1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: Hey, the folks in this episode strong successful inspiring women 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: criticizing other strong, successful inspiring women. And with that, welcome 3 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ. And we have 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: to admit, Robes, this is an episode we did not 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: necessarily plan or expect to record. But there's been so 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: much buzz around Blue Origin and that historic all female 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: crew that went up and came back down. But I 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: have been surprised, Robes at how much criticism they've gotten. 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: I have been surprised as well. We need to fully disclose. 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: We'll be transparent here. We were excited. We watched the launch, 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: We felt the excitement, and I certainly as a woman, 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: felt proud to see six women go up in space. 13 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: Some of them, of course, were NASA scientists, but others were, 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: you know, just people who we know and love and 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: recognize either through television or know what we listened to 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: on the radio. 17 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 3: Katie Perry, Gail King, we. 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: Should stay different levels of accomplishment. Yes, you had scientists 19 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: on there, and astrophysicist, all these kinds of things. But 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: Katie Perry's wildly successful, Gail King wildly successful. Lauren Santez 21 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: had a successful career and doing her thing So this 22 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: is a crew that's not just celebrity. These are accomplished women. 23 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: Correct, and women who we look up to, women who 24 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: we turn to when we want to either be entertained 25 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: or informed or to learn something from. 26 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 3: So yes, I was excited. 27 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: I was completely surprised when I saw the remarkable and 28 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: biting criticism. We expect it on Twitter. And we'll get 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: into that because of course everyone always has a comment, 30 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: and everyone loves to throw barbs thinking they're in an 31 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: enclosed basement where no one can know who they are 32 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: because they're anonymous. But the people, the women who have 33 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: come forward, who are also celebrities in their own right, 34 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: who have a pulpit, who have people who listen and 35 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: follow them, it's fine to disagree. It's fine to be 36 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 2: I even think constructively critical. 37 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: That's okay. 38 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 2: Those conversations ken and should happen, and we should welcome them. 39 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: But when you start getting mean and sarcastic, and start 40 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: just saying words and using words like disgusting and gluttonous. 41 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: I then I feel sad. 42 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: It's like I felt uplifted as a woman, and then 43 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: I just felt so frustrated as a woman, because why 44 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: do we tear each other down so much. Again, we 45 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: can disagree, we can have different opinions, but we don't 46 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: have to be mean spirited. 47 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: So I want to take it with you from I 48 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 1: guess a few different angles, one being just legit criticism 49 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: and conversation we can have about the use of this 50 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: time and money to send these celebrities essentially most of 51 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: them up in the space. Two who the criticism is 52 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: coming from. Should that make a difference? And then three 53 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: the words used during the criticism, And so these are 54 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: three different answer. So let's take it from I guess 55 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: the top with I guess the criticism, talk about the 56 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: criticism itself of this being wasteful, this being a waste 57 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: of time, a publicity stump, this is unnecessary, all that's 58 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: going on in the world. I hate to just say, yeah, 59 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: egg prices are going, Yes, everybody has all kinds of issues. 60 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: That's never a perfect time in the world to just 61 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: do something for fun, it seems on this level, and 62 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: with all this money involved, is never a right time. 63 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: But still, is there any issue you take or certainly 64 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: understand with somebody else taking with Hey, guys, do we 65 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: really need to be putting on this big show right now? 66 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: Look, everyone has an agenda I think in the world, 67 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: and I would love for that money to be all 68 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: put into cancer research so we can find a cure 69 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: to cancer. Sure, that would be amazing. But at the 70 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 2: end of the day, I understand how business and industry works. 71 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: And also, this is a private business. Blue Origin is 72 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: a private company. We're not talking about NASA, We're not 73 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: talking about a government funded agency. We're talking about a 74 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 2: private business. And truthfully, I do believe having space exploration 75 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: and pushing that and making that more accessible and making 76 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: that more available could lend to all sorts of other innovations. 77 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: I don't know what they are. I'm not a scientist. 78 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: We should say that's always been the argument with NASA. 79 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: Everybody says, why are we wasting all this money going 80 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: to spay? Anybody can always make that argument, that's always 81 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: there to So this is private. 82 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: Business, correct, So I think when it's private business, that's 83 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 2: that private business owner's decision to do what he wants 84 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: to do with his money and with his team. 85 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 3: But I also just want to say I don't know enough. 