1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: that gives you the secret histories and little known fascinating 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: facts and figures behind your favorite movies, TV shows, music 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: and more. We are your two guitar texts of triviality. 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: I'm Alex Heigel and I'm Jordan. Run Talk Jordan. Today 7 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking about one of the all time 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: greatest debut records, a true dirt bag magnum Opus that 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: captured the nexus of the Los Angeles glam metal and 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: hard rock scenes, minted both one of the all time 11 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: guitar heroes and genius slash madman lead singers of all time. 12 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: That's right, we are talking about Guns and Roses Appetite 13 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: for Destruction, which turned thirty five this year or thirty 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: five last year, this year, recorded think this week, this week? Wow, 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: I believe so Yeah, it's older than all of the 16 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: women they used to date. Jordan's I am guessing, by 17 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: what I know about you that this album is something 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: of a blind spot for you. That is true. I 19 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: am more a fan of crooner Richard Cheese's lounge versions 20 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: of these songs on his album A pair of Teef 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: for Destruction, which is very good. He was an incredible 22 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: version of Welcome to the Jungles. I'll give him that title. 23 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 1: That's good. A par of Tief of Destruction is really good. 24 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: But yes, you've correctly noted that I am not the 25 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: world's biggest g n R expert. Um. My main memory 26 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: of Axel Rose was basically just being frightened of him 27 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: whenever I saw him on TV as a child, and 28 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: just making those sounds like a strong out cat getting intricuted. Um. 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: I mean, for me, guns and Roses came at a 30 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: funny period when I was getting in the music in 31 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: the mid nineties, because by that point they were sort 32 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: of already passed it, and you know, Axel already kicked 33 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: everyone out from the classic lineup, and he was sinking 34 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: and there was fifteen year Chinese democracy saga, so they 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: didn't have anything new then. They're old stuff wasn't old 36 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: enough to be considered classic. I don't know. In the nineties, 37 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: to me, it just seemed old. It just seem I 38 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: remember the nineties thinking that all hair metal stuff just 39 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: kind of seemed like, I mean, you know, up there 40 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: with like disco stuffed with calling. I don't think they're 41 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: hair metal, as I said, I am, it's a useless 42 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,080 Speaker 1: genre distinction. But I also I don't know, man. I 43 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: heard these songs on like five The Rock of Central 44 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: p a like constantly growing up. But we've talked about 45 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: how formative VH one was for both of us growing 46 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: up and watching like the Countdown fifty Most Shocking Moments 47 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: in rock, Yeah, or even I mean for me it 48 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: was more of the hundred Greatest Artists of hard rock 49 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: starring Carmen Electra in a Louther dress. Um, but yeah, man, 50 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: everything is like Axel fights a security guard. Axel spent 51 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: thirty years making Chinese democracy acts of this acts that. Yeah, 52 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: I agree. His heart stopped for eight minutes. Yeah, well 53 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: that was NICKI six, I think, But yeah, Slash, oh 54 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: really maybe they Maybe it was like a heart stop race. 55 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: The arms race of l a hard rock was seeing 56 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: who could die for the longest time, and yet none 57 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: of them did. I was never really a G and 58 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: R fan. I have to tread carefully because my wife 59 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: was in a G and R cover band two years 60 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: running in which she played Axel. Oh what were they called? Uh? 61 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: There better be a pun or also going to be 62 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: really mad buns and posers. That's good, that's medium funny. Um. 63 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: But they played Hanks and I was in the bathroom 64 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: and I heard this dude talking to his buddy and 65 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: he was like, that was honestly, probably better than when 66 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: I saw them in the late nineties. So she's a 67 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: big Axel fan. I mean, having heard her sing, I 68 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: can buy that. Yes, yeah, I don't know. Man. I 69 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: went back and listened to it and I was like, 70 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: these songs slap. I never want to hear of them again. Um, 71 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: So thank what I assume is a dieheart station the 72 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: rock and Central p A for overplaying this out of 73 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: them to me anyway, from the band's disgusting pre and 74 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: post fame lives in l A and the city's gutters 75 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: to the records original extremely messed up artwork to the 76 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: time g R had a cameo in the fifth and 77 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: final Dirty Harry film Here's Everything you Didn't Know about 78 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: Appetite for Destruction. By the mid eighties, l A was 79 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: fully in the grips of the hair glam metal revolution. 80 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: You have quiet riots metal health, which is the one 81 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: with come on field to calm feel the Noise the 82 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: Slade cover, Yeah, that came out in eighty three, and 83 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: then also that year Motley Cruz Shout at the Devil. 84 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: You know that song, Shout at the Yeah. Just because 85 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: I don't react doesn't mean I don't know what it says. 86 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: I don't like it. I'm just gonna keep throwing hair 87 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: metal impressions at you yet, uh def Leppards Pyromania first, 88 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: Robert John Mutt Lang reference. Yeah, soo's all three of 89 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: us come out in eighty three and they are hits, 90 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: and it cements the commercial viability of this semi mutant 91 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: strain of hard rock that evolved out of this generation 92 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: of bands absorbing the first wave of this gender bending 93 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: glam rock. T Rex, New York Dolls, David Bowie and 94 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: their Heart Edged contemporaries, Still Hookie, still jammed with hooks 95 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: like Alice Cooper Kiss and Van Halen Slash actually goes 96 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: on to play one of the less palls that belonged 97 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: to Alice Cooper guitarist Steve Hunter just funny, Um, Yeah, 98 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: I think it was. I think it was Nikki six 99 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: actually maybe talking to Klosterman, talking to someone who's like 100 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: our biggest influences Aerosmith. Like all those guys loved Aerosmith. 101 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: That was like a huge thing for them, but the 102 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: genre at that point had yet to calcify into the 103 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: what we call pop metal. Um stuff like Poison, bon 104 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: Jovi or Aerosmith. Once they meet Diane Warren and start 105 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: cranking out Mr. Garbage starring his underage daughter and all 106 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: the music videos. Uh. Slash has a tremendous quote about this. 107 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: We hated Poison so much that we just spent a 108 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: lot of time touring around the different clubs in Los 109 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: Angeles just to blow Poisons doors up, just to steal 110 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: their audience. Um. The other thing is this is like 111 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: not yet even ten years removed from the first wave 112 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: of l A punk. So like some of these guys 113 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: were dangerous and grows. I mean, this is around the 114 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: whiskey ago goes around gazaries the rainbow. I mean it 115 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: is just a bunch of young, drunk dudes with chips 116 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: on their shoulders, with live guitars, and it kind of rules. 117 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: Mark Canter is a guy who grew up with Slash 118 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: and wrote the definitive book about this record, Reckless Road, 119 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: Guns and Roses and the Making of Appetite for Just Instruction. 120 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: He's the son of the owners of Cantor's Delhi and 121 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: l a institution, and there's you go in there and 122 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: there's pictures of guns and roses all over the wall. 123 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: Axel was suing them as we speak, no no, just 124 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: He's very litigious. He explained. Los Angeles in the mid 125 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: eighties seemed to be a place where anybody across the 126 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: country could just drop themselves off on a Greyhound bus 127 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: and go through the channels to see what they could become. 128 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: You're in the middle of the Sunset Strip, and between 129 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: the Troubadour, the Roxy and the Rainbow, you meet people 130 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: who are there to get a band together and play, 131 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: especially at the Rainbow. The Rainbow was the biggest turning 132 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: point for all the bands. That's where they ate hung 133 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: out and where most of the connections were made. There 134 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: was a lot of band hopping going on. It was 135 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: like a meat market for musicians. But as you said, 136 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: this was a rough scene, and these guys were so poor. 137 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: It's really sad. They lived like four to a room 138 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: or with people's parents. Axel worked at the Tower Records 139 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: on Sunset and he was sleep in the parking lot 140 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: under the stairs. After the store closed, he showered at 141 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: a local gym. And once this is just like Dickenzie 142 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: meets meets what meets Sunset strip. I guess it's like 143 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: if the Rolling Stones grew up in David Copperfield. Right 144 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: once the band split a single cheeseburger five ways. That 145 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: makes me really sad. Oh. I think the quote in 146 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: the Cantor book is that at the time that one 147 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: guy he was talking to, the one guy he aspired 148 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: to shower at a gym he was trying to get 149 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: so he didn't actually he had could. Yeah, he was like, 150 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: I gotta get a membership to a gym so I 151 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: could shower there. It was an aspiration for him, and 152 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: so many of these bands on the scenes were looked 153 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: after with the local strippers on the scene who were 154 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: basically like dead mothers to whoever their current boyfriend and 155 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: the boyfriend's bands were at the time. Slash later told 156 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: Rolling Stone in two thousand seven, strippers were our main 157 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: source of income. One of the places that Axel and 158 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: his friends lived didn't even have a toilet. Somehow, that 159 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: seems just like maybe number one on the list of 160 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: essentials you need to know you have not fulfilled. You 161 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: have not fulfilled Maslow's hierarchy of needs without a toilet, 162 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: although Slash did later go on to say it wasn't 163 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: like we actually lived there. He said, I can't remember 164 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: one night that we actually slept quietly there, like goodnight Axel, 165 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: good night Slash. It was more like that's where our 166 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: stuff was, and that's where you could pass out. I 167 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: like to imagine Guns and Roses doing the bit from 168 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: the Walton's Goodnight Slash, Goodnight acts, so goodnight Duff, good 169 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: night Matt, and then they all like pull their needles 170 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: out of their arms at the same time. Uh, without 171 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: getting too I say this every episode, and then I 172 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: proceed to do exactly that, but without getting too granular. 173 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: About the roots of the l A hard rock scene. 174 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: At the time, two bands formed Guns and Roses Hollywood 175 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: Rose and l A Guns, which you may be picking 176 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: up on a theme. Hollywood Rose Good hourist guy named 177 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: Chris Webber met the other guitarist in the non Slash 178 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: guitarists in Gin Rzzy Stradlin, in the parking lot of 179 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: the Rainbow Bar and Grill via l A Guns Tracy 180 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: Guns Uh, Slash joins the band and so does gin 181 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: R drummer Steven Adler. That band breaks up, and then 182 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: Axel joins l A Gun while Slash fails an audition 183 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: for Poison, or at least auditions successfully, and they decided 184 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 1: to go with CC de Ville, which I can think 185 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: we all could admit is probably for the best for 186 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: all parties involved. And then Hollywood Rose merges with L 187 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: A Guns in March, forming Guns and Roses. There's a 188 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: bunch of guys in this band, including Tracy Guns, but 189 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: they all get kind of replaced, including Seattle transplant Duff mccagan, 190 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: who is now like a being crazy rich dude because 191 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: he invested in Amazon early on, he like got sober 192 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: and then went back and got his m b A 193 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: and is now like richer than those other views by 194 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: an order of magnitude because he made a bunch of 195 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: savvy business decisions. I read that he had like serious 196 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: cred with his friends in Seattle because he met Joe 197 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: Strummer as a kid. Yeah, he was a big punk 198 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: rock kid. He was like, you know, on the ground 199 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: floor and punk rock. He also, if memory serves, has 200 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: one of the more disgusting stories where he's like Pancreas 201 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: was blowing up, and they had to like cut a 202 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: hole in his side to release like the heat and 203 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: gases that were being formed by his combusting organ. Otherwise 204 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: he would have actually exploded from within. Anyway, that's fine. 205 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: They warned us about pop rocks, but ah um as 206 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: will become a theme. Tracy Guns, explaining the two thousand 207 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: nineteen interview, Axel got into an argument with our manager, 208 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: and our manager fired him. But we all lived together, 209 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: so it was really weird. So that same night he 210 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: got fired, we started Guns and Roses, and I called 211 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 1: Izzy the next day and said, hey, we're going to 212 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: start this new band. Do you want in rejected. Early 213 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: names for the band included heads of Amazon. Sure, well, 214 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: I mean considering Duff's future, that's very and uh aids, 215 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: oh yeah, anyway, so that's are We're already establishing two 216 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: of the running themes in Guns and Roses, which is 217 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: Axle getting in fights and things that are in poor taste. 