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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another NFL episode of the Action Network podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Matthew Friedman, the editor in chief of Fantasy Labs,

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Speaker 2: with me, Shawn Corner and Chris Ravon. Shawn is the

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Speaker 2: Action Network director of Predictive Analytics, and Chris is a

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Speaker 2: senior editor and analyst at the Action Network. There two

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Speaker 2: of the best fantasy football rankers in the business, and

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Speaker 2: joining us is the Girl Who Got Away, the Dave

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Speaker 2: Mustange to our Metallica, the James Harden to our early

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Speaker 2: twenty tens, okac Thunder. I'm talking about Ian Hartitz, fantasy

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Speaker 2: football analyst at Pro Football Focus. Ian, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 2: How's it going?

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me again? Dudes.

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Speaker 5: As Michael Scott would say, you know the turns tables.

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Speaker 5: So it's good to good to be back chat with

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Speaker 5: you guys. It's, you know, middle of July, but never

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Speaker 5: a bad time in talks and fantasy football.

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Speaker 2: All right. Last NFL episode, we had Evan Silva who

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Speaker 2: helped us break down the top twelve fantasy quarterbacks by

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Speaker 2: average draft position. In this episode, we were talking with

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Speaker 2: Ian about his basic approach to the quarterback position, and

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Speaker 2: we're breaking down all those late round quarterbacks, the guys

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Speaker 2: outside of the top twelve. If you like what you hear,

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Speaker 2: would appreciate it. Gentlemen, let's get into it. Ian, your

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Speaker 2: approach to the quarterback position in fantasy. I'm assuming, like

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Speaker 2: most sane people, it tends to the late round strategy.

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Speaker 2: But how are you approaching quarterbacks for twenty twenty?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, he said, it is a pretty basic strategy.

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Speaker 5: obviously in two QB leagues or super flex, maybe you

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Speaker 5: got to try to get one of those top seven dudes.

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Speaker 5: I can give you the true you know, high ceiling

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Speaker 5: with the dual threat floor, but there's like almost twenty five. Guys,

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Speaker 5: if you have enough drinks and you could talk yourself

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Speaker 5: into this year, and I mean especially for me, I'm

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Speaker 5: just continuously coming away with Joe Burrow and Cam Newton.

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Speaker 5: My QB twelve and QB thirteen. Most people have them

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Speaker 5: scoop up these future qb ones and fantasy draft of

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Speaker 2: All right, what are the what are the stats in factors?

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Speaker 2: This is gonna be a good show. We're gonna have

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Speaker 2: some good conversation here with Raybond, who's going to push

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Speaker 5: A lot of it's been continuity stuff recently, because look

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Speaker 5: to regress to the guys career average and things like that,

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Speaker 5: But overall, I'm just trying to see what has changed

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Speaker 5: And you know article I pushed out yesterday, I was

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Speaker 5: So little things like that, and then also just early schedules,

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Speaker 4: See what's what.

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Speaker 2: Last episode we looked at those guys in the top

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady, Carson Wins, Drew Brees, Aaron rodgers Ian. Out

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, value of Justin is just keeping in

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Speaker 5: if you look what was so good about that Eagles offense,

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Speaker 5: I think those intermediate and underneath areas of the field

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Speaker 2: and I've broken them into bucket. It's in. You know,

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Speaker 2: gonna be talking and debating about all offseason, Cam Newton

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Speaker 2: going as the twenty first quarterback off the board. Ian

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Speaker 2: out of these guys, who's the one you really want

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Speaker 4: It's Cam Newton.

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Speaker 5: I have Stafford ranked a little bit higher, but just

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Speaker 5: But every time we have seen him play for sixteen

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Speaker 4: I don't see it. He's got the rushing upside.

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Speaker 5: He's what coaches now that all they've done throughout their

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Speaker 5: the defense's weaknesses. I mean, pff Seth Galiena wrote an

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Speaker 5: think we're going to see Cam unleashed to the best

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Speaker 5: of his talents. Are those talents still at a QB

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Speaker 5: one QB three level? I don't think so. But Porterlin

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm just going to say I believe that

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Speaker 3: What an intro Friedman.

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Speaker 6: So essentially, Cam Newton right now is a backup and

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Speaker 6: I'm not drafting a guy that might not.

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Speaker 3: Be starting in Week one, as simple as that.

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Speaker 6: And I've gone on a record as saying, hey, if

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Speaker 6: Everyone in fantasy says Cam Newton's going to be the

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Speaker 3: Thinks it's going to be Jared Stidham.

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Speaker 6: we all see Cam Newton and remember what he did

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Speaker 6: think the Patriots just see a high upside backup that

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Speaker 3: And I think it's as simple as that.

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Speaker 6: I think Jared Stidham they intend him to be hit

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Speaker 6: but I'm not going to rank a guy significantly higher

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Speaker 6: So right now I have him pretty much split in

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Speaker 3: It's playing simple.

