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Speaker 1: What's up everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory. I'm Chandeler Roam,

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Speaker 2: joined by Tyler Stafford, where we are rolling with the

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Speaker 2: punches here on a Friday morning. We had a very

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Speaker 2: special guest lined up to join us this morning, but

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Speaker 2: you know, things happen in spring training and guys have

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Speaker 2: to go in and get early work done. So you're

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Speaker 2: stuck with me and Tyler, whose voice sounds.

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Speaker 1: Like it's on its last leg. How you do it

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Speaker 1: up there in Oklahoma?

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Speaker 3: Tyler, I don't know if it's allergy. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I've been I've had this cold for like three weeks.

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Speaker 4: And when I was teaching back in the day, I

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Speaker 4: would get around this time the same thing, and then

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Speaker 4: I would lose my voice for like a week. And

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you've ever taught one hundred and

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Speaker 4: eighty junior high students in a day with no voice before,

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Speaker 4: but it is rough. So I would have I would

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Speaker 4: know that it's coming, just like I can tell now

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Speaker 4: that I'm about to lose my voice, and I would

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Speaker 4: pick a kid in each class that I was like,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to come up and I'm going to like

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Speaker 4: have to whisper to you what we're doing, and you're

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Speaker 4: in charge. And so we'd have a week in school

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Speaker 4: where I would have like student led classes because I

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Speaker 4: was like, we got this power point on the Texas

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Speaker 4: Revolution or whatever we were doing around this time. All

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Speaker 4: my Texas history teachers, I think, I think I'm correct. Well, no, actually,

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Speaker 4: at this point we're probably in the weird mon paw Ferguson. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. We would I would have my students teach,

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Speaker 4: and I would just sit there. So all of your

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Speaker 4: assumptions of me as a teacher are correct. I was

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Speaker 4: sitting silently at my desk while the kids did everything.

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Speaker 2: I had an American history teacher in high school who

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Speaker 2: was like very influential.

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Speaker 1: She was a very good teacher.

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Speaker 2: But the year I took her class, when when I

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Speaker 2: was a junior in high school, that's when the Saints

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Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl. And she's a native New Orleanian

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Speaker 2: and Baton Rouge like cared about the Saints, but didn't

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl like they did New Orleans. This teacher decided

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Speaker 2: to go down to New Orleans Sunday for Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: Sunday when the Saints won the Super Bowls in Miami.

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Speaker 2: But suffice to say she enjoyed herself.

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Speaker 1: We got to.

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Speaker 2: Class that Monday. This was like I think I had

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Speaker 2: in the day. This was not like first thing in

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Speaker 2: into her classroom. She stayed awake long enough to say,

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Speaker 2: I'm putting Forrest Gump on. You guys, just write down

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Speaker 2: every historical reference that ever comes up in the movie

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Speaker 2: Forrest Gump. She put it on, went and sat at

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Speaker 4: It was there's a new Tom Hanks World War two

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Speaker 4: if I were still teaching at the time, we'd be

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Speaker 4: watching that sucker and there I've seen there treasure more

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Speaker 4: times than Nick Cage, Like, I've watched that so much.

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Speaker 4: As a history teacher, I could tell you every and

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Speaker 4: it rules, so I don't. I don't really care.

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Speaker 2: This is the same This is the same history teacher

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Speaker 2: that made us rewrite the words to we didn't start

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Speaker 2: the fire going by the decades of our life, going

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Speaker 2: was Billy Joel's life. And then we had to record

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Speaker 2: This was an honors class as well. So you guys

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Speaker 2: really really know why I got into journal.

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Speaker 4: Pig that up, but I need to hear that. That

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Speaker 4: sounds like a great assignment. I would I would crush

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Speaker 4: it at that. I think I told you. But when

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Speaker 4: I was a teacher, every year I would do some

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Speaker 4: parody song of about American history.

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Speaker 3: So I had a.

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Speaker 4: Trap Queen that I did Bad King seventeen seventy six.

