1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, Welcome back to Killers amongst Us, 2 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: the production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. A beautiful young girl, 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: Jennifer Kessy, beautiful, outgoing, smart, the works until one day 4 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: Jennifer doesn't show up at work. What happened to Jennifer Kessy? 5 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Are their Killers amongst Us? On the morning of January 6 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: twenty fourth, two thousand and six, none of Jennifer Kessey's friends, family, 7 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: or coal workers could locate the twenty four year old 8 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: Orlando woman. Jennifer was very habitual and didn't you didn't 9 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: do things out of the ordinary. She left for work 10 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: between seven thirty and eight in the month. It was 11 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: like clock ban Jen was kind of like my human 12 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: alarmclock because she'd always well meal, text me in the 13 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: morning and just say hey, look have a great day. 14 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: She called them every day. They talked. She talked to 15 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: her mom, she talked to her brother, she talked to 16 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: her boyfriend. I never got a text from her phone 17 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: call from her. We had started the work day, but 18 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: after about a half an hour and then an hour 19 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: we started wondering, where's Jennifer. When they called her phone 20 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: and went directly to voice now, we waited another half 21 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: hour or so and placed a phone called say Jennifer's dad. 22 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: And when we had gotten a phone call that she 23 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: didn't show up for work, Joyce immediately called her son 24 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: Logan to try and you know, she was extremely emotionable, 25 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: letting an agens on answering. She gave me the whole rundown. 26 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: She didn't show up to works, not answering her phones. 27 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: I got confirmation from a family that indeed she'd never 28 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: showed up to work and she was missing. Welcome back everyone, 29 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: you are joining us here on killers amongst us at 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: our home. I heart you were just hearing our friend 31 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: Gretev and Sistern and the mysterious disappearance of Jennifer Kessy 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: with me Joe trial lawyer Ashley Wilcott, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville 33 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: State University, author Blood Beneath My Feet, Joseph Scott Morgan, 34 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalysts out of Beverly Hills, doctor Bethany Marshall, Ray Caputo, 35 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: lead news anchor Orlando's Morning News w DBO, and special 36 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: guest Drew and Joyce Kessie still looking for their gorgeous girl, 37 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: Jennifer Kessie Drew Joyce, it means so much to us 38 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: to hear what you have to say, because you have 39 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: lived through this since day one. I want to talk 40 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: about what it means all the new construction going on 41 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: around where Jennifer lived and around where her vehicle was found. 42 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: First to you, Drew Kessie, what about it? Well, we 43 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: knew Jennifer was moving into a complex, switching over from 44 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: apartments to condo, sort of a lot of construction going on, 45 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: redoing of each unit, but it was simply gorgeous to 46 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: us and something inviting, to be quite honest with you. 47 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: Didn't turn out that way, obviously, but what we thought 48 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: Jennifer was truly making a good move. When you look 49 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: back on things, and I think, I think, Nancy, people 50 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: have to understand and remember that. I mean, we're not 51 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: criminals as people and families, and we didn't have bad 52 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: things truely happened to us in our life every day 53 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: and what have you. So we didn't think right off 54 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: the bat about, oh, there's ten thousand construction workers around 55 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: and who are they? Are they legal? Are they staying here? 56 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 1: Do we have every single thing of security under wraps here? 57 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: It's I mean, now we look back at it, and 58 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: we would do that seeing playing normal and yeah, this 59 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: is a logical choice and it's going to be a 60 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: great place for Jennifer to live, even though the constructions 61 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: of a while. That's what I feel as a matter 62 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: of fact. Take a listen to this. We're standing at 63 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: Jennifer's condominium, which she purchased in November of two thousand 64 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: and five. If you look around, it's a beautiful place. 65 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: The condos are beautiful. There was so much construction going 66 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: on that there just wasn't a lot of people that 67 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: lived there. I know a couple of the workers that 68 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: were in the complex had made some cat calls at 69 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: her and you know, kind of put her out on ease. 70 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: It just made her feel uncomfortable having these strangers and 71 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: they were men, and you know, it was very apparent 72 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: that she lived there alone. But overall we thought everything 73 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: was just fine for Jennifer. In addition to her home, 74 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: she also had a new boyfriend, Englishman Rob Allen. We 75 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: had a lot in common that we were attracted to 76 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: each other. I lived in you know, full load of 77 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: ellas such, and she lived in Orlando. Obviously, distance is hard, 78 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:51,799 Speaker 1: so that was difficult for her but she was happy 79 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: in her relationship. Rob was an awesome guy, super nice, 80 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: give you the shirt off his back. One thing was 81 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: he's a little bit older at first, so I kind 82 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: of give a little bit of craft for that. He 83 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: just saw me as you know, this is a guy, 84 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 1: jen started Dayton that I don't really know much about. 