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Speaker 1: Now, the Shotguns Starting Golf is full of mathematics. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of setup work that we have to do

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Speaker 1: in order to make a tournament work. So I'm going

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Speaker 1: to demonstrate to you just exactly how we do a

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Speaker 2: Alright, alright, alright, dent do mates, Dart, your.

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Speaker 3: Greetings. Are welcome to a Monday edition of The Shotgun Start.

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Speaker 3: It is February first, Andy, how we doing.

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Speaker 2: Thanks are back to Norville Brendan, February first recording on

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Speaker 2: a first, I didn't give you your Brendan off the top,

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Speaker 2: but made of what the content gods just gave us

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Speaker 2: a January, late January snowstorm per se as most of

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Speaker 2: the country has been just blanketed in snow. I wouldn't know.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, seventy five of sundy every day where I am.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you're a soft little millennial. You fled your

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Speaker 3: natural habitat for warmer climbs because you couldn't hang. Hey,

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Speaker 3: you know now you're down in the swamp, and as

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Speaker 3: people saw on the Instagram live show today, you were.

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Speaker 3: You might have been in the swamp too long. You've

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Speaker 3: taken on this pro golf for mindset. You maybe filing

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Speaker 3: articles from pgatour dot com here this week, changing your

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Speaker 3: Twitter handle to the PGA tour Andy or something like that.

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Speaker 3: We'll see what's coming here in this recording. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if you're you've been corrupted, you've been in the

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Speaker 3: swamp what two weeks? And here you are.

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Speaker 2: But just because I'm not out for blood, and I

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Speaker 3: Not true, for God's sake, nuances. There's a difference between

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Speaker 3: blood lost than just opening your eyes to the to

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Speaker 3: the what's happening, what has happened and has done it,

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Speaker 3: and just listening to the testimony, the expert testimony of Alanto,

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Speaker 3: even for God's sakes, when you're going softer than Ian Baker,

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Speaker 3: we have a very matter of fact issue here, and

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Speaker 3: you've got you know, you're you and Andy Tackett over

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Speaker 3: there PG to where Andy just start. You know, you

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Speaker 3: better get into you better get into HQ before they

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Speaker 3: raise the drawbridge. You know tomorrow morning you don't want

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Speaker 3: the reads coming. You better get get into the fortress.

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Speaker 3: Go home to the fortress. Here No, it's good, no

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Speaker 2: Much you poke me, how much you know, the verbal

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Speaker 2: verbal hatred that I got. My sister who doesn't even

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Speaker 2: watch golf, tuned into the Instagram live and text me

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Speaker 2: after said, wow, you really got people riled up.

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Speaker 3: About you know, pretty good. No, the January snowstorm. I

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Speaker 3: will maintain what you're talking about with January. I've maintained

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Speaker 3: like Q one is a sneaky just absolutely loaded with

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Speaker 3: don't know if we just get fatigued by it and

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Speaker 3: It's just sort of there's a lot of stuff that

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Speaker 3: Q one. I maintained that that good stuff really happens

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Speaker 2: A warlord playing in the Bob Hope becoming an annual tradition.

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Speaker 3: Guys just led killing games, whole thing. Anyways, it was

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Speaker 3: an eventful weekend. I gotta be honest. I mean it

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Speaker 3: just full disclosure. I'm I'm like on my last legs here.

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Speaker 3: an absolute high Saturday night golf Twitter. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: one thing after another. There's new twists, new turns, there's

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Speaker 3: the Rory, the Rory kind of similarity coming in late Saturday.

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Speaker 3: been a long weekend. Snowstorm got my my, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think actual Patrick red wins. He wins by five

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Speaker 3: And embedded ball.

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Speaker 2: You know that. Will Knights this morning got suspended from Twitter.

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Speaker 3: No, poor Will, He's the nicest you ever been on earth.

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Speaker 2: He's gone to parlor. We should go to parlor and

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Speaker 3: See what happened, just normal straight golf takes in parlor.

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Speaker 2: Why does she run down everything that happened on Saturday?

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Speaker 3: Sunday we heard a lot about resiliency and what was

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Speaker 3: he result of reziliing from I don't even know if

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Speaker 3: you know have injuries to overcome? No, here's what happened

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Speaker 3: we're just talking about what reality, What in fact happened?

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Speaker 3: he was shouting at this volunteer who was thrown under

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Speaker 3: I rewatched Amanda Valleons interview right before this from Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Good lord, he just put it all in that volunteer.

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Speaker 2: Giving the facts.

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Speaker 3: We're mixing a little.

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Speaker 3: Mixing a little editorial here, mixing in a little editorial.

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Speaker 3: was Robbie Shelton, Will Gordon new guys. Right, some guys

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Speaker 3: maybe you know, not in a position to tell Patrick

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Speaker 3: which you know, he's just like, what's That's how you'd expect,

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Speaker 3: That's that's the only thing you could do. That's how

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Speaker 3: he led a more editorializing here. He led Fable into

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Speaker 3: What's going on? Yes, it goes where's the ball and

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Speaker 3: like as if Fable was supposed to know, like this

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Speaker 3: it bounced. Patrick Read later implicates himself, saying it could

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Speaker 3: ball cannot be embedded off a bounce. He says that

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Speaker 3: all the full fallout gets no penalty.

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Speaker 2: Is golf facts. But we'll talk about golf facts like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, well that's a separate circus on the side, all right.

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Speaker 2: So you give him the facts, so no penalty, he gets,

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Speaker 2: Internet blows up, all right, Yeah, you know, obviously the

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Speaker 2: track record with Patrick Reed is not good.