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Speaker 2: I have never felt so good about it take before

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Speaker 2: in my life. Based on the fact that you just

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Speaker 3: No one knows the Patriots. So that's the thing.

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Speaker 6: Everyone thinks they know to Patriots. The Patriots don't make

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Speaker 2: Raymond. A couple of things. One, everyone was sitting on

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Speaker 3: We'll give you an example.

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Speaker 6: They would have said, it's obviously Cam Newton, but in

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Speaker 2: You can't spell camp without Cam. Oh.

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Speaker 7: Those sound pretty good to me, and I get your point, Raybon.

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Speaker 2: Where are you on these two quarterbacks? Do you think

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm definitely a bit higher on Stafford, and you

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Speaker 7: Matthew Stafford, he's probably being drafted a little bit too

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Speaker 6: I do like the fact that he can add a

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Speaker 6: little bit on the ground, but if he throws more,

437
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Speaker 6: I think you are going to see a decline in

438
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Speaker 6: efficiency because he was just so he is just so

439
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Speaker 6: reliant on the play action game. Last season, he had

440
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Speaker 6: a one hundred and forty three point five passer rating

441
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Speaker 6: on play action passes compared to still pretty good one

442
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Speaker 6: oh four point eight on non play action. But you

443
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Speaker 6: could kind of see the split where you know, four

444
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Speaker 6: sacks in seventy eight dropbacks in play action twenty seven

445
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Speaker 6: sacks and two hundred and twelve in two hundred and

446
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Speaker 6: thirty nine dropbacks, so the sac rate goes up, the

447
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Speaker 6: rating goes down, and the efficiency goes down. The completion

448
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Speaker 6: percentage was eleven points lower in non play action passes

449
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Speaker 6: for Tannehill, So as he throws more, I think you're

450
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Speaker 6: going to start to see the normal Ryan Tannehill again.

451
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Speaker 6: But at the same time, I think you don't totally

452
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Speaker 6: discount him because of what he can give you for

453
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Speaker 6: his legs. But again, this is all matchup base, and

454
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Speaker 6: in Week one the Titans are in Mile High.

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Speaker 3: That's not a game that.

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Speaker 6: I want to be streaming my quarterback. So not a

457
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Speaker 6: guy I'm necessarily going to draft in a traditional one

458
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Speaker 6: quarterback league in a best ball sure, but in terms

459
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Speaker 6: of like my week one guy that I would be

460
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Speaker 6: streaming if I if I don't get like a top

461
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Speaker 6: six or I'll talk about a couple other guys I'm targeting,

462
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Speaker 6: but if I don't get them, Tannehill's not going to

463
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Speaker 6: be on my week run roster.

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Speaker 7: Sean thoughts on Tanny I consider I'm basically a poor

465
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Speaker 7: man's Russell Wilson. He's going to have to be extremely

466
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Speaker 7: efficient and a very run heavy offense, and you know

467
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Speaker 7: he has rushing upside, so it's very possible, but he's

468
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Speaker 7: going to have to maintain that to be you know,

469
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Speaker 7: put up be one numbers some red flags I have Obviously,

470
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Speaker 7: the seven point seven touchdown rate should regress a bit.

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Speaker 7: I have it closer to five, and I don't think

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Speaker 7: they're going to throw way more to kind of replace

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Speaker 7: that regression. The other thing is next Gen Stats has

474
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Speaker 7: the yards after catch above expected metric and AJ Brown

475
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Speaker 7: and John new Smith were number one and two in

476
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Speaker 7: the league, and you know, you could attribute that to

477
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Speaker 7: luck certainly, and that's you know, something Tannehill benefited from.

478
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Speaker 7: You could also argue that that that's kind of a

479
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Speaker 7: benefit of how good play action is with a guy

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Speaker 7: like Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 3: So I think it's sort.

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Speaker 7: Of a mixed back there, But I think either way,

483
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Speaker 7: I think, you know, the yards after catch by some

484
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Speaker 7: of these receivers that talent is throwing two are going

485
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Speaker 7: to go down, and that's kind of where the efficiency

486
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Speaker 7: regression is going to come from. So you know, he's

487
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Speaker 7: not being drafted ridiculously early, you know, right around twenty one,

488
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Speaker 7: so you know it's a fair market price. But I

489
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Speaker 7: don't think we're going to see the same rates as

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Speaker 7: last year, nor will he have more volume to kind

491
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Speaker 7: of make up for the regression we're expected to see

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Speaker 7: this year.

