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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Zerruh, my heart cannot keep those windows shuts.

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Speaker 3: They're so bad at this whole security.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we just slid it open this time. I didn't

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Speaker 2: even have to do a screwdriver.

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Speaker 3: Nothing, nothing, just they leave the windows open. All this

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Speaker 3: equipment in here, which we could very easily paup.

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Speaker 2: We could howk this? Maybe we should we give at

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Speaker 2: least a couple of cars out of this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Mama needs some underpants next time.

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Speaker 2: I think the challenges we go from underneath from the basement.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we're getting that empty lot next.

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Speaker 2: Door to dig a hole. Let's do it, so Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: for our want to Get Away Week, Yeah, I wanted

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Speaker 2: to take a listen back to one of our listener favorites.

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Speaker 2: It's an episode folks often bring up in emails. Now,

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Speaker 2: you know how I love to read the news, terrible habit, right,

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Speaker 2: But also you know how I don't like Elon Musk,

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Speaker 2: so it makes it very difficult for me these days

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Speaker 2: to enjoy the news because he's everywhere. The dude is

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Speaker 2: in every section of the paper except for the sports section.

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Speaker 3: Give it time.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I saw this new story BYuT Elon Musk. This

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Speaker 2: one gave me a grin. Okay, it's about his plans

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Speaker 2: to colonize Mars, now, Elizabeth, would you believe it? Elon's

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Speaker 2: Mars Adventures may have a sex problem. Oh surprise, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: not that kind you didn't expect now, as in, like,

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Speaker 2: our human bodies were evolved and designed to operate on Earth,

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Speaker 2: and it may be extra difficult to make new Earthlings

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Speaker 2: if you're trying to do it on Mars.

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Speaker 3: Oh I thought that like all the candidates to go

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Speaker 3: or like sex offenders.

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Speaker 2: You're not sending a certain administration to Mars, Elizabeth. It

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Speaker 2: turns out that our physiology, particularly male physiology, may not

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Speaker 2: be cut out for frolican and forn cating on Mars.

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Speaker 2: We may be able to get there, but not be

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Speaker 2: able to get it up.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, and he's really concerned about Oh, that's growing populations

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Speaker 2: Oh my godness. Yeah, he's all into baby making and

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Speaker 2: population growth. But that's all in theory. Beats the road,

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Speaker 2: so to speak. Mars ain't the same, misserves when it

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Speaker 2: comes to making whoopee like okay. Twenty twenty three, Kelly

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Speaker 2: Wienersmith and her husband Zach Wienersmith. Their names the Wienersmith

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Speaker 2: They co wrote a book called A City on Mars

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Speaker 2: and the waiter Smiths. They criticized Elon and other billionaires

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Speaker 2: like him. To make their point, the wiener Smiths they

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Speaker 2: focus on possible penis problems for men of Mark because

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Speaker 2: it turns out men aren't for Mars, They're from Earth.

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Speaker 2: Right as the Wienersmith's put it quote, these billionaires think

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Speaker 2: it's an engineering problem. They think that if they get

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Speaker 2: a rocket that's big enough, biology will take care of itself.

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Speaker 2: But it won't, oh snarky. So once people are walking

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Speaker 2: around on the surface of Mars, they experienced only thirty

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Speaker 2: eight percent of the gravity they feel back on Earth.

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Speaker 2: That's bad news for boners.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh, due to low.

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Speaker 2: Blood flow in low G. Like if you thought low

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Speaker 2: T was an issue, wait till you're dealing with low G.

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Speaker 3: Wait. So when you're lighter because there's less gravity, you

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Speaker 3: also have lower blood press various.

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Speaker 2: We're used to pumping at certain amounts. So they're just

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Speaker 2: not quite sure what the low gravity environment could do

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Speaker 2: for say, the movement of sperm and egg. Also, if

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Speaker 2: Mars colonists are serious, like I think they'll probably want

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Speaker 2: to load up a bunch of little blue pills just

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Speaker 3: It's really hot there.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like for embryo like that, it's like for puberty,

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Speaker 2: musco skeletal growth like this all relies on gravity, and

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Speaker 3: Everyone's just jubbling and boneless.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, just soft bodied.

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Speaker 3: Bone, boneless wings up there.

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Speaker 2: So obviously this is some stuff that Elon Musk is

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Speaker 2: not fully considered his boneless future. So I was reading

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Speaker 2: about all this Mars Musk sex stuff, and it reminded

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Speaker 2: me of this story I told you a while back

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Speaker 2: about a similarly ill fated voyage into the unknown. Only

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Speaker 2: this is a misadventure, was designed to be sexy. Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: you remember the voyage of Oh.

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Speaker 3: My gosh, that's right. Both grown men who consider themselves

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Speaker 2: Yes, they make exactly and they're like, we'll get some

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Speaker 2: ladies and go over to this place. No one is

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Speaker 2: that'll change things. So bone voyage truly truly and enjoy. Hey,

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dutton Saren, I got a question for you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I do?

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Speaker 2: Oh Will hit me with it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, remember when I was telling you about Applebee's lip gloss.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, yes, it's still ridiculous. But I found another

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Speaker 2: Another lip gloss.

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Speaker 3: No, well, I'm going to tell you about Velveta right now.

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Speaker 3: At one point they did have Velveta nail polish, but

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Speaker 3: that's not what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: The process cheese.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like cheese scented nail polish, but aside

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Speaker 3: from that, that's not what I'm talking.

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Speaker 2: About, is holding your nails underneath your nose.

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Speaker 3: They invented the Veltini, the Velveta in Oh God, Martini.

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Speaker 3: It has Velveta infuse vodka, olive, Brian and vermouth in it,

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Speaker 2: you have cheese drip?

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Speaker 3: Yes, you do, and it's very important. If you want

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Speaker 3: to get one, you have to go to a BLT steakhouse,

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Speaker 3: which is apparently some chain of steakhouses. Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: Bacon lettuce tomato steakhouses.

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Speaker 3: I guess you have to order it in person in

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Speaker 3: their happy hour, which they call their Golden Hour, So

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Speaker 3: you can go to there's one.

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Speaker 3: There's one in New York, one in DC, one in Charlotte,

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Speaker 3: If you're not at any of those places, you can

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Speaker 3: actually order an online kit from gold Belly for fifty

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Speaker 3: cocktail shaker, two Velveta coasters, a jar of olives, cocktail picks,

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Speaker 2: Historians take note, this was when we took the turn.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so apparently it was a lot of people lost

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Speaker 3: that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I think of, in all honesty, if somebody served you

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Speaker 3: I would chug it and then go run in the road.

