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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in on doud Gali and you are listening

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Speaker 1: to all fall all basketball all the time. Although we

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Speaker 1: have a special guest today doesn't totally fit the staff.

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Speaker 1: Let's deal with a fascinating story. You're gonna like them

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Speaker 1: the flat. Let me just kind of give you some

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Speaker 1: quick thoughts on what we've seen so far, uh in

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Speaker 1: the Elite eight now leading to the Final four. And

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Speaker 1: the first thing is, you know, like, I don't hate

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Speaker 1: saying I told you so, but I told you so good? Zack?

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Speaker 1: Is that good? It just are? And what's impressive is, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, you take what Drew Timmy did and we're

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Speaker 1: recording this on a Wednesday, absolutely lead eight, which is

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Speaker 1: on a Tuesday. I mean that he's he's the kind

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Speaker 1: of kid like, let's not get a twisted yes because

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Speaker 1: they can shoot because they have so many implied threats

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Speaker 1: if you will, it's really hard to zone them because

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Speaker 1: you get spaced out. But that's really the way the

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Speaker 1: USC had played that done since they put it in. Um.

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Speaker 1: The difference is that Drew Timmy dominated Evan Moble and

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Speaker 1: he's the kind of kid who's like, oh really he's

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Speaker 1: not three pick I'm gonna kick his ass and that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what happened. Exactly what happened. So you have a

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Speaker 1: mix of age experience, two point guards, quality coaching, just

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Speaker 1: enough depth give guys breaks. But I actually like teams

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Speaker 1: that that have that kind of perfect depth right where

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Speaker 1: you're just getting a better rhythm when you're only playing

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Speaker 1: seven or eight you played ten, Like sometimes it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be hard to establish rhythm and and fail early in

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Speaker 1: the game. I would say, didn't fail early yesterday, but

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Speaker 1: you know Kisper didn't even make shots and they missed

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Speaker 1: I think thirteen or fourteen laps and they still molly

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Speaker 1: wapped USC Like that's how good they are. And they're

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Speaker 1: the perfect mix of age experience, you know, youthful, bigger

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Speaker 1: with with Jalen Sudds from quality coaching, you know, big

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Speaker 1: twelve people. To mean a Baylor is just as good.

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Speaker 1: They better defensively, and I think it's gonna be Baylor

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Speaker 1: and Glenzaga. But I think you know when I said

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Speaker 1: Golenzagar the field going back to November, I've been doing

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Speaker 1: it periodically throughout the year. There there's a reason they're

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Speaker 1: just they're better than everybody else. Um, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how you silly won that game. I really don't, And

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Speaker 1: I guess the easy easy way to say is like, hey,

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Speaker 1: mc cronin is a tough ass dude, and he got

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Speaker 1: all those kids to become tough, and like those are

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Speaker 1: mostly Southern California kids too, you know, tigers not, but

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Speaker 1: the rest of them are. And I think it's fascinating

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Speaker 1: to go. You know, the the narrative has always been,

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Speaker 1: you know, so cow kids are soft or whatever. They

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Speaker 1: look solve last night like that was a pierced six

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Speaker 1: brawl um for Michigan. You know that they they never

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Speaker 1: really had the type of obviously not having Livers hurts

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Speaker 1: them offensively, but I would say that they managed it

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Speaker 1: pretty well. I mean John's was was real. It was

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Speaker 1: outstanding in the tournament ever since Livers went down. But

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Speaker 1: they they did it without the type of wings that

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Speaker 1: they've had where you can caressed lavert um um, Tim Hardaway,

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Speaker 1: you know a guy who who can go get you

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Speaker 1: a bucket. I actually think that we'll look back and go,

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Speaker 1: you know, with two grad transfers. I mean, Juddy Brown

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Speaker 1: gives them points out the bench and Mike Smith was

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Speaker 1: just solid all year long, right, but with with two

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Speaker 1: just think for Michigan and they're just gonna have to

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Speaker 1: be careful now they're recruiting at a much higher level

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Speaker 1: than they did with John b Line. But will they

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Speaker 1: think the answer is yes, because I Juan Howard strikes

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Speaker 1: me as a no nonsense guy, seems to totally get

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Speaker 1: it right. And I mean you look at how limited

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Speaker 1: the minutes for for his own son. I mean there's

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Speaker 1: a guy who he understands how this thing all works.

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Speaker 1: I think Michigan give me a problem that leaked for

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Speaker 1: could you knitpick about a couple of things last night,

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Speaker 1: Like sure, of course you can't and they got beat

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Speaker 1: which they did, it's pretty fantastic. And lo like Michigan

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Speaker 1: of the first week in March, right, you lose in uh,

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Speaker 1: had the India. They've been there since that that mentally

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Speaker 1: then you know, as far as Houston's concerned, we've had

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Speaker 1: Kelvin on the pod you should downloading, go check it out.