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Speaker 4: I did Cake by the Ocean, but it was Tea

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Speaker 4: Simon and garfunk It was great. I've got all of

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Speaker 1: Did any of those kids know who Simon and Garfunkle won?

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Speaker 3: No, But they liked that I was goofing around. I

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Speaker 4: I was cool and young enough that I could get

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Speaker 3: I think, or whatever they called it at the.

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Speaker 1: Time, you had drip as the kids.

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Speaker 3: Now they were saying that in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: But probably not maybe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're all over the place today, as you

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Speaker 2: was any surprise on Wednesday morning when Joe Espada announced

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Speaker 2: that Josh Hater will begin the season on the injured list.

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Speaker 2: I think if you listen the show, if you follow along,

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Speaker 2: if you've followed baseball for any length of time, and

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Speaker 2: you kind of started to map out progression here, it

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Speaker 2: was always going to come to this. I think that

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Speaker 2: the slower it moved as the weeks the beginning of

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Speaker 2: spring training went by, and Hater was not throwing off

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Speaker 1: Yet, you kind of knew that they weren't going to

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Speaker 2: And with a guy that has three years and fifty

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Speaker 2: want to rush that guy just to ceremoniously put him

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Speaker 2: called on opening day. But no real surprise there, Tyler.

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Speaker 2: But a loss nonetheless because he is Josh Hater and

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Speaker 2: it is an even year, and it's usually pretty good

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Speaker 2: and even years, but Josh Hater, that's a big loss,

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Speaker 2: big loss in the back of that bullpen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: I mean again, if you had to pick when to

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Speaker 4: miss two weeks of Josh Hater, I'd rather pick April

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Speaker 4: against the Angels than our October. So hopefully they just

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Speaker 4: take it slow and he can come back ready to go.

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Speaker 4: But they got a pretty good second option in the

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Speaker 1: They do. They have Brian A brad You.

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Speaker 2: I think the first question before we get to a

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Speaker 2: the injured list stint. He's got to be on there

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Speaker 2: for fifteen days. Picture you put them on the ail.

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Speaker 2: You're signing up for fifteen days right off the bat,

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Speaker 2: No questions asked. Does that start from opening day or

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Speaker 2: does it start No, it starts from opening day. Joe

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Speaker 2: Aspota was asked, you do you envision it being a

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Speaker 2: which is probably wise given all of their issues communicating

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Speaker 2: injuries at all. But as I've reiterated, and as I think,

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Speaker 2: if as you've been following this, you have to have

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Speaker 2: Now he is throwing bullpens. I think he'll throw his

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Speaker 1: And then maybe get him into games.

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Speaker 2: Given where the calendar is, I would be surprised if

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Speaker 2: be surprised if he's in that exhibition against sugar Land.

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Speaker 2: But that would maybe the earliest you see him in

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Speaker 2: relievers have this. They don't have to get the volume

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Speaker 4: Do they have.

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Speaker 2: They get into games and they take a couple days off,

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Speaker 2: how it feels pitching back to back. So I think

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Speaker 2: the best case scenario for the Astros would be that

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Speaker 2: Josh Hater is facing hitters in some capacity before they

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but I think that would be best

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Speaker 1: Okay, he can go to Triple.

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Speaker 2: A and get and pitch in this game and then

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Speaker 2: take a couple of days off and then pitch back

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Speaker 2: to back, but that would be the best case scenario.

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Speaker 2: So short answer, I don't know how long it's going

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Speaker 2: you never know. Again, they're gonna take this slow with him.

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Speaker 2: It makes no sense to rush him, especially with what

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Speaker 2: they have invested in him long term.

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Speaker 1: But he feels good. He was joking around yesterday.

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Speaker 2: He had a bunch of gloves that he was asking

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Speaker 2: everyone's opinion on which glove he should use.

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Speaker 1: One of them was fully green.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of green, so he asked

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Speaker 2: There was a nice red one with like an orange

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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Speaker 2: When I told him, he that one. But yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: in a good mood. He's in a good place again.

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Speaker 2: I think this was more of formality, more of a

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Speaker 2: to work out that he's gonna be ready for the year.

