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Speaker 1: Up next The Truth with Lisa Both part of the

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Speaker 1: game which the White House recently admitted that the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration is identifying quote unquote problematic posts for Facebook to

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Speaker 1: censor because they contain misinformation that doesn't make you concerned,

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Speaker 1: then you're not paying attention. This is The Truth with

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Speaker 1: Lisa Booth. Yeah, welcome back to the Truth with Lisa Booth.

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Speaker 1: I'm Lisa Booth, and I've got a great show for

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Speaker 1: you guys this week because my guest is Senator Ron

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Speaker 1: Senate and as a result, one of the left favorite targets. Today,

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Speaker 1: I asked Senator Johnson about COVID vaccines, big tech censorship

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Speaker 1: And with that, I want to welcome Senator Ron Johnson

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Speaker 1: on The Truth with Lisa Booth. Well, I appreciate that

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm just telling the truth. I have to admit

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Speaker 1: I it does amaze me that anybody would consider me

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Speaker 1: this world. I'm I'm a citizen legislator, you know, raised

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Speaker 1: I'm not bombastic. I don't engage in personal attacks, but

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Speaker 1: interesting is, look, you're you're a very wealthy member of Congress. Congratulations,

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Speaker 1: You didn't need to run for Senate. But you did,

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Speaker 1: you know, why did you run for Senate in You've

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Speaker 1: It was just an unbelievable reaction. And of course, the

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Speaker 1: next day in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, and I think

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Speaker 1: about a dozen other Wisconsin newspapers, you know, above the

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Speaker 1: fold front page, my picture with the label fundamentally dangerous. Okay,

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Speaker 1: um and and really and and let me just concluded

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Speaker 1: on this one. The reason they want to be seen

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Speaker 1: and heard is they're not going to get effect or

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Speaker 1: treatment if the medical community isn't even willing to consider

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Speaker 1: that the root cause of their symptoms just might be

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Speaker 1: the vaccine. Right as well as they would like to

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Speaker 1: see other people not be harmed if you can determine

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Speaker 1: some prexisting conditions, you know, for example, and this is

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Speaker 1: where I got engaged in this debate is you know,

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Speaker 1: because I had COVID and I was asked by reporter

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Speaker 1: when we didn't have enough vaccine for everybody whether or

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Speaker 1: not I've been vaccinated, and said, no, I I had COVID.

444
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Speaker 1: I probably have as good, if not better, immunity than

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Speaker 1: anybody's gonna get vaccinated. And besides, we have enough vaccines,

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Speaker 1: so others get vaccinated. First. Of course I was immediately

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Speaker 1: labeled an anti vaxxer well, and of course all this

448
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: gets concerning when you know, we have this massive push

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Speaker 1: for people to get vaccinated, Biden saying they're going to

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Speaker 1: go door to door. You look at countries like France,

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Speaker 1: They're now mandating vaccines to go out to eat at restaurants,

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Speaker 1: in movie theaters. So this all becomes concerning when it

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Speaker 1: starts to become mandatory, when there's any element of risk involved,

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Speaker 1: Americans should be able to have a full understanding of

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Speaker 1: full assessment of what risks. And then also, not every

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Speaker 1: individual in the country is at risk either. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're not elderly, if you don't have comorbidities, you're

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Speaker 1: not particularly at risk statistically, particularly teenagers and youngers. So

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Speaker 1: it starts to become sort of concerning and obscene for this,

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Speaker 1: there would be this increased pressure for these individuals who

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Speaker 1: don't have a high risk profile of COVID to then

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Speaker 1: be mandated to get any sort of vaccine. Listen, I'm

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Speaker 1: pro vaccine. I've gotten every flu shot, sens to swine flue,

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Speaker 1: I'm up todating all my other vaccines um, and I'm

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Speaker 1: a big support of operational warp speed. And I'm glad

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Speaker 1: that you know, dollars have been a mystery in the

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Speaker 1: vast majority without instant Okay, but it creeps me out

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Speaker 1: that the government is just you're wanting to push a

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Speaker 1: vaccine in everybody's arm, even those people that don't need it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one thing we know about COVID is it

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Speaker 1: is not uniformly dangerous. It's dangerous if you're elderly, it's

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Speaker 1: dangerous if you have certain co morbidities. But if you're

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Speaker 1: extremely young, if you're a very young child, it's been

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Speaker 1: pretty well established that you ought to be more concerned

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Speaker 1: about the flu than you are about COVID. So it

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Speaker 1: is just creeping me out. I'll tell you when when

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden made his first address the nation, and he

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Speaker 1: just he looked in the camera and he just, you know,

