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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Monday, December fifteenth. Guilty guilty as charged.

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Speaker 1: The verdict is in and Brian Walsh has been found

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Speaker 1: guilty of murdering his wife. With that, welcome to this

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Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. Let me get your

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Speaker 1: reaction first. It's not what we predicted, but the jury

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Speaker 1: did have two options, first degree and second degree. They

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Speaker 1: came back this quickly, and they came back with a

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Speaker 1: harder charge.

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Speaker 2: First degree murder murder in the first degree, which is premeditation,

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Speaker 2: which carries a life without parole sentence for Brian Walsh.

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Speaker 2: So he will be going to prison for the rest

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Speaker 2: of his life. Obviously, he will have a chance to

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Speaker 2: appeal and the judge still has to technically sentence him.

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Speaker 2: But that is what that charge, what that conviction carries

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Speaker 2: in the state of Massachusetts.

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Speaker 3: And yes, I'm.

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Speaker 2: I'm not totally surprised, but I'm a little surprised. I

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Speaker 2: really did think it would take them longer even maybe

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Speaker 2: charged unanimously. The second degree, to me thought I thought

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Speaker 2: was absolutely a slam dunk. But first degree, I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: a little surprised that came back. I guess it would

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Speaker 2: have been about six hours they deliberated in total, and it.

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Speaker 1: Didn't seem like at least based on the verdict that

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Speaker 1: we've not seen, that there was a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: disagreement in the room and it was six hours. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was ended up being less than that. But

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Speaker 1: you say total ended up being six correct.

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Speaker 2: I think it was around four hours on Friday that

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Speaker 2: they deliberated, and then about two hours today, so I

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Speaker 2: mean under six hours, under six hours.

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Speaker 1: This trial wrapped up pretty quickly, folks. We have been

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Speaker 1: watching this, of course, the past two weeks. Here we

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Speaker 1: are in December fifteenth, right, the first day of testimony

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Speaker 1: was December first, so two mondays ago. When the judge

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Speaker 1: was telling folks we might need to get ready for

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Speaker 1: a three to four plus week trial, even some concern

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Speaker 1: it might bump up into Christmas a little bit. They

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Speaker 1: flew through the prosecution at least case the defense put

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Speaker 1: up no witnesses at all, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: here we are we get to a short trial in

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Speaker 1: short deliberations. I am I. We gave our predictions, if

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Speaker 1: you will, for what we thought the jury was gonna do. This,

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Speaker 1: This surprised me a little. Yes, how much did it

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Speaker 1: surprise you? This surprised me, but a bit. I think

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Speaker 1: when you add the time to you. Look, we've watched plenty,

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Speaker 1: but lawyers, folks who do this for a living, tell

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Speaker 1: you we have no idea what a jury's gonna do.

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Speaker 1: You try to predict the best you can and try

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Speaker 1: to go by history. You just you just don't. You

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Speaker 1: just don't know. I don't know. I thought there was

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Speaker 1: enough doubt, enough head scratching questions raised by the defense

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Speaker 1: that it would at least give them some pause.

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Speaker 2: Yes, premeditation was I was. I was on the fence

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Speaker 2: with that, But who knows. There could have been a

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Speaker 2: very persuasive person in that jury room that convinced everyone,

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Speaker 2: or everyone could have actually walked in there with a

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Speaker 2: very similar like minded approach to what they thought his

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Speaker 3: But that's they go through.

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Speaker 2: We just watched the judge go and ask every single

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Speaker 2: juror sits there and says, yes, that is my decision

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Speaker 2: that has to happen for their conviction to stand, and

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Speaker 2: it was a unanimous one. I was taken a little

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Speaker 2: bit by Brian Walsh's reaction or I should say lack thereof.

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Speaker 3: He walked back in.

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Speaker 2: We were all a little shocked around eleven thirty this

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Speaker 2: morning when we were told Eastern time that the jury,

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Speaker 2: or at least we believe the jury, had reached a verdict.

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Speaker 2: His mother, Diana, was there at the trial. He acknowledged her.

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Speaker 2: But when the verdict was read out, well, actually right beforehand,

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Speaker 3: Did you see him The.

