Speaker 1: Hey, the folks in this episode strong successful inspiring women
Speaker 1: criticizing other strong, successful inspiring women. And with that, welcome
Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ. And we have
Speaker 1: to admit, Robes, this is an episode we did not
Speaker 1: necessarily plan or expect to record. But there's been so
Speaker 1: much buzz around Blue Origin and that historic all female
Speaker 1: crew that went up and came back down. But I
Speaker 1: have been surprised, Robes at how much criticism they've gotten.
Speaker 2: I have been surprised as well. We need to fully disclose.
Speaker 2: We'll be transparent here. We were excited. We watched the launch,
Speaker 2: We felt the excitement, and I certainly as a woman,
Speaker 2: felt proud to see six women go up in space.
Speaker 2: Some of them, of course, were NASA scientists, but others were,
Speaker 2: you know, just people who we know and love and
Speaker 2: recognize either through television or know what we listened to
Speaker 2: on the radio.
Speaker 3: Katie Perry, Gail King, we.
Speaker 1: Should stay different levels of accomplishment. Yes, you had scientists
Speaker 1: on there, and astrophysicist, all these kinds of things. But
Speaker 1: Katie Perry's wildly successful, Gail King wildly successful. Lauren Santez
Speaker 1: had a successful career and doing her thing So this
Speaker 1: is a crew that's not just celebrity. These are accomplished women.
Speaker 2: Correct, and women who we look up to, women who
Speaker 2: we turn to when we want to either be entertained
Speaker 2: or informed or to learn something from.
Speaker 3: So yes, I was excited.
Speaker 2: I was completely surprised when I saw the remarkable and
Speaker 2: biting criticism. We expect it on Twitter. And we'll get
Speaker 2: into that because of course everyone always has a comment,
Speaker 2: and everyone loves to throw barbs thinking they're in an
Speaker 2: enclosed basement where no one can know who they are
Speaker 2: because they're anonymous. But the people, the women who have
Speaker 2: come forward, who are also celebrities in their own right,
Speaker 2: who have a pulpit, who have people who listen and
Speaker 2: follow them, it's fine to disagree. It's fine to be
Speaker 2: I even think constructively critical.
Speaker 3: That's okay.
Speaker 2: Those conversations ken and should happen, and we should welcome them.
Speaker 2: But when you start getting mean and sarcastic, and start
Speaker 2: just saying words and using words like disgusting and gluttonous.
Speaker 3: I then I feel sad.
Speaker 2: It's like I felt uplifted as a woman, and then
Speaker 2: I just felt so frustrated as a woman, because why
Speaker 2: do we tear each other down so much. Again, we
Speaker 2: can disagree, we can have different opinions, but we don't
Speaker 2: have to be mean spirited.
Speaker 1: So I want to take it with you from I
Speaker 1: guess a few different angles, one being just legit criticism
Speaker 1: and conversation we can have about the use of this
Speaker 1: time and money to send these celebrities essentially most of
Speaker 1: them up in the space. Two who the criticism is
Speaker 1: coming from. Should that make a difference? And then three
Speaker 1: the words used during the criticism, And so these are
Speaker 1: three different answer. So let's take it from I guess
Speaker 1: the top with I guess the criticism, talk about the
Speaker 1: criticism itself of this being wasteful, this being a waste
Speaker 1: of time, a publicity stump, this is unnecessary, all that's
Speaker 1: going on in the world. I hate to just say, yeah,
Speaker 1: egg prices are going, Yes, everybody has all kinds of issues.
Speaker 1: That's never a perfect time in the world to just
Speaker 1: do something for fun, it seems on this level, and
Speaker 1: with all this money involved, is never a right time.
Speaker 1: But still, is there any issue you take or certainly
Speaker 1: understand with somebody else taking with Hey, guys, do we
Speaker 1: really need to be putting on this big show right now?
Speaker 2: Look, everyone has an agenda I think in the world,
Speaker 2: and I would love for that money to be all
Speaker 2: put into cancer research so we can find a cure
Speaker 2: to cancer. Sure, that would be amazing. But at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, I understand how business and industry works.
Speaker 2: And also, this is a private business. Blue Origin is
Speaker 2: a private company. We're not talking about NASA, We're not
Speaker 2: talking about a government funded agency. We're talking about a
Speaker 2: private business. And truthfully, I do believe having space exploration
Speaker 2: and pushing that and making that more accessible and making
Speaker 2: that more available could lend to all sorts of other innovations.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they are. I'm not a scientist.
Speaker 1: We should say that's always been the argument with NASA.
Speaker 1: Everybody says, why are we wasting all this money going
Speaker 1: to spay? Anybody can always make that argument, that's always
Speaker 1: there to So this is private.
