Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama. Girl drama girl,
Speaker 2: all about them.
Speaker 3: High school queens. We'll take you for a ride. And
Speaker 3: our comic girl shared for the right.
Speaker 2: Drama Queens, girl girl fashion, but your tough girl.
Speaker 4: You could sit with us girl Drama Queens, Drama, Queens, Drama, Queens, Drama, Drama, Queens, Drama, Queens.
Speaker 5: Literally every minute.
Speaker 1: But we were not filming. I was just sitting in
Speaker 1: a chair, like, my life, my life, my life.
Speaker 3: Well, tell everyone what you're talking about, Hillary.
Speaker 5: This episode is going to open my life. Uh yes, hey,
Speaker 5: my life. Everybody.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Drama Queens. We're talking about And this is
Speaker 1: an infamous episode, right, Sure, some people hate it? Somebody
Speaker 1: else read the synopsis.
Speaker 3: Okay, Season six, episode eleven. I think I'm the only
Speaker 3: one that had fun on this episode. We did?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 3: Sure did?
Speaker 5: My Echo?
Speaker 3: My Shadow and Me Air date November seventeen, two thousand
Speaker 3: and eight, in a very special episode. Wow, it sounds
Speaker 3: like we're starting in after school special, which this definitely
Speaker 3: was not. Chad Michael Murray Penn's an homage to the
Speaker 3: classic films of the nineteen forties. Karen's cafe is transformed
Speaker 3: into a glamorous nightclub, with Lucas as its proprietor, Nathan
Speaker 3: as the bartender, Haley is the nightclub's residence, singer Peyton
Speaker 3: and Brooke as town floozies.
Speaker 6: Susies wholesome nieces that are stupid.
Speaker 3: And just had no clue what was going on, and
Speaker 3: oh boy, mouth is a is a reporter and the
Speaker 3: town drunk. Wow, let's get started.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you guys, Chad did write this, which
Speaker 1: I really want to give him credit. Yep. At the time,
Speaker 1: we all thought we were grown ups, right, and we
Speaker 1: were twenty five, twenty six, Like a kid, a twenty
Speaker 1: five or twenty six year old kid writing an episode
Speaker 1: of a TV show is a very big deal.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, for somebody who didn't go to school for
Speaker 3: writing or try And he's not trying to get in
Speaker 3: a writer's room, he's not. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, he just had an idea and begged to do
Speaker 1: it for years and they finally were like, you know what, Chad,
Speaker 1: write a bottle episode. It don't tie it to anything
Speaker 1: in the narrative, just make it live on an island.
Speaker 1: And he did it. And I don't think they helped
Speaker 1: him very much, because you know, they wanted to prove
Speaker 1: a point. You're not a writer, we are, and I
Speaker 1: think he turned in something that was so fun, weird,
Speaker 1: but that made it interesting. Yeah, So for any kid
Speaker 1: out there with a dream, just keep pushing. Man. I'm
Speaker 1: glad he won this fight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. And knowing that he did that was
Speaker 3: the thing that inspired me to go ask if I
Speaker 3: could direct an episode, which because I think I was
Speaker 3: the first one out of all of us to do that.
Speaker 3: And I went to Greg, one of our producers, with
Speaker 3: a script because I had seen Chad do this, and
Speaker 3: I was like, wait, this is a possibility we could
Speaker 3: actually branch out side because we definitely were not encouraged
Speaker 3: to do anything other than what we were let alone
Speaker 3: other projects, Like we were notwidged to do anything on
Speaker 3: our show besides act. So yeah, to go home and
Speaker 3: break down an old script from seasons before with I
Speaker 3: had all my tabs and all my little notes on it,
Speaker 3: and I mapped out scenes and I did blocking like
Speaker 3: I used to do in our direct plays in high school.
Speaker 3: And I came in with a huge binder and gave
Speaker 3: it to Greg and I was like, this is what
Speaker 3: I would have done with that episode if you had
Speaker 3: let me direct it, you know, three years ago, can
Speaker 3: I have one in the future? And they liked it
Speaker 3: and they gave me one, and it is you know,
Speaker 3: to Chad's credit, because he was the first one to
Speaker 3: take the step and go, hey, I want to do
Speaker 3: something else. Yeah, I appreciated that.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: I think that's a big deal.
Speaker 6: Who is just the fact so many people I think
Speaker 6: out in the world who don't work in our industry
Speaker 6: don't know how they really do put those barriers up
Speaker 6: for us. And you know, I've I've worked on things
Speaker 6: as I know you guys have where that's policy where
Speaker 6: producers will say, we hired you to act, we expect
Speaker 6: you to be an actor. Don't ask to direct, don't
Speaker 6: ask for input, don't you know, and they fill in
Speaker 6: the rest of the blanks, and and so I will
Speaker 6: say for us, I think that you know, whatever the
Speaker 6: TV version of like the seven Year Itch is, like
Speaker 6: by season six, you're just like I can only say,
Speaker 6: but I love him like so many more times, like
Speaker 6: please God, you know, how are we.
Speaker 3: Going to keep doing the same thing again?
Speaker 6: And to start finding these these avenues? You know, he
Speaker 6: took the lid off that box, and it did. I mean,
Speaker 6: it pushed you to go in direct Joy and then
Speaker 6: James and then me, and it really I think inspired
Speaker 6: each of us in.
Speaker 3: Our own ways.
Speaker 6: And listen. As much as some of the powers that
Speaker 6: be didn't want to help us, didn't want us to
Speaker 6: succeed at some of these things, I do appreciate that
Speaker 6: they said, Okay, if this is what it's going to be,
Speaker 6: if you love these old you know, old timey forties films,
Speaker 6: if you love this old like lore of Sinatra and whatever,
Speaker 6: we're going to give it context. And so the minute
Speaker 6: the episode opened, like.
Speaker 3: I genuinely was like, what is six to eleven?
Speaker 6: And then it started and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 6: he's watching the movie.
Speaker 3: It's the forties episode, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 7: And it was a cool device I think for them
Speaker 7: to give us to get in and out of this
Speaker 7: world from Tree Hill, to go into this sort of dreamscape.
Speaker 3: And you know, they.
Speaker 6: They opened the door to this new world for us
Speaker 6: and we got to go have a time. And I
Speaker 6: don't know then we did.
Speaker 1: Other shows have done it successfully too. I mean, didn't
Speaker 1: really Dale go on a time travel adventure? Did they
Speaker 1: feel like I saw like black and white things, be
Speaker 1: watching fricking Nickelodeon and kids cartoons forever. But I feel
Speaker 1: like in Passing, I've seen time travel on these other shows. Okay,
Speaker 1: and it is cool to get out of your bubble,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I wish they would have taken better care
Speaker 1: of Chad in this moment because as a new writer,
Speaker 1: you know, he's coming up with the story arcs and
Speaker 1: the A story and the B story and the C story,
Speaker 1: and I feel like they could have helped him massage
Speaker 1: some of that a little. Yeah, because some of the
Speaker 1: dialogue was hard for me as a woman to say,
Speaker 1: and I'm that's not a dig at our friend here.
Speaker 1: That is a dig at the grown up in the room,
Speaker 1: not being like that's a hard thing for a woman
Speaker 1: to say, say it out loud yourself.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, to to not help bring what we often
Speaker 6: saw in that bygone era on screen, which was like, gee, mister,
Speaker 6: I just need some help, you know, like to not
Speaker 6: help all of us in our modern era doing a
Speaker 6: flashback bring it up to date. I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 6: I guess in my brain, I was like, Wow, we
Speaker 6: did the thing, because that's what so many women were
Speaker 6: forced to do back then.
Speaker 1: Y'all. I had to spin in the middle of that
Speaker 1: bridge and.
Speaker 6: Say how many times did it take you to do
Speaker 6: that with a straight face?
