WEBVTT - All-Women Crew, All-Women Criticism 0:00:02.360 --> 0:00:07.120 Hey, the folks in this episode strong successful inspiring women 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:13.440 criticizing other strong, successful inspiring women. And with that, welcome 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.239 to this episode of Amy and TJ. And we have 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.239 to admit, Robes, this is an episode we did not 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.880 necessarily plan or expect to record. But there's been so 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.800 much buzz around Blue Origin and that historic all female 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.760 crew that went up and came back down. But I 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.360 have been surprised, Robes at how much criticism they've gotten. 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.720 I have been surprised as well. We need to fully disclose. 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:38.760 We'll be transparent here. We were excited. We watched the launch, 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.000 We felt the excitement, and I certainly as a woman, 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:47.479 felt proud to see six women go up in space. 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:51.360 Some of them, of course, were NASA scientists, but others were, 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:53.800 you know, just people who we know and love and 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:57.760 recognize either through television or know what we listened to 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:58.240 on the radio. 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:00.160 Katie Perry, Gail King, we. 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:03.920 Should stay different levels of accomplishment. Yes, you had scientists 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.360 on there, and astrophysicist, all these kinds of things. But 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:11.280 Katie Perry's wildly successful, Gail King wildly successful. Lauren Santez 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.200 had a successful career and doing her thing So this 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:18.320 is a crew that's not just celebrity. These are accomplished women. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:20.520 Correct, and women who we look up to, women who 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:24.280 we turn to when we want to either be entertained 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.440 or informed or to learn something from. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:27.960 So yes, I was excited. 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:34.240 I was completely surprised when I saw the remarkable and 0:01:35.880 --> 0:01:39.959 biting criticism. We expect it on Twitter. And we'll get 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.520 into that because of course everyone always has a comment, 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:47.240 and everyone loves to throw barbs thinking they're in an 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.240 enclosed basement where no one can know who they are 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.440 because they're anonymous. But the people, the women who have 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.840 come forward, who are also celebrities in their own right, 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.120 who have a pulpit, who have people who listen and 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:02.360 follow them, it's fine to disagree. It's fine to be 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:04.920 I even think constructively critical. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:05.960 That's okay. 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.119 Those conversations ken and should happen, and we should welcome them. 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:14.160 But when you start getting mean and sarcastic, and start 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:20.120 just saying words and using words like disgusting and gluttonous. 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:22.040 I then I feel sad. 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:24.240 It's like I felt uplifted as a woman, and then 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.320 I just felt so frustrated as a woman, because why 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:29.240 do we tear each other down so much. Again, we 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.400 can disagree, we can have different opinions, but we don't 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:33.720 have to be mean spirited. 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:35.200 So I want to take it with you from I 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:40.119 guess a few different angles, one being just legit criticism 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:43.440 and conversation we can have about the use of this 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:47.640 time and money to send these celebrities essentially most of 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:52.360 them up in the space. Two who the criticism is 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.520 coming from. Should that make a difference? And then three 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:00.000 the words used during the criticism, And so these are 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.200 three different answer. So let's take it from I guess 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:06.079 the top with I guess the criticism, talk about the 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:09.840 criticism itself of this being wasteful, this being a waste 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.600 of time, a publicity stump, this is unnecessary, all that's 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.160 going on in the world. I hate to just say, yeah, 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.600 egg prices are going, Yes, everybody has all kinds of issues. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:18.680 That's never a perfect time in the world to just 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.960 do something for fun, it seems on this level, and 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.640 with all this money involved, is never a right time. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.720 But still, is there any issue you take or certainly 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:31.280 understand with somebody else taking with Hey, guys, do we 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.880 really need to be putting on this big show right now? 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.480 Look, everyone has an agenda I think in the world, 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.920 and I would love for that money to be all 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.760 put into cancer research so we can find a cure 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.440 to cancer. Sure, that would be amazing. But at the 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:50.720 end of the day, I understand how business and industry works. 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.400 And also, this is a private business. Blue Origin is 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.720 a private company. We're not talking about NASA, We're not 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.320 talking about a government funded agency. We're talking about a 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:06.360 private business. And truthfully, I do believe having space exploration 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.560 and pushing that and making that more accessible and making 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.760 that more available could lend to all sorts of other innovations. 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:15.800 I don't know what they are. I'm not a scientist. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:17.919 We should say that's always been the argument with NASA. 