Speaker 2: Business, correct, So I think when it's private business, that's
Speaker 2: that private business owner's decision to do what he wants
Speaker 2: to do with his money and with his team.
Speaker 3: But I also just want to say I don't know enough.
Speaker 2: About what they are learning about space travel, what they
Speaker 2: are learning about science in these adventures and in these
Speaker 2: space missions, but I think they're possibly leading us in
Speaker 2: a direction we may need to eventually go in the
Speaker 2: world where they're baby steps building blocks.
Speaker 1: But do we need that? Do we have to have
Speaker 1: a justification for it to be okay? Can we not
Speaker 1: just say they inspired a bunch of people by going up.
Speaker 1: It made a bunch of kids think about the stars?
Speaker 1: Is not Can it not just be that? Do I
Speaker 1: need to know how them going up led to some
Speaker 1: medical or scientific breakthrough? Can it not just be enough
Speaker 1: that they inspired others and did something cool period?
Speaker 2: To your point, Yes, I think so. I think that's
Speaker 2: something that Gail pointed out to Gail King. I think
Speaker 2: Lauren Sanchez says something about all the young girls that
Speaker 2: they have heard from who now think and dream that
Speaker 2: they could become astronauts and that they could get into
Speaker 2: science and those stem types of careers that have not
Speaker 2: been traditionally female forward.
Speaker 3: So I do think there is value just in and
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 2: And I just think people can point to you should
Speaker 2: have spent your money this way, or you should have
Speaker 2: used those resources to do this. Anybody can always say that,
Speaker 2: and that's fine, And those are conversations that can and
Speaker 2: should potentially happen.
Speaker 1: So the legit conversation for me, at least in terms
Speaker 1: of debating critism that we could have was it a
Speaker 1: little too showy? Look, this was a lot and baby
Speaker 1: that's okay. But it's been a month plus from the
Speaker 1: announcement and they were okay. Look, Gail, you said, I
Speaker 1: didn't see this until you pointed out to me a
Speaker 1: second ago. But she actually meant that she thinks there
Speaker 1: is a sexist element to some of the criticism that's
Speaker 1: come out because a lot was made of and it's
Speaker 1: just a part of it. Lit they're women. They're fabulous women.
Speaker 1: They and they stepped out fabbed up.
Speaker 2: Yes, they looked like they were on the set of
Speaker 2: a movie or they were on the cover of an album,
Speaker 2: and it.
Speaker 3: Looked But you know, I don't mind that.
Speaker 2: I think as a woman, you can celebrate your greatness
Speaker 2: or your accomplishments or what you've achieved in your life,
Speaker 2: your intellect, and also be hot and fine and you know,
Speaker 2: do your hair the way you want to do it,
Speaker 2: and put your makeup on and be all the things
Speaker 2: that make being female fabulous to a lot of us.
Speaker 2: So I don't mind having those two things come together.
Speaker 2: But you also have to prepare yourself for some of
Speaker 2: I mean, like I mentioned this in Morning Run yesterday.
Speaker 2: I believe I got a kick out of and was
Speaker 2: laughing watching the video of those women Waitless because they
Speaker 2: all had so much hair going on. It was all
Speaker 2: floating in the in the in the capsule and it
Speaker 2: was funny to see. But I think that's okay. Like
Speaker 2: you can also laugh at yourself. You can say, yeah, wow,
Speaker 2: that's look at my extensions flying.
Speaker 1: Like you know, But is that the thing that's a
Speaker 1: part of a criticism that they it looked too much
Speaker 1: like you're focused on the glam and the fun, but
Speaker 1: you're trying to make an argument that hey, this was
Speaker 1: a part of science and inspiration. But what it looks
Speaker 1: like is just a bunch of privileged folks getting a
Speaker 1: free ride, a joy ride up that's promotional for a
Speaker 1: guy who's already one of the richest on the planet.
Speaker 1: I think that is that legitimate.
Speaker 3: It's legit.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, people are entitled to their opinions,
Speaker 2: and they certainly put themselves out there in a way
Speaker 2: that provided that fodder for folks who wanted to take
Speaker 2: advantage of it. One hundred percent. But I also just
Speaker 2: think we shouldn't be afraid to be who we are,
Speaker 2: to celebrate what we do and to enjoy it. I
Speaker 2: enjoyed the coverage. I enjoyed the build up to it.
Speaker 2: I thought it made it more fun to watch and
Speaker 2: witness because we were anticipating it, we were excited about it.