218 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: For four hundred Alex. The band very quickly got to work. 219 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: They played their first show after two days of rehearsals 220 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: in June of eight five, and then two days after 221 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: that they embarked on a West coast tour they hit Sacramento, Portland, Eugene, Seattle, 222 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: and San Francisco, booked by Duff via his old connections 223 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: from the punk rock days. Accounts differ as to whether 224 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: or not they had an Oldsmobile or Pontiac, but they 225 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: also had a U haul. The transmission died on the 226 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: car and the band pulled all their guitars out leaves 227 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: the rest of the gear and they hitch hiked up 228 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: to Seattle, occasionally whimsically, as Slash recalls, making forays into 229 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: local farms and stealing like onions and carrots from the 230 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: fields so that they could eat anyway. That tour they 231 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: called it the hell Tour, and everyone is like, that 232 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: was our moment. We're like bonded it, forged in, fire 233 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: bombed in blood um. And so when they get back 234 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: to l A, they set up in a shared living 235 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: space rehearsal spot, and they were discussing gross men is, 236 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: he was dealing heroin, and their appetite if you will 237 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: quickly became legendary. They were signed to Geffen Records by 238 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: an A and R man named Tom Zuto, who, in 239 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: an interview with Loudwire said no amount of alcohol or 240 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: drugs will slow them down. Guns and Roses were able 241 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: to consume those things yet deliver a live show and 242 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: deliver in the studio. And our friend Mark Cantor added, 243 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: Slash was like a monster. You could put two bottles 244 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: of booze in him and put a blindfold around them, 245 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: and he would still come out and play his part perfectly. 246 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: And Zuto actually knew quite a bit about heroic substance 247 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: in take. He was the guy who signed Motley Crewe 248 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: to Electra, so we know what he was talking about. 249 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: But guns and Roses maybe have Motley cruebeat. We mentioned 250 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: this at the up of the episode. There's the time 251 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: that Slash overdosed on a speedball at a hotel in 252 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: I think he was in San Francisco and was declared 253 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: legally dead for eight minutes, which is impressive because I 254 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: had heard that brain damage starts at around five minutes, 255 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: lack of oxygen to the brain. No one said it 256 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: be nice, No one said it didn't start. Oh, I 257 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: just said he came back. He later told the Guardian, 258 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: these drug dealers came to my hotel room at five am. 259 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: They had everything and I took all of it. I 260 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: started down the hallway and I ran into a maid 261 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: and I asked her where the elevator was, and then bam, 262 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: I collapsed. There's the thing that happens when paramedics wake 263 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: you up out of death like that, where it's just 264 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: like this huge shock of energy and lights, voices and 265 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: pandemonium and an unmistakable feeling. I've had it a few times, 266 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: and I remember that that is not even his only 267 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: overdose story in this episode. Yes, you actually my my 268 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: heart stopped when I was born. I was a premium 269 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: I had. I had a respiratory distress syndrome. My heart 270 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: stopped for like five eight minutes too, and they're worried 271 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: about brain damage. Did you come out with a little 272 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: top hat and a last ball? No, but I came 273 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: out with this weird fixation on researching pop culture things. Anyway, 274 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: the band plays a show at the Troubadour in February 275 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: of eighty six, and Zuto is in attendance, and that 276 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: is the show that convinces him to sign them, and 277 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: he was not alone. They covered Gimme Shelter and Heartbreak Hotel, 278 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: which was their encore for a long time, which I 279 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: find really adorable. That book is incredible. It has all 280 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: these early photos of them and has like their little 281 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: handwritten set lists that have like the stage Yeah, they 282 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: have the stage cues on them like it says like welcome, 283 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the jungle, like fog, and they have like 284 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: Paradise City like light show, and then it's just it's 285 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: really cute. Um uh yeah, so it's Mr brown Stone. 286 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: We all shoot all over. Zuto said. There were five 287 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: or six A and R people lined up in the 288 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: same spot. It was literally the loudest show I ever 289 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: seen in an l A club. But the band did 290 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: not sign right away and took a great amount of pleasure, 291 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: allowing themselves to get the proverbial wine and dine from 292 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: every single other A and our person in l A. 293 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: But they do eventually sign with Geffen in March, pulling 294 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: a seventy five thousand dollar advance after turning down one 295 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: almost double from Chrysalis Records. But Geffen crucially offered them 296 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: creative control, and Chrysalis wanted to tinker with their sounds, 297 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: so that was that. Zuto paid producer Spencer Proofer fifteen 298 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to record Night Train and Sweet Child of 299 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: Mind basically as a demo test and a former Guzn 300 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: Roses road, a guy named Ron Schneider's, explained the genesis 301 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: of the title night Train. He said, night Train was 302 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: the cheapest, nastiest bottle of wine you could buy. We 303 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: could never afford fifths of Jim Beam or Jack Daniels, 304 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: just night Train. And Cancer later told Loudwire Guzan Roses 305 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: recorded those songs in two or three weeks at a 306 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: time when they were totally out of control. Even Axel 307 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: wasn't in the best shape, and he was the cleanest 308 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: out of all of them, but he was fooling around 309 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: with whatever they were doing. Once he saw that they 310 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: were totally spun out, he just stopped. But nobody showed 311 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: up to the sessions on time. They throw up or 312 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: pass out in the studio, but they got the songs done. 313 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: Consummate professionals all prophet tells a pretty His version of 314 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: this is messed up. His kid was born about this time. 315 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: You know, he wanted to be with his family, his 316 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: wife and newborn child, and so he basically offered to 317 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: if I remembering correctly, split like a day with the band. 318 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: He was like, I'll give you guys five hours and 319 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: then I'm going home. To spend time with my kid, 320 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: and he says. The band all rolled into the studio 321 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: as one Slash pete on the wall and Axel threw 322 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: up on the control board and asked him if he 323 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: wanted to party, and he was like, no, I want 324 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: to record you guys, and then I want to go 325 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: home and be with my newborn child. And Axel then 326 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: told him that he could either work with Guns and 327 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: Roses or be a dad, but not both. And he 328 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: called up a zuto and then the label and quit 329 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: slashes quote, I don't recall any of that or else 330 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: makes or else. I didn't know about it, and Tom 331 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: didn't tell us that's a possibility, all right, I you know, 332 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to short sell the rest of the 333 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: band here, especially Duff tremendous basis. Go listen to uh 334 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: it Paradise City that has that crazy it's almost like 335 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: gospel base at the end it anyway, and they also 336 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: wrote a lot of this material collectively, which is interesting 337 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: considering how it sort of becomes the Axle Show later on. 338 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: But it's hard to argue that when you think of 339 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: G and R, you basically think of Axel and Slash. 340 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: Axel was born William Bruce Rose Jr. In Lafayette, Indiana, 341 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: and his early life sucked. He was an unplanned pregnancy. 342 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: His parents separated when he was around two. His biological 343 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: father allegedly abducted and molested him before skipping town and 344 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: was later murdered. Wow. Uh Supposedly this was the root 345 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: of his beef with Slash in later years. Uh. Slash 346 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: went on to work with Michael Jackson on the song 347 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: Give In to Me, and I think also performed at 348 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: a tribute concert for him that same year in and 349 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: Axel was apparently angry that he went to work with 350 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,239 Speaker 1: somebody who had been accused of child molestation. And this 351 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: is a cornoon interview given by the band's former manager, 352 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: Doug Goldstein and Rolling Stone Brazil. And I'm confused about 353 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: this because the big accusations against Michael Jackson in the 354 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: ensuing court case didn't happen until so a few years later. 355 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: But I don't know. Maybe there were whispers in the 356 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: industry about stories with Michael Jackson before that, or maybe 357 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: he kept up a relationship with Michael Jackson into the 358 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: mid nineties and that was why Axel was mad. But yeah, 359 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: he guess felt betrayed that Slash would associate with somebody 360 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: who had these accusations against him given his own personal 361 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: history with childhood abuse. So yeah, it's unclear, but that's 362 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: the theory that behind there they're split in they got 363 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: back together though they reformed minus I think it's just 364 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: the three of them minus sor Um, who replaced Adler. Anyway, 365 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: Axel's mom remarried again named Stephen Bailey, Steven L. Bailey, 366 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: who beat Axel and his siblings and raised them in 367 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: an extremely religious household. And he talks about like he said, 368 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: I think at one point we would have a TV 369 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: one week and then his dad would have like a 370 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: fit of religious purity and throw the TV out. But 371 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: Actuel grows up singing in churches, which is very interesting 372 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: and cute, and that's where he kind of got all 373 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: the different voices that he would use on the because 374 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: he really does have a tremendous range. I mean he's 375 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: ostensibly kind of I think when they did that, when 376 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: they did that big like witch lead singer has like 377 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: the biggest range. Thing. He was up there in like 378 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: the top three is like Prince him, you know, Freddie Mercury, Uh, 379 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: I have a controversial entry for this. I'm not saying 380 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: that necessarily octave range, but just in styles that they 381 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: can sing. Paul McCartney doing the little Richard stuff, I 382 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: mean the gospel along the line probably got I'm not 383 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: to like short Sell. I mean he's probably got like 384 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: three three um the thing. He's really the falsetto register 385 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: because yeah, because when you hit like like Prince, are 386 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: like Mike Patton, like those guys are up in like 387 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: dog whistle register, you gotta look up everybody going. Mike 388 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: Patton is a guy who is briefly in faith no more. 389 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: He sings the big faith you want at all, that 390 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: one that sets him singing. But he has had an 391 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: incredibly very career. He does all kinds of stuff. Just 392 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: go onto YouTube and look up a compilation of his 393 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: high notes. For a guy who does not have big 394 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: name recognition, that man is one of the craziest singers 395 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: at five. Anyway. Axel found out about his biological dad 396 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: at seventeen and quickly descends into just the stereotype of 397 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: juvenile delinquency. He racks up twenty plus arrests for things 398 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: like public intoxication and battery, serves jail time um, and 399 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: he moves to l A after So that's all before 400 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: he moves to l A. Oh yeah, this is his 401 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: origin story. We're not even in l A yet. Lafayette authorities, 402 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: we're going to just charge him as a habitual criminal 403 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: and just like I think, prison not jail. Prison, Can 404 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: you do that? I'm sure in Lafayette, Indiana in the 405 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: eighties you can do a lot of Axel is problematic. Uh, 406 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: he not a good not a nice guy, sorry, not 407 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: a nice guy, constantly getting into fights with people, just 408 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 1: a garbage person to most of the women in his life. 409 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: Was or is almost certainly a homophobe and racist. Giving 410 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: some of the songs and lyrics, he just chose to 411 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: lay down. But people have said for the most part 412 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: he was at least less up than a lot of 413 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: his bandmates. Chemically speaking, this was I think what some 414 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: people have said because he was on medication to control 415 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: his bipolar disorder, or because they called it back in 416 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: the day manic depressive. The band's former European publicist, Arlette 417 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: Viriq told a loudwire Axel wasn't really doing drugs because 418 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: of the medication he was on. He was not a 419 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: big drinker either. People have a misconception about that, but 420 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: he was the clean and mostly sober one. Really, he 421 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: wanted to preserve his voice and he was serious about it. 422 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: And then Zuto adds to that Axel was the only 423 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: sober one and he was surrounded by guys that were 424 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: either strung out on heroin, drugged out on pills, or 425 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: in an alcoholic stupor, and that added to some of 426 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: the friction in the band. Axel didn't want to be 427 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,239 Speaker 1: around the guys that were all up. Still talk more 428 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,479 Speaker 1: about this in interview with Rolling Stone, he said that 429 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: even in this rental house that had been completely ripped 430 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: apart by the band, Axel locked himself away. He said, 431 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: there was this path locked door you o inside, and 432 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: there was Axel in the immaculate, perfect room, surrounded by 433 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: all this squalor. That was the dichotomy of guns and roses. 434 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: One woman, Vicky Hamilton's, who was an early manager There's, 435 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: she even suggested that he had multiple personality disorder and 436 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: raises a truly alarming fact. She said, he has this 437 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: very likable little boy personality and then he has the 438 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: demon dog from hell personality, and then she says the 439 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: color of his eyes actually changes when he goes into 440 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 1: this different person. Wow, little even sober he was, he 441 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: was a handle. The band was Supposedly they were set 442 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: to sign their Geffen contract at six pm on a Friday, 443 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: which seems like a weird time but maybe part for 444 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: the course of the music industry. And Axel was upset 445 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: because he couldn't find his contact lenses in his apartment. 