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Speaker 1: Do I know you? Yes, Maria, I've hired you to

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Speaker 1: sing for the fifty fourth season of Lucky Anti. Oh,

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Speaker 1: of course, come in. I'm just rehearsing, Maria Darling. High. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's it's me. It's Rudolph. Oh, Bing, Darling, how are you.

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Speaker 1: We're very, very excited to have you performed this season.

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Speaker 1: As you know, this is a slight problem. We simply

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Speaker 1: you are asked, very fussy. Do you hear that he

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Speaker 1: can't do the eight thousand? What Chicago wants to give

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Speaker 1: me a thousand to do ata at the Chicago Lyric Cup. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but Darling, you're not going to be exposed to the

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Speaker 1: not gonna be possible either, Darling. I need to fly

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Speaker 1: my teacher, my teachers in rama, my husband's rama. We

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Speaker 1: always fly. We have we are practices, we have a

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Speaker 1: dinner's Also, you've asked for a budget of an entire

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Speaker 1: Virginia Ham in the dressing room every single night. That's

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Speaker 1: not going to be possible either. Oh do you think

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Speaker 1: I sing so well? Eat um, Maria Darling. You're one

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Speaker 1: of the most incredible performers I know in the industry.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we love to have you here for the

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Speaker 1: excited about you. But oh, you're so so sweet being yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: but you also must simply stop putting your cigarettes out

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Speaker 1: It's simply, it's very difficult to have to explain why

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Speaker 1: parents but their faces are mangled. Growing up in Greater Roma, Dude,

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Speaker 1: and he would say, sing for me, Maria, and then

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Speaker 1: very honest. You look wonderful. Okay, the weight that you've

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Speaker 1: under enormous financial stress by being sued by a former manager.

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Speaker 1: And if I fucking bastard, if you start, if you

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Speaker 1: agree to do this, I will pay you in cash,

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Speaker 1: and therefore your former manager will not be able to

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Speaker 1: get his grubby little nits on yourself. Oh bing, how

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Speaker 1: about you pay me in cash, but you pay it

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Speaker 1: to my husband first, because we have he deals. The

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Speaker 1: And I will stop with the cigarettes, but I also

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Speaker 1: I come in, and I do want now, I want

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Speaker 1: two hems. I want to get in the way back.

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Speaker 1: All right, listen, it's a deal. Pay it in cash,

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Speaker 1: No more cigarettes, double the ham. Thank you, Maria. Perfect

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Speaker 1: of being but perfect good luck. Passion sah boost that

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Speaker 1: knocking at the door. It's all your friends, your filthy horse.

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Speaker 1: Your husband's gone, and we've got books and a bottle

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Speaker 1: of wine to kill. It's books, it's gossip. I'm shook,

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Speaker 1: it's memoir, it's Martinius. Clebrit book Club can read it

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Speaker 1: while it's hot. Celebrity book Club. Tell your secrets. We

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Speaker 1: won't talk celebrity books. No boys are alloud, celebrited book

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Speaker 1: say it Loud and poud, celebrity book club buzz mean

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Speaker 1: I brought the Queer film. Hey, best friend, are you?

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Speaker 1: It's so good to see you, milady. Oh you look plump?

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Speaker 1: Thank you big? Just how I like my singers. I've

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Speaker 1: pass Stephen, It's really good to see you. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: playing fourhand piano, which means you're playing piano with another

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Speaker 1: it these days, fourhand piano, okay, which I thought was

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Speaker 1: very apropos because, of course, this week we read a

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Speaker 1: He would wait outside the Metropolitan Opera to get Renauted

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Speaker 1: to Baldi's autographs. Heard anything straighter? I mean, my goodness,

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Speaker 1: this store. One of the worst battles I had was

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Speaker 1: with a buyer who had purchased a consignment of ink

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Speaker 1: pots with covers depicting the heads of Churchill and Roosevelt,

425
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Speaker 1: complete with cigar and cigarette and holder. One lifted their

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Speaker 1: scalps to find black or red ink. I imagine in

427
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: those days it was Churchill's head that held the red ink.

428
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Speaker 1: It's like, I don't even get what that joke is.

429
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Speaker 1: I simply refused to place these molood was on his hands.

430
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. I simply refuse to place these

431
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Speaker 1: monstrosities on display. And ultimately I was summoned to explain

432
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Speaker 1: my conduct to the chirman himself. That sounds like something

433
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Speaker 1: I am buying, literally doubt in my notes. I was like, stop, literally,

434
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 1: he's offended by these ink punts that are so lily.

