1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the program. Mark Vanjama and 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: John Harris with you tonight as we take you to 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: the Hunday Texans Mobile radio studio. There's plenty to discuss 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: as always, Houston Texans in the news as always, and 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: we've got some other stuff going on around the National 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Football League as well, and you never know what comes 7 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: up on the program. Johnny, how you doing, my friend? 8 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: I am doing very well. Mark. Earlier today shot some 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: Texans film room, some historical ones, taking a look back, 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: and basically we went as far back as we could 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: that our film department had, which was two thousand and seven, 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: so some really interesting stuff to look back at and go, 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: oh man, I forgot about that. I forgot about this. 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: And one of them that we looked at was the 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: Tja Yates to Kevin Walter touchdown, which everybody knows about. 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: It's famous, we all every Texan fan, we remember that. 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: It's at the top of everybody's list. Is maybe the 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: greatest play in Texans history. As I went back and 19 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: I watched it from the all twenty two angle, it 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: should have never worked. Why it should have never? Do 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: is Walter in the slot or is he wide he's wide, 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: and so I don't let people know what I feel. 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: It should have never worked. But one Bengal, one Bengal 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: linebacker stayed with Owen Daniels too long and that allowed 25 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: Walter to break wide open and that he comes in, 26 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: he's wide, and he comes in underneath just across the 27 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: goal line. So he came in behind two receivers. So 28 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: Owen Daniels and I think it was Derek Mason that game, 29 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: they both run to the goal line and kind of 30 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: hitch up. Essentially, what they were doing was creating a 31 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,279 Speaker 1: pick route for for Walter. But the Bengals were in zone. 32 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: So if the linebacker doesn't stay with Owen Daniels and 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: he actually plays his zone and picks up Walter, there's 34 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: nobody open, nobody, And you'll see it on on Texas 35 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: Film Room on Texas three sixty. But there's nobody open, nobody. 36 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: What that linebacker messed it up. That one guy messed 37 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: it up, and Kevin got to the open spot and 38 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: it was touchdown. Well, we're doing a fifty three on 39 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: that play that game, actually, and Yates and I did 40 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: not a film room, but we did a rewatch right 41 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: on Zoom. The game was rolling in fast motion, no 42 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: time between the snaps, and it was interesting to hear 43 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: TJ's perspective on everything, and you didn't have time to 44 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: set up the plays really because it was just coming 45 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: in one after another. So the seventeen yards scramble on 46 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: third and fifteen, you know, you knew that was coming. 47 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: Daniels had a great one handed catch on that drive earlier, 48 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: and he was really confident in the play to Walter 49 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: that that would work. As I recall, look, rookie, yay, 50 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: I don't want to take away his confidence, right whatever 51 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: he had at that particular moment, he threw for three 52 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: hundred yards in that game. That clincher so cool. I 53 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: can't wait to see that. And by the way, we've 54 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: got something coming out this week called Building the Texans, 55 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: which is a episodic series of Building the twenty twenty 56 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: one Texans, which obviously just a lot of work to 57 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 1: do and much of it already underway. And this first 58 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: episode that's coming out this week is really the introduction 59 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: of Nick Kisserio and David Culley, and we get them 60 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: behind the scenes so you have exclusive footage. It's gonna 61 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: be fun and I can't wait for episodes two and 62 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: three when you get inside the building more in depth. 63 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: We're inside the building now, but more in depth into 64 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: what they're doing lately. But it's a way to launch 65 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: that series and something to look forward to. I know 66 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna do some programming on it a little bit 67 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: later on during the week, so I know you're fired 68 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: up about that. Yeah, it's that's something that that you 69 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: and I've talked about Tyler Sutofs wanted to do for 70 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: a while, and I can't wait. I can't wait to 71 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: see it. That I love when the teams around the 72 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: league have done it, and we finally got an opportunity 73 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: to do it, So I can't wait. It's I'm so 74 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: excited to see it. You know. We look, we're coming 75 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: out four and twelve here and this is a major 76 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: project to get the twenty twenty one Texans contending again 77 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: in the AFC South. But one thing we're getting here 78 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: is access that we've never gotten. You know, you and 79 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: I just getting into training camp the way he did 80 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: last year during a COVID year, and then during the 81 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: year getting all the micdups that we got. Look, we'd 82 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: all rather win and have no access. I get it. 83 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: Just you want your access on Sundays. But it's cool 84 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: to see what happens under the hood in these games 85 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: and all the micdups we have on YouTube on our 86 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: YouTube channel, people can go check that stuff out there. Anyway, 87 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: Let's get to some of the business of the day, 88 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: as in no particular order. Earlier in the day it 89 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:31,119 Speaker 1: was reported that David Johnson and the Texans redid his deal. So, look, 90 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: it's less cumbersome on the team financially, it keeps David 91 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: around here. I'm sure he's not going to be the 92 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: only option, like we discussed last week when they cut 93 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: ties with Duke Johnson. So I think that David Johnson, look, 94 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: he'll be one of the backs in the mix for 95 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. I expect to stable your thoughts on 96 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: how he might fit in to this running attack that 97 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: we know very little about right now. We really they 98 