446 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: I mean, that's why his eyes changed color when he's Yeah, 447 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: he couldn't find him. He was furious, so he disappears 448 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: in a huff and they found him meditating on top 449 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: of the whisk. He like like like a like a 450 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: sleazy sunset stripped dollar lama. He shows up to sign 451 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: the contract three hours later. Ah. He legally changed his 452 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: name around this time, but it had not gone through 453 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: when he got his check, so we didn't have a 454 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: bank account. And he just kept his portion of their 455 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: advance stuffed in socks in his apartment or in his boots, 456 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: just rolling around l a with like thousands of dollars 457 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: crammed in his biker boots. Where is that? I think 458 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: that being three hours late isn't that bad for like 459 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: acle time or guns and roses, in the I mean 460 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: grading on a curve. Yeah, um, Slash has a much 461 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: more cosmopolitan upbringing, interesting enough. Born Saul Hudson in Hempstead, London. 462 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: That's up there with a Cooper's real name, like Victor 463 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: Fourier Vincent. Yeah, his mother Slash. His mom, Ola Hudson, 464 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: was an African American fashion designer and costumier whose clients 465 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: included David Bowie, whom she dated, Ringo Starr, and Janis Joplin. 466 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: I didn't know the Jannis Chopol one while, but yeah, 467 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: Bowie talks a lot about knowing baby Slash in the 468 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: seventies and this was in his thin white Duke era. 469 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: I think Slash his mom did the costumes for The 470 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: Man Who Felt Earth movie too. Slash later said that 471 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: having Bowie come over to see his mom when he 472 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: was a little boy was like watching an alien land 473 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: in your packing. And he also recall a time that 474 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: he walked in on the naked, which is traumatizing. David 475 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: Bowie had sex with my mom. I mean, kid, you 476 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: weren't alone. His dad, Anthony Hudson, was an illustrator and 477 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: he drew album covers with the likes of Neil Young 478 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: and Joni Mitchell Uh and Slash said, I've always been 479 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: amused that I'm both British and black, particularly because so 480 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: many American musicians seemed to aspire to be British, while 481 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: so many British musicians in the sixties in particular went 482 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: to such great pains to be black. That's very astute. 483 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: I like that. Ah. He was raised by his father 484 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: in paternal grandparents in Stoke on Trent, and then when 485 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: he was around five, he and his dad jointed his 486 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: mom in l A fun fact. He was a bicycle 487 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: moto cross star as a kid. Cantor grew up with him, 488 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: and Slash says he met Mark Cantor trying to steal 489 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: his mini bike. Um, but this guy says the tricks 490 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: that he performed on his bike were ahead of the time. 491 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: Slash was a star. Ah. He starts playing guitar. He 492 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 1: initially wanted to be a bassist. Wait, so you've only 493 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: been playing guitar like five six years when he when 494 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 1: there was Wow, that's crazy to me. Yeah, tenours, baby. 495 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: He worked twelve hour shifts in a clock factory to 496 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: pay for his guitar collection, which is adorable. Imagine little 497 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: Slash like lugging geppetto Well, yeah, I was gonna. I 498 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: doubt he was a watchmaker, but that's much more funny. 499 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: If he has like the jeweler's loop in his eye, 500 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: like making watch mechanisms, it's probably just slepping like Rolex 501 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: is around in a warehouse or something. Anyway, he forms 502 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: his first band in one and another three along with 503 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: Steven Adler, so these guys went back with each other. 504 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: The second Man also included Duff, and they auditioned one 505 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: time Black Flag vocalist Ron Rays as their vocalist didn't 506 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: didn't take um slashes. Heroic chemical intake may have been 507 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: because of his admitted stage fright. He gets nervous in 508 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: front of crowds and he doesn't want to look directly 509 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: at them, which inspired his most recognizable trademark other than 510 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: the less Paul the top hat. I just think all 511 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: of these super agro musicians with stage fright is just 512 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: so cute. Let me famously sang in Motorhead with the 513 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: mike up over his head and angled downwards, and that 514 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: was so he would have to sing with his chin 515 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: tilS it up and wouldn't have to look at the crowds. 516 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: So cute. I don't know if this really counts, but 517 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: John Lennon in well pretty much all the Beatles days, 518 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: he never wore his glasses, so he'd be on stage 519 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: and was kind of intense. Look especially in the early 520 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: like Cavern days and in Hamburg, where he looked like 521 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: he was just kind of glaring at the audience, is 522 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: because he couldn't see a thing. And I think he 523 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: kind of he thought that the glasses weren't cool, But 524 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: I think he also kind of liked it that way too, 525 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: because he didn't want to know what the crowd was like. Yeah, 526 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: um slashes told the genesis of his hat a few times. 527 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: My my favorite retelling of it is Conan O'Brien just 528 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: this year. He found it in eighty five. He said, 529 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: I remember this because there were two stores. There was 530 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: Leathers and Treasures and the next door to that retail 531 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 1: slut that's good. I went in there and I didn't 532 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: have any money and I just saw the top hat. 533 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,479 Speaker 1: It spoke to me. I figured, what the I'll just 534 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: walk out with it and see what happens. So I did. 535 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: Then I went next door to Leathers and Treasures and 536 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: I stole a conscho belt and went back to the 537 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: apartment me and actually were living at the time. We 538 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: had a show at the Whiskey that night, so I 539 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: took the concho belt and I cut it up and 540 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: put it around the hat, and I wore it that night. Eventually, 541 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: he said, it just became a thing where I really 542 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: identified with it, like I wore it all the time. 543 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: There was a way to pull it over your eyes. 544 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: You could hide be find it if you were really high. 545 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,959 Speaker 1: It was great for bad hair days. I had no 546 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: intention of it being this long term show thing either. 547 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: That was also a tribute to Mark Boland. Had you 548 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: ever heard that? I didn't. It seems likely, but no, 549 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: I didn't read him saying that I like the idea 550 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: that has become this albatross around his neck, like he 551 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: just like wakes up and looks somewhere. Time to make 552 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: the doughnuts, Time to put on the top hat. We're 553 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: going to take a quick break, but we'll be right 554 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: back with more. Too much information and just a moment. 555 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: The band struggled to find a producer for their debut record. 556 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: My favorite anecdote this is Kiss guitarist Paul Stanley, who 557 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: showed up at an apartment the label had rented for them. 558 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,719 Speaker 1: On sunset, found Izzy and Stradlin nodding out on the couch, 559 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: and I guess just waited for them to wake up, 560 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: and they play him some demos, including an early version 561 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: of Night Train, which he liked but suggested that it 562 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: may be need an extra hook in the chorus. And 563 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: that was enough for Axl Rose to never speak to 564 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: Paul Stanley again or even look at him. He supposedly 565 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: refused to look at Paul Stanley. I mean, if you 566 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: looked at Paul Stanley fair. I heard that Paul Stanley 567 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: wanted to give Welcome to the Jungle, a chorus that 568 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: I think, to use his words, was more memorable, more 569 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: sing along, more anthemic, basically making a kiss song, and 570 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: Guns and Roses were offended by that Welcome to the Jungle. 571 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: Paul Stanley also supposed they wanted to take drums out 572 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: of Adler's heroically large drum set, which was a no no. 573 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: I had heard that the band like hid some of 574 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: his kids, like exactly. They were all like, you guys, 575 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: you have too many drums. I'm guessing he had like 576 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: the big like seventeen talk probably like Neil Pert and 577 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: Rush Style Kid, and they literally hid them from him 578 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: so that he would not have his many to play 579 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: in his autobiography, The Heroin Diaries. Meanwhile, Motley cruz Nikki 580 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: six claim that he was bagged. Those are the words 581 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: he uses. I'd take several times to produce Guns and 582 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: Roses first album, Slash talked about eyeing producer Tom Warman, 583 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: who had also worked with Motley Crue as you mentioned earlier, 584 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: were signed by Tom Zuto. Warman attended a Guns and 585 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: Roses rehearsal. They were playing the song Mr. Brownstone, and 586 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: they were playing it so loud that he just walked out, 587 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: never to return. Robert John Mutt Lang our guy, was 588 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: also floated, but he cost too much, so the van 589 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: went with a guy named Mike Clink, who would go 590 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: on to work on a host of other iconic hard 591 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: rock records like Metallicas and Justice for All, as well 592 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: as the Super Bowl x x x V halftime show 593 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: featuring Aerosmith and Sink, Nellie and Britney Spears, also known 594 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: as the weirdest halftime show in NFL history. Yeah. Um, 595 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: A big problem around this time in getting appetite off 596 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: the ground is that they just refused to stop playing live, 597 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: like they just did not take enough time off from 598 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 1: playing live shows to get there together. Well, it's probably 599 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: a trauma response to this is their only way of 600 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: making money. And when they're splitting the Hamburger five ways, 601 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: they probably were like I just could all evaporate, Like 602 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: all right, we should, you know, do what we can 603 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: to make sure we have money flowing. They did get 604 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: seventy five grand, which they promptly blew the split five ways. Yes, sure, 605 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: we'll give them that generous reading you know, my whole 606 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 1: thing about being a musician post digital and reading about 607 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: these guys who had more money than God and squandered 608 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: at all. They burned through their advance within weeks, and 609 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: Juto said they boot through a further hundred k a 610 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: hundred gas, so twenty five more than their advance. They 611 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: went through. They rented them apartments, They rented them Cecil B. 612 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: Demill's former house, which will cover in a second. He 613 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: said they were about two thirds of an album short 614 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,360 Speaker 1: of short of material. Um. Yes, this rented house that 615 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: belonged to Cecil B. Demill, which is where Sweet Child 616 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: of Mine came together. A jam session Slash it was 617 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: noodling around on this technical exercise that he had worked out. 618 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: He called it a circus melody, which now I can't 619 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: unhear because it does kind of sound like a calliope, 620 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: like do do do Do Do do? Wasn't it just 621 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: like a string skipping exercise or something? Yeah, he was 622 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: working on his he was working on his right hand picking, uh, 623 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: and the bench just started jamming on it. Axel heard 624 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: it from upstairs and started writing lyrics to it based 625 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: on his girlfriend at the time, Aaron Everley. She's the 626 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: daughter of Don Everley of the Everly Brothers, who fans 627 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: will know from our American Pie episode, and her grandfather. 628 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 1: I didn't realize this was a guy named Robert Stephenson 629 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: who was a movie director. He directed Mary Poppins and 630 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,440 Speaker 1: other Disney movies, Herbie the love Bug and bed Looves 631 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: and Broomsticks. One degree of separation between Axel Rose and 632 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: her the love Bug and Mary Poppins and It's amazing. 633 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: Um the mine where everything was as fresh as the 634 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: bright blue sky had a really personal meaning for Axel. 635 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: Can you give us that? He told the l a 636 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: times the blue skyline was actually one of my first 637 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: childhood memories, looking at the blue sky and wishing I 638 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: could disappear in it because it was so beautiful. That 639 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: nice Okay, I hold that, hold that sweet moment in 640 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: your soul. I'm about to rip it apart. There might 641 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: be a slightly more sinister interpretation to the song, which 642 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: again everyone is sort of historically thought was just a 643 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: love song, basically to Aaron Everley Um. According to an 644 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: interview that Axel gave with Eddie Trunk in two thousand 645 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: and six, the video that they wanted to do for 646 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: the song quote was supposed to be of an Asian 647 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: woman carrying a baby into the United States. At the 648 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: end of the video, the baby, which I assume is 649 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: revealed to be a doll, is cut open and there's 650 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: heroin inside. Because that's what the song is about. That's 651 00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: what Axel says. So that's oh street chat of my 652 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: I alm a s wonder if you just was like 653 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: making that up on the spot. I never makes up everything. 654 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: He's just so full of it. I mean, that's the thing, dude, 655 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: What do people say about like you stopped maturing at 656 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: the age you get famous. And he was a juvenile 657 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,520 Speaker 1: delinquent who was into one of the biggest bands in 658 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: the world when he was like twenty one. John mulaney 659 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: thing is Mick Jagger dice No, well, I mean probably, 660 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: I mean, in addition to the fan thing, he probably 661 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: stopped maturing even earlier because of all the traumatic stuff 662 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: that happened to him. Really, it's true. Uh So he 663 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 1: finishes the word the next day and the band as 664 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: the bridge and the where do we get? Where do 665 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: we go? The breakdown at the end, along with a 666 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: guitar solo inspired by Freebird. Every guitar solos inspired by Freebird? 