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Speaker 3: That's a that's a substantive point.

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Speaker 2: I know. I'm just I'm getting the facts.

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Speaker 3: Out, No, I know.

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Speaker 2: So I know track record with Patrick Reed is not good.

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Speaker 2: And and for all the people that commented, if this

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Speaker 2: that's true. But it's not any other player. It's Patrick Reed,

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Speaker 2: who had we all witness cheat at the Hero down

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Speaker 2: to the Bahamas. We have Cassas who has been on

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Speaker 2: the record saying he cheated.

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Speaker 3: Big weekend for Peter Costas. Paul Casey went in and

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Speaker 3: Patrick Reed sort of, you know, vindicating all the Costas

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Speaker 3: sort of past testimony. But go ahead, all right.

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Speaker 2: So it's just a situation where everybody's primed to jump

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Speaker 3: Don't know about that.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course everybody's watching Read like a hawk more.

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Speaker 3: But it was funky. The procedure was funky, all right.

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Speaker 3: It was weird how he calls.

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Speaker 2: The thing that I take most exception to is the

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Speaker 2: fact that he moved the ball. Yeah, that that's the

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Speaker 2: only thing that that I can say. I'm I am

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Speaker 2: not a Patrick Read fan. I am not somebody that's

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Speaker 2: This is the thing, your rules officials shouldn't have that

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Speaker 2: It'd be like asking the guy who murders somebody, hey,

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Speaker 3: hand under any circumstances except for lift cleaning place in

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Speaker 3: this entire situation. Now, does that mean I can outright

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Speaker 3: maybe I did. You could at the hero World Challenge. No,

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Speaker 3: The fact that he didn't know that it bounced, it

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Speaker 3: I'm not restating facts. I'm telling you why the context

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Speaker 2: So this is, you know, golf's always been this game

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Speaker 3: But who knows what that means. Yeah, that's just a well,

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Speaker 2: I don't think this is, like at least somebody within

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Speaker 3: He was on high ground. He didn't really give him opportunity.

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Speaker 2: why didn't he just take the drop like Rory did?

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Speaker 3: He definitely called more attention to himself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So like this is part of like where I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to like excuse Rory, but like I

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Speaker 3: I trust Rory's word that he looked at it and

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Speaker 3: this is embedded.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to excuse him, It just seems like

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Speaker 3: are like the counterpunching, like this is just Twitter bloodlust, right,

433
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 3: people out to go off on Patrick gree But like

434
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 3: like CBS did a whole segment YEA with Frank Nabolo,

435
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 3: Nick Faldo, even Baker Finch, Jim Nance opted Johnny, I'm sorry,

436
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: this isn't bloodlust like that. These are pretty down the middle,

437
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 3: like tempered folks that clearly have an issue with what

438
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 3: went on. There's there's other players that are talking about it.

439
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 3: Seems like Randall Chamblie was you know, who can you

440
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 3: know throw some bombs, but was talking and said, like

441
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 3: I've talked to several Hall of Fame players tonight. They're

442
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 3: like adamant that they've never seen that the way that

443
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 3: what just happened like that, that is very extraordinary. So

444
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 3: it's I kind of dismissed the counterpunching. This is just

445
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: a bunch of people on Twitter out for you know,

446
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: to be excessive. But it does give off this air of.

447
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 2: Like I think it's just time for the tour, don't.

448
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 2: The tour has to figure out what it wants to

449
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 2: be because you cannot have this this betting culture. And

450
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 2: we've talked a ton about this with the with the

451
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 2: illegal driver.

452
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: See machine mostly yeah about this two years ago. We've

453
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 3: been hitting hammering this, so you.

454
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 2: Know, you can't have this both ways here, like there

455
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: needs to be strict enforcement on performance enhancing drugs.

456
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: This was exactly where I was going down.

457
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: There needs to be strict UH regulations in terms of rules,

458
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: like there can't be a subset of players that is

459
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: that are going out of their way to use the

460
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: rules to their advantage all the time, and then have

461
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: players and in this case, Rory's kind of caught in

462
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 2: the crosshairs, but not so long ago. We remember him,

463
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: you know, we we covered it at the PGA saying

464
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: his lie he got was too good and he needed

465
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: a worst lie. He didn't feel comfortable with what happened.

466
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: So I think there needs to be some sort of

467
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: and it's not you know, you're always going to have

468
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: the people that are trying to take advantage of the rules,

469
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: but they can't take advantage of them to the extremes

470
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: that they're doing. You can't have Sung Kang taking a

471
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: drop one hundred yards ahead of where he should have,

472
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: and if especially when it's you know, Joel Damon seemingly

473
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: seems to be one of the easiest guys to get

474
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 2: along with on tour, Like if he's up in arms

475
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: and going nuts about it, you can't let the guy

476
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: drop it one hundred yards ahead. Patrick Reid cannot move

477
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: a golf ball and claim it was embedded, and you

478
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: have video that you could easily get to, Like, these

479
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: things can't happen when you're having millions of dollars gambled

480
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: on the sport of just regular people's money, Like you

481
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 2: need to have driver regulations. What millions of dollars are

482
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 2: a stake? People cheat? Look at what's going on on

483
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: Wall Street right now?

484
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does right now. The sport gives off an

485
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: air of just unregulated, not lawlessness, but really a lot,

486
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: a lot, a lot of loose ends, especially the PGA

487
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: tour side of things, not the sport maybe a whole

488
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: as a whole, But I've started to feel recently like

489
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: I've been had these internal battles like are we.