86 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: About what they are learning about space travel, what they 87 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: are learning about science in these adventures and in these 88 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: space missions, but I think they're possibly leading us in 89 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: a direction we may need to eventually go in the 90 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 2: world where they're baby steps building blocks. 91 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: But do we need that? Do we have to have 92 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 1: a justification for it to be okay? Can we not 93 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: just say they inspired a bunch of people by going up. 94 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: It made a bunch of kids think about the stars? 95 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: Is not Can it not just be that? Do I 96 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: need to know how them going up led to some 97 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: medical or scientific breakthrough? Can it not just be enough 98 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: that they inspired others and did something cool period? 99 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 2: To your point, Yes, I think so. I think that's 100 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 2: something that Gail pointed out to Gail King. I think 101 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: Lauren Sanchez says something about all the young girls that 102 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: they have heard from who now think and dream that 103 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: they could become astronauts and that they could get into 104 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 2: science and those stem types of careers that have not 105 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: been traditionally female forward. 106 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 3: So I do think there is value just in and 107 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 3: of that. 108 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: And I just think people can point to you should 109 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: have spent your money this way, or you should have 110 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: used those resources to do this. Anybody can always say that, 111 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: and that's fine, And those are conversations that can and 112 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: should potentially happen. 113 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: So the legit conversation for me, at least in terms 114 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: of debating critism that we could have was it a 115 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: little too showy? Look, this was a lot and baby 116 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: that's okay. But it's been a month plus from the 117 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: announcement and they were okay. Look, Gail, you said, I 118 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: didn't see this until you pointed out to me a 119 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: second ago. But she actually meant that she thinks there 120 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: is a sexist element to some of the criticism that's 121 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: come out because a lot was made of and it's 122 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: just a part of it. Lit they're women. They're fabulous women. 123 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 1: They and they stepped out fabbed up. 124 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: Yes, they looked like they were on the set of 125 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: a movie or they were on the cover of an album, 126 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: and it. 127 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 3: Looked But you know, I don't mind that. 128 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: I think as a woman, you can celebrate your greatness 129 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: or your accomplishments or what you've achieved in your life, 130 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: your intellect, and also be hot and fine and you know, 131 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: do your hair the way you want to do it, 132 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: and put your makeup on and be all the things 133 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 2: that make being female fabulous to a lot of us. 134 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: So I don't mind having those two things come together. 135 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 2: But you also have to prepare yourself for some of 136 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 2: I mean, like I mentioned this in Morning Run yesterday. 137 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: I believe I got a kick out of and was 138 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: laughing watching the video of those women Waitless because they 139 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: all had so much hair going on. It was all 140 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: floating in the in the in the capsule and it 141 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: was funny to see. But I think that's okay. Like 142 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: you can also laugh at yourself. You can say, yeah, wow, 143 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: that's look at my extensions flying. 144 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: Like you know, But is that the thing that's a 145 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: part of a criticism that they it looked too much 146 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: like you're focused on the glam and the fun, but 147 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: you're trying to make an argument that hey, this was 148 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: a part of science and inspiration. But what it looks 149 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: like is just a bunch of privileged folks getting a 150 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: free ride, a joy ride up that's promotional for a 151 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: guy who's already one of the richest on the planet. 152 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: I think that is that legitimate. 153 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 3: It's legit. 154 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: I think, you know, people are entitled to their opinions, 155 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: and they certainly put themselves out there in a way 156 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: that provided that fodder for folks who wanted to take 157 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: advantage of it. One hundred percent. But I also just 158 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: think we shouldn't be afraid to be who we are, 159 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: to celebrate what we do and to enjoy it. I 160 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: enjoyed the coverage. I enjoyed the build up to it. 161 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: I thought it made it more fun to watch and 162 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: witness because we were anticipating it, we were excited about it. 163 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: This is what television producers do. We understand that very well, 164 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: and I think a big part of this world is 165 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: getting people to care. I think we're in such a 166 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: frenetic time in this world where we're also distracted. We 167 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: all have our phones all no one's paying attention to 168 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: anything and very rarely any kind of live event. So 169 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: I think it's pretty cool when you can collectively get 170 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 2: people to sit down, put their phones down, and watch 171 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: something happen. 