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Speaker 3: It's one of those things you'd probably like smell, like

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Speaker 3: like you're in a km lab and you waft the

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Speaker 3: like all right, then you take a sip, and then

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Speaker 3: I think that's the dividing line of humanity of the

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Speaker 3: people who are like, you know what, this is actually

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Speaker 2: I've always want to know a chemical platin hack and

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Speaker 2: snack of new cheer as he tasted like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: But a cheese martini, cheese an.

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Speaker 2: Alcohol together, I mean vodka and cheese. I mean, like

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Speaker 2: maybe for the solid cheese on ac.

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Speaker 3: Like freezing to death in the Siberian forest. All eat

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Speaker 2: That's your only consideration of Velvetina. That's it, Velvita teeny.

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Speaker 3: bag for an emergency.

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Speaker 2: There you go, rock out.

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Speaker 3: So that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one.

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Speaker 2: I have one for you.

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Speaker 3: Oh you do.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it reaches the heights of a

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Speaker 2: Velveta teeny, probably not. It's got I got two words

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Speaker 3: Oh boy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you had to guess, what do you

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Speaker 2: think those two words mean when used together?

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Speaker 3: I honestly don't know, but I will say that. Here's

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Speaker 3: the thing is that when we do these stories, we

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Speaker 3: But this isn't scripted. I don't know what you're going

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Speaker 3: and we have all these index cards with show ideas

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Speaker 3: on them. Oh yeah, and I've been quite yeah, I've

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Speaker 3: that just says sex raft. And I didn't know what

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Speaker 2: If the raft is a knocking, oh wait, the raft

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Speaker 2: is a rocking? Is that how it goes?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Though I don't come a knocking. This is Ridiculous Crime,

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Speaker 2: a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heiss and cons.

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Speaker 2: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and ridiculous Elizabeth Jarin.

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Speaker 2: I take you through the seventies often. Hm, I've got

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Speaker 2: one more story for you for the seventies. You'll have

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Speaker 2: to forgive me. But I saw this one and I

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Speaker 2: off my trifecta of seventies insanity.

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Speaker 3: I'm here for it.

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Speaker 2: Okay. The year is nineteen seventy three, and this is

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Speaker 2: when anthropologist Santiago Gienoves had a revolutionary idea. Okay, no,

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Speaker 2: so he thought. Now as an anthropologist, he concluded that

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Speaker 2: if you wish to understand violence in society, and you

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Speaker 2: should start with his most obvious observation, but yet one

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Speaker 2: he felt was integral to understanding violence in society. And

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Speaker 2: I quote most conflicts so are about sexual excess to

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Speaker 2: ovulating females.

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Speaker 2: To female ovulation was the key to world peace. Not

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Speaker 2: women's menstrual cycles, but rather the fight between men for

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Speaker 2: access and the controlling of access of the to them. Rather,

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Speaker 2: Santiago's big idea was to find a way to counteract

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Speaker 2: this male tendency to violence. He's like, you know, we

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Speaker 2: just have to work out this access to female ovulation.

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Speaker 2: But he didn't say, like, oh, ladies, you need to

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Speaker 2: like bend to the boil of men. He's like, no,

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Speaker 2: that's not the easy answer. I've got a better answer,

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Speaker 2: sex raft. So Mike, Noah, he built an arc, except

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Speaker 2: for instead of taking two of each animal, he decided

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Speaker 2: he'd build his arc and invite ten young attractive strangers

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Speaker 2: to join him for a boat ride across the Atlantic Ocean.

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Speaker 3: Worst reality show ever?

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Speaker 2: What are you talking about? A sexy slow boat to

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Speaker 2: Mexico for him, intends SEXI a strangers sounds so bad going.

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Speaker 2: It's reality TV before they even never thought of reality TV. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is anthropologist. He is a real like professor. He's

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Speaker 2: a in a university in Mexico. He has twenty years

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Speaker 3: Good point.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, all I get to say is what exactly?

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Speaker 2: Second question that pops to mind, why would a professor

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Speaker 3: Because it's sex raft? I don't know, you know, it

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Speaker 3: Did he get a divorce?

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Speaker 2: That's another good, solid day.

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Speaker 3: But no, it is like a midlife I'll.

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Speaker 3: But no, But the other thing I read in the

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a violent thing. They were after the power

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Speaker 3: So, dude was on a plane that got hijacked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Santiago, he's on a flight to Mexico City

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Speaker 3: I admit, that's an interesting trauma response exactly.

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Speaker 2: So there is a documentary called The Raft by filmmaker

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Speaker 2: it all started with a hijacking in November nineteen seventy two.

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Speaker 2: When the hijacking was over, I realized if I could

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Speaker 2: There is Pinochet has just led was about to lead

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Speaker 2: And he's like, sex raft, that's the answer, man. I

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Speaker 2: All right? Sure, now, so I say that all of this. Now,

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Speaker 2: in this case is basically the guy running the criminals. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Well on the international waters. No one can hear you scream.

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Speaker 2: No, that's is very, very true. So after this short break,

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Speaker 2: we'll climb aboard the journey of sex Raft. Oh okay,

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Speaker 2: so it was the press who called this boat sex raft.

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Speaker 2: Like Santiago was around going, hey, guys, got hop on

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Speaker 2: Well, Santiago. He called his boat something far more demure

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Speaker 2: How big is this raft, oh girl? About twenty one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, it's a little there's a lot of people

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Speaker 2: where you're supposed to steer the boat because that's pretty

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00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 2: much all that very simple rudder. You know, they didn't

438
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,919
Speaker 2: but they can't power. They can't power. They can go

439
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 2: back and forth like they're just going, but it's just

440
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 2: basically to help them steer out of the way of

441
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 2: the shipping lanes because if they get into the shippings,

442
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 2: the big supertankers will just crush them and then they'll

443
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 2: see them. They'll just be chumped from thank you.

444
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 3: I just that clarification.

445
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 2: So Santiago he has this dream. He's like, the women

446
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 2: will run my sex rush. So he says, and I quote,

447
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,000
Speaker 2: I wonder if having women in power will lead to

448
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 2: less violence or more men will become more frustrated when

449
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: women are in charge and try to take over power.

450
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: So he's like ginning up everything with like setting.

451
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 3: Up situation after a situation. In terms of his analysis

452
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 3: that it's the women's fault.

453
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 2: Implication is always this is hinged on women, and we

454
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 2: have to we can control women or negotiate women better.

455
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 2: You see right through the game. But you know, he

456
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 2: has a certain machismo. He is He's from Mexico, so

457
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 2: he has a little bit that that Spanish language machismo

458
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 2: where he's thinking about and you'll hear later on in quotes,

459
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 2: I'll tell you he thinks of himself very much as

460
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: a man. Right, so women should be women. So there's

461
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 2: this really hard dichotomy. He does not have like a

462
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 2: spectrum of people before him. There are two types of people.