490
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: All right?

491
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: So the ped thing is like the pads is like

492
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: it's a you gotta it's a very very delicate area

493
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 3: to go into, right, Like you can't just start throwing

494
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: that out there. But I've started these internal battles like

495
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 3: are we going are we getting into tearor area with

496
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: some of these guys and you know who they might

497
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: be where it's like we're like majorly baseball reporters and

498
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: the like nineteen ninety eight in the locker room, like

499
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: where there's like a lot of like quotes implicating sort

500
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 3: of that there may be something going on, and so

501
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: like there's that, but we have no idea. We'll never know,

502
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 3: We'll have no we don't know if Justin Thomas was

503
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 3: suspended for it.

504
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: And this is this is important if you're a gambler.

505
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: I want to know why Justin Thomas isn't playing for

506
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: four weeks randomly, right, you know, why is he not

507
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: playing event that he plays every single year out of

508
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: the blue.

509
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: We have Kepka last year saying it goes on a

510
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: lot more than you might think when he was talking

511
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 3: about red building sand castles. We've we hear anecdotally about

512
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: things very very high ranked players doing some super super

513
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: sketchy shit when they don't think anyone's looking, you know,

514
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: to the point almost to the point of like kicking

515
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:56,239
Speaker 3: their ball egregiousness like so it just and then then

516
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: you have the very basic fact that equipment's not like

517
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: really being tested in any real way. And so I

518
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: thought it was sort of amusing that Xander came Adam Xander.

519
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: You know, I don't think I think Xander's driver being

520
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 3: over the limit is not nearly as bad as Patrick

521
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: Reid's kind of rules run in. I think maybe he did,

522
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not trying to excuse Xander, but you know,

523
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 3: maybe he thought it was close whatever it was, but

524
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 3: he certainly he certainly put it on a tee for

525
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: use Golf facts to come back because Xander being the

526
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: one to go Adam, because Xander has in fact had

527
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 3: a failed driver test on the record. Whether it shouldn't

528
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 3: have been leaked or it wasn't you know, it wasn't

529
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: really a failed test. I don't know. There was a

530
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: lot of pusture. This is the problem.

531
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, here's so golf. This is why the

532
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: PGA Tour completely misses the boat with their policies. They think, oh,

533
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: we can't have nobody wants to controversy. Here we are

534
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: a three day a week podcast, and instead of talking

535
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: about an unorthodox player for his generation having a putting

536
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: together a win that now you start to look at

537
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: his career and you're like, holy shit, Patrick Reed is

538
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: heading to the Hall of Fame. And instead of talking

539
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: about that, which I have a ton of notes about,

540
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: we're we're spending thirty five minutes talking about him cheating

541
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: or potentially cheating. The tours lacks regulations and you know,

542
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: not telling us when players are suspended and the implicating

543
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: the grander implications of that because they don't take care

544
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: of their house and it, you know, we have to

545
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: talk about it.

546
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: Just for the record. Xander, the talk amount of the

547
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: boys isn't great, I guess, but he's protected by the tour,

548
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: protected by the tour, and that's all that matters, I guess.

549
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: Lanto Griffin, Golf's the game of Alanta. Maybe a favorite

550
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: here for a while, Like, come on, I love it.

551
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: He's not necessarily the most decorated former FedEx number one,

552
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: but you know, you need to.

553
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: Be careful with what you're saying about a former FedEx

554
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: Cup number one.

555
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: Golf's a game of Sportsmanshift sportsmanship, and it's tough to

556
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: put us on the spot to call him out because

557
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: we weren't there. But at the end of the day,

558
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: I think ninety percent of the golfers out here it's

559
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 3: in question. If it's in question one way or the other,

560
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: they're going to go the other way, not taking a drop.

561
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: It didn't cross that type of deal, So it's tough

562
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: to see. It's sad, kind of pisses us off, but

563
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: it's the way it is. Hopefully something changes and come

564
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: to a conclusion. Two of the more vocal ones I

565
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 3: think a lot many more were vocal, sort of off

566
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: the record and behind the scenes. Any other reaction to this,

567
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: I think like from a broadcast perspective, can Tacket there's

568
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: a distinction. They're trying to build him up to be

569
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: Gene Sterotur and all that, but he's still an employee

570
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: of the PGA Tour, right the Sterotor, Mike Pereira, the

571
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 3: college football guys, they don't work for the ACC, they

572
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: don't work for the NFL anymore. When they're doing the

573
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: broadcast Ken tackets there as a PGA Tour official, he's

574
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: still collecting checks as far as I know from the

575
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: PGA Tour, So he's not going to call out, he's

576
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: not going to disagree, whereas like a Pereira or a

577
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: Stereotory's like I would have gone the other way. I

578
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 3: thought that was targeting or I thought that was interference,

579
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: Like you can't uphold this. It should like Tacket, there's

580
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: a distinction there. He's still a PGA Tour employee and

581
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: he's gonna probably be put in a position where he

582
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: always has to defend what defended the ruling made, and

583
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: those rulings, as are often the case, going to be

584
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 3: shade more beneficial towards the player. All right, what do

585
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 3: you want to talk about with Patrick Reed? Sounds like

586
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: you said you have a bunch of notes or do

587
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: you have anything else? Do you want to put a

588
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 3: bow on you?

589
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: Feel like I was amazed at the telecast going in

590
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: as hard. I think it was a really odd I mean,

591
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: it was an awful transition and from Golf Channel to

592
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: CBS today just because with the basketball inexcusable.