Speaker 1: Did you see how wide that shot is?
Speaker 6: I have it written down as questions zero times?
Speaker 5: You guys. I was like, you want me to do what?
Speaker 1: And the director who shot on me nameless because he's
Speaker 1: a tool, was.
Speaker 5: Like, you got to spin in the middle of the bridge?
Speaker 5: A spin?
Speaker 1: And I was like spin, Like, like, how why would
Speaker 1: I spin when I'm telling him my feelings because we're
Speaker 1: doing this big crane shot and it's gonna look better
Speaker 1: if you spin, and you just keep spinning, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: like Lisa in the Sound of Music.
Speaker 5: Sixteen, go ahead, what you talking about? I got a spin?
Speaker 1: And so if you look, I am just making his face.
Speaker 5: I'm just like a need la.
Speaker 3: It's so solvable, though, Like they could have just if
Speaker 3: he needed a spin, he could have had you and
Speaker 3: Chad dance together for a second, and you know, you know,
Speaker 3: you could have had to grab you and spin you around.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's so solvable. It's so dumb.
Speaker 1: Suggestions were offered.
Speaker 3: I'm sure they were. No, that's what I'm saying, it's
Speaker 3: so frustrating that once. You know, sometimes when people get
Speaker 3: something stuck in their head, they can't move on from it.
Speaker 3: I mean, whatever, I've done the same thing, I guess,
Speaker 3: so I can't.
Speaker 1: Buy the butt.
Speaker 5: But the sets were gorgeous.
Speaker 1: I loved seeing Wilmington through this different lens.
Speaker 6: That was cool, and all that vintage cars and even
Speaker 6: the way that the that the sets changed the color
Speaker 6: palette of the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so blue and gray.
Speaker 6: It was. Yeah, it was so fun to see and
Speaker 6: you guys looked so beautiful. And I just remember, like
Speaker 6: you talking about knowing what book you were reading.
Speaker 3: I was like, well, this feels.
Speaker 6: Cool and especially joy I think, because I know for
Speaker 6: me and I think for most of us, your storyline
Speaker 6: was the most fun, like Haley getting.
Speaker 3: To do you know, big band stuff.
Speaker 6: I just remember being like, well, the way I'm going
Speaker 6: to have the most fun on this episode is I'm
Speaker 6: going to be the second set photographer. So I just
Speaker 6: like got into background costumes and I took pictures on
Speaker 6: set every day.
Speaker 3: That's what I did.
Speaker 6: Any scene I wasn't in, I took photos. So I
Speaker 6: have like I got to figure out how to digitize
Speaker 6: all of it. But I have this amazing sort of stash.
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Speaker 6: That's not even an insert. It just happened naturally. But yes, Like,
Speaker 6: I've got all these beautiful, old vintage photos of you guys,
Speaker 6: and they're so they just pretty I got to dig
Speaker 6: them up.
Speaker 3: Well, I had a ball on this episode. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry you guys had to do all the stuff
Speaker 3: you had to do because I had fun.
Speaker 1: But you wrote music for this episode, right I did?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they asked, Well, No, I had a song called
Speaker 3: the Hotel Cafe that I had written because I did
Speaker 3: a set before I ever got one Tree Hill. I
Speaker 3: had done a set of jazz standards at the Hotel
Speaker 3: Cafe in La and I thought it'd be fun to
Speaker 3: write a song for the venue in keeping with the night,
Speaker 3: and so we just transferred the name to Karen's Cafe.
Speaker 3: And then when I sent that in, they were like,
Speaker 3: this is great. Do you have any other stuff? It's like, yes, please.
Speaker 6: Hold You're like then out a whole night.
Speaker 3: Yes, So wrote a bunch of stuff with my writing
Speaker 3: partner at the time, and yellow and yeah, and then
Speaker 3: we actually got to score the episode. I don't think
Speaker 3: they ended up using most of it. It was much
Speaker 3: more theatrical and sort of cinematic than they Our director
Speaker 3: wanted more forties actually style again yeah which yeahs ours
Speaker 3: was more like theatrical and emotional, but I liked.
Speaker 1: You know what they chose is that also when you
Speaker 1: were working on the Notebook.
Speaker 3: No, this was aft okay, so wait this aired two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight, so the Notebook score was done. We
Speaker 3: have probably done the workshop, maybe maybe the year prior,
Speaker 3: which is also probably why they knew that that nineteen
Speaker 3: forties music was in my wheelhouse.
Speaker 1: Because you're so Rachel McAdams.
Speaker 3: It's beful, it's so fun, and James so debonning and
Speaker 3: so just he so fit that time period so well.
Speaker 3: I remember walking. First of all, I was so excited
Speaker 3: when I got this script.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's rancs.
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. And I remember running into the trailer
Speaker 3: the first day and I opened it up and I
Speaker 3: look at James and he's hovering over the sink shaving
Speaker 3: his face. He's got half a face as shaving cream,
Speaker 3: and he looks up because I really flung the door open.
Speaker 3: I'm glad he didn't cut himself. And he looks over
Speaker 3: his shoulder at me, and I was like, are you
Speaker 3: so excited? The first day of this episode?
Speaker 6: So much fun?
Speaker 3: And he just looked at me like I had three heads,
Speaker 3: and he's like, yeah, it's gonna be fun, Joey.
Speaker 5: I just slammed the door and ran back out.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: I was super stoked. But the costumes were great, had
Speaker 3: fun with them. I didn't love the wigs, but I
Speaker 3: didn't either.
Speaker 1: Should we just go ahead and talk about the wigs?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: My wig was so bad? You guys, why did they
Speaker 3: make us wear wigs?
Speaker 1: If we come the badge right now, then we could
Speaker 1: talk about fun stuff for the last half of the episode.
Speaker 3: Hopefully everyone at home is okay with that sandwich, right, like, yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like shappetizer, but the entree and dessert
Speaker 1: are gonna be gorgeous. Guys. The wigs. The reason that
Speaker 1: they did the wigs this way is because we were
Speaker 1: doing this huge episode and they weren't giving us any
Speaker 1: more money. All the money had gone into the sets
Speaker 1: and all the extras and the cars and like all
Speaker 1: the background. It didn't go to us and so in
Speaker 1: order to do finger waves and pin curls on how many.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for different hairstyles for each scene because we had
Speaker 3: different I had some different hairstyles. Yeah, you guys had
Speaker 3: hats and yeah, I mean there was there was a
Speaker 3: lot to do the whole thing, too many other extras
Speaker 3: to do their hair too.
Speaker 1: What you didn't know they were also wedding down the
Speaker 1: streets so that it had that glisteny ill noir vibe
Speaker 1: and do you know what doesn't go together?
Speaker 3: Tell them wigs and water. Oh, turns out wigs and
Speaker 3: water and a hot We shot that in the summer,
Speaker 3: so then there was the humidity plus the cakey makeup,
Speaker 3: plus the wigs and the watered streets. It wasn't great.
Speaker 3: It was rough. Also, Yeah, I just feel like.
Speaker 6: I look like I've run a marathon, but and then
Speaker 6: like put a gown on, like I look sweaty but matted.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because.
Speaker 1: There weren't enough people to touch us up on set
Speaker 1: and also get people ready back in the trailer.
Speaker 3: Our sweet team. But I do remember as much as we.
Speaker 6: Were like, oh boy, these wigs, they're just they're just
Speaker 6: starting to do the thing in humidity that like poodles do.
Speaker 3: Uh oh.