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Speaker 2: Only slight body language of stress. He cracked his neck

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Speaker 3: It's a little stiff.

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Speaker 2: And he opened his jaw like he was cracking his jaw.

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Speaker 2: That was the only slight body movement I saw where

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine I was tense waiting for the jury's verdict.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was just I mean, I can't imagine

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Speaker 2: It was like he was just told he had one

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Speaker 2: hundred dollars parking ticket. He had no reaction. Yes, that's

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Speaker 2: amazing to me that you and look, I know you

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Speaker 2: still to have zero reaction. And we did not see

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Speaker 2: There was zero interaction between his legal team, not among

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Speaker 2: them Elves, not with Brian Walsh. It was absolute silence

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Speaker 3: Nothing. That was really shocking to me.

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Speaker 1: Don't know, I mean a lot of Look, we don't

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Speaker 1: obviously we don't know this guy at all, but we

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Speaker 1: I found pretty incredible of a human being. To see

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Speaker 1: we'd have been shocked. We're like, whoa, who was that guy?

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Speaker 3: I would have been like, there's a human being in there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, this is in line with what we have

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Speaker 2: You make a good point, it's on brand from everything

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Speaker 2: because one of the most chilling things I believe, well,

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Speaker 2: there were a couple really chilling things beyond just the

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Speaker 2: searches themselves, but to hear the audiotape of him talking

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Speaker 2: also we now know after now he's been convicted of

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Speaker 3: How just relaxed.

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Speaker 2: He didn't over explain, he didn't seem defensive, he didn't

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Speaker 2: He just didn't seem that upset or concerned or guilty

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Speaker 2: mother effort is I guess the best way to put it.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, will we ever see anything out of him.

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Speaker 1: But a reminder for folks who don't. I think everybody

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Speaker 1: at this point is kept up with his story. Rogues

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Speaker 1: He goes back up. She's dead. They say, sudden, sudden,

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Speaker 3: Died exactly, never got a body.

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Speaker 1: There is nobody, And this jury did not buy a

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Speaker 1: lot of the what ifs, and well it's possible, possible,

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Speaker 1: they didn't reach the reasonable doubt threshold. The defense and

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Speaker 1: all that stuff they came up with, which at times

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, the defense did the best job they possibly

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Speaker 2: with those types of internet searches, with the video evidence

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Speaker 2: they have of him throwing bags away in dumpsters. The

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Speaker 2: eats his DNA, Anna's DNA. I mean, all of that

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Speaker 2: was undeniable. His only chance was that no one could

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Speaker 2: sort of forensic evidence. They didn't even have circumstantial evidence

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Speaker 2: about how she died. No one could tell the jury

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Speaker 2: how Anna Walsh died. And yet he was still convicted

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Speaker 2: of first degree murder. That is pretty remarkable.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of you know what. The prosecution A big

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Speaker 1: part of their case was common sense, and it is

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Speaker 1: if you lay it out like that, like, come on,

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Speaker 1: what do you think happened? Yeah, maybe they didn't prove

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Speaker 1: some things, but they relied on common sense. And common

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Speaker 2: The way he acted, maybe not as much before, but

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Speaker 2: that connection. You said, I believe it happened, was closing

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Speaker 2: arguments were already on Friday, right, I'm losing track of time.

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Speaker 2: But when she was able to say, finally to the jury,

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Speaker 2: all of those searches you saw. Never once did you

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Speaker 2: see a search for unexplained sudden death. How could my

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Speaker 2: Like there were no searches that would justify or bolster

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Speaker 1: You know, And maybe that was the brilliance. And maybe

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Speaker 1: But that was it. If somebody panics because somebody's dead,

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Speaker 1: that was the most common sensical thing I heard, though,

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Speaker 2: Because you were you were team You were team Larry

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Speaker 2: Tipton the whole time, not that you were team Brian Walsh,

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Speaker 2: but you were just team Larry Tipton in terms of

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Speaker 2: how he handled the case, how he presented the defense.

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Speaker 3: To the jury. It was brilliant.

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Speaker 2: So you were you were like, I get this guy.