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Speaker 1: so fervently trust Dr Fauci, you trust the federal government. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: uncle Joe, I'm not signing up for that program. I

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Speaker 1: don't trust him. Um So, No, it's it's creeping. It's

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Speaker 1: creeping me out because it's it's not rash. You know,

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Speaker 1: this pushed to mass mass vaccinate everybody, even those that

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Speaker 1: have had COVID, or even those that really have very

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Speaker 1: little risk of any kind of serious impact from if

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Speaker 1: they get COVID. It just doesn't make sense, particularly with

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Speaker 1: a vaccine that is not fully approved. It's under immerse

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Speaker 1: use observation. And Alsie also have to understand. I'm that

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Speaker 1: I am the champion right to try. I'm the guy

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Speaker 1: that said that the empty is too slow in too

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Speaker 1: many cases that it ought to be an individual's right.

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Speaker 1: Once you have a drug that's already been approved, it

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Speaker 1: has gone through the safety phase, but it doesn't hasn't

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Speaker 1: made gone from through phase to or phase three, yet

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Speaker 1: that still should be the patient's right to try that

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Speaker 1: and not have government you now you can't even try it.

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Speaker 1: Now we just flip that on his head and I

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Speaker 1: we're saying we've got a vaccine that's only gone through

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Speaker 1: phase one. But we're gonna make sure that everybody gets

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Speaker 1: in their arm and and we're gonna encourage employers to

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Speaker 1: mandated in colleges to mandate it. Throw a crossing the

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Speaker 1: winds in case somebody gets injured. Don't worry about the

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Speaker 1: lawsuits that we're gonna necessarily support the trial lawyers from

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Speaker 1: filing against you. This is insane what is happening right now.

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Speaker 1: And when things don't make sense to me, I started

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Speaker 1: asking a lot of questions, but I get attacked for

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Speaker 1: being inquisitive. We're We're not supposed to ask questions anymore.

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Speaker 1: We're just supposed to listen to Faucci. Trust big government,

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Speaker 1: trust big media. Don't get a second opinion. There's only

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Speaker 1: one opinion accounts, and is that of the federal government.

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Speaker 1: You've come to the right place, because that's the whole

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Speaker 1: point of my podcast is asking questions that people aren't

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Speaker 1: asking and trying to get to the bottom of some

514
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Speaker 1: of these critical issues. Do you think we will have

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Speaker 1: vaccine passports in the country? Do you think we're heading

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Speaker 1: in that direction? Or is that even plausible? Can the

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Speaker 1: government mandate that? It's very plausible I mean, I'm I

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Speaker 1: hate saying it's probably likely. Um, you know what you know, Mike,

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Speaker 1: Mike current short term goal is to just persuade the

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Speaker 1: FDA and the CDC not too short circuit approval process,

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Speaker 1: you know, the phase two, phase three, those called the

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Speaker 1: observational phases. You have to observe you know what what

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Speaker 1: what is it? What's happening with the drug once it's

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Speaker 1: been a ministry Okay, I mean, you have short term impacts,

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Speaker 1: but you also can have long term impacts. You can

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Speaker 1: substitute for time in the observational trials. If you want

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Speaker 1: to know what the long term impact is of a

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Speaker 1: Drugger vaccine, you need the time to study it. And

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Speaker 1: there's this big push now to get these vaccines approved,

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Speaker 1: you know, by the end of August or wherever. People

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Speaker 1: are saying, you know why, you've got an emergency use outhormization.

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Speaker 1: Anybody that wants a vaccine can get it, So why

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Speaker 1: this rush? I mean the only conclusion is they want

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Speaker 1: they want to make it easier, for example, for the

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Speaker 1: military to mandate it too to the finest among us.

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Speaker 1: They want to make it easier to to vaccinate children,

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Speaker 1: I mean little children. Then there's there's there's really no

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Speaker 1: benefit for them because there's really no risk of COVID

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Speaker 1: or you know, such an infantensible risk of COVID. But

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Speaker 1: but there is there is risk the vaccine, by the way,

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Speaker 1: but that's what I just got four pinocchios with Washington

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Speaker 1: Posts for saying that you know that there's risk to

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Speaker 1: the vaccine. There's risk to every vaccine. Well, give it

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Speaker 1: six months. That's typically the lag time when people start

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Speaker 1: wakening up and realizing the truth, so that it seems

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Speaker 1: to be the case. Whether it's the Russia collusion, you

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Speaker 1: give it a few months, truth comes out, Russia bounties

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Speaker 1: a few months comes out, COVID came from the lab,

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Speaker 1: a few months starts you know, so this this that

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Speaker 1: tends to happen. So I think a few months down