85 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's foreign guy. Beautiful new condos. You're hearing 86 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: the mysterious disappearance of Jennifer Kessy to doctor Bethany Marshall, 87 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: psychoanalyst to the Stars at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. 88 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, There's something so alluring, so luring about a 89 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: brand new home, a brand new condo, nobody's ever lived 90 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: there before. You don't have to get rid of all 91 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: their germs, fresh paint, newcarpet, hardwood floors. I mean, that's 92 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: what everybody wants, right, that is what everybody wants. But 93 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: along with a brand new, beautiful condo comes construction. So 94 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 1: I have kind of a mixed image of this place. Obviously, 95 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: Jennifer the Kessi family can you know, illuminate us about 96 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: what this place actually look like. But I have this 97 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: mental image of hardwood floors, raised ceilings, a beautiful view, 98 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: a lovely place for young people, where there's this illusion 99 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: of security and safety. But I also have this other 100 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: image of construction, a lot of men hanging around, a 101 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: very transient community of people coming and going, people in 102 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 1: the construction community. So it is a mixed bag where 103 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure if all of the condo units 104 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: were inhabited yet, I mean, was every unit inhabited or 105 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: were there places where people could hide or secrete themselves. 106 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: So there was an illusion of safety, but there's also 107 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: this underbelly running through this entire picture or this scenario 108 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: or situation. Joining me. Ray Caputo, lead news anchor Orlando's 109 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: morning News w DBO, Ray Capputo. Were the condos full? 110 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: Were all of them inhabited? Were they still building constructing 111 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: more condos? Like you know, you see condos and it says, oh, 112 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: phase two, Phase three, phase four? Were there workers on 113 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: her property? Yes, absolutely, Nancy behalf of the condos were 114 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: built at the time, and they were still building some 115 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: so there were tons of construction workers around. Some of 116 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: them were undocumented. And not only that, but construction workers 117 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: were actually living in some of the unoccupied units just 118 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: because they were closer to work, So not only were 119 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: they there every day, some of them were actually there 120 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day, So there were a lot 121 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: of transient people. There are a lot of folks who 122 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: didn't have addresses there, and Jennifer was living amongst them. 123 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: As always, investigator's first question Jennifer's family and close friends 124 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: to see if any of them had a reason to 125 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: kidnap or harm her, or if they knew someone that did. Now. 126 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: Her ex boyfriend, according to reports, was recently upset and 127 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: wanted to get back together with Jennifer. He was questioned. 128 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: Her current boyfriend was also questioned. His alibi checked out, 129 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:59,119 Speaker 1: he was eliminated as a suspect. He lived at least 130 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: an hour away from her. To Joyce, Kessie, what can 131 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: you tell me about her ex boyfriend that wanted to 132 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: get back together? We excuse me. We have known the 133 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: family for over thirty years. So the boyfriend and Jennifer 134 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: dated for a couple of years during college, and when 135 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: Jennifer broke up with him, she broke up with him 136 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: because they just didn't have the same visions for their life, 137 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: their future life, and unfortunately the boyfriend took it badly 138 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: and had been trying to get back with Jen, and 139 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: she had taken a break from relationships then met Rob 140 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: and didn't want any part of that former relationship, and 141 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: that was something that the x Jess was having some 142 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: difficult be getting over well, as is so often the case, 143 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: and this is not a good thing. The first response 144 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: from law enforcement was a response that trivialized Jennifer's disappearance. Listen, 145 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: the first response of law enforcement was while she had 146 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: a fight with her boyfriend, she'll be back. Jennifer wasn't 147 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: an adult, and at that time she was allowed to 148 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: be missing. All they had to say was this happens 149 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: all the time. We'll have her back in forty eight hours. 150 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: And we were kind of taken back by that. Told 151 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 1: him we didn't like that. You don't know Jen, you 152 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: don't understand. This isn't normal. It was apparent, I think 153 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: in the early evening hours that due to Jennifer's very 154 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: strong family connections and the way her family interacted, that 155 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: we were dealing with something that was suspicious and that 156 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: she was in danger. That day, when it started to 157 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: get dark and they still hadn't heard from her, it 158 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: was like it just felt like crazy, just you know 159 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: what is happening and where is she? But quickly there 160 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: was a break in the case. Her car is here, 161 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: there will at least be DNA. Is she in the trunk? 