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Speaker 1: Kelvin Sampson, the Albopie told the story. But those of

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Speaker 1: but also been chronicled, and they've been good now for

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Speaker 1: Houston just was apathetic. They didn't care. You know, they

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Speaker 1: I just don't think they can score with Baylor, and

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Speaker 1: the NBA Draft consistently, and um, you know the reason

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Speaker 1: that league hasn't gotten the best seeds. And look, Arizona

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Speaker 1: in the NDA Tournament, which they have no one to

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Speaker 1: blame them, and some quite frankly, has been um the

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Speaker 1: that's not gonna work long term, and it hasn't worked

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Speaker 1: long terms. Again so I think there's a there's a

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Speaker 1: reason just behind the pack twelve struggles. More so than

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Speaker 1: their tea deals weren't any good, the TV deals are

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Speaker 1: actually really really good considering how few people want to one.

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Speaker 1: take this one kind of side step for a reason

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Speaker 1: because I'm fascinated by Alex Honald, who's a He's a

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Speaker 1: rock climb Like, go climb a rock, right, your mom,

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Speaker 1: go playing the freeway, Go climb a rock. Well, he

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Speaker 1: is probably the best known climber in the country. He

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Speaker 1: when he was climbing El copy Ton, which is in

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Speaker 1: Yosemite l Cap Whatever, said, is that what the kids

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Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, it's amazing, I mean truly amazing,

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Speaker 1: It's I mean pretty intense to just look at I

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Speaker 1: mean all these you just even look at the photos

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Speaker 1: Plus I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but

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Speaker 1: um climbing is an Olympic sport. Now Olympic sport. So

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Speaker 1: without further ado, let's catch up with the foremost free

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Speaker 1: climber in the country, Alex Hum. Okay, so, first time

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Sacramona. Did like you start climbing

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Speaker 1: there's no chance that you you're disproportioned anyway, and you know,

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Speaker 1: But I think that I was sort of innately more

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Speaker 1: I think there's that innate draw. But but when I

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Speaker 1: when when people here that's going to be in the Olympics,

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Speaker 1: I think the first question is how do you judge it?

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Speaker 1: What is the where is the where is the where

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Speaker 1: of you a guy? So uh yeah, there's already a

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Speaker 1: there's three different disciplines and the Olympic format combines all

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Speaker 1: her up whole week. And so over the years she's

426
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Speaker 1: kind of taken on bigger walls, and so her goal

427
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 1: was to go up all caps. So she basically learned

428
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Speaker 1: how to ascend the ropes and then uh, you know,

429
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Speaker 1: I basically guided her cap and it was I was like,

430
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Speaker 1: that's it's a pretty proud effort for for an older lady.

431
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Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing. It's amazing, really amazing. So the podcast,

432
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 1: why do it? Oh, I think, yeah, I mean that's

433
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 1: a good question. But basically I think that climbing is

434
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Speaker 1: having a moment, you know, with it going into the Olympics.

435
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 1: But it's just an interesting time for climbing because the

436
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 1: sports been blowing up. I mean, COVID aside Jim's have

437
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: been experiencing tremendous growth. Tons of people are getting into climbing,

438
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: and it's just interesting because when I do events or

439
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 1: when I do you know, film events, everyone that I meet,

440
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I started climbing two years ago, I

441
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 1: started climbing three years ago, and they all start climbing

442
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 1: in the climbing gym, which is great, it's incredible access.

443
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 1: But it's just a very different time for climbing now,

444
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 1: and so we felt like it was a good moment

445
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 1: to share some of the iconic stories of climbing, so

446
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 1: sort of the timeless tales from the last you know,

447
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: fifty years of climbing, to show a little bit where

448
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: the sport has come from, but then also to show

449
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 1: where it's going, because most old school climbers don't really

450
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: they don't even understand the Olympic format that they don't

451
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 1: understand what elite competitors are doing. And now it's almost

452
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,479
Speaker 1: to the point where it's you know, splitting into different sports,

453
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 1: and so it's nice to find some of those stories

454
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: that tie them together. Give me one, give me, give

455
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Speaker 1: me one iconic story that that that your cover. Do

456
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 1: you get a cover? Well, I mean there there are

457
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Speaker 1: a bunch of a lot of them are iconic people.