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Speaker 1: the road, people will start waking up and realizing that

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Speaker 1: they weren't told the full truth. Again, you know, my

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Speaker 1: parents vaccinate to make sense for them their higher risk,

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Speaker 1: but we're talking about not everyone has the same risk

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Speaker 1: profile and their fortunld be dated to get a vaccine

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Speaker 1: they don't need. Uh that again potentially could end up

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Speaker 1: in side effects. And then secondly it's not fully approved

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Speaker 1: or potentially rushed to improve. But I also want to

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Speaker 1: talk about January six or uh so the Capitol Police

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Speaker 1: and the dj have refused to release something like four

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Speaker 1: thousand hours of footage. There's a select group of lawmakers

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Speaker 1: that have access to the footage. You and your staff

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Speaker 1: have flagged some interesting parts of the footage happening around

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Speaker 1: the two thirty three pm Eastern time mark at the

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Speaker 1: upper West terrorist doors. What did you guys flag and

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Speaker 1: why is that important? Well? I am highly concerned about

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Speaker 1: the unequal administration of justice. UM. We've also sent to

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Speaker 1: some of my colleges, and I sent a letter to

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Speaker 1: Merrick Garland, uh, just asking questions, how are you treating

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Speaker 1: people who breached the capital, that committed acts of violence

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Speaker 1: on January six versus you know the summer rioters, you

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Speaker 1: know where we had two billion dollars with property damage. Well,

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Speaker 1: in access to five riots, eight thousand protests, but five

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Speaker 1: hundred plus riots. Uh, I've seen the figures highest two

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Speaker 1: thousand law enforcement officers injured during those riots. A couple

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Speaker 1: of dozen people uh in some way shape form losing

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Speaker 1: their lives during those things. But we're supposed to forget

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Speaker 1: all that. So I'm highly concerned about the unequal administration justice.

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Speaker 1: So what I've asked my staff to do is go

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Speaker 1: review the videotape because I think it's importantly we have

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Speaker 1: a complete reconstruction of what happened outside and inside the capitol.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was the guy that entered J. Michael

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Speaker 1: Waller's very detailed I witness account of what he witnessed

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Speaker 1: out on the west side of the Capitol. And J.

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Speaker 1: Michael Waller is a professor of political uh not terrorism,

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Speaker 1: political whatever, but he's he's a very knowledgeable observer political

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Speaker 1: warfare um, and he's a very knowledgeab observer went to

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Speaker 1: j anywhere six just to observe and he wrote his

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Speaker 1: fourteen page account before he listened to any news account.

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Speaker 1: So it's just just a totally unvarnished it's just like,

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Speaker 1: this is what I saw. I entered in the record,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the chairwoman Culbture gets out, you know,

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Speaker 1: comes out of hearing and says, oh, here's Senator Johnson

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Speaker 1: entering conspiracy theories in our our hearing record. Right away. J.

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Speaker 1: Michael Rawler's account is standing the test of time. Here,

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Speaker 1: I pushed back, there weren't there were not thousands of

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Speaker 1: armed insurrectionists there weren't that. That's not what an armed

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Speaker 1: instruction would look like. Okay, So I wanted my my

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Speaker 1: staff to go take a look at that. And there's

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Speaker 1: no doubt about it. You know, I've seen the repugnant,

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Speaker 1: the repulsive acts of violence, the racial slurs. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I condemned it that day, I condemn it repeatedly. But

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Speaker 1: you know, there there are a bunch of people that

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Speaker 1: walked into that capital, no violence whatsoever. Um. Again, wasn't

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Speaker 1: smart for them to do that, but they did. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, my own state capital in Madison, it was

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Speaker 1: overrun by liberals. But that's okay. You can you can

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Speaker 1: go inside a state capital if you're a liberal and

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Speaker 1: you occupy it for days or weeks, and this is

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Speaker 1: not a problem. But boy, you don't come into the

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Speaker 1: America to the you know, America's people's house. Uh, or

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Speaker 1: you're a domestic terrorist. But anyway, so, uh, I don't

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Speaker 1: long answer to your question, but I have my staff

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Speaker 1: review this footage and they noticed in that that West

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Speaker 1: Terrace door that uh, somebody first tried to get out

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Speaker 1: that door and couldn't. It was locked. A couple minutes later, uh,

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Speaker 1: capitol police directed somebody to leave the capital through that door.

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Speaker 1: They opened up the door and more than three people

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Speaker 1: streamed in. Then no violence, no confrontation, just like the

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Speaker 1: door is open, come on in, which is a Again

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Speaker 1: that's a different aspect of the story, a different perspective.