435
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: I was just like, you would so by it. She

436
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: be like, okay, this is so cool, Like if this

437
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: open Churchill's head and the ink is inside because it's

438
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: really creepy. He got four for fifty dollars at Business

439
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: States like Churchill's Head, so like now Mike could use

440
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 1: it for her India inc. Now got to me going

441
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 1: home tonight, like searching eBay and antiquarina dot com for

442
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: like Churchill's head ink. Rudolph being would be so insulted

443
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: by your sensibility, by your like retro rockabilly Like he'd

444
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Speaker 1: be like, oh the stalls okay. So he gets to

445
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: New York, well no, but after hold quickly, so then

446
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: he invents the Edinburgh Friend Festival. I believe because he's

447
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: just like and then we went to Edinburg and I

448
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: convinced them that they had to do this festival and

449
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 1: like a feeling so iconic. It's crazy because like he

450
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: is running like he is such a girl boss and

451
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: like this insane way. It's like yeah, no, I mean

452
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: he's business about it. He has an incredible artistic eye.

453
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Speaker 1: And then he's also been like because I remember at

454
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Speaker 1: the beginning he was just like, you know, a big

455
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: pot of being a manager is the scheduling, and so

456
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: I would put out all these pain he like was

457
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Speaker 1: doing the first like Google calendar when he was like

458
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Speaker 1: puttying and all these pages on the floor of his

459
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: office like handwritten, trying to figure out like when people

460
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Speaker 1: should be rehearsing in different halls at different times. And

461
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: it's like, now he could just go to Monday dot

462
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Speaker 1: com and set up like a booking schedule, right and

463
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: just being like, Maria kallis your room three h two? Wait?

464
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: Okay wait? This would be such a like super Bowl

465
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: ad from Monday dot Com where it's like someone in

466
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: the thirties trying to do to make that ad and

467
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: it's like and it's like this dark and it is

468
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: being so guilded age this huge office and all these

469
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Speaker 1: opera singers are storming in being like why shit in

470
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Speaker 1: my room? And then it's like Eva Longoria appears from

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Speaker 1: the future and it's like Trymonday dot Com. Oh that's

472
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: more to fine. Okay, Okay, So then he moves to

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Speaker 1: New York. Okay. Can I read the section where he

474
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Speaker 1: describes the opening night crowd at the met and how

475
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Speaker 1: offensive it is? Yeah, um, many of those in the

476
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Speaker 1: audience were people who came to the opera only this

477
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Speaker 1: once every year cafe society of the lowest order gossip

478
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: writers from the gutter press, celebrity seekers and clowns looking

479
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: for the publicity. The newspapers and now television would give

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Speaker 1: any freakish occurrence or appearance at the Metropolitans opening literally

481
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: us just like any people trying to go to open

482
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: gutter gutter sluts, gutter sluts. Best line ever from the

483
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: movie The Faculty, gossip, gutter sluts, clowns, absolute clowns. I'm

484
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: like that crowd sounds so fab and it's like all

485
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: these like insane like gossip bride columnists like try like

486
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: searching to get a glimp of like Tuscanini. Yeah, and

487
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: they're like hoping that Tuscanini is going to have some

488
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: row with like one of the mezzo sopranos and like

489
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: be so wasted before he gets on stage. And they're

490
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 1: writing this and being is like peering out of his heavy,

491
00:26:54,560 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: heavy velvet curtain and it's just like, oh, creep clowns. Okay,

492
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: this part just in his interview when he's like being

493
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: interviewed by the Metropolitan Opera and is like wondering they're

494
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: not offering him like that much money. But he stays

495
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Speaker 1: at this hotel and he leaves. Do you remember this

496
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: where he leaves his um shoes out in the hallway

497
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: because that was customary in Europe, right, and for them

498
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: to be for them to like shine your shoes as

499
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: you slapped, Yes, and then you wake up and your

500
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: shoes are shined. And then he's like, and I opened

501
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: the door and there were no shoes, Darling. They were stolen, Yes,

502
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: they were stolen. He had to go to meetings all

503
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Speaker 1: day and interview to become the manager with no shoes on.