463
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 2: So anyway, so the captain of his sex raft is

464
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 2: a woman. Santiago travels to Sweden to personally meet Maria Bjornson.

465
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 2: So she's a professional Swedish sea captain, one of the

466
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 2: first women to become a professional sea captain. Now the

467
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: idea initially sounds ludicrous to her. She is a legitimate

468
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 2: professional sea captain. So she's like a raft with no power,

469
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 2: no sales, nothing, You've just got and you got ten

470
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 2: sexy strangers, and you go on, is there food on

471
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 2: this boat.

472
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,719
Speaker 3: Of ten sexy strangers?

473
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 2: And you always he's exempt from that, this true descendant

474
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 2: of Viking culture. She signs on for this adventure.

475
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 3: She's like, you know what's likeababe, yeah, everything say that's wrong.

476
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: I'm doing it though. So for the rest of the

477
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 2: Chris Santiago asks for volunteers. He's like, I got enough

478
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 2: budget for this one. So he plays ads in international

479
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 2: newspapers all around the world and his respondents they see

480
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 2: this ad and here's the ad. I'll read it to

481
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,239
Speaker 2: you because if you were opening the newspaper in you know,

482
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 2: New Delhi, and you're saying, oh, what what is on

483
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: the paper? Oh? Look, I need a job. Expedition leader

484
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: looks for volunteers to sail on a raft across the Atlantic.

485
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 2: Duration three months. Males and females preferably married, but participation

486
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 2: without spouse. Age twenty five to forty. Write letter and

487
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: details curriculum VITA to box zero three seven eight A.

488
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 2: The times applications will be kept confidential.

489
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 3: He wants them married, but they don't bring the spouse.

490
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: Yes, because he wants more conflict. He wants them to

491
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: be able to have something that's restricting their choices.

492
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 3: This is so chaotic.

493
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 2: Yes, now would you apply?

494
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 4: No?

495
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 3: Oh?

496
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 4: What so?

497
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 3: Wait and does he didn't ask for a headshot.

498
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 2: No, for sure.

499
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 3: He's going to be like a tasteful news or you know,

500
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 3: give me your in your und things.

501
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: He uh he does?

502
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 3: I mean, like, so he's gonna to verify sexiness in

503
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: an interview.

504
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, he'll he'll take care of that in person,

505
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: got it. He needs to be in the room with

506
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 2: that of sex.

507
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: I can't process.

508
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: Hundreds of people apply. Ten strangers are selected.

509
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: Hundreds of out of the whole planet.

510
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 2: The whole planet. I mean, it was it was in

511
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 2: like the newspapers, and it's like in the want ads,

512
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: and it's under expedition later, so you had to keep

513
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: all this in mind. So the people he gets to

514
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 2: come from different ethnicities, nationalities, socioeconomic backgrounds. But at the time,

515
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 2: the press summed this up a little bit differently than

516
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 2: I'm summing it up.

517
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 3: Now.

518
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: Here's how they described it. Quote the raft. This is

519
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 2: from a UPI wire service report spread all around the world.

520
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,880
Speaker 2: The raft expected to drift across the Atlantic at about

521
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: two miles per hour, will carry two Jews, an arab

522
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 2: An African, one black, and one white American, a Swede,

523
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: a Greek, a french Woman, a Japanese, an Uruguayan, and Genovese. Wait,

524
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: that's how the press is pitching it. Like it's like

525
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: a box of crayolic crayons of people.

526
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 3: It's like a Benetton ad that like is into a

527
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 3: bar shoke exactly.

528
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: So the Santiago's goal, as you've noticed, is to make

529
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: this toll trip about is as difficult and as dangerous

530
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: as possible, fraught with tension, racial dynamics, anything he can

531
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 2: do to make people be likely to come to blows.

532
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 3: Right.

533
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so these ten fortunate strangers they meet at

534
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: the dock in Los Palmas, Spain and the Canary Islands

535
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: on May eleventh, nineteen seventy three. They all load onto

536
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: the sex Draft and they will spend the next three

537
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: months together on this boat that is, as you asked,

538
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: twenty one feet by thirty six feet Santiago. He's planning, also,

539
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: by the way, to collect data for his semi weekly questionnaires,

540
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 2: which will feature questions like to whom do you feel

541
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: the closest to and why who annoys you the most

542
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 2: on the raft? With whom on the acollie have you

543
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 2: had sexual contact if you could get rid of one

544
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: of the others, who would it be?

545
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 3: This is these are like this is like a high

546
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: school bullaker girl quiz that she hands around class.

547
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,959
Speaker 2: Wow, so yes, it's with less ethics.

548
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 3: Did they make sure that did he try and make

549
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 3: sure they were all diagnosed with angry issues already?

550
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: Or like he had people that need.

551
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 3: Have mood stabilized to keep them from them.

552
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: There's no mention about that, Like there's no mental health

553
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: inventory on these people. But they come from some dire

554
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: situations as we'll get into. Oh, there's also one big problem.

555
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: Some of the participants didn't realize that they were going

556
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: to be part of a science experiment until they were

557
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: aboard the raft. They were like, wait, you're doing what now?

558
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 3: They just thought they were going to chill on a raft.

559
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what the ocean. I have no idea

560
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,239
Speaker 2: what they thought. But they showed up thinking like, yeah, man,

561
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: it's cool. I got a free boat ride across the

562
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: Atlantic anyway.

563
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 3: Also, then you're really getting stable, sane folks.

564
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 2: Exactly.

565
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

566
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: So on the day the ship leaves, if you can

567
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 2: believe it, the United Nations sends the message to the

568
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 2: Ecolie wishing them success on their acknowledging that the importance

569
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: for the hope for all people on earth, for world

570
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: peace to be discovered through sex rap.

571
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 3: I thought for sure you were going to say, the

572
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 3: UN sent a message, get back to shore now, stop it,

573
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 3: you stub it right now.

574
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 2: No, it was more like, good luck, sex Raft. The

575
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 2: people aren't counting on you. God speed, go where no

576
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: man and women have gone before without having sex.

577
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: There they all stood on the shore with like a

578
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: single tear dropping down their cheek. It's beautiful.

579
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: The sex Raft is going to be in and out

580
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 2: of radio contact, and so they're suppose they're scheduled to

581
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: get a weather report every couple of days over the radio.

582
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: When they can make contact, and they're also once a

583
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 2: week when he when Santiago can make contact, he's gonna

584
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: give a general status update and relay some of his

585
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 2: notes and so forth. So they're gonna be literally on

586
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: their own for days at a time. Nobody will know

587
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: where they are in the world.