667 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: What are you guys saying? Yeah? Leonard Skinner was a 668 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: big influence on the song. Slash is also cited influences 669 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: like Man for Man's version of Blinded by the Light 670 00:36:53,640 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: and my favorite Gary Rafferty's Baker Street Bit bit, best 671 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: saxophone hook and a rock song of all time. Matt 672 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: and turned the page. But he was gonna no, that 673 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: song makes me sad. Yeah, it's so good. Um. Slash 674 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: hated this song, which is so funny. I hated that 675 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: song with a huge passion for the longest time, he said, 676 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 1: And it turned out to be our hugest hit. So 677 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: it goes to show what I know. It's got to 678 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: be annoying to play, like if it was started off 679 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,359 Speaker 1: as a finger exercise, like if you try to get 680 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: your fingers nimble, that's gotta be like a tough and 681 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: probably very annoying song just to play from a physical standpoint. 682 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: But and yeah, he said repeatedly over the years that 683 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: have Axel hadn't been listening in and showed up with 684 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 1: lyrics that he'd written to what they've been playing, there 685 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: is no way in hell that Sweet Child of Mind 686 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: would have been turned into a song. Um, I have 687 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: a slash guitar question for you. Is it true that 688 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 1: he used the Les Paul copy on this album because 689 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: he'd like basically hawked his good stuff for money. Yeah? Yeah, 690 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 1: The big one around the time in this in this 691 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: era is ec rich, which is the pointed neon ones 692 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 1: that you see. I think CC Deville was the notable. 693 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: He played a mocking bird, which I think slash. Also 694 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: you see pictures of him with that in the in 695 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: the Canter book. But yeah, he went through a few 696 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: different guitars. He was trying to play an SG on 697 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: it and got so frustrated that he threw it through 698 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: the window of a van, which I believe it was 699 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: a rented guitar um and probably a rented van. Yeah yeah, 700 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: although we've we looked this up last night, right, we 701 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: actually found where that Gibson comes from. Oh yeah, it 702 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: is a a luthier by the name of Chris Derek 703 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: who died a few months before at that for Destruction 704 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: was released in unfortunately, which is really sad because he 705 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: couldn't He didn't live to see that this guitar. I 706 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: think he made something like twenty copies of the les 707 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: Paul became really sought after. I think Slash only has 708 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: two of them. Lenny Kravitz has one, and like Charlie 709 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: Daniels for some reason, I had one. Like they became 710 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: really sought after, and then Gibson put out a signature model, 711 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,720 Speaker 1: so they put out a replica of a replica, which 712 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,919 Speaker 1: is great because they got passed off is the real 713 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: thing there's For all I know, maybe one or two 714 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,080 Speaker 1: of these twenty copies out there are floating around by 715 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,800 Speaker 1: people who don't know they're not real because they have 716 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 1: Gibson on the headstock. So there's a whole thing about 717 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: what they call lawsuit guitars from the late seventies because 718 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: Fender changes hands CBS by Spender around this time, and 719 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,919 Speaker 1: the quality kind of goes to Like if you're looking 720 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: at used vendors online, they differentiate between pre and post 721 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: CBS years, and companies like Ibanez we're making these like 722 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,320 Speaker 1: copies in Japan of famous guitar models that were many 723 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: cases better and they even wrote the They would even 724 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: write iban as in like the Fender script. They're called 725 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: lawsuit bases because Fender and Gibson would suit them to 726 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: get them to stopping mate. But yeah, it was uh 727 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: so Gibson less ball copy. I think he had Seymour 728 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: Duncan pickups in there, and then they just plugged into 729 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: a Marshall Man Classic Classic sound C C DE Mill 730 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: House CC DE Mill cecil B de Mill, c C 731 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: DE bill Is. That was a portmanteau of Poison guitarist C. C. Deville. H. 732 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 1: You know Poison grew up next to me in Pennsylvania, right, 733 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Yeah, Brett Michaels was like the next 734 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: town over, right. Macco's went to Mechanics, grew up Mechanicsburg. 735 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: I think the bassist grew up in Harrisburg and the 736 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: drummer went to my high school. Not at the same 737 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: time obviously, but that was like our big musical success story. 738 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: This would have been right around Laracco Love, right, so 739 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: that must have been like serious. Yeah, bragging rights, that's 740 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,399 Speaker 1: the word for it. Uh So the de Mill House 741 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: has my favorite quote. The landlord summoned Zuto and the 742 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: band's then manager, Arnold still felt fetto Steve Felto Arnold, 743 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: guy's name was Arnold. You're happy, guy said he almost fainted, 744 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: possibly from the smell. The band had ripped the toilets 745 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,280 Speaker 1: out of the floor and thrown them through the windows. 746 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: Maybe they were frightening of the side of them. They've 747 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: been in a place with notes. What the hell is that? 748 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: Kill it with fire? Uh Zuto says. The inside was 749 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: even worse. Quote. People were defecating in the sinks. The 750 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: holes in the floor where the toilets got ripped off 751 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: were filled with urine. There were half eaten whoppers with 752 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,280 Speaker 1: mold on the wrappers. They would get in these drug 753 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: rages and just go berserk. The damage to the house 754 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: total twenty two thousand dollars, and Arnold, whose name was 755 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,359 Speaker 1: on the least, submitted that to Geffen Records and then 756 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: promptly dropped the band as clients. So if you are 757 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: keeping attention, the money that we know about, which I'm 758 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: sure does not even begin to cover it, seventy grand advance, 759 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: further hundred grand expenses, seventy five thousand damage to the 760 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 1: CCBCC cecil B DE mill house. We are at a 761 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,239 Speaker 1: hundred and ninety seven thousand dollars before they even record 762 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: the basic tracks to this record. And that doesn't factor drugs, Yeah, exactly, 763 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: stripper budgets or maybe it does. Maybe the uh, I 764 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 1: don't know, we don't know that. But these people were feral. 765 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,399 Speaker 1: That is the word. I mean. They showed the story 766 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: where they showed up the geff and offices of the 767 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: woman Claude only in a shower curtain. We're still soaking 768 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 1: wet Jesus Christ. Uh. Finally we get into the songs. 769 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: Truly one of the greatest all time side one track ones, 770 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: best album openers, definitely a shortlist. Welcome to the Jungle 771 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: supposedly came together like three hours. Again, this is kind 772 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,399 Speaker 1: of the most united the band would be on that front. 773 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: They were just bringing fragments to each other and work 774 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: on different things together, uh, And Slash said, Welcome to 775 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: the Jungle was really the first thing we all collaborated on. 776 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,759 Speaker 1: He said that Axel remembered the main riff to that 777 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,440 Speaker 1: song from something that Slash played while Axel was living 778 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 1: and Slash his mom's basement, so at some point he 779 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: had this memory of and like, hey, remember that thing 780 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,799 Speaker 1: you played four years ago or whatever. It was this 781 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 1: incredible stuff and the breakdown Britten did boom badoom? Do 782 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: you know where you are? Do you the jungle? Baby? There? 783 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 1: It is there? It is uh. That was written in 784 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,240 Speaker 1: Night from Duff's first punk band, and Axel supposedly gets 785 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 1: that thing that I just did uh from He and 786 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 1: his buddy got off a Greyhound in New York and 787 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 1: a homeless guy supposedly looked at him and said, do 788 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: you know where you are? You're in the jungle baby, 789 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: You're gonna die, which you know, I believe it the 790 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: poor authorities rough. Yeah. The version I heard was that 791 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,800 Speaker 1: Axel was spending the night in a playground in Queens 792 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,800 Speaker 1: and some guys saw him and shouted that at him. Um. 793 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: And yet still another version I heard was that Axel 794 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: hitchhiked with a truck or to l A and the 795 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 1: trucker dropped him off and he said, welcome to the 796 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,280 Speaker 1: jungle and drove off. Well, that is what's in the video, 797 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: like he's like hitchhiking and comes out he literally has 798 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,799 Speaker 1: the wheat like hanging out of his mouth like he 799 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: put it in his back. Uh is his girlfriend at 800 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 1: the time, a woman named Desi Kraft, recalls the incident 801 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,920 Speaker 1: that led to the song Mr Brownstone, we've been dancing 802 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,280 Speaker 1: with mass stop bounced on my my mid register axles 803 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 1: not as good as my falsetto axel. She said, Slash 804 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: came to our place on Orchid with a lump of 805 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: Mexican tar heroin and wanted to cook it all up 806 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: is he and I told him to just do a 807 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,320 Speaker 1: little bit because there was this death tar going around 808 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: and remember that izz he was dealing so he knew 809 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: from heroin. Slash said it was okay and shot up. Well, 810 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,200 Speaker 1: he pretty much went rigor mortis in the chair and 811 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,359 Speaker 1: we got him on the floor and gave him mouth 812 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 1: to mouth, after which she says, they all wrote the song, 813 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: and she is upset that she is not cutting on that, 814 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 1: which is fair. Didn't they write it on the back 815 00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: of like a paper grocery bag or something. I read 816 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: that they read it on the back of something or 817 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,360 Speaker 1: a whopper rapper once they cleaned the mold off. There's 818 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: been debate over the years. I mean, it's widely believed 819 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,320 Speaker 1: that the song was about Heroin. I think Slash is 820 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,240 Speaker 1: uh and some other members of the band have tried 821 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,640 Speaker 1: to kind of walk that interpretation back. But during a 822 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: show that the band was performing in Los Angeles, I 823 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,400 Speaker 1: think they're opening for the Rolling Stones in October, Axel 824 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: set on the stage unless certain people in this band 825 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 1: get their crap together craps my edit there Can you 826 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,239 Speaker 1: imagine Axel Rose saying crap? I can't. Uh, these will 827 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 1: be the last Guns and Roses show you'll ever see 828 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: because I'm tired of too many people in this organization 829 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,719 Speaker 1: dancing with Mr Dan brown Stone. So it sounds like 830 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 1: he at least believed it to be about heroin, and 831 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: this on stage tirade got the attention of his bandmates 832 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,120 Speaker 1: because Slash and Izzy and Steven Adler promised to clean 833 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: up after that. I don't know how long that lasted, 834 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: but apparently the message got through uh. The song. Mr 835 00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: brown Stone also addresses Axel's habit of being uh party 836 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: for show. There's a line the show's usually start around seven, 837 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 1: we go on stage around nine, and Axel has addressed 838 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: this tendency as if it were a medical diagnosis that 839 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: he has no control over. He said, I pretty much 840 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: follow my own internal clock, and I perform better later 841 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 1: at night. Nothing seems to work out for me until 842 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:19,839 Speaker 1: later at night. I don't want to make people sit 843 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 1: around and wait. It drives me nuts. That hour and 844 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: a half or two hour time period that I'm late 845 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: going on stage is living hell because I'm wishing there 846 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 1: was any way on earth I could get out of 847 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: where I am and knowing I'm not going to be 848 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: able to make it. I mean, he literally caused a 849 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 1: living hell. Look, I don't want to he's he has 850 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,520 Speaker 1: some demons. He has some Yeah, I am certainly in 851 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,040 Speaker 1: the depths of my depression being able to get up 852 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,760 Speaker 1: out of do anything. But also people were not dangling 853 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,319 Speaker 1: seven figure checks in front of me to just do 854 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 1: the thing that is nominally what I'm supposed to do. 855 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you remember the whole Metallica thing, right, Um No, 856 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,880 Speaker 1: they were on torty other James Hetfield steps into a 857 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 1: Piro and like horrifically burns half his body. I have 858 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,719 Speaker 1: not heard this no co headlining tour in between G 859 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: and R and Metallica in Montreal. James Hetfield basically he 860 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:19,480 Speaker 1: said there was too much Piro. So they were choreographed 861 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: for some Piro and there was extra Piro and it 862 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: blew him up. I mean he had second and third 863 00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: degree burns. It could not finish the show. And you 864 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,800 Speaker 1: know they talked about this in one of those v 865 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: H one shows. Um, I think it's Jason Newstead is like, 866 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 1: you know, Guns and Roses really could have stepped up 867 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 1: and saved that show. They could have come on and 868 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 1: done like a heroic set and united everyone, and uh, 869 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,279 Speaker 1: Guns and Roses um did not do that. They took 870 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:51,759 Speaker 1: a long time to get on the stage and then 871 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 1: they played like a short set and the audience rioted 872 00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 1: and literally took to the streets of Montreal and set 873 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 1: fire to things and flipped cars. So like maybe set 874 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: up alarm Maxwell. Anyway, moving on, My Michelle. The band 875 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,680 Speaker 1: also wrote the song My Michelle, intributed to the band's 876 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,240 Speaker 1: friend Michelle Young, who was one of the many women 877 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,840 Speaker 1: in their lives who supported the band by you know, 878 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:23,520 Speaker 1: every means necessary given them housing more like every single 879 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: level of the Maslow Pyramids. These women fulfilled for these guys. 880 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 1: Uh And I guess she was traveling with the band 881 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 1: once and Elton John's Your Song came on the radio 882 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,000 Speaker 1: and she commented how she always wanted a song written 883 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 1: about her, and Axel remembered this and eventually delivered with 884 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:43,359 Speaker 1: My Michelle. But instead of sweet, romanticized lyrics, he came 885 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: up with this unvarnished portrait of her difficult life, and 886 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,680 Speaker 1: she was later told Classic Rock Magazine in two thousand five. 887 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 1: At the time, I didn't care because I was so 888 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,440 Speaker 1: messed up. But what it says is all true. My 889 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: dad does distribute porno films, and my mom did die 890 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 1: even even the sweet story with considering me have this 891 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:07,840 Speaker 1: this underside. When they finally get around to recording in January, 892 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,799 Speaker 1: seven basic tracks were recorded at a studio owned by 893 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,120 Speaker 1: Captain of Captain and two deal That is so funny. 