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Speaker 2: Sure, it's time no and no, and no and no

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Speaker 2: and low and low. Welcome to the Naughty Venicia. I'm

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Speaker 2: your house drum shooter. And it's Thursday, which means our

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Speaker 2: dear friend Mark Looper joins us. Hey, LUPI are you there?

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Speaker 2: Makes me so happy? Hello, Darling. I love Thursdays. I

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Speaker 2: love being with you on Thursdays. I love being with

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Speaker 2: the Naughties on Thursdays. I also like Thursdays really sort

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Speaker 2: of means for me the end of the week. It's here,

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Speaker 2: not quite, but it's here. I could go out drinking tonight,

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Speaker 2: and I could fake my way through a day of

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Speaker 2: work tomorrow. I can only do one day faking now.

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Speaker 2: And so Thursday night, it's a really great night. It's

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Speaker 2: a really great day. I hope you're feeling all the vibes, Naughties.

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Speaker 2: Let's jump into the show. What time is it, my friends?

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Speaker 2: It airs tea time. A big story at the top

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Speaker 2: of the show, So Harry, Prince Harry has been exposed

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Speaker 2: for flirty text. Now, before we go too crazy, Mark,

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Speaker 2: you and I have said much more racy things on

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Speaker 2: a Monday morning. Right, Let's be clear. This is not

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Speaker 2: a big expose if you're looking for dirty, kinky, exciting

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Speaker 2: proposals here, you're not going to find it. In fact,

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Speaker 2: the most spaghettis he calls her sugar. Yes, I know,

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Speaker 2: come on, sugar, and then he also talks that he

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Speaker 2: misses their movie Snuggles, so it's not quite as exploited.

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Speaker 2: It's actually sort of quite adorable. These people are pointing

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Speaker 2: when he was texting her way back in I think

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Speaker 2: same social circles. He met her at one of those

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Speaker 2: very private clubs in London, which are all the rage.

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Speaker 2: They're starting to happen here in America too. These are

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Speaker 2: clubs where you have to pay a membership. You're not

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Speaker 2: then once you get the membership, you still have to pay.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was for that amount of money. I

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Speaker 2: You're never ever safe. I've been doing this a really

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Speaker 2: so there's always a source everywhere. What made this particularly

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Speaker 2: She worked for the Daily Mail. It's coming out because

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Speaker 2: Harry is suing The Mail in Britain and they're like, well, Harry,

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Speaker 2: you might say you don't like reporters at newspapers, but

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Speaker 2: here you are sending our reporter some kind of racy.

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Speaker 2: They're not that racy, but you're sending them texts. Now,

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Speaker 2: some people are trying to imply that this proves that

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Speaker 2: We know Meghan dig Meghan was friends with Miss d

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Speaker 1: I think his whole family, including him, are obsessed with

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Speaker 1: Then I questioned his judgment. I mean, if you're working

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Speaker 1: for Darling now, they have the best stories. They always

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Speaker 2: They have the best. In his defense, here Mark, you

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Speaker 2: Like I'm not being good, but that just isn't on

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Speaker 2: all such narcissists. And when we meet people, anybody, not

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Speaker 2: And so I think the success in life is trying

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Speaker 2: It's a very very interesting story here, because you are right,

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Speaker 2: the press. These royals do leak. We now know Fergie

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Speaker 2: So if I say source is very close to Mark Lupo,

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Speaker 2: And this is how this works. Yes, it's how it works.

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Speaker 2: So what do you think? It brings us to our

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Speaker 2: as part of his legal battle in London. However, these

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Speaker 2: they're not X rated. He didn't send you know what pictures.

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Speaker 2: None of that was going on here. What do you

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Speaker 2: think did Harry know? He's claiming he had no idea

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Speaker 2: I had naughty nice rob our Facebook page naughty ya zip.

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Speaker 2: I'm be sure to check out tomorrow to hear your results. Hey, Loopy,

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Speaker 1: Yes, some tough news today. So we're learning about Amberrell's

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Speaker 2: I really liked her, clearly troubled, clearly had her demons.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting. Just don't ever ever assume you know everything

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Speaker 2: miss you. Okay, moving along, Tiger Woods is saying he's

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Speaker 2: This can't be celebrity treatment. This can't be a spa.

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Speaker 2: This has to be really, really intense, really professional treatment,

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Speaker 2: we know till the cows come home, Mark, but if

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Speaker 2: the court ordered it. I think the court here would

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Speaker 2: I think they're they're not helping him here. I think

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Speaker 2: some experimental treatment. I just don't see this working. What

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Speaker 1: I don't either, And I think you know the bigger

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Speaker 1: question is for me, why are you allowing those man

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Speaker 1: being treated like a celebrity. Is putting you in a

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Speaker 2: Your life, for the rest of your life. I was

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Speaker 2: talking to more people Nancy Grace, she loves the podcast.

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