1 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Lute. If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. 2 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to soft Rep Radio Special Operations, Military MEWS 3 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: and straight talk with the guys and the community. Hey, 4 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: what's going on? Welcome to another episode of Soft Rep Radio. 5 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: I am your lucky host to get to interview these 6 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: two magnificent writers and historians, starting with Craig Reid and 7 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: James Rife. James is a total historian, has written books 8 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: on many things, and including the Ukraine conflict, which has 9 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: been going on for about six months. Now. When you're 10 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: listening to this, you know it's your two. It's let 11 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: you know. So for the last six months we've been 12 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: hearing about the conflict in Ukraine. And I'm gonna bring 13 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: on James and Craig to fill us in on why 14 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: they're going back to the eight hundreds. Why is Vladimir 15 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: Putin trying to bring back Peter the Great and Catherine 16 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: the Second the Great? Why is he obsessed with this? Please? Now, 17 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: let's hear what you have to say. Welcome to the show. Oh, 18 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: thank you very much. The relationship between Russia and Ukraine 19 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: goes back to the Dark Ages, l always, and it's 20 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: as Craig and I have talked about it's really a 21 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: tale of two cities between Moscow and Kiev and around 22 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: in the ninth century, Kiev was the cultural and the 23 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: social and economics center of the Slavic world, and the 24 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: Moscow was arrival and ultimately Kiev was cut short by 25 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: the Mongols in the thirteenth century, so Moscow surpassed it. 26 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: Long story show. Ukraine is a borderland between Central Europe 27 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: and Eurasia. It's in the same geographic position as Poell. 28 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: You got Russia to the east and then the Germans, 29 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: Austro Hungarians and Romanians to the west, so they're squeezed. 30 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: So during its history Ukraine has been controlled by the 31 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: Poles and Lithuanians on and off by the Russians, and 32 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: it's a messy, chaotic history. My background is in Russian 33 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: and modern European histories where I studied in college, so 34 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: I knew all this going into into the war. But 35 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: the long and short of it is Ukraine was a 36 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: founding a state of the Soviet Union nineteen two and 37 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: the breakup in n was traumatic for the Russians and 38 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 1: the Ukrainians had mixed feelings about it. Uh and there's 39 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: a lot of reasons for that, and the eastern part 40 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: of the country they're more Russian based, whereas in the 41 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: west they're more open to the West, the Western and 42 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: Western Europe. So there's a split inside Ukraine itself exactly, 43 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: and Putin has played on that. Of course, he's you know, 44 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: he's throwing in a lot of overtones from World War Two, 45 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: making his arguments at Ukraine somehow, you know, infested with Nazis, 46 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: which is really not true, but that's how he's selling 47 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 1: it to his own population. So this conflict goes back 48 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: to Puton really, you know, he wants to rebuild the 49 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: Soviet Union. He's always lament the collapse of the Soviet Union, 50 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: and he has fought smaller wars with Czechenia, Georgia, South Ossetia, 51 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: and he's picked off pieces of them to rebuild that 52 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: sphere of influence. So in the current conflict, which really 53 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: began two thousand fourteen when UH he engineered the secession 54 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: of don Boss Regions which is Crimea and then uh 55 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: Luhansk and Donetsk Oblast as they're called, and that just 56 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: triggered the war because the Ukrainians UH counterattacked and what 57 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: they called an anti terrorist operation. It launched eight years 58 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: of low grade warfare. But between the two sides, and 59 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: that brings us to February twenty four, in which Putans 60 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: engineered this whole staless, wholesale invasion to try to take 61 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: Ukraine whole hog. It looks like at least a good 62 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: chunk of it. So it's a really messy chaotic history 63 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: goes back in a thousand years. Ukraine has its own 64 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: Ukraine has its own national identity, has its own language, 65 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: has its own, in a way, its own culture. So 66 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: there's a misperception out there among the general public that 67 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: Ukraine has always been part of Russia. It has not. 68 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: So it's a sovereign country since nine and apparently Peutin 69 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: wants it back. So here we are now if I 70 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: understand this correctly, Like you know, I was reading through 71 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: your book. In nineteen fifty four, it was given to uh, 72 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: you know, its own statehood and it was annexed because 73 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: so it could be Ukraine, just to get rid of 74 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: the nuclear arms because they had so many that sixteen hundred, 75 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: like you know, warheads are capable of munitions, and they said, hey, 76 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: we'll make you your own state. You agree to these 77 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: terms and they did. And Russia was supposed to have this, 78 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, Parlay, you're not supposed to mess with them. 79 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: And then now here comes Russia after they've agreed and 80 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: lived up to their end of the deal, to try 81 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: to take it back. You know, I'm baffled by it 82 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: because it's like Mexico trying to come take Utah. Yeah. 83 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: And I think it's a calculation that Putin has made 84 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: that there is a treaty on the books, uh, the 85 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: Pure Christs Memorandum, in which the United States and the 86 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: United Kingdom Britain agreed basically guaranteed Ukraine security if Ukraine 87 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: would give up its nuclear weapons, and Russia signed that treaty. 88 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: And I think Putin has made a cynical calculation that 89 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: he can, you know, reneg on that treaty and there 90 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: will be no consequences. He's found out, you know that 91 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: that's not necessarily true. That hasn't happened. So but yeah, 92 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: Ukraine has been sovereign since nineteen the breakup of the 93 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: Soviet Union. It's had its own problems. It's by no 94 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: means peers of driven snow. I mean, they've had a 95 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: love of their own corruption problems, they've had Polique stability. 96 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: They had a couple of revolutions who the most recent 97 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: ones in two thousand fourteen, which I'll always precipitated that 98 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: the invasion of Crimea and then don Bus so Ukraine 99 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: his hence to build out problems well, and they had 100 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: to go in and uh, you know, re calculate their 101 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: presidential elections just recently, like within the last ten fifteen 102 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: years to remove and replace or you know, just to 103 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: stifle the argument of like there was corruption in the elections. 104 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: And so then they put in president, which is not 105 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: the current one, Lens. It's not who we're talking on talking. 106 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: I think it starts with the why you probably know 107 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: his name, Viktor Yanukovitch Yanukovich. Did he fairly get in 108 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: or did they put him in? Was that the Was 109 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: he the fixed or was he the problem? He was 110 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 1: the problem. He was a long time UH Russia support 111 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: supporting politician. He had a lot of support in the 112 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: don Bus region, and he was an ally of Vladimir Putin. 113 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: And the whole actually precipitated this whole series of events 114 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: that brought us to the current war was that he 115 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: had agreed to sign a treat an economic treaty with 116 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: Western European nations, and then at the last moment he 117 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: reneged on that in favor of another treaty with the 118 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: Eurasian nations. And that's when the revolt in two in 119 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: November two thousand thirteen called the Euromaiden Revolution broke out 120 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: and he was driven from power in February two thousand fourteen, 121 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: and that in fact he fled in the middle of 122 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: the night and went to Russia. The next day the 123 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: Ukrainian parliament yeah stripped him of his office and declared 124 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: him a trader. And he's currently got an arrest warrant 125 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: out for him in Ukraine. So he went to he 126 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: went to Russia has been buying his time over the 127 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: last eight years. In the meantime, Crane held a new election. 