894 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:22,799 Speaker 1: Man Darryl Dragon was a musical powerhouse. He was remember yeah, 895 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,400 Speaker 1: it was just his real name, by the way. He 896 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,279 Speaker 1: was a touring member of the Beach Boys in the 897 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: sixties and early seventies, and it was Mike Love who 898 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:35,800 Speaker 1: gave him the nickname Captain Keyboard. Oh that Mike um words. Yeah. 899 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 1: Maroo five also recorded songs about Jane and his studio. 900 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: I just think it's amazing that in the same place 901 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,719 Speaker 1: where Welcome to the Jungles recorded, Uh Sunday Morning was 902 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,080 Speaker 1: also recorded. Um Zuto said the band might have worked 903 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,880 Speaker 1: consistently for one week and the next week they didn't 904 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,120 Speaker 1: turn up. When Axel was in the frame of mind 905 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:57,959 Speaker 1: to work, he might work for two or three days 906 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,200 Speaker 1: straight and then not turn up for a week. He 907 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,840 Speaker 1: might come in every day during an eight hour period. 908 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,320 Speaker 1: I assume what he means is for eight hour period. 909 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,960 Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean that's that's manic depressive. That's that's 910 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,359 Speaker 1: bipolar behavior. You know, the same thing with talking about 911 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,160 Speaker 1: Charles Mingus, the Loneous Monk. Yeah, how did it just go? 912 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:22,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, both of those guys, I mean, uh, undiagnosed 913 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, and like extremely self medicating. I probably already 914 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,799 Speaker 1: told you this. There's this anecdote in the Charles Mingus biography, 915 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,799 Speaker 1: UM myself when I am real where they go backstage 916 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 1: and each just take a handful of pills out of 917 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,160 Speaker 1: a shoe box with with loose pills floating around it. 918 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 1: It just gobbled them all down. So yeah, don't self medicate, folks. 919 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,439 Speaker 1: Producer Mike Clink tells an amazing story. Delf would show 920 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,359 Speaker 1: up at the door one afternoon what we were doing 921 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,239 Speaker 1: guitar dubs with his arm in a sling. I think 922 00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,640 Speaker 1: he might have had a black eye and he was limping. 923 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 1: When I asked what happened, he said, well, you know, 924 00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,040 Speaker 1: we were stair diving. As if that ex blanes it, folks. 925 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,440 Speaker 1: What stair diving is is when you try and jump, 926 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,920 Speaker 1: at least in the g in R world, is when 927 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: you try and jump from the top of the stairs 928 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,279 Speaker 1: at someone's apartment to the bottom landing without hitting a 929 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,920 Speaker 1: step in between. My favorite cousin Roses arm injury story 930 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,319 Speaker 1: of which there are many, involved Slash, who showed up 931 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: to and if you mixing candidates for this album with 932 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,480 Speaker 1: his arm in a cast and apparently he broken it 933 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 1: by repeatedly hitting the floor to stop a record from skipping. 934 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,319 Speaker 1: Why didn't he simply get up to fix it, you 935 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,279 Speaker 1: might ask, because he was having sex at the time 936 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:40,239 Speaker 1: before hard enough to at least hairline fracture his arm 937 00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:47,880 Speaker 1: mid in flagrante but a jackass. Ron Schneider added that 938 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,400 Speaker 1: Slashes broken up with his girlfriend at the time and 939 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:54,080 Speaker 1: had two green garbage bag full of clothes and all 940 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,440 Speaker 1: of his other personal effects and was living in the 941 00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,919 Speaker 1: studio in whichever room wasn't being utilized. Mike Klink said 942 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 1: Izzy was also doing that, or maybe he just got 943 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,080 Speaker 1: both of them confused. Um, and apparently as Steven Adder 944 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,640 Speaker 1: threw a lot of tantrums over the drum sound, which 945 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:14,280 Speaker 1: drummers uh, and she was just throwing tossing furniture around. 946 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,880 Speaker 1: I mean he's got but but truly. The worst recording 947 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:23,320 Speaker 1: related anecdote for this album concerns the Closer Rocket Queen 948 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,000 Speaker 1: in Manhattan, where they were doing vocal dubs. Axel cajoled 949 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,279 Speaker 1: a stripper in the band's orbit named Adriana Smith, who 950 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: was then nineteen, into having sex with him while he 951 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,320 Speaker 1: was recording in the vocal booth, supposedly pausing it points 952 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,720 Speaker 1: to yell at her to make it real and stop faking. 953 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,960 Speaker 1: This supposedly took two hours that they were in this 954 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,960 Speaker 1: booth messing around and Acte was giving her direction. Uh. 955 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 1: She was the drummer's girlfriend at the time, she was 956 00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,080 Speaker 1: mad at him for cheating on her, and she wanted 957 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,759 Speaker 1: to get back at him. The engineer Vic da Leo, 958 00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 1: who's credited in the liner notes as just Vick the engineer, 959 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,400 Speaker 1: if I recall, correctly described the vocal booth as like 960 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:16,240 Speaker 1: a Ron Jeremy set in there. She called this process 961 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:23,000 Speaker 1: pretty mechanical, which I just love. Man. Hermones end up 962 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,719 Speaker 1: prominently in the final Well, yes, I don't know prominently. 963 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,600 Speaker 1: I never knew about this until his pointed out to me, 964 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,880 Speaker 1: But I pointed out, no, no, it's just like I 965 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 1: think I would hate to have that on my conscience. Predictably, 966 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,240 Speaker 1: when Adler find out about this, Smith said he freaked 967 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,640 Speaker 1: out and her resulting shame and guilt over the incident 968 00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,279 Speaker 1: sent her into an alcohol and drug abuse spiral, which 969 00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:49,919 Speaker 1: is very sad. But he has apparently mellowed on it Adler. Adler, Yes, 970 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,920 Speaker 1: he has a truly incredible quote in that book. I 971 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 1: love Adriana. She is amazing. She did what she did. 972 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,880 Speaker 1: It was cool. It didn't matter. We weren't married or anything. 973 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,680 Speaker 1: We were just quote and here that was the wind up, 974 00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:09,520 Speaker 1: and here's the pitch. We were naked skydivers from hell. 975 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but it's a truly 976 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,799 Speaker 1: incredible rock and roll quote. Baby, I wonder if when 977 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,240 Speaker 1: acts was having sex he makes all those dumb noises. 978 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:26,239 Speaker 1: Who do you know where you walk? Yeah? So I'm 979 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:32,600 Speaker 1: having sex with you? Yeah the chuckle? Baby? Ah. Well, 980 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,879 Speaker 1: I guess while we're on this topic. You know, there's 981 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,560 Speaker 1: so many topics out here that I really never have 982 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 1: a chance to delve into until very specific moments. This 983 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,399 Speaker 1: is one of them. I'd like to take a quick 984 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,479 Speaker 1: conversational detours. We do a lightning round on artists having 985 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,359 Speaker 1: sex in the studio as it happens. This is something 986 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,360 Speaker 1: I know a bit about, albeit not from firsthand experience. 987 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,560 Speaker 1: About ten years ago, when I was working at v 988 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,880 Speaker 1: H one, I wrote an article entitled sex in the 989 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,799 Speaker 1: Studio Ten artists who got down. I'll laying it down so, 990 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,480 Speaker 1: with your blessing, i'd like to pull some excerpts from 991 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,200 Speaker 1: that first. Jim Morrison on The Door's track Your Lost 992 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,920 Speaker 1: Little Girl. The Lizard King is known for being a 993 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 1: shouter on records, but he wanted to take a gentle 994 00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,200 Speaker 1: approach while recording this delicate track for The Door's sophomore 995 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:20,400 Speaker 1: album Strange Days in nineteen sixty seven. Uh, he idolized crooners. 996 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,480 Speaker 1: He loved Frank Sinatra. I think that was like one 997 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,680 Speaker 1: of his vocal heroes. You kind of hear that on 998 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,440 Speaker 1: the song touch Me when he does a I'm Gonna 999 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:31,879 Speaker 1: love you that whole part. Yeah, he really goes yea. 1000 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,160 Speaker 1: So he was trying to get this like soft close 1001 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,759 Speaker 1: mike approach for the song Your Lost Little Girl, which 1002 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 1: is a beautiful song, one of my favorites. Uh, my 1003 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:44,200 Speaker 1: love for the song is mired only slightly by this anecdote. 1004 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,080 Speaker 1: He wasn't able to get that soft, delicate vocal approach. 1005 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,560 Speaker 1: So um, his girlfriend Pamela Corson decided to try an 1006 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: unorthodox technique. According to keyboard player Raymond z Eric's autobiography 1007 00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,800 Speaker 1: Light My Fire, a truly fantastic book, she had the 1008 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,759 Speaker 1: it's dimmed and quietly padded into the studio and gave 1009 00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,799 Speaker 1: Jim oral sex in the middle of a take. And 1010 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,520 Speaker 1: I believe that's the one you hear on the record. 1011 00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,680 Speaker 1: Does Marvin Gay rubbing one out? Count? Uh yeah, we'll 1012 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,480 Speaker 1: count that. No, well, no, no, this is like on 1013 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,880 Speaker 1: the mic. We're going for on the mike okay, not 1014 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,480 Speaker 1: pre al right, continue Biggie smalls on respect. Uh, there's 1015 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,320 Speaker 1: a skit at the end of the song from Ready 1016 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,520 Speaker 1: to Die that features I'm sorry what I can only 1017 00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,239 Speaker 1: describe as a distinctive slurpy sound that has grossed out 1018 00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,520 Speaker 1: rap fans for decades. Many have debated whether or not 1019 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:39,479 Speaker 1: it was, you know, authentic or not, and it wasn't 1020 00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,920 Speaker 1: until two thousand nine that Huffington Post journalist Barry Michael 1021 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,960 Speaker 1: Cooper had the chance to ask, did he who produced 1022 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,919 Speaker 1: the record, and settle this argument once and for all? Did? 1023 00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,760 Speaker 1: He said? Yeah, these are questions that nobody's ever asked, 1024 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,719 Speaker 1: but I think Big would be all right with it, 1025 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,600 Speaker 1: and he confirmed the long held rumor. Moving on to 1026 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,520 Speaker 1: My beloved Beach Boys. S. My beloved Beach Boys have 1027 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,720 Speaker 1: a sex on record anecdote, although considering they also recorded 1028 00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,680 Speaker 1: a song by Charles Manson, maybe the shouldn't be that 1029 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,120 Speaker 1: this has been one of the least surprising stories about 1030 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,279 Speaker 1: the Beach Boys. Uh, it's the song All I Wanna Do, 1031 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,520 Speaker 1: which is kind of a deep cut off of a 1032 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:21,360 Speaker 1: deep album nineteen. It's all gets back to drummer Dennis Wilson. 1033 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,760 Speaker 1: Anyone who knows anything about the Beach Boys could probably 1034 00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:25,440 Speaker 1: guess it he was involved with this. He was the 1035 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,240 Speaker 1: true heart of America's band, the only member of the 1036 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,240 Speaker 1: group who actually surfed. His daredevil spirit was matched only 1037 00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,320 Speaker 1: by his intense sexual appetite, so it kind of makes 1038 00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:36,960 Speaker 1: sense that he'd be the one to try to sneak 1039 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,440 Speaker 1: a little smut onto the formally squeaky Clean groups records 1040 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,360 Speaker 1: the song All I Want to Do, if you crank 1041 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,000 Speaker 1: the volume at the fade out of this really raucous track, 1042 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:49,280 Speaker 1: you hear um distinctive noises and screams. I'll just leave 1043 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,400 Speaker 1: it at that. And I've known the song for years. 1044 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,080 Speaker 1: I was never really sure what that was supposed to 1045 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,160 Speaker 1: be at the end of the song. But according to 1046 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,400 Speaker 1: the band's day to day activity book that was published 1047 00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,160 Speaker 1: I think in a day to day diary, it's confirmed. 1048 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,200 Speaker 1: There's an entry for November twelfth that reads the group 1049 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,360 Speaker 1: worked on All I Wanna Do, in particular the song's tag. 1050 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,880 Speaker 1: For this, Dennis en lists the help of a female 1051 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,480 Speaker 1: friend who's recorded having sex with the drummer in the studio. 1052 00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,840 Speaker 1: This sound effect is layered O. It's like studio technical 1053 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,720 Speaker 1: jargon for this. The sound effect is layered onto the 1054 00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,480 Speaker 1: fade out of the song's final mix, and it's just 1055 00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,120 Speaker 1: about audible on the released version, and even the liner 1056 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,640 Speaker 1: notes for the album boast of an X rated surprise 1057 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,400 Speaker 1: at the end of the song. It wasn't a Fareman, 1058 00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:38,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't not Yeah. Let's move on to Prince and 1059 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:43,240 Speaker 1: Kim Bassenger on the Scandulous Suite EP. Back in the eighties, 1060 00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,000 Speaker 1: Prince harbored not so secret ambitions to be a star maker, 1061 00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,040 Speaker 1: supplying gooey pop songs to gorgeous ladies, and they didn't 1062 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,760 Speaker 1: always have to be singers. Case in point this unlikely 1063 00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,400 Speaker 1: collaboration with the film star Kim Passenger, whose rumored girlfriend 1064 00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,920 Speaker 1: at the time in The Purple One. By the way, 1065 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:02,960 Speaker 1: I'm reading what I wrote like ten years ago, so 1066 00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,040 Speaker 1: this was would have been written in a more respectful 1067 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,880 Speaker 1: tone maybe if this was post Princess death. The Purple 1068 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,240 Speaker 1: One recorded an EP entitled The Scandalous Suite, which was 1069 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,640 Speaker 1: a twenty minute expansion of his songs Scandalous from the 1070 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:20,680 Speaker 1: Batman film soundtrack. Kim's vocal contributions consisted primarily of moans, 1071 00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,120 Speaker 1: leading many to speculate that the pair were really partying 1072 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,520 Speaker 1: like it was the recording studio. According to studio lore, 1073 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,240 Speaker 1: Prince and Kim showed up to the studio one day 1074 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,880 Speaker 1: with a jar of honey and told everyone to get lost. 1075 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,200 Speaker 1: The pair were done for the day by the time 1076 00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,280 Speaker 1: tape engineers had returned, but the entire mixing board was 1077 00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:45,280 Speaker 1: smeared with honey, like Winnie the Poo was in there. 