588
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 3: Like fishing and stuff.

589
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they're gonna have to collect food from the

590
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: from the water, so there they'll be fishing, They'll be drafted.

591
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: They have a plenty of food to make it the.

592
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 3: Thirty How do they get fresh water?

593
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: They have fresh water, They have all the they are

594
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: provisioned for the trip, but they are still going to

595
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: be fishing for extra protein and so forth in fresh

596
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 2: fresh meat. So time to meet the crew.

597
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, definitely.

598
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: Okay, So we have already met Santiago Jenovese Tatazi, who

599
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: is the forty nine year old Mexican anthropologist who is

600
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 2: the captain of.

601
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 3: This and Captain Creeper.

602
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: Then there's also Captain Maria Bjornstam from Sweden. She's thirty

603
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: years old. She's the first female Priess captain. Then there

604
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: are four men on the raft. There is Jose Maria

605
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: Montero Perez. He is a thirty four year old Oroguayan

606
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: former student of Santiago. Then there's a radio operator Charles Anthony.

607
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: He's thirty seven years old. He's a Greek Cypriot. And

608
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: there's Isuki Yamaki. He's a twenty nine year old cameraman

609
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: from Japan. He speaks only Japanese and a smattering of Spanish.

610
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: Then there is Bernardo Bongo. He's twenty nine year old

611
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: from Angola. He's also a Catholic priest. A Catholic priest

612
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: on board because why not sure? Because being Mexican, He's like,

613
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: this will up the tension because they won't want to

614
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: get sexy in front of the priest. Everyone else is

615
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: like really yes, and then he tries to see if

616
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: the priest will have sex with people. It's a whole thing. Yeah,

617
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: So Santiago and vice the priest because of the sexual tension,

618
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 2: and they tries to get the priest to like get

619
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: involved in the sexual attention and none of it goes well.

620
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: Now for the five women participants, there are two scientists

621
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: aboard that we have a Rashida Manzani. She is a

622
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: twenty three year old from Algeria. She's going to conduct

623
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: a study on ocean pollution, right. And then there's Servan Zanotti.

624
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: She's a thirty two year old from France. She is

625
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: the ship's frogman or the scuba diver. He's gonna do

626
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: any repairs on the steel understructure. Then there's Edna Jonas.

627
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: She's thirty two years old. She's a Czechoslovakian resident who's

628
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: living in Israel, and she is the ship's doctor. Then

629
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: there's finally the two Americans picked for their racial complexities.

630
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: There is Fay Evangelina Seymour. She's one of the youngest members.

631
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: She's twenty three years old. She is a black woman,

632
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: and she is the ship's radio operator. Then there is

633
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: the American white woman, a mother of three named Mary Gidley,

634
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: who is thirty six year olds old, responsible for navigation

635
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: and running from her husband who had tried to assault her,

636
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: a killer basically, and so she's on the trip to

637
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: get away from him, and.

638
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 3: So she leaves her three kids with their husband.

639
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: Huh, we've met everyone aboard the ship. Elizabeth. I'd like

640
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: to close your eyes and picture I don't want it.

641
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: I do not want to picture this.

642
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: It's May eleventh, nineteen seventy three and they are climbing

643
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: aboard the Acolleague aka sex Raft. Now you signed on

644
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: as this ship's cruise director. And as you poured the sea,

645
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: spray is wetting your face, The wind is blowing your

646
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: hair about, the sun warms your shoulders. The journey you've

647
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: waited fore finally here site bit palpable as the sound

648
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: of the seabirds above you. And as you gaze out

649
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 2: of that wide expanse of watery blue, that'll be your

650
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: home for the next three months. Oh, you decide to

651
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: dip into the cabin and see what's going on inside.

652
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: No, I don't.

653
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: You are the cruise directors, so you know, get to

654
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: know the rest of the girl. At the hatch, you

655
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: can hear Captain Maria on the ship's radio, your new boss,

656
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: and that's cruise ship director. You're like, let me go

657
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: check us up the ship's vibe. I'm going to meet

658
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: my boss. So you clock her vibe and you notice

659
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: seems a bit off, like what's up a homegirl. She's

660
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: talking on the radio with her boyfriend, Oh off, and

661
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: he's on the tugboat that is currently towing the Sex

662
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: Draft out into the open ocean.

663
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: Current.

664
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: Now soon you will be set adrift to float across

665
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: the Atlantic. This is your last contact with society and civilization.

666
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: And over the radio, the boyfriend ohl Off, he sounds worried.

667
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: He's really focused at the moment on the legal paperwork,

668
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: and he's had time while he's on the tugboat to

669
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: actually read over the contract friend Maria was asked to sign.

670
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: And all Off is a little worried, like very worried.

671
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: You can hear the concern in his voice. You're like,

672
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: that doesn't sound like a person who is chill. And

673
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: over the radio static you hear him say, nobody looked

674
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: through the contract, which seems to be a slave contract.

675
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: Really it says that you should give up your body,

676
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: your mind and everything to Santiago, is that a method

677
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: of a scientist? No, what do you think about? Did

678
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: tell me the truth? You watch she grabs the radio

679
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: and she responds to him, No, it wasn't written in

680
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: anything about mind. And you look at Maria You're like, wow,

681
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: she's cool as all hell, unflappable.

682
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: It's like personally flipping through the contract that I just signed.

683
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: Oh no no no no no no no.

684
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: No no no mind And body, mind and body. So

685
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: she's over there suppressing this little rebellious smile. She knows something.

686
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: She either seems that she's down for the adventure, but Ola,

687
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 2: he's unsweet. He's just like freaking out. He's like, it

688
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: was about the mind and about the body. You should

689
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: do whatever he wants to at any time. That means you,

690
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: as captain might get in trouble with him. And Captain

691
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: Maria looks at you, she rolls her eyes and she's

692
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: like whatever. She presses the button on the radio and

693
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: she's like, you know what I think about that paper?

694
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: I didn't sign it. Oh, I've asked her one time. Wait, wait,

695
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: do you want to stay on the raft? Then she's

696
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: like hmm, and you're like, I don't know if I

697
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: want to say.

698
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: I'm busy putting on the goggles and the snorkele. I'm

699
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: getting ready to junk.

700
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: So you're literally now holding you're waiting like unbaited breath

701
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: for waiting to see what she's gonna say. And then

702
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: you hear Captain Maria. She holds the button down to

703
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: the radio and she says, I'm going to stay on

704
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: the raft, and you're like, what she'd wants to take

705
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: the adventure. Meanwhile, you grab the radio fromer. You're like, oh,

706
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: bring the swing that tugboat over here off and he

707
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: does as told. He swings the tugboat over. You were

708
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: able to hop off the sex raft. They throw the

709
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: rope back over and the tugboat says good luck, and

710
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: you and the tug boat go back to civilization. A

711
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: sex raft glides into.