128 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: I believe it's the June two thousand fourteen that elected 129 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: another president, Pearl Chinko, and then he was defeated in 130 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: April two thousand nineteen by Vladimir Zelinski, the current president. 131 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: So those elections were more or less free and fair. 132 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: But of course, in lou hanskin on Nets, being pro Russia, 133 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: having a strong Russian influence, they thought that the two 134 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen election was corrupt, so that gave them 135 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: grounds of which they supposedly succeeded. And there are a 136 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: couple of referendums. Is debatable where the referendums were in 137 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: good faith or or have been engineered by Putin. That's 138 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: been indetermined at this point. But that precipitated which at 139 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: that point was a civil war. So but yeah, two 140 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, Yan Yukovich fled the country, gave up his 141 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: office and so a new prisoner was installed and then 142 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: he was to feed by Zelinski. So Zelinski is a 143 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: lawfully elected president of Ukraine as of today, and that 144 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: is who we were withholding military arms. And the whole 145 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: impeachment of our US president was involved with Zelinsky, where 146 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: it was like, hey, you look into this fiasco for 147 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: me and I'll give you military aid withholding that knowing 148 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: what was about to happen. And so now we have 149 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: you know, So that's the same, that's what we're talking 150 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: about currently this Zelinski is still in office and he's 151 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: putting up a fight against Vladimir. He's literally like showing 152 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: up in a in a sweater with a sleeve that 153 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: has like a zipper for whatever he needs a store 154 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: in it, and he's like ready to go. I think 155 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: he's like forty four years old, and uh, you know 156 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: he's not afraid to, uh, you know, use the internet. Well, Zelinski, 157 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: before he became president, he's actually a very successful actor 158 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: and comedian in Ukraine, and he started as a teenager 159 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: and he built a career as uh in the entertainment industry. 160 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: He actually had a very successful series in Ukraine from 161 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen to two thousand eighteen called Servant of 162 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: the People, in which he played a history teacher was 163 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: frustrated God elected president of Ukraine and he used it 164 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: as a springboard to run a real campaign in two 165 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen become the president. So he so it's a lot, 166 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: it's a lot like electric Jerry Seinfeld and having him 167 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: as or real Ronald Reagan and the actor which is 168 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: you know or the last guy Trump. He was an 169 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: actor exactly, a total actor. Did yeah, Ziliski. Actually, I 170 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: think Pewton calculated that he's a lightweight and he was 171 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: a pushover and not many people took him seriously because 172 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: of that background. But when he you know, on the 173 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: night of the twenty four February twenty four the Russians 174 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: of a and he said, SENDI ammunition. I don't need 175 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: a ride. That showed you know, he actually had some 176 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: stealing him. So you know he sends you know, yeah, yeah, 177 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: he's in the trenches. That's how I perceived him. If 178 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: he's coming off like that and he's saying what he is, 179 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: then you know, hey, he's he's gonna go down with 180 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: the ship. He is that captain, and you know you 181 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: need that captain to have that for your own fighters. 182 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: Your fighters seeing him fighting is gonna make them fight. 183 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,599 Speaker 1: The fourth he went out onto the streets for his 184 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: close staff and said I am here, come get me. 185 00:10:55,040 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: He's on the Russians, and the Russians viserably now, Craig, 186 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: he has been antagonizing the Russians. He goes to places, 187 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: shows up at places. He's like, you think I'm not 188 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: in the Ukraine somewhere. You think I've fled to some 189 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: other land who's trying to backdoor me as their puppet. 190 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: He's like, no, I'm here at this this building. Unfortunately, 191 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: you know, blowing up hospitals, you know, and the prisons 192 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: and things like that, just it's just kind of a 193 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: wrong thing. To do Geneva conventions. You know, they are 194 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: not playing by any Geneva conventions accord. I feel like, 195 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: you know, the Russian troops are just sporadically attacking as 196 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: they're told to do so because of something their leadership 197 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: has commanded them to do. Right, it's either you go 198 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: fight or you die. I've seen enemy at the gates, right, 199 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: we know how it is. You pick up this rifle. 200 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: When he dies and there's your ammunition, you're gonna go. 201 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: And if you turn around, we're gonna down. Well led 202 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: and trained, especially well, there you go. The Russian Army 203 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: today is not the Red Menace in nineteen eight. It 204 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: is a shadow of its power projection. I mean, all 205 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: you have to do is look at the plan they 206 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: came up with. It was this complicated plan, hit the 207 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: cranes from four different directions. You know, take the capital 208 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: and it was we're supposed to be over in three 209 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: as guess what, they're still fighting. It shows you something 210 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: really went wrong, and part of it is the Russian army, 211 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: or most of the directing army. I mean they lacked 212 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: infantry there they have, but they have infantry. Battalions are 213 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: made in size or reinforced US Marine Corps company that 214 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: they are soaked. Yeah, that's the size. What they're supposed 215 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: to have is in the motor rights infantry TOOM they 216 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: have three three A PC, three I I f NE 217 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: and this mounted element. So you've got two or three 218 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: guys in the vehicle being a this mount element of 219 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: four to five and some of those battalions there is 220 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: no dismounted elements. It's just it's just the guys in 221 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: the vehicle and that has caused some problems because their 222 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: armor armor infantry needs each other, and what's happening is 223 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: the armor is not getting in protection. So you've got 224 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: Ukrainians running around popping up, firing a javelin or end law, 225 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: taking out tank and then boom off again before the 226 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: infantry can react. So that's the biggest thing I've found 227 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: that the supply problems. There are supply problems are remember 228 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: the con away from going nowhere sat there for days 229 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: well bits some pieces that were being picked off by 230 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: Ukrainians who are growing up and down the line by 231 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: intarget firing off again. Yeah, they are the biggest difference 232 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: I think is the command stop after two thousand and 233 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: fourteen Ukrainians realized that their army before Blunt sucked, so 234 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: they turned to NATO and said, that's what NAO did. 235 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: They helped them exactly. They started teaching me jurn the 236 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: officers to take initiative because still in the Russian army 237 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: during the officers can't do anything. They gotta get go 238 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: ahead from up the line, which is why you're seeing 239 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: a lot of colonels and generals dead on the Russian side, 240 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: because they're coming up to try and solve problems that 241 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: in a NATO farming would be solved by majors and captains, 242 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: forcing major generals act ass battalion commanders. Essentially. Yeah, the 243 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: West came over and sent some green berets perhaps to 244 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: work with the Ukrainians. When the airliners were getting shot 245 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: down by Russian you know anti aircraft. You know, you 246 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: just don't do that, and so all of a sudden 247 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: there's a need back then to say, Okay, are they 248 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: coming in, Are they trying to turn the oil off 249 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: to Europe? Are they try to take over Crimea? Are 250 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: they trying to just cause that to be its own 251 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: statehood so that they can say they own it? And 252 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: it was never agreed to by Ukraine to be annexed. 