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Speaker 1: It's it's part of the story that ought to be told.

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Speaker 1: So I have no idea what the legal jeopardy those

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Speaker 1: three hundred individuals were in. But but we've again we've

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Speaker 1: also seen just cell phone video of the insurrectionists. I'm

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying that with air quotes staying within

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Speaker 1: the rope lines in the rotunda. Again, that's that's now

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Speaker 1: what an armed insurrection would look like, as repugnant, as

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Speaker 1: repugnant as the violence was, particularly why I was called

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Speaker 1: the inauguration tunnel on the west side of the Capitol. Again,

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Speaker 1: I condemned that. But that's not the whole story. There's

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Speaker 1: actually a much bigger story of tens of thousands of

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Speaker 1: protesters that that were peaceful, that they're you know, of

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Speaker 1: the eight hundred plus people inside the capitol, some of

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Speaker 1: them just walked in, some of some of them behaved themselves,

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Speaker 1: some of them viewed it is, Hey, this is the

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Speaker 1: people's house. I've every right to be here, Okay. Um.

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Speaker 1: But then they were, as J. Michael described, there were

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Speaker 1: some determined groups that we're the adectators of the provocateurs. Uh.

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Speaker 1: But you know, here we are six months later, and

641
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Speaker 1: like nobody's talking, we don't have access to the people

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Speaker 1: that are in the jails. Um. You know they haven't

643
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Speaker 1: gone on on trial yet. The Summer protesters, they are

644
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Speaker 1: all let out on bail or let out without even bail. Boy,

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Speaker 1: if you participate in January six, you're sitting. You're sitting

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Speaker 1: in the d c J right now, twenty three hours

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Speaker 1: a day, and yourself. We've got Paul Hodgins who just

648
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Speaker 1: received an eight months sentence engaged in no violence. But

649
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Speaker 1: he was wearing a Trump T shirt and holiday Trump flag,

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Speaker 1: so apparently that was enough for them to sentence him

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Speaker 1: to eight months. Did you ever get a response from

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Speaker 1: Attorney General Eric Marck Garland when you and your colleagues

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Speaker 1: sent him a letter, no, no, and and uh, I

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Speaker 1: remember I Speed and Christopher Ray and was pretty well

655
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Speaker 1: stiff armed by him as well. So uh, certainly I

656
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Speaker 1: write those oversight letters hoping the agencies will respond, don't

657
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Speaker 1: hold my breath, but I hope to create some public

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Speaker 1: pressure so they at least respond to a certain extent

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Speaker 1: to the public, because I think the public has right

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Speaker 1: to know what's pulling off in our justice department, and

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Speaker 1: and do we even have something close to the equal

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Speaker 1: administration justice stab Look at Hunter Biden, you have satan, No,

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Speaker 1: we don't. What also seems I that you have Congress

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Speaker 1: under the guys of trying to get to the truth,

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Speaker 1: the left wanting to, you know, run a January six commission,

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Speaker 1: but there's no pressure on getting out those hours of footage.

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Speaker 1: You think if your intent was truly to get to

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the truth, wouldn't transparency be the best policy. Well, again,

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Speaker 1: you're assuming that leaders and Congress want to get the

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Speaker 1: truth out. One of the things I keep pointing out

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Speaker 1: the thousands of armed insurrections. The reason that is pushed

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Speaker 1: so hard, quite honestly, on both sides of the aisle

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Speaker 1: to a certain extent, is it works well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it works well for the news media who hate Trump supporters,

675
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Speaker 1: it works well for Democrats who hate Trump supporters, But

676
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Speaker 1: it also works well for congressional leadership. That we're responsible

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Speaker 1: for capital security. Um if if if literally the capital

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Speaker 1: is overrun by thousands of armed insurrections. I mean, no

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Speaker 1: security plan could have possibly contemplated that, and it could

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Speaker 1: have been in place to prevent the breach. You know,

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Speaker 1: J Michael Lawler and his expert testimony or his eyewitness account,

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Speaker 1: he said he strolled up the west side of capital,

683
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Speaker 1: there wasn't a police person visible. But one thing we

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Speaker 1: learned in Kenosha, where because of Trump's leadership, we snuffed

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Speaker 1: those riots out pretty fast once the governor finally agreed

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Speaker 1: to let Trump and other people helped them. Now, you

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Speaker 1: over you provide a lot of manpower to have dangerous

688
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Speaker 1: situation and it doesn't end up being so dangerous you

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Speaker 1: end up not having riot. So he didn't end up

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Speaker 1: not having a breach. So I can't I can't get

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Speaker 1: an answer to the question I've had. Were said, Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're there, are there like like pre planned

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Speaker 1: uh security postures, and you know, so for inauguration? Is

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Speaker 1: this kind of what we always do for you know,

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Speaker 1: a Supreme Court vote? I mean, is this what we

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Speaker 1: do for uh, you know, calling the electoral College votes?