458
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Speaker 1: But so the first episode is a fun interview with

459
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Speaker 1: Peter Croft, who's this legendary free soloist who actually he

460
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 1: appears in the film Free Solo as well. Um he's

461
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 1: the older guy that I chat with um and he

462
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: was a huge inspiration from my climbing. You know, I

463
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 1: saw the things that he had done and it really

464
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 1: showed me what what was possible for humans. And then

465
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Speaker 1: I sort of took that a step further with with

466
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Speaker 1: things like our cap. But we chat with Peter quite

467
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 1: a bit about where his vision came from, like why

468
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Speaker 1: he he felt like it was possible for him to

469
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Speaker 1: do things that nobody else thought were possible, and and

470
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Speaker 1: and then more importantly, where the limits of that vision

471
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: take you, you know, like why did he never look

472
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: at our cap and think that might be possible? And

473
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Speaker 1: then you know, why is it hard for me to

474
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Speaker 1: see past our cap? You know, like basically their generational

475
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: limits where it's like each climbing generation can see certain

476
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Speaker 1: big goals, but beyond that, it's like who knows. You know,

477
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Speaker 1: it's interesting, it's it's it's it's like i'll give you that,

478
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: I'll give you the basketball analogy, Like we watched the

479
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: dunk contest. Now you're like, why didn't guys go around

480
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: their back and through their legs and dunk it when

481
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: it was Michael Jordan's And it it was like, again, there's

482
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: like just a generational ceiling where Jordans took what Dr

483
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: j had done, taken off from the Fraisier line, and

484
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 1: he cocked it back instead of just anyway. Yeah, I know.

485
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 1: So the interesting thing that with basketball is presumably the

486
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: physical limits are roughly the same, and people probably jump

487
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Speaker 1: almost as high, they run almost as fast. I mean

488
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: probably that stuff is a little faster, but like, yeah,

489
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: human potential is relatively similar. You know, it's not like

490
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Speaker 1: people nowadays are running way faster than people years ago.

491
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Speaker 1: But but but slight lee and and and like you like,

492
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,159
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if if people previous to

493
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: you trained the way you did, eat the way you did,

494
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: and you have and the technology is even if it's

495
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: just very slightly there is slightly better, right, Yeah, yeah, totally.

496
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: In climbing, for sure, that makes the difference, Like the

497
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: shoes are better, the chocolate like, but the same thing

498
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: in basketball, like if you ever seen like Chuck Taylor's

499
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: like dudes are gonna jump, it's that it might just

500
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: be slightly but it'll be better. And what's crazy about

501
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: that those all those little tiny incremental shifts, like you

502
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't think that them pair of sneakers makes that big

503
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: a difference. But when you add up like all the

504
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 1: little things, like you're saying diet and fitness and you know,

505
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 1: conditioning equipment, and then and then you have the cultural

506
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: differences where you're like, oh, I saw you know, I

507
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: grew up watching videos of a guy do a certain thing.

508
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm gonna be better than that, you know,

509
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: and then it's just crazy, like what happens each generation?

510
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 1: You know, It's like there's just such such change. I

511
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, so basically that's what we're trying

512
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,239
Speaker 1: to explore through the podcast, is like, yeah, I mean,

513
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: because we're actually kind of looking at three different generations

514
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: of climbing are almost four if you count like the

515
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: modern elite Olympic style. It's basically like a fourth generation

516
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: of climbers, and there's just been just tremendous change, and

517
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: I mean even more than like a sport like basketball.

518
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, the sneakers change, but a sport like climbing,

519
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: the original pioneers of climbing, their ropes would actually physically break,

520
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: Like their ropes weren't guaranteed to catch falls. Like nowadays

521
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: you can trust your rope like with your life, like

522
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: a rope will always catch you. But back in the day,

523
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: rope snapped all the time routinely, so obviously that's a

524
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: completely different you know, it totally changes the way you

525
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: climb if you can't actually trust your safety equipment. How

526
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: do you like, there has to be there has to

527
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: be that in the how do you how do you

528
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: understand your own limits? I guess that that's the thing,

529
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: because if you look at what you've accomplished thus far,

530
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: you push the limits of what most people think a

531
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: human being is capable of doing. Right, But how do

532
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: you in your own mind go like, I can't do that.