Speaker 2: This is what television producers do. We understand that very well,
Speaker 2: and I think a big part of this world is
Speaker 2: getting people to care. I think we're in such a
Speaker 2: frenetic time in this world where we're also distracted. We
Speaker 2: all have our phones all no one's paying attention to
Speaker 2: anything and very rarely any kind of live event. So
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty cool when you can collectively get
Speaker 2: people to sit down, put their phones down, and watch
Speaker 2: something happen.
Speaker 3: And they were able to do that.
Speaker 2: You can criticize how they did it, why they did it,
Speaker 2: but they did accomplish that.
Speaker 1: So there is what So that first part I was
Speaker 1: talking about with you, there is a legitimate conversation to
Speaker 1: be had about it, all this and what went into it,
Speaker 1: and then what do we get out of it? And
Speaker 1: an inspiration. Let's just all have a conversation about this
Speaker 1: and that's fine. You can disagree with it and just
Speaker 1: respectfully have that conversation. Now, the next leg of this
Speaker 1: goes into the actual criticism that's come from some notable names,
Speaker 1: in particular Emily Raki. I'm saying, right, model activist author.
Speaker 1: I think everybody, if you don't know her name, you
Speaker 1: certainly know her face. Now, she had a criticism her
Speaker 1: body if you want, but she had a criticism. First
Speaker 1: of all, she is the one that's being quoted most
Speaker 1: out there. Tell folks initially, I guess we should start
Speaker 1: with that, because she has some very strong works.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, and this is why she is because she
Speaker 2: didn't just say one thing. She said a lot. And
Speaker 2: it started with that space mission thing morning. It's that
Speaker 2: space miss sorry, that space mission this morning, that end
Speaker 2: time shit like this is beyond parody, saying that you
Speaker 2: care about mother Earth and it's about mother Earth, that
Speaker 2: it's going up in a spaceship that is built and
Speaker 2: paid for by a company that's single handedly destroying the planet.
Speaker 2: Get the state of the world and think about how
Speaker 2: many resources went into putting these women into space and
Speaker 2: for what for what what was the marketing there? And
Speaker 2: then to try and make it like I'm disgusted, literally,
Speaker 2: I'm disgusting.
Speaker 1: Okay, if she would have stopped before the I'm disgusted,
Speaker 1: would it have come off the same way, because she
Speaker 1: did seem like she was kind of going out to
Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos.
Speaker 3: It was, but then she called it a parody.
Speaker 2: And then yes, when she said disgusting or that she
Speaker 2: was disgusted, that was obviously taking it to a whole
Speaker 2: other level and it got mean, and it it just
Speaker 2: it it to me, took away any point she was
Speaker 2: making because now it just feels it just feels like
Speaker 2: her egos involved. Her ego got triggered because she didn't
Speaker 2: like what she saw, and so then she feels the
Speaker 2: need or at least the ability to lash out and
Speaker 2: to whom andto what. And I would ask her, what's
Speaker 2: your point? Like, you can still make your point without
Speaker 2: having to attack. You can still make your point. And
Speaker 2: I always feel like this, if you have an issue
Speaker 2: with something or someone, ask questions instead of pointing the finger,
Speaker 2: and then you can come up with a reasonable deduction
Speaker 2: of what you think. And you have a right to
Speaker 2: your opinion, But ask questions first, perhaps before you start
Speaker 2: pointing the finger and blaming and shaming, and.
Speaker 1: Honestly, she has she's been outspoken on several issues, and
Speaker 1: she has absolutely the right to her opinion. But this
Speaker 1: is what really got And I'm sure Gail and crew.
Speaker 2: Are very much awaretic, so they have responded.
Speaker 1: To specifically to her again not specific okay, I'm but
Speaker 1: they're surely aware of someone who has this kind of
Speaker 1: platform and following talking about them in such a way,
Speaker 1: she used words like this line. Privilege is not an accomplishment,
Speaker 1: Exploitation is not an accomplishment. She said. We need to
Speaker 1: be able to discern what real progress looks like, and
Speaker 1: what happened yesterday was nothing like that. Again, a right
Speaker 1: to an opinion, but it it doesn't seem like we're
Speaker 1: having a conversation. A conversation was started with the trip, perhaps,
Speaker 1: but now it's just the headlines and these things happen
Speaker 1: all the time, and we've been in the midst of this.
Speaker 1: Why where you see the headlines soone's on claps back,
Speaker 1: or someone's on respond someone's going backlash and hits back,
Speaker 1: instead of us having a conversation about what actually took place,
Speaker 1: where talking about women attacking each other.