Speaker 6: And then when they tried to figure out how to
Speaker 6: make it a little better with some of the hats, like, y'all,
Speaker 6: you two know, for any of our friends at home
Speaker 6: who haven't figured this out, if you've seen me stand
Speaker 6: next to any other living human ever, I have a
Speaker 6: giant head. It's just a really large skull. I think
Speaker 6: my parents tried to make me feel better about it
Speaker 6: when I was little, and they were like, Oh, it's
Speaker 6: just you have a big brain. I y'all, I don't
Speaker 6: fit an a vintage hat like today, like I I
Speaker 6: just don't. And and I remember being in the fitting
Speaker 6: and they just kept bringing these hats in and I
Speaker 6: was like, guys, what are we doing? And then they
Speaker 6: had to find a hat that sort of was just
Speaker 6: like a little top of the skull circle with like
Speaker 6: a front piece, and they were like, here, this doesn't
Speaker 6: have to fit around your head. It's just gonna sit
Speaker 6: on it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna pin it to you, stable to you.
Speaker 6: We're just gonna pin it onto the top of your
Speaker 6: noggin and send you in there to talk to Austin
Speaker 6: and Paul while Paul's you know, ripping a bag get apart?
Speaker 3: How cool was that? Said?
Speaker 6: By the way, my favorite, but that was like the
Speaker 6: one thing they could get to fit over my big
Speaker 6: fat head and that poofy way. It was like it
Speaker 6: was a Ramon or poor wardrobe girls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hair and makeup and wardrobe really had a time.
Speaker 1: Joy.
Speaker 6: Do you know what that's called? Like the hat that
Speaker 6: sits on the is it? Is it a It's not
Speaker 6: a fascinator. That's the British version.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: The pillbox hats sit off to the side, but they're
Speaker 3: often round and it was a little and they sit
Speaker 3: on the topdies sixties vibe. Yeah, the ones that sit
Speaker 3: on the top from the forties. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 3: It gives you a swoop like a bang.
Speaker 5: Girl's a topper.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is?
Speaker 3: A topper? That's probably it?
Speaker 1: A top had nineteen eighties mal bangs for most of
Speaker 1: this episode, like LUs shit was teased. It was so
Speaker 1: high because it would fall out because of the humidity.
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, if we just.
Speaker 5: Tease it a little, just.
Speaker 3: Teaset to make it straight, because they knew that humidity
Speaker 3: was there. What was the why don't they just make
Speaker 3: it straight. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I remember. I remember the wig fitting
Speaker 1: and I had started putting red in my hair because
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be anyone's blonde fantasy anymore. I
Speaker 1: was working over it.
Speaker 5: Clearly.
Speaker 1: The theme is that I was over everything at this point,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Oh, I'm just gonna get some
Speaker 1: red deposit shampoo and they can highlight and bleach my
Speaker 1: hair all they want, but the second I go home,
Speaker 1: it's red again. They can't do anything about it. And
Speaker 1: so when we did our when we did our fittings
Speaker 1: for these wigs, I was like, Okay, give me a
Speaker 1: red wig to match my hair now, because you can
Speaker 1: see at the beginning of the episode it's significantly darker.
Speaker 1: And producers came in and they were like, you're the
Speaker 1: blonde and I was like, yeah, but we're all kind
Speaker 1: of switching it up. So wouldn't it be cool if
Speaker 1: like Brook got to be blonde, or Haley got to
Speaker 1: be blonde, or someone else got to be blonde. And
Speaker 1: they were like, the note from the studio is that
Speaker 1: no one likes you as a redhead, and this is
Speaker 1: how we're going to get you to be blonde. Again.
Speaker 1: And what you'll see is that we've got another episode coming.
Speaker 6: Out that they made me wear the red wig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they there's another episode coming up where I
Speaker 1: have to wear a blonde wig again. They were just like,
Speaker 1: if you're not going to do what we say, we're
Speaker 1: going to write it into the script and make you uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: And it was a big deal.
Speaker 1: Big deal. And they made a point on set two
Speaker 1: of just being like, you're really not attractive as anything,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I hate it here you guys,
Speaker 1: I like my blue dress.
Speaker 6: Though your dress was so good and that asymmetrical back.
Speaker 3: Come on, it was the year of the sticky bootitty. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we all had it. Seemed like we were having the
Speaker 3: most fun in our scenes with Paul. Yes, Oh my god,
Speaker 3: the best. He was built for that era. He was
Speaker 3: built for that those those time period movies. I'm surprised
Speaker 3: it isn't done any mustache. Oh yeah, so good him
Speaker 3: sitting there a hopper and over the spaghetti with the Yeah,
Speaker 3: super super bad. Yeah, it was just so good.
Speaker 1: A second joy when he came on, he was coming
Speaker 1: back to the dressing room to see you. Can we
Speaker 1: talk about that scene because I found myself unexpectedly into it.
Speaker 3: Same we had a ball. It was so much fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but are you the.
Speaker 1: First person to voluntarily kiss Dan Scott or guess that
Speaker 1: was involuntarily.
Speaker 3: It was definitely involuntary.
Speaker 5: We're such a handsome man.
Speaker 1: No one wants to kiss him.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: It's weird too, because it was like a struggle kiss,
Speaker 3: which is like, oh, it's my friend, Like I don't know.
Speaker 3: It felt strange because we were definitely super close by
Speaker 3: then really really, you know, he was probably my best
Speaker 3: friend on the show at the time. It sorry, my
Speaker 3: brain went somewhere anyway, but I.
Speaker 1: Thinking about kissing him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have kiss Paul in real life, and he's
Speaker 3: a good kisser, and se you know, we are friends,
Speaker 3: you're not friends. You never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: But anyway, we are very impressed. But he's a good kisser,
Speaker 3: and so it was weird in that moment to be
Speaker 3: having a struggle kiss with someone who is a friend
Speaker 3: and then slapping him in the face, which I had to.
Speaker 3: He was like, just hit me. I'm like, Paul, I
Speaker 3: want to hate you. Just hit me, all right, So
Speaker 3: I smacked him. But what you saw on camera was
Speaker 3: the real deal.
Speaker 1: For sure. I liked it. I mean, look, I don't
Speaker 1: like I did too scene at all, but I liked
Speaker 1: the way you just talked.
Speaker 5: Right over him.
Speaker 1: Like there was just a chemistry there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we worked on that scene quite a bit. I
Speaker 3: remember I was having a ball. This is my dream
Speaker 3: come true to sit and do a little continental accent
Speaker 3: and wear the cute little vintage clothes, and it's like,
Speaker 3: who knows I'll ever get a chance to do this
Speaker 3: again in my life. I might as well just yuck
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 1: That was a conversation. I remember us talking about what
Speaker 1: the accent was supposed to be, like the gal Friday
Speaker 1: of it all, and how we were supposed to lean
Speaker 1: into it. I didn't. Yeah, I'm talking about I need love, guys,
Speaker 1: I need love, I.
Speaker 6: Ash.
Speaker 3: But it was tough because you guys were in an
Speaker 3: awkward position. There was there was just behind the scenes
Speaker 3: stuff that was awkward. And to have to be like
Speaker 3: stuck in these costumes and saying these things and you know, Hillary,
Speaker 3: what you're talking about, all this all the BTS stuff
Speaker 3: that you were struggling with. They were trying to strong
Speaker 3: arm you, and you know, it was uncomfortable. I think
Speaker 3: for a lot of people.
Speaker 1: My favorite part of it was because most of my
Speaker 1: scenes were with Chad and he was so excited, you guys, like,
Speaker 1: this was his dream come true. It was really really
Speaker 1: fun to be with him and and just kind of
Speaker 1: like be a part of the celebration because after every
Speaker 1: take he would be like, how was that? Did that
Speaker 1: feel okay for you? Like do you want to change anything?
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, I don't want to change anything.
Speaker 1: You're so pumped right now, buddy, I'm into it. So
Speaker 1: like you can see that I'm kind of smiling in
Speaker 1: some of these more awkward things that I have to
Speaker 1: say because I can He's hanging on every word on
Speaker 1: the other side of the camera and so pumped about it.