253 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: It's always been considered to be a part of Ukraine, 254 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: but Russia considers it Russia. And then you have you know, okay, 255 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: here comes some special forces guys coming in to help 256 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: work with our allies, and they're gonna say, hey, this 257 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: is exactly how you use this piece of equipment. This 258 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: is what's gonna happen one day. You need to be prepared. 259 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: Whereas what you're saying, Craig, if I understand this correctly, 260 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: is Russia just kind of sat back, rested on its 261 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: red laurels that it has and all of its history 262 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: and didn't up train themselves to prepare to move upon 263 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: voy across the bridges. And if they got blown up, 264 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: what do they do to resupply? Or if X, Y 265 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: and Z happens, how do they counter that measure? They're 266 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: just kind of doing what the Germans did in World 267 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: War Two and surrounding themselves. Well, the Russian supply is 268 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: rail dependent, and the early part of the war knowingly 269 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: did Ukraine's woke up all the entry points into Ukraine 270 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: from Russia and Belarus. You know, have said Belarussians who 271 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: were doing their own thing to sabotage. The supplies come 272 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: in from Belarus into Ukraine. So the supply sucked, the 273 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: command sucks, and you can see just sucks. I mean 274 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: what level it's left. I mean in generals and colonels. 275 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: I think the US lost one general in the twenty 276 00:16:54,720 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: years of fighting between at Aston and I back, and 277 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: that was because it was blue and blue situation. I 278 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: just saw a couple of days ago that I mean 279 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: now the two or three gjounals I mean killed Russian 280 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: gnals have gill I think just today it's uh September one, 281 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: so it's shelling going on around the nuclear plant in 282 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: the Ukraine area, so that they're currently under siege right there. 283 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 1: And I mean, you know, I'm not trying to poke 284 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: a bear, Okay, I'm not trying to say, Hey, someone's 285 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: gonna listen to this in Russia and be pissed at 286 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: rat having this conversation saying that you suck. Alright, dude, 287 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: look you can stop. You can just stop the war. Really, 288 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you can just stop. Put your guns down, 289 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: go home, go to your family. I'm really just saying that, 290 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: have some cookies and some milk, and just in this 291 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: whole thing, you can do that if you listen to 292 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: this somehow. I'm not trying to poke your bear and 293 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: say you suck. Okay, alright, you're under orders. I get it. 294 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: We've all been under orders in our lives. So I 295 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: think what we're trying to do is explain, like, you know, 296 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 1: just let Ukraine live as Ukraine and Russia can be Russia. 297 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: But right now it's looking really bad for Russia right 298 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: all of Russia. It's Vladimir is preaching go ahead. McDonald's 299 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: is changing. You know, everything is changing over there. It's 300 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: completely well. For example, you know, Russian confidence Chernobyl dry 301 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: up there, Neil Belarus and border. So it was taken 302 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: quickly because Ukrainians just traced some shots and then just 303 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: got the hell out there because the last thing they 304 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: wanted to do was to have a firefight around the 305 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: cryptic nuclear plant with all the uh that entail. And 306 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: the Russians came in and they proceed to run up 307 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 1: and down the fields, kicking up radioactive dirt. They does 308 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: trenches in the red forest, which is akin to like 309 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: digging holes on top of where nuclear bomb has just exploded. 310 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: So he got all this dirt. Yeah, they slept in him, 311 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: they lived at him. They apparently they also stole there 312 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: wasn't so I'm if it had been an American unit, Yeah, 313 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: there was no way it would have done anything like that. 314 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: That's because everyone knows what happened. No, there's already be 315 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: a court case for you know, uh, radioactive trenches and 316 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: exposure to veterans, that's what would already happen here. We 317 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: don't have like a v A study on why where 318 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: our troops put into that situation. You know, the Russian 319 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: soldiers have nothing like that to support them. If they 320 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: go into some type of situation to have to get 321 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: radioactive treatment, they're gonna go to their v A. Really 322 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: early on, there was a report and it was unverified, 323 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,479 Speaker 1: but it's probably a ring of truth, and that there 324 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: were a couple of bus loads of Russian soldiers who 325 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: have been sent to a special radiation unit in Minsk 326 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: and Belarus which was a staging area for the Russians 327 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: and they were suffering from radiation poisoning from being in 328 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: that environment. So and a lot of these Russian soldiers 329 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: are conscripts, you know, seventeen eighteen, nineteen year old boys, 330 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: and they had no clue what they were getting into. 331 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: They've been you know, the reports that they've been lied to. 332 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: They thought they were on maneuvers. They wouldn't even they 333 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: weren't even sure where they were at until they crossed 334 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: the borders. So you know, when they were ordered to 335 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: dig into or Nobel, I'm sure once they got there 336 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: they realized where it was at. I mean, everybody knows 337 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: what Chernobyl looks like. But the fact that they were 338 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: put into that, you know, it's complete disregard of their 339 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: soldiers lives, which you know, that's part of the course 340 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: in Russian history, in the Russian military. So yeah, that's 341 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: just like there should be though, there should be some 342 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: costs for concern with that young eighteen year old future 343 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: leader to be put into a radiation filled hole and 344 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: basically buried alive. You hear me, Russian soldier, you should 345 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: just totally go home. Well, they're doing it again Zaporignia, 346 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: which is of course is now under siege, being shelled, 347 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: with the International Atomic Energy Inspectors supposedly arriving today, but 348 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: the Russians are stalling that, so that plants being shilled, 349 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: and the question is who's shilling, and of course the 350 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: Russians are saying to Ukrainians, which doesn't make much sense. 351 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: But the Russians, and I made this point to another 352 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: friend earlier in a week, the Russians are fighting a 353 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: twentieth century war against the twenty first century Ukraine. And 354 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: what Craig said was absolutely right. After two thousand and fourteen, 355 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian military performed really poorly. They went to NATO, 356 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: asked for help, got new training, new tactics, some new weapons, 357 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: particularly the javelin missiles and the man pads, and it 358 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: revolutionized their own military and moved away from the old 359 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: Soviet tactics of of the nineteen eighties. So the Russians, 360 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: it came as a complete shock to them when they 361 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: moved into Ukraine across four fronts at the Ukrainians weren't 362 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: fighting like they expected them to, and in fact that 363 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, they were using small unit tactics and special 364 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: forces to basically jam up the entire invasion force. I 365 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: saw a story earlier last week in the Washington Post 366 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: and UH that uh one two thousand man Ukrainian brigade 367 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: actually stopped thirty of those battalion tactical groups on the 368 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: road to Kiv just by using creative small unit tactics, 369 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: and it was a bus all effect that the Russians started. 