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: haven't committed to anything. We assume more zone blocking in 99 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, but we don't really know for sure. 100 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: We're making some assumptions here. They're not gonna show their 101 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: hands just yet. I imagine we'll get more information as 102 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: the weeks go by. But this is what we've got 103 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: to work with right now. Yeah, no doubt. I when 104 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: you think about, you know, David, there were some moments 105 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, especially near the end of the season, 106 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: where you're like, whoa, Okay, yeah, that that fits. And 107 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: I think what fits more for him is just being 108 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: a better zone runner than he is anything else. And look, 109 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: we're all we're all comfortable doing a certain sort of thing, 110 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: and when David runs the football, that's what he is 111 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: most comfortable doing. And I was watching the Bengals game 112 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: I think it was the other day, and just seeing 113 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: some of the cuts and some of the things that 114 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: he sees out of that zone game that it was like, wow, man, 115 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 1: let's okay, let's continue to do those kind of things. 116 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: So there's some of that, and look, David end up 117 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: getting COVID, he got banged up with the concussion, you know, 118 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: any kind of momentum to him that that started. I 119 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: remember going to Jacksonville right after the bye week was 120 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: a week nine we gay I camemember what it was, 121 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: we gaate I think it was week nine either way, 122 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: and he comes out of the game and right out 123 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: of the shoot zone, run cut back, big game, good 124 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: drive to start has another run to start the next 125 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: drive kind of you know, similar, not as many yards, 126 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: but then throwing the ball into flat he gets a concussion. 127 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: He's out for two three weeks. Then he comes back 128 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: and then he ends up getting COVID, so he misses 129 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: another game or two. And it was just you know start, 130 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: you know, starts and stops. And also you're getting to 131 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: a point with David that he's I hate the word 132 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: used word old. That's not the word I'm looking for 133 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: because he's way younger than either one of us. But 134 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: in football front, yes, that's well put. He is seasoned, 135 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: and for a running back, he is well seasoned, but 136 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: there's still something there. And he's a veteran. The last 137 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: thing you'd want to do is bring a bunch of 138 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: rookies into the room or young guys in the room, 139 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: and there's no veteran to help or lead or whatever 140 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: the case might be. So you bring David to camp 141 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: and look, if it doesn't work. It doesn't work, but 142 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: you bring in the camp. You gave an opportunity to compete. 143 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: I've said, I think there are plenty of running back 144 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: options in this draft, plenty. I think you can find 145 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: one in every round. Of this draft and you can go, yeah, 146 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: even the guy at seventh time. Yes, I think there 147 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: are running backs all throughout this draft that you can 148 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: add to any offense. This offense, others, you're gonna find 149 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: a ton of running backs, big, small, short, dual threat guys, 150 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: kind of weapon X type. You got a lot of 151 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: different options. So you throw a player or two like 152 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: that with David, with Dontre Hilliard, with Buddy Howe, you 153 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: look up and think, Okay, throw them all together to 154 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: buoy your base and see what we got and let's 155 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: go from there. But bringing David back, there were some 156 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: rumor or whatever it was, there was a report about 157 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: a week ago that that was what the Texans were 158 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: angling to do. It. Now it looks like like they've 159 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: done that and we'll see what happens. But I think 160 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: from the standpoint of having a veteran around, a guy 161 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: that has had some success and did have some success 162 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: when he was doing last year what he was good 163 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: at when he was doing that, I think he was 164 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: very very good. Now by the way, he has a 165 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: way of a pass protector, an excellent pass protector, like 166 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: put linebackers on their backside. Good pass protector. So there's 167 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: always that so zone game pass protection. Hey, there's two 168 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: things that you really see from running back and you 169 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: definitely get it with David Johnson. Well, those are the pluses. 170 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: And like we said last week, one hundred and thirty 171 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: yards from scrimmage the last three games, that was the average. 172 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: So he started to show you what he can do 173 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: in I would say, in this offense. But like I 174 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: said before, we don't know what this offense really is. 175 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: I think Pep Hamilton's gonna have a major influence. You 176 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: have Tim Kelly coming back, and we just don't know 177 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: how it's all going to shape out. But that was 178 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: some news that came down. We mentioned some of the 179 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: things had happened yesterday. Today's position group, Johnny is tight ends. 180 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: We haven't done this one yet and it's one of 181 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: our faiths to talk about the Texans tight ends. And 182 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: Farrell Brown is going to be a Texan this year 183 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: for sure. He was a restricted free agent and we 184 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: love the story of him catching the ted at Cleveland. 185 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: We talked about it yesterday a little bit. He's going 186 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: into year four of his career accredited seasons and this 187 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: is a big body, Johnny. I mean, he's two sixty 188 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: six six we all remember, I think he had a 189 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: couple of runs where he was taking people with him, 190 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: giving them a ride of sorts, and it looks like 191 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy who can do a lot 192 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: of different things as a tight end, blocker, pass catcher. Look, 193 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: he's not Gronkowski or Travis Kelsey's not that kind of player. 