Speaker 1: And I just wanted it to be great for him
Speaker 1: because he was so excited.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's a fun thing to share with someone
Speaker 1: when their dream is coming true and you get to
Speaker 1: stand next to them while it happens. Taylor Swift and
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey, Yeah, it's a fun thing and so and
Speaker 1: also Paul was around a lot, and you guys know,
Speaker 1: Paul's mantra is make it work. Yeah, I admit it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense to you, like,
Speaker 1: make it work. So I need love. I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: keep saying it. Just play the recordating, I'm so irritating. Okay,
Speaker 1: skills on the piano, what's so funny as I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in my life.
Speaker 3: He was so hokey. He was just pounding his hands,
Speaker 3: like bopping around Antoine committing to the piano. Man Like,
Speaker 3: he was just having such a good time, And you're right,
Speaker 3: watching your friends just have a really good time. There's
Speaker 3: nothing better.
Speaker 6: I He made me giggle every time it cut to.
Speaker 3: Him Lee too, with the red hair, and that he
Speaker 3: really committed so hard in this episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god. I mean I bought Lee in
Speaker 1: a nineteen forties movie. I was like, is this absolute
Speaker 1: venture movie? What's happening here?
Speaker 6: Yeh?
Speaker 1: When he's all bleary eye on the bridge and like
Speaker 1: you can feel the fear on him, Yeah, he killed.
Speaker 6: Lee is so good and it was really nice to
Speaker 6: get to see his range. I think because Lee is
Speaker 6: so good at his job, sometimes he makes it look
Speaker 6: so easy that you forget how good he is. And
Speaker 6: to see him in an episode like this committing to
Speaker 6: that comedy and stumbling out of the club and falling
Speaker 6: into the trash, you know, with the bottles rish crashing,
Speaker 6: like really sort of stereotypical forties comedy. And then to
Speaker 6: your point, you get to him so afraid and I
Speaker 6: don't know, I just loved, Oh, I love to see
Speaker 6: the range. And I loved that his character got to
Speaker 6: go on a journey because at the beginning you think, like, ah,
Speaker 6: here he is like the drunk reporter who thinks he's
Speaker 6: like two big for his bridges, and then you realize
Speaker 6: he's really onto something and you know he's in danger.
Speaker 3: It's so exciting. That's tough to fit all that into
Speaker 3: one episode. You know, they were like, write a bottle episode,
Speaker 3: but it's an entire story arc. There's a whole movie
Speaker 3: in twenty eight minutes, No No forty.
Speaker 1: The last three seasons, it's everything from Keith's death to
Speaker 1: Peyton getting pregnant, and.
Speaker 3: So it's just all piled into one. Yeah, and Julian,
Speaker 3: that was fun too. I loved in the warehouse when
Speaker 3: you walk in he's talking, he just pauses and like
Speaker 3: pauses his shoes, pick around a little sugar, switch the
Speaker 3: knife up. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I loved I was gonna say in the same way
Speaker 6: I loved seeing Lee in this era, I loved seeing
Speaker 6: Austin in this era. They're so fun, those two, and
Speaker 6: it really made me want them to go do some
Speaker 6: like old timey caper together, now a caper.
Speaker 1: I feel like I can say this now because surely
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen at this point. I've been
Speaker 1: watching these episodes. There was a scene that I shot
Speaker 1: with Austin that I have not seen in any of
Speaker 1: the episodes yet, so I think they cut it. And
Speaker 1: when we are introduced to Julian, it is Peyton's in
Speaker 1: the bathroom at Trick and she's like washing her hands
Speaker 1: at the sink and someone comes in and grabs her
Speaker 1: and Percily kisses her.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I remember this.
Speaker 5: Do you remember us filming this?
Speaker 3: Yes, you filmed it, and oh yes.
Speaker 1: Because it was a huge deal that the camera that
Speaker 1: was on me as the person spins me around and
Speaker 1: is kissing me. I made these like horror show.
Speaker 5: Bug eyes, and I do it in this episode.
Speaker 1: But I made the horror show bug eyes. And they
Speaker 1: were like, hey, Hillary, we're gonna go again. But if
Speaker 1: you could keep your eyes closed, that would be great,
Speaker 1: and I was like, uh, I'm being sexually assaulted in
Speaker 1: the woman's bathroom. Yeah, I probably wouldn't lean into it.
Speaker 1: Frand yeah, they made me watch like playback to show
Speaker 1: me how ugly I looked with my bug eyes being
Speaker 1: forcibly kissed by Julian, And so they just cut it
Speaker 1: out of the episode. And I didn't say anything in
Speaker 1: the first episode that Julian was in because I was like,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm mis remembering. Maybe it's like in a later episode.
Speaker 5: But I feel like by the time we get.
Speaker 1: To the nineteen forties thing, it must have just been
Speaker 1: cut out.
Speaker 6: You remember that, I do, because I remember I remember
Speaker 6: being there. It was like one of those trick days
Speaker 6: where they're just like all stand around and yeah, because
Speaker 6: I have that like that icky feeling of just remembering
Speaker 6: how uncomfortable the whole thing was, and that must have
Speaker 6: been why right that they watched it and they were like,
Speaker 6: oh no, there's no way to make this all cool, sexy, sexy.
Speaker 3: Not sexy. It's it's literally threatening.
Speaker 6: That's horrifying, horrifying.
Speaker 1: We shot it so many times, so many times.
Speaker 6: And that anyone could write it and go this will work.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is a good idea.
Speaker 1: This is a.
Speaker 3: Normal thing for a person to do to another person.
Speaker 5: They like this.
Speaker 1: No, I love seeing Austin be this bad guy and
Speaker 1: that's what reminded me of it in this episode is
Speaker 1: that he can be dastardly and it's cute.
Speaker 3: It's not he really leans into it so fun. Why
Speaker 3: was Joe in this episode?
Speaker 5: Sir Chad could punish it?
Speaker 3: This brought him all the way out for this episode,
Speaker 3: but he didn't do anything. And not that I don't
Speaker 3: love watching Joe on screen. I just was like, why what?
Speaker 3: There's no storyline, there's what's happening?
Speaker 1: Girl? I just there's certain things like why is Brooke
Speaker 1: a bad guy? Like a vicious, two faced bad guy
Speaker 1: in this episode?
Speaker 3: So dumb? Yeah? Yeah, you didn't really have any They
Speaker 3: didn't give you much depth or I don't mean, I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that you don't bring depth to your character.
Speaker 3: It's just that it was like on the page, like
Speaker 3: what what are you there for? What are you trying
Speaker 3: to do?
Speaker 6: There was a lot, I think, and I don't remember
Speaker 6: if there was something else going on when we were
Speaker 6: shooting this. I'm not even sure I was supposed to
Speaker 6: be in this episode, How would.
Speaker 5: We do it without Brook?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: You were? No, you were? How can we do that?
Speaker 6: I just remember, like there, I don't remember why it's
Speaker 6: been so long. I don't remember if I was supposed
Speaker 6: to be doing something else, or we were traveling for something,
Speaker 6: or I don't know, but I remember the panic of
Speaker 6: having to insert scenes for me into this episode, like
Speaker 6: right at the eleventh hour.
Speaker 1: Ooh weird.
Speaker 6: I think many of you guys had like more fleshed
Speaker 6: out stories, and then with me, it was like, oh,
Speaker 6: uh no, make or do this?
Speaker 3: I don't know, make or do this? Yeah, maybe we
Speaker 3: need a reason to shoot Peyton.
Speaker 6: Let's make it Brooke, which, like you know, in the
Speaker 6: in the grand scheme of our show doesn't track for
Speaker 6: our characters, especially where they are together in season six.