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.200 Everybody says, why are we wasting all this money going 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.760 to spay? Anybody can always make that argument, that's always 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.240 there to So this is private. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.960 Business, correct, So I think when it's private business, that's 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.919 that private business owner's decision to do what he wants 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.400 to do with his money and with his team. 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:37.280 But I also just want to say I don't know enough. 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.880 About what they are learning about space travel, what they 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:45.680 are learning about science in these adventures and in these 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:51.800 space missions, but I think they're possibly leading us in 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:53.640 a direction we may need to eventually go in the 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:55.880 world where they're baby steps building blocks. 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:57.760 But do we need that? Do we have to have 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.919 a justification for it to be okay? Can we not 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.240 just say they inspired a bunch of people by going up. 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:07.760 It made a bunch of kids think about the stars? 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.400 Is not Can it not just be that? Do I 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:13.080 need to know how them going up led to some 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.279 medical or scientific breakthrough? Can it not just be enough 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.560 that they inspired others and did something cool period? 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.160 To your point, Yes, I think so. I think that's 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.480 something that Gail pointed out to Gail King. I think 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.560 Lauren Sanchez says something about all the young girls that 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.400 they have heard from who now think and dream that 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.479 they could become astronauts and that they could get into 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:37.680 science and those stem types of careers that have not 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.800 been traditionally female forward. 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.280 So I do think there is value just in and 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:43.760 of that. 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:45.960 And I just think people can point to you should 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:47.599 have spent your money this way, or you should have 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.960 used those resources to do this. Anybody can always say that, 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.080 and that's fine, And those are conversations that can and 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:54.480 should potentially happen. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.560 So the legit conversation for me, at least in terms 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.120 of debating critism that we could have was it a 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.400 little too showy? Look, this was a lot and baby 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.680 that's okay. But it's been a month plus from the 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:11.120 announcement and they were okay. Look, Gail, you said, I 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:12.560 didn't see this until you pointed out to me a 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.120 second ago. But she actually meant that she thinks there 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.320 is a sexist element to some of the criticism that's 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.360 come out because a lot was made of and it's 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.479 just a part of it. Lit they're women. They're fabulous women. 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.279 They and they stepped out fabbed up. 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.719 Yes, they looked like they were on the set of 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.200 a movie or they were on the cover of an album, 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:32.640 and it. 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:34.120 Looked But you know, I don't mind that. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.400 I think as a woman, you can celebrate your greatness 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.640 or your accomplishments or what you've achieved in your life, 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.440 your intellect, and also be hot and fine and you know, 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:44.880 do your hair the way you want to do it, 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:46.839 and put your makeup on and be all the things 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.599 that make being female fabulous to a lot of us. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.320 So I don't mind having those two things come together. 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:54.839 But you also have to prepare yourself for some of 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.719 I mean, like I mentioned this in Morning Run yesterday. 0:06:57.760 --> 0:06:59.680 I believe I got a kick out of and was 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.000 laughing watching the video of those women Waitless because they 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.400 all had so much hair going on. It was all 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.800 floating in the in the in the capsule and it 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:10.760 was funny to see. But I think that's okay. Like 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.080 you can also laugh at yourself. You can say, yeah, wow, 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.200 that's look at my extensions flying. 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:19.200 Like you know, But is that the thing that's a 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:23.800 part of a criticism that they it looked too much 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:28.160 like you're focused on the glam and the fun, but 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.200 you're trying to make an argument that hey, this was 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.400 a part of science and inspiration. But what it looks 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.440 like is just a bunch of privileged folks getting a 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.000 free ride, a joy ride up that's promotional for a 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.000 guy who's already one of the richest on the planet. 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.960 I think that is that legitimate. 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:45.800 It's legit. 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.320 I think, you know, people are entitled to their opinions, 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.480 and they certainly put themselves out there in a way 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:54.520 that provided that fodder for folks who wanted to take 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.440 advantage of it. One hundred percent. But I also just 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:58.360 think we shouldn't be afraid to be who we are, 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.400 to celebrate what we do and to enjoy it. I 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.920 enjoyed the coverage. I enjoyed the build up to it. 