194 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: But he's going to be able to catch a pass 195 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: or two per game that could be big plays, maybe 196 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: significant first down pickups, and certainly be a good blocker 197 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: for you. And really, this is a player I love 198 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: these stories where this time last year he wasn't on 199 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: anybody's radar involving to Houston Texans, but he ended up 200 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: being a contributor and he's going to be a contributor 201 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. Yeah, no doubt. He's I think 202 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: a guy that is highly athletic. Before the injuries, he 203 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: was a guy that I loved. I thought this guy 204 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: was gonna come to the league and do some great things, 205 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: and then the major injury had really kind of set 206 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: him back a little bit and set him back in 207 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: a big way. I think he can still play, man, 208 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: but you talk about a guy that will destroy you 209 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: in the blocking game, my goodness. And you can do 210 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: different things with him, as the Texans did. They lined 211 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: him up as a fullback, as a sniffer, as an 212 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: inline guy. They did a lot of different things with him. 213 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: And I think that's the kind of player that you 214 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: want to have, a guy that's, you know, fairly hungry 215 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: to continue to prove himself that he's worth he's worth 216 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: the investment from the team, with the effort of the 217 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: coaching staff. Financially, of course, he can do that. And 218 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,319 Speaker 1: you know, you think back to that Patriots game. He's 219 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: dragging defenders down the field. I mean, I think about 220 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: some of the blocks that he put on guys throughout 221 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: the year, a couple of key blocks on touchdown runs. 222 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: So he, to me is somebody you bring back into 223 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: the fold and you throw in with Jordan Nakins and 224 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: those two, Like all right, you know you got a 225 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: little something here now with those two guys, I feel like, hey, look, 226 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: you don't have the tight end position absolutely, you know, 227 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: lock Stock and Barrel. You still have Darren Fells under contract, 228 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: and you've got the free agency process. I mean, look 229 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: how Farrell Brown got here. I mean, he was you know, 230 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: kind of cast off and they brought him in. There 231 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: are a lot of different ways that you can continue 232 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: to improve that position, but with Farrell Brown and Jordan Nakins, 233 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: that's definitely a great place to start. Well, let's talk 234 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: about Fells here for a moment, because he isn't a 235 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: contract still and Darren Fells, who you know, played at 236 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: all sixteen games last year, the kind of player who 237 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: can help any football team. You get the feeling, yeh, 238 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: twenty one catches last year, and look the year before 239 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: he had the seven TD receptions and led the tight 240 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: ends and set the tight end franchise record for TD receptions. 241 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to expect because as we mentioned 242 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: these players names, look, they could be getting released anytime, 243 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: trade in whatever, but Falls right now is still on 244 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: the rosters. So when we do these position breakdowns, I 245 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: always have to give the disclaimer this is as of 246 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: this moment. We've done position group breakdown, various breakdowns earlier 247 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: this offseason, and you know guys have left since then 248 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: that we've evaluated, but that's just the nature of this 249 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: time of year. This is where we are at now. 250 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: Of course, we're going to do this again, probably twice 251 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: more until training camp or certainly until the regular season begins. 252 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 1: But your thoughts on Fells overall as a player. I 253 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: love him. I love interviewing him. Former pro basketball player. 254 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: I think six years as a pro basketball player overseas 255 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: really interesting guy. Yeah, no doubt. And I love that 256 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: basketball background. I think there's a lot that comes with 257 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: that type of background. When he's running a route, boxing 258 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: guys out. I mean how many times we've seen him 259 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: just box a guy out, come up with a catch, 260 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: first down, toutch down, whatever it might be. And I 261 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: remember when he was originally signed, he came into our 262 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 1: he came into our studio and he sat down and 263 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: Jordan Thomas was messed with him, and I was like, yeah, 264 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: here comes our left left tackle or our right right tackle. 265 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: And Darren Fells has been so much more than that. Yeah, 266 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: he has been a guy that can protect and camp, 267 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: run block and do those things. And he can be 268 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: that pass protector that left left tackle, right right tackle 269 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: that he envisioned. But man, he became the receiver that 270 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: we never saw coming and created a really nice synergy 271 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 1: with anybody who was under center most of the time 272 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: to Sean, but also with Aj mccarrem wh AJ played 273 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: at the end of the season, So I think that's 274 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: a guy I would feel comfortable with, no doubt, no doubt. 275 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: But I know as the season we're on, Farrell Brown 276 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: was getting a few more opportunities. But it doesn't mean 277 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: that Darren Fells doesn't have a role on this particular team. 278 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: And look from a from a leadership standpoint, a guy 279 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: that's been there. From a professional standpoint, I guarantee you 280 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: that Darren Fells is a guy in that locker room 281 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: when the guys can be in the locker room that 282 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: those young guys are looking up to. There's no question 283 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: about that. I mean, I know when I would have 284 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: him for interviews after games, I'd love talking to him 285 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: because he would always say something that I wasn't thinking 286 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: about and like, oh yeah, I hadn't really thought about that. 287 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: Okay he is. He's the epitome of the type of 288 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: professional you want to have in your locker room at 289 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: any position. So I hope that he is back. And again, 290 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: the business of football kind of gets in the way 291 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: of our conversations and in some way, shape or form, 292 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: but I think all that he offers to a team 293 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: would be valuable as we make this this move to 294 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: a new era led by David Culley's head coach and 295 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: Nick Cassario's GM. Now what about Jordan Naggins, Because when 296 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: we looked at Jordan as he was eloping first couple 297 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: of years, you thought, well, this is a guy who 298 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: could really emerge as you know, maybe a Pro Bowl 299 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: caliber tight end. He's got those kinds of chops. It 300 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: appears this year at times it looked really good. At 301 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: times it looked like something wasn't right, whether it was 302 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: an injury or whatever, you know. Toward the second half 303 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: of the season, it just didn't look the same. Some 304 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: of the numbers are okay in some of the games, 305 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: but it just didn't look the same to me from 306 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: Jordan Nakins. And this is a player you really want 307 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: to see step up because he does have a lot 308 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: of natural talent. Former pro baseball player I always like 309 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: that because guys who have been around any kind of 310 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: professional athletic situation, especially in baseball where the minor leagues 311 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: will make you appreciate everything you get as a pro 312 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: football player. I just thought it was notable how it 313 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: wasn't quite as good as it was the year before 314 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: as a total campaign, and look, it wasn't for anybody. 315 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: They were four and twelve. But what do you think 316 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: of Aikins moving into twenty one. You know, he's kind 317 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: of a I don't want to use the word enigma, 318 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: that's not the right word to use. But I felt 319 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: like Jordan was really on a fairly solid trajectory to 320 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: start the year. You know, in the first four games, 321 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: five games, whatever it was, he caught fourteen, sixteen, seventeen, 322 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: seventeen passes in the first I'm sorry, he caught ten 323 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: fourteen passes his first four games, and it looked like, wow, okay, 324 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: you know that's that's on pace for fifty six a year. 325 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: But it was in that fourth game, if you remember 326 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: where he got hit by Harrison Smith and Harry the 327 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: Harry the Hitman as they called him in Minnesota, let 328 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: him up pretty good. Harrison got thrown out of the 329 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: game with that hit, but it costs Jordan I think 330 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: three games, and that really kind of slowed his momentum down. Now, 331 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: he ended up having a huge game against New England, 332 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: but then after that it was like he never really 333 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: I think to that point, kind of got back on track. 334 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: It's two pretty big, good all games I think against 335 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: Indian Since, but he never really kind of got back 336 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: on track and back in rhythm after he had had 337 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: that start. I mean those three catches he had against Minnesota, 338 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: I think he had him in the first quarter or 339 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: the first quarter and a half yea, so he was 340 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: really kind of on his way. I thought that was 341 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: going to be kind of a breakout game for him, 342 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: and then you know, the concussion slows him down. And 343 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, we talked about David Johnson earlier in the show. 344 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: You know, he had both of them had a concussion. Obviously, 345 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: David had the COVID, Jordan didn't. But it was like 346 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: he never really kind of get back on track at 347 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: that point. And I think if he were able to 348 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: keep that momentum, I think that would be a big 349 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: thing for him. And also for Jordan, we talked about 350 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: the business of football. He's going into his fourth year. 351 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: That's a contract year, so you obviously you're going to 352 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: try and put your best foot forward. Jordan knows all 353 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: about you know, contract years and all that kind of 354 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: stuff having played baseball, but that's always an extra incentive 355 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: for a guy. I think Jordan Nakins can be the 356 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: type of tight end that they envisioned when they draft 357 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: him at twenty eighteen. He got to that point I 358 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: think last year like, okay, he's ready to kind of 359 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: turn the corner, be that guy, and then got slowed 360 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: down with the concussion. I hope that he can start 361 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one healthy and get rolling early and 362 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: keep it rolling throughout the full season. All Right, you 363 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: said that Aikins can be an enigma, but wearing what 364 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: is he he might be an enigma, the enigma of 365 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: all enigmas. Here's the water polo player. They drafted him 366 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: in the third round twenty nineteen. He gets hurt at 367 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: Green Bay in training camp practice where they were up 368 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: there for a bottle week. Finally gets on the field 369 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: this year and we saw flashes, but we didn't see 370 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: him make the case that he belongs for sure. Clearly 371 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 1: he's got a lot of athletic talent. I mean, this 372 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: is indisputable. The question is can he really improve from 373 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: year two to year three to show that he needs 374 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: to stick around, have a solid roster spot, be a 375 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: solid contributor and rise and possibly some day I'm a starter. 376 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: Sixty four million dollar question, and you know you can. 377 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: I championed his cause back when he's a rookie because 378 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people, if not all people here in 379 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: Houston weren't watching San Diego State football in twenty eighteen. 380 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: You know that was not something they were doing, you know, 381 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: late at night watching watching at ten o'clock game of 382 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: Kyllie Wearing on TV. But when I got a chance 383 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: to watch him, I'm like this guy, man, holy smokes, 384 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: He's got every attribute you're looking for, athletic to the core, 385 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: works his butt off. I know Drew had an interview. 