Speaker 2: I know, and that's really tough because it isn't as
Speaker 2: you mentioned just Emily Radakowski, I mean she had probably
Speaker 2: would not probably definitely these strongest language and went after
Speaker 2: the mission Jeff Bezos himself and the women just basically
Speaker 2: eviscerating them all. But Amy Schumer also went on and
Speaker 2: put a video up and mocked getting a call about
Speaker 2: getting an opportunity to go up to space, and was
Speaker 2: just really sarcastic and dead pan, and just.
Speaker 1: Her point was that the trip was pointless.
Speaker 2: Her point was that the trip was pointless. That you know,
Speaker 2: we saw the women bring things up that were meaningful.
Speaker 2: She made it seem like it was all meaningless. So
Speaker 2: she was in the same vein. We also heard Olivia
Speaker 2: Wilde not heard she put up a post saying, basically,
Speaker 2: this is just a billion dollars spent for a meme
Speaker 2: and took the took the image of Katie Perry kissing
Speaker 2: the ground and just made fun of her on that.
Speaker 2: And then even Olivia Munn a few weeks before the
Speaker 2: mission began, actually was quoted or she was speaking to
Speaker 2: Hoda and Friends on the Today Show and she was questioning, oh, sorry, Hoda,
Speaker 2: I met Jenna and Friends Hoda's gone. It's Jenna and friends.
Speaker 2: Miss Oh my gosh, Jenna and friends. But she said,
Speaker 2: I know this is probably not the cool thing to say,
Speaker 2: but there are so many more important things to be
Speaker 2: doing in this world, basically than going up to space.
Speaker 2: She was I think she was maybe the first one
Speaker 2: to say something critical, but then you know, she was
Speaker 2: actually pretty soft and not that mean spirited about it.
Speaker 2: She was just questioning the importance of it or the
Speaker 2: reason why.
Speaker 1: What she did call it glutness.
Speaker 3: She did call it gltness.
Speaker 1: Talk about being on the cover of L magazine, Like,
Speaker 1: what's the point? Why are you doing all this? That's
Speaker 1: a legitimate Let's have a conversation about it again. It
Speaker 1: was a very very strong words. Does it matter at all?
Speaker 1: This is the other part of the conversation or other thing
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about. Does it matter or
Speaker 1: should it matter who the criticism is coming from. I
Speaker 1: hate to look at the critic now and say, well, oh,
Speaker 1: you just do this, or you just do that, or
Speaker 1: you don't have any place to say. It's not that.
Speaker 1: I mean, these folks have a platform and they are
Speaker 1: legit and accomplished and impressive in their own way. But
Speaker 1: some are wanting to look at the criticizer and say, well,
Speaker 1: actually you don't. You don't have any leg to stand
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be the one pointing the finger, right. So
Speaker 2: the problem is then we all pileon. So if you
Speaker 2: start criticizing the people who are criticizing them, we're all
Speaker 2: we're all dragged down into the mud. So that isn't
Speaker 2: what we're trying to do here. It's just to make
Speaker 2: the point that it's I'm disappointed as a woman to
Speaker 2: see other women reacting to each other this way. Again,
Speaker 2: we can all disagree, we can all question whether or
Speaker 2: not this was a good use of resources, but a
Speaker 2: good use.
Speaker 3: Of someone's private money.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I have a right to tell
Speaker 2: anyone else how to spend their money or not, So
Speaker 2: I just I would just ask that we all remember
Speaker 2: to be kind, that we can have comments, that we
Speaker 2: can have opinions, that we can further a conversation. I
Speaker 2: think it's an opportunity to have some of these conversations.
Speaker 2: But once you start making someone feel like they've done
Speaker 2: something wrong, or that you've shamed them for wasting resources
Speaker 2: or for wasting money, suddenly, then all of those people
Speaker 2: now feel defensive and then they lash back and it.
Speaker 3: Just gets ugly. And that's not the point.
Speaker 2: The point is I hope that everybody wants a better
Speaker 2: way forward, a better way to communicate. It's just sad
Speaker 2: when you see it all unravel this way so publicly,
Speaker 2: and it just reinforces that cat fighting. Women can't get along,
Speaker 2: women can't be happy for one another. Women can't And
Speaker 2: I will say, you saw those six women who come
Speaker 2: from very different walks of life, represented from all different
Speaker 2: colors and backgrounds together excite? Did? You can say what
Speaker 2: you want. But I thought the squealing was. I thought
Speaker 2: it was joyful. I thought it was It made me smile.
Speaker 2: I was excited that they were excited, and I imagined
Speaker 2: how scary and crazy that must have felt to go
Speaker 2: up and do something like that, and to test your
Speaker 2: own fears and to push past them. I thought there
Speaker 2: were a lot of lessons that could be learned, that
Speaker 2: could be good and sweet takeaways. And yes, we can.