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Speaker 2: But in his absence, the Ashers will turn to Brian

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Speaker 2: A brave who I wrote about this morning on The

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Speaker 2: Athletic from a little bit of a different lens, because

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Speaker 2: I think Brian abray you has a chance to be

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Speaker 2: one of the more fascinating free agents available this coming winter.

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Speaker 2: A lot's gonna happen this coming winter with the CBA

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Speaker 2: and everything. But for a minute, let's let's imagine that

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Speaker 2: the CBA is fine. Let's imagine that, you know, there's

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Speaker 2: not gonna be a lockout, and we can just talk

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Speaker 2: about the twenty twenty seven or this coming off season

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Speaker 2: is somewhat normal.

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Speaker 1: Brian Abrady's gonna be twenty nine years old.

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Speaker 2: That is super young, and when you look at the

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Speaker 2: relievers that will be free agents next year, he is

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Speaker 2: by far the youngest.

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Speaker 1: When you look at.

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Speaker 2: The relievers available, it's hard to imagine anyone with a

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Speaker 2: better t record, with a healthier track record. He's been

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Speaker 2: on the injured list once in his major league career.

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Speaker 2: It's because of a calf, nothing to do with his arm.

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Speaker 2: And he's posted.

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Speaker 1: I mean he is.

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Speaker 2: He's made seventy appearances. It seems like yearly. This is

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Speaker 2: a guy that you know is really able. He's made

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Speaker 2: seventy appearances each of the last three years. He takes

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Speaker 2: the ball, it's good stuff, it's he would be a

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Speaker 2: closer on what Tyler twenty five other teams. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: so now he gets a chance to show that he

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Speaker 2: can close. And I think while that is important for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And when it comes to the Astros, you do

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Speaker 2: So Tyler tetsua em Thurs ninety eight. Mm hmmm, pretty

444
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Speaker 2: aware of that.

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Speaker 4: I sure wasn't until I saw your tweet and a

446
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Speaker 4: big fan of that.

447
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Speaker 3: That's uh, that's pretty good.

448
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So full disclosure. I obviously I had been in

449
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Speaker 2: Houston doing some WBC stuff, so I just I got

450
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: back to spring training Tuesday night. My first day in

451
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Speaker 2: camp was Wednesday when Emi started in Jupiter, and that

452
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Speaker 2: was the first time I had seen him pitch in

453
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Speaker 2: a game situation. I'd seen him throw bullpens, I had

454
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: watched him throw like his first live VP, but it's

455
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Speaker 2: different when it's a game and it's an opposing team.

456
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Speaker 2: I did not expect to see ninety eight. That was

457
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Speaker 2: not something I anticipated. I'll be completely honest with you.

458
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Speaker 2: I talked to some people within the Ashers organization that

459
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Speaker 2: were also a little bit surprised to see ninety eight

460
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Speaker 2: pop up on the scoreboard. Joe a spot it even

461
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Speaker 2: said on the record after the game. I asked him,

462
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Speaker 2: I was like, did that did you know we had

463
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Speaker 2: that in there? And he kind of raised his eyebrows.

464
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Speaker 2: He goes, yeah, that was surprising. It was something that

465
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Speaker 2: And I know, Tyler, you're probably wondering, like how that,

466
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Speaker 2: how that happens?

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Speaker 1: Yes, like how how this team?

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Speaker 2: So, in talking to some scouts that have been I've

469
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Speaker 2: seen in spring just getting their kind of feelings on Emi,

470
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Speaker 2: getting their feeling on maybe Japanese pictures as a whole.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that's been pretty common that I've

472
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Speaker 2: heard from scouts is that Japanese pitchers tend to fluctuate

473
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Speaker 2: their velocity, maybe a little bit more than we see.

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Speaker 1: In MLB in the States.