Speaker 6: But I think I think sometimes when you're like when
Speaker 6: there's a panic shift right before you know a big
Speaker 6: show's getting shot and there's things like wigs melting, they're
Speaker 6: less concerned with us.
Speaker 3: Did they give did don't even have a reason in
Speaker 3: this episode to be so? I mean, was it just
Speaker 3: like just jealousy? She just didn't like.
Speaker 5: She just wanted that Lucas guy. She just wanted real.
Speaker 6: She just wanted her problems with money and men to
Speaker 6: be fixed.
Speaker 3: Some somebody needs to affects my problem.
Speaker 1: I would have gladly given you the dove necklace storyline.
Speaker 3: Babe, listen, you mean you wanted me to twirl for you? Yes,
Speaker 3: there was so much that could have happened, and I
Speaker 3: love to see team up on something BLF like solving
Speaker 3: a crime.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I would have been very cool. I would have been fun.
Speaker 3: But that might have been if we'd been directing the episode. Joyce.
Speaker 1: Well, but also to that point when you have a
Speaker 1: very young writer and you don't sit down and do
Speaker 1: like all the read throughs, and what are the female
Speaker 1: writers in the room have to say about it? And
Speaker 1: what is some of the older writers the other young writers,
Speaker 1: They didn't workshop it with him in a way that
Speaker 1: could have helped him, and I think, I'll just say it.
Speaker 1: I think that they were like, oh, you think you
Speaker 1: can write an episode? Okay? Yeah? Took everything really, really
Speaker 1: literally because he had the audacity to want to try something,
Speaker 1: and so that was part of the reason that I
Speaker 1: was like, I want to commit to this shit. I
Speaker 1: gotta say just because we're gonna stick it.
Speaker 3: To them, prove them wrong.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's get them.
Speaker 3: Such a different time peer if it wasn't that long ago,
Speaker 3: But it just feels so different. I look at there's
Speaker 3: so much encouragement now. I feel like for young artists
Speaker 3: and people who are established in one thing and wanted
Speaker 3: to try and do something else, it feels like there's
Speaker 3: this constant available community of people going, yes, I want
Speaker 3: to see you succeed. I want to see you try this,
Speaker 3: try that. Great. And I don't know why it was
Speaker 3: back then they were like, no day in your lane.
Speaker 6: I think we're much more in a we're much more
Speaker 6: in a culture of mentorship.
Speaker 3: Yeah than we were then.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: For so long there was this gatekeeping attitude about like,
Speaker 6: well I managed to get in the door, so I
Speaker 6: can't let anybody else in after me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to earn just the way I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And I think when enough of us started figuring out
Speaker 6: how to climb through the window, we were like, well,
Speaker 6: this feels dumb. If we just open the door and
Speaker 6: let everybody in, the vibes are going to be better
Speaker 6: in here.
Speaker 3: People are happier, better ideas, yes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And so I think that that shift has been
Speaker 6: so monumental, but it is worth remembering that we were
Speaker 6: really in an era where we weren't encouraged, let alone supported,
Speaker 6: And you know, I do remember when scenes were written
Speaker 6: for me. Finally in this episode saying to the powers
Speaker 6: that be, I find what you've done, Like, I know
Speaker 6: you're on a time crunch, and you know we're building
Speaker 6: these sets and we're doing these things, and you're approving
Speaker 6: all this stuff and you're renting picture vehicles and it's
Speaker 6: it's it's a whole undertaking.
Speaker 3: I get that.
Speaker 6: And you've turned these things around for me in twelve hours,
Speaker 6: and I I find them to be rather demeaning. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and that, and then it's you know, you get met
Speaker 6: with oh, don't take it. Oh come on, you're being
Speaker 6: too sensitive. This is ridiculous. It's we need a foil,
Speaker 6: we need and it's like, hmmm, do you And and
Speaker 6: the thing that stood out to me thinking about that
Speaker 6: watching the episode was actually hillary that we even had
Speaker 6: a little something repeated between Peyton and Brooke Brooks like
Speaker 6: fix my.
Speaker 3: Problems with men and with money. And then you even.
Speaker 6: Say like, well, what do I have to do short
Speaker 6: of throwing myself at you? By the way, more power
Speaker 6: to people. But it did it did feel a little reductive,
Speaker 6: and I and I think it's an interesting point that
Speaker 6: you make a you know, we can talk about now
Speaker 6: what was happening behind the scenes and be that even
Speaker 6: where whacking this mentorship vibe that we all work so
Speaker 6: hard at now even where when someone was being supported,
Speaker 6: they were still being undercut at the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then, yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: That's what it was.
Speaker 1: It was like they gave him a yes, but they
Speaker 1: withheld full support. And I think everyone Chad could still
Speaker 1: be writing television if he'd had full support and he
Speaker 1: had a moss that was like, I'm going to mentor you.
Speaker 5: If this is a.
Speaker 1: Goal of yours, let me help you do it, and
Speaker 1: like really like learn the ropes. And that's why, like
Speaker 1: when I go to see Megan Parks movies, she was
Speaker 1: on a teen drama, she had to say crazy shit
Speaker 1: on her team. She was surrounded by mentors and people
Speaker 1: that were like women, Oh, we're going to introduce you
Speaker 1: to this writer's group, and we're going to introduce you
Speaker 1: to these female directors and they're going to raise you up,
Speaker 1: you know, to be the next generation of leaders. And
Speaker 1: we kind of we missed the boat on that. But
Speaker 1: that said, we looked cute in our weird wigs.
Speaker 6: But you know what I do appreciate, to be honest,
Speaker 6: is that even though look, the environment on our show
Speaker 6: for us, especially as women, could not have been more
Speaker 6: different from the environment on our friend Megan show. But
Speaker 6: we navigated around it. We worked around it, we figured
Speaker 6: it out of it. We supported each other's art, we
Speaker 6: supported each other's ideas, we supported each other's music writing directing.
Speaker 6: Like we we we may have had to claw our
Speaker 6: way into those spaces, but we were undeterred. So you know,
Speaker 6: I say, that's I say, fascinator topper.
Speaker 5: What do we call them?
Speaker 6: Whoppers?
Speaker 5: Off tops?
Speaker 6: Toppers, off toppers? Off to you, my guests.
Speaker 5: Did you guys ever see Bugsy Malone?
Speaker 1: We got Bayou and Jody Fosters.
Speaker 3: No, it's like little kids doing a gangster movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's terrible, right, It's like a little
Speaker 1: kid It was a really famous director, joy who was that.
Speaker 1: It was a very famous director, like an Oscar winning
Speaker 1: director that did this movie. It's all little kids doing
Speaker 1: a gangster movie and instead of shooting each other with guns,
Speaker 1: they're like throwing pies at each other and that's why
Speaker 1: they kill each other. And it's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: The musical too right, I don't think, so.
Speaker 1: So fun to watch. And so that was the energy
Speaker 1: that I personally took into this episode. I was like, Hey, yay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna Bugsy Malone.
Speaker 6: It Alan Parker starring Jody Foster, Scott Bayo, Florence Garland.
Speaker 1: They like shot it in London. They spent a ton
Speaker 1: of money on it. It was a deal.
Speaker 3: I do appreciate that they, even though they knew the
Speaker 3: writing was like, they weren't giving job the support that
Speaker 3: he needed. I appreciate that they at least trusted us
Speaker 3: enough to bring in depth and ideas and things to
Speaker 3: the characters that they knew they could throw something at
Speaker 3: us at the last minute, especially you, so with like
Speaker 3: last minute pages and know that we were all gonna
Speaker 3: show up. I mean, at least they at least that
Speaker 3: burden on our shoulders. They knew we could carry.