172 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: And they were able to do that. 173 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 2: You can criticize how they did it, why they did it, 174 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: but they did accomplish that. 175 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: So there is what So that first part I was 176 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: talking about with you, there is a legitimate conversation to 177 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: be had about it, all this and what went into it, 178 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: and then what do we get out of it? And 179 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: an inspiration. Let's just all have a conversation about this 180 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: and that's fine. You can disagree with it and just 181 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: respectfully have that conversation. Now, the next leg of this 182 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: goes into the actual criticism that's come from some notable names, 183 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: in particular Emily Raki. I'm saying, right, model activist author. 184 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: I think everybody, if you don't know her name, you 185 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: certainly know her face. Now, she had a criticism her 186 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: body if you want, but she had a criticism. First 187 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: of all, she is the one that's being quoted most 188 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: out there. Tell folks initially, I guess we should start 189 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: with that, because she has some very strong works. 190 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 2: Okay, So, and this is why she is because she 191 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: didn't just say one thing. She said a lot. And 192 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: it started with that space mission thing morning. It's that 193 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: space miss sorry, that space mission this morning, that end 194 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: time shit like this is beyond parody, saying that you 195 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: care about mother Earth and it's about mother Earth, that 196 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: it's going up in a spaceship that is built and 197 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 2: paid for by a company that's single handedly destroying the planet. 198 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: Get the state of the world and think about how 199 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: many resources went into putting these women into space and 200 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 2: for what for what what was the marketing there? And 201 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: then to try and make it like I'm disgusted, literally, 202 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 2: I'm disgusting. 203 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: Okay, if she would have stopped before the I'm disgusted, 204 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: would it have come off the same way, because she 205 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: did seem like she was kind of going out to 206 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos. 207 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 3: It was, but then she called it a parody. 208 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 2: And then yes, when she said disgusting or that she 209 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: was disgusted, that was obviously taking it to a whole 210 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: other level and it got mean, and it it just 211 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: it it to me, took away any point she was 212 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: making because now it just feels it just feels like 213 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: her egos involved. Her ego got triggered because she didn't 214 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: like what she saw, and so then she feels the 215 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: need or at least the ability to lash out and 216 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: to whom andto what. And I would ask her, what's 217 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: your point? Like, you can still make your point without 218 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 2: having to attack. You can still make your point. And 219 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: I always feel like this, if you have an issue 220 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: with something or someone, ask questions instead of pointing the finger, 221 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 2: and then you can come up with a reasonable deduction 222 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: of what you think. And you have a right to 223 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: your opinion, But ask questions first, perhaps before you start 224 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 2: pointing the finger and blaming and shaming, and. 225 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: Honestly, she has she's been outspoken on several issues, and 226 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: she has absolutely the right to her opinion. But this 227 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: is what really got And I'm sure Gail and crew. 228 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: Are very much awaretic, so they have responded. 229 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: To specifically to her again not specific okay, I'm but 230 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: they're surely aware of someone who has this kind of 231 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: platform and following talking about them in such a way, 232 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: she used words like this line. Privilege is not an accomplishment, 233 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: Exploitation is not an accomplishment. She said. We need to 234 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: be able to discern what real progress looks like, and 235 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: what happened yesterday was nothing like that. Again, a right 236 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: to an opinion, but it it doesn't seem like we're 237 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: having a conversation. A conversation was started with the trip, perhaps, 238 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: but now it's just the headlines and these things happen 239 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: all the time, and we've been in the midst of this. 240 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 1: Why where you see the headlines soone's on claps back, 241 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: or someone's on respond someone's going backlash and hits back, 242 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: instead of us having a conversation about what actually took place, 243 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: where talking about women attacking each other. 244 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 2: I know, and that's really tough because it isn't as 245 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: you mentioned just Emily Radakowski, I mean she had probably 246 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: would not probably definitely these strongest language and went after 247 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: the mission Jeff Bezos himself and the women just basically 248 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 2: eviscerating them all. But Amy Schumer also went on and 249 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 2: put a video up and mocked getting a call about 250 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: getting an opportunity to go up to space, and was 251 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: just really sarcastic and dead pan, and just. 252 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: Her point was that the trip was pointless. 