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Speaker 2: I had a scout yesterday even reference Yusei Kakuchi in

476
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Speaker 2: that and while he was talking about with Japanese pictures,

477
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Speaker 2: because you say would do that when in his astro's tenure,

478
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Speaker 2: he did that with the Blue Jays and the Mariners,

479
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Speaker 2: Like there would be times where he was like ninety two,

480
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Speaker 2: ninety three, and then out of nowhere, he's like ninety

481
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Speaker 2: five ninety seven for a stretch. So it's something that

482
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Speaker 2: talking to people. Emi did this in NPB a little

483
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 2: bit too. His average fastball veloc he was like ninety

484
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Speaker 2: two ninety three, bump four or five when he could,

485
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Speaker 2: but there would be times when he felt good and

486
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Speaker 2: everything was synced up and he'd hit ninety seven ninety eight.

487
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Speaker 2: I think the thing that impressed me the most on

488
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Speaker 2: Wednesday against the Marlins was that he held it too.

489
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Speaker 2: Like I kind of expected, like, all right, like he's

490
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Speaker 2: amped up first inning ninety eight. I expected to see,

491
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Speaker 2: you know, ninety four ninety three in the next two innings,

492
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Speaker 2: but he was steady around ninety six, ninety five, ninety

493
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Speaker 2: six ninety seven in the second third inning.

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Speaker 1: He held his velocity.

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Speaker 2: After the game, he talked about he had been tinkering

496
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Speaker 2: with a couple of different things. The mound is obviously

497
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Speaker 2: a different height here in MLB as opposed to MPB.

498
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Speaker 1: I'm going off of what he said.

499
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Speaker 3: Is that obvious? I didn't know that.

500
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Speaker 2: I'm going off of what Emi said. He said that

501
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 2: he's had to adjust to the mound height. He's obviously

502
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 2: had to adjust to the baseball. That is something that

503
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: the baseball is different the baseball he is. I did

504
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Speaker 2: not hear this, but apparently he told reporters after his

505
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Speaker 2: last start here that he was kind of hesitant to

506
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Speaker 2: let the fastball go because he's been worried about kind

507
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Speaker 2: of transitioning to the new baseball. And so one of

508
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Speaker 2: the things he did going into this start he moved

509
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Speaker 2: his He moved his feet on the rubber. He was

510
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Speaker 2: basically standing all the way on the first base side

511
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Speaker 2: of the rubber. He moved all the way to the

512
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Speaker 2: extreme right of the rubber and basically told himself, like

513
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna let it go. I'm gonna let the I'm

514
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Speaker 2: gonna let it go. See what happens.

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Speaker 1: He said.

516
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Speaker 2: Moving to the right side of the rubber allowed him

517
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Speaker 2: to sync up. It allowed him to use his strength

518
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Speaker 2: better and get down the mound better. And you saw

519
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: the velocity come with it. He went nine up, nine

520
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Speaker 2: down against the Marlins. And you don't want to be

521
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Speaker 2: held captive by spring training results.

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Speaker 1: You don't. You want to take it all with a

523
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Speaker 1: grain of salt.

524
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Speaker 2: But it was overpowering, like it was as impressive a

525
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Speaker 2: three inning, nine batter stint as you can have.

526
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a do that more. That would be my

527
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Speaker 4: suggestion is to stand there and throw it really hard.

528
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Speaker 4: That seems to be the correct way to pitch. That's

529
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Speaker 4: that's huge. I mean, that's ninety eight is crazy. I

530
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Speaker 4: definitely did not expect that, especially with the concerns of,

531
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Speaker 4: you know, his fastball coming. That was kind of the

532
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 4: big knock. Was the secondary stuff is really good. Now,

533
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Speaker 4: most of that was the shape of the fastball, not

534
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Speaker 4: necessarily the speed. But still I don't think anybody thought

535
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Speaker 4: sitting ninety five touching ninety eight.

536
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that.

537
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that fastball real quick, because I know

538
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: that got a little bit misconstrued and just people understanding

539
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: kind of what the what the thought was on it,

540
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Speaker 2: the knock on it. And this again, this is from

541
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Speaker 2: talking to people in other front offices.

542
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Speaker 1: This is from talking to.