504
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: But didn't he have like other well I think he know,

505
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: he wore other shoes, but I mean, but they weren't

506
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: his shine shoes, hine shoes. So absolutely horrified, astly, yes,

507
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: I thought. I mean one thing that is, you know,

508
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: really kind of stuck out to me this book is

509
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: like how much funny in there seems to be for

510
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: the arts and like even in small cities, and you

511
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: know that's obviously more common in Europe than it is

512
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: in America. But like, you know, to this day, I

513
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 1: was like, you know, is that kind of funny? But

514
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: you know at that high level there is because I

515
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: was talking to a friend recently said, you know, Darling,

516
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: the general manager of the met these days is making

517
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: two point five million years. I think, of course, there's

518
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: absolutely that kind of money, is there, because I you know,

519
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, Darling is a podcaster. I

520
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: can't even pay my rent. But that I'm thinking, well,

521
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, we're not the mat. No, we're not the mat.

522
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: We're not We're not doing like you are, not the

523
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: conductor yet, we're not doing del like Delpano or Um.

524
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: And so the most the opera that I'm like most

525
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: familiar with UM is Carmen because my sister was in

526
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: UM the Boston Lyric Operas as she was. Yeah, because

527
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: there's all these children in the town and in opera.

528
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: But you know our Massachusetts label laws, But how does

529
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: that intersect with that? I mean, she's not allowed to

530
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: work that many hours a week. No, So she would

531
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: go to rehearsals like in the afternoon, like twice a

532
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: week probably UM, and she would play the soundtrack like

533
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: every day. She was a part of this kid's like

534
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: opera like after school thing. And then they got the

535
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: cast through that UM. And so with Carmen, that's where

536
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: the drama. So he has famous drama with the opera

537
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: singer one of the most famous opera singers the world. Yes,

538
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: they have some serious yeah drama. Well, and then because

539
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: there's a point which she gets fired, he was splashed

540
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: across the headlines being fire as callous. There's always like

541
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: there's always so much gossip or pointies like and of

542
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: course I got off at the plane and Milan and

543
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: the reporters, Yeah, like I love that. Just opera news

544
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: was this bit of a deal, right that It's like

545
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: and that's why those gossip clowns are there so basically

546
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: as first of all, when he goes to like see

547
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: her sing for the first time in Italy, he's like,

548
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 1: she's insanely fat. And then when he talks about her

549
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: losing like weight, he's like, well, she did look better.

550
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: And he was like, she didn't look like a fat

551
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: person who lost weight, which I was. He was like,

552
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: she didn't have any the telltale signs of an ex fatty.

553
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: I was like, you are insane. He was like, she

554
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: wasn't being so like loose skin about it, Like she

555
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: actually looked like she just healthy lost the weight. But

556
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: that is the thing. It's like opera singers were known.

557
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: It was like better if you were people believed it

558
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: was better if you were fat, because like you could

559
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: like sing harder. Here's the part. During this summer, Miss

560
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: Callis lost at least fifty pounds. It became the astonishing, spelt,

561
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: striking woman who conquered the operatic and much more than

562
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: the operatic world. It was like Anderson's fairy tale. She

563
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: showed none of the signs one usually finds and a

564
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: fat woman who has lost weight. She looked as though

565
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: she had been born to that slender and graceful figure

566
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: and had always moved with that elegance. So him and

567
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: Marie callis huge. I think like it's set the world

568
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: of fire like it was the like Michael bay To,

569
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: like um Megan Fox like drama. That's a random reference,

570
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: but like random. Yeah, well you know it was quite

571
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, like Scarlett Your Hands and suing Disney for

572
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: her share of Black Widow whatever. I mean, it was

573
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: really quite intense. And so it starts out with her

574
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: just being this insane diva and she is demanding so much. Oh,

575
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: she's like man any way more money than anyone's ever

576
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: remain She's like, I need like so many plane tickets

577
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: and plane tickets, and then at one point she like

578
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: lowballs him as I feel like a really fun power game,

579
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: which I love for he was like, fun, I will

580
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: offer you six hundred dollars a week, and she goes,

581
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: I'll do it for two hundred dollars. Oh yeah, and

582
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: he was like, no, you will do it for six

583
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: hundred dollars a week, because obviously he knew she did

584
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: for two hundred dollars, she'd have something up her slee.

585
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: He also refers to her concubines, which I wonder was

586
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: she buy because he was like, and I will not

587
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: pay for tickets for any like lovers, squirrels, pets are concubine.