253 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: Her point was that the trip was pointless. That you know, 254 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: we saw the women bring things up that were meaningful. 255 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: She made it seem like it was all meaningless. So 256 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: she was in the same vein. We also heard Olivia 257 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: Wilde not heard she put up a post saying, basically, 258 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: this is just a billion dollars spent for a meme 259 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: and took the took the image of Katie Perry kissing 260 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: the ground and just made fun of her on that. 261 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: And then even Olivia Munn a few weeks before the 262 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: mission began, actually was quoted or she was speaking to 263 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: Hoda and Friends on the Today Show and she was questioning, oh, sorry, Hoda, 264 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: I met Jenna and Friends Hoda's gone. It's Jenna and friends. 265 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 2: Miss Oh my gosh, Jenna and friends. But she said, 266 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: I know this is probably not the cool thing to say, 267 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 2: but there are so many more important things to be 268 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: doing in this world, basically than going up to space. 269 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: She was I think she was maybe the first one 270 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 2: to say something critical, but then you know, she was 271 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: actually pretty soft and not that mean spirited about it. 272 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: She was just questioning the importance of it or the 273 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 2: reason why. 274 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: What she did call it glutness. 275 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 3: She did call it gltness. 276 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: Talk about being on the cover of L magazine, Like, 277 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: what's the point? Why are you doing all this? That's 278 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: a legitimate Let's have a conversation about it again. It 279 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: was a very very strong words. Does it matter at all? 280 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: This is the other part of the conversation or other thing 281 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: I want to ask you about. Does it matter or 282 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: should it matter who the criticism is coming from. I 283 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: hate to look at the critic now and say, well, oh, 284 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: you just do this, or you just do that, or 285 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: you don't have any place to say. It's not that. 286 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: I mean, these folks have a platform and they are 287 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: legit and accomplished and impressive in their own way. But 288 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: some are wanting to look at the criticizer and say, well, 289 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: actually you don't. You don't have any leg to stand 290 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: on it. 291 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: You shouldn't be the one pointing the finger, right. So 292 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: the problem is then we all pileon. So if you 293 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: start criticizing the people who are criticizing them, we're all 294 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: we're all dragged down into the mud. So that isn't 295 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: what we're trying to do here. It's just to make 296 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: the point that it's I'm disappointed as a woman to 297 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: see other women reacting to each other this way. Again, 298 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: we can all disagree, we can all question whether or 299 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: not this was a good use of resources, but a 300 00:14:58,920 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: good use. 301 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: Of someone's private money. 302 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: I don't know if I have a right to tell 303 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: anyone else how to spend their money or not, So 304 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: I just I would just ask that we all remember 305 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: to be kind, that we can have comments, that we 306 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 2: can have opinions, that we can further a conversation. I 307 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: think it's an opportunity to have some of these conversations. 308 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: But once you start making someone feel like they've done 309 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: something wrong, or that you've shamed them for wasting resources 310 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: or for wasting money, suddenly, then all of those people 311 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: now feel defensive and then they lash back and it. 312 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: Just gets ugly. And that's not the point. 313 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: The point is I hope that everybody wants a better 314 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: way forward, a better way to communicate. It's just sad 315 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: when you see it all unravel this way so publicly, 316 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: and it just reinforces that cat fighting. Women can't get along, 317 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: women can't be happy for one another. Women can't And 318 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: I will say, you saw those six women who come 319 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: from very different walks of life, represented from all different 320 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 2: colors and backgrounds together excite? Did? You can say what 321 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: you want. But I thought the squealing was. I thought 322 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: it was joyful. I thought it was It made me smile. 323 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: I was excited that they were excited, and I imagined 324 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: how scary and crazy that must have felt to go 325 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: up and do something like that, and to test your 326 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: own fears and to push past them. I thought there 327 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: were a lot of lessons that could be learned, that 328 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: could be good and sweet takeaways. And yes, we can. 329 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: I just I just feel like sometimes I gets lost 330 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: and I hate seeing women just not support one another. 