543
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Speaker 2: Evaluators that looked at Emi during free agency and we're

544
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Speaker 2: looking for red flags, We're looking for things that maybe

545
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Speaker 2: didn't allow him to get the contract that he wanted

546
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Speaker 2: to get. One of the constant themes was that the

547
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Speaker 2: fastball was a little flat. Was that it was it

548
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: was a flat fastball, did not have a ton of movement,

549
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: did not have a ton of ride. We had We

550
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Speaker 2: had Josh Miller on the pod before spring training and

551
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Speaker 2: we asked him about that and he he kind of said, no,

552
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: they see a good fastball there. But again, I'm just

553
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Speaker 2: I'm relaying what people in other front offices that looked

554
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Speaker 2: at Emi what maybe was.

555
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Speaker 1: Their one concern.

556
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Speaker 2: So it was never the velocity because I think as

557
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: we talked about it, I think it's been pretty known

558
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 2: that the velocity is kind of fluctuates a little bit.

559
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: It has always been will it have enough deception? We

560
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: will the fastball have enough deception? Or is it straight?

561
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: Because I hate to break it to you. You can

562
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: throw a hundred all you on, but if it's flat

563
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 2: and straight, big league hitters can get their foot down

564
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Speaker 2: and be on time for it.

565
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Speaker 1: You can time up ninety eight if it's straight.

566
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Speaker 2: But the one the interesting thing about is the other

567
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Speaker 2: interesting about his starting against the Marlins on Wednesday. If

568
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Speaker 2: you believe baseball savant, which I do, when if you

569
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Speaker 2: believe game day, you know he only threw three He

570
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: only threw a four, seem a slider and a split. Now, granted,

571
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Speaker 2: he carved through that lineup pretty quickly, and he didn't

572
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Speaker 2: go through it a second time. So I'm sure if

573
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Speaker 2: he would have gotten a if you'd gotten a second

574
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Speaker 2: look at that lineup, you'd have seen a little bit

575
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Speaker 2: of variance in his arsenal. But the backup slider is

576
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Speaker 2: still working. I think that's going to be I'm fascinated

577
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 2: to see. And you know this, Tyler, I think the

578
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: first month or two of the season, that pitch is

579
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: going to really perform for him, Like it's gonna be like,

580
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a lot of teams like what in

581
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: the hell did I just see? And then, as we

582
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: always talk about, the league adjusts. The league is going

583
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Speaker 2: to adjust to that backup slider. The league's going to

584
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Speaker 2: adjust to the split. It'll be really interesting to see

585
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Speaker 2: after the first month or two of the season, when

586
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Speaker 2: the book, so to say, is out on Emi kind

587
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Speaker 2: of how he adjusts back with this arsenal.

588
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the biggest concern with the shape of his pitches

589
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 4: is because the slider doesn't move horizontally as much. It

590
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 4: behaves almost like I mean, it looks to me like

591
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 4: a splitter sometimes where it just dives straight down and

592
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Speaker 4: doesn't go horizontally. Then of course you have the splitter,

593
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 4: which actually has some like armside run too, is that

594
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 4: it comes in on righties. But then if the fastball

595
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 4: is staying straight, you don't have anything that's moving people

596
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Speaker 4: across the zone. You're you're really only looking up and

597
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Speaker 4: down when a pitch is coming in when you're tunneling

598
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Speaker 4: those pitches in. So that would be the biggest concern

599
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Speaker 4: is if people can time up the slider and just

600
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Speaker 4: know to swing under instead of across. He doesn't have

601
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Speaker 4: another pitch that runs across the zone. But yeah, you're right.

602
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Speaker 3: I think the.

603
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Speaker 4: First couple of months when people are seeing him for

604
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Speaker 4: the first time, he's gonna look really good.

605
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Speaker 2: And then the other guy that the Astros got this

606
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: offseason to bolster their rotation, Mike Burrows, just continues to

607
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Speaker 2: I mean I've actually I've seen two of his four

608
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Speaker 2: starts because I luckily got to see him right before

609
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Speaker 2: I left, and then saw him last night against who

610
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Speaker 2: they play, the Nationals. It's it keeps getting more and

611
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 2: more impressive. And again, you don't want to be held

612
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: captive by spring training stats, but it is what it is.