593
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: It's twenty twenty one.

594
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,479
Speaker 2: We had forty five minutes plus minutes before we saw

595
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: the leaders on TV and people like you have the

596
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: PGA Tour live feed going on on Golf Channel, but

597
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: you're watching two groups that aren't really.

598
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: In the mix. Yeah, it's just got And you know.

599
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: Patrick Reid and his presser, they asked, you know, what

600
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: was the most important shot? He said, the second shot

601
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: on six. That was a shot that nobody saw, the

602
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: most important shot of the tournament. Nobody saw. And that's

603
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 2: just inexcusable. I mean, like, you know what we missed, Uh,

604
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: we missed the hail Mary. We were stuck in commercial,

605
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: we were switching camera, Like, it's just inexcusable in twenty

606
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 2: twenty one for that to happen.

607
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: It can't. I'm not going to the app. I'm sorry,

608
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: Like that's just a it's a jumping through hoops. And

609
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 3: the fact that they don't do that on Golf Channel

610
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: now where they have in the past. The three o'clock

611
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 3: comes and you put CBS simulcast on the Golf Channel.

612
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: I know it goes act that they just treating the

613
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 2: golf fans like complete shit.

614
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: But this is the new rights deal and I know

615
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 3: we've shot about the coverage gap. This is nothing new.

616
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: But I was sitting there like kind of rubbing my temples,

617
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: like how does this happen? Is twenty twenty one, and

618
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 3: we're just not able to watch the actual broadcast for

619
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 3: almost thirty five minutes. It's just it doesn't the tour

620
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 3: wants to be out there front and center. And you

621
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 3: just said we missed the most important shot of the

622
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: day by the winner's own admission. By the way, projecting here,

623
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 3: you're talking about how you're surprised they were going hard.

624
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 3: I thought Golf Channel went pretty hard on it. I

625
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: thought CBS went very hard, or at least made it

626
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: the focal point all their coverage. I don't know that

627
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: they do that last year when the right steals weren't secured.

628
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: I think that's the security of a new right steal.

629
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 3: I'm projecting here, I'm not, you know, but it feels

630
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: like once the deals are locked up a little bit,

631
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 3: you can you can sort of wade into a little

632
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: you don't have to don't have to pretend it's a

633
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: fantasy land all the time. So what else anything else

634
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 3: from the coverage? I know you were worked up about the.

635
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's my main point. They went really hard,

636
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: but you know, like kicking off that in a in

637
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: a bunch tournament because you missed kind of like the

638
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: most exciting part of the tournament, you know, and I

639
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: think it was. It was important in a way. It was.

640
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: It was a really an interesting moment. We've never seen

641
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 2: anything like that from from a telecast crew.

642
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: I haven't when they went to the round table, yeah, Frank.

643
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: Where they all just you know, laid into the guy

644
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: like that just does not happen in golf. And uh,

645
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: it wasn't.

646
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 3: A bad It wasn't a good look for Tacket either,

647
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: after they went right from Tacket to they're all the non.

648
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: You know. The flip side of that was they did

649
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 2: it all face to face, and I thought, hey, you

650
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: could do all this while showing some golf shots, you

651
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: know which, especially when they all said it essentially the

652
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: same thing.

653
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it. I I kind of appreciate it.

654
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: I thought it was good. I actually thought it was good.

655
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: But right, it's a hard situation, like they all wanted

656
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: to speak their mind, they all wanted to unload the chamber.

657
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: I think that you could tell that everybody there takes

658
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 2: their job seriously, takes golf seriously. Everybody there was pissed off,

659
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: and I think that's just in general, golf fans are

660
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: just pissed off. Right now, Like if you're if you

661
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: like golf and your what you watch golf regularly, this

662
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: just has to aggravate you because and it's not this

663
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: isn't a Patrick Reid problem. It's the organization that allows

664
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: Patrick Reid to continue to be a problem.

665
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 3: Right. And baked into that are these guys that aren't

666
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 3: really supposed to talk about it, right, you can't. You

667
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 3: know the NBA they talk about this league. You know

668
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: where guys will take you call each other out on Twitter? Right,

669
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 3: I mean even Draymond Green last night just ripping into

670
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 3: this Rodney mcgrure, Rodney, Rodney McGruder for the Pistons, you

671
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 3: started some fight and just dropping f bombs Like what

672
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 3: the fuck is that? Like he doesn't like the players

673
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: on tour art like will get popped and fine for

674
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: like conduct unbecoming and things like that. We saw that

675
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 3: with Cameron Smith the President's Cup, if they taught the

676
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 3: tour has created this sort of shelter in all the

677
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: wrong ways.

678
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: I remember talking to Ogilvy after the JB. Holmes situation.

679
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: He talked about the pace of play, and I think

680
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 2: I think it was the Japan Tour, how it's exceptional

681
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 2: and I was like, how how is it exceptional? He goes, well,

682
00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: it's because there's a great pride in and players call

683
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 2: each other out and you don't want to be like

684
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: they they embarrass slow players and sure enough, like it

685
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 2: doesn't happen. And the fact that the the modus operandi

686
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: of the whole tour is that, hey, none of this

687
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: can be public, don't call anybody else out. We're all

688
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: friends like that, that makes their job more difficult. If

689
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 2: the players just spoke their mind and let it fly

690
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: and didn't have to worry about getting fined, they Patrick

691
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: Reed probably wouldn't be able to do everything that he does.

692
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: But it's like what Xander said, he's protected by the

693
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: tour and that's all that matters. That's a damning quote.