386 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: It's funny Drew Drew's dozen with him during the season 387 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: and texting me afterwards and was like, hey, man, I 388 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: really love Kylie Wearing and he just told me what 389 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: they had talked about and how much Collie really loves football, 390 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: loves the x's nose aspect of it, and it's just 391 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: a matter of kind of learning it and digesting it 392 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: and then going out on the field after getting to 393 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: full health and then showing what he can do. Enigmas 394 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: the exact word I would use, I kind of don't 395 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: want to. I don't want to use it a bad way. 396 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: It's just you said what do we have with Kylie Wearing? 397 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know. If I rely to 398 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: my scouting report, which I still feel pretty good about. 399 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: I still think it is an NFL tight end who 400 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: has got athletic ability beyond a lot of tight ends 401 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: in this league. But through two years, there just haven't 402 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: been as many opportunities to kind of show that because 403 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: alco whole year in nineteen, so okay, he's really he's 404 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: really a rookie in twenty twenty, and then he's slowed 405 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: down kind of throughout that season, So what what do 406 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: we have? We've got a really good athlete that I 407 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: would love to say, yes, we need to see everything 408 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: that he's got. But the problem is if you take 409 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: that stance and say, Okay, Khali is gonna be our 410 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: number one guy and everybody else is just gonna be 411 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: there to compliment him, well, that's a that's a big risk. 412 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: Considering how the last two years have gone to me 413 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: with Phararell Brown and Jordan in the mix, I think 414 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: Collie's in a really good position that he can go 415 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: to training camp, he doesn't have to be the number 416 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: one guy. However, the coaching staff can kind of dangle 417 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: that Carrott saying, look, you should be our number one guy, 418 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: You should be the number one tight end. Are you 419 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: going to be that number one tight end? And see 420 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: whether he gets there and if he doesn't, and he 421 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: got Jordan Nakins and Farrell Brown at a minimum to 422 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: fall back on, boy Johnny. When you consider what they've 423 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: invested now, they haven't put first round draft choice investment 424 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: equity into the position, but they've definitely put some investment 425 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: into the position because you think about Jordan Thomas Jordan Naikins, 426 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: Aikins being a third round draft choice of twenty eighteen 427 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: wearing twenty nineteen third round draft choice. Yet they pick 428 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: up Fells as a free agent and he sets the 429 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: tight end TD reception record. They pick up Farrell Brown, 430 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: it looks pretty good. It looks like they really do 431 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: like him because they just re up with him. It's 432 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: a strange position for this team. It feels like they 433 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: just can't get it right since the Owen Daniels, Joe 434 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: Oldres and Garrett Graham era. Really they just can't get 435 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: it the way they wanted. You know, Ryan Griffin was 436 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: pretty good, there's no question about that. But they just 437 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: haven't been able to get it done the way they 438 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: would like to as a franchise at this position group. 439 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: And I think it's unfortunate Mark that we ended up 440 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: losing CJ fedor what's after after three three plus years, 441 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: because I think CJ was really on his way, but 442 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: then the concussion issues forced him into retirement. No question, 443 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: he was on his way. I mean he was, he 444 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: was there, and then the concussion issues ended his career, 445 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: and I think that was unfortunate. But but you're right, 446 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: a third rounder in Aikens, a third rounder in Kahali 447 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: wearing a six rounder Jordan Thomas. They've tried to get 448 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: the players at that position and find the right guys 449 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: at that position, and I you see glimmer you know, 450 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: glimpses of hope from all of them. If you ask me, 451 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: I think you see really good things from those guys. 452 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: But it's just a matter of can you put it 453 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: together for a full sixteen games and see where you 454 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: are see where you're at that point. In particular jord 455 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: Nakins and Kylie warn I don't think anybody's gonna be 456 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: shocked if they draft a tight end at some point 457 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: this April, not a great tight end draft. All right, 458 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: there we guys, but not a great tight end draft 459 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 1: this year. But running back is tremendous. They might have 460 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: to just piece it together. Then, all right, coming up, 461 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna play the game that everybody loves and we 462 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: usually played on Tuesday at least. That's what I'm gonna 463 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: tell you right now. Who's better? Who's better? Coaching comes up? Quarterbacks? 464 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: Come up? Let's find out. Next Dot Texans Radio X 465 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: dot Texans Radio, X dot Texans Radio. Next, Mark Vandermer, 466 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: John Harris with you Texans All Access. All right, Johnny, 467 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna play the game that everyone loves to play. 468 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: Everyone's got an opinion, so play along at home, folks. 469 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: Who's better? Are you ready to go? I'm ready to 470 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 1: go always? Okay? Now with J J. Watt going to Arizona, 471 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: there was a lot of talk about Kyle Murray the 472 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: last couple of days. So who's better Kyler? Kyler Murray 473 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: or anybody else in the NFC West. So it's basically 474 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: where does Kyler stack up with the other NFC West qbs. 475 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: You know, you have Russell Wilson, you have Jimmy Garoppolo 476 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: coming back from injury. And now you have Matt Stafford 477 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: running things with the Rams. So who's better Kyler Murray 478 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: or anybody else? I mean, I know everyone's gonna say 479 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson at the very least, and maybe Stafford two 480 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 1: as long as he's upright, but maybe not. How do 481 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: you feel Murray going into year three here? He's developing 482 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: maybe more weapons are They're obviously going to add to 483 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: the mix there before it's all said and done. I 484 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: think Russell Wilson is the number one there in that division. 