613
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Speaker 2: He's throwing twelve and two thirds scoreless innings to start spring.

614
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Speaker 2: He struck out fifteen, he has six walks, giving up

615
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Speaker 2: six hits. I thought the interesting thing last night, and

616
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Speaker 2: he talked about it.

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Speaker 1: After the start.

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Speaker 2: He threw about thirteen or fourteen sliders to left handed

619
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Speaker 2: hitting batters, which in general, for those that kind of

620
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Speaker 2: don't know, in general, if you're a right handed pitcher,

621
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Speaker 2: a curveball is usually your spin weapon against a left

622
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Speaker 2: handed batter, and a slider is usually the spin against

623
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Speaker 2: the right handed batter. Because, as we just talked about,

624
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: slider moves away from right handed hitters and that helps,

625
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: but this slider moves into left handed hitters, and Mike

626
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Speaker 2: bur I kind of just presumed after I while watching

627
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Speaker 2: the game, I was like, all right, there's a ton

628
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Speaker 2: of left he's in this lineup, Like maybe he's just

629
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Speaker 2: working on it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he just wants to see what it looks like.

631
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Speaker 1: This is just a spring training thing.

632
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Speaker 2: But then after the game he talked about no, like

633
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Speaker 2: that is something he wants to carry end of the season.

634
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Speaker 2: He wants to be more comfortable throwing that slider to

635
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Speaker 2: left handed hitters. They have asked him to throw this,

636
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Speaker 2: as we talked about with him on the podcast, they've

637
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Speaker 2: asked him to throw the sinker more to right handed hitters.

638
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Speaker 2: He didn't get a chance to do that last night

639
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: really because the Nationals have so many left handed hitters.

640
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Speaker 2: But he's like, the way the sinkers perform, the four

641
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: seamer continues to get great results. We knew, we knew

642
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: the change up was a plus pitch. But again, don't

643
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 2: want to don't want to be held captive by this,

644
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: but he has looked incredibly, incredibly impressive through.

645
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think pictures you can look a

646
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 4: little bit more into spring training results than you can

647
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 4: with hitters, just because there's so much data on on pitchers.

648
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 4: You can see the spin rates of pitches, you can

649
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 4: see the velocity, you can see the movement, and those

650
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 4: hold true no matter who's in the box as opposed

651
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Speaker 4: to hitters, where it's you're reacting to the pitches that

652
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Speaker 4: you're seeing to the pitchers.

653
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Speaker 1: And all of that.

654
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Speaker 4: So, I mean, yeah, he's looked unbelievable. I'm I am

655
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Speaker 4: picking him to have my favorite pitch of any baseball season,

656
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 4: which is the back foot slider that somebody swings at

657
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 4: and it hits them. That that seems like a possibility

658
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 4: for him. Yeah, he's he's looked incredible. I mean, what

659
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 4: what a find for the Astros.

660
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean I think the thing about him

661
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: that's also impressive is and I keep saying this, not

662
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: even because I enjoy I enjoy a quickly, crisply played game,

663
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: but his mound demeanor, in his mound presence is something

664
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: to behold. Like he's not a big guy, like if

665
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: you like, I think I'm taller than him, Like he's

666
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: he is not a big guy.

667
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: He's not intimidating.

668
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: Like six five so you know, you're like six', Five so,

669
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah Mike burrows is not like the most intimidating guy

670
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: in the. World like if you were to enter a

671
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: room with, him you would not think that this is

672
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: a Major league baseball. Player but on the mound he

673
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: kind of Like Joe spot has said it earlier in,

674
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 2: camp and it's probably the most apt, description like he's

675
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: got a little red ass in him on the. Mound

676
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: and then As Joe spot his words not, MINE i

677
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: guess they were my words just. Now but he gets

678
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: the ball and goes it is a quick. Pace you,

679
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 2: know all due respect To fromber and his breathing exercises

680
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: and what he needed to calm himself, down but there

681
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: will be no walks around the. Mound there will be

682
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: no you, know deep breaths and taking the pitch clock

683
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: down to one Like burrows gets the ball and goes

684
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: like it is a good. Pace and don't discount either

685
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: what that does for the defense behind, him because those

686
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: guys like to stay engaged. Too they don't like THE i,

687
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: mean they'll do it if they have, to but it's

688
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 2: just a more cohesive and kind of rhythmic game for those.