Speaker 2: I just I just feel like sometimes I gets lost
Speaker 2: and I hate seeing women just not support one another.
Speaker 2: You can still question, you can still ask, you can
Speaker 2: still disagree, But do we have to tear each other down.
Speaker 1: No, we're not suggesting at all that should be just
Speaker 1: blanket support or there should be no criticism. And look,
Speaker 1: we play a role, and we have been many years
Speaker 1: and been questioned in coverage of things we do, or
Speaker 1: or why are you all going there and doing this
Speaker 1: fun thing? When this, you know what, very sweetheart, is
Speaker 1: a very good point. When Stray went to you and
Speaker 1: I do the special report and that same day overnight
Speaker 1: you remember what there was a tragedy with tornadoes in Kentucky,
Speaker 1: was it not? Yes, And there was a huge debate
Speaker 1: within the ABC GMA at the time about what we
Speaker 1: should do and how we should cover a tragedy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I believe like a hundred people might have been killed
Speaker 1: on the same day that we are seeing straighthand go
Speaker 1: to space. And this was like back to back special
Speaker 1: reports almost we were doing.
Speaker 2: I remember I was there in West Texas and I
Speaker 2: was in my vehicle on the phone on a conference
Speaker 2: call with you and a couple of our executives discussing
Speaker 2: the top of the special report because yes, we're breaking
Speaker 2: in a special report, Michael Strahan goes to space, and
Speaker 2: yet we have a massive national tragedy where dozens if not.
Speaker 3: I think you're right.
Speaker 2: It was a very high death toll, and these tornadoes
Speaker 2: had ravaged the area overnight, and we had to balance
Speaker 2: the special report with the breaking news, which you handled
Speaker 2: off the top and then pivoted to space.
Speaker 3: We had to try to do both. It is a.
Speaker 2: Sometimes these types of stories are a fine needle to
Speaker 2: thread because you're trying to make sure we are of
Speaker 2: service but also highlighting one of our colleagues and friends what.
Speaker 1: We did there. And I know you've gone through this
Speaker 1: plenty of times your career as well, where a network
Speaker 1: will make an attempt to justify what it's doing by saying, well,
Speaker 1: this is for science, Well this is for where we're
Speaker 1: doing this really because we're going to give this environmental
Speaker 1: impact or we're trying to highlight climate change, but really
Speaker 1: it's kind of just a fun exercise. I remember what
Speaker 1: we did that day was embrace it. We embraced folks.
Speaker 1: We understand there's a tragedy going on right now and
Speaker 1: we're going to be covering it, but also there's something
Speaker 1: else going on today that is going to be inspirational.
Speaker 1: It's scary, but we kind of put in context. We
Speaker 1: understand this isn't the most important thing going on in
Speaker 1: the world, but we're also going to acknowledge that it
Speaker 1: is still something that's significant that's happening. We embrace. I
Speaker 1: remember us just acknowledging, Yeah, this isn't the biggest deal
Speaker 1: right now in the world, but we're going to show
Speaker 1: it to you. For this reason, I think maybe some
Speaker 1: of the criticism is now coming from there's the content,
Speaker 1: it's not putting in proper context. You're going up and
Speaker 1: it's glamorous thing and celebrity driven, and you're trying to
Speaker 1: tell me this is for stem like it's almost some
Speaker 1: of the criticisms like don't treat me like I'm stupid.
Speaker 2: Right, Maybe there needed to be better acknowledgment, better perspective
Speaker 2: as you just put it, and that way people wouldn't
Speaker 2: feel so like, don't serve me, you know, dessert and
Speaker 2: tell me it's vegetables. And I think that maybe rubbed
Speaker 2: people the wrong way. And then some folks just got
Speaker 2: so upset about it that they ranted, literally ranted on
Speaker 2: social media. And we talked about the prominent women who
Speaker 2: put their faces in their names to their displeasure, But
Speaker 2: you were looking on Twitter on X, I guess is
Speaker 2: what it's called now.
Speaker 3: And it was brutal, even worse.
Speaker 1: It's awful.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about some of it, because Gail
Speaker 2: King did say she was very upset. She said this
Speaker 2: was a very sexist I mean, look she saw, of course,
Speaker 2: she saw some of the criticism, and.
Speaker 3: She labeled it sexist.
Speaker 2: She took issue with the fact that they called it
Speaker 2: a girl's trip. We called it a trip here on
Speaker 2: the podcast on Morning Run, and a lot of folks
Speaker 2: referred to it as a trip. She said, you would
Speaker 2: never refer to male astronauts as taking a trip to space. However, TJ,
Speaker 2: you did, you did find that that did happen.