485 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: I would say, this is how a lot of times 486 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: I answer who's better? Who would I want to go? 487 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: Win one game? I would take Kyler Murray, and I 488 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: would take Kyler Murray over Matt Stafford. Yeah, okay, but 489 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: but Russell Wilson number one, and that number one, Yeah, 490 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson won. But at number two, comparing Matt Stafford 491 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: and Kyla Murray. To me, number two is Kylin Murray, 492 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: Number three is Stafford. Four is Jimmy Garoppolo. Yeah, Jimmy. 493 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: But still that's a that's a pretty stout Corbec division 494 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: at that it is it is. I mean, my goodness, look, 495 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: I think Garoppolo is good. I just I think everyone 496 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: overreacted to that overthrow that missed deep Row in the 497 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. And last I checked, you are allowed to 498 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: take the field on defense and stop the opponent if 499 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: you lead in the fourth quarter, that is. However, that 500 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: did not happen for the San Francisco forty nine ers 501 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: when the Chiefs want it. Okay, here's the next two 502 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: is better? Okay? Obviously a lot of talk about Urban 503 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: Meyer here. He is big time one of the best 504 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: college coaches ever, right, I mean that question right, correct? 505 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: So who's a better pro coach prospect? Urban Meyer? He's 506 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: with Jacksonville now or anybody else in college football right 507 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: now that you would take. Would you take Urban Meyer 508 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: or the field? Would you take? Nick Saban? Back to 509 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: the NFL, he went nine and seven a year with 510 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: the Dolphins, and I think his quarterbacks there were Sage 511 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: rosen Fells and was it far Rot? Was it Gus Farrot? 512 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: I think so, I think it far And he went 513 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: nine and seven and the next year he wasn't doing 514 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: as well. Then he had the denial that he's going 515 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: to Alabama. And then yeah, you bring up Nick Saban, 516 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: That's not who I would want, Okay, because I think, 517 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: how do I say this properly? I think Nick is 518 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: wired in such a way that, especially at this point, 519 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that it would be good for him 520 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: in the NFL. But I do think it would be 521 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: good for Lincoln Riley to come to the NFL. And 522 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: how about this, I give you this coaching combination link 523 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: Riley head coach. He calls up the old sage. Why 524 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: I shouldn't say old not old sage Wyse Wade Phillips 525 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: as his defensive coordinator, and Lincoln Riley and Wade Phillips 526 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: go somewhere. How would you feel about that? It's it's 527 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: a pretty attractive combo right there. Yeah, it really is. 528 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: So I would take Lincoln Riley over Urban Meyer, Yes 529 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: I would. I would. Look. I am your Urban I 530 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: think is a fantastic coach. I think it's a fantastic 531 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: college coach. He won a lot of games because he 532 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: recruited better than everybody else. He recruited better than everybody else. 533 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: So there's always that question of Okay, can you for 534 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: seventeen weeks out of eighteen weeks motivate and continue to 535 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: keep your professional football players all thinking one thing and 536 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: as to win like you did back in college, and 537 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be kind of tough. Yea, Trevor 538 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: Lawrence is gonna make things easy. But urban Meyer won 539 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: a lot of games because of how he recruited. It 540 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: takes that out of the mix. Now, how much of 541 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: a good football coach is he? I see that with 542 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley. I see that with Lincoln Riley. Sometimes I 543 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 1: think the best college coaches are the Gary Pattersons of 544 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: the world. Not that he's the best, but guys at 545 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: that level who can't just reload all the time, like, 546 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: go get me the best quarterback, Give me two of them, 547 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, and I'll take three left tackles, 548 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: and you know, they can just have whatever they want. 549 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: It's a shopping spree in recruiting for them. But the 550 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: guys who kind of make it work year after year 551 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: and crank out winning seasons and eight and fours and 552 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: nine and threes with quote lesser talent, I hate to 553 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: insult the talent that impresses me a lot in college football, 554 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: and I think that it's very hard to say a 555 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: guy like urban Meyer is going to be better than 556 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: the best or the very best group of pro coaches 557 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes. There's a lot of excitement 558 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: intrigue around Urban Meyer being in Jacksonville. I cannot declare 559 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: that that's gonna work, right, and I'm say for sure 560 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: that is gonna work. Should anybody be shocked if Jacksonville 561 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: is not winning by next year by twenty twenty two. 562 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: How much of a disappointment is it if they don't 563 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: go to better than eight and eight in twenty twenty two. Oh, 564 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely case. Now Urban Maher I will 565 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: say he did win it Bowling Green. He did win 566 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: it Utah, give him that, But I think in the 567 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: NFL a different animal than both. He's gonna have to 568 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: draw that experience at Utah Bowling Green, and that was twenty, 569 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, seventeen, eighteen years ago at a minimum, So 570 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough. I think early on they are 571 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: gonna have some They are going to end up with 572 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,959 Speaker 1: a lot of young players. Can he and his staff 573 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: developed them into top notch NFL players. If that's the case, 574 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: then you're gonna be talking about one of the better 575 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: coaches and teams for a long time there in Jacksonville. 