694
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: And by the way, it's Patrick Reed. I'm sorry, Like

695
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 3: he's not a rain maker. We can talk about how

696
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: his career is way more than Ricky for sure, and

697
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 3: people like that, but they are in fact not marketing him.

698
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: He's not on the face of like the you know

699
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 3: the players ads or the WGC or these guys are

700
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: good or whatever ads, like he's never been like it's

701
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: just an odd person because you know, he is going

702
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 3: to burn you again when you ride in. And I

703
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 3: believe Patrick, right, Jay Monahan, I believe Patrick. I'm with

704
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: the Sandcastle's issue, like he is going to burn you

705
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: again and put you right back in that position. It's

706
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: just it's not Tiger. It's not like somebody like it's

707
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,959
Speaker 3: a weird thing that they have to tell everyone else

708
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: to shut up. And I was shocked, shocked. The Prince

709
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: upon of Vidra, they PJ tour quick to put out

710
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: the video of Rory, quick to write an article, an

711
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 3: unbylined article about Rory and his drop, like, uh, the

712
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 3: Prince upon of Edra catching you know, some some tr

713
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 3: hitting friendly fire in this for the sake of protecting

714
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: Patrick Reed. I thought it. But yeah, it's just it's

715
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: it's Patrick Red, I mean, making it make him out

716
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: to be the villain, market him out to be the villain, right.

717
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 2: Just so, what are you?

718
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: Were you scared of? Just read? I don't understand.

719
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's confusing. And I the thing I think

720
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: is they they think that nobody will notice, and they

721
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: think that their way is the right way to go

722
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: about this, and and that's the the whole problem. I

723
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: think that there's just a it goes back to the clubhouse,

724
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: is just a symbol of the entire philosophy over there.

725
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: Uh not the clubhouse, the office building that we talked about, some.

726
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 3: Good details on that architectural expert.

727
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,479
Speaker 2: I look forward to those. Let's let you just put

728
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: a bow on read here with it with.

729
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: Just yeah, I don't think.

730
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: I don't think it's five shot lead against a very

731
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: great field or five shot win. It should go untalked

732
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 2: about a little bit.

733
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: Let's talk. We can talk about it at length. I

734
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,720
Speaker 3: don't care. We got all the time were.

735
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: Reeds wins, Tory Pines obviously great field. This week he

736
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: won the Masters. He's won two playoff events, two wgc's

737
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: a tournament of champions. The Bob Hope was an early win,

738
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 2: and the Greensboro was an early win, might be his first.

739
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: Greensboro was his first win over Speith in a playoffs,

740
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: so to be events in the nine. But everything else

741
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: is either WGC tournament champions or playoffs or you know, Tory,

742
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: which was really good field here right, So yeah, you know,

743
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: nine really good wins. And I just started to look

744
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: at Okay. I always like to think about age continuums

745
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: like a group of players. You know who's his his,

746
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 2: the guy's his peers on tour. So I did plus

747
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 2: or minus three years of Patrick Reed, and you got

748
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: a lot of really good players in here. But you

749
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: go Rory twenty six wins, four majors, Brooks fourteen wins

750
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: four majors, Speath fourteen wins, three majors, Justin Thomas fourteen wins,

751
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: one major, Jason Day fourteen wins, one major. And the

752
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: ages of those Rory's thirty one, Reid is thirty, Brooks

753
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: is thirty, Speak twenty seven, JT twenty seven, Day thirty three,

754
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 2: So then I put Reid right after that, which is

755
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: pretty good company. You know, all those guys are definite

756
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame.

757
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: Really good. Yeah, definite, there's no yeah players and PGA

758
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: and number one for a while.

759
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: Dominant stretch of golf. Okay, I think he has to be.

760
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 2: And then you go down next guy right right next

761
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 2: to which I think they're in, like the next bracket.

762
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: Bryson eight wins, one major, five runner ups. Just so

763
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: everybody knows, I did not count any Hero World Challenges

764
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: because we get to Ricky eight wins, players obviously sixteen

765
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: runner ups, which is crazy Hideki seven wins. I admitted

766
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: many Japan Tour wins from his his his count. I

767
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: kept the Dunlop Phoenix and the Japan Open.

768
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 3: I had the PGA Tour Andy over there, just a

769
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: minting world b.

770
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: Well I had to keep. I kept the National Open

771
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: and the Dunlop when I when I saw T five,

772
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: so they gave the more owgr points than wins. That's

773
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: where I cut the cut off, okay, and I cut

774
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: his hero win.

775
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, this is a good class that just to

776
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 3: give us.

777
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 2: So riser Hadden. Hadden's won seven times since twenty sixteen.

778
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: So we're at the where this group is the group,

779
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: right they they're I don't think we're going to have

780
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: any guys that come on to the radar at this

781
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: point and make this list, right, So this is pretty

782
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 2: much who the cream of the crop of this generation are,

783
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: right thirty three twenty seven. Yeah, you got Hatton with

784
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: seven wins all since twenty sixteen. That's a guy that's

785
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 2: rising quick. I think like him and Bryson are the

786
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 2: ones on the up and up, and you see guys

787
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: that are fading out like Jason Day might be the

788
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: oldest thirty three year old in the history of golf,

789
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: Tommy Fleetwood five wins at age in age thirty two

790
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 2: runner ups and majors can't Lay twenty eight three wins,

791
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 2: Burger twenty seven three wins. And that's like the only

792
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: guys that made it so so.