Speaker 1: Of course, has happened with straight had everybody when Schattner went,
Speaker 1: everybody called it taking a ride, taking a trip, a
Speaker 1: joy ride, a thrill ride.
Speaker 3: It's a ride.
Speaker 2: It's a trip. It's eleven minutes in space. It's not
Speaker 2: a mission to Mars or a mission to the moon.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it is a trip to space. It
Speaker 2: is a ride, right, she said, ride. She was upset
Speaker 2: with that word.
Speaker 1: Yes, what did we did? And again and I understand,
Speaker 1: but is do you feel a sexist tinge of the criticism.
Speaker 2: Well, when you started reading what was on X, then yes,
Speaker 2: and and look, and I get it. Like you, you know,
Speaker 2: you do your you do your hair, you do your ma.
Speaker 2: If you're all glammed up, you got to expect a
Speaker 2: little bit of that. I mean, I think as women,
Speaker 2: we kind of brace ourselves for that. We understand. I
Speaker 2: don't think any woman should apologize for wanting to look
Speaker 2: her best to be.
Speaker 3: On a very highly televised and publicized event.
Speaker 2: I would want to have my hair and makeup done too,
Speaker 2: so I would never criticize a woman for that.
Speaker 1: You know, how would your hair have been for this trip?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a ponytail girl, but but they but they're not.
Speaker 3: And that's fine.
Speaker 2: And it looked hilarious and glamorous and fun and I
Speaker 2: enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: It looked great. It did in the video of them
Speaker 1: waitless and the hair is everywhere. Some of these are
Speaker 1: tough to watch.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 1: I am literally have X up right now. The search
Speaker 1: I did was blue Origin and just click latest and
Speaker 1: I'm just going from the top here. Imagine getting the
Speaker 1: chance to be in space for six minutes and spending
Speaker 1: the whole time looking into a camera. That was criticism
Speaker 1: of them, not yep, having the enjoying I guess the
Speaker 1: experience being more than a publicity stunt. Correct. Another one.
Speaker 1: This is a female astronaut which they showed a picture
Speaker 1: of Sally Ride, physics degree from Stanford, several years of training.
Speaker 1: These women going up in Blue Origin are celebrities going
Speaker 1: for a ten minute ride in low orbit. They are
Speaker 1: not astronauts or a crew. Calling them that is an
Speaker 1: insult to all that kind of stuff is out there.
Speaker 3: You aren't reading the bad stuff.
Speaker 2: There was some talk about you botox and Barren Wombs.
Speaker 2: I mean, people really went and took some low blows.
Speaker 3: If you feel more comfortable if I read some of them.
Speaker 2: But like that, I think people need to understand how
Speaker 2: mean it's gotten to.
Speaker 1: Your The one you were talking about it says, and
Speaker 1: I'm quoting folks, behold the gauntlet of Baron Wombs and Botox.
Speaker 1: And that post is up with a picture or the
Speaker 1: video of the women walking onto the capsule. That's tough.
Speaker 3: Was there something with the about the ringing of the bell.
Speaker 1: Ring of the bell the unsung hero of the Blue
Speaker 1: Origin female crew and somebody has a like a body
Speaker 1: suit a you call spendex kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Was it called, yeah, just to suck everybody, to suck
Speaker 2: everything in?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of a yeah.
Speaker 3: So and those are the low.
Speaker 2: Blows that I think a lot of these women are
Speaker 2: responding to. And you know, I I I don't know
Speaker 2: if I would feel like I needed to clap back.
Speaker 2: You know. It's one of those things where sometimes it's
Speaker 2: better to say nothing.
Speaker 3: Your silence speaks volumes. It can be deafening.
Speaker 2: But I do, I actually do really like what Lauren
Speaker 2: Sanchez says. She said, I would love to have the
Speaker 2: critics come to Blue Origin and see the thousands of
Speaker 2: employees that don't just work here, but they put their
Speaker 2: heart and soul into this vehicle. They love their work
Speaker 2: and they love the mission, and this is a big
Speaker 2: deal for them. And I just thought that was a
Speaker 2: good point to make that there are scientists and employees
Speaker 2: and teams working feverishly around the clock to make these
Speaker 2: missions successful and to build an industry in a business
Speaker 2: for private space travel, and that is a legitimate I mean,
Speaker 2: I just I understand people who would like those resources
Speaker 2: diverted elsewhere, but it's not their money.
Speaker 1: To your point, take take the women out of this equation.
Speaker 1: It is remarkable what they're able to do with Blue Origin.
Speaker 1: They are able to send people up into space who
Speaker 1: have no training, no experience, and get them back safely
Speaker 1: without a pilot. That's what the science here is remarkable.