689
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 2: Guys if they're always, engaged they're always in the ready,

690
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: position and they know he's going to get the ball and.

691
00:34:58,719 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: Go so.

692
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 2: He threw seventy seven pitches last night in his fourth.

693
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 2: START i think he's lined up to make one more

694
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: start before starting the. Season so he's got to get

695
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: that kind of fifth up and, up as you, know

696
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: going up and down like he's gonna pitch into the

697
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: fifth inning and his next. Start but he looks about

698
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: as ready for the season As Hunter brown. Looks i'd

699
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: like to See Tatsuya emi get through a lineup a second.

700
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: Time i'd like to see him pitch to an order

701
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 2: a second time BEFORE i declare that he's. Ready but

702
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: the ashers have to be encouraged by how all three

703
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: of those guys have thrown the ball four weeks in the.

704
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 4: Game, yeah looking like a pretty good top three of

705
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 4: the rotation thus.

706
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: Far AND i have.

707
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 4: Given Mike burrows the highest, honor which is that after

708
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 4: his last, START i went and went to the Name

709
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 4: raider In Lavender. Town i'm sure you're, familiar and renamed

710
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 4: My Doug Trio. Burrows so that's that's the highest COMPLIMENT

711
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 4: i can give.

712
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: Someone no offense To Mike. Burrows he's listed at six

713
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: to one On Baseball. REFERENCE i do not believe he

714
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: is six foot. One I'm i'm five. TEN i do

715
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: not Believe Mike burro's, Six but who, KNOWS i could

716
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: Be who?

717
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 3: Cares who?

718
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: Cares the point is he's Not he's not from er

719
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: who's gonna walk in and look like he's gonna beat

720
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: the hell out of you just because he's a big

721
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: dude and like he's he's an imposing presence Like Mike

722
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: burrows is not. That but when he gets on the,

723
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: mound he pitches like someone who is like. That so

724
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 2: it's been fun to watch a couple quick footnotes before

725
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: we get out of. Here Christian javier is currently not in.

726
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: Camp he is dealing with What joe A spot had

727
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: described as a personal. Matter, obviously we're not going to

728
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: speculate further than. That the only thing that we tried

729
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: to kind of specify With joe was Whether christian is

730
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: in The Dominican republic or whether he's sell in The.

731
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 2: States joe would not divulge, that but it does sound

732
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: like he is going to be able to continue throwing

733
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: while he's away from the, team so the arm will

734
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: continue to.

735
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: MOVE i don't know really what.

736
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: This does for his status for the, season if it does,

737
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: anything just because they want to be respectful of his,

738
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: privacy WHICH i completely, understand so that'll be kind of

739
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: a wait and see kind of. THING i Know hobber

740
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: did not look good in his start right before this

741
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: all came.

742
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: UP i don't want to speculate.

743
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: At, all BUT i wonder what was going, on whether

744
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: he had other things on his. Mind but you, know,

745
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: obviously like all the best To Christian javier and whatever's,

746
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: happening whatever he's dealing, with and he'll be back when

747
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: when he is, back we will let you know.

748
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: Updates he is swinging with one.