712
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: The sea, and I lived happily ever after two reasonable people.

713
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: So you dotch that very very sexy bullets.

714
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: Oh well, sorry, I have to wonder why did you

715
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: get off the raft because I'm not I don't.

716
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: Trust Santiago in the legal contract. No trust these ten

717
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: sexy strangers.

718
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 3: Not a lick.

719
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: Okay, well then I'll just tell you what life is

720
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: like on the sex raft without you.

721
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'll hear about it. I'm not going to

722
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: do it. Well.

723
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: For one, he's got a lot of rules, which is,

724
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: you know whatever, it's a science experiment, there's going to

725
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: be rules. So he insists that there's no reading. No

726
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: no reading of books, and no nobody brought magazines but

727
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: no reading of books. Right, So what they are allowed

728
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: to do to entertain themselves for the endless hours aboard

729
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: this sex raft is they are allowed to sing songs

730
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: or to tell stories from their own lives.

731
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 3: Oh that sounds great.

732
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: Yeah right, so this the idea is for people to

733
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: get bored and then to either become annoyed and get

734
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 2: violent or to like find deeper parts of themselves.

735
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: You got me there in like five minutes. That's why

736
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: I had to bounce out.

737
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: You're off that boat so bad.

738
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 3: I want to hear people singing and telling me there's

739
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: stupid stories. Oh yeah.

740
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 2: And also, by the way, in the first few days,

741
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: people are just vomiting everywhere. They're getting seasick and just

742
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: puking on each other. It's just it's a horrible scene.

743
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: People are like heads over the side of the boat

744
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: most of the first couple of days because you know,

745
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 2: not people who are used to the sea. And Maria

746
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: borns them. She's like cool with everyone.

747
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 3: Else is like yeah, they're all in their sexy bikinis,

748
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 3: all sunburn and pukin. They'll thank you.

749
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: And as I told you, they have to stay on

750
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: out of the shipping lanes. So that's their big fight, right.

751
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: So they're worried about supertankers while they're floating along, so

752
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: they're like they're heads over the side, they're puking and

753
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: looking for supertankers. Those are the first two days on

754
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 2: sex raft.

755
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: Sounds great.

756
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: Now for the bathroom, mind you, they have this little

757
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 2: area where you can kind of like.

758
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: I wondered about that, but I'm so gross.

759
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: It's like kind of like you know, like the front

760
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: like the prows of some boats. They'll have like the

761
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: little area where you can stand as like a U.

762
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: So they have like that, but it's off the side

763
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: of the raft, and it's in that little U there

764
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: they have like a platform and you could sit on

765
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: the platform and do your business. And then for like

766
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: menstruating women, they get a little worried about the sharks

767
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: in the water because like I'm just sitting up here,

768
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 2: a bloody target just dripping a trail for these people.

769
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:25,959
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

770
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. So the women, they have to do that

771
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: three months, so that's three cycles they're going through at least, right,

772
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: none of them. Yeah, anyway, that was the wait.

773
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 3: So they're worried about there. You know what, I don't

774
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,479
Speaker 3: want to hear it. Keep going.

775
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: Now you may be wondering, Saren, but what about all

776
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: the sex on the sex raft. No, it was are

777
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: they hitting it? Zarin Elizabeth. I'm glad you asked, yes

778
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: they are hitting it, but like yes, but where do

779
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 2: like one, two, three people go to have sex on

780
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: a sex raft. You know it's twenty one feet by

781
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: thirty six feet, right, and they got ten ten people

782
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 2: with them at all times. So where do you go? Well,

783
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: you can wait till nightfall and you go on top

784
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: of that little like rooftop on the cabin start you

785
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: can hear you banging away up top. Or you can

786
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 2: go like hang out by a look on the walls

787
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: and pretend like you're vomiting or they're vomiting and you're

788
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: holding their hair. The other one is that you can

789
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: if you're the helmsman, if you have the rudder and

790
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 2: you're alone at night, you can like you got one

791
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: hand on the rudder and the other hand on your lover.

792
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: And then they make that one work. In fact, Edna

793
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: of the Israeli doctors, she tells the story. She says,

794
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 2: quote for me, it was not about the love, it

795
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: was about friendship. It was complicated to have sex on

796
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: the raft because other people could always see you. Well,

797
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: maybe if two people were on guard together and you

798
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: were a little quick, then maybe it was possible, but

799
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: it was tricky because you had to use one hand

800
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: for steering. So she was out there hit and while she.

801
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 3: Was starting on the old ss urinary tractor section.

802
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 2: So following all these sexy tropes of the day, men

803
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 2: all agreed that the French woman was the sexiest, and

804
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: the women all agreed that the Uruguayan scientist he was

805
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 2: the hottest man aboard. So there was this consensus on who,

806
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: if they were, who they'd want to be knocking boots with,

807
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: which made some problems as well. So Santiago knows all

808
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: of this because he's asked them who would you want

809
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 2: to sleep with on the questionnaire. So he's going to

810
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: start poking at that scene if he can, like prime

811
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 2: things to get things going now. Meanwhile, as this raft

812
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: is drifting across the sea, the captain begins to hate Santiago,

813
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: like just literally despise him, right, and this is not

814
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: lost on Santiago. He records in his notes and I

815
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: quote today during dinner, Captain Maria asked me, in front

816
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 2: of the whole group, what I really want to achieve

817
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: with the experiment. Everyone got silent and waited for my answer.

818
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: I told her that I want to find a way

819
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: to create peace on earth. She just rolled her eyes

820
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: and looked away. Yes, yes, but he does also start

821
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: to get what he wants because now violence is starting

822
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: to rear its ugly head. So this all happens when

823
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: a the folks on the raft they pull something out

824
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: of the ocean that changes who all of the humans

825
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: are and in relationship to each other the kraken. After

826
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: this little break, I'll tell tell you what they pulled

827
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: from the sea and how this crazy sex raft journey

828
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: comes to a wild colony.

829
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 5: Oh boy, so Elizabeth Sarens, you got free of the

830
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 5: sex raft.

831
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 3: Thank god.