Speaker 1: What was your theme movie when you were like we
Speaker 1: all had such different storylines. You're the fem fatale, so
Speaker 1: enjoy I mean, you are just the the Humphrey Bogart,
Speaker 1: Laura Becall, Yes.
Speaker 3: The Barbara Stanwick, Like, Uh, I don't know what the
Speaker 3: movie is. There's one. There is one movie with Barbara
Speaker 3: Stanwick in a dressing room. Actually, I think is when
Speaker 3: it opens.
Speaker 6: Oh, so it's like it's like a real reference.
Speaker 3: It might have been. I can't believe we got Casablanca
Speaker 3: by the way, right, so cool for the opening scene.
Speaker 3: Casablanca was in the opening scene of our show.
Speaker 1: Because we didn't have any expensive bands. We had your
Speaker 1: music and we had I think two other songs that
Speaker 1: really stood out, but we weren't paying like you know,
Speaker 1: Aerosmith or sometimes he would get those really expensive songs.
Speaker 6: And who owns Is that a movie? Like is Casabanca
Speaker 6: owned by Warner Brothers?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably isn't. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think that being part of such like an old
Speaker 6: iconic studio might have really helped us out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in that moment. What was your inspirational movie? Hill
Speaker 3: bugsy Malones? Oh for this, that was the energy you
Speaker 3: went in with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, would you would you watch the prep.
Speaker 3: I didn't need to watch anything. I watched all of
Speaker 3: them my whole life. I've been watching preping for that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're like I.
Speaker 6: Was, I literally was writing the music for years. Enjoy
Speaker 6: you manifested this episode.
Speaker 3: I probably did.
Speaker 5: Did you plant this seed in chat Hen?
Speaker 3: Why aren't we doing our period piece?
Speaker 1: Did your notebook adaptation influence him?
Speaker 3: It might have might have done. I don't know.
Speaker 5: That's cool.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I have to ask him. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: sure was happy. Oh when we went out to that
Speaker 3: airplane hangar, that was really fun too. That was going
Speaker 3: out all the rain, and I remember filming out there.
Speaker 3: They drove us out. I don't know where it was.
Speaker 3: It was like forty five minutes away some airplane hangar.
Speaker 3: They brought in an old, giant, old airplane. This is
Speaker 3: before CGI was something that they could do easily. They
Speaker 3: were like, no's we actually need an old aircraft from
Speaker 3: the forties.
Speaker 6: Didn't it come from like am I remembering this correctly?
Speaker 6: Didn't that come somehow through the air show? Like we'd
Speaker 6: all go to the air show every year, and I
Speaker 6: feel like it was somebody associated with the air show
Speaker 6: was like, oh, yeah, I know a guy who's got
Speaker 6: a whatever plane in his old collection, like that kind
Speaker 6: of weird where you're like, is this real life? People
Speaker 6: have conversations like this. You know a man with a
Speaker 6: collectible warplane? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right, all the wig money was in that plane. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: that looked beautiful. It reminded me of like Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: And there was a resurgence of interest in World War
Speaker 1: Two during that time. I mean, I feel like so
Speaker 1: many movies about World War Two came out when we
Speaker 1: were in high school. Saving Private Ryan and Pearl Harbor
Speaker 1: came out when we were like nineteen, and then I
Speaker 1: feel like there were a couple other movies that all
Speaker 1: really like fell into this theme. And I don't remember
Speaker 1: why was there an anniversary or something like it had
Speaker 1: infiltrated our pop culture to the point that you got
Speaker 1: Peyton walking along the bridge like, I'm not sure how
Speaker 1: I feel about the war.
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, I could be a nurse.
Speaker 1: Peyton Sawyer would know exactly how she felt about everything.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why World War two was such
Speaker 1: a bop.
Speaker 6: I wonder what it was you saying that makes me think, Oh,
Speaker 6: all the things we think, you know, watching the episode
Speaker 6: and then looking back on it, you saying we could
Speaker 6: have teamed up and done something. I'm like, Oh, wouldn't
Speaker 6: it have been neat for Peyton to go and argue
Speaker 6: that she wanted to write an opinion piece about the
Speaker 6: war for the newspaper to Mountain. Yes, yes, that would
Speaker 6: have been cool.
Speaker 1: Of course, we could have just lived in this world
Speaker 1: for a few more episodes.
Speaker 6: Honestly, if there was a caper, I'd have been so in.
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, you guys, we're going to do a little
Speaker 1: bit of imagination right now because I need your opinions
Speaker 1: on that weird twist about Dan and Peyton's mother being
Speaker 1: in love and what that means for Lucas and Peyton
Speaker 1: and why was in there?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, use they were making it seem like you
Speaker 6: might actually be his sister. Yes, that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: And it made me feel kind of icky.
Speaker 3: Wait his sister Dan and Peyton's mother.
Speaker 6: If Dan and Peyton's mom had been together.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that make her his stepdaughter.
Speaker 5: We never put a time on it.
Speaker 3: It sort of made it seem like, is Dan Peyton's dad, right?
Speaker 6: And yeah he were yeah, yeah yeah, and also Lucas's dad.
Speaker 6: They would be half siblings. I don't know it, it
Speaker 6: definitely it definitely rang like an icky bell for me.
Speaker 3: Oh, you'd make Lucas's sister you're talking about Oh oh oh,
Speaker 3: I see ew.
Speaker 1: It was confusing for me.
Speaker 3: I didn't catch because it came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: It was like, wow, are you hanging out with that man?
Speaker 1: And instead of I put in my notes, is Peyton
Speaker 1: a sugar baby?
Speaker 3: Like not?
Speaker 1: No? Uh? I think everyone knew at that point too
Speaker 1: that I liked much older dudes. So I'm watching the
Speaker 1: episode just like, yeah, all right, Like Peyton's hanging out
Speaker 1: with Dan, this is cool.
Speaker 5: Like that's her energy, it's my energy.
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I was totally fine with it.
Speaker 1: But then it was like, I don't know why you'd
Speaker 1: hang out with Dan and it's.
Speaker 5: Like, actually, he was working my mom, not me. It
Speaker 5: was so weird.
Speaker 1: It was so like soap obra, which is cool, but
Speaker 1: it made me confused because I'm like, but wait, now
Speaker 1: we're gonna kiss? Yeah? Yeah, tree Hill's two small folks
Speaker 1: even in the forties.
Speaker 5: Lucas shoots Julian. Then Dan says, isn't this fun?
Speaker 3: Wait?
Speaker 5: What did he say? He goes, isn't this fun?
Speaker 3: Isn't this fun? Right after Lucas shoots Julian.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I loved it. Yeah, I really liked being
Speaker 1: with Dan in this episode.
Speaker 3: He was my favorite.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bad guys always make sense, and maybe this is
Speaker 1: why I'm attracted to like a bad guy in real life.
Speaker 1: They know what they want, they're not apologetic about it.
Speaker 1: They just go and they get it. And so playing
Speaker 1: a bad guy always makes sense because you don't play
Speaker 1: by anybody else's rule. But when you have to play
Speaker 1: the moral center with the dove necklace and like tell everybody.
Speaker 5: All about it, you had to play by all of these.
Speaker 1: Like ethical rules that I don't know, get kind of muddy.
Speaker 1: I would rather be the psychopath. Paul had so much fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Paul had a lot of fun. I wish they
Speaker 3: had not tokenized abusing women as like the here's how
Speaker 3: you're a bad guy. You know, here's how we know
Speaker 3: he's a bad guy. It was kind of gross. It
Speaker 3: just felt like a little too I don't know easy.
Speaker 1: I got slapped on my ass and on my face.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't like the face too.
Speaker 3: It was awful. It just wasn't great. No, No, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think he enjoyed it much. I mean, he
Speaker 3: likes being a bad guy, but having to having to
Speaker 3: go around like man handling everybody and trying to I
Speaker 3: remember him feeling like talking about how uncomfortable this was.