162 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: I think it's apparents for a nightmare and you don't 163 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: know what you're gonna be. The first response of law 164 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: enforcement was while she had a fight with her boyfriend, 165 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: she'll be back. Jennifer wasn't adult, and at that time 166 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: she was allowed to be missing. All they had to 167 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: say was this happens all the time. We'll have her 168 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: back in forty eight hours. And we were kind of 169 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: taken back by that. Told him we didn't like that. 170 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: You don't know, Jen, you don't understand. This isn't normal. 171 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: It was apparent I think in the early evening hours 172 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: that due to Jennifer's very strong family connections and the 173 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: way her family interacted, that we were dealing with something 174 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: that was suspicious and that she was in danger. That day, 175 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: when it started to get dark and they still hadn't 176 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: heard from her, it was like it just felt like crazy, 177 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: just you know what is happening and where is she? 178 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: But quickly there was a break in the case. Her 179 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: car is here, there will at least be DNA. Is 180 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: she in the trunk? I think it's apparents were a nightmare. 181 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: You don't know what you're gonna find. That's right. The 182 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: car was found, as we already know. Her home was 183 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: undisturbed or close laying out on the bed, she had 184 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: taken a shower, or everything seemed to be in place 185 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: in the home. We all agree that nothing unusual happened 186 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: inside her condo. The crime scene moves to where her 187 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: car is found. Listen, I'm serving looking for video cameras 188 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: because video cameras were becoming more and more prevalent in society. 189 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: Two surveillance cameras at the complex revealed evidence that would 190 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: become critical to the case. What does a video show? 191 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: It shows someone pulling into a parking spot very visible, 192 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: and the guess parking spot by the pull that correctly 193 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: parked the car, sat in the car for thirty two 194 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: seconds blocked out. The video recorded the car arriving at 195 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: twelve new on Tuesday the twenty fourth, the day Jennifer disappeared. 196 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: And when we see it in the surveillance footage that 197 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: we have, you're basically watching the person walk around the 198 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: outside of the fencing of the pool area. That's the 199 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: fencing you see in that film footage. It's incredibly grainy 200 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: that shot of the Carban park could have been anybody. 201 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: But in fact, we do have video. You're hearing our 202 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: friend greta ancestor and speaking to Joyce Cassie, this is 203 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: Jennifer's mom. We have video taken outside Jennifer's condo, bad luck, 204 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: that the person walked past a post and a fence, 205 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: a break and run armed fence and you couldn't see 206 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: the face. And we also have video from the car 207 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: where you see a person get out of the car. 208 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: Very grainy, now, isn't it true? Joyce Cassie, This Jennifer's mom. 209 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: Nothing is stolen from the car. There's a brand new 210 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: DVD player in there. And police came up with one 211 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 1: latent print and one piece a very tiny fiber DNA. 212 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: Is that right, Joyce? That's correct. There was a latent 213 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: fingerprint that didn't match anybody. But what we have since 214 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: found out after obtaining the police records is it was 215 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: Jennifer's latent print, and there is a fiber in the 216 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: car that they haven't done anything really with. So the 217 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: only thing that we do have is a piece of fiber. 218 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Joyce, where was the print 219 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: found in the car? It's location could be significant. Where 220 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: was the print? Nancy? I don't know, Jue. Do you 221 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: know where the print was in the car? Yeah? I 222 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: believe it was on the dash, like the console. So 223 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: to say, Okay, So I'll tell you why I'm saying that, 224 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Because let's just say, if the print 225 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: was upside down, if it was at an uptuse angle, 226 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: that would tell me, for instance, that there have been 227 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: a struggle in the car. That's why I'm asking about 228 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: the location in the direction of the print. See where 229 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: I'm going, Joe Scott, Yeah, dude, Nancy. And if in 230 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: fact it is some type of struggle, for instance, it 231 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: may or interaction that anyone had a very dynamic event. 232 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: You might have these in odd positions, you know, these 233 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: latent prints that are left behind. One other thing that 234 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: people really need to consider here, if they'll just think 235 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: for a moment, all of the actions you have to 236 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: go through in order just to enter a car opening 237 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: the door. Some people grab the outer frame, some people 238 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: grab the frame of the car, some people grab the 239 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: steering wheel to literally leverage themselves into the car. So 240 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: not only might you leave latent prints on the surfaces, 241 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: you could very well leave touch DNA. And that's why 242 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful in regards to this case, if they picked 243 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: up something else that can be in the future, in 244 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: the very near future, maybe even the present. Now, they 245 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: could take the evidence they have, go over it again 246 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: and examine it very carefully for something that in the past. Well, yeah, 247 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: you're right