832
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: Everyone else is still on the boat, rocking their way

833
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 2: across the Atlantic, and now they've dropped their line into

834
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: the sea that will change everything. So what happened is

835
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: one of the dudes was fishing and he caught a shark,

836
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: and he pulls his shark aboard. This trigger is like

837
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: a bloodlust because he decides he needs to beat the

838
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: shark to death, which is often what happens when you

839
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 2: have a shark on board. You get a wooden club,

840
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 2: you hit him in the head, a few times. But

841
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: he does this and then it gets a little extra

842
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 2: and then the other people they all also get a

843
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 2: little keyed up. Right, and I quote from Santiago's notes, Okay,

844
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: look he said the heart is still beating. It was

845
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 2: like turning on a switch. Suddenly everyone wanted to feel

846
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: the flesh that was still warm with life. Finally here

847
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: it was the violent behavior that I've been waiting for.

848
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: But to my surprise, it didn't come from sexual jealousy

849
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: or from conflicts between the participants. Instead, we witness a

850
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: clear example of crowd frenzy, where people no longer act

851
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: as individuals, but as part of a dangerous collective.

852
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: That's some Lord of the Flies exaction there.

853
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Piggy's about to get it. So so this though,

854
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 2: is the only flash of violence that he really gets

855
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 2: to see on his boat.

856
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: Really, that was it.

857
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: They get their own little flash, They get a blood

858
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: lust up. He gets to see the potential for the

859
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: group violence dynamic. And then everything just settles down. And

860
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 2: now they're like, you know, almost halfway across the sea,

861
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: and he's like, oh man, what am I going to do?

862
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 2: So Santiago's he's getting disappointed with these people He's like,

863
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: they're frustrating my expen. They're trying to doom me. He

864
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: gets yes, so he says, and I quote, they clearally

865
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: don't understand what I'm trying to do. Instead of supporting me,

866
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: they behave like a bunch of children, and they are

867
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: getting lazy. No one seems to remember that we are

868
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: out here trying to find an answer to the most

869
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: important question of our time. Can we do without war?

870
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: So he instigates violence.

871
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 3: So they can do without it. He can't the.

872
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: One, He's the one who brings the violence into it.

873
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: He's like, I gotta go with what I know and

874
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: what I love. So he takes that big button marked

875
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: emotional distress and he just twists it as hard as

876
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 2: he can. He calls for a ship's meeting and he

877
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 2: informs everybody got to come to the ship's meeting. They'll

878
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 2: get there and he's like, look, things are going to change.

879
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: Like what do you mean what things are going to change?

880
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: You kick somebody off the boat and he's like, no, no,

881
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: but you know your questionnaires. Okay, We're gonna play a

882
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: little game today called the game of truth. And I quote,

883
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: I began by saying that Edna has written that she

884
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: wants to have sex with jose Maria, but jose Maria

885
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: has written that he thinks Edna is the most annoying

886
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: woman he has ever met because she talks all the time.

887
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: These feelings can't be hidden anymore. They have to stop

888
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: being so afraid of confrontation and be open about what

889
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: they really feel about each other. So that I can

890
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 2: finally get some material to study. He read their diary

891
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: diaries like this is now one of the most unethical

892
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: experiments ever she does.

893
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: It's like mean girls on a raft like this it

894
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: Stanford Prison experiment with mean girls on a boat.

895
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: And he's not done so more controversy. He goes after

896
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 2: the youngest member of the crew, the black woman from

897
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: America Fee. He calls her a quote, a primitive and

898
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: a thief and lazy in order to see if calling

899
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: her black stereotypes will set her off. He just does it. No,

900
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 2: of course not she She didn't go for that. She's like, man,

901
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: you think that this, I'm from America. You need to

902
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: try a little harder. That's all you're gonna throw at me,

903
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 2: right So, but he's still desperate for results. His racism

904
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 2: doesn't work, So he's like, what can I do? So

905
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: he just keeps reading their diaries. He's just doing anything

906
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 2: he can to foment like anger, intension, and aggression. Meanwhile,

907
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: back in civilization, his colleagues have taken to the newspapers

908
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: and they have denounced him as a total quack. And

909
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,280
Speaker 2: so they have written a letter and it has been published

910
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: in the press around the world. And he eventually hears

911
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: about this over the ship's runway.

912
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: And apseiagal comes and drops the newspaper.

913
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, exactly right. So during the weekly call,

914
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: he and mind you and ee can hear the radio

915
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: so everybody else, but they're all going to get the

916
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: fact that he gets unmasked though, and I quote from Santiago.

917
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: One of the articles is a statement signed by some

918
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 2: of my colleagues at the university where I've been working

919
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: for over twenty years. They write that the publicity about

920
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: the sex raft is bad for the reputation of the

921
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: university and from now on they don't want to have

922
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 2: anything to do with me or my expedition. He's risted

923
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 2: all for this, and he's become basically a failure in

924
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: his career, a total like you know, outcast. And also

925
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: now he's the emotional dictator on a sex.

926
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: Raft, so let's look good on LinkedIn.

927
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: Oh totally. Now at this bround this point, the radio

928
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 2: goes silent, and he wasn't He didn't like break the radio.

929
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: It just happened to go silent, right, So they end

930
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: up getting lost and they drift out of radio contact

931
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: for four days, and so people have to wonder did

932
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: the sex raft sink somewhere in the Atlantic. Planes are

933
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 2: sent up in the sky to try to find sex

934
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 2: Raft multiple days past. Finally, on July eighteenth, the search

935
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: plane spots, Hey, that's sex raft. So the crew is okay,

936
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: the people wave. Everyone's like, yeah, we're still here naked

937
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: on ship. No, not really hip, but they're safe and

938
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: they're about to enter the Caribbean sea right And I

939
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: say they're safe, I mean in that moment because right

940
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 2: behind them is a hurricane that's forming in the warm

941
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: waters of the Atlantic.

942
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

943
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: Because Captain Maria knew about this. She's like, look, we're

944
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: leaping too late or season if if we drift too

945
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: long we get blown off shore, we could have it.

946
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: She's like, don't worry, I'm from this area. So she's like, Okay,

947
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: I don't know anyway. Santiago, when he hears about this

948
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 2: coming storm, he's stoked. He's totally thrilled. He's like, yes,

949
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: this is what could be the necessary bit to push

950
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 2: my experiments over the top. Pure survival. Man versus nature,

951
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 2: humanity versus the sea, Captain Ahab versus the great white whale.

952
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 2: He sees it, all right, and he's just counting all

953
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: with Captain Maria. She's like, look, I'm taking the sex

954
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: raft and I'm parking it in a Caribbean island, the

955
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: closest one that we can get to. He's like no,

956
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 2: She's like, what are you talking about? No, I'm the captain.

957
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 3: What's he going to do to her?

958
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: Oh? He says, I quote from Santiago. If the group

959
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 2: comes in contact with civilization, it will contaminate the experiment.

960
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: We need to keep ourselves isolated and stay at sea.