Speaker 3: And what could that lead to we don't know.
Speaker 2: And so that's the thing I think, anytime you're innovating
Speaker 2: and you're doing something new, we don't know where that
Speaker 2: could lead. We don't know, And I'm not justifying it,
Speaker 2: but I understand. I mean, I just would never want
Speaker 2: to be someone to be against innovation. And obviously we
Speaker 2: have to do it in understanding of how it works
Speaker 2: with our the balance of the Earth and all of
Speaker 2: those things. But I just feel like we're so quick
Speaker 2: to point the finger and to shame people.
Speaker 1: Here's another one for you, But they're passengers, not crew.
Speaker 1: It's a flight, not a mission. They have zero controls
Speaker 1: over the ship. Just sit there, then float for a
Speaker 1: few minutes, then return. It's publicity at best, that kind
Speaker 1: of idea. Look, bottom line, can't both sides be right
Speaker 1: yep and be a little wrong? Yes, right right? You're
Speaker 1: legit in your criticism. Did you have to use that
Speaker 1: language to talk about them. Yes, you're legit in going
Speaker 1: up and taking this trip, but maybe it did go
Speaker 1: a step too far in some of the promotion and
Speaker 1: some of the glamour and some of the there's legit.
Speaker 1: Everybody could be right and everybody can be wrong at
Speaker 1: the same time. The only thing wrong is just how
Speaker 1: we engage and talk to each other sometimes about these things.
Speaker 1: And I had no criticism of anybody to see women,
Speaker 1: To sit back and see women this accomplish going after
Speaker 1: each other that strongly, I didn't. That was tough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it took away all the excitement and pride I
Speaker 2: felt in watching those women do what they did, because
Speaker 2: look that I don't know that I have it in
Speaker 2: me to go up to space. I don't think I
Speaker 2: have that kind of courage to risk.
Speaker 3: That to do that.
Speaker 2: So I was absolutely in awe of that. And that
Speaker 2: teaches you a lot about who you are and what
Speaker 2: you're made of. And I'm sure those women will take
Speaker 2: their experience and I hope they will do good with it.
Speaker 1: And the Wendy's thing, what was that about? Why did
Speaker 1: Wendy's criticize Katy Perry. There were some posts that, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at your face now, weren't up on this.
Speaker 1: There was a tweet that someone put out, let's say
Speaker 1: Katy Perry has returned. Wendy's from their official Twitter handle responded,
Speaker 1: can we send her back? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: And I don't know what the beef is. Apparently Wendy's
Speaker 1: does a bit of trolling in their social media, but
Speaker 1: I don't know what their beef is with her. Necessarily,
Speaker 1: I didn't get.
Speaker 2: It, okay, so it looks like so okay from what
Speaker 2: I understand Kesha, Oh, it actually is Kesha with the
Speaker 2: Wendy's cup she piled on after.
Speaker 1: After the fact. Yes, but Kesha's at beef with Katy
Speaker 1: Perry for years. That goes back to a producer they
Speaker 1: worked with that Kesha accused of sexual assaut blah blah.
Speaker 3: That's right, So you're right.
Speaker 2: Wendy's replied to a post suggesting to center back to space,
Speaker 2: and then later in the day, Kesha supported the recommendation
Speaker 2: by posting a photo of herself smirking while sipping from
Speaker 2: a Wendy's cup. So you can add Kesha to the
Speaker 2: list of women who went after some of the astronauts,
Speaker 2: but hers was personal.
Speaker 1: But I don't understand why Wendy's got involved and chimed
Speaker 1: in and tell him send Katy Perry about. I didn't
Speaker 1: get that.
Speaker 3: That's wild.
Speaker 1: So again this has gone now and turned into something
Speaker 1: else for whatever reason. Is it worth talking about? Sure,
Speaker 1: always have a conversation about something that was that prominent
Speaker 1: with women. This this prominent. Sure, let's talk about space travel.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the safety, let's talk about stem let's
Speaker 1: talk about these scientists. Let's talk about the criticism. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about it. Oh but good lord, gluttonous.
Speaker 3: Disgusting, send her back to space.
Speaker 1: That's just and it's not just fun. It's not good natured.
Speaker 1: Some of it seems a little much like the only joke,
Speaker 1: you know what in our morning run, the only joke
Speaker 1: I was going to crack, And I never ended up
Speaker 1: cracking it because I didn't want to. That was gonna
Speaker 1: be a problem. But I'll go ahead and let it
Speaker 1: out here. I'll say, Wow, the length women will go
Speaker 1: to to get away from men on Earth. That was
Speaker 1: the only joke I had.