588
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: What do you say? Like, well, the later part where

589
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: we're talking about the irs, like at the very end,

590
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: and he was just being like, and you know the

591
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: way that European singers try to conceal their income from

592
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: the irs, like poodles become secretaries, like husbands become agents,

593
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: and like everyone is like suddenly a write off. Rarely

594
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: did they have composers for new composers, right, because usually

595
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: they're just like doing Mozart and Mateove and whatnot. They're

596
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: doing dead guy stuff right or doing you know the

597
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: old operas. You know Aida right, um and so, and

598
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: he's like new operas didn't do that well, which I

599
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: feel like just until now, like is still the thing.

600
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: I think it's really hard to break through with a

601
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: new opera. Well, certainly at the Met I mean obviously

602
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: it's just like you know, PS One, it is putting

603
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: on Colin Soft's opera, right, you can do like your

604
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: experimental queer opera like at museum stuff and like art

605
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: world stuff is doing that, but in the actual opera

606
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: world they're not, And like the Cincinnati Orchestra is not

607
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: even doing But I've read about like some new opera

608
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: like last year, and of course I do not remember

609
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: what it is, but I do remember, and it was

610
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: like Lily read about an opera last year. Look, and

611
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: as you know, I, as I mentioned, I come from

612
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: an opera family, so I like to stay. Can you stay? Actually,

613
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: if I may pause for a second, do you like opera? Yes?

614
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: Because I have to say I actually don't like opera

615
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: that much. I am so much more anti classical because

616
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: I love words, I love singing. I need Birdhound overshion,

617
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, um and so an opera to me, I

618
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: also find the music like a little bit like sucks

619
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: here than just strings, violin b blah blah blah, you know, Pafferati,

620
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: Like it feels like someone's getting a murdered, you know,

621
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: the murder part I love. I guess my where I

622
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: struggle with opera is I do feel like they come

623
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 1: in out of ten and it says it at ten

624
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: the whole time. And there's this insane drama from the

625
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: very beginning of the show where it's it's oh and

626
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, like has anything even happened yet? You

627
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because because the productions are always

628
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: very static, they have to be because of the singing.

629
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: So it's not like there's it's not like an actual,

630
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: you know, musical play. When was the last time you

631
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: saw an opera? I saw an opera. I've sawn up

632
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: at the best embarrassed. I've seen an opera at the

633
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: matt once um and it but you know it is

634
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like the costume is very glamorous.

635
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: But no, they can't like move there's not a movement.

636
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: There's not a ton of dancing, you know what I mean. Yeah,

637
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: they're singing a remember, more like listening. I mean, yes,

638
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: I get it, but I just like, and then I

639
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: don't like that I can't see because you know, when

640
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: you're going to a classical show, when you're seeing the

641
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: Boston's of an Orchestra, you're seeing the players right they're

642
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: on stage. I don't want to see, I guess I

643
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: think because you are a pianist, like I'm not dying,

644
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, but because I'm seeing this big mezzo sopranos

645
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: and she's on stage okay, and she's belting and moving,

646
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: and there's costumes and like someone's dressed us like a lion,

647
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: and then someone's like murdering each other. I don't need

648
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: to see a man in this penguin suit, you know,

649
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: string string string. I also think that because for me,

650
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: and again you know, it's the language thing. It's like,

651
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: you know, they're usually seeing any time, even if there's

652
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: sing in English, it's very hard to understand the actual

653
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: lyrics that they're saying because of But isn't that the

654
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: romance If you're hearing someone sing in Italian? I totally

655
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: get that that's the romance. But for me, it's like

656
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated that I can't actually hear the words are saying,

657
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, as opposed to you go see Chicago one

658
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: by but you can understand every word perfectly, and you know,

659
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: or as supposed to classical were the notes other words? Right?

660
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: And you hear that g sharp and it sounds like

661
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: you actually have a fear of being out of loop.

662
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: Well that is deeply accurate. Um, You're like, well, I

663
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: can't hear the lyrics, then like, wow, this isn't for me.