Speaker 3: He was like, this is not I don't I don't
Speaker 3: mind being a bad guy, a gangster with the dudes,
Speaker 3: but why does it all Why did it have to
Speaker 3: be with all three women? He has to be so
Speaker 3: physically aggressive? It was gross and unnecessary.
Speaker 1: Did Dan ever hit a chick on our show?
Speaker 5: I remember when.
Speaker 1: The girl who knew that he shot Keith, he came
Speaker 1: into her house and he just standing there was super scary.
Speaker 1: But he did he ever lay hands on deb or Karen. No.
Speaker 6: The only person he ever got physical with at all
Speaker 6: was Carrie, and he pushed her up against the wall
Speaker 6: of the hotel room, remember, and said if you come
Speaker 6: after my grandson again, I'll kill you.
Speaker 3: But which didn't really have anything to do with her
Speaker 3: being a woman and him having a disdain for women.
Speaker 3: It was like, you are a threat to my family.
Speaker 3: I don't care what gender you are, and you have
Speaker 3: a problem. You have to stop.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I remember us talking about it even in
Speaker 6: that episode, how it was intimidating, but it felt accurate
Speaker 6: and you understood the reaction from him.
Speaker 3: I mean, she kidnapped a child and self defense with
Speaker 3: her on the cornfield too, Sam, he had like.
Speaker 6: Two people going at each other who are both a
Speaker 6: bit threatening.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, I don't.
Speaker 6: Think that was ever really Paul's you know, even as
Speaker 6: Dan as mo. So it did feel really it felt
Speaker 6: heightened to a point of yeah, of discomfort in this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just so many other ways to let somebody
Speaker 3: know that you're a bad guy. And you know, an
Speaker 3: episode when we've got forty five minutes to film stuff like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it would have been better to do.
Speaker 5: Somebody was working for stuff out Besides.
Speaker 3: That, I know he was having a lot of fun.
Speaker 6: Poor Paul too, because he's just he was always our protector.
Speaker 6: Like Paul was like, you know, he's the lion king
Speaker 6: for us.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Dead.
Speaker 6: You know, he's moved, and poor Paul in this episode
Speaker 6: has to like be the bully and he's only ever
Speaker 6: been our protector. Oh god, I just know it broke
Speaker 6: his heart. I remember to your point Joy him being
Speaker 6: so uncomfortab.
Speaker 1: And he was so sweet that he was finally getting
Speaker 1: to work with us. He never got to work with
Speaker 1: us girls. He was always working with the boys, and
Speaker 1: so it was like, oh my God, I get to
Speaker 1: play with the girls.
Speaker 5: How fun.
Speaker 1: Okay, now I'm gonna hate you.
Speaker 5: That's probably why.
Speaker 1: He wanted you to slap the shit out of him,
Speaker 1: just so it felt like fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah that actually makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see him. Yeah, that way he could say, like, no, really,
Speaker 1: I got the short end of the stick, Joy, I
Speaker 1: want to talk about I'm just going through my notes
Speaker 1: in chronological order. The tears running down your face in
Speaker 1: the airplane hangar so perfectly timed. How many takes did
Speaker 1: we do this?
Speaker 3: Professional?
Speaker 5: Baby? They were just bang bang oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was that was real. I don't know how
Speaker 3: many takes. I have no idea, but couldn't have been
Speaker 3: too many. They would have to reset my makeup all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 6: When it works out like that, though, do you ever
Speaker 6: have that moment when you know you're on your closet
Speaker 6: and you can feel those big fat tears falling in
Speaker 6: your face and you just go, oh.
Speaker 3: Nailed it. Yeah, and you're like, I know exactly when
Speaker 3: to blink what it's like.
Speaker 6: Because sometimes you sob and you're on the wide shot
Speaker 6: and you're like, cool, no one's ever going to see this,
Speaker 6: And like, when I watch moments like that for friends
Speaker 6: or even the ones that I've had, and I'm just like, God,
Speaker 6: it's so nice when you get them in the clothes us.
Speaker 3: It's so nice, you know it is. Actually I get
Speaker 3: really uncomfortable if it's not. It works for the forties thing,
Speaker 3: but it was hard for me to stand there and
Speaker 3: let the tears stay and not wipe them away because
Speaker 3: I'm such a I just in real life, like, I
Speaker 3: don't like crying in front of people. I don't like
Speaker 3: people having to console me while I'm crying. I'm you know,
Speaker 3: It's an issue I've had for many years, and I'm
Speaker 3: getting better at as i get older and learning how
Speaker 3: to be more vulnerable with friends. But it is definitely
Speaker 3: something that I have a physical reaction to if I'm crying.
Speaker 3: I don't want people watching me cry. I want to
Speaker 3: wipe the tears away fast.
Speaker 5: You should play Peyton Sawyers.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I don't like it, and it's hard to have
Speaker 3: a camera on you and to trust that it's okay
Speaker 3: to let the tear fall and you don't look. My
Speaker 3: pride kicks in. I'm like, oh, I look like such
Speaker 3: a weak I hate looking like I'm crying and it's okay.
Speaker 3: It's okay to just let my character be sad and
Speaker 3: let people experience that without having to just wipe the
Speaker 3: tears away and be like, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: Mine, I'm strong, looked pretty like little diamonds face. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about what I loved, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be about me, guys, Sorry your dress. No.
Speaker 5: I love when Peyton gets shot.
Speaker 1: When Peyton gets shot and I had to lay there
Speaker 1: in Chad's lap while the rain pelted me face and
Speaker 1: my face was reactively twitching to being pelted with rain,
Speaker 1: and they kept being like hard stap my face just
Speaker 1: screaming over the rain towers while we're filming it. I
Speaker 1: can I can see every muscle in my body tensed up.
Speaker 1: It hard, and I remember like, finally they got a
Speaker 1: take where my face wasn't just like you know, my
Speaker 1: eyeballs weren't doing weird stuff. And the pride I felt
Speaker 1: being dead for this show, uh was huge.
Speaker 5: Like I felt like I had.
Speaker 3: A calm blash.
Speaker 1: And I loved watching it back because I just remember
Speaker 1: being in Chad's lap and Chad kind of like cheering
Speaker 1: me on, like you're doing so good. Hell, it's so good.
Speaker 1: Just don't move, don't move don't move. Okay, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a little twitch, little twitch, keep it still.
Speaker 5: It was rain death is hard death.
Speaker 3: It's horrible. Well, especially at that angle the water was
Speaker 3: going up your nose. Probably it's all those little things that.
Speaker 6: Nobody thinks about until you have to be in the
Speaker 6: scene on the ground and you're like, well, my sinus
Speaker 6: cavity's filling with rain water, and my like, I'm not dead,
Speaker 6: so I am. I am twitching because I'm being hit
Speaker 6: with drops that are so big by the time they
Speaker 6: get down to the ground out of said rain tower
Speaker 6: that like, I feel like I'm being punched in the face.
Speaker 6: You don't realize how hard it is to hold still.
Speaker 1: Well, for all of you guys at home who want
Speaker 1: to try it out, just start recording yourself on your
Speaker 1: phone and then take the sprayer at your kin should
Speaker 1: sink and spray yourself in the face and full don't
Speaker 1: move a muscle, just don't.
Speaker 3: Have your friend do it. Actually, I would love to
Speaker 3: see this trend happen all over TikTok. Friends bring each
Speaker 3: other in the face the insired death.
Speaker 6: By the way, it should be two girls, because watching
Speaker 6: you do this made me think about what happened to
Speaker 6: me in season eight that we talked about joy when
Speaker 6: we did our big car accident.
Speaker 3: In the rain.