749
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: Hand, okay LAST i, checked you needed. Too but he

750
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: can maybe maybe he can be that guy that swings

751
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: with one. Hand he's fielding ground balls and but just

752
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: not he's doing everything essentially but throwing the baseball and

753
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: swinging with both. Hands, now those seem like two important

754
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: things for your leadoff. Shortstop they, are but it should

755
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: be encouraging that he is at least able to do

756
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: this level of baseball, activity that it is not the

757
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: sort of injury that they are just completely, like you

758
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 2: don't do anything Like apparently he's, Lifting apparently he's able

759
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 2: to do stuff in the weight. Room it's just they

760
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: need to get that. Cleared and now THAT i think about,

761
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: it you, know they said when it happened that he

762
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: would be reevaluated in two. WEEKS i think we're a

763
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: week into. THAT i think we're either right out a

764
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: week or maybe a little bit past a week into.

765
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: That so maybe in the next couple of days he'll

766
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: get his reevaluation and we'll be able to give you

767
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 2: more accurate.

768
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: Information whatever they give.

769
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: Us But i'm STARTING i don't, KNOW i get the

770
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 2: feeling that this is going to be kind of like

771
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: the hater situation that if they're not going to rush this,

772
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: that it doesn't seem like it is serious at. All

773
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: if it was, serious he wouldn't be out here doing

774
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: all these baseball. Activities but if he's not ready exactly

775
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 2: By march twenty, sixth it won't be that much farther.

776
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: After he would only have to miss ten days as

777
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 2: a position player on THE, il but it wouldn't be

778
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,479
Speaker 2: that much longer. After BUT i know paying his goal

779
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: is to be ready for opening.

780
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 3: That, yeah.

781
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 4: HOPEFULLY i, mean like we, said the right ring finger's

782
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 4: that's about as good of a finger as you can

783
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 4: break the tip of because again he's obviously swinging with

784
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 4: one hand as a. Righty all of that comes from

785
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 4: your left. Hand so, yeah hopefully he's he's able to

786
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 4: be back in. Time but if, not they CERTAINLY i

787
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 4: don't know if you've heard of this infield surplus that they've,

788
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 4: had but you know they're able to make a lineup

789
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 4: with what the guys they have on their.

790
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: Team how many YouTube comments are going to get today?

791
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: Right your best?

792
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 2: Efforts how many YouTube comments are you need today that

793
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: people are mad that they're gonna, Say i'm mad that

794
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 2: he Saw paradus is still on the.

795
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: Roster there's gonna be like fifteen of. Them can't wait.

796
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: Another one other interesting thing that we're recording This friday.

797
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: Morning Kaiwai tang is starting tonight's. GAME i think his.

798
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: FUTURE i think he can help The astros most starting

799
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 2: off the season in the. BULLPEN i think he probably

800
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 2: profiles as a, swingman maybe even a leverage guy if

801
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: they get down to. It but they're stretching him out

802
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: and they think he could help them in the rotation

803
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 2: if that need. ARISES i don't think right now they're.

804
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: There BUT i think it'll be interesting tonight to Watch Kaiwai.

805
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: Tang he'll probably get twice through the. Lineup maybe try

806
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: to get, him you, know three ish four, innings see

807
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: how it. Looks but be interesting because he's he's a

808
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: guy that's opened eyes in. Camp they were high on,

809
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 2: Him Dana brown was high on him when they traded

810
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: for him this. Winter but he's come to camp and really.

811
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: Impressed he's missing a ton of bat he's getting a

812
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: ton of. Strikeouts the command's always been the thing with,

813
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: him so they'll even keep it around the strike zone

814
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: if he can get those chases outside the strike. Zone

815
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: But i'm interested to see how we pitched, tonight just

816
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: because he's been a guy that has been a revelation

817
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 2: AND i think is really going to help this team this,

818
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: year And i'll be interested to know what role that would.

819
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 2: Be but he'll start tonight and we will discuss how

820
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 2: it went later on this. Week maybe our special guest

821
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,399
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822
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,000
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823
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827
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Speaker 2: be back this weekend to wrap up this week In

828
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 2: Great Fruit league, play and who, knows perhaps being joined

829
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: by a special. Guest but until, then we will talk

830
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: to you.

831
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 4: Soon it's Like i've always, said if you can throw ninety,

832
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 4: eight just do.

833
00:41:59,239 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: That.

834
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 3: Bye