370 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: You know, they fell back into these World War two 371 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: type tactics of you know, trying to do human wave 372 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: attacks against these really well positions. You know, two thousand 373 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: Ukrainian soldiers who were motivated and they were just highly maneuverable. 374 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: They were just you know, shooting, run, run, and gun, 375 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: and the Russians stopped them, calling their tracks outside of Kim. 376 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: They never recovered from that. So that you know, the 377 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,959 Speaker 1: the Ukrainians used the eight year period from two thousand 378 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: and fourteen to two uh to great effect, and you know, 379 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: the Russians have haven't been really been able to figure 380 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: out how to handle them except just by going reverning 381 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: back to World War two and even World War One 382 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: type artillery body barage tactics. So it's like what Craig 383 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: was saying, you know, I think Craig said it was 384 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: like supposed to be three days. You know, Putin was 385 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: like we're gonna be in, They're gonna welcome us with 386 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: open arms, We're gonna roll in. And no, it's not 387 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: that at all. You just flet around and found out 388 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: and that's you know, I lived my life with that motto, 389 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: so I will find out what happens when I f 390 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: around with it. But they're learning when you f around 391 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: with it, you're finding out. And and that's what's happened. 392 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: And those people are not giving up. The youth, the educated, 393 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: they're willing to pick up arms and die. Their reality 394 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: stars there, their singers oft bands that are popular have 395 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: been going to battle and trying to come on TikTok 396 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: and like say hey, we're out here, we're fighting. We 397 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: just want you to know. And they're dying. M M. 398 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: A fighter that just died. That's a Ukrainian superstar, you know, 399 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: he was found to be killed in the in action. 400 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: And then today September one, I read on the public 401 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: headlines of all the media groups that some prominent oil 402 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: executive was just fellon out of a window in Russia's 403 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: hospital and died. You walked, walked right out of a 404 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: window and fell and died. The oil guy, the guy 405 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: in charge of all of the oil at a hospital. Yeah, 406 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: solid story, which is you know, that tends to be 407 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: a trend with pute and anybody criticizes him or becomes 408 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: a political enemy, they tend to you know, die or disappear. 409 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: And in this case, so you know, supposedly fell out 410 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: a hospital sixth floor sixth floor hospital window, and I 411 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: call it putin side. So putin scientist or something. Man, 412 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: it's easy. Don't want that. The war and dombass reration 413 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: in the last eight years has basically turned out veteran soldiers. 414 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: So a lot of these guys go in, they spend 415 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: their tour in the dombass reason getting shot at, and 416 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: then they go back to regular to the regular lives. 417 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: So when the war comes, you've got all these people 418 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: who know what it's like to be shot at and 419 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: shoot at people. So a lot of territorial defense battalions 420 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: they stood up, a lot of partisans. They're all veterans. 421 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: They know how to fight. And let's look at the 422 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: way the Russian tho things. The Russians don't. No, they 423 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: just don't have that same same thing going on. They 424 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: didn't get up trained. And what were you gonna say, James, Well, 425 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: that that's what Craig said. In the Ukrainian Army, He's 426 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: absolutely right. You know, they have a cadre of veterans 427 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: from the eight years of war in don Boss, whereas 428 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: in the Russian military, it's one year and out that 429 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: you know that you're conscripted, You do your one year 430 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: of service, and then you return home. As opposed, they 431 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: also have aside from the conscripts, they also have what 432 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: they call the contract soldiers, and these are guys who 433 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: are signed on after that one year obligations over, they 434 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: become the n c O s and and such. But 435 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: they're they're much smaller cadre. So the Russians have not 436 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 1: had the same level of veteran experience in war fighting 437 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: because they lost most of their conscripts to return home, 438 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: unlike the Ukrainians, whose conscripts were home but now they 439 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: can return easily to the battlefield. The Russian don't have 440 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: that advantage like the Ukrainians do. It's a home field 441 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: advantage essentially. Oh yeah, they're trying to pull the prisoners 442 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: out of jail saying hey, you want to fight or 443 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: die like a Dirty dozen scenario. Yeah, you know, it's 444 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: like he's like, hello, come fight or die. You're one 445 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: way or Another're gonna be in jail or you're gonna 446 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: be just the third Army Corps that they exactly, So, 447 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: I mean third, what's it gonna take for the people 448 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,479 Speaker 1: of Russia and Ukraine to change their political structures so 449 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: that Putin's out of it, maybe like even legitimately where 450 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: he's just elected out. How can we get the Russians 451 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: to see the Ukrainians as just their neighbors, you know, 452 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: maybe you know their their family on both sides, but 453 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: that's what they are. It's like family on both sides, 454 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: and they're fighting it. How do we I don't know, 455 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: how how do we just tell them, like you gotta 456 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: Russian people being lied too. They're being told that the 457 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: Ukrainians are Nazis and they have to go in and 458 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: clean them out, which is funny because Zelaney lost relatives 459 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: in the Holocaust, so he's about anything Nazis you can't get. 460 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: But like I said, the Russian's being like to and 461 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: Boot doesn't have any challengers. Andy when he thinks that 462 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: it is a threat to him, ends up going through 463 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: a window eight six stories up, or dying from a 464 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: nerve region or like val you know, or up in jail. 465 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: So if anyone's gonna take Bruton is gonna have to 466 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: be one of the oligarchs or a mix of them, 467 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: which it right now. Trying to get pulled. Now there, 468 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna need a big stick, a dynaway d to 469 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: add to that. I've got both Russian and Ukrainian friends, 470 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: so I get both and you. And starting with the Russians, 471 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: the Russians have on the national psyche. They have a 472 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: thousand years of of authoritarian rule and existence pretty much 473 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: going back to the Mongols, going back to the stars. 474 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: It's imprinted on the Russian side a key. So there's 475 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: this culture of fear that I've noticed that, you know, 476 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: ever since Yelson in nine one just established the Soviet Union, 477 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: you know, they had taste of freedom, they were obviously 478 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: enjoying it. But then Pewton starts cracking down, particularly with 479 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: censorship and passing laws that if you criticize the war 480 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: or the military, you know, you can get lengthy prison. 