576 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,719 Speaker 1: I'm not quite ready to go that far yet? All right, 577 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: continuing to play who's better with John Harrison? So Johnny, 578 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: let's go right. It is to the season. It's twenty 579 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: twenty two, it's mid season. Actually, it's getting to the 580 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: postseason now it's December. Who's better Kansas City or anybody 581 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: else that you could pick in the a f C. 582 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: Has anybody caught Kansas City as the best team in 583 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: the AFC? Has Buffalo done? It is Cleveland gonna make 584 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: that move? No way is pick another team? M end 585 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: of season twenty twenty two? Yeah? Is it still the Chiefs? 586 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: At what point does it start to break down? Does 587 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: the team around Mahomes break down a little bit and 588 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: it gets to be a little bit more difficult? Still 589 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: the best quarterback? Okay, fine, but he's got a squad 590 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: around him, I know. And at some point, some points there, 591 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: I would say, their cap issues. But they're gonna have 592 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 1: some to make some decisions on guys such that either 593 00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: they're gonna be left with Kelsey Tyreek, Patrick Tyrone, Chris 594 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: Jones and then a bunch of nobodies or rookies, or 595 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to make a decision on some of 596 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: those guys because that cap hit is going to be 597 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: mean very very soon, or guys that they're starting to develop, 598 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: like Mikole Hardman, they're not going to be able to resign. 599 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: That's going to catch up with them at some point. 600 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: And maybe the Tampa Bay Bucks gave some sort of roadmap. 601 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: Now can you execute that? Can you get on the 602 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: map and do it yourself? Who's to say, But I 603 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: do think that there were at least some things to 604 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: take out of that loss that Kansas City had in 605 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, and maybe that's the kind of thing 606 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: mark that starts to slow them down a little bit. 607 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: You never know. We saw it with the Packers back 608 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: in twenty eleven. They went fifteen and one with Aaron 609 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: Rodgers and then they got knocked out of the playoffs 610 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: early on. It was kind of like the invincibility was 611 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: sort of lost for the Packers at that point. And 612 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: maybe that happens with the Chiefs. But I think twenty 613 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: twenty two trying to find the team that could overtake them. Yeah, man, 614 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this, If Carson Wentz is all that 615 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: and a bag of chips, it's the Colts oh in 616 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: the AFC. Well, if if if Carson Wentz is all 617 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: that bag of chips, but we'll see that better be 618 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: one heck of a bag of chips. Johnny, here's one more. 619 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: Who's better? Are you ready for this one? Of course? 620 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: We just did a Sam Houston state game. You're gonna 621 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: do more this? Uh? This, I would say offseason, but 622 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: it's their season because they're playing in the spring. Well, 623 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: they're gonna play the Battle of the Potty Woods again 624 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: at NRG Stadium this fall against Stephen F. Boston. So 625 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: who's better? What's better that rivalry or any other rivalry 626 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: in the Lone Star State? And think for a moment, 627 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: because how many rivalries do we really have? With the 628 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: Long Warrens and Aggie's not playing Aggie's and Red Raiders 629 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: don't play right, and you have smutcu Okay, all right? Whatever? 630 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: Uh play Rice every year? Anymore? Buy you bucket? No? 631 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's not every year? Is the Battle 632 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: of the Pine Woods? It in the Lone Star State now? 633 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: And if it is, look, that's a great rivalry, a 634 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: great name to really excellent schools. But come on, Aggie's Longhorns, 635 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: you gotta play. What are you doing? This is a 636 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: question on a talk show that should be It should 637 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: be Aggie's long wars. That should be the rivalry. Come on, 638 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: I was about to consider answering that question until I 639 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: heard you say that, and I realized, Oh, Marks only 640 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: answered asking this question because he wants to go into 641 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,959 Speaker 1: Aggie law Warner. Yep, that's all. That's all that is. 642 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: So it Listen. It's a great, great rivalry, and I 643 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: think Stephen f Is is gonna be um is taking 644 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: the program to different level. I can't wait to see 645 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: them all going to the Whack in twenty twenty one. 646 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: That's gonna be really cool. When Avelene Christian, Stephen asked 647 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: Charlton and Sam, I'll go to the Whack. It's gonna 648 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: be one heck of football conference in due time. Okay, 649 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: Coming up next, a number gets unretired for a player 650 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: we know very well. Was it the right thing to do? 651 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: Is it ever the right thing to do? We'll discuss 652 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: next on Texans Radio. Next it's Texans All Access. Mark 653 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: Vandermaer and John Harris with you all right, Johnny, here 654 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: we go with JJ Watt getting to wear number ninety 655 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: nine because they unretired the number the Cardinal franchise, which 656 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: is currently located in Phoenix as the Arizona Cardinals. Remember 657 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: they used to be the Phoenix Cardinals, and they were 658 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals, and there were the Chicago Cardinals, 659 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: which a lot of people didn't know until this week. 660 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: But Marshall Goldberg a player who no one ever heard 661 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: of until this week. I'm just kidding, but some people had. 662 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: Even McLain had to look this up. Ninety nine was 663 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: the number. It was retired by the franchise, but his 664 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: family said it's okay to unretired the number for what 665 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: he would have been honored to have. What wear his number? 