961
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: For the sake of science. We must continue, no matter

962
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: what everyone else is like, don't matter what is my life? Mother?

963
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: Right? I would just if I'm the captain, I just

964
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: say I'm the captain now, and then I just all right,

965
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 3: So I go and I park the boat. I be

966
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 3: be back in gonna do dude.

967
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 2: So Captain Maria, she's got these ten people counting on it.

968
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: This is exactly what her boyfriend Olaf warned her about.

969
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: She was thinking about sex. Now He's like, oh, met

970
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 2: my life, right.

971
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, but now I'm with Olaf exactly.

972
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 2: You're cool. You and Olaf are starting your new life together.

973
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 3: Exactly.

974
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: Both of you are like being like logistical and safe.

975
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: Reading all the sign prints.

976
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: You're right, they're working on that. It's creating that hig

977
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: Swedish life, all coziness. So their lives are in the

978
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: hands of Captain Maria, right, And she's like, Okay, I

979
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: understand what I have to do now. Santiago he as

980
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: I said earlier, He's like no, emphatically no. And so

981
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: I quote once again from Santiago. Maria said she can't

982
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: take that responsibility as a captain. I told her. In

983
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: that case, she is no longer the captain of the raft.

984
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: From now on, I am the captain. So you were

985
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 2: close the captain, real close. But this is the poet

986
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: the story where the feces hits the fans, right, So

987
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: the science experiment is totally off the rails. The sex

988
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: raft is about to lose all of their lives to

989
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: a hurricane. So what do they do. They batten down

990
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: the hatches. They steal up through the sex Raft is

991
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: best they can. Now keep in mind they are on

992
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: a metal square in the middle of a herd. Yes

993
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 2: so important to Santiago, most important and more important than

994
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: anyone's lives on the thing is his notes and the

995
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: camera equipment recording the experiment. So he gets those all

996
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: put in plastic bags and then he's like, okay, now

997
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: we are good. Lock the doors in the raft.

998
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: So are there pictures of this rat Yeah, they're pictures

999
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: of the raft.

1000
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: I'll put them up, thank.

1001
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: You, because I need to see.

1002
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: Yes, because in case this raft sinks, he wants his

1003
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: experiments to move on because the dancers of world peace.

1004
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 2: All right, So the hurricane is about it hit Sex Raft.

1005
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: The skies are growing dark, the rains have come, the

1006
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: seas begin to pitch and roll. The storm strikes, and

1007
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: they all sit there in silence, wondering what's going to

1008
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 2: come of the rest of their tiny little lives in

1009
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 2: this vast, vast ocean, locked in the metal box with

1010
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: a madman, and the hurricane luckily passes over them. They

1011
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 2: don't get the eye of the storm. They get the

1012
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: backside of the you know, coming from the south. The

1013
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 2: back side is not terrible.

1014
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, on sex raft, the backside is not danger. Why

1015
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 3: do you set these things up? Okay?

1016
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: Because I like you?

1017
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1018
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 2: Santiago records in his notes that quote, the hurricane must

1019
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 2: have changed directions and only brushed us by the tail.

1020
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 2: I looked at Maria, but she did not look back.

1021
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 2: So Maria is still does not giving him. I almost notice.

1022
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: Now at this point, Santiago's mutiny is officially changed everything

1023
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: because the crisis he had hoped for, that all the

1024
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 2: dreams of violence and aggression had come to pass, and

1025
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 2: he's the source of all the dreams of aggression envirolence.

1026
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 2: So he becomes the crew's whole focus of their ultra

1027
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: violet fantasies. And they're sitting there and they've decided that

1028
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: Santiago is a threat to them. In the words of

1029
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: a Tom Clancy novel, he is a clear and present danger.

1030
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: So they decide, we may have to kill him. We're like,

1031
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: we're weeks from the shore, but we may have to

1032
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: kill him. So they have a meeting about it. Now

1033
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 2: three of them get on top of the roof of

1034
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 2: the boat and late at night they talk about explainable

1035
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: accidents and like how a person could fall off a boat,

1036
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: and like what would happen if during the next storm

1037
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 2: somebody just fell over, like one quick and dirty accident,

1038
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: We're all suddenly safe, alright, So like another one face.

1039
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 2: She's like, well, what about if we just took all

1040
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: the ship's medicine and we just gave him all of it?

1041
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: And I was like oh, They're like yeah, so this

1042
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: is by the way. This is Mary the white American,

1043
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: Fae the Black American, and Asuki the Japanese guy. They

1044
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: are the three plotters trying to decide to kill him,

1045
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: and they all agree that.

1046
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 3: This is a sky only speaks Japanese and Spanish.

1047
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're doing like hand gestures of the kill kills,

1048
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: like hot shuts. He take the needle in. They are

1049
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: load it up again. She's like quoting from the Murder

1050
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 2: on the Orient Express is like the dream of like

1051
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 2: we put all of our hands on the plunger and

1052
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: we all pushed down together, so we're all culpable and

1053
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: they're like yeah, I love it.

1054
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: Wow.

1055
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 2: They finally decide we'll just toss them into the sea.

1056
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: That'll be the easiest thing to explain. Nobody no murder, right,

1057
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, they're pretty much set on this plan.

1058
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: But then they decide, you know what, we still have

1059
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: our humanity, consider we are not these people. And then

1060
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: they kind of fall back from their plan, and then

1061
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: times change and then their murderous desire melts away, like

1062
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: you know, like that done a sand.

1063
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 3: In the displayed impulse control.

1064
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, very important. Santiago never learns about his near

1065
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: death by his science experiment because they don't put this

1066
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: in the questionnaire, but they.

1067
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 3: Just added it at the bottom, like.

1068
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: Wanted to kill Santiago desperate to kill you. So he does, though,

1069
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: mind you end up having a panic attack while he's

1070
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: on the boat because he's starting to realize that he's

1071
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: the problem. So I and I quote if I was

1072
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: a boy, I learned that men never cry. We control ourselves.

1073
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 2: But suddenly I couldn't anymore. Out on the deck, I

1074
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 2: thought about the experiment. I'd realize that the only one

1075
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: who has actually shown any kind of aggression or violence

1076
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: on the raft is me, the man trying to control

1077
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 2: everyone else, including himself, and so he just freaks out.

1078
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: He breaks down. He has this total like cascading, emotional

1079
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 2: like avalanche. And at the same time they find out

1080
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: at night this run the same time, they've accidentally drifted

1081
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 2: into the shipping lane. And so while he's happy his crisis,

1082
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: they see that a supertanker is headed right at them.

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00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: And so it's the middle of the dark of night,

1084
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: I got a supertanker that can't see them, and their captain,

1085
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 2: who is self declared he's having an emotional crisis.