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:07.960 I thought it made it more fun to watch and 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:11.240 witness because we were anticipating it, we were excited about it. 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.520 This is what television producers do. We understand that very well, 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.400 and I think a big part of this world is 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.720 getting people to care. I think we're in such a 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:23.560 frenetic time in this world where we're also distracted. We 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.720 all have our phones all no one's paying attention to 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.600 anything and very rarely any kind of live event. So 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.760 I think it's pretty cool when you can collectively get 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.199 people to sit down, put their phones down, and watch 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:34.880 something happen. 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:36.400 And they were able to do that. 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:38.679 You can criticize how they did it, why they did it, 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:40.000 but they did accomplish that. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.520 So there is what So that first part I was 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:45.120 talking about with you, there is a legitimate conversation to 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.600 be had about it, all this and what went into it, 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.000 and then what do we get out of it? And 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.800 an inspiration. Let's just all have a conversation about this 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.080 and that's fine. You can disagree with it and just 0:08:56.160 --> 0:09:08.120 respectfully have that conversation. Now, the next leg of this 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.120 goes into the actual criticism that's come from some notable names, 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:16.120 in particular Emily Raki. I'm saying, right, model activist author. 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:17.640 I think everybody, if you don't know her name, you 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.240 certainly know her face. Now, she had a criticism her 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:26.840 body if you want, but she had a criticism. First 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.240 of all, she is the one that's being quoted most 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.160 out there. Tell folks initially, I guess we should start 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:33.920 with that, because she has some very strong works. 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:37.200 Okay, So, and this is why she is because she 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:39.760 didn't just say one thing. She said a lot. And 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:44.480 it started with that space mission thing morning. It's that 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:48.280 space miss sorry, that space mission this morning, that end 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:52.040 time shit like this is beyond parody, saying that you 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.480 care about mother Earth and it's about mother Earth, that 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.320 it's going up in a spaceship that is built and 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.679 paid for by a company that's single handedly destroying the planet. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:01.679 Get the state of the world and think about how 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.920 many resources went into putting these women into space and 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.000 for what for what what was the marketing there? And 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.720 then to try and make it like I'm disgusted, literally, 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:13.559 I'm disgusting. 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:16.720 Okay, if she would have stopped before the I'm disgusted, 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:20.120 would it have come off the same way, because she 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:21.640 did seem like she was kind of going out to 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:22.360 Jeff Bezos. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:24.920 It was, but then she called it a parody. 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:27.960 And then yes, when she said disgusting or that she 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:32.040 was disgusted, that was obviously taking it to a whole 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.480 other level and it got mean, and it it just 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:39.040 it it to me, took away any point she was 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.480 making because now it just feels it just feels like 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.920 her egos involved. Her ego got triggered because she didn't 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:47.720 like what she saw, and so then she feels the 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.640 need or at least the ability to lash out and 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:53.280 to whom andto what. And I would ask her, what's 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.400 your point? Like, you can still make your point without 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.040 having to attack. You can still make your point. And 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:00.760 I always feel like this, if you have an issue 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:05.400 with something or someone, ask questions instead of pointing the finger, 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.480 and then you can come up with a reasonable deduction 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.600 of what you think. And you have a right to 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.760 your opinion, But ask questions first, perhaps before you start 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:15.680 pointing the finger and blaming and shaming, and. 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.160 Honestly, she has she's been outspoken on several issues, and 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.640 she has absolutely the right to her opinion. But this 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:24.319 is what really got And I'm sure Gail and crew. 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.920 Are very much awaretic, so they have responded. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.360 To specifically to her again not specific okay, I'm but 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:35.000 they're surely aware of someone who has this kind of 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.320 platform and following talking about them in such a way, 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:41.040 she used words like this line. Privilege is not an accomplishment, 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:45.079 Exploitation is not an accomplishment. She said. We need to 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.600 be able to discern what real progress looks like, and 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.440 what happened yesterday was nothing like that. Again, a right 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.560 to an opinion, but it it doesn't seem like we're 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.800 having a conversation. A conversation was started with the trip, perhaps, 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.920 but now it's just the headlines and these things happen 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.360 all the time, and we've been in the midst of this. 