481 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: Ston's They've started falling back into that old Soviet citizen 482 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: mindset that you know, don't you don't dare criticize the 483 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: government or else you end up as Siberian gulag. I mean, 484 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: that's what sort of surprised me about the Russians. I 485 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: thought they would actually have a stronger homegrown resistance to 486 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: what Peuton's doing. It was there at the start, but 487 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: then he crushed it within a week and since then 488 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: it's been silence. The Ukrainians, on the other hand, they 489 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: have had a very healthy transference back between Ukraine and 490 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: Western Europe and to the United States. That's how I 491 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: met my Ukrainian friends. So they've got a good healthy 492 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: dose of Western democracy and freedom and they brought that 493 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: home with them and it motivates them to fight for, 494 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, the freedom of their country. They don't want 495 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: to be a part of Russian you know, they you know, 496 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: they don't want any more dictatorship. They want to be 497 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: able to you know, to basically establish their own national identity, 498 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: which they've done and chart their own path in the 499 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: world as as a sovereign country. And they were you know, 500 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: corruption aside and the problems with the you know, the 501 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: two revolutions Orange Revolution and the euro Maiden Revolution. They 502 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: were on that path. But now the Russians Zoe have 503 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: come and sort of disrupted that. And it's a completely 504 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: different perspective with the western ized Ukrainians as opposed to 505 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: the Russian population, which is sort of dropping back into 506 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: that Eastern Sarras mindset. So so it's a really weird dynamic, 507 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: you know very much. You know, twentieth century versus twenty 508 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: one century, twenty century versus twenty first century dynamic going 509 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: on here between the two populations. And that's another reason, 510 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: you know, just to just to call your book out 511 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: for those that are joining us right now, I just 512 00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: let me just shout out your book real quick. You're 513 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: calling it the Russian Ukraine War fact Book. What's the 514 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: exact title, because you've put a lot of time into this. 515 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: What's the name of that book? What's backwards you're on 516 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: the screen, But it's the Russia Ukraine War fact Book, 517 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: And it's exactly the Russian Ukraine War fact Book, and 518 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: that's being put out right now, and you're gonna be 519 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: able to check that out, you know, if you're listening 520 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: to this podcast. It has a lot of things going on, 521 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: and it's cool because it's got a lot of pictures. 522 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I like the pictures. They complement 523 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: it as graphic as they are. To know that that's 524 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: within the last six months of combat. Seeing tanks blown 525 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: up in the square of Kiev that are like rusted 526 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: and burnt out, it seems like it's been there forever, 527 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, and so you know as you're flipping through 528 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: the pages on the video, yeah you know it's the 529 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: listener out there. You should just check this book out, 530 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: go find it. It's the Ukraine Russian Ukraine War fact Book, 531 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: all right, and that has been co written by Craig 532 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: up here and James that we're talking to, and they're 533 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: very accurate and they know all about this. This is 534 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: their theater of operation, if you will, and so that's 535 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: why we're talking all Ukraine. So if you're just joining 536 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: us right now again, Ukraine can continue the fight, continue 537 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: to push back against Russia. But for how long? Yeah, 538 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: that's the six or four thousand dollar questions. And I 539 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: know there's two of you here, so yeah, go ahead, Craig, 540 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: let's give Craig a second. Go ahead. I think Ukraine 541 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: won't be happy until every single Russian is out of 542 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: Ukraine territory and that cruise then cruise crimere. I've seen 543 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: enough to hear of you as these soldiers that they 544 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: have not wavered. They want the calling the Russian sports 545 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: that's their nickname for and they'll call Russian war door. 546 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: So as far as oh I see spoken references, Yeah, yeah, 547 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: Russian Orcs and more door. And so the Ukrainians see 548 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: themselves as the true They're gonna stay. They don't want 549 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: to change their ready to fight to the death. Yeah 550 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: then may jez, Well why would they not? I mean, yeah, 551 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: that's what America did. American said we will not be you. 552 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: We we fought the British and fought and fought and fought, 553 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: and people like you should just stay. Some people probably 554 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,479 Speaker 1: in America were like, why are we fighting? Why are 555 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: we fighting? Why are we fighting them? This is a 556 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: good life. I have a good life. And soon over 557 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: there's like I don't want to pay any more taxes. 558 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we fought as Americans for our own you know, independence. 559 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: I don't see that same drive and a human being 560 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: being given up if they have made that dedication. And 561 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: that's Ukraine to me, Well you cry because there's the Russians. Rightfully, 562 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: so it's an existential threat. I means a threat to 563 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: their existence as a suffering country. And this again goes 564 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: back the thousands of years of history between the two 565 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: the two countries, and the question is how long can 566 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: they last? Well, they can last as long as they 567 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: keep the ammunition supplies going. I mean, they found their 568 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: weapons systems, they got the tactics. You know, they've got 569 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: the drones. That's the really impressive thing, you know, they 570 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: get They've got these commercial drones that they've done some 571 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: film modification too, that could drop hand garnades into the 572 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: hatches hatches open hatches of tanks. Is such a blow 573 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: them up so that you know, they've got to know 574 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: how it just they need the ordinance to keep them, 575 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: you know, to keep fighting. And that's the larger question 576 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: is I and I have this debate of a lot 577 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: of my friends. You know, why should we care it's 578 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: in Europe? Why how does this affect us? Why should 579 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: we support Ukraine? Why? You know, why are we spending 580 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: forty billion dollars to you know, to supply the Ukraine's 581 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: And the answer is, you know, this feels a lot 582 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: Craig and I were talking before you know, we went live. 583 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: You know, uh, this feels a lot like the summer 584 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty nine with puting in the role of Hitler. 