331 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: You can still question, you can still ask, you can 332 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: still disagree, But do we have to tear each other down. 333 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: No, we're not suggesting at all that should be just 334 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: blanket support or there should be no criticism. And look, 335 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: we play a role, and we have been many years 336 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: and been questioned in coverage of things we do, or 337 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: or why are you all going there and doing this 338 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: fun thing? When this, you know what, very sweetheart, is 339 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: a very good point. When Stray went to you and 340 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: I do the special report and that same day overnight 341 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: you remember what there was a tragedy with tornadoes in Kentucky, 342 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: was it not? Yes, And there was a huge debate 343 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: within the ABC GMA at the time about what we 344 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: should do and how we should cover a tragedy. I mean, 345 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: I believe like a hundred people might have been killed 346 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: on the same day that we are seeing straighthand go 347 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,719 Speaker 1: to space. And this was like back to back special 348 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: reports almost we were doing. 349 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 2: I remember I was there in West Texas and I 350 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: was in my vehicle on the phone on a conference 351 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: call with you and a couple of our executives discussing 352 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: the top of the special report because yes, we're breaking 353 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: in a special report, Michael Strahan goes to space, and 354 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: yet we have a massive national tragedy where dozens if not. 355 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 3: I think you're right. 356 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: It was a very high death toll, and these tornadoes 357 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 2: had ravaged the area overnight, and we had to balance 358 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 2: the special report with the breaking news, which you handled 359 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 2: off the top and then pivoted to space. 360 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 3: We had to try to do both. It is a. 361 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 2: Sometimes these types of stories are a fine needle to 362 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 2: thread because you're trying to make sure we are of 363 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 2: service but also highlighting one of our colleagues and friends what. 364 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: We did there. And I know you've gone through this 365 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: plenty of times your career as well, where a network 366 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: will make an attempt to justify what it's doing by saying, well, 367 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: this is for science, Well this is for where we're 368 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: doing this really because we're going to give this environmental 369 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: impact or we're trying to highlight climate change, but really 370 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 1: it's kind of just a fun exercise. I remember what 371 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: we did that day was embrace it. We embraced folks. 372 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: We understand there's a tragedy going on right now and 373 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: we're going to be covering it, but also there's something 374 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: else going on today that is going to be inspirational. 375 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: It's scary, but we kind of put in context. We 376 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: understand this isn't the most important thing going on in 377 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: the world, but we're also going to acknowledge that it 378 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: is still something that's significant that's happening. We embrace. I 379 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: remember us just acknowledging, Yeah, this isn't the biggest deal 380 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: right now in the world, but we're going to show 381 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: it to you. For this reason, I think maybe some 382 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: of the criticism is now coming from there's the content, 383 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: it's not putting in proper context. You're going up and 384 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: it's glamorous thing and celebrity driven, and you're trying to 385 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 1: tell me this is for stem like it's almost some 386 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: of the criticisms like don't treat me like I'm stupid. 387 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: Right, Maybe there needed to be better acknowledgment, better perspective 388 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 2: as you just put it, and that way people wouldn't 389 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 2: feel so like, don't serve me, you know, dessert and 390 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: tell me it's vegetables. And I think that maybe rubbed 391 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 2: people the wrong way. And then some folks just got 392 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 2: so upset about it that they ranted, literally ranted on 393 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: social media. And we talked about the prominent women who 394 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: put their faces in their names to their displeasure, But 395 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 2: you were looking on Twitter on X, I guess is 396 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 2: what it's called now. 397 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 3: And it was brutal, even worse. 398 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: It's awful. 399 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 2: You want to talk about some of it, because Gail 400 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 2: King did say she was very upset. She said this 401 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 2: was a very sexist I mean, look she saw, of course, 402 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: she saw some of the criticism, and. 403 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 3: She labeled it sexist. 404 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 2: She took issue with the fact that they called it 405 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 2: a girl's trip. We called it a trip here on 406 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 2: the podcast on Morning Run, and a lot of folks 407 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: referred to it as a trip. She said, you would 408 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 2: never refer to male astronauts as taking a trip to space. However, TJ, 409 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: you did, you did find that that did happen. 410 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: Of course, has happened with straight had everybody when Schattner went, 411 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: everybody called it taking a ride, taking a trip, a 412 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: joy ride, a thrill ride. 413 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: It's a ride. 414 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: It's a trip. It's eleven minutes in space. It's not 415 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: a mission to Mars or a mission to the moon. 416 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 2: You know, it's it is a trip to space. It 417 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 2: is a ride, right, she said, ride. She was upset 418 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 2: with that word. 419 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: Yes, what did we did? And again and I understand, 420 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: but is do you feel a sexist tinge of the criticism. 