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Speaker 1: Is this what we do you joint session. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, are there like a dozen different pre planned

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Speaker 1: security postures. They won't even ask me that question much.

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Speaker 1: Let's tell me what was planned, what kind of security

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Speaker 1: posture they are in? All I can say it was

702
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Speaker 1: completely inadequate based on the circumstances. Knowing that, knowing full

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Speaker 1: well they're gonna be tens of thousands of people protesting

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Speaker 1: and protesting outside the capital, you'd think we'd have had

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Speaker 1: better and more visible security, but we didn't. So I

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Speaker 1: do have to add the the line officers, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the people that that fought the battles. They did an

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Speaker 1: exemplary job of keeping members Congress safe uh and and responding.

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Speaker 1: They were failed by their leadership, by congressional leadership, by

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Speaker 1: not having a plan, not having adequate personnel there present

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Speaker 1: to prevent whatever should happen. That the capital never should

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Speaker 1: have been breached. Quick break more resentator Ron Johnson. Journalist

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Speaker 1: Glenn Greenwald recently tweeted that the reality is liberals wanted

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Speaker 1: domestic warrant terror. They want the CIA, N s A,

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Speaker 1: and FBI to reveal their political adversaries, arrest them, treat

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Speaker 1: them like terrorists. January six is the key to it.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree with that statement? And is that where

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Speaker 1: this is heading? You know? And I do, And I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you why. As as chairman Holman Security, for the

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Speaker 1: last couple of years, my my ranking member had been

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Speaker 1: had been Garry Peters. Now he's chairman the committee. We

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Speaker 1: would hold our annual threat hearings with Christopher Ray and

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Speaker 1: had the National Current Terrorism Center, Um, you know, we

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Speaker 1: would hold those hearings. And of course I'm concerned about cybersecurity,

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Speaker 1: and I'm concerned about E m P and g m

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Speaker 1: D and the unsecure boarder. I'm I'm concerned about the

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Speaker 1: things that really represent a threat to this country. And

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Speaker 1: Peters just want to talk about white supremacism, white supremacists.

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Speaker 1: I'm going again, I don't condone white supremacist you know,

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Speaker 1: I want them monitor. I want to make sure that

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Speaker 1: they don't great acts of violence just like Islama Islami's terrorists.

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Speaker 1: But what was this focus for like a couple of

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Speaker 1: years as my ranking member, is always about white supremacist

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Speaker 1: I just I never understood, you know. I signed a

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Speaker 1: couple of letters with them, you know, trying to get

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Speaker 1: you know, to what extent is the FBI track and

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm happy to, you know, keep an eye

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Speaker 1: on these guys, but I just don't think this is

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Speaker 1: the greatest threat to our democracy. One of the reasons,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I'm pretty ticked off about at the

741
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Speaker 1: breachers is they've just given the Democrats this ammunition. Okay,

742
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Speaker 1: so now it's blown up into the greatest threat faces nation,

743
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Speaker 1: which I still don't believe. By the way, Um, I

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Speaker 1: know there's a certain statistics statistics based on what they

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Speaker 1: consider mass murders. You know, more of those that are

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Speaker 1: committed by white supremacist than by Islamis Islamist terrorists, but

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Speaker 1: you're still talking, uh, a small number versus what you

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Speaker 1: see murders in the inner city with drug deals and

749
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Speaker 1: gangs and all that kind of stuff. So again, it's

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Speaker 1: just so so yes, I agree with Glenn Greenwald. There

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Speaker 1: is this push on the part of Democrats that's also

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Speaker 1: the narrative of thousands of arms insurrections. They want to

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Speaker 1: paint a broad brush the semi five million Americans that

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Speaker 1: voted for Donald Trump are somehow suspected domestic terrorists that

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Speaker 1: have given a chance, they also would engage in an

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Speaker 1: arms insurrection to overthrow the government when it's quite honestly,

757
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Speaker 1: the exact opposite is true. I mean, Trump supporters, conservatives,

758
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Speaker 1: tea pot folks. We love this country. We know it's

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Speaker 1: not perfect. We want to preserve it. We want to

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Speaker 1: save it. Okay, it's the left. They want to fundamentally

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Speaker 1: transform it. They're the ones who want to overthrow the

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Speaker 1: current order and replace it with some utopian vision of

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Speaker 1: a socialist system that will end in in sorrow trust me,