1078 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,320 Speaker 1: Early editions of the EP came with a collectible jar 1079 00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,280 Speaker 1: of honey, uh, leading many to assume that this was just, 1080 00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:58,240 Speaker 1: you know, to commemorate this sticky occasion. Um. But you know, 1081 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,960 Speaker 1: honey is really good for soothing throats of vocalists, so 1082 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:06,919 Speaker 1: maybe it was just a you know, vocal lubricant. I 1083 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,960 Speaker 1: didn't mean it that, I really UM, and we gotta 1084 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:15,440 Speaker 1: end with Serge Gainsburg. Serge, the Parisian pop maestro, wrote 1085 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:20,520 Speaker 1: the notoriously erotic song j tim one Umplu. The ultimate 1086 01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,560 Speaker 1: love song was what he wanted it to be, and 1087 01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:28,120 Speaker 1: he wrote it for his then girlfriend, Bridget Bardo. I 1088 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,040 Speaker 1: didn't really realize they were dating until researching this story. Uh. 1089 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,960 Speaker 1: The original recording took place in nineteen seven over a 1090 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,760 Speaker 1: two hour session in a Parisian studio where the pair 1091 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,800 Speaker 1: were jammed into a cramped glass vocal booth and the 1092 01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:46,880 Speaker 1: glass apparently literally got steamy. Um. Yeah, it was like 1093 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,800 Speaker 1: the same Titanic. Yeah. Um. Reports of this song hit 1094 01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,880 Speaker 1: the press before it was even released, and it was 1095 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:59,640 Speaker 1: described as audio verite, featuring groans, size and Bardo's cries 1096 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,960 Speaker 1: of play as you're giving the impression you're listening to 1097 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,720 Speaker 1: two people making love. The news made it all the 1098 01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,960 Speaker 1: way to Bardo's estranged husband. Of course, she was married 1099 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,439 Speaker 1: at the time, so this is one of the most 1100 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,440 Speaker 1: French stories we were discussed on the show. Um. She 1101 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,600 Speaker 1: was married to the German businessman Gunter Sachs at the time, 1102 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,880 Speaker 1: and he was a powerful guy. He furiously demanded that 1103 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,640 Speaker 1: the single be withdrawn, and Gainsburg relented after a very 1104 01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:28,040 Speaker 1: emotional letter from Bridgitte, Bardou, herself and Gainsburg. He was heartbroken. 1105 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,680 Speaker 1: He said, this music is very pure. For the first 1106 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,680 Speaker 1: time in my life, I wrote a love song and 1107 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,720 Speaker 1: it's taken badly. He's devastated. But he recorded the song 1108 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,720 Speaker 1: two years later in nineteen sixty nine with another girlfriend, 1109 01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,919 Speaker 1: the English actress Jane Burkin, and it was released too 1110 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,520 Speaker 1: much shock, outrage and success all around the world, where 1111 01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,040 Speaker 1: it was banned in many countries as well. I think 1112 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:50,960 Speaker 1: probably the United States as well, but I think it 1113 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,800 Speaker 1: went to number one the UK anyway. And then later 1114 01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,320 Speaker 1: he tried to pull the same trick with in Houston 1115 01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:01,240 Speaker 1: live on television. Yeah, and he also recorded a song 1116 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,400 Speaker 1: with his fourteen year old Dollar Charlotte Gainsburg called I 1117 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:12,160 Speaker 1: Believe Lemon incest right God Anyway. Paradise City was, according 1118 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,160 Speaker 1: to Slash, written the back of a rental van on 1119 01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,520 Speaker 1: the way back from San Francisco, and he and Rose 1120 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,320 Speaker 1: worked together on the chorus polite euphemism. Rose sank, take 1121 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,400 Speaker 1: me down to the Paradise City, and Slash responded, where 1122 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,000 Speaker 1: the grass is green and the girls are pretty. Rose 1123 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,959 Speaker 1: sang the first line again and Slash responded, this time 1124 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:34,520 Speaker 1: with where the girls are fat and they've got big titties. Uh. 1125 01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,120 Speaker 1: And he lobbied to keep that line in the song. Thankfully, 1126 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:43,160 Speaker 1: the rest of the band out voted him. Gosh uh. 1127 01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,920 Speaker 1: An old friend of Axel's named Jake Queery called the 1128 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,360 Speaker 1: new in Indiapolis radio station I think at the height 1129 01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 1: of the band's popularity, and he claimed that the line 1130 01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:52,360 Speaker 1: in the song the grass is Green and the Girls 1131 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,480 Speaker 1: Are Pretty is about when Axel and his his family 1132 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:58,560 Speaker 1: would go down to Bloomington, Indiana. UM probably a rare 1133 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,400 Speaker 1: positive moment from a childhood So make of that with 1134 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,560 Speaker 1: you will as you meditate on that, We'll be right 1135 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:21,080 Speaker 1: back with more too much information. After these messages, before 1136 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,480 Speaker 1: Guns and Roses started recording Appetite, they did a one 1137 01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,760 Speaker 1: day demo session with the guitarists from the band Nazareth 1138 01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,960 Speaker 1: Manny Charlton at Sound City Studios in l A. And 1139 01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,880 Speaker 1: one of the songs that was recorded during this early 1140 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,880 Speaker 1: demo session was November Rain and according to Slashes memoir, 1141 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,840 Speaker 1: this early version was eighteen minutes long. I've also seen 1142 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,760 Speaker 1: accounts that says that it's up to twenty five minutes 1143 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,480 Speaker 1: that I believe that U Manny Charlton recorded this piano demo, 1144 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,479 Speaker 1: which he just said left him absolutely stunned, and he said, 1145 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,600 Speaker 1: you know that's going to be the centerpiece of your debut. 1146 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,560 Speaker 1: That's the one. What an incredible track, And Axel looked 1147 01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:58,200 Speaker 1: up from the piano and said, nope, that's for the 1148 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,960 Speaker 1: second album. Yeah. They didn't want to have quote two 1149 01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,320 Speaker 1: ballads on the record, and they considered the considered that 1150 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,160 Speaker 1: a ballot, didn't. Shannon hu And from Blind Melons sing 1151 01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,320 Speaker 1: back up on the user relutions, Yeah, he and or 1152 01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,640 Speaker 1: his sister and Axel war friends and from Indiana. They're 1153 01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:18,280 Speaker 1: both from Indiana, right, or maybe they just bonded over 1154 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,520 Speaker 1: being from Indiana once. No, they knew each other. He 1155 01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:26,080 Speaker 1: knew Shannon's older sister in Indiana. Wow, I even know that. Yeah. 1156 01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,400 Speaker 1: He claimed that this record was a lot of just 1157 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,320 Speaker 1: second or third takes because like that's where the energy 1158 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,400 Speaker 1: is man or whatever. But Clink has been also cited 1159 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,880 Speaker 1: as doing a lot of tape edits on this one, 1160 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,200 Speaker 1: with the old razor blade working like eight hour days 1161 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:46,760 Speaker 1: on this Jesus, the perfectionism on this album really doesn't 1162 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,200 Speaker 1: get discussed enough. I know we talked about them ripping 1163 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:54,400 Speaker 1: out toilets and routed whoppers, but Axel in particular had 1164 01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,480 Speaker 1: a perfectionist streak. I mean, you know, how long did 1165 01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,640 Speaker 1: Chinese democracy take fifteen years to make? So uh you 1166 01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,959 Speaker 1: get let's see the seeds of that here. I heard 1167 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,280 Speaker 1: that excellent system recording his vocals line by line, and 1168 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,920 Speaker 1: that's what ate up most of the album's fairly sizeable budget. Um. 1169 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,240 Speaker 1: I think Dusty Springfield used to do that too at 1170 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,960 Speaker 1: one point in your career, And so I guess while 1171 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,880 Speaker 1: Axel was doing this line by line thing, the rest 1172 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,920 Speaker 1: of the band would just, you know, they couldn't deal 1173 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,920 Speaker 1: with just being in the studio for that, so they 1174 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,040 Speaker 1: would just go and hang out at local bars, which 1175 01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure worked out great for everyone. Yeah, Clink, I 1176 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,360 Speaker 1: think talks about doing the scream at the end of 1177 01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jungle over the course of many, many takes. 1178 01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,600 Speaker 1: It's a great scream. It's up there with Won't get 1179 01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,000 Speaker 1: Fooled Again All Time Rock Rocks and like everything Robert 1180 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,920 Speaker 1: Plant recorded from mieteen sixty seven to sixty United. How 1181 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:49,320 Speaker 1: can you do that many screams in physiologically though not 1182 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,160 Speaker 1: even just like energy wise? I read somebody that Kendrick 1183 01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,920 Speaker 1: does like twenty takes of his verses just to like 1184 01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,640 Speaker 1: warm up his voice. I don't know, dude, It's insane. 1185 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:04,360 Speaker 1: Vocal chords are muscle, can work them out like anything else. 1186 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,400 Speaker 1: The total budget for this record was three hundred and 1187 01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:13,080 Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars, which is unheard of for a band's debut. 1188 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:18,000 Speaker 1: What were we at before we were at a hundred 1189 01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,240 Speaker 1: with all of with the pre recording expenses and do 1190 01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:27,480 Speaker 1: a quick, quick little math here, hundred ninety I think 1191 01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:32,600 Speaker 1: it was a hundred five hundred ninety five plus three 1192 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:37,520 Speaker 1: hundred seventy five hundred and sixty five thousand dollars before 1193 01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,360 Speaker 1: the record even comes out. And again that is just 1194 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,360 Speaker 1: what people have quoted as saying. This is not including 1195 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, whatever cash they were handed at the time. Whatever. 1196 01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:51,360 Speaker 1: We don't have the expense reports, so someone else's oh yeah, whatever. 1197 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's weird to me that this almost seems 1198 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,000 Speaker 1: low for me, considering it's the peak of the mid 1199 01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,760 Speaker 1: eighties record blow But UM, it's interesting. My Clink and 1200 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,200 Speaker 1: a number of others associated with the album have observed 1201 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,120 Speaker 1: that it's really one of the last records made in 1202 01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,080 Speaker 1: the manner of old school classic rock albums. It was 1203 01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,160 Speaker 1: mastered with vinyl in mind, edited with the razor blade 1204 01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,520 Speaker 1: and two inch tape, and mixed on a non automated 1205 01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,080 Speaker 1: board with a bunch of hands moving the faders frantically. 1206 01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:21,160 Speaker 1: UM and assistant mixing engineer Victor Digilio, who you mentioned earlier. 1207 01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:27,480 Speaker 1: For the UM you mentioned earlier, Let's leave it at that. Uh, 1208 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,840 Speaker 1: it could be seen as the last great rock record 1209 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:35,160 Speaker 1: made totally by hand. Yeah yeah, um, you seem to disagree. 1210 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:40,840 Speaker 1: I do. I mean, digital boards and digital stuff had 1211 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:45,920 Speaker 1: kind of been coming around, But I don't know, man, 1212 01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,960 Speaker 1: I mean, like Albini was doing stuff straight to tape 1213 01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,360 Speaker 1: at the time. Like I'm sure that Nirvana stuff was 1214 01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:55,160 Speaker 1: not done digitally. I'm sure Metallica, well what all I know? 1215 01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,800 Speaker 1: But you think it was mixed with like vinyl? Mind though, 1216 01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:03,000 Speaker 1: that's a good question. Yeah, yeah, maybe not. I don't know. 1217 01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,080 Speaker 1: It's an interesting point because c d s would have 1218 01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,800 Speaker 1: been coming in I don't know. Anyway. Cover art, the 1219 01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,000 Speaker 1: original painting for this that was supposed to be on 1220 01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,000 Speaker 1: the cover of this is gross and messed up and weird. 1221 01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:18,360 Speaker 1: It depicts a robotic use another word for it, rapist 1222 01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:22,679 Speaker 1: in the immediate aftermath of a rape, with the woman 1223 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:31,439 Speaker 1: on the ground next to it about to be punished caught, 1224 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,439 Speaker 1: I don't know, by an even larger robot that's like 1225 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:37,760 Speaker 1: flying this monster that's like flying over a fence. Anyway. 1226 01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:43,120 Speaker 1: That painting is based on a guy named Robert Williams. 1227 01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,240 Speaker 1: A painting by the same name, Appetite for Destruction. Um. 1228 01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:51,439 Speaker 1: Williams was one of these underground comic artists who produced 1229 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,360 Speaker 1: ZAP comics, which popular underground publication along with guys like 1230 01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,120 Speaker 1: Our Crumb and had having a moment at the time. 1231 01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:03,080 Speaker 1: He referenced in the Red Hot Chili Peppers song Mellows 1232 01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,719 Speaker 1: Ship Slinky in B Major one of my least favorite 1233 01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,280 Speaker 1: songs of all time. Um, I maybe hate that song 1234 01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,360 Speaker 1: more than American Pie. That's the song where it's basically 1235 01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,800 Speaker 1: key to just talking about being arrested by a lady 1236 01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,800 Speaker 1: cop and then having sex with her. Um. And uh, 1237 01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:23,840 Speaker 1: this guy williams Art and his car what they called 1238 01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,920 Speaker 1: a rat rod, which comes from the kind of the 1239 01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,840 Speaker 1: rat fink California car culture thing. A rat rod is 1240 01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,280 Speaker 1: like an old ratty, beat up thirties or forties kind 1241 01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,840 Speaker 1: of gelopi thing that was featured in the music video 1242 01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,080 Speaker 1: for the song who Was in My Room Last Night 1243 01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:43,639 Speaker 1: from the Butthole Surfers record, Independent Worm Saloon. The Butthole 1244 01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:49,519 Speaker 1: Surfers Ladies and Gentlemen, Independent worm Worm Saloon. They have 1245 01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,559 Speaker 1: some truly great album titles. Have you ever gone down 1246 01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,679 Speaker 1: the list? Did you ever read? I mean their name 1247 01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,000 Speaker 1: is Butthole Surfers. Sure, do you ever read our bank 1248 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,000 Speaker 1: would be your life. There's a chapter and butthole surfers 1249 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,200 Speaker 1: on there. It is hilarious. Uh. They brought this art 1250 01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,720 Speaker 1: to the label, explaining, according to Geffen president Eddie Rosenblatt, 1251 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:10,240 Speaker 1: that they saw the artwork as a symbolic social statement, 1252 01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:14,519 Speaker 1: with the robot representing the industrial system that's raping and 1253 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:19,280 Speaker 1: polluting our environment. I don't believe that for a second. 1254 01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:22,680 Speaker 1: You're telling me that an otherwise a political band of 1255 01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:28,600 Speaker 1: dirt bags decided to make a conservation message that is 1256 01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:35,599 Speaker 1: unmitigated record label Horse. I heard another explanation from Tom's Utoe. 1257 01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,400 Speaker 1: You gave an interview with the l A Times where 1258 01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,759 Speaker 1: he said, Axel showed me a card but the Williams 1259 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,080 Speaker 1: painting and said, you realize this is the future. Then 1260 01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,479 Speaker 1: he pointed to the woman, this is the victim. This 1261 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,519 Speaker 1: is the media above them is the monster that the 1262 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,519 Speaker 1: media creates. And he predicted in that we are going 1263 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,639 Speaker 1: to live This is Tom Zute still speaking. Axel predicted 1264 01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,280 Speaker 1: we were going to live in a world of fake 1265 01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:01,479 Speaker 1: news where we feed on t magity. It depicted human 1266 01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,520 Speaker 1: nature and the ugly need we have for an appetite 1267 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,760 Speaker 1: for destruction. Yeah. I don't know if I believe this either. 