about that, just scot because its got to 248 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: be evidence they already have because that car is gone now, Drew. 249 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: You know where the car is. You know the people 250 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: that have the car. But aren't they asking an arm 251 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: and a leg for the car. They weren't. At the beginning, 252 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: I had or people reach out to see exactly what 253 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: they would want for the car, and after they realized 254 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: whose care it was, it pretty much doubled. Not a 255 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: lot of money. I mean it went up to like 256 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: thirty five hundred dollars. But then we did research on 257 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: there was no GPS within the car. There was only 258 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: a black box, and we did the research if there's 259 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: any value within a black box to do what we 260 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: needed to do, and it came up as there's nothing 261 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: that would be able to be told to give us 262 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: information to move anything forward from a black box within 263 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: a car, and the car had no value to us. 264 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: I mean, we're paying a car. So you know the 265 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: car is still out there, it's still in the state. 266 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: We know where it is. But we still have well 267 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: Orlando police departments still have nine canisters of what they 268 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: actually processed and vacuum data that car, so you know 269 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: there is still viable evidence within the police department. We 270 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: are not privy to that, which seems so unfair. And 271 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to get to your lawsuit in just a moment, 272 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. If the car was properly processed in 273 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: other words, vacuumed, tell me what we could do now 274 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: with that evidence, if Orlando PDCs fit to do it, 275 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: if they'll just get off their ear end and do it. 276 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: If they processed this car correctly, and hopefully they did 277 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: back in time, that evidence could be taken now and reanalyzed, 278 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: say with the technology we have today as opposed to 279 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: the mid two thousands. This is the key though, and 280 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: we have to keep this in mind. This evidence, all 281 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: of it is very very fragile. So what is going 282 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: to be very important is how well have the Orlando 283 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: Police Department preserved that evidence in their evidence room? Is 284 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: it still viable? And that's you know, that's the big 285 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: question at this point, you know, when you consider kind 286 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: of how they've shut everything down in the face of 287 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: this investigation, and you know, the family is having to 288 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: do this all on their own. I just hope that 289 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: Orlando will have the good sense to come back to 290 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: this and revisit it with the technology that exists in 291 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: the present. Let me ask you a question, did Drew 292 00:17:55,560 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: Kessie what happened with the police? I mean, how did 293 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: this go so sideways? Do you have any idea if 294 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: they are test retesting the evidence with new DNA technique? No, 295 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: we don't, unfortunately, I guess you know two and a 296 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: half years ago now, it just got to the point 297 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 1: where we knew they weren't working on Jennifer's case and 298 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: we asked them to please make it a cold case 299 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: so we can get different resources and more money, to 300 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: be quite honest with you, and specialization of members. And 301 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: they said, no, no, no, open active, We're not doing anything. 302 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: And it probably got to the point for a year 303 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: we actually as a family were asking them formally and 304 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: writing please do this, please give us case files. We 305 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: don't want to go to court, but it's time and 306 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: they've refused us, and we just looked at them in 307 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: the ice that we're going to sue you and take 308 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: you to court for access to the files, and they said, 309 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: we'll do what you want, and they were very surprised 310 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: the day we did, but that was to us, if 311 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: you're going to sit there, then please step aside. We 312 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: personally care about our daughter, even if it's twelve years 313 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: later and now fourteen years later, which we're still in 314 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: court and we are not out of getting all the files, 315 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: and in fact they found files after they said they 316 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: gave us all the files recently and we're still working 317 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: on redactive files. So we're not out of court. Over 318 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: a year on a four month agreement. We're not out 319 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: of court yet. And the car was in process properly 320 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: because we do know of one instance where it looks 321 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: like there's a struggle on the hood of her car 322 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: and it was never processed. Explain to me about that, 323 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: Drew Cassey, and the bootprint as well. Well. We received 324 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: the files and within the files there's pictures of Jennifer's car, 325 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: and we had probably received four five pictures over the 326 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: years of Jennifer's car, but there's well over one hundred 327 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: and fifty pictures of Jennifer's car within the files, and 328 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: just looking through it one day when we first got them, 329 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: my investigative team as well as myself almost at the 330 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: same time, said, what's on the front of the car 331 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: that we've never seen before? And when you really