbacks,

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Speaker 7: below Kyler Murray, Spencer Rattler, Jackson Dart. He just has

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Speaker 7: not been great play to play now, he hasn't a

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Speaker 7: lead defense backing him up. That's who bailed him out

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Speaker 7: against the Jets. I'm not saying he's tressed. I just

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Speaker 7: think he's a middling quarterback. We've got to see. I'll

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Speaker 7: remind you Baker Mayfield with the Browns made the playoffs,

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Speaker 7: was the winning quarterback in a playoff game at Pittsburgh. Remember,

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Speaker 7: and then the next year he was injured. Track to

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Speaker 7: play was a disaster and they dumped him.

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Speaker 1: Well, So like here, Sam Darnold and Baker are great

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Speaker 1: examples of you look up seven eight years into their

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Speaker 1: career or whatever it is, six years, seven years into

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Speaker 1: their career, and you go, I didn't know there was

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Speaker 1: this good Let's talk Dak Prescott. So I always said

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott was Kirk Cousins with better mobility and a

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Speaker 1: star in his helmet. But this year Dak is doing

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Speaker 1: something here in what year is it for Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 1: Now he's been in the NFL a decade, this is

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Speaker 1: the first year I can argue he has carried a

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Speaker 1: bad roster. He has no ceedee Lamb, he didn't have

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Speaker 1: a number one receiver, number one tight end. He's got

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Speaker 1: a good back, rebuilt offensive line of Tooci's defense. So

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Speaker 1: sometimes it takes a while for the truth to come out.

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Speaker 1: I always feel, usually by the middle of chapter two

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Speaker 1: of your book, I know who you are. You know Dak.

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Speaker 1: We're in chapter ten or eleven, and it's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's not Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins never took a defense

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Speaker 1: this bad with no number one receiver or tight end

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Speaker 1: and made it the best offense in the league. This

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Speaker 1: is a new Dak.

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Speaker 7: So let me ask you, though, is it a new

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Speaker 7: deck or have the circumstances changed.

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Speaker 3: Do they look at Dak and say, Dak, you're.

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Speaker 7: The highest paid quarterback in the league. We can't afford

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Speaker 7: a defense. Sorry, man, you've got to carry us. Whereas

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Speaker 7: early in his career, Hey, you're on the rookie deal,

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Speaker 7: you hand off. We got Zeke, we got Dez Bryant,

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Speaker 7: we got a great defense. You don't need to do

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Speaker 7: too much. And they played it safe with him. Well,

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Speaker 7: I think the circumstances have kind of changed.

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Speaker 1: I think unless you're a time five or six quarterback

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Speaker 1: in this league, you have great stretches and bad stretches.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Daniel Jones had a very very good stretch.

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Speaker 1: Will it continue? Bow Knicks last year had a ten

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Speaker 1: game stretch weeks eight through eighteen, one zero six passer rating,

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Speaker 1: seventy percent completion percentage, So he was batterly outstanding choppy

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Speaker 1: this season. That's the difference between Steph Curry and every

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Speaker 1: other guy that jacks threes nine out of ten nights.

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Speaker 1: I know what I get from Steph three. That is

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Speaker 1: literally the different everybody in the NBA. Almost everybody in

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Speaker 1: the NBA, every guard in the NBA can drop twenty

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Speaker 1: eight points on any given night. The difference is James

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Speaker 1: Harden in his prime gave it to you every night.

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Speaker 1: Jordan gave it to you every night. Lebron gave it

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Speaker 1: to you every night. Everybody in the Rudy Gay had

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Speaker 1: a lot of good knights. Rudy Gay's a good player.

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Speaker 1: He had a lot of good nights in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: The difference is the consistency. Takes a very good player

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Speaker 1: to an iconic player. So bow Nicks is in that

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Speaker 1: he's in that stretch where, Wow, he was good last

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Speaker 1: year for eight weeks. C J. Stroud unbelievable rookie year

739
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Speaker 1: steps back, doesn't get the offensive line protection as receivers

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Speaker 1: get hurt. Mahomes, Allen Lamar Burrow, those guys are the exception.

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Speaker 1: They're superstar players. Most quarterbacks in this league are bow Knicks.

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Speaker 1: Most franchise quarterbacks where you can go, you can go eight.

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Speaker 1: I mean Jalen Hurts has had great stretches. Now please

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Speaker 1: don't throw from the pocket. That's most quarterbacks in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Or don't like Mahomes. You can't tell if he's leading

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Speaker 1: or trailing. That's a great quarterback. Baker Mayfield has developed

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Speaker 1: into a quarterback. He's as good trailing as leading. Early

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Speaker 1: in his career he was great with a lead in

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Speaker 1: the run game. I didn't want Baker trailing. He was

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Speaker 1: too reckless. Now Baker or Sam Darnold, I don't care

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Speaker 1: what the score is. So you mentioned franchise quarterback earlier.

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Speaker 1: This is tough because it's early.

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Speaker 7: Like, do you think from what you've seen so far,

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Speaker 7: bo Nicks is going to get Fransist quarterback money because

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Speaker 7: that's when the equation changes dramatically.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Wow, But again that's three and a half years

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Speaker 1: from that.

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Speaker 3: He could be improved.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he could be an absolutely improved player. All I'm

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Speaker 1: saying is, with the exception of about four guys, one

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Speaker 1: of them not available, maybe maybe two. Lamar and Burrow

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Speaker 1: aren't currently available. With the exception like four or five

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Speaker 1: guys in this league, every franchise quarterback has bad stretches.

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Speaker 1: If the O line's hurt, you lose your top running game,

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Speaker 1: all of it, you know what I mean, Or you

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Speaker 1: get the wrong coach or coordinator. Almost a whole league

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Speaker 1: goes through bad cycles. It's just Dak His tangibles have

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Speaker 1: caught up to his intangibles and he's just a different

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Speaker 1: quarterback right now. So Sam and so's Baker lacing five

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Speaker 1: minutes