793
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 3: Of this entire group, who who would you say, one

794
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: or two guys do you think has the ability to

795
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 3: have the most longevity game.

796
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: So that that's the thing is like Reid has been

797
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: kind of chugging along, like you look at Brooks, Speith

798
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 2: are in Day. They kind of got theirs fast in

799
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: a period and we don't know. I'm not going to

800
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: count Brooks out. I'm not putting Brooks necessarily right now

801
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: in the same bucket as Day in speed. But their

802
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: best golf might be gone. We may never see that

803
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 2: golf again.

804
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: Stay in power. It really does feel like read he's

805
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 3: gonna be with us for fifteen years taking embedded ball relief.

806
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 3: I don't know, it just feels like somebody who can

807
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 3: win in a lot of different ways and a lot

808
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: of different places and against really really good fields. As

809
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: you were eliminate, you know, illustrating with some of those

810
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: events that he's won.

811
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 2: I was looking through some historical cops where he could

812
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 2: get to and one stuck out. Ben Crenshaw nineteen tour

813
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: wins and two majors.

814
00:46:54,360 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 3: Also not to mention he's a nut job mentally. And

815
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 3: I say that in a complimentary way, right, he is

816
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: someone that's I mean from a mindset when it comes

817
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 3: to winning and being motivated by whatever, maybe straw men

818
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 3: or what. He seems total like really unperturbed by even

819
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 3: the most you know, volcanic circumstances around him. It seems

820
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: like somebody who can do this for a long time,

821
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 3: no matter what personal or sort of personal situations you have.

822
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 3: You know, all these pros have right off the course

823
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 3: stuff that might blow up on him and it tanks

824
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 3: their career for a time or it you know, focus

825
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 3: goes away. Patrick Creed, I don't know, seems that I'm

826
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: not suggest he has Tiger levels of sort of focus,

827
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 3: And I don't know. Drive is not the word, but

828
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 3: I guess focus is more it. I mean this in

829
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: a complimentary way. He is kind of this. This is

830
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 3: psychotically locked in player, and no matter how the crazier

831
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: it is around him, and the more intense the scrutiny

832
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: is it seems to be it seems to make him better.

833
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: One other thing, you know, from that that Charidy episode

834
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: let us in that he lives a very expensive lifestyle.

835
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 2: So he's also kind of probably going to be motivated

836
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: to keep earning.

837
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: I guess he does. Yeah, I think he lives an

838
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 3: expensive lifestyle in one way and then pretty simple and

839
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 3: basic in some other ways. But you're right, You're right.

840
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: The well and there's no there's no we as we know,

841
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: there's no residual income, there's no advertiser coming in the door.

842
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: He's not getting he's definitely not getting paid off the

843
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: course like anybody else on that list. I just rattled off.

844
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 3: The team read agency is, yeah, he doesn't have the deals.

845
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: He's wearing the titleist hat. I wonderf they're gonna pay him.

846
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 3: As he has to explain himself on camera.

847
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 2: It'd be great if he went to Team Reid had.

848
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 3: You know, it'd have some sort of like overly patriotic motif.

849
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 3: Just yeah, you know, an eagle flying with the flag

850
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 3: and it's way its talons or something like that.

851
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: So the point of the point of this whole exercise,

852
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: and you hit on this a little bit, But there

853
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: are guys that are gonna go up and down, right,

854
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: I think, like if you were looking at guys that

855
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: are gonna go up in the immediate future of Bryson,

856
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: but we don't know how long that upward trajectory that

857
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 2: could be heading for one of those you know, short bursts,

858
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: and then there's gonna be guys that just are constant gainers.

859
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 2: And I think Reid might be in that bucket, Like

860
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: I think he'll track down Jason Day, you know, in

861
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: terms of winds. I I think, you know, Spieth. I

862
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: don't think he'll catch in majors, but he's gonna catch

863
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: him and wins and you you look, could that start

864
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: to think about it that way. The thing also that

865
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: I thought about a lot is like Hatton is a

866
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 2: guy to really watch why set I don't know. I

867
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: didn't do the math, but I don't know how many

868
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: guys have more wins since twenty sixteen than him. I

869
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 2: imagine Brooks is on that list, but j T maybe,

870
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: but since twenty sixteen, I don't know, he probably is

871
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 2: third third on this list and wins.

872
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 3: We got some great like hat and color from like

873
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 3: somebody who grew up playing with him in England and said,

874
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: you know, he is as knots as he looks like,

875
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 3: he gets as tempered. I don't have the specifics in

876
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: front of you that they got talked about how he

877
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: broke another players or a partner's clubs because he wasn't

878
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 3: happy with what the partner did, like threw his partners

879
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 3: clubs into a pond and broke them. It's just some

880
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 3: good stuff out there.

881
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 2: I say that seems whatever whatever Hatton does now is

882
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: a lot better than what he probably did when he

883
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: was fifteen.

884
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, right, right, So all this with the read

885
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 3: stuff gets back to sort of the point we had.

886
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 3: I had a Friday too, like he should be this champion,

887
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: this hero for the people because he's among the top

888
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: fifteen and among the set you just spoke about. Aside

889
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 3: from maybe speed, he's not doing the ball speed wars.

890
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 3: He's not this power player. He's this guy who's like,

891
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 3: how how is he under part to day? How did

892
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 3: he scramble like that?

893
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 2: You know, should be someone unbelievable.

894
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 3: She should be someone that we're champion all the time.

895
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 3: As this he's so different from everybody in the top

896
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: ten in the world. Besides maybe Web, and there's just

897
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 3: so much baggage.