585 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,479 Speaker 1: And if you don't stop him, now what happens next? 586 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: And you know, if we don't stop him now, do 587 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: we get a bigger war of NATO? Does do the 588 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: Russians and make a move on the Baltics. Do they 589 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: make a move on Alaska? You know, I've heard some 590 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: Russian politicians, you know, claim that, hey, all ask is 591 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: really ours because they really resent giving boy all that 592 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: oil to us. So where does it end if you 593 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: don't stop them now? And it's better to fight a 594 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: proxy war with the Ukrainians, you know, supplying the manpowder, 595 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: manpower and the motivation to fight. If we can arm 596 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: them from our stores. That way, our boys don't have 597 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: to fight, our kids don't have to die foreign war. 598 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: So that's the debate I have with a lot of 599 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: my friends who say, you know, why should we care? 600 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: This is not our fight? Really is our fight? If 601 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: you don't fight now, when do you fight? When they 602 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: show up on your short It's too late at that point, 603 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: you don't want them here. It's too late in the 604 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,439 Speaker 1: five years and I'm fighting Germany, yeah right, pushing into 605 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: you know what what then? Yeah? Then what? You know? 606 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: Some strategic strikes going on around like Ramstein Airbay, all 607 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: these different things, all these scenarios. The doomsday clock could 608 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: be ticking if we don't do something, And that is 609 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: exactly what we're trying. To do is sniff out the fuse. 610 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: We've all seen the cartoon where the fuse is going 611 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: along and they just come over and just put it 612 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: out with their fingers. That's what we're trying to do here, 613 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: helping to do that because if it comes to your 614 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: shore's who's listening to this right now, it's too late, okay. 615 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: And if you're over there fighting and you're listening to this, 616 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, God speed and safe travels. I don't know 617 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 1: what else to tell you, you know, just do your 618 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: best and we you have support, all right for freedom 619 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: and that that's that's my opinion. I'm gonna say that 620 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: right now. I got nothing but support. If you're you're 621 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: either with them or you're a communist. Sorry, it's either 622 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: like what are you? What are you? You know? And uh, 623 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: there's a larger context here too. You know that Ukraine 624 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: Russian the war is only one part of the world 625 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: where also have to keep her eye on the China, 626 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: on the People's Republic of China and Taiwan, as well 627 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 1: as the Iranian Iranians versus Iraq and Saudi Arabia. There's 628 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: trouble going on that we've sort of taking her eye 629 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 1: off that and looking at what's going on in Europe. 630 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,919 Speaker 1: But you know, China is built this huge blue water name. 631 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: You can call it West Taiwan if you want, you know, 632 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: because they call there. You know, you can say, oh, 633 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:07,319 Speaker 1: you mean West Taiwan. How about that? You know that? Yeah, 634 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: right there? How about West Taiwan. And the reason for 635 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of people don't understand 636 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: that that Taiwan is a rival government that was pushed 637 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: off the mainland during China Yeah, in nine it wasn't captured, 638 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: and you know, they retreat the Taiwan they maintained a coherent, 639 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: sustainable government. So it's a rival government to the communist 640 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: government in Beijing. That's why the Chinese, the rich Chinese, 641 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: are desperate to stamp it out, because that that threat 642 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: is always there that the Taiwanese or the nationalist government 643 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: formally of Chaikan uh Shaikan Chick would come back one 644 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 1: day and overthrow them and re established national rule in China. 645 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: So you have that piece there, and then of course 646 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: you know what's going on to Middle East chaos. You know, 647 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: apparently we just lost Baghdad earlier in the week. So 648 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: there's the makings of a true Third World War going 649 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: on right now that we don't stop it, it can 650 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: gulf the entire country. And we know, you know, it's awesome. 651 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 1: We can't stop it. No, And and the thing is 652 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: is that, you know, that's why we're showing who we are. 653 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: We're saying we're here to defend those that are looking 654 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: for that defense. I believe Finland and some others just 655 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: joined NATO. Okay, so you know, yeah, Sweden, thank you 656 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: very much. And you know a lot of folks don't realize. 657 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: Maybe they do. I'm just assuming that, you know, it 658 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: goes all the way back to like Norsemen, right, like 659 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: you got Vikings, You've got Mongols, You've got you know, 660 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: the Ottoman Empire, you have you know, the Russians trying 661 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 1: to fight over the same place. It can go back 662 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,399 Speaker 1: to being the Mongolians if it should. If Putin wants 663 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: to give up Russia, get it back to you know 664 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: who had it in six hundred, right, So like where 665 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: does he get off? Yeah, right, where does he get 666 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: off saying he wants it back in the Russian Empire 667 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: when it should be back to you know, Prometheus, to 668 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: give me a break. Well, it's a completely arrogant argument 669 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: on his part, because Russia has never been monolithic anyway. 670 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: You know, Russia has grown from what was used to 671 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 1: be the Grand Duchy of Moscow to taking over other 672 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: surrounding city states and independent states like Kazan, Kajakhstan, even 673 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: the Mongolia. You know, Mongolia became a socialist republic its 674 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: own right in the nineteen twenties, nineteen thirties. So, but 675 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, Russia has never been monolithic. It's always had 676 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: always got different number of languages, ethnic groups and such. 677 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 1: So it's not a uified country at all. It's been 678 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: held together by force of will by its rulers and 679 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: by military force, pure raw military force. So it's amazing 680 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: how they can just keep control over their country with 681 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 1: technology that just wants to ooze into their lives and say, hey, 682 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,240 Speaker 1: this is what's going on in the world. But somehow 683 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: they're able to block all that out and just funnel 684 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: just their information to these huge masses of people that 685 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: I just I mean, really, you know, that's all I 686 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: got a big side. It's complicated. It'll give you a headache, 687 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: say they could do things just trying to think about 688 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,640 Speaker 1: all the dynamics at play here, and why could possibly 689 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 1: lead to if people don't you know, really read their 690 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: history and you know, and take interest in current events 691 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: and where all this is heading, I make it blew 692 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: up really easily into a third World war and we 693 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,959 Speaker 1: need to do everything we can stop that. Yeah, well 694 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: you've got it looks like at one time the normal cabos. 695 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: Well we're going to start off again that down there 696 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: Armenia and uh babu Jan the fighting overs character h 697 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: and that came to our attention because of drones to 698 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: the Caucasus mountains. Because of the drones. Both sides on 699 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: how much of an air force. So they're using drones 700 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: in place of the air force. They're using the spot, 701 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: we're using uh gan using the back tours is uh 702 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: strike aircraft to take out I mean positions, which is 703 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,400 Speaker 1: what attracted both of us to uh that. And we 704 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: wrote our Gold Proceedings for January a drone article. And 705 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: that's the story of how we did this book. In 706 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: the first place. Craig and I were sort of you know, 707 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: doing the recap and the conflict here all lowed to 708 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 1: the Armenian aser by gen conflict. This is another one 709 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: of these ancient you know costal nations. Yeah, it goes 710 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: back to the Ottoman Empire. The Turks are involved and 711 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: in they fought a war that the Armenians won. As 712 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: as it's a Muslim country and it's backed by the Turks, 713 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: have been plotting their revenge all these years. So in 714 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:42,960 Speaker 1: October twenty aer Bijan attacked Armenia and won that war 715 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: in about six weeks, and they did it by using 716 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: drone technology. It was a game changer. Very few people 717 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: actually paying attention to it, I said in the news occasionally, 718 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: but Craig and I took an interest in it and 719 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,719 Speaker 1: we realized, hey, this is court changed warfare. So we 720 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 1: got together and Craig and I we wrote an article 721 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 1: for the U. S. Naval Institute pers Eatings, which is 722 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 1: this new wrinkling drone warfare, and we made some predictions 723 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,720 Speaker 1: that you know, when large scale conflict eventually happens, drones 724 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: are going to change the battlefield. Boy where we right? 