664
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: I feel so called in and called out and I'm

665
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: you're one hundred percent correct. God, that's so true. It's

666
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: like my biggest fear in the world. Right, you don't

667
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: want to be out of loop here because you literally

668
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: are a clown. Got You're this wider clown, You're this

669
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: gossip clown. So you're like, I need to need to

670
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: know anything usually is basically all gossip. It's like, oh,

671
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: she cheated on him and fucked this other guy in

672
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, seventeen twenty two in town Square, but you

673
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: don't know. So you're like, well, if I don't know,

674
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: then right, the gossip isn't for anyone else. And I'm

675
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: gonna say, well, why can't I see the violinist? And

676
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: you know it would be very My therapist say something

677
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: like and what would be so devastating if you didn't know. Um,

678
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the politics of Nazi affiliation

679
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: because this was obviously huge in the European American cultural

680
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: world post War UM and sort of like all of

681
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 1: and it sort of starts to bleed into McCarthyism. And

682
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: then there was the whole This While Act where they

683
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: were like preventing certain people from entering the country if

684
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: they had ex affiliation, if their relatives had been affiliated

685
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: with a government that had ended up being you know,

686
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: I'm almost surprised whatnot being wasn't blacklisted by McCarthy, right, No,

687
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: I know it's interesting, but also because he had been

688
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 1: but he had already you know, been there, I feel

689
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: like it started to take a little bit later. I

690
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: was just feel like he was more like random screenwriters. Yeah,

691
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: and like not him just like being fabulous, and it

692
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: was they were like less caring about opera, um, but

693
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: like yeah, like there's a probably okay, Miss flag said's

694
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: husband had worked for and with the Nazis and after

695
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: the conquest of Norway should returned home to get a

696
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: side like so less random woman's husband had like worked

697
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: with the Nazis in Norway, but throughout that time she

698
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: not sung in public. It seemed to be peculiar that

699
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: an artist like Earn a Burger, who had sung all

700
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: through the war for the pleasure of the Nazi big

701
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: wigs in Berlin, could be acceptable at the Metropolitan while

702
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 1: Miss Flogstad had to be banned. And you're like, yes, peculiar, indeed, yeah,

703
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: absolutely peculiar that Miss Flagstad like couldn't come. And there

704
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: is I feel like he does have all these things

705
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: right of just being sort of like kind of were

706
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: they Nazi? Not sure? Well, they had an amazing voice.

707
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: Moving on, There's there's a part way refers to somebody

708
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: as being a medio conductor, a mediocre conductor in an

709
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: at standing Nazi and someone's like, I would prefer the reverse,

710
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: as I mean, I'm very like separate the art from

711
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: the artist, and I do you know I think that, like,

712
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: especially in that post time, you have these you know,

713
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: everyone was all over the place during the war and like,

714
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: but but you know, at the same time and as

715
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: we know you your German. Excuse me, my relatives came

716
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: to this country long before. They didn't go to Argentina.

717
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: Argentina in nineteen forty five thank you very much. Just

718
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: wondering because I've never there was my grandfather there was

719
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: some horse. You do know how to tangle very well.

720
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: I have no idea when my grandmother's excels at sango.

721
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: One point of him saying, which I was actually surprised by,

722
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: because I think he would be so like, um, support

723
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: the star, but he's anti diva and he's anti solo.

724
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: Curtain calls like someone the star coming out and everyone

725
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: clapping more and then the rest of the cast having

726
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: to listen to everyone clap more for them and them

727
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: come out and like clap less. Yeah, I mean that's

728
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: much more democratic, right, which it is. But I was like,

729
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: isn't there you know for people people love a hierarchy. Yeah,

730
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I want to clap for you want

731
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: to clap for the soloist. You know what I thought

732
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: was a genius bit of psycho manipulation was when when

733
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: Maria Callis did get fired and then there was that

734
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: woman who had to take her place and whatever that

735
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 1: is study the understudy, and he hired someone to come

736
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: into the theater and yell bravocalis like to the audience

737
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: right before she came on stage in a way that

738
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: would engender sympathy with the audience because they would know

739
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: that this guy was like being Primeria, and then they

740
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: would feel bad for her and the fact that she

741
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: had to take over it and he was like the

742
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: American propensity for the underdog would cause them to then

743
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: be more supportive of her on stage, and of course

744
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: it worked. This is why he's the most genius general

745
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: manager there has been. That is so American audience to

746
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: be like, oh, we're going to root for her, We're

747
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: gonna root for her after this, after this like callous buffoo,

748
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: And of course people loved knowing the callous was like

749
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: such a defun. Oh yeah, of course. I do also

750
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: love how he calls out all of them, all the

751
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: singers who would always like claim to be sick, and

752
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: they would be like being I think it's a little

753
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: less that they were moon chousins and more that they

754
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: were just like actually trying to not perform and be

755
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: so like there are other artists for whom one demands

756
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: a doctor's certificate whenever they call up to make excuses,

757
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: usually a hopeless demand, because it is no trouble at

758
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: all for a singer to procure from a doctor a

759
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: letter reading mister and MISSISSOISO is under my care. But

760
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: the act of demanding the letter is satisfying, and sometimes

761
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: they implied distrust jolts a singer into re examining his

762
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: own condition and discovering that he can sing after all.