1268 01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,879 Speaker 1: Zuto is so fascinating to me. You mentioned he signed 1269 01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:15,679 Speaker 1: Molly Crue. I mean, this guy has spent his entire 1270 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,920 Speaker 1: life advocating for this band, who I do not think 1271 01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:26,040 Speaker 1: speak to him anymore. Um, well, would you like to gingerly? Yeah, 1272 01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:28,640 Speaker 1: if I can talk around this. I when I was 1273 01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,759 Speaker 1: at page six, I was I wanted So this story 1274 01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,640 Speaker 1: came up h three years ago at this point that 1275 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,479 Speaker 1: G and R had banned like the president of their 1276 01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:42,480 Speaker 1: fan club from their shows because he was trading in bootlegs. 1277 01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,800 Speaker 1: And I was doing a story about it, and it's 1278 01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,400 Speaker 1: sprawled out of my control because I interviewed this guy 1279 01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,800 Speaker 1: and he told me this story about um driving from 1280 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,439 Speaker 1: like where he lived in I think Louisiana to like 1281 01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:59,200 Speaker 1: Virginia because someone had on the message boards found that 1282 01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,759 Speaker 1: there was old add At tape in a storage locker, 1283 01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,840 Speaker 1: and so he like gathered all the cash he could 1284 01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:10,040 Speaker 1: scrounge and drove to Virginia to buy this tape. The 1285 01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:14,160 Speaker 1: bootleg recording of G and R fans. The way that 1286 01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:17,960 Speaker 1: these guys trade these demos and bootlegs is really insane 1287 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,320 Speaker 1: and it sounds like dead level. It's not I I 1288 01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:25,439 Speaker 1: really it is maybe the most fandom to the least 1289 01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,600 Speaker 1: recorded output that I can imagine. Like there's like what 1290 01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,600 Speaker 1: one and a half good Guns and Roses records, It's Appetite, 1291 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,760 Speaker 1: and then parts of the next three that they did. 1292 01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,960 Speaker 1: But there are people who still this is like, oh, 1293 01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,439 Speaker 1: that's my favorite band of all time. I will I 1294 01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,680 Speaker 1: will take food out of my child's mouth to buy 1295 01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,840 Speaker 1: their demo tapes. I think what I found out was 1296 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,040 Speaker 1: that this was an old storage space of zutos. And 1297 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,040 Speaker 1: then I got him on the phone somehow, and he 1298 01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:57,639 Speaker 1: was talking about tape trading and like all the lengths 1299 01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,480 Speaker 1: that these guys go to, and I think they silenced 1300 01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,160 Speaker 1: him because he was talking about all of them, like 1301 01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:06,640 Speaker 1: or I mean I got him on the phone, he 1302 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:11,639 Speaker 1: took him out. So what I read was that at 1303 01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,479 Speaker 1: some point Guns and Roses get their axel because the 1304 01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,360 Speaker 1: band dissolves in the mid nineties and it just becomes 1305 01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,840 Speaker 1: the Axl Rose show. When he's making Chinese Democracy, which 1306 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,559 Speaker 1: is this album that took you know, fifteen years to make, 1307 01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:29,599 Speaker 1: and was it worth it? Whatever, I've already made enough 1308 01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,920 Speaker 1: enemies with this and maybe making more with this story. Anyway, 1309 01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,639 Speaker 1: what I was able to piece together is that at 1310 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,439 Speaker 1: some point in the nineties Axel came under the sway 1311 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:42,000 Speaker 1: of this Venezuelan gentleman, and if the rumors are to 1312 01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,320 Speaker 1: be believed, this guy's mother who exerted all of this 1313 01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:49,160 Speaker 1: undue pressure and undue influence on him and were semi 1314 01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,599 Speaker 1: responsible for him sort of sucking up into his own 1315 01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:56,920 Speaker 1: head and firing everyone and becoming this megalomaniac. They are 1316 01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:04,280 Speaker 1: also extraordinarily litigious, at typified by banning the president of 1317 01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:08,000 Speaker 1: their fan club from all of their shows. So Zuto's 1318 01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:09,800 Speaker 1: I get him on the phone and he's telling me 1319 01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:14,839 Speaker 1: all these wild stories about like Axel punching out JFK Jr. 1320 01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:18,679 Speaker 1: Over a woman, like all this really wild, unverifiable stuff. 1321 01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,720 Speaker 1: And I was like, holy crap, dude, can I call 1322 01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,760 Speaker 1: you back about this when I'm in like in a 1323 01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,000 Speaker 1: room by myself recording instead of just like taking this 1324 01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,960 Speaker 1: at a crowded desk in an open office. And he 1325 01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:31,960 Speaker 1: was like sure, man, like blah blah blah, and then 1326 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,800 Speaker 1: he just ghosted me, and I think he went to 1327 01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,320 Speaker 1: run it by the lawyer, or the lawyer who I 1328 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,519 Speaker 1: had talked to previously called him and was like you 1329 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,600 Speaker 1: shut your damn mouth, Tom Zuto. It's wild Man the 1330 01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,559 Speaker 1: other thing that I remember from this time, and this 1331 01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,600 Speaker 1: is all on the record. This is in an Against Me. 1332 01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,200 Speaker 1: One of my favorite bands of all time have a 1333 01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:55,639 Speaker 1: record called Reinventing Axel Rose. They have a song called 1334 01:14:55,680 --> 01:15:00,000 Speaker 1: Reinventing Axel Rose, which is a screed against music industry, 1335 01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,559 Speaker 1: rock star excesses and call to arms for like d 1336 01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:07,800 Speaker 1: I y mentality. And in their one DVD, which is 1337 01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:12,080 Speaker 1: called We're Never Going Home, they are talking to a 1338 01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,240 Speaker 1: guy from the band alex Is on Fire or Alexis 1339 01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,000 Speaker 1: Is on Fire. I never knew how to pronounce that. 1340 01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:21,200 Speaker 1: This guy tells. A secondhand anecdote from someone who knew 1341 01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,200 Speaker 1: Axel said actual had gotten a copy of the Against 1342 01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:27,240 Speaker 1: Me record and was so incensed by it that he 1343 01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,760 Speaker 1: began making voodoo dolls of the members of Against Me 1344 01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,920 Speaker 1: and like sticking them in pins and stuff. And his 1345 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:38,360 Speaker 1: interest in voodoo and santaya supposedly comes from this manager 1346 01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:42,160 Speaker 1: and his mom. So if either of us come down 1347 01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,599 Speaker 1: with mysterious physical maladies after this comes out, it's because 1348 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,919 Speaker 1: of Axel's interest in voodoo. That is my whole sidebar 1349 01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,920 Speaker 1: on my brief time researching the guns and Roses tape 1350 01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,760 Speaker 1: tripe tape trading community and the lengths to which the 1351 01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:03,080 Speaker 1: band will go to suppress that. Anyway, the label must 1352 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:04,439 Speaker 1: have known that this art was going to be an 1353 01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,519 Speaker 1: issue because they only printed up a hundred and thirty 1354 01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:10,000 Speaker 1: thousand copies of it with that art, which I don't 1355 01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:11,880 Speaker 1: know what they're going for on eBay. Let's take a 1356 01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,240 Speaker 1: quick quick sidebar. Yeah, that can be like the Beatles 1357 01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:17,240 Speaker 1: Butcher cover kind of thing. Yeah, the I just checked 1358 01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,160 Speaker 1: it on disc dogs a copy of Appetite on vinyl 1359 01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:24,439 Speaker 1: with the original art median price two hundred and thirty dollars, 1360 01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:29,559 Speaker 1: which is low highest five fifty was low to me anyway, 1361 01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:31,680 Speaker 1: It's not that old, and there's a couple in over 1362 01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:33,639 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand of them, so that yeah, I guess 1363 01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,840 Speaker 1: that's fair. Uh. Predictably, retailers refused to stock it, and 1364 01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,920 Speaker 1: so the label replaced it with a now iconic Celtic cross, 1365 01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,360 Speaker 1: which is a thin Lizzy reference. And uh all the 1366 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,719 Speaker 1: little cartoons of the band as skulls that was originally 1367 01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,360 Speaker 1: designed as a tattoo for Axel by an artist named 1368 01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:53,519 Speaker 1: Billy White. Uh, and that pencil sketch for that art 1369 01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,280 Speaker 1: was sold at a Grammy auction in two thousand nine for, 1370 01:16:56,280 --> 01:17:03,960 Speaker 1: according to one person, seems low U with all that mind. 1371 01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:07,439 Speaker 1: Is important to note here that Axel's initie idea for 1372 01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,400 Speaker 1: the album art was the shot of the Challenger space 1373 01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,880 Speaker 1: shuttle exploding that appeared on the cover of Time in 1374 01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:18,800 Speaker 1: February of six, and then Beyonce borrowed the sound of 1375 01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:22,439 Speaker 1: Michion Control announcing the Challenger explosion at the start of 1376 01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:27,800 Speaker 1: her song XO on her Surprise Visual album. Apparently not 1377 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,240 Speaker 1: the first person to sample that. I was just reading 1378 01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:32,840 Speaker 1: about that after you sbody that link. Still the first 1379 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:38,120 Speaker 1: person of her notorized, yeah, I did. We I was 1380 01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,120 Speaker 1: never sure what the meeting was behind that, or if 1381 01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:41,720 Speaker 1: she spoke out about that. I think she issued some 1382 01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:46,599 Speaker 1: kind of an apology, but yeah, um. Anyway, given its 1383 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,240 Speaker 1: stature at this point, it may surprise you to learn 1384 01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:51,639 Speaker 1: that Appetite didn't really light the world on fire when 1385 01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:55,719 Speaker 1: it was released in July, sold about two hundred thousand 1386 01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:58,720 Speaker 1: albums in six months, which is very respectable. But they 1387 01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,360 Speaker 1: just kind of thought it was like, Okay, there's your 1388 01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,800 Speaker 1: debut album out of the way. Let's you know, you 1389 01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,280 Speaker 1: did your tour, Geffen one of them off the road 1390 01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,680 Speaker 1: and just immediately working on the follow up, and the 1391 01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:11,800 Speaker 1: band's reputation had started to backfire on them. All these 1392 01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:15,559 Speaker 1: cable companies were putting pressure on MTV to tone down 1393 01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,000 Speaker 1: their programming or they were going to drop MTV from 1394 01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,960 Speaker 1: the lineup, and Guns and Roses were just too scary, 1395 01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:27,400 Speaker 1: and rightfully so, they were monsters. They Keptney from listening 1396 01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,600 Speaker 1: to their music for years because I was scared of 1397 01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,639 Speaker 1: them as a kid. Um and reviews were kind of mixed. 1398 01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:34,760 Speaker 1: They got a pan and metal hammer and they made 1399 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:38,160 Speaker 1: the record made twenty six and the Village Voice Pass 1400 01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,280 Speaker 1: and Jop poll from eight, which is one of the 1401 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,439 Speaker 1: most influential metrics at the time, is a poll of 1402 01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:48,639 Speaker 1: Voice did of all the top music critics in the country. Right, yeah, 1403 01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,240 Speaker 1: was that a christ Gal thing? I think so? Yeah. 1404 01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:54,879 Speaker 1: Uh So, Zuto goes to David Geffen and pressure's Geffen 1405 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,320 Speaker 1: in turn to pressure Tom Freston, one of the creators 1406 01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,880 Speaker 1: of MTV. The band manager at the time as a 1407 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,240 Speaker 1: guy named Alan Niven, and he helped. Uh. He said, 1408 01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,960 Speaker 1: there was an incredibly gorgeous girl who worked with us, 1409 01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,000 Speaker 1: and she promised she would dance naked on Freston's desk 1410 01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,599 Speaker 1: if they would play the video for Welcome to the Jungle. 1411 01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,800 Speaker 1: God these people, I know. The point is that they 1412 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,880 Speaker 1: had shot the video and submitted it to MTV, and 1413 01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:21,519 Speaker 1: MTV was flatly like, no, we will not do this. 1414 01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,160 Speaker 1: So Geffen and his wheel and deal and manages to 1415 01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:27,200 Speaker 1: eke out the concession that they would play the video 1416 01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:32,400 Speaker 1: once on a Sunday at two am Eastern five AM Pacific. 1417 01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:38,280 Speaker 1: And Zucho understandably is like, what that's it? And Kevin said, look, 1418 01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,760 Speaker 1: don't be a schmuck. We could have gotten nothing out 1419 01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,840 Speaker 1: of that. I'm kind of surprised Keevin couldn't, you know, 1420 01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,040 Speaker 1: step on the throats of these MTV executives a little 1421 01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:48,840 Speaker 1: more at that time. I guess it just goes to 1422 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:53,000 Speaker 1: show the power of MTV And nineteen eight. You know 1423 01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,840 Speaker 1: who directed the video for Welcome to the Jungle. Who's that? 1424 01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,280 Speaker 1: Nigel Dick, the guy who did Britney Spears. I hit 1425 01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,599 Speaker 1: me baby one more time. Oops, I did it again, 1426 01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,920 Speaker 1: as well as Drops of Jupiter by train and it's 1427 01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:08,160 Speaker 1: all coming back to me now by Selene Dion. Do 1428 01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,160 Speaker 1: they and do they know it's Christmas. Yes, that's right. 1429 01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:14,080 Speaker 1: The band aid song. That is the common thread the 1430 01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:20,200 Speaker 1: videos for all of them. Wow, he did Deaf Leopards. Yeah, 1431 01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,960 Speaker 1: but he was a rock yeah. Wow, that's I was 1432 01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:24,680 Speaker 1: going to say he was a rock guy, but he 1433 01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,360 Speaker 1: was not. He did he was everything? Yeah, Boom Down Rats, 1434 01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:32,760 Speaker 1: Madness Third Way a second wave SKA band. Madness. Did 1435 01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:36,320 Speaker 1: he do Our House One Better Day? I don't know that. 1436 01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:42,840 Speaker 1: Madness did Tears for Fears? Dr Doctor Hook? Doctor Hook 1437 01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:44,559 Speaker 1: were still banned in the eighties. Wasn't that the band 1438 01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:45,720 Speaker 1: that did? I want to be on the cover of 1439 01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:52,519 Speaker 1: Rolling Stone? Yeah? Wow, all right, Radel Dick everyone uh. 1440 01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:56,479 Speaker 1: People saw this thing and the proverbial switchboards lit up 1441 01:20:56,520 --> 01:21:00,080 Speaker 1: with requests. Zuto said. They went from two thousand and 1442 01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:04,759 Speaker 1: sales to a million practically overnight. And then the sweet 1443 01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,880 Speaker 1: Shot of Mine video makes a teen idol out of Rose, 1444 01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,280 Speaker 1: which was arguably a bad idea for everyone involved, and 1445 01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:15,439 Speaker 1: we're off to the races. Appetite eventually becomes the seventh 1446 01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,599 Speaker 1: best selling album of all time in the US, as 1447 01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:22,439 Speaker 1: well as the best selling debut album ever, thirty million 1448 01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,400 Speaker 1: copies sold worldwide, one of the best selling records of 1449 01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:29,040 Speaker 1: all time, a tremendous quote from drummer Steven Adler. We 1450 01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:36,720 Speaker 1: became everything we dreamed about, but cooler. Just a tremendous 1451 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:40,720 Speaker 1: quote that he says, except for Aerosmith. I thought Aerosmith 1452 01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,679 Speaker 1: was cooler. I love how much of these people who 1453 01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:48,400 Speaker 1: seem to hate most things love aeros love Aerosmith. I 1454 01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,679 Speaker 1: just love. We became everything we dreamed about but cooler. 