725 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: And actually when the Russians invaded, we were planning to, 726 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: you know, to write a follow up to this article. 727 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: So that's what us onto. This this way of thinking 728 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: that modern warfare is changing and it's becoming more lethal 729 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,640 Speaker 1: we're approaching a terminator type scenario with artificial intelligence, yeah, 730 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: facial recognition technology, you may you match that up with 731 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,319 Speaker 1: drone technology. Essentially you get seny at robots on the battlefield. 732 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 1: And we've seen this to a certain extent in Ukraine 733 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 1: with you know, these hunter killer drones chasing individual Russian 734 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: soldiers around the battlefield. So we're there. You know, the 735 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,279 Speaker 1: future is here, and you know, once someone figures out 736 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: how the you know, the mass manufactured drones and make 737 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,200 Speaker 1: them smaller, you know, you've got millions of drones rowing 738 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: the battlefield. That's terrifying. It's completely terrifying actually, and uh, 739 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: you know, because there's nothing to stop the robocops mindset 740 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: when it's already programmed. You know, it's like it's initiatives 741 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 1: are to kill or coming with me dead or alive. 742 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 1: You know, if that mindset, there's no human interaction. Unfortunately, 743 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: in RoboCop, he remembers who he is. He's like, I'm Murphy, 744 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: I'm Murphy. I'm not a human, I'm a roll, I'm 745 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: not a robot. But these robots don't know that. They're 746 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 1: just like they get a hunted of them get shot out, 747 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: but one of them does its job, and that's sucks exactly. 748 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: Throne swarms. They using them for displays. They dead at 749 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,440 Speaker 1: the Olympics, you know, showing having a drone around and patterns. 750 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: So it's not that hard to go from that to 751 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: having a starmer drones attack of target. Yeah, no, I've overwhelmed. 752 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:03,360 Speaker 1: They can overwhelmed answers. And scary thing is if you 753 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: want to take out, say a leader, you don't have 754 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: to send a you know, assassin team. You send a 755 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: couple of guys with enough drones then they can do 756 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: a job for you. Or suicide drones, which are basically 757 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,279 Speaker 1: this was a solid or the Bautfield didn't have a 758 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,880 Speaker 1: target and then he dive bombit. Any single you really have, 759 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:27,880 Speaker 1: That's what I was saying, you know, one out of 760 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: five hundred, you know, yeah, it's just that one. Imagine 761 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: dive bombing hitting a vehicle. Okay, so this is like 762 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,960 Speaker 1: Marvel Universe now that I think about it. Okay, there's 763 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: a movie out right now with Marvel and they're like 764 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: all these drones are attacking the aircraft carrier in the 765 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,360 Speaker 1: sky and they're just like you know, fighting and drone 766 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: technology is just like we need iron man for that. 767 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 1: We'll wait till we get to ultron. Oh my gosh, 768 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 1: age of all from Yeah, no, really, I mean seriously, now, 769 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: you guys have been a great resource for talking and 770 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: I really like ping pong and all this type of 771 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 1: information and going back and forth. I didn't realize what 772 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,399 Speaker 1: I knew about Ukrainius. I started talking with you today 773 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, you know, what about this and that? 774 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,320 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, everything I learned in history, 775 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: all the things my teachers taught me start flooding back 776 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,319 Speaker 1: into Like, you know, so many people have ruled the 777 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: Russian area, you know that whole Asia, it's all it's Asia, 778 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 1: you know, that's what it is. Huge, You'll forget that 779 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 1: it's it's Asia and China. Let's talk about China wants 780 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: it all? Yeah, sorry, go ahead. Well there's an element 781 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: to that we touch on in the book, but we're 782 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,879 Speaker 1: never really know the true story for a few years. 783 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,799 Speaker 1: That's gonna be the intelligence and the clandestine war that's 784 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: going on right now, and we know that there's a 785 00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: lot of Sellite use going on. They saw that the 786 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: mile long convoy. In fact, there's a private company that 787 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 1: contracted the governor that despite the con the convoy, they 788 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: were able to attack it before it got the Kia. 789 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 1: But we also know that, you know, the the intelligence services, 790 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: special forces are involved. Ukraine obviously has their own special forces, 791 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 1: you know, they have a spet Snaze just like the 792 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: Russians do. And there's been some inexplicable things going on 793 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: in the Black Sea area, particularly around Saki Air Base, 794 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,240 Speaker 1: around the Crimea. So there's this also this enormous intelligence 795 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: you know, covert operations wards going on. We don't know 796 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,799 Speaker 1: the particulars right now, and it's you know, that's gonna 797 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 1: be a game changing, you know, piece of the conflict too, 798 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,239 Speaker 1: and we'll probably find out, you know, ten years from 799 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,719 Speaker 1: now exactly what happened when things starting becoming declassified or 800 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 1: someone writes to the defensive history of it. So that's 801 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,200 Speaker 1: a pretty uh fascinating element too. I would love to 802 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 1: have more information on that, but of course, you know, 803 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 1: for operational security, you know you're never gonna get it. 804 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,439 Speaker 1: But that's something to keep in mind. You know, there's 805 00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,400 Speaker 1: of course designed to get to someone who didn't know 806 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,640 Speaker 1: anything about the war. This is the first phase. This 807 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 1: is basically up until about Ptil the seventh and it's 808 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,960 Speaker 1: designed to give someone who doesn't know what that is 809 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,839 Speaker 1: going on given an idea, give them a solid understanding. 810 00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:21,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not deep as in in the weeds, 811 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 1: but it gives you enough to understand. Okay, this is 812 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 1: why the Russians failed. Now, this is what happened here, 813 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: and it like I said, it's it's just to give 814 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 1: you an understanding what's going on. We don't have the 815 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: resources to go deep. And that's what that's gonna be 816 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: up to other than military historians will have access to 817 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: stuff we don't. We'll be able to write the definitive. 818 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 1: But like I said, this is just right understanding the 819 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: first phase of the war. Now we're working on as 820 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,400 Speaker 1: ust more value. Yeah, that one covers from April the 821 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:11,359 Speaker 1: capture of h It goes from February. Yeah, basically, yeah, 822 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: it goes from February April seventh, and that's first phase. 823 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,240 Speaker 1: That's when the Russians are pulled. Yeah, that's first phase, 824 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,160 Speaker 1: and then there was operational pause. Then the Moskva got 825 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: hit in the Black Sea, the Russian Black Sea uh 826 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 1: fleets of flagship. That's the beginning of phase two. So 827 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,760 Speaker 1: we're about phase four, right, now. And when we started 828 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,239 Speaker 1: writing this in mid April, we decided, you know, right 829 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 1: around the time the Moscow was hit, that we need 830 00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,880 Speaker 1: to do this, and it was gonna be a handy 831 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, a handy reference guy. It was gonna be comprehensive. 