Speaker 6: Yes, and I'm watching you in this episode in Chad's lap,
Speaker 6: obviously trying not to twitch, and I'm just remembering also
Speaker 6: getting screamed at over the bullhorn to stop twitching when
Speaker 6: I was supposed to be passed out in the road
Speaker 6: under the rain tower and Austin was doing CPR on me,
Speaker 6: so like myst no, and they were just like, look
Speaker 6: more dead. You're supposed to be dead, and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, Hi, this is how okay?
Speaker 6: And you do you're hot?
Speaker 3: Yeah, your eyes twitched the whole thing. I had to
Speaker 3: do a movie once where they I had to go
Speaker 3: under a bathtub and be no, no bubbles, no nothing.
Speaker 3: That the shot was me in placid water under the
Speaker 3: bathtub with my eyes open. It's so hard and in
Speaker 3: the scripture like okay, sure whatever, I mean, we must
Speaker 3: have done fifteen takes. I couldn't do it. I had
Speaker 3: to hold my no. The director's finally like just hold
Speaker 3: your nose, just it's okay. We got to get out
Speaker 3: of here, and I was like, just give me one more,
Speaker 3: give me one more. I'm gonna make it worth your while,
Speaker 3: and I like, I did it. I sucked it up.
Speaker 3: It was torture. Water filled my entire sinus cavity and
Speaker 3: I did not move and I let the water get
Speaker 3: perfectly still and laid there with my eyes open, like
Speaker 3: I went through labor. I can do this, but let
Speaker 3: me tell you, it was incredibly uncomfortable. It's painful.
Speaker 6: I mean, we have human reflexes to keep us alive,
Speaker 6: and you don't realize how strong they are until someone
Speaker 6: tells you not to do them, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 6: it turns out this is my literal fight or flight
Speaker 6: in stang time.
Speaker 3: You can't drown yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's awful. I loved it. Oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is one of those episodes my husband can't watch see
Speaker 1: me doing the spin and I'll never take.
Speaker 6: Never live it down spring real quick for me, Hilary,
Speaker 6: What do you need?
Speaker 3: I need love.
Speaker 5: I need for freedom, like the duve.
Speaker 6: You know what, though, I feel like George would like
Speaker 6: that scene, Yes she might.
Speaker 1: No, George thinks I'm a big dork, which is cool
Speaker 1: of her. I just, oh my god, y'all, speaking of
Speaker 1: I just watched Heathers with Gus and Veronica Sawyer. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, like Peyton Sawyer's Veronica Sawyer and Gus's
Speaker 1: brain exploded. That's my sidebar. That's my sidebar to come
Speaker 1: back to the present. How are we going to get
Speaker 1: out of this time travel?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: Is there maybe a fan question which might bookend time
Speaker 6: travel for us? Is there an ending moment you guys want?
Speaker 3: I mean the fan questions from Julie's it's questions about
Speaker 3: the costume, which we've talked about. She's asking if we
Speaker 3: had old techniques with makeup, lighting and hairstyles. I don't
Speaker 3: know if there were any particular older tech I mean
Speaker 3: I do know the hair and makeup team was really
Speaker 3: doing a lot of research before we came in. They
Speaker 3: had all their books out, all their costume books and everything.
Speaker 1: Sophia had the coolest manicure, and I remember being so
Speaker 1: jealous because you had the moon I did.
Speaker 3: I got that a cool half moon thing memory.
Speaker 6: I loved that and they made me get like long
Speaker 6: fake nails. I felt so fancy and I couldn't do
Speaker 6: anything like I couldn't text. I was like, how do
Speaker 6: people what is happening here? And I think about that
Speaker 6: even today, like nail art has gone to a whole
Speaker 6: other place.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, but how do you load your dishwasher?
Speaker 6: I'm not capable, but it looked pretty I sure did.
Speaker 6: It was very cool to see, to your point, joy
Speaker 6: like and even with the research about the manicure Hill,
Speaker 6: the books of references that our hair and makeup team pulled,
Speaker 6: you know, for everybody at home. They were looking at
Speaker 6: everything from the way women wore lashes than to the
Speaker 6: shape of eyebrows to like, you know that really pointy
Speaker 6: cupid's bow that people would do with lipliner. Yeah, the
Speaker 6: way the curls were set. It was so I don't know,
Speaker 6: it was just so specific, and it was really cool
Speaker 6: to see our team take us so in depth.
Speaker 5: We didn't.
Speaker 6: I didn't love my wig at all, but I did
Speaker 6: love the research that went into making it.
Speaker 3: It was pretty cool.
Speaker 6: Like wearing it, I was just itchy the whole time
Speaker 6: it was they had to give me. They broke one
Speaker 6: of those little combs, like off off of the little
Speaker 6: teeth thing off of a comb for me, and I
Speaker 6: kept it in my bag and I'd just like stick
Speaker 6: it in between the edges of the way because I
Speaker 6: was so itchy all day.
Speaker 5: It's like having a broken arm.
Speaker 1: Oh, you just had to get that like itcher in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and all the glue that they had to put
Speaker 3: on that was you had to take off every night
Speaker 3: with alcohol or actone or whatever to peel it off
Speaker 3: your face. For the wig, oh, for the drama.
Speaker 1: I was reading a book about the South American jaguar preserve.
Speaker 3: I love that you're bringing it around with how we
Speaker 3: started this, and you saying you knew exactly what book
Speaker 3: you were reading.
Speaker 1: And I just remember thinking, you know, it was like
Speaker 1: three o'clock in the morning, We're all itchy, we're all wet.
Speaker 1: I've got sticky blood all over me. I've been laying
Speaker 1: on the ground getting spray in the face. I just
Speaker 1: remember thinking, well, at least I'm not kidding, like it
Speaker 1: could be what I'm just reading about them like eating people,
Speaker 1: like on vicerrating people. And I was like, well, at.
Speaker 6: Least it's nice.
Speaker 1: It's not that that'll be Chad's next episode.
Speaker 5: There's a jaguar loosent Tree.
Speaker 3: Hill that should have happened. Honorable mentions. Lee Norris crashed. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's my yellow ribbon unanimous vote. I love it.
Speaker 6: Great should we celebrate by spinning a wheel?
Speaker 3: I love that idea.
Speaker 1: Man, you guys, we have the most likely to be
Speaker 1: the next bachelor or bachelorette.
Speaker 3: Oh Rachel, wasn't that? I feel like we've had this
Speaker 3: question before. Maybe not, but I would say, Rachel.
Speaker 1: Oh gig, that little hussy, oh gg would be so good.
Speaker 6: And by the way, now that they're doing like parents,
Speaker 6: I don't love this golden term, so I don't want
Speaker 6: to use it. But what I would give to see
Speaker 6: both deb and Barbara on the on the Bachelorette.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: I want to see that woman being courted like the
Speaker 6: sexy minx that she is. Y just like men falling
Speaker 6: all over themselves to get close to Barbara.
Speaker 3: I'm in yeah, yeah, but like quality men. And if
Speaker 3: we could find a whole entire room full of really
Speaker 3: we should vet We'll vet them network. We should be
Speaker 3: the committee one thousand.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, we could pitch this.
Speaker 6: Maybe we should take these details.
Speaker 1: Out of this episode.
Speaker 5: Yes, all right, friends.
Speaker 1: Next episode. We're gonna love the next episode. I promise
Speaker 1: it is Season six, episode twelve. You have to be joking.
Speaker 1: Autopsy of the Devil's Brain.
Speaker 3: Wow, don't remember this at all. Oh boy, I guess
Speaker 3: we'll be refreshed.
Speaker 1: Oh, Peyton still down on the ground, so I'm sure
Speaker 1: we'll be in the hospital.
Speaker 3: Cool, that's right. Do you know what's wrong with you? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't remember. Oh I think I do too.
Speaker 3: Dun't tune in next week, ladies and gentlemen, to see
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