763
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 1: Rudolph being is also being so Friday Night Lights like

764
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: coach in that way where I feel like, would like

765
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: hire someone in the stands to do what he did.

766
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: But he also was so like, I'm not taking excuses.

767
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: He is this football coach. And maybe he's a little

768
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: more Monica from Cheer who's like so hard but like

769
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: believes in you. No, he's not like I don't see

770
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: him as a monica. You don't think he's a monica.

771
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: But everyone's so afraid. And I mean when he was

772
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: writing those long letters, that one fact guy who was

773
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: being like, and I'm writing to this because I do

774
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: have so much respect for you, and I hope you

775
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: know that I'm taking this to him because you're a

776
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: younger singer and I you're not quite in the right path,

777
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: but you will be on the right path soon enough.

778
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: He's a little tough love. Yeah, okay, he is tough love.

779
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 1: I just he's not like as in like I don't

780
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: see him as like weirdly like I don't think he

781
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: gets as close. Yeah, and he's not as like emotional

782
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: where he's like seeing himself and the people. Yes, like

783
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: he's been like this is my team. I feel like

784
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: he's like, well, I'm a retired gentleman manager down there. Yeah.

785
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: And he you know, he sees the talent as muscle,

786
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, like he sees them as just like these

787
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: are good singers and some of them could be great summers,

788
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: and you know, hopefully we'll try to make them be better.

789
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: But he's not like he's like I saw he was like, oh,

790
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: he reminded me of me when I was a kid.

791
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: Where it's like Monica I think is getting like two involved.

792
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: She definitely she sees herself as a mother in this way.

793
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: So before we go to segments, did you read how

794
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: he passed his last years of his life. No, he

795
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: doesn't mention that in his book that he wrote, doesn't

796
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: talk about how he died. Right, So I did a

797
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: little extra research. Nina passed away in nineteen eighty three,

798
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: and then he became involved with he got Alzheimer's and

799
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: then he became involved with a woman who was forty

800
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: five years old who would a mental illness and she

801
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: basically kidnapped him and they went on a tour of Anguilla, London, Paris, Bahamas.

802
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: My dreams that she was a founder of Roles Roye.

803
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: She was obsessed with the pope, like she was completely insane,

804
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: and they were found living in a homeless shelter in

805
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: London in nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, and then finally I guess,

806
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: like his old co workers they like got control and

807
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: like annulled this marriage and like so she just caught

808
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: him at him and he had fully at Alheimer's, didn't

809
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: know where he was, and she was like, I'm spending

810
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: his money and they were like going to Anguilla. They

811
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: didn't have kids, so who's going to leave his money

812
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: too anyway, right, I think it was And it wasn't

813
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: even that insane. It was a He had nine hundred

814
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand, and then by the time they like

815
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 1: annulled their marriage, he had two hundred and fifty thousand.

816
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: And then he went to some like um home in Riverside,

817
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: New York and that's where he died. It's like sadder

818
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: to be at this home than it is to be

819
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: an anguilla with this woman. I'd rather like if I

820
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: got Alzheimer's, just fleece me till I'm gone, you know

821
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: what I mean. This week on the VIP Lounge, Stephen

822
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: tells me about seeing Julia Fox at a try hard bar,

823
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: and I tell him about an overrated muckaroon I had. Yeah,

824
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: we're up to the same old batch shit in here.

825
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: See a Friday uh this summer, Yeah, we're calling it.

826
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: It's the summer of the hot our Carney summer. I'm

827
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: sure we'll see that article in New York Magazine tomorrow

828
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: segments Darling, what does she eat? What does she wear?

829
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,439
Speaker 1: What does she eat? I mean, he actually doesn't even

830
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: mention food once in this right, and he clearly is sizest. Yes,

831
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: he does not like a fat woman, and he is thin.