533
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: I just it's just not you know, I mean, yeah, no, no,

534
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: I know. And that's that's an interesting question, and that's

535
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: something that as as a soloist, you have to wrestle

536
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: with all the time, because you know, there's always the

537
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: desire to do cool things, but then you have to

538
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: reconcile that with with whether or not as possible. But

539
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: I think for me, a lot of that just comes

540
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,239
Speaker 1: down to sort of you know, subjective feeling, like if

541
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 1: if I look up at a wall and it fills

542
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: me with dread and I'm like, oh, that makes me

543
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: feel a little sick to my stomach, or often you're

544
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: you feel overwhelmed, we need to go pooh. You know,

545
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, my stomach just dropped. You're like that,

546
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: doesn't you know when when things like that happened. Like, basically,

547
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: if it feels really scary, you're probably not ready for it,

548
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: is my takeaway. Okay, Um, what's your what's your white whale? What?

549
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: What's the climb you want to do you haven't yet done?

550
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 1: You always want to do it. It's like I just

551
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: lifetiming whatever hasn't happened yet. I mean, l Cap was

552
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: my white whale for for tightenings. Basically beyond that, I

553
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: can imagine a few other big climbs, but they don't

554
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: mean as much to me as El Cap, partially because

555
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: they aren't as local. They aren't as as personal. Uh

556
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, I mean because I grew up a couple

557
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: of hours away from from you somebody, so you know,

558
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: I remember going camping there as a kid. It's like

559
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: El Cap was something that's always not just the centrality

560
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: in the climbing world, but also in my personal life.

561
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: You know, It's like camping below and thinking how inspiring

562
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: it is and things like that. So you know, a

563
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: lot of the other climate objectives around the world sort

564
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: of lack that that personal attachment. But um, but no,

565
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: I mean there's some things I'd like to do in

566
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: bigger mountains. Um, there are a lot of historic free

567
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: soulis have been done in Europe that that I'd like

568
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: to go repeat. Yeah, exactly, that Alps in the Dolomites

569
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: in northern Italy. But so um, you know, I'd like

570
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: to go repeat some of those kinds of things. I mean,

571
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, I've always been I've always been a

572
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: fan of climbing history too. You know. It's like if

573
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: if other people from from my generation or or previously

574
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 1: have done hard climbs, I'd like to go repeat some

575
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: of those and so that that gives me plenty of

576
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: things to do. I would, I would guess, and I've

577
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: experienced this with my basketball podcast, but with your with

578
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: your podcast that you'll go any and obviously because of

579
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: free solo, everybody's going to know you, but you'll get

580
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: invited to, you know, to any and every climb, and

581
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: there'll be there'll be somebody in you know, the most

582
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: remote place and they'll say, like, I listen to your podcast.

583
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: The podcast thing is really remarkable on how easy it

584
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: it translates and people can listen to it at their

585
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: own pace, and especially when it's hyper focused on something

586
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: that you're into. I think you'll find it's going to

587
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: resonate on a level that's ridiculous. That's interesting. I yeah,

588
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. I like I since I have

589
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: no experience with it, I'm like, I have no expectation. Though, honestly,

590
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: that's pretty similar to the film Free Solo coming out,

591
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's like like anything about movies, and I

592
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: was just like, this is gonna be a crazy ride.

593
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: Let's just see what happens. And so the podcast feels

594
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: very much the same. We've been working on it for

595
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: the last six months, so you know, it's like we've

596
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: just been working away in my in my closet actually

597
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: is my sound studio. So I just sit in my

598
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: closet and I chat with a Climbers and we have

599
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: a good conversation, and I have no expectation for what

600
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: will happen with it. It's gonna be really interesting to

601
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: see what happens when it releases. When you like I

602
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: read when you moved into your house in seventeen, you

603
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: didn't have any furniture, so you just lived in your

604
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: van in the in the driveway. Yeah, for the first

605
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, I guess. Basically I closed on

606
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: the house and um, and all I had was WiFi,

607
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: like I had a wireless router in the house, but

608
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: no furniture. But he just used it as a hot

609
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: spotty hot spots, and and it was perfect because the

610
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: driveway at least. I was like, well, it's my driveway,

611
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: so I can park here as long as I want.

612
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: No one's ever gonna hassen me. You know, I can

613
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: use the bathroom. So I was like, oh, this is perfect.

614
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: I have WiFi, have a bathroom, and then I have

615
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: perfect parking where no one's going to disturb me. So

616
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: I just lived on the driveway for a while. Um. Okay,

617
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: you mentioned all this camping that you've done, Like are

618
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: you are you an expert camper? Like you can you

619
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: start your own fire without you know, just use the

620
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: wood and do that, do that deal? No? No, I

621
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: mean I have. I have done that in a few places,

622
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: and I have been with people who are quite good

623
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: at that kind of thing. But no, I mean I

624
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: would consider myself an expert American west Van camper, you know.