look 332 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: at it, it looks like someone on the driver's front 333 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: side of the hood was slammed down chest first with 334 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: arms with almost like fingers dragging on the hood of 335 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: her car. And we're having a really hard time right now, 336 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: to be quite honest with you, verifying if that is 337 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: really what we're seeing. Most people have said, yeah, there 338 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: was a struggle. On top of that, we have it 339 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: within the file that the detectives asked the processors to 340 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: It seems as though something happened down the hood of 341 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: the car process that within the files. There is nothing 342 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: I've read, as well as our investigative team and legal 343 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: team that it was processed, so nothing was done with that, 344 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: and it's there blatantly in a picture now as well. 345 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: We have a what I consider a pretty clear bootprint 346 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: at the bottom of Jennifer's gas pedal in the rug 347 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: that is obviously not Jennifer's, and it would, in my 348 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: eye almost have to be the last person in that car, 349 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: who was driving that car. And you know, we're just 350 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: trying to work with that too. But again we're fourteen 351 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: years down the road and money got and we try 352 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: and raise what we can to move forward, but we're 353 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: we're in a hard place right now. Nancy, what do 354 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: you make of the video where the person is walking 355 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: and they are obscured by the gate place, Well, we 356 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: do know that that person is a perstitute. Drove Jennifer's car, 357 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: pulled into a visitor's parking space, actually backed up to 358 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: straighten out within the space, sat in it for thirty 359 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: two seconds, presumably wiping it down, got out, walked away, 360 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: never look back. And we know that there's other people 361 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: in that film. But you know, if someone just pulls 362 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: into a parking space in a condo complex and someone 363 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 1: gets out, mostly you don't pay attention to what have you. 364 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: But there are other people in that film, but we 365 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: have never been able to identify that person whatsoever. Period. 366 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: Justin Bush's Jennifer has disappeared. That person has disappeared. Also 367 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: to Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer or anchor court TV 368 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: at Ashley Wilcot dot com. Ashley, what can be done, 369 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: if anything, for the cassies to get the evidence and 370 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: have it tested. There are experts all over the country 371 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: that would for free test the evidence. Ashley. Oh. First 372 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: of all, I think they've done the right thing. Regrettably, 373 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: they have a file of lawsuits. That was the right 374 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: thing to do in my opinion. Get the judicial system 375 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: involved when law enforcement twelve fourteen years down the road 376 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 1: is refusing to give you any information to conduct your 377 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: own investigation. Second, I'm really hopeful, parful that the court 378 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: is going to say, listen, whether law enforcement wants to 379 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,399 Speaker 1: call it an active investigation or not. And I know 380 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: they're not doing anything, but that's how law enforcement protects 381 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: records right to a court. They say, well, it's an 382 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: active investigation, we cannot release details. So the court has 383 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: to be convinced they've done nothing on the case, it's 384 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: not active and it's in the public's interest for this 385 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: file to be released. I'm fearful that happens, not just 386 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: the file, but all the evidence, so that they can 387 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: then test it. They've got to continue that battle because 388 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: there's no legal reason I can think of that a 389 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: court could not choose to order the police to release 390 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: the evidence forward testing to the family to throw Joyce, 391 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: so that say the case. Now. The sad part to me, 392 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: Nancy is this should be investigated by police and the 393 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: way that the family's investigating. But obviously that's not happening, 394 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: so they need to continue to do that. The other 395 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: thing that I wonder, realizing it was fourteen years ago, 396 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: were there any traffic cameras, any surveillance videos. You know, 397 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: a lot of times the reason as a parent, you 398 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: want your to move into a new condominium is because 399 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: it has the most up to date security in place. 400 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: So I would also want to know is there any 401 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: video from any person, or any facility, or any traffic 402 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: cam that has more evidence of this far? You know? 403 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: To Joe Scott Morgan, I can't help but go back 404 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: over what Drew and Joyce Kessie are telling me about 405 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: the bootprint and a struggle they believe happened on the 406 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: hood of Jennifer's car. What can we do with that now? Well, 407 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: I'm thinking that if the photographs that were taken at 408 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: that time were of sufficient quality. And what I mean 409 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: by that that the lighting was accurate, that the technology 410 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: or that the technique that was used by the crime 411 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: scene photographer was sufficient. It may, it may could be 412 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: enhanced to a certain degree to give a let's see 413 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: a more solid picture of what's going on. Say, if 414 