832 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,400 Speaker 1: It's not academic. We didn't want to put out fear 833 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,239 Speaker 1: in her a page tone that nobody's going to read. 834 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,440 Speaker 1: So that had visuals and uh, straight to the point, 835 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,000 Speaker 1: uh knowledge and why they've been at war and why 836 00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,799 Speaker 1: they're in war, and why Putin thinks he needs it, 837 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: and why Ukraine things they want to and it's really 838 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,880 Speaker 1: straight forward. I mean, I kind of proused it pretty quickly. 839 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,839 Speaker 1: And I guess I guess that's probably also you're I'm 840 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,680 Speaker 1: gonna consider you one of my history teachers now, so 841 00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,839 Speaker 1: thank you. That's why I used to doing a former life. 842 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm a history teacher. So I'll tell you right now. 843 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now something funny. I was 844 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,279 Speaker 1: in special Ed and I know a lot of people 845 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 1: will believe that, okay, but I was just I had 846 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,000 Speaker 1: two teachers. So having both of you on here with 847 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,600 Speaker 1: me right now helping me understand a little more, I 848 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: really appreciate that to you. I just want to let 849 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,440 Speaker 1: you know, so, hey, it's our pleasure. So and you know, 850 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 1: that's the whole point of the exercises, you know, to 851 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: help people understand what's going on. And here's you know 852 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 1: the facts, and you know, here's it's easily digestible, and 853 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, we take a history and trying to make it, 854 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, at least you know, somewhat understandable. Right See, 855 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 1: everybody thinks like you have to be you know, some 856 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,359 Speaker 1: type of special forces or special operations to host this show. 857 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,919 Speaker 1: Now bro special ed. That's what's up right here. Okay, 858 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,959 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, Okay, we all believe 859 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,360 Speaker 1: the same blood at the end of the day. I 860 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,000 Speaker 1: promise you that. And I want to say to my 861 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 1: friends listening in uh, you know, Moscow, we all believe 862 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,960 Speaker 1: the same blood. And to my friends in the Ukraine, 863 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,120 Speaker 1: we all believe the same blood. And I'm over here 864 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,799 Speaker 1: in Utah I stand with no more war. You know, 865 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,319 Speaker 1: I work for a company that brings media and journalism 866 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: from that type of situation, and we see so much 867 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,920 Speaker 1: of it that I'm I'm down to like you know, 868 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,759 Speaker 1: see it call me so I really appreciate having both 869 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,040 Speaker 1: of you on the show. And and James and Craig. 870 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,600 Speaker 1: Let's go with James first. I'm gonna give you a 871 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 1: second to maybe say your book or a link or 872 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,960 Speaker 1: where anybody can check out, maybe something that you're a 873 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: part of. And then Craig, once he's done, I'll let 874 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,280 Speaker 1: you have a moment to say the same thing or agree, 875 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:41,400 Speaker 1: et cetera. Yeah, the Russia Ukraine warfact Book was released 876 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: on Tuesday. It's available at our website, Military Miniature Press 877 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,840 Speaker 1: dot com. Really easy to find, just google Military Miniature Press. 878 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 1: And this is a little advertisement such so it's also 879 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 1: available on Amazon dot com. Just just do a title 880 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,799 Speaker 1: search for it and we'll come right up. We hope 881 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,160 Speaker 1: it's a, you know, a nice reference guide for people 882 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,920 Speaker 1: who need to understand the war but are having problems 883 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,920 Speaker 1: with the history. Yes, and for me, I'm I'm writing 884 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,680 Speaker 1: other things. I'm working on the volume to now working 885 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,400 Speaker 1: on it, and uh well I write other things. I 886 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: write for the ballet Tech gaming line. I don't know 887 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,520 Speaker 1: if you're familiar with that. It's just basically space opera 888 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: with giants. I see it on your wall and I 889 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,439 Speaker 1: was gonna bring it up with giant stompy robots sort 890 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 1: of like, uh, yes, it's sort of like Game of 891 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:38,879 Speaker 1: Thrones with sci fi giant stompy robots. The best way 892 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,920 Speaker 1: to describe it without the battle tech going in too 893 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,200 Speaker 1: much detail. So I've got another novel coming out, and 894 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,600 Speaker 1: that line should be out sometime soon. I don't know 895 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,120 Speaker 1: exactly when, but I'm working on Volue two looks like 896 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 1: uh and putting together outline for Volue three, and I 897 00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,520 Speaker 1: think going I don't know if this countact only long 898 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:05,359 Speaker 1: three or long four. You have to decide on that. Yeah, 899 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,839 Speaker 1: we don't know how the war is going end at 900 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,520 Speaker 1: this point. We do know that there's books, you know, 901 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,200 Speaker 1: as as you know, we can identify when when a 902 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 1: specific stage or phase of the war ends. We can 903 00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,440 Speaker 1: actually add to it now and then don't don't be 904 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,200 Speaker 1: short short books forty page of sixty four max to 905 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,239 Speaker 1: add on to this, you know, to sort of bring 906 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 1: him update, kind of a source book, you know, in 907 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,799 Speaker 1: the gaming world, you have the core source book and 908 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,520 Speaker 1: then you have supplementals. That's how we envisioned your running 909 00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,439 Speaker 1: this series in the future. I love it. I love 910 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,319 Speaker 1: it because I'm a gamer and it makes sense to 911 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,680 Speaker 1: me to do that. You're like, here you go. And 912 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,759 Speaker 1: again that's why I have a hard time dating my 913 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,239 Speaker 1: podcast when I talk on them, because I want them 914 00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,000 Speaker 1: to kind of be just when you listen to it, 915 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,520 Speaker 1: it's like we're we're lit talking now. But this is real. 916 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,239 Speaker 1: This is today. It's September one two and there's a 917 00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,320 Speaker 1: war going on in Ukraine against Russia and we're talking 918 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,439 Speaker 1: about it. And I have had the pleasure to talk 919 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,719 Speaker 1: with Craig Reid and James Rife, who have authored the 920 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,840 Speaker 1: book that we've talked about out today. Let me just 921 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,759 Speaker 1: make sure I say it one more time correctly, which 922 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,800 Speaker 1: is the Russian Ukraine War fact Book that can be 923 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 1: found on Amazon. And I just want to wind down 924 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,840 Speaker 1: our show and say thanks for dedicating an hour of 925 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,040 Speaker 1: your time to talk to myself and my listener and 926 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,240 Speaker 1: those that are viewing this. Thanks for commenting down below 927 00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:17,840 Speaker 1: and all that stuff you do when you subscribe to 928 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: hit that button. I also want to give a shout 929 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,279 Speaker 1: out to soft Rep for going on it's tenure anniversary 930 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 1: this this month of September. Congratulations to Softwrap and Brandon 931 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 1: Webb and everybody that's been a part of soft Rep. 932 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,240 Speaker 1: You know this episode right here will be played during 933 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 1: that month of September. So thanks for being a part 934 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 1: of our tenure anniversary podcast. I'm very privileged to have 935 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,040 Speaker 1: been the first person to launch soft Rep with Brandon 936 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,120 Speaker 1: on video two thousand twelve. I'm like, hey, so you're 937 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 1: Brandon Web. He's like, yeah, you're Rat. I was like, so, 938 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,920 Speaker 1: what do you got going on? He's like soft Rep 939 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, let's be friends. And we've been 940 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,399 Speaker 1: friends ever since. So I want to say thank you 941 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,799 Speaker 1: to be Web and everybody who's come along in my 942 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 1: life in this tenure journey, and I look forward to 943 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,760 Speaker 1: the future endeavors with everybody out there. So again, James 944 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:04,919 Speaker 1: and Craig, you guys have been a pleasure. I totally 945 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,680 Speaker 1: know what battle tech is pleasure. I love talking to 946 00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,399 Speaker 1: you guys. So we will catch you on the flip side. 947 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:18,880 Speaker 1: And this is Rad's saying piece you've been listening to 948 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,240 Speaker 1: self red Lydia