421 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: Well, when you started reading what was on X, then yes, 422 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 2: and and look, and I get it. Like you, you know, 423 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 2: you do your you do your hair, you do your ma. 424 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 2: If you're all glammed up, you got to expect a 425 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 2: little bit of that. I mean, I think as women, 426 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: we kind of brace ourselves for that. We understand. I 427 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: don't think any woman should apologize for wanting to look 428 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: her best to be. 429 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 3: On a very highly televised and publicized event. 430 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 2: I would want to have my hair and makeup done too, 431 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 2: so I would never criticize a woman for that. 432 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: You know, how would your hair have been for this trip? 433 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a ponytail girl, but but they but they're not. 434 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 3: And that's fine. 435 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 2: And it looked hilarious and glamorous and fun and I 436 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: enjoyed it. 437 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. 438 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: It looked great. It did in the video of them 439 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: waitless and the hair is everywhere. Some of these are 440 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: tough to watch. 441 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 2: You. 442 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: I am literally have X up right now. The search 443 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: I did was blue Origin and just click latest and 444 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm just going from the top here. Imagine getting the 445 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: chance to be in space for six minutes and spending 446 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: the whole time looking into a camera. That was criticism 447 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: of them, not yep, having the enjoying I guess the 448 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: experience being more than a publicity stunt. Correct. Another one. 449 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: This is a female astronaut which they showed a picture 450 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: of Sally Ride, physics degree from Stanford, several years of training. 451 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: These women going up in Blue Origin are celebrities going 452 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: for a ten minute ride in low orbit. They are 453 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: not astronauts or a crew. Calling them that is an 454 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: insult to all that kind of stuff is out there. 455 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 3: You aren't reading the bad stuff. 456 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 2: There was some talk about you botox and Barren Wombs. 457 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 2: I mean, people really went and took some low blows. 458 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 3: If you feel more comfortable if I read some of them. 459 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 2: But like that, I think people need to understand how 460 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 2: mean it's gotten to. 461 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: Your The one you were talking about it says, and 462 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm quoting folks, behold the gauntlet of Baron Wombs and Botox. 463 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: And that post is up with a picture or the 464 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: video of the women walking onto the capsule. That's tough. 465 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 3: Was there something with the about the ringing of the bell. 466 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: Ring of the bell the unsung hero of the Blue 467 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: Origin female crew and somebody has a like a body 468 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: suit a you call spendex kind of thing. 469 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: Was it called, yeah, just to suck everybody, to suck 470 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: everything in? 471 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of a yeah. 472 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 3: So and those are the low. 473 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: Blows that I think a lot of these women are 474 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: responding to. And you know, I I I don't know 475 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: if I would feel like I needed to clap back. 476 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 2: You know. It's one of those things where sometimes it's 477 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 2: better to say nothing. 478 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 3: Your silence speaks volumes. It can be deafening. 479 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 2: But I do, I actually do really like what Lauren 480 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 2: Sanchez says. She said, I would love to have the 481 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 2: critics come to Blue Origin and see the thousands of 482 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: employees that don't just work here, but they put their 483 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 2: heart and soul into this vehicle. They love their work 484 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 2: and they love the mission, and this is a big 485 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 2: deal for them. And I just thought that was a 486 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 2: good point to make that there are scientists and employees 487 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 2: and teams working feverishly around the clock to make these 488 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: missions successful and to build an industry in a business 489 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: for private space travel, and that is a legitimate I mean, 490 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: I just I understand people who would like those resources 491 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,479 Speaker 2: diverted elsewhere, but it's not their money. 492 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: To your point, take take the women out of this equation. 493 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: It is remarkable what they're able to do with Blue Origin. 494 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: They are able to send people up into space who 495 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: have no training, no experience, and get them back safely 496 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: without a pilot. That's what the science here is remarkable. 497 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,479 Speaker 3: And what could that lead to we don't know. 498 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: And so that's the thing I think, anytime you're innovating 499 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 2: and you're doing something new, we don't know where that 500 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 2: could lead. We don't know, And I'm not justifying it, 501 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 2: but I understand. I mean, I just would never want 502 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: to be someone to be against innovation. And obviously we 503 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 2: have to do it in understanding of how it works 504 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 2: with our the balance of the Earth and all of 505 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: those things. But I just feel like we're so quick 506 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: to point the finger and to shame people. 