832
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: So I think he likes his wine. And I do

833
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: think back then portions were smaller and he would just

834
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: have like a small bit of steak and yeah, and

835
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: I think he would probably wake up and he would

836
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: have like he's very Anna Wintour like that, like my

837
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: my lunch sake, my lunch is steak, and like this

838
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: sort of olive oil sauce and like no, m no

839
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: cheese tomatoes because there's a it was a craze misteak

840
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: and no to me. Yeah, I know, but don't you

841
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: also see him as just one hard boiled egg on

842
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: this little hard boiled egg like stand that he eats

843
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: like slowly in the morning. Yeah. I could say that

844
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: in kind of like a phantom threadway. But perhaps there's

845
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: like a little bit there's like another little bud. That's

846
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: what he is. He's so phantom threat. But then there's

847
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: like another little bowl of like rabbit and trails fruit

848
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: and then like lunch, I really doesn't really happen unless

849
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: he's going up to luncheon, like a luncheon way quite busy. Yeah,

850
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: but he also is I think he referred to getting

851
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: the office quite late one day, so maybe he actually

852
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: is being more Spanish about it and just not having

853
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: breakfast and like having German espresso and then being like

854
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 1: and then for lunch, because that's part where he says

855
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: I would go home for lunch, and he puts lunch

856
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: in quotes and I was like fuck, n I was like, yeah,

857
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: are you in Nina? Fucking He's been like, well, ding,

858
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: I'm not a hungry it's four pm. He probably is

859
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: fucking her lunch and me and like, and that's when

860
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: Nina and I make love because he was at the

861
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: theater all night. Yeah, and that's also probably why he's

862
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: kind of things. He's probably not really having such a

863
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: dinner and aun, Yeah he is home with Nina out

864
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: to a dinner like on non feeder nights. Yeah, I

865
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: think he's having like one piece of steak at six pm.

866
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: And then also like throughout the show, maybe he like

867
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: nibbles on like one little nut. Yeah, after the show.

868
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: It has a very squirrel um what you were? I mean,

869
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: Darling just suits, he dresses. He has a tailor. He's

870
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: a tailor in London. He is a tailor in New York.

871
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: And he gets his shoeshine when he puts and he's

872
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: just like, well, of course I was going to Milan,

873
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: so I had to send for my clothes like three

874
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: weeks in advance. And I get there on the steamer

875
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: and they've pressed the shirts and of course they didn't

876
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: have one of the shirts that I had requested. And

877
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he's too also like insane smoking jacket.

878
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: I think it's like his classic just like black suit

879
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: because he does not like Rudolph Being's famous crava. No,

880
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: because he is a social democrat, as you know, and

881
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: so and he kind of like pooh poos the fact

882
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: that there is this whole like set of you know,

883
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: the extremely rich patrons of the Met, like on all

884
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: the men in their tails, like all the men and

885
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: they're in sane texedos who like just congregate in the

886
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: like men's club area and like don't actually donate that

887
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: much to the Met and like they are kind of

888
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: like more of a drag on the institution than they

889
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: are contributors. He's being pretty just classic black Yeah. I

890
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: think he has just like his regular talks that he

891
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,839
Speaker 1: like wears it open in the night. But like he's

892
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: not right so tales he's anti clowns, yeah, and like

893
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: too rich, Yeah, tales who are there not because they

894
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: love the opera, but just because maybe that's what you

895
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: did then exactly. And then how does he live? I

896
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: mean I think that they're so they live in Essex House,

897
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: that like building that's still there today, um, which is

898
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: it's to mentown of big sign on the top of

899
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: the roof says Essex House. Maybe you've seen it, didn't

900
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: They like shoot gossip Girl here. Yeah, it's it's used

901
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: quite often. And at the very end he goes on,

902
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: he's like, well, of course, you know we couldn't leave

903
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: because I was used to the chambermaids at Essex. How Um,

904
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: though I've remained a British subject, unaffectively proud of having

905
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: been knighted, I expect to stay in New York after

906
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: twenty three years. The Essex House is home and we

907
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: could not hope to adjust the new chambermaids elsewhere. He

908
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: is just like, is kind of being Chuck Bass and

909
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: is just like I'm living in a hotel. Yeah, there's

910
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: quite a lot of fabric and yeah, I was thinking

911
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: heavy velvet fabrics everywhere, brocades, lush couches that are like

912
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: very thick, but not like comfortable really like, I don't

913
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: never see him really like lounging. I think he's like

914
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: one pillow, goes to bed, like he's not like putting

915
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: his feet up really yeah, um, well you don't think

916
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 1: he's reading a book with his feet up on a

917
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: Sunday once a week, puts his feet up on a

918
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: stool though, you know, he's not heavy lounging. I think