898
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 2: Web is like an epically great iron player. Patrick Reid

899
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 2: is not. No, Yeah, he's not great iron player or

900
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 2: a great driver of the golf ball. And you look

901
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: at this list and everybody's gonna say, oh, Jordan Speed's

902
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: Jordan Speth. What got him on this list was epically

903
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: great iron play. He's the only guy on this list.

904
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: Sam's Ricky, really, and Ricky Ricky might be dead.

905
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: You know.

906
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: That is not a great iron player or a great

907
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 2: driver or extremely proficient at both. Maybe not great at either,

908
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 2: but extremely good at both.

909
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and here he is nine wins, a master's wgc's

910
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: he's not winning you know, the deer four times over.

911
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: It's crazy, it's it's I invoked Sev. I know that's

912
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 3: our European friends that will. I'm not suggesting Patrick Reed

913
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: approaches anything like Sevy, but there was an opportunity if

914
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 3: he didn't have so much of this nonsense and drama

915
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 3: around him and had I don't know, his charisma is nil,

916
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 3: but it's just it's so fun to watch him grind.

917
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 3: It's so fun to watch him grind out these rounds

918
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 3: and whip all these guys who are aces Tita Green,

919
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: and unfortunately we're sort of left with the nut of

920
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: the Patrick Greed's story being the I don't know the

921
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 3: circus like characters who are in his camp, and these

922
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 3: constant rules issues, and his sort of frosty personality and

923
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 3: clear delusional personality or delusional statements often around all of

924
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 3: these things. I just wish we could sort of we

925
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: can't separate the golf because we do. We praise it,

926
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 3: but you know, when we look at the sum of

927
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 3: the parts, it's it's very much overshadowed. Speaking of the

928
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 3: circus characters, do you have anything to say about the burner?

929
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 3: Account mean, I mean.

930
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable that happened, is it?

931
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 3: Is it unbelievable? I think it's perfectly believable.

932
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 2: Well, I'm unbelievable as the last time I checked it was.

933
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 2: But it's unbelievable that it happened the night everything was

934
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: blowing up and it didn't just happen some random knife like.

935
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable that the day it capped off in

936
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: like a ridiculous day, it was the cherry on top.

937
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 3: I mean, on a serious perspective, we just talked about

938
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 3: how these players are really supposed to say anything bad

939
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 3: about Patrick Greider, like get fine, Like there's someone very

940
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: clearly connected with Patrick Greed talking about like everyone just

941
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 3: to Thomas and like roar, he kind of everybody, And look,

942
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 3: we all kind of knew. I thought it was like

943
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 3: her dad. I heard herd a while ago, as you know,

944
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 3: people sleuthing around that it was registered to her dad,

945
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 3: and I thought, you know, it was an in law.

946
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 3: But like the slip up was made by Justine, Right,

947
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 3: it's not Patrick. Patrick is not tweeting from his own

948
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 3: account even No, it was absolutely Justine on the didn't

949
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 3: switch the accounts Justin tweets for Patrick, I'm sure, and

950
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 3: she tweets apparently it used golf facts. It's such a circus.

951
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 3: I don't know. It was just so great that that

952
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 3: we all knew that was the case, right, I mean

953
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of issues in that camp,

954
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 3: A lot of issues in that camp. Anything else from

955
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 3: the weekend on the Farmer's insurance again, my whole thing

956
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 3: with the procedure, somebody used the analogy. A close friend

957
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 3: of the program there was praising Ted Bundy for pitching up,

958
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 3: picking up hitch hikers on his way to offen them.

959
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 3: When you talk about the way he did stuff by

960
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 3: the book, it's procedure. It wasn't embedded. It could not

961
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 3: have been embedded. And that's where everything begins and ends

962
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 3: a couple.

963
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: Other things as an ends low Rory Sabatini, how about that, Well, Rory.

964
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 3: They've played together. They've played together. Unbelievable. PGA Tour Live.

965
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 3: Kevin Stadler made his first cut since twenty fourteen. Did

966
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 3: you hear that? Yeah, he was on PGA Tour Live

967
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 3: because I think he was with Phil I believe twenty fourteen.

968
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 3: Unbelievable Brooks.

969
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: Brooks misses the cut three consecutive starts for the first

970
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 2: time in his PGA Tour career.

971
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on there me. I don't know. Yeah,

972
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 3: I don't want to say anything. I don't know. I'm

973
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 3: not super hopeful. I'm hopeful that he gets back, but

974
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 3: my optimism is waning that.

975
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 2: This is we just we haven't seen anything sustainable.

976
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 3: You know.

977
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 2: It's as he's kind of fallen into this bucket where

978
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: I have speeth where I just need to see something

979
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: for more than one round, more than three rounds in

980
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: a four round tournament more than really more than one week,

981
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 2: you know, I need to see him string together a

982
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 2: couple of performances.

983
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Again, he doesn't really care about the PC Tour events.

984
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 3: So I'm just worried we're those eighteen months like a

985
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 3: super hot aberration or so, and this is I don't know,

986
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think that's the case. He's still

987
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 3: contended in November. That got his way at the Master's

988
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 3: kind of worked his way in the conversation. But all right,

989
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 3: what else you got?

990
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: And ends odds and ends. I mean, Tony, I feel

991
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: bad for the second place.

992
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 3: I can't do the feenale stuff anymore. I mean I can,

993
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 3: but not. This isn't a day to do.

994
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 2: It, all right. I don't think I'm done. I got

995
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 2: nothing else?

996
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 3: Do we give Paul Casey as props for winning?