625
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: So I'm very good at feeling out what's public land,

626
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: what's private land, where you might get shot at, where

627
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: you won't get shot at, Where someone's gonna break into

628
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: your car, you know, whether neighborhood is going to be

629
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: quiet or not. Things like that, you know, but those

630
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: you always you don't do the tent. No, I mean

631
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: the whole beauty of a van is that uh yeah,

632
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: I've lived out of a van for basically fifteen years,

633
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: and um, and that allows you to travel all over

634
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,959
Speaker 1: the West, follow the weather, follow good conditions, climb you know,

635
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: full time. But um, I try to avoid a town

636
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Speaker 1: when possible, basically because it's just not as comfortable. You know.

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Speaker 1: so it's like my apartment just goes to wherever I

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Speaker 1: need to climb. Um. This this is the hardest one,

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Speaker 1: the most when you you close your eyes and it's like,

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Speaker 1: this is my spot on earth. That's the most beautiful

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Speaker 1: place that I've been. Is it ell cap What where

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Speaker 1: is it? Yeah? It's maybe all cat Meadow, It's maybe

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Speaker 1: Pattigan in southern Argentina, like big mountain range and okay,

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Speaker 1: it's okay. So I've I've had the gear, I've done

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Speaker 1: the Patagonia gear. I know what you're talking about. Give

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Speaker 1: me a this, Give me the verbal description of when

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Speaker 1: if you having been there. This is why Patagonia is

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Speaker 1: one of the most spectacular place centered. Patagonia is just

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Speaker 1: so wild. It feels like a prehistoric yusemite because it's

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Speaker 1: huge granite spires, but they're still active glaciers all over

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Speaker 1: their huge snow fields tumbling down the sides of the

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Speaker 1: granite peaks. I mean, it's like big, you know, silver

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Speaker 1: granite teeth sticking out of primeval glaciers. It's totally wild

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Speaker 1: with huge lakes and uh, it's just like a it's

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Speaker 1: like it's an epic landscape in the true sense of

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Speaker 1: the word epic, you know, like beyond human scope. It's

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Speaker 1: like it's it's all inspiring in the conventional sense of

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Speaker 1: the term, where you're like, you know, it's it's really

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Speaker 1: really impressive. Sounds sounds amazing. Well look, man, I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to hear the pod um And you know, everybody

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Speaker 1: knows the movie is spectacular and it's amazing to meet you.

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Speaker 1: And I really really appreciate your time. No, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you taking time away from from basketball, you know, I know,

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Speaker 1: to talk about something the other in ball sports it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a big deal. I appreciate you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's to me, it's it's interesting people and interesting

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Speaker 1: stories in sports. And what you end up having is this, uh,

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Speaker 1: this unique respect. I think there's the respect for what

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Speaker 1: use the sport of climate because it is a true sport.

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Speaker 1: And I agree, it's gonna have a huge summer. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be really amazing to see when it's in the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: Plus are I mean, like, look, here's the other thing

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Speaker 1: we talked about, equipment. I mean, how much is the

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Speaker 1: go pro changed everything? Right? So now you're you're seeing

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Speaker 1: p O B of what it's like, and it's incredible.

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Speaker 1: And so I'll be interested to see how NBC shoots it,

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Speaker 1: what it looks like. But it's gonna be it should

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Speaker 1: be amazing for your sport. So well. Actually, also, I'm

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Speaker 1: supposed to be doing commentary for the Olympics this summer.

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be there chatting about it. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what that entails exactly, but so a big part

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Speaker 1: of starting the podcast was so that I personally could

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Speaker 1: learn how to talk about these kinds of things that

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't totally embarrass myself with the Olympics, because I

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Speaker 1: kind of thought that the podcast would be perfect practice

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Speaker 1: for you know, live commentary, because I was like, oh no,

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Speaker 1: I have no idea how to do that. So you

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Speaker 1: have to you have to type, you have to do

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Speaker 1: what's called tighten it up. Tighten it up, tighten up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll ask you for advice on the time grounds. I'm like, so,

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Speaker 1: how do I do this? I would I'd love to help.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, thanks to your time posing me. Awesome. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate joining us. Yeah, thank you appreciate it. If you

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Speaker 1: haven't seen it, you should see it. The New York

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Speaker 1: Times said Alex Honald's free solo climb should be celebrated

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Speaker 1: as one of the great athletic feats of any kind ever. Like,

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Speaker 1: that's crazy, crazy, crazy crazy. What he had, what he is,

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Speaker 1: and what he was able to do. I can't imagine.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine? No, thanks, I I'm not scared of heights.

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Speaker 1: I'm scared of falling fights. That's my big thing. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed that conversation. I'm Doug Gottlieban. This

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Speaker 1: is all ball