666 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: I love it when people speak for other people. Maybe 667 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: Marshall Goldberg is rolling around in his grave right now saying, hey, 668 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: wait a minute, it was retired. I don't care who 669 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: JJ Watt is, or he's in heaven looking down saying 670 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: that I don't know. But if it starts to rain 671 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 1: a lot in Phoenix, you know there's a problem with 672 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: Marshall Goldberg having his number unretired. Is this the right 673 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,439 Speaker 1: thing to do or not? Your thoughts? Well, I don't 674 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: know how it came to be, But the Cardinals called 675 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: Goldberg's daughter Ellen Tulos and asked if they could have 676 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: permission to where number nine nine jjaka where number ninety 677 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: nine and Arizona and Tulos said, JJ has my blessings, 678 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: and I'm sure my father would be more than delighted 679 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: for him to carry it on. So they did the 680 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: right thing. They got the permission from the family, from 681 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: the daughter, she's happy, and so ninety nine will be 682 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: worn for the Cardinals yet again. And I think it's 683 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: the right thing to do. And I think, actually I 684 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: was joking around about Marshall Goldberg. I believe that he 685 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: would love this because guess what, it brings his name 686 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: back up again. Otherwise otherwise no one's discussing you. Right, 687 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: it's over. The daughter gets a little publicity out of it. 688 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: It becomes conversation. She'll probably get a suite for a 689 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: game and meet j J. Whatever. It'll be fun. It'll 690 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: be great for everybody. And I think that numbers should 691 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: never really be permanently retired. They should be honored like 692 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: Andre Johnson is in the Ring of Honor. Now eighty 693 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: is not retired by the Texans. But if let's say, uh, well, 694 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: they're not gonna give it out, Okay, you're not gonna 695 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: see like Isaiah Coulter, if he said, yeah, like number eighty, 696 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: they'd be like, no, you're not another one. We're not 697 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: giving out this number. But it's so it's sort of 698 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: an unwritten rule, if you will. In the equipment room. Now, 699 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: if a stud receiver came along and they asked Andrea's 700 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: permission or just ask for his feedback, you know, I 701 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: could see Andrea saying yeah, you know, especially a guy 702 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: from the U or whatever. Look at Michael Irvin, right, 703 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: they don't retire his number in Dallas. I mean everybody 704 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,919 Speaker 1: wears eighty eight. Not everybody, but you know what I'm saying, Well, 705 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: I think what I've said all along is when um, 706 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: I think Dez Bryant was coming into the league and 707 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: I was doing my national radio show and there was 708 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: a thought about him wearing number eighty eight. Michael Irvin 709 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 1: and Warren It, Drew Pierson warn't it. It's like can 710 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: he wear eighty eight? And I remember saying, I think 711 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: what they ought to do is make it like a 712 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: legacy number the guys that have worn it and reached 713 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,959 Speaker 1: a particular level. I got into all pros Pro Bowls. 714 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: If they warn that number, then they're the ones that 715 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: decide the next guy in line to wear it. So 716 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: then Dez Bryant wore it well and ceedee Lamb got 717 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: the Dallas and he wanted to wear it, and yeah, 718 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: what if you gotta change your number? You gotta change, man, 719 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,719 Speaker 1: You're not gonna You're not gonna be that guy. So 720 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: you know what if if the Texans ended up with 721 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: like Vante Smith or Jamar Chase, like a top notch 722 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: wide receiver, and to pay homage to Andrea, they're like, 723 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: I want to wear eighty, then call up Andre and say, hey, look, um, 724 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,479 Speaker 1: can they or eighty? What do you think it's Shamar Chase? 725 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: Do you cool with that? No? Like, no, second, third 726 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: round for no. It's gonna be like a like a 727 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: name first round type of guy that's got to be 728 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: able to wear it and do and do it right. 729 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: So that's what I would like them to do, Like, hey, look, 730 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 1: this guy wants to wear number eighty to pay homage 731 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,399 Speaker 1: to Andre Andrea. What do you think? Yes, let him 732 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 1: do it? Okay cool? Far more complicated would be ten 733 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: because he's still in the league. He still wears ten. 734 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: And I think a quarterback coming in or somebody like 735 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: that who wanted to wear ten would be a little 736 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: bit easier. Yeah, to give out ten two other than 737 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,359 Speaker 1: a receiver. That's just my thought off the top of 738 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: my head. But when I say easier, that might have 739 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: to go all the way up to cal McNair to 740 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 1: make that decision, like who gets to wear certain numbers. Look, 741 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 1: they gave Whitney fifty nine pretty easily. I mean, Whitney 742 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: comes in twenty twelve, and I'm like, look, the body 743 00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: of Damiko Ryans isn't even cold yet, the memory where 744 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: he's still fresh in my mind. You got this guy 745 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: wearing fifty nine, right, Demiko is in Philadelphia, Whitney wearing 746 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,919 Speaker 1: fifty nine. And now like, Whitney is so unmistakably fifty nine. 747 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: I know, I know, so weird because when you said it, 748 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, mait a second, where are you going with 749 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,840 Speaker 1: this fifty nine? And then he said to me goings, 750 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: oh yo, yeah, well who was wearing fifty six in 751 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: training camp? And we were saying, oh boy, uh it 752 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,879 Speaker 1: was it was a young linebacker. But then they gave 753 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:33,319 Speaker 1: it to Kyle Emanuel. Oh yeah. And Emmanuel like physically 754 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,799 Speaker 1: is built a lot like Cushes like size wise um 755 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: and actually kind of the same thing. Played outside in college, 756 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: but then went you know, to inside linebacker when you 757 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: got to the NFL. So from a body type standpoint, 758 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: they look very, very similar, and so I always did 759 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: a double take when I saw Kyle Emanuel with number 760 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: fifty six on Oh It's weird. Very Johnny, thanks so 761 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: much for being with us. Always a pleasure. Yeah, Mark, 762 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: thank you. All right, We'll be back tomorrow with Raft, 763 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,799 Speaker 1: Wednesday with John Harris. I'll be on the show at 764 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: some point. Let's have some fun. Go to Houston Texans 765 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 1: dot com the Texans app for everything Houston Texans. Thanks 766 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: a lot for listening, and go Texans.