919
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: they have a lovely tufted ottoman, and I think that

920
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: he is in like a gorgeous couch and feet are

921
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: on the attoman. Babe, let him have it. Let him

922
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: have a stuffed automan. Yes, you think he's been such

923
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: a purit him with his little wooden stool. Oh, I

924
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: guess I met feet on couch. Okay, if we're really

925
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: gonna get into it. No, I think they have like

926
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: a lovely little like like a maid's desk that they uses. Yes,

927
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: And then he has his deep chair, and then of

928
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: course the ping pong table. And I don't think the

929
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: ping pong table made into New York. I think that

930
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: was an Essex But and then I could see him

931
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: really having I'm seeing him in also like his country

932
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: home in this way where he's like in in the

933
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: casual maybe like white short sleeve button down that's ninety

934
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: five degrees and he's playing this wild ping pong game

935
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: with Nina, and he's having like a John Collins, like

936
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a Tom Collins. Um what both

937
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: mint bathing suit was when he was in Anguilla when

938
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: he had like alzheimers. I'm like, so Highways City, even

939
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: though it was nineteen eighty four. It was like such

940
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: an nineteen thirty swimming costume. And he's wearing a swim cap,

941
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: right swim cap, and he's like, I love the water.

942
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: I give this book. I mean, it's so fabulous. I

943
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: wish it was a little less lest I know, you

944
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: should get more into it. There's not a ton of

945
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: like personal stuff because when I think Peggy was like

946
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: one of my favorite books we've read, and she she

947
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: is so vulnerable and is talking about sax and death,

948
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: love life and family and also the war, you know,

949
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: whereas he is really just mostly it's like personnel decisions

950
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: that were made at various theaters. He's being so sassy

951
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: about it. I love for bitchiness. I love like the

952
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 1: implication that Tristan and eis Old is a horrible opera.

953
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: But like and like that he does, I mean the

954
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: most he he does. But I feel like he uses

955
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: this book also to pad the Maria, to get his

956
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: side of the story about Maria callis. Yeah. So I'm

957
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: giving this a three point five because it's so fab

958
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: and it's iconic and like has there been as Sassio,

959
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: general manager of the opera, Darling, I don't think there has.

960
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: If he has, he wasn't public about. I mean, he

961
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: put it all out there, and I know he has

962
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: another book, so maybe he gets more personal than that.

963
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: But I also feel like that's more just list of names. Yeah. No,

964
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: I'm also inclined to give this book three point five

965
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: regional operas in Greater Germany three point five Virginia thrown out,

966
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: Virginia Hamms out of Virginia Hams. Who are you in

967
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: the book, Darling? Yeah, not to probably, Okay, I think

968
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 1: you are. You know, I think you have a little

969
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: bing in you for sure, but you're not one hundred percent.

970
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: You know. I see him as you know, he's a

971
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: little fastidious. I mean, you know what I kind of

972
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: like a bout him is that he's actually he's not

973
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: so seeking the limelight and he like gets the headlines,

974
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: but he's really trying to like deal with all these

975
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: other personalities. And you know, I feel like I'm but

976
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: he is very opinionated in the way you are, but

977
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: you are more seeking the limelight. Um. I think I

978
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: see myself, you know, probably as um one of I mean,

979
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: I think we know one of the clowns who showed

980
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: up opening night I got, I got the messenger sent me.

981
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: I think that we're I think we're both opening night clowns.

982
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: And we're like, oh my god, did you just get

983
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: messengered the invite? Yes, and we're getting gussied up and

984
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: we get on the BMT line and take it and yeah,

985
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: we have martinis and yeah. We're like, I can't believe

986
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: we're an opening night Like, we're like, wait, what's the opera? Well, listen,

987
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: you know, club kids, this is this is my advice

988
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: to you. You don't have to read this book. But

989
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: what I do want you to do, at some point

990
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: in the next week or two, take yourself out to

991
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: a performance. I don't care if it's the classical music.

992
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's opera, un Broadway player, rock

993
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: and roll show. Go out and see someone performed. We

994
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: are living in a city of culture. And then I

995
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: want you to ask who's the stage manager. Then I

996
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: want you to ask who is the general manager? And

997
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: then I want you to ask who's the assistant stage manager?

998
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,240
Speaker 1: And I want to do a little bit of research

999
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: and be your own opening clown, but and throw in

1000
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: some opera. Maybe after you listen this episode and if

1001
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,279
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1002
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:29,840
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1003
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