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.839 Why where you see the headlines soone's on claps back, 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.760 or someone's on respond someone's going backlash and hits back, 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.480 instead of us having a conversation about what actually took place, 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.240 where talking about women attacking each other. 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.959 I know, and that's really tough because it isn't as 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.520 you mentioned just Emily Radakowski, I mean she had probably 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.920 would not probably definitely these strongest language and went after 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.960 the mission Jeff Bezos himself and the women just basically 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:33.959 eviscerating them all. But Amy Schumer also went on and 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:38.680 put a video up and mocked getting a call about 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:40.800 getting an opportunity to go up to space, and was 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.240 just really sarcastic and dead pan, and just. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:45.000 Her point was that the trip was pointless. 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.000 Her point was that the trip was pointless. That you know, 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.440 we saw the women bring things up that were meaningful. 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.320 She made it seem like it was all meaningless. So 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.600 she was in the same vein. We also heard Olivia 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:59.040 Wilde not heard she put up a post saying, basically, 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.240 this is just a billion dollars spent for a meme 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:05.360 and took the took the image of Katie Perry kissing 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.280 the ground and just made fun of her on that. 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.400 And then even Olivia Munn a few weeks before the 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:14.160 mission began, actually was quoted or she was speaking to 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:19.760 Hoda and Friends on the Today Show and she was questioning, oh, sorry, Hoda, 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:24.360 I met Jenna and Friends Hoda's gone. It's Jenna and friends. 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:27.600 Miss Oh my gosh, Jenna and friends. But she said, 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.160 I know this is probably not the cool thing to say, 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.680 but there are so many more important things to be 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:34.840 doing in this world, basically than going up to space. 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.640 She was I think she was maybe the first one 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.920 to say something critical, but then you know, she was 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.320 actually pretty soft and not that mean spirited about it. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.400 She was just questioning the importance of it or the 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:48.439 reason why. 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:49.520 What she did call it glutness. 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:51.360 She did call it gltness. 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.320 Talk about being on the cover of L magazine, Like, 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.480 what's the point? Why are you doing all this? That's 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.880 a legitimate Let's have a conversation about it again. It 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.480 was a very very strong words. Does it matter at all? 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.200 This is the other part of the conversation or other thing 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.440 I want to ask you about. Does it matter or 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:10.400 should it matter who the criticism is coming from. I 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.000 hate to look at the critic now and say, well, oh, 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.520 you just do this, or you just do that, or 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:17.400 you don't have any place to say. It's not that. 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:19.280 I mean, these folks have a platform and they are 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:24.000 legit and accomplished and impressive in their own way. But 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:28.600 some are wanting to look at the criticizer and say, well, 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.640 actually you don't. You don't have any leg to stand 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:31.960 on it. 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.320 You shouldn't be the one pointing the finger, right. So 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.440 the problem is then we all pileon. So if you 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.360 start criticizing the people who are criticizing them, we're all 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.720 we're all dragged down into the mud. So that isn't 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.000 what we're trying to do here. It's just to make 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:50.000 the point that it's I'm disappointed as a woman to 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.800 see other women reacting to each other this way. Again, 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.560 we can all disagree, we can all question whether or 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:58.920 not this was a good use of resources, but a 0:14:58.920 --> 0:14:59.520 good use. 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:00.680 Of someone's private money. 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:02.360 I don't know if I have a right to tell 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.440 anyone else how to spend their money or not, So 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.720 I just I would just ask that we all remember 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.400 to be kind, that we can have comments, that we 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:14.200 can have opinions, that we can further a conversation. I 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.080 think it's an opportunity to have some of these conversations. 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.600 But once you start making someone feel like they've done 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:25.040 something wrong, or that you've shamed them for wasting resources 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:28.360 or for wasting money, suddenly, then all of those people 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.320 now feel defensive and then they lash back and it. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.480 Just gets ugly. And that's not the point. 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.880 The point is I hope that everybody wants a better 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:41.440 way forward, a better way to communicate. It's just sad 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.920 when you see it all unravel this way so publicly, 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:48.520 and it just reinforces that cat fighting. Women can't get along, 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.600 women can't be happy for one another. Women can't And 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:53.680 I will say, you saw those six women who come 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.680 from very different walks of life, represented from all different 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:01.160 colors and backgrounds together excite? Did? You can say what 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.960 you want. But I thought the squealing was. I thought 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.240 it was joyful. I thought it was It made me smile. 