507 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: Here's another one for you, But they're passengers, not crew. 508 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: It's a flight, not a mission. They have zero controls 509 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: over the ship. Just sit there, then float for a 510 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: few minutes, then return. It's publicity at best, that kind 511 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: of idea. Look, bottom line, can't both sides be right 512 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: yep and be a little wrong? Yes, right right? You're 513 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: legit in your criticism. Did you have to use that 514 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: language to talk about them. Yes, you're legit in going 515 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: up and taking this trip, but maybe it did go 516 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: a step too far in some of the promotion and 517 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: some of the glamour and some of the there's legit. 518 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: Everybody could be right and everybody can be wrong at 519 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: the same time. The only thing wrong is just how 520 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: we engage and talk to each other sometimes about these things. 521 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: And I had no criticism of anybody to see women, 522 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 1: To sit back and see women this accomplish going after 523 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: each other that strongly, I didn't. That was tough. 524 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it took away all the excitement and pride I 525 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 2: felt in watching those women do what they did, because 526 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 2: look that I don't know that I have it in 527 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: me to go up to space. I don't think I 528 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 2: have that kind of courage to risk. 529 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 3: That to do that. 530 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 2: So I was absolutely in awe of that. And that 531 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: teaches you a lot about who you are and what 532 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 2: you're made of. And I'm sure those women will take 533 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 2: their experience and I hope they will do good with it. 534 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: And the Wendy's thing, what was that about? Why did 535 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: Wendy's criticize Katy Perry. There were some posts that, oh, yeah, 536 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm looking at your face now, weren't up on this. 537 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: There was a tweet that someone put out, let's say 538 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: Katy Perry has returned. Wendy's from their official Twitter handle responded, 539 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: can we send her back? Yeah? 540 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:45,159 Speaker 2: What? 541 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know what the beef is. Apparently Wendy's 542 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: does a bit of trolling in their social media, but 543 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what their beef is with her. Necessarily, 544 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: I didn't get. 545 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,479 Speaker 2: It, okay, so it looks like so okay from what 546 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 2: I understand Kesha, Oh, it actually is Kesha with the 547 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: Wendy's cup she piled on after. 548 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: After the fact. Yes, but Kesha's at beef with Katy 549 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,239 Speaker 1: Perry for years. That goes back to a producer they 550 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: worked with that Kesha accused of sexual assaut blah blah. 551 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:15,959 Speaker 3: That's right, So you're right. 552 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: Wendy's replied to a post suggesting to center back to space, 553 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 2: and then later in the day, Kesha supported the recommendation 554 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 2: by posting a photo of herself smirking while sipping from 555 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: a Wendy's cup. So you can add Kesha to the 556 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 2: list of women who went after some of the astronauts, 557 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 2: but hers was personal. 558 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: But I don't understand why Wendy's got involved and chimed 559 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: in and tell him send Katy Perry about. I didn't 560 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: get that. 561 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 3: That's wild. 562 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: So again this has gone now and turned into something 563 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: else for whatever reason. Is it worth talking about? Sure, 564 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: always have a conversation about something that was that prominent 565 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: with women. This this prominent. Sure, let's talk about space travel. 566 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the safety, let's talk about stem let's 567 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: talk about these scientists. Let's talk about the criticism. Let's 568 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: talk about it. Oh but good lord, gluttonous. 569 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 3: Disgusting, send her back to space. 570 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: That's just and it's not just fun. It's not good natured. 571 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 1: Some of it seems a little much like the only joke, 572 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: you know what in our morning run, the only joke 573 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: I was going to crack, And I never ended up 574 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: cracking it because I didn't want to. That was gonna 575 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: be a problem. But I'll go ahead and let it 576 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: out here. I'll say, Wow, the length women will go 577 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: to to get away from men on Earth. That was 578 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: the only joke I had. 579 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 3: That's a sweet one. That's a funny one. That's a 580 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 3: self deprecating. 581 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: One, lighthearted stuff. This stuff is mean, man. Some of 582 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: this is just you know what. 583 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 2: We had twelve year olds to being with us watching 584 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: and it was fun to see her watching. I would 585 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: hate for her to see the aftermath and how women 586 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 2: are treating one another. And I just I hope, God, 587 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: I don't know, because once you put it out there, 588 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: that's the thing. I tell my daughters this all the time. 589 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: Once you put it out there on social media, it 590 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,959 Speaker 2: never goes away. This isn't something that you thought, this 591 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: isn't something you whispered to your friend, and any type 592 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,239 Speaker 2: of that sort of mean spirited gossiper is toxic. But 593 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 2: when you put it in writing or you have a 594 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 2: platform and you put it out there for the world, man, 595 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 2: I just I wish everybody could listen to their own 596 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: words and remember that what you put out there comes back, 597 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: and just to please try to remember. You can question, 598 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: you can disagree, but try to put more kindness and 599 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 2: try to put less hate out in the world. 