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00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 3: He should have been working through this stuff back home,

1087
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 3: but instead he draws all these people. Okay, keep going

1088
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 3: his ten sexy strangers. He's making me get angry, and

1089
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 3: I'm not an angry person.

1090
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 2: So what do you think he does in the face

1091
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: of this emergency.

1092
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: Something stupid.

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00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: Well, he's not at all calm in the face of emergency. Instead,

1094
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 2: he just starts screaming and runs around the deck of

1095
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: the rapt yelling, O, I swear to God, that's what

1096
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 2: the that's what everyone says that he did. He just

1097
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: starts around a giant supertanker chasing them down, and he

1098
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: just screamed. He's just screaming, running around head, like.

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00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 3: I really, I would have just kicked him right into

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00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 3: the ocean.

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00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey the black American. She runs gets on the

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00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: radio and she tries to calm the supertanker. The supertanker

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00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: is no response, right, Captain Maria steps in. She's like,

1104
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 2: all right, g it's a time. She's totally implacably calm,

1105
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: just the exact opposite Santiago. She tells the crew get

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00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: to road flares. They start waving road flares over their heads.

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00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: The super tanker sees the road flares and goes into

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00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,439
Speaker 2: evasive actions, barely misses them, basically pushes them off into

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00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 2: the wake of its giant Yes exactly, but they live.

1110
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 2: So she's the hero. She's the captain now, so everybody

1111
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 2: recognizes this, even Santiago. So what does he do? He decides,

1112
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 2: like a former cult leader, to fall inside of himself

1113
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: and collapse.

1114
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah.

1115
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: Then decides, no more note taking, no more meetings, no

1116
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: more games, no more any questionnaires. I'm just going to

1117
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: grow my beard, look on my saltwater tan. So he

1118
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: retreats to bed. He starts complaining about an infection. People

1119
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: are like, yeah, whatever, you got an infection. Doctor's like, no,

1120
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 2: he really has an infection, so he like wills an

1121
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: infection upon himself and peace returns to the raft. Everyone

1122
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: now is calm, they're dancing, they're singing, they're happy. They're

1123
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 2: making meals again because they have a common enemy, the

1124
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: shunned exile who's brought them all together and they're giving

1125
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 2: them a group dynamic. So he's pushed them into this

1126
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: in group out group dynamic that is so key to

1127
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: human society. He finds the thing and he did it

1128
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: non violently, but anyway, the sex Raft finally arrives in

1129
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: Mexico after one hundred and one days at sea. Oh boy,

1130
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: it's a strange moment. They finally made it to the

1131
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: other side. They all like, are so glad to be

1132
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 2: back on dry land. They get off the sex Raft,

1133
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 2: they spend the night on shore. The next day they

1134
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: come back to the sex Raft now because they want

1135
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 2: to go back on an they don't need to get

1136
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: their stuff and meet and say like, let's let's have

1137
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: some you know, resolution for what we just went through.

1138
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, thank you guys all for coming back

1139
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: to the sex Raft. Thank you for doing this. By

1140
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: the way, I have one lass questionnaire for you no.

1141
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 2: So then in like an hour's long hangout session, he

1142
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: has them failed the questionnaires. They filed the questionnaires. He

1143
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 2: apologizes to Maria. He's apparently very calm and very kind,

1144
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: and everyone's impressed by it. He asked them, what did

1145
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: you think of my experiment? And they're like, it was

1146
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 2: a total failure. This was the worst thing I've ever done.

1147
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 2: And everyone, I guess not everyone. Three people say it's

1148
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 2: a total failure. Ultimately, though the majority of them say

1149
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: it's a success because they learned things about themselves, they

1150
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: learned things about humanity, so forth and Fay, she says

1151
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: it's a huge success, which surprises everyone because he was

1152
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: picking on her and they all saw it right. And

1153
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 2: she says, and I quote, it was always them and us.

1154
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: We started out as them and us, and we became us.

1155
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: And then she pointed out something that Santiago had missed,

1156
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: and she said, and they quote, I think Santiago's experiment

1157
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: was a huge success, but I think he missed it

1158
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 2: because we could talk to one another with sophistication and

1159
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: depth and understanding and love, and isn't that the answer

1160
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 2: to violence? So boom, there you go. Sex raft gonna

1161
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 2: make your sex sex.

1162
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 3: I think Maria won sex raft.

1163
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she definitely wants She's like the reality show

1164
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 2: Big Winner and then fan favorite his fee and let's

1165
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: say the rest. Like I have a soft spot for

1166
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,959
Speaker 2: Edna because she was having sex while piloting a boat

1167
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 2: and I'm just into that. I'm like, that's cool.

1168
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

1169
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 2: So I asked, what's all ridiculous takeaway?

1170
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 3: My ridiculous takeaways? Be careful to kind of want as

1171
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: you respond to. And also, this is just there were

1172
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: so many red flash. I think there's a way to

1173
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 3: get the answer that they got without being on a

1174
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 3: sex raft for three.

1175
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 2: Months, risking the lives of p Yeah. Yeah, I think

1176
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 2: the thing I was thinking about when I was reading

1177
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 2: all these different stories reading on the newspaper accounts is

1178
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: that it was so obvious on the face of it,

1179
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 2: both that it would fail and that no lessons would

1180
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: be learn because people would just be hung up on

1181
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: the sex raft part of it. They wouldn't never really

1182
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: go like, oh, what did you learn? What did you find?

1183
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 2: Tell us about your observations. Some people would buy the book,

1184
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: but they would not be buying the book because they

1185
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: wanted to read his science. They wanted to read the drama,

1186
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 2: the emotion, the sex. So the thing is is that

1187
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 2: human beings ultimately are rather simple, and that Fee got

1188
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 2: it right with our group dynamics are pretty consistent. There's

1189
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: in group behavior, there's outgroup behavior. There's wanting to punish

1190
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 2: the exiles and the outcast. We have been doing this

1191
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: for millennia. So if you take that dynamic as your

1192
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 2: starting point as opposed to women's ovulation is the key

1193
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: to world peace or whatever his starting point was, and

1194
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 2: you actually look at the observables of humanity as opposed

1195
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 2: to these like ineffables that he's going for, like men

1196
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: want to fight over the smell of a woman's ovulation,

1197
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: whatever the hell science he came up with, then you

1198
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: can actually get to something meaningful and which is what

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00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: Fee did I And I'm glad they made the documentary

1200
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 2: because that is where you get that quote. So out

1201
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: of all this stuff, it is the observation by one

1202
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 2: of the participants forty three years later that really gives

1203
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 2: value to sex raft.

1204
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 3: A lot of value in the sex raft.

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