1455 01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,720 Speaker 1: And they opened for Aerosmith on a post appetite tour, 1456 01:21:56,840 --> 01:22:00,200 Speaker 1: which is hilarious because Tim Collins, Aerosmiths then managers said 1457 01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:02,960 Speaker 1: by the end of the tour, Guns and Roses were huge. 1458 01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:07,080 Speaker 1: They basically exploded. We were all pissed that Rolling Stone 1459 01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,519 Speaker 1: showed up to do a story on Aerosmith, but Guns 1460 01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:15,599 Speaker 1: and Roses ended up on the cover instead. I guess 1461 01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,000 Speaker 1: at the final show of that tour, Aerosmith road crew 1462 01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,719 Speaker 1: dressed in guerrilla costumes and messed her out on stage 1463 01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,200 Speaker 1: when Guns and Roses did Welcome to the Jungle, which 1464 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:27,240 Speaker 1: is medium funny. Yeah, but yeah, as much as I'm 1465 01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:30,680 Speaker 1: not the world's biggest Aerosmith fan, uh, it sounds like 1466 01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:33,080 Speaker 1: they sort of took like a responsible older brother role 1467 01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,280 Speaker 1: on that tour. Aerosmiths set ground rules early on for 1468 01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,840 Speaker 1: this tour, no drugs in their presence because they had 1469 01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,719 Speaker 1: been the rehab and could also see guns and Roses 1470 01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,880 Speaker 1: heading down that same path. Uh, they didn't really preach 1471 01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,000 Speaker 1: to them because they knew that, you know, these people 1472 01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,400 Speaker 1: just had to learn from themselves and make their own mistakes. 1473 01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,559 Speaker 1: But Aerosmith did give them t shirts, you know, look 1474 01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:54,559 Speaker 1: like a tour T shirt, but instead of tour dates, 1475 01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,720 Speaker 1: it listed all the rehab centers they've been through. Um, 1476 01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:03,040 Speaker 1: which was there sort of not so silent comment. Yeah, 1477 01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:09,200 Speaker 1: I mean for me, hell is Steven Tyler and Axel 1478 01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:14,280 Speaker 1: Rose covering American Pie and Margarite phil Can you imagine 1479 01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:16,720 Speaker 1: those two? Now I've come around on Margarite Villa songs? Fine, 1480 01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:21,160 Speaker 1: can you imagine Steven Tyler and Axel Rose in the 1481 01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:29,120 Speaker 1: studio together the most annoying voices in the world. They 1482 01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:30,840 Speaker 1: must have due edit at some point on that tour 1483 01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,600 Speaker 1: or sometimes well you know who guested with G and R. 1484 01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:39,320 Speaker 1: At one point, Don Henley, Ladies and gentlemen, that what 1485 01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:43,400 Speaker 1: a what a trifecta of Don Henley of the Eagles 1486 01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:46,320 Speaker 1: played drums for the band during the n A M. 1487 01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,679 Speaker 1: A American Music Awards show well, Steven Adler was in rehab. 1488 01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,599 Speaker 1: This is because Axel had added vocals to Don Henley's 1489 01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,840 Speaker 1: night song I Will Not Go Quietly, which of course 1490 01:23:56,920 --> 01:24:00,200 Speaker 1: you wouldn't Don Henley never done anything quietly in your life. 1491 01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:03,960 Speaker 1: Henley was returning the favor, and this sadly was on Patients, 1492 01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,400 Speaker 1: which is their big acoustic ballad. So regrettably he didn't 1493 01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,320 Speaker 1: pick up the sticks for something like Welcome to the 1494 01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,120 Speaker 1: Jungle or Paradise City, which could have I would have 1495 01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:16,720 Speaker 1: had a begrudging respect for Don Henley had we done that. Anyway, 1496 01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,360 Speaker 1: we've danced around this for longer. That's finally, folks, thanks 1497 01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:22,920 Speaker 1: for hanging with us. We're finally getting to the real 1498 01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,200 Speaker 1: meat of the episode, which is the time when Gen 1499 01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:29,160 Speaker 1: r has co starred alongside Jim Carrey and Liam Neeson 1500 01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,600 Speaker 1: in the fifth and final Dirty Harry film, The Deadpool 1501 01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:37,800 Speaker 1: from Warner Brothers. Had decided to get some of this, uh, 1502 01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,720 Speaker 1: this wild heavy metal that the kids are listening to 1503 01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,960 Speaker 1: these days to the really a shot in the arm 1504 01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,400 Speaker 1: of the old Dirty Harry franchise, now on its fifth legs. 1505 01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:51,439 Speaker 1: I had no idea that there was more than two Yeah, 1506 01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:55,040 Speaker 1: and indeed, Jim Carrey plays a murdered rock star in 1507 01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,800 Speaker 1: his first dramatic role, and Liam Neeson role period I 1508 01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,040 Speaker 1: would imagine was before and Living Color. I think that's true. 1509 01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:06,840 Speaker 1: He was in Peggy sou Got Married there you go, wow, Okay, 1510 01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:11,960 Speaker 1: that was eighty five, all right, I stand corrected. Um, yeah, 1511 01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,680 Speaker 1: and so guns Versus plays a band in there and 1512 01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,840 Speaker 1: uh they Welcome to the Jungle. Was a sink in there? 1513 01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:20,720 Speaker 1: They play it and slash at an interview at a time, 1514 01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,120 Speaker 1: Eastwood came up to us on the set and the 1515 01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:27,000 Speaker 1: guys like nine ft tall. He's very intimidating. He walked 1516 01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,479 Speaker 1: up to us and said great album, shook our hands 1517 01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,000 Speaker 1: and walked off. I didn't really know what to think 1518 01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,880 Speaker 1: of it. Do we think that Clintices would actually listen 1519 01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:37,000 Speaker 1: to appitepe for Destruction? I mean he was tight with 1520 01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:39,559 Speaker 1: Dennis Hopper after Hang Them High, after doing Hanging High 1521 01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:43,439 Speaker 1: with him, So maybe maybe he had advanced taste in music. 1522 01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:45,360 Speaker 1: I just like the idea he plays and then he 1523 01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:51,479 Speaker 1: just goes squints off into the distance. Uh. The only 1524 01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:53,400 Speaker 1: scene in which the band appears together in the film 1525 01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,080 Speaker 1: is a funeral scene for Carrie's character and This was 1526 01:25:56,520 --> 01:26:00,200 Speaker 1: because of a very guns and roses reason at her 1527 01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,840 Speaker 1: again the quote machine. When we did this movie, The 1528 01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,400 Speaker 1: Deadpool with Clean Eastwood, the scene in the cemetery, there's 1529 01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:08,600 Speaker 1: five of us seen, he says, an interview, and then 1530 01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,080 Speaker 1: the next scene you see slashing Iszzy and Duff shooting 1531 01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:14,760 Speaker 1: a harpoon through a window of this boat, which is true. Well, 1532 01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,640 Speaker 1: the reason me and Axel weren't there was because I 1533 01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,160 Speaker 1: met some stripper that night and she put this brown 1534 01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,200 Speaker 1: powder in my beer, And next thing I know, I 1535 01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:26,160 Speaker 1: woke up in a hospital, charcoal coming out of every 1536 01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:29,839 Speaker 1: hole in my body, and Axel was holding my hand crying. 1537 01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:36,480 Speaker 1: Just what a like a painter with words, He sketches 1538 01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:43,240 Speaker 1: this Vindette losing charcoal from your orifice and a weeping 1539 01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:53,040 Speaker 1: Axel Rose like the Madonna and child anyway, carry Jim 1540 01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:56,720 Speaker 1: Carrey's sidebar and Jim Carrey's love for heavy music. This 1541 01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,439 Speaker 1: is such such a funny I diddle deep digging in 1542 01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,280 Speaker 1: this because I was, like, you know, were remembering Cannibal 1543 01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:05,200 Speaker 1: corpses in ace Ventura when he goes into he goes 1544 01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:07,920 Speaker 1: into the metal club. Yeah, so some people are like, oh, 1545 01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:09,519 Speaker 1: Jim Carrey is a big fan of heavy metal. Some 1546 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,479 Speaker 1: people aren't. Apparently Jim Carrey's son in law was in 1547 01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,920 Speaker 1: a metal band. But if you go back and do 1548 01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,400 Speaker 1: the look at these interviews, Jim Carrey is on our 1549 01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:24,160 Speaker 1: senio talking about Napalm Death, pioneering British death metal grindcore 1550 01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:27,960 Speaker 1: band Napalm Death um friend of the friend of the 1551 01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:31,599 Speaker 1: po Napalm Death. He's talked about Pantera before in an 1552 01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:36,040 Speaker 1: interview and he apparently having Cannibal Corps in ace Ventura 1553 01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:39,360 Speaker 1: was his He pushed for that and their drummer, who 1554 01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:43,519 Speaker 1: was a guy named Paul Mazerkowitz. I think told Noisy 1555 01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,160 Speaker 1: that Carry came up to them on the set of 1556 01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,479 Speaker 1: that movie and he just started rattling off Cannibal Corpse 1557 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:51,800 Speaker 1: lyrics and he was like, I want you to play 1558 01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:56,439 Speaker 1: the song Hammer Smashed Face, and then also recited the 1559 01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,840 Speaker 1: lyrics to Rancid Amputation, which was on the previous record. 1560 01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:05,360 Speaker 1: So Jim Carrey familiar with not one, but two Cannibal 1561 01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:08,479 Speaker 1: Corps albums, and Carry was in attendance at the G 1562 01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:12,679 Speaker 1: and R reunion in so Jim Carrey fan of metal. 1563 01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,320 Speaker 1: My favorite guns and Roses in cinema story is when 1564 01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,120 Speaker 1: producers for the two thousand one movie Black Hawk Down 1565 01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:21,800 Speaker 1: wanted to use Welcome to the Jungle in the soundtrack, but, 1566 01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:25,920 Speaker 1: according to slash Axel refused unless he could re record 1567 01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,360 Speaker 1: it with the current members of Guns and Roses so 1568 01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:30,600 Speaker 1: that the classic lineup who was no longer in the 1569 01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:34,479 Speaker 1: band would not get the royalties. I don't think it 1570 01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:38,679 Speaker 1: ended up happening. Yeah, he's a vindictive guy. Oh man, 1571 01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,240 Speaker 1: I gotta tell my bucketheads store. Well, it's not my 1572 01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,799 Speaker 1: buckethead surge. You ever here about Buckethead in the studio 1573 01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:52,040 Speaker 1: recording Chinese Democracy. No Buckethead ladies and gentlemen, the Incredibles 1574 01:28:52,080 --> 01:29:00,439 Speaker 1: first appearance. Um, yeah, so Buckethead is probably snown to 1575 01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:05,960 Speaker 1: Shredder wonks. He is a tremendously virtuosic guitarist. There's this 1576 01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,640 Speaker 1: amazing He grew up in l A. I think l 1577 01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:12,360 Speaker 1: I grew up in California, just a total like reclusive 1578 01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:15,200 Speaker 1: guitar shut in, and at some point he hit up 1579 01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:19,519 Speaker 1: on the idea of wearing this corrifying blank mask with 1580 01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:23,280 Speaker 1: a bucket of KFC chicken empty overturned on his head, 1581 01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:25,800 Speaker 1: hence the nickname Buckethead. And by all accounts he's this 1582 01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:28,920 Speaker 1: very sweet guy. He's a very he's a funny parlor 1583 01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:31,920 Speaker 1: interest for me. I've got YouTube a lot of videos. 1584 01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,840 Speaker 1: There's a video of him at like nineteen on the 1585 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:40,080 Speaker 1: back patio of someone's porch, just ripping through all this 1586 01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,920 Speaker 1: guitar stuff he does, I think in the course of 1587 01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:47,840 Speaker 1: five minutes. He plays obviously all this metal shredding, but 1588 01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:50,360 Speaker 1: then he does a two handed tapping version of the 1589 01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:55,719 Speaker 1: Halloween theme song. He plays incredibly moving composition just called 1590 01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,240 Speaker 1: I Love My Parents. Uh, and then he does a 1591 01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:02,200 Speaker 1: whole Chicken Pickens segment where he takes the distortion off 1592 01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,720 Speaker 1: and just plays this insanely fast Nashville country stuff. There 1593 01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,120 Speaker 1: are also videos that you can see of him where 1594 01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,280 Speaker 1: he just stops playing music at his concerts to pop 1595 01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:14,959 Speaker 1: and lock on stage with a set of nunchucks. Anyway, 1596 01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:20,479 Speaker 1: Buckethead was brought into the studio to help record guitar 1597 01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:26,120 Speaker 1: parts for Chinese Democracy, and apparently in the studio I'm 1598 01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:28,960 Speaker 1: just reading about these sessions, Shack came by. At one 1599 01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:33,559 Speaker 1: point Buckethead requested a chicken coop be built for him 1600 01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:37,760 Speaker 1: in the studio, and uh, here's Tom Zuto again talking 1601 01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,160 Speaker 1: to Classic Rock. In two thousand and eight. There's a 1602 01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:44,360 Speaker 1: chair in there, there's a rubber chicken hanging from the ceiling, 1603 01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:48,040 Speaker 1: and a bunch of body parts and apparently a lot 1604 01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,720 Speaker 1: of porn. Now when you say body parts, not real 1605 01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,960 Speaker 1: body parts, bucketheads, other things, more movies. He's like a 1606 01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,040 Speaker 1: big horn movie dork. So he would have all these 1607 01:30:57,120 --> 01:31:00,719 Speaker 1: like fake severed limbs and stuff hanging in the human 1608 01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:04,439 Speaker 1: sized chicken coope inside of a top of the line 1609 01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:08,800 Speaker 1: recording studio. Again, I can't stress that enough. And apparently 1610 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:12,800 Speaker 1: he was watching hardcore porn DVDs in the coupe. I 1611 01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:16,519 Speaker 1: guess he had a monitor or VCR, you know, laptop 1612 01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,840 Speaker 1: or something in there to get inspired. And Axel did 1613 01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:23,240 Speaker 1: not like this, and shades of his early very religious 1614 01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:25,920 Speaker 1: upbringing when his stepdad through the TV out type of 1615 01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,280 Speaker 1: not liking this perhaps or maybe just sus Maddie didn't 1616 01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:33,560 Speaker 1: think of it himself. Anyway, Axel choose buckethead out and 1617 01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:39,320 Speaker 1: buckethead leaves for days because he just thought he wanted 1618 01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:42,519 Speaker 1: to defend his right to watch porn in a chicken 1619 01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:48,879 Speaker 1: cool chicken coop. Anyway, buckethead ladies and gentlemen, uh outro 1620 01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,559 Speaker 1: I say, and this is where we end our journey 1621 01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:54,639 Speaker 1: with guns and roses. Yeah. I think I've been listening 1622 01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:57,120 Speaker 1: to these episodes, and I always end these by going, 1623 01:31:57,479 --> 01:31:59,800 Speaker 1: what more is there to say? Because we truly have 1624 01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,160 Speaker 1: over at every angle of this maybe except for the 1625 01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:06,200 Speaker 1: drum sounds, which, sorry, Stephen, your quote some more interesting 1626 01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:09,040 Speaker 1: than You're gated snare. Yeah, man, one of the best 1627 01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:11,439 Speaker 1: sound records of all time, one of the greatest dirt 1628 01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,680 Speaker 1: bag magnum opus is or whatever else I said in 1629 01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:20,439 Speaker 1: the intro, I got nothing else. Who folks, thank you 1630 01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:24,720 Speaker 1: for listening. This has been too much destruction, appetite for information, 1631 01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:29,240 Speaker 1: Axel drafting lawsuits against me as we speak. It's been 1632 01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:34,519 Speaker 1: nice knowing you. I'm Alex Hegel and I'm Jordan front Talk. 1633 01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,400 Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time if Axel doesn't stop us first. 1634 01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,080 Speaker 1: Too Much Information was a production of I Heart Radio. 1635 01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:48,559 Speaker 1: The show's executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan run Talk. 1636 01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,879 Speaker 1: The supervising producer is Mike John's. The show was researched, 1637 01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:55,120 Speaker 1: written and hosted by Jordan Runtalg and Alex Hegel, with 1638 01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:58,160 Speaker 1: original music by Seth Applebaum on the Ghost Funk Orchestra. 1639 01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:00,720 Speaker 1: If you like what you heard, Please subscribe and leave 1640 01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:03,280 Speaker 1: us a review. 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