600 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: Again, not again, not taking it by Oh wait, anybody's 601 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: right to criticize. It's not at all what we're suggesting. 602 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: It's just something that again, yes, we as well got 603 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: caught up in like a lot of people did, and 604 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: we were inspired. We were excited, we were on edge, 605 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: we were even nervous for we know. 606 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 3: Gail, and we went through it with straight hand. So 607 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 3: it kind of felt personal to us. 608 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: I was there on the launch site, you were there 609 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 2: manning the special report from mab S News. 610 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 3: We were immersed in it. 611 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we talked to him this week. I mean 612 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: talked him that day. We were going back and forth 613 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: because we couldn't help. But in watching that, think about 614 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: him and think about how we felt, and think about 615 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: what that moment was and it straight And I'm not 616 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: betraying our confidence on our trust here, but well, the 617 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: first the first thing he said when we reached out 618 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: when launch was happening that morning was remembering all the 619 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: reaction he got to our reaction on air and being 620 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: scared and being nervous, like it came through just how 621 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: much we love that guy. It was the first thing 622 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: he said to us this week. So it is it. 623 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: Remember this is space travel. These women had something on 624 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: the line. 625 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 3: They had their lives on the line. This wasn't without 626 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 3: a doubt. 627 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 2: They had their lives on their line and they knew 628 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 2: that and they and they went back and they thought 629 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: about their training. That's what Gail said at least, but yeah, 630 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 2: I give them a little bit of a break. That's 631 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 2: what I would say. Give people a break. Sometimes we 632 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 2: all want to give ourselves a break. You give your 633 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: neighbor a break. 634 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: That's something one of my favorite things. We always judge 635 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: other people by their worst actions, but judge ourselves by 636 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: our best intentions. If you just give somebody just a 637 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: little grace that these are maybe good people who did 638 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: this thing that was exciting and inspirational and important to them. 639 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: It's just a little grace. You can criticize it, just 640 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: a little grace in a moment like this. So congratulations 641 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: certainly to them for getting up there. Glad they're back. 642 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: What's going to happen next, don't know, but man, but yes, 643 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: we had no intention of recording this. We actually as folks. 644 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: If you've been following us this week on Morning Run, 645 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: you know we're on spring break, Sabine her spring break. 646 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: So we got out of town. We are sitting pool 647 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: side and ocean side as we talk here. But we 648 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: our work has continued. We've been doing the Morning Run 649 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: and we've had to do it even earlier. And when 650 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: we get done, we usually t lad out and take 651 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: a nap. You were so fired up about this story 652 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: that you were on the couch looking for a movie 653 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: and we were just going to go to sleep again 654 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: as it Babe, Let's go, yeah, go record one. Yeah. 655 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 2: And I think it's an important conversation to have about 656 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 2: the conversation that is taking place. And hopefully, man, we 657 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 2: can all just be the gentler, kinder versions of ourselves 658 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 2: if we just sit and think about how ugly this 659 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 2: is and how I know that we can individually each 660 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: say we're not going to participate. 661 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 3: So with that, thank you. 662 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 2: All for listening to this edition of Amy and TJ. 663 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: You can listen to us every morning Monday through Friday 664 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 2: by six thirty am Eastern Time for all the day's 665 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 2: headlines to get you started, and while you're getting where 666 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: you need to go, we'll give you all the information 667 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 2: you need to know. 668 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. I'm Ami Robock and I'm TJ. 669 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: Holmes. What is that little animal over there? 670 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 3: That it's the large rodent? 671 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: Yes, it is, actually I just saw it going through 672 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 2: the bushes and now crossing over by the pool. It's 673 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: it's got a weird name that I can't remember, like 674 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 2: in a goody or something. 675 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: Okay, we're sorry, folks, we're gonna get inside. We're dealing 676 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: with some local wildlife doctor Elson