764
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Speaker 1: and totalitarianism and mass murder. That's what happens with socialist

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Speaker 1: totalitarian regimes. Well, and the capital. Please, so they're they're

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Speaker 1: not subject to FOIA requests. Um, they won't release the

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Speaker 1: name of the who've shot Ashley Babbitt. They also, along

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Speaker 1: with the d J, are not releasing you have tens

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Speaker 1: of thousands or four thousand hours of footage. Yet they're

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Speaker 1: expanding field offices to Florida and California. Is that necessary

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Speaker 1: and why are they doing that? No, they should not

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Speaker 1: do it. They ought to concentrate on the mission that

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Speaker 1: they failed at on January six, which is providing an

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Speaker 1: adequate security, having planned security postures prior to these events. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's no need whatsoever. Now they're saying, well, there's the

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Speaker 1: there's increased stress against members of Congress. Um, it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's a very unfortunate fact of life. When you serve here,

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Speaker 1: you get threats. Okay, but it should be the responsibility

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Speaker 1: of states to provide security for their elected representatives, not

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Speaker 1: some national or federal police force. You know, we have

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Speaker 1: enough federal police forces that are surveilling Americans. Uh, whether

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Speaker 1: it's the n s A, I mean, surveilling Tucker Carlson

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Speaker 1: or whatever happened to Cheryl Atkinson. I think we have

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Speaker 1: enough federal intrusion into our lives right now. I would

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Speaker 1: much rather leave security of members of Congress up to

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Speaker 1: the states to send them here to Washington, c to

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Speaker 1: represent them. And I talked to Tucker about that last

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Speaker 1: week in the podcast, and you're fascinating what they're doing

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Speaker 1: to him and also very terrifying as well. Do you

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Speaker 1: do you think is it Congress is supposed to rein

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Speaker 1: in the n s A. Is that something that needs

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Speaker 1: to happen when Republicans retain or retain power if they

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Speaker 1: gain back power. Yes, I mean this is where I'll say,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Mike Leaves and the Rand Falls were

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Speaker 1: right and I was wrong on the fives the court

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Speaker 1: when when we were renewing that, you know, we would

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Speaker 1: talk to fives judges and they'd always say, no, show

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Speaker 1: me an instance where we've uh undermined the constitution rights

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Speaker 1: of one American and you know, we couldn't show them anything.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we kind of felt these are solid patriots

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Speaker 1: and they're going to follow the law. And of course

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Speaker 1: we found out in the corrupt FBI investigation that they

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Speaker 1: didn't follow the law and that the you know, it's

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Speaker 1: certain levels of the Just Department, the FBI is thoroughly corrupt.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, they have to be reined in. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's any doubt about that. I want to get

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Speaker 1: to the Reconciliation before bill before um, you know, I

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Speaker 1: know you've got a busy day, but so what do

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Speaker 1: you think. You know, obviously they're allegedly trying to find

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Speaker 1: some bipartisan deal, which is obviously completely bogus. They want

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Speaker 1: to use the Reconciliation Bill because it means they can

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Speaker 1: do what they want on a party line basis. What

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Speaker 1: do you think is going to end up in that

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Speaker 1: Reconciliation bill? It looks like potentially amnesty climate measures and

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Speaker 1: fossil fuel with which will be devastating to the economy.

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Speaker 1: Also potentially, you know, one of the largest tax increases

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Speaker 1: in history. What are you hearing that could be in it?

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Speaker 1: And what do you what do you think? What are

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Speaker 1: your expectations of it? Well, unless Chuck Schumer fires the

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Speaker 1: parliamentarian and puts in somebody that does exactly as bidding,

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Speaker 1: they will have a hard time, uh, passing through reconciliation

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Speaker 1: some of these policy things that really aren't related to

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Speaker 1: a budget reconciliation dealing with revenue and spending. But the

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Speaker 1: revenue and spending things will be problematic enough. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're going to increase people's taxes. They'll they'll they'll be

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Speaker 1: taxing exactly what we need more of, which is growth

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Speaker 1: and success, and so we'll get less of it. And

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Speaker 1: then I mean, they're gonna completely out of control spending,

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Speaker 1: and they'll do it in a way that is gonna

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Speaker 1: dramatically under account for how much spending their really passing. So,

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Speaker 1: my guests, what they'll do is they'll start creating all

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Speaker 1: kinds of new entitlements. Now they won't call them entitlements.

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Speaker 1: They will sunset them after two or three years, so

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Speaker 1: that it gets a very gets a much smaller score

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Speaker 1: than entitlement that's going to continue on infinitum um, so

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Speaker 1: that that would be the game they're they're gonna play.