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: you can use alternative light sources for the photography, enhance 415 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: it to a certain degree to give you an idea 416 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: of what kind of activity. Now, wait a minute, slowdown, slowdown, 417 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: what do you mean put alternative light sources on the photo? Now? 418 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: I mean I know that that works at a real 419 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: crime scene. But we'll first of all explain to people 420 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: listening what you mean by alternative light source and how 421 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: would that work on a photo. Well, let me let 422 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: me kind of rephrase that the technology that is used 423 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: in order to enhance the photograph that already exists did 424 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: not exist back then, And a lot of this is 425 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: going to go to recapturing the image in real time. 426 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: If you will, using the technology they have, and that's 427 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: going to be enhanced lighting and highlighting on the photograph 428 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: that they have, you can raise images up that otherwise 429 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 1: would not have previously been visible, and we're talking about 430 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: this from a high tech, from a computer enhancement perspective, 431 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: as opposed to alternative light sources like ultra violet and 432 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: those sorts of things that we employed at the scene 433 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: at the time. Too. Ray Kaputo joining me Lee news 434 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: anchor Orlando's Morning News WDBO Ray, does the city or 435 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 1: Orlando and the surrounding area Metro Orlando. Do they remember 436 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: the Jennifer Kessey case? Is it out front and center? 437 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: Is it still discussed? Is it on anybody's mind? Nancy? 438 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: Fourteen years later, this is still probably the most important 439 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 1: missing person case in town. You know, no more than 440 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, was driving near my home 441 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: and I got to an intersection, was at a red light, 442 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: and I looked on the other side of the street, 443 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: in a large transformer box on the corner, there is 444 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,719 Speaker 1: a big picture of Jennifer. We still see her picture 445 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: up at grocery stores, bus stations, anywhere you go where 446 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: they would put pictures of missing people. Jennifer's the first one. 447 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: It's absolutely a case that's perplexed our talent, and people 448 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: still care about this because when you see Jennifer, you see, 449 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: you know, an everyday, young woman not doing anything wrong, 450 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: doing everything right in her life, and it scares people. 451 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: If this person is still out there, they can do 452 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: somebody else to doctor Bethany Marshall, psycholeist joining me out 453 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills, Doctor Bethany something rageous. Said Ray Kaputo 454 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: that when people see Jennifer's photo it makes them afraid. 455 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: Why because in the face of the unknown, we project 456 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: or imagine our worst possible fears. There are so many 457 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: unknowns in this case, Nancy. If a body was slammed 458 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: on the hood of that car, under what circumstances did 459 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: that take place? If there is a heel of a 460 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: boot that was not Jennifer Kessey's boot on the gas pedal, 461 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: whose boot was it? If she was living somewhere, and 462 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: you know there were construction workers, and the way the 463 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: condo was when her parents entered it that morning, you know, 464 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: there was a damp towel and clothing like she was 465 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: just leaving for work like any other day, and then poof, 466 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: she just disappears. There are so many unknown variables, and 467 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: the fact is the police are holding onto the files 468 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: to protect themselves and what they the police are perpetrating 469 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: on the community. Is a story where there's lack of sunshine, 470 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: there's lack of data, there's lack of knowledge about the 471 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: specificity of what happened. You know, it's rooted deep in 472 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: our evolutionary biological heritage that we are more afraid of 473 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: things that we don't know than things that we do know. 474 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: Meaning is something. Look, if somebody doesn't call you for 475 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: three days, like let's say Lucy went to school, you tech, 476 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: could you called, you couldn't get hold of her, You 477 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: would be much more frightened with the unknown than if 478 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: a teacher said, look, we're going to go on a 479 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: field trip and you won't hear from her for three hours. 480 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: That's known, So that I think that's what we're doing. 481 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: This whole show is dedicated to, is turning the unknown 482 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: into the known so people can be less afraid, and 483 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: so Jennifer Cassie's parents can be you know, put their 484 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: minds at rest and know the facts of what happened 485 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: to her. Take a listen to this police press conference. 486 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: We'll never stop looking for Jennifer. I was working the 487 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: night she went missing. I remember to talking to Drew 488 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: on the phone, and I remember hearing the voice of 489 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: a very concerned and upset father, and I'll never forget it. 490 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: Her parents, all those who love her deserve answers, and 491 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: we will continue to work hard to provide those answers. 492 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: You're hearing police as they address the case of Jennifer Cassie, 493 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: that mother, Joyce Kessie, that father j Kessie with us 494 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: right now, still searching for answers, Nancy Grace Killers amongst us. 495 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,