997
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 2: Good job, Paul Casey.

998
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,959
Speaker 3: You know it's fifteenth way emotional meant a lot to him.

999
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 3: Where did Westy go?

1000
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1001
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:24,439
Speaker 3: Seventeenth Hey, Westy Blend is live. Yeah, got me through

1002
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 3: this podcast. I'm sipping on the west.

1003
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: He blends seventeen for Westy even part Yeah, that's uh

1004
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: Laurie Candor has been playing really well lately. And how

1005
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: about this Cale Cale Smogia. I like that name.

1006
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 3: So he's always around, He's always around? All right, what's

1007
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 3: your other thing? You said you want to do some new.

1008
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 2: No, I just was thinking about something I figured I

1009
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: wanted to I wanted to get I wanted to get

1010
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 2: your thoughts on it, and I wanted I was curious

1011
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: if anybody in the greater audience would know. I was

1012
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 2: driving my car today and us go to the grocery

1013
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: store and I, where's this going? To my right was

1014
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: a group of bikers, and I just started thinking about

1015
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: biker gangs, my.

1016
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 3: Motorcyclists, Lance armstrong types.

1017
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: Okay, how do these things come about? How how do

1018
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: you get into a bike gang? Like, you know, do

1019
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 2: you do you purchase? You purchase a motorcycle? Do you

1020
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 2: ride around alone until you find one? The other thing, like,

1021
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: why do they ride together? They they don't talk to

1022
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: each other. You know, they get to the stop light

1023
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 2: and nobody talks. Where are they going? There's another question I.

1024
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 3: Had, but just out to ride.

1025
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: But who decides where they're going? Who decides how do

1026
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 2: they know where to meet? Who decides where they're going

1027
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 2: to different people take the turns leading them. Is it like, oh,

1028
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: you know, Jeff is taking the lea, he's turning right,

1029
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 2: and does everybody have to follow?

1030
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 3: They go to biker bars, I imagine, right, Well, which

1031
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 3: I wonder if the COVID the pandemic has created sort

1032
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 3: of a.

1033
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: I'm just so, I was genuinely curious about all this works.

1034
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 2: What I saw. I just started thinking about it. It's like,

1035
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 2: how do all these guys know each other?

1036
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 3: You know?

1037
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 2: Well?

1038
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 3: It could it be similar to like a golf group

1039
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 3: that sort of organically develops around the Saturday mornings at

1040
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 3: the golf course. It could be, right, so there's some

1041
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: overlap and then I don't know, you meet at the

1042
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 3: biker bar, and then your ranks grow and you figure

1043
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 3: out more times and places. I get now there's probably

1044
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 3: message boards and electronic ways of organizing.

1045
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 2: So say I went out and bought a motorcycle. If

1046
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: I just rode around and then I found a biker

1047
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 2: gang out there riding, do you think I could just

1048
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: join up with them like a single at a pub

1049
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 2: course in the morning.

1050
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 3: They might be suspicious, It might take some while. You

1051
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 3: might have to prove yourself I don't know that you could.

1052
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 3: I don't know you could just start riding with them

1053
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 3: like that. I don't know how any of this works.

1054
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: I'm not in one nor been around one.

1055
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 2: This is These are all questions that I had today,

1056
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: and I.

1057
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 3: Was so you pulled up next to them and just

1058
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 3: mine started racing.

1059
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had all these things just flooded my brain.

1060
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 3: Good stuff. I like it. What a way to end

1061
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 3: Monday Monday podcast for February, first New month. Anything else

1062
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 3: were good?

1063
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: I think we're good.

1064
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 3: There's so much to talk about. I feel like we

1065
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 3: could left some stuff on the table at Patrick Green's drop.

1066
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:50,439
Speaker 2: I don't think we talked about enough. How freaking good

1067
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 2: he was today around the Greens.

1068
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 3: I thought we did.

1069
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 2: It was unbelievable. Like the shot out of the pen

1070
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 2: was insane. From that behind the green, the live was

1071
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 2: just awful. It's just insane how good he is. You

1072
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 2: just you expect him to get up and down from everywhere,

1073
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 2: and it's crazy that that's like, no matter where he is,

1074
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 2: you expect him to get up and down. And it's

1075
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 2: sad that that skill, which is so like his like

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Speaker 2: we said, his style is so rare to thrive on

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Speaker 2: the PGA tour, and yet we talked for forty minutes

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Speaker 2: about everything else that didn't involve how good he played

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Speaker 2: to be to dust. He dusted a really good field.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think the larger point is, yeah, whatever, it's

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Speaker 3: it's illustrating some real warts with the PGA tour right now, right, it's.

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Speaker 2: The this is more than Patrick Reid. Is the PGA

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Speaker 2: tour that that created this, right? All right?

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Speaker 3: Why do you say that just because it's just the way.

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Speaker 2: They're they've enabled they've enabled him to do this ship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we're gonna talk ourselves in circles. Everyone,

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Speaker 3: enjoy your Mondays. We'll be back Wednesday with you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure some Saudi Saudi International news content. Well that's

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Speaker 3: coming up. We got h where are we going Phoenix,

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Speaker 3: Phoenix Open Influencers Man. Tough tough scene for the influencers

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Speaker 3: this year, right, and they have no PGA show and

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Speaker 3: they have no Phoenix Open, you know, crowds to get

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Speaker 3: all their different you know, activations and different social media

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Speaker 3: type hijinks going on. So tough scene for the influencers

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Speaker 3: this week. But we'll be back on Wednesday.

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