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Speaker 1: I think they did that to a certain stand the

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Speaker 1: Cooper relief package. So that's what Democrats do. They will

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Speaker 1: lay in uh programs that again, receiving government benefits is

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Speaker 1: always popular and everybody loves getting free money, and so

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Speaker 1: it's almost impossible to repeal one. Something like that has

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Speaker 1: been set up so that would be my guest. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I have no idea. I led an effort that we

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Speaker 1: did a press release last Thursday. I think we had

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Speaker 1: a nine eleven Republican senators joined myself from Rick Scott

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Speaker 1: had led the effort kind of pushing back on the

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Speaker 1: bipars and Infrastructure bill. You know, now that we know

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Speaker 1: that the Democrats are absolutely dedicated to a reconciliation package

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Speaker 1: about three point five trillion dollars, you know, our point,

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Speaker 1: my point has always been to the set that you

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Speaker 1: pull infrastructure out that three point five trillion, they'll still

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Speaker 1: pass something a three point five trillion, They'll just backfill

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Speaker 1: it with the entitlement programs with more welfare programs, you know,

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Speaker 1: more more dependency on government. So I don't know why

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Speaker 1: any Republican would support that. Uh, we're all for infrastructure,

856
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Speaker 1: but there's a really easy way of having a fiscally

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Speaker 1: sound approach to spending money infrastructure, and that would be

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Speaker 1: to repurpose the seven billion dollars of the partisan one

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Speaker 1: nine trillion dollar cover relief package that doesn't even get

860
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Speaker 1: spent until obviously not COVID relief. That money I would

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Speaker 1: just be resended for that purpose and repurposed for true infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: It would be about seven billion dollars out would be

863
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Speaker 1: more than enough that that should be the republic Conference position.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you how frustrated I am that it's

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Speaker 1: not what are you seeing at the border? We've got

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Speaker 1: I think there was something like a hundred eighty eight thousand,

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Speaker 1: eight hud illegal immigrants stopped in June. We're seeing crossings,

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Speaker 1: a one year high increase from last year. What do

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Speaker 1: your what do you see and what are your concerns

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Speaker 1: with all that? Well, Lease, it's it's what we don't

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Speaker 1: see that is most concerning. So we see the numbers,

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Speaker 1: they apparently because because we don't have video to go

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Speaker 1: along with it, not much of it other than you

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Speaker 1: know what, eighteen of us we went down there and

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Speaker 1: we took pictures of the down of cility. But if

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Speaker 1: you don't have a video only, you don't have a

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Speaker 1: crisis here in America. So the Biden administration has gotten

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Speaker 1: very efficient at processing and dispersing and keeping the press

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Speaker 1: at bay. Of course the presses particularly uh inquisitive either.

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Speaker 1: But what you're not seeing is the depredations of the

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Speaker 1: human that the human traffickers are imposing on the migrants.

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00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: You know, the rapes, the involuntary servitude, the beatings, the kidnappings,

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00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: uh and calling for more ransom. So it's so it's

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Speaker 1: not just the human traffickers get the you know, six

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Speaker 1: to trafficking feed that they also if there's somebody with

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Speaker 1: any kind of means with people upt in Central America,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they'll kidnap them, they'll beat in the video,

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Speaker 1: take the beatings, and extract more ransom, extortion pay out

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00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: of out of the relatives are still in Central America.

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Speaker 1: So we don't see that. We don't see the gotaways

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00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: that are that are unknown. We don't see all the

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00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: additional rugs flowing in this country. We don't. We don't

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00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 1: see the gang members. You know, I raised this issue

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00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: last week that when you hear uncompanied children, I mean,

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Speaker 1: don't we all think of will two and three year

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Speaker 1: olds of uncompanied children are fifteen or older and their mail.

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Speaker 1: So that's exactly who the drug traffickers use to traff

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Speaker 1: through their drugs. Because if a miner gets caught, they

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Speaker 1: don't get prosecuted. They don't they don't spend a hard

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Speaker 1: time in jail because they're they're miners. And so we

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00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: don't see that. You know, we don't see the women

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00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: who get put into the sex trade and they can't

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00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: escape it. We don't see that. And it's exactly what

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Speaker 1: Biden and Harris are are counting on the fact that

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Speaker 1: we won't we can't see it, the press won't report it,

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Speaker 1: and so the full standards crisis as bad as six

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Speaker 1: thousand people a day, that's what we're talking about, six

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Speaker 1: thousand people day being apprehended. And when they end Title

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Speaker 1: forty two, those all those six thousand people, virtually all

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Speaker 1: of them will be dispersed into all corners of America,