Speaker 3: That's a sweet one. That's a funny one. That's a
Speaker 3: self deprecating.
Speaker 1: One, lighthearted stuff. This stuff is mean, man. Some of
Speaker 1: this is just you know what.
Speaker 2: We had twelve year olds to being with us watching
Speaker 2: and it was fun to see her watching. I would
Speaker 2: hate for her to see the aftermath and how women
Speaker 2: are treating one another. And I just I hope, God,
Speaker 2: I don't know, because once you put it out there,
Speaker 2: that's the thing. I tell my daughters this all the time.
Speaker 2: Once you put it out there on social media, it
Speaker 2: never goes away. This isn't something that you thought, this
Speaker 2: isn't something you whispered to your friend, and any type
Speaker 2: of that sort of mean spirited gossiper is toxic. But
Speaker 2: when you put it in writing or you have a
Speaker 2: platform and you put it out there for the world, man,
Speaker 2: I just I wish everybody could listen to their own
Speaker 2: words and remember that what you put out there comes back,
Speaker 2: and just to please try to remember. You can question,
Speaker 2: you can disagree, but try to put more kindness and
Speaker 2: try to put less hate out in the world.
Speaker 1: Again, not again, not taking it by Oh wait, anybody's
Speaker 1: right to criticize. It's not at all what we're suggesting.
Speaker 1: It's just something that again, yes, we as well got
Speaker 1: caught up in like a lot of people did, and
Speaker 1: we were inspired. We were excited, we were on edge,
Speaker 1: we were even nervous for we know.
Speaker 3: Gail, and we went through it with straight hand. So
Speaker 3: it kind of felt personal to us.
Speaker 2: I was there on the launch site, you were there
Speaker 2: manning the special report from mab S News.
Speaker 3: We were immersed in it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we talked to him this week. I mean
Speaker 1: talked him that day. We were going back and forth
Speaker 1: because we couldn't help. But in watching that, think about
Speaker 1: him and think about how we felt, and think about
Speaker 1: what that moment was and it straight And I'm not
Speaker 1: betraying our confidence on our trust here, but well, the
Speaker 1: first the first thing he said when we reached out
Speaker 1: when launch was happening that morning was remembering all the
Speaker 1: reaction he got to our reaction on air and being
Speaker 1: scared and being nervous, like it came through just how
Speaker 1: much we love that guy. It was the first thing
Speaker 1: he said to us this week. So it is it.
Speaker 1: Remember this is space travel. These women had something on
Speaker 1: the line.
Speaker 3: They had their lives on the line. This wasn't without
Speaker 3: a doubt.
Speaker 2: They had their lives on their line and they knew
Speaker 2: that and they and they went back and they thought
Speaker 2: about their training. That's what Gail said at least, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I give them a little bit of a break. That's
Speaker 2: what I would say. Give people a break. Sometimes we
Speaker 2: all want to give ourselves a break. You give your
Speaker 2: neighbor a break.
Speaker 1: That's something one of my favorite things. We always judge
Speaker 1: other people by their worst actions, but judge ourselves by
Speaker 1: our best intentions. If you just give somebody just a
Speaker 1: little grace that these are maybe good people who did
Speaker 1: this thing that was exciting and inspirational and important to them.
Speaker 1: It's just a little grace. You can criticize it, just
Speaker 1: a little grace in a moment like this. So congratulations
Speaker 1: certainly to them for getting up there. Glad they're back.
Speaker 1: What's going to happen next, don't know, but man, but yes,
Speaker 1: we had no intention of recording this. We actually as folks.
Speaker 1: If you've been following us this week on Morning Run,
Speaker 1: you know we're on spring break, Sabine her spring break.
Speaker 1: So we got out of town. We are sitting pool
Speaker 1: side and ocean side as we talk here. But we
Speaker 1: our work has continued. We've been doing the Morning Run
Speaker 1: and we've had to do it even earlier. And when
Speaker 1: we get done, we usually t lad out and take
Speaker 1: a nap. You were so fired up about this story
Speaker 1: that you were on the couch looking for a movie
Speaker 1: and we were just going to go to sleep again
Speaker 1: as it Babe, Let's go, yeah, go record one. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think it's an important conversation to have about
Speaker 2: the conversation that is taking place. And hopefully, man, we
Speaker 2: can all just be the gentler, kinder versions of ourselves
Speaker 2: if we just sit and think about how ugly this
Speaker 2: is and how I know that we can individually each
Speaker 2: say we're not going to participate.
Speaker 3: So with that, thank you.
Speaker 2: All for listening to this edition of Amy and TJ.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. I'm Ami Robock and I'm TJ.
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