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Speaker 2: This guy is doing an incredible job. And the prosecution, frankly,

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Speaker 2: we were wanting more. We were expecting more, we were

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Speaker 2: wishing they would connect the dots more. But yes, at

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Speaker 2: the very end, you were like, that was the first

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Speaker 2: resonated and I can't unhear it. Panic Now, once you've

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Speaker 2: common sense.

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Speaker 1: The entire trial. And I want to give her credit

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Speaker 1: for that moment. And maybe that moment was important to

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Speaker 1: the jury. And again I wonder if she held on

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Speaker 1: to that until that moment. You cannot didn't give them

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's great, Well, folks, this now ropes. I have

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Speaker 1: a right carries. This is life without parole. But remember

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Speaker 1: he was also convicted or pled guilty to some other

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Speaker 1: charges before this case even started, So they still have

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Speaker 1: to wrap all of this up, and they're going to

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Speaker 1: wrap it up very soon. We'll explain by the judges

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Speaker 1: saying sentencing is happening almost immediately.

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Speaker 3: Stay here, Welcome back everyone.

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Speaker 2: We are continuing to discuss this breaking news that just happened.

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Speaker 2: The verdict is in in the Brian wah trial. The

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Speaker 2: jury took less than six hours to find Brian Walsh

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Speaker 2: guilty of murder in the first degree. Zero emotion from

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Speaker 2: Brian Walsh, zero interaction with his attorneys. It all happened

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Speaker 2: very quickly, and so will sentencing. According to the judge,

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Speaker 2: and even the defense asked for Wednesday for the Puerto

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Speaker 2: reconvene and for his sentencing to take place. They want

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Speaker 2: some The judge was very very clear to say, if

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Speaker 2: they have to postpone until Thursday or Friday, she will

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Speaker 2: figure it out because she really wants to hear the

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Speaker 2: victim impact statements in this case.

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Speaker 1: You know what, for this for her friends, for her

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Speaker 1: family members. I mean, we heard from and about a

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Speaker 1: lot of people during this thing, and they were it

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Speaker 1: seems like they were all close, like they had shared friends,

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Speaker 1: and I can't imagine the words they might have for

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Speaker 1: him on Wednesday. So I'm definitely curious to see where

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Speaker 1: are the boys now. Their sons are with.

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Speaker 2: The I don't know exactly where they are, but they're

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Speaker 2: little guys, and I can't imagine they would involve them

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Speaker 2: in a way in the court room, right, Oh, I can't.

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Speaker 3: I was just thinking about that. They would be too young.

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Speaker 2: You'd have to be probably eighteen or at least of

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Speaker 2: a certain age to want to be able to speak.

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Speaker 2: Because his youngest I mean his oldest I think, is

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Speaker 2: what eight or nine?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, death, that's what it was, right, eight.

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Speaker 2: Or six and eight, so probably eight. But I wonder

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Speaker 2: like it's just the trial up until now has been

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Speaker 2: about Brian Walsh, whether he was guilty or innocent, whether

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Speaker 2: he should be sent away for the rest of his

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Speaker 2: life or face some sort of punishment in between. But

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Speaker 2: now on Wednesday, it really does become about Anna Walsh

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Speaker 2: for a while, and I think that's so important for

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Speaker 2: the people who are grieving her still and will for

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Speaker 2: the rest of their lives to have that moment in court,

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Speaker 2: to be able to address her killer and say what

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Speaker 2: he took from them, and just from what we've seen,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he won't show any bit of emotion opportunity

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Speaker 2: right to speak. Don't think you can. And I just

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Speaker 2: you know, I wonder if we will hear from him.

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Speaker 2: I wonder.

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Speaker 1: I doubt it.

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Speaker 3: I doubt it too.

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Speaker 1: I doubt it. But we talk about this being in

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Speaker 1: this is a part of closure, but they have never

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Speaker 1: they'd have nowhere to go visit to late Flowers. They

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Speaker 1: don't know how she met her end. Actually, they don't

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Speaker 1: know what he did to her, and that's something he

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Speaker 1: could possibly go to his grave and we may never know.

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Speaker 1: So Wednesday there's going to be another big day in

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Speaker 1: court for this trial. We will keep a close close

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