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00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: and the federal government won't tell the states. They won't

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00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: tell the cities, they'll just show up. And if you've

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Speaker 1: got un a company of children that are gang members again, gangs,

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Speaker 1: it's just all under the radar, right, But the murders

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00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: happening within our inner cities uh out of control. Do

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Speaker 1: you think there are enough Republicans to stand up against

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Speaker 1: any sort of embassy bill? That's that's kind of a

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Speaker 1: Hypothetical's hard to answer. You know, I'll tell you I'm

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Speaker 1: one person that I would like to take care of

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Speaker 1: the doctor children. It's not it's not your fault. When

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Speaker 1: you're two years old you get brought over by your

922
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: parents that that's to a certain extent, that's our fault.

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Speaker 1: That we've had open borders and we've we've enticed them

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00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: to come into this country. But you can't even begin

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00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: to dress that and tell you secure the border. And

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Speaker 1: that's what sort of pressing about what Biden did is

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Speaker 1: we were so close to taking the first step and

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Speaker 1: really trying to solve our immigration. The issue here is

929
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Speaker 1: you got to first cure the border. So we had

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00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: the flow of uncompied children family units pretty well stopped,

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00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: and we were in the final stages of building a

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00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: wall that would have been pretty darn effective, and Biden

933
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: blew that all up. So here we are back to

934
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: square zero. We have a completely out of control nothing

935
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 1: ever like this before in terms of an illegal flow.

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Speaker 1: It's out of control. And that's the first thing you

937
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: need to do if you want to address the doctor kids,

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Speaker 1: if you want to stand up a a a functioning

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Speaker 1: legal immigration system. We need legal immigrants, we just do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we need an increased labor force, which we

941
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: don't have. It's gonna be a real hamper to our

942
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: economic growth, the fact that we don't have enough labor

943
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Speaker 1: in this country. To see, I got to disagree with

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Speaker 1: you on data because you know, as you just said,

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00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: we have teenagers coming over age fifteen and older and

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00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: then and how do you identify it the age someone

947
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Speaker 1: entered into the country. I'm not saying there aren't problems,

948
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not an easy thing. We just do it, Okay,

949
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: It's a very difficult, complex situation. Okay, but you know

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00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: you also have to recognize the fact that you've got

951
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: and no, no, you know, the the M. I. T.

952
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: Yale study set is somewhere between I think they said

953
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: between sixteen and thirty million or twenty million people in

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00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: this country, so they pegged it about twenty two, which

955
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: is at least double what you always hear at a rand.

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00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 1: We have a huge problem of people uh here without

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00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: documentation in this country uh illegally that I would suggest

958
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: needs to be addressed. But again, you can't address it

959
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: until you actually fix the assyling laws so they can't

960
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: be exploited and we actually have a secure border and

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00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: we are so far from that right now. Um, it's

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a shame. Yes see. I just

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00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: don't think I think any Annessey leads to increase problems

964
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: that we've continued to see. So I'm against it all personally.

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Speaker 1: But one last question before we go, and I shade

966
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Speaker 1: all the time you've sent with me today. Will the

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00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: filipbuster lasts until the mid terms? That totally depends on Kierson,

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Speaker 1: Cinneama and Joe Mansion. Um, I pray for their health

969
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 1: and their integrity to honor the promise they've made that

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00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 1: they're going to honor the filibuster there. I can't remember

971
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Speaker 1: the exact number, some thirty five Democrats senators that joined

972
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Speaker 1: Susan Collins while we were in control guarantee, you know,

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00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 1: pledging not to blow up the filibuster. Uh you see

974
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Speaker 1: see that when they signed the name, the paper is

975
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: really not worth anything. Um So Yeah, Personally, Kierson Cinnama

976
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Speaker 1: and Joe Manson are the two most powerful centers right now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why they'd want to give that up,

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00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: but they're gonna come under tremendous pressure. So um, I

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Speaker 1: hope So, I mean if we if we lose the filibuster,

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Speaker 1: it's really awful. Senator. I appreciate you joining the show,

981
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Speaker 1: and I commend you for your fight for the truth.

982
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: I know sometimes it's lonely going it alone when so

983
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: many engaging group thinks. So I admire your truth telling

984
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Speaker 1: and your fight. So thank you for that, and thank

985
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Speaker 1: you so much for making so much time for me.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you joined the Truth with Lisa Booth.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the aptunity every day. Yeah what did they

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Speaker 1: acceptor Ron Johnson again for a fascinating interview and more

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Speaker 1: importantly for being a truth teller. And I want to

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Speaker 1: thank you guys at home so much for listening. If

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