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.560 I was excited that they were excited, and I imagined 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.400 how scary and crazy that must have felt to go 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.760 up and do something like that, and to test your 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:20.160 own fears and to push past them. I thought there 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:21.680 were a lot of lessons that could be learned, that 0:16:21.720 --> 0:16:24.960 could be good and sweet takeaways. And yes, we can. 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.600 I just I just feel like sometimes I gets lost 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:33.840 and I hate seeing women just not support one another. 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.160 You can still question, you can still ask, you can 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.400 still disagree, But do we have to tear each other down. 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.480 No, we're not suggesting at all that should be just 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.960 blanket support or there should be no criticism. And look, 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.440 we play a role, and we have been many years 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:50.760 and been questioned in coverage of things we do, or 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.680 or why are you all going there and doing this 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:57.040 fun thing? When this, you know what, very sweetheart, is 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:02.000 a very good point. When Stray went to you and 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:06.160 I do the special report and that same day overnight 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.680 you remember what there was a tragedy with tornadoes in Kentucky, 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.160 was it not? Yes, And there was a huge debate 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.639 within the ABC GMA at the time about what we 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.440 should do and how we should cover a tragedy. I mean, 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.520 I believe like a hundred people might have been killed 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.320 on the same day that we are seeing straighthand go 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.719 to space. And this was like back to back special 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:26.960 reports almost we were doing. 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.679 I remember I was there in West Texas and I 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.320 was in my vehicle on the phone on a conference 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:37.240 call with you and a couple of our executives discussing 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.800 the top of the special report because yes, we're breaking 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.760 in a special report, Michael Strahan goes to space, and 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:48.080 yet we have a massive national tragedy where dozens if not. 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:48.960 I think you're right. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.200 It was a very high death toll, and these tornadoes 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.880 had ravaged the area overnight, and we had to balance 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.639 the special report with the breaking news, which you handled 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:00.879 off the top and then pivoted to space. 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.919 We had to try to do both. It is a. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:07.199 Sometimes these types of stories are a fine needle to 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.760 thread because you're trying to make sure we are of 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:15.320 service but also highlighting one of our colleagues and friends what. 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.399 We did there. And I know you've gone through this 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:20.680 plenty of times your career as well, where a network 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:25.160 will make an attempt to justify what it's doing by saying, well, 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.920 this is for science, Well this is for where we're 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.600 doing this really because we're going to give this environmental 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.160 impact or we're trying to highlight climate change, but really 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.679 it's kind of just a fun exercise. I remember what 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.200 we did that day was embrace it. We embraced folks. 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.800 We understand there's a tragedy going on right now and 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.080 we're going to be covering it, but also there's something 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:50.120 else going on today that is going to be inspirational. 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.119 It's scary, but we kind of put in context. We 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:56.359 understand this isn't the most important thing going on in 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.080 the world, but we're also going to acknowledge that it 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.240 is still something that's significant that's happening. We embrace. I 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:06.600 remember us just acknowledging, Yeah, this isn't the biggest deal 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:08.600 right now in the world, but we're going to show 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.040 it to you. For this reason, I think maybe some 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:14.480 of the criticism is now coming from there's the content, 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.639 it's not putting in proper context. You're going up and 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:21.040 it's glamorous thing and celebrity driven, and you're trying to 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.119 tell me this is for stem like it's almost some 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:26.360 of the criticisms like don't treat me like I'm stupid. 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:29.600 Right, Maybe there needed to be better acknowledgment, better perspective 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:33.200 as you just put it, and that way people wouldn't 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:37.840 feel so like, don't serve me, you know, dessert and 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.399 tell me it's vegetables. And I think that maybe rubbed 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.160 people the wrong way. And then some folks just got 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.840 so upset about it that they ranted, literally ranted on 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:51.640 social media. And we talked about the prominent women who 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.760 put their faces in their names to their displeasure, But 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.159 you were looking on Twitter on X, I guess is 0:19:58.160 --> 0:19:58.880 what it's called now. 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:00.520 And it was brutal, even worse. 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:01.840 It's awful. 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:03.640 You want to talk about some of it, because Gail 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.320 King did say she was very upset. She said this 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.399