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Speaker 2: All right, outside of the top twelve, we have this

494
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Speaker 2: group of I think really boring for the most part,

495
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Speaker 2: middle aged pocket quarterbacks. Jared Goff as a number seventeen

496
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Speaker 2: quarterback off the board, Jimmy Garoppolo at number eighteen. He

497
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Speaker 2: might be the one who intrigues me the most, but

498
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Speaker 2: you know, still he could be caught in a run

499
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Speaker 2: first offense. We have Kirk Cousins at number twenty two,

500
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Speaker 2: Teddy Bridgewater at number twenty four, and Derek Carr at

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Speaker 2: number twenty eight. Which of those guys stands out the

502
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Speaker 2: most to you as someone you'd actually want.

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Speaker 4: I'm with you.

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Speaker 5: I think it's Jimmy G. I think the upside is

505
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Speaker 5: just kind of going underrated. And we saw what Matt

506
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Speaker 5: Ryan did in his second year, you know, on Kyle

507
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Speaker 5: Shanahan's offense, and this will now be Jimmy G's first

508
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Speaker 5: full season.

509
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Speaker 4: And truly healthy.

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Speaker 5: I mean, like a lot of people forget he was

511
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Speaker 5: coming off that acl tear from twenty eighteen throughout last season,

512
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Speaker 5: and we did see him I think, get better little

513
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Speaker 5: bits the year goes on. Obviously didn't have to throw

514
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Speaker 5: the ball much, I mean fier than thirty passes and

515
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Speaker 5: eleven to nineteen games, But similar to the Titans, I

516
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Speaker 5: think we could just kind of see natural regression force

517
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Speaker 5: them to throw the ball a little bit more, even

518
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Speaker 5: if their game plan continues to be run heavy.

519
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Speaker 4: There's no rushing floor.

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Speaker 5: I mean, having debo hurt sucks because outside of Kittlers,

521
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Speaker 5: not that many proven weapons. But when he got Shanahan

522
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Speaker 5: orchestrated and everything, I think we can worry about the

523
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Speaker 5: skill position talent a little bit less. And you know,

524
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Speaker 5: he had a ceiling last year already that I don't

525
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Speaker 5: think people even kind of realized. Only Lamar Jackson had

526
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Speaker 5: more games with at least four passing touchdowns compared to

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Speaker 5: Jimmy g So, you know, we were talking about these

528
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Speaker 5: early seasons starts, and if anyone's got it, it's Garoppolo

529
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Speaker 5: because he's got the Cardinals, Jets, Giants, and Eagles weeks

530
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Speaker 5: one through four at of him still in that kind

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Speaker 5: of early TB twenty range. But as opposed to you know,

532
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Speaker 5: your Tannehills kirk Cousins like Golfs, I'm actually like, will

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Speaker 5: actively try to get Jimmy G if he's available that late.

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Speaker 2: All right, Raymond, who in this group stands out to you?

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Speaker 2: And even you know, who are you really looking to

536
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Speaker 2: stay away from?

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Speaker 6: So I think it's it's really tough with these rankings

538
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Speaker 6: because we have our rankings and we have our best

539
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Speaker 6: bone rankings.

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Speaker 3: But in reality, I think I'm right with Ian.

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Speaker 6: I think Jimmy G, because of that early season schedule,

542
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Speaker 6: should be the guy that you target in that group,

543
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Speaker 6: because again, if you're drafting from this from those guys,

544
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Speaker 6: you're looking to stream the position and Jimmy G just

545
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Speaker 6: has a dream first few week schedules, So it would

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Speaker 6: be Jimmy G for me. And then as far as

547
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Speaker 6: guys staying away from, I think Jared Goff you still

548
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Speaker 6: want to consider. I think he's a guy that, under

549
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Speaker 6: the right circumstances, could actually be a guy that you

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Speaker 6: keep for the majority of the season, just because the

551
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Speaker 6: Rams attempted so many passes last season and Wade Folks

552
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Speaker 6: left as the defensive coordinator, so their defense may actually

553
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Speaker 6: take a step back and they and you know they're

554
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Speaker 6: gonna rely on that short to intermediate pass game, which

555
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Speaker 6: leads to it could just be a perfect storm for

556
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Speaker 6: a lot of attempts. And Goff led the league with

557
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Speaker 6: six hundred and twenty six or tied for the league

558
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Speaker 6: lead with six hundred and twenty six pass attempts last year.

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Speaker 3: So I think Goff is another guy that I'm looking at.

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Speaker 6: As far as Bridgewater, Car and and Cousins, those guys

561
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Speaker 6: I think are going to be a little bit more

562
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Speaker 6: on the lower volume side, not really guys that I'm

563
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Speaker 6: expecting to be consistent week to week starters. I think

564
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Speaker 6: Derek Carr could actually surprise people and put up at

565
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Speaker 6: least outplay Bridgewater in Cousins this year in terms of

566
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Speaker 6: fantasy production. I think Henry Ruggs could have a potential

567
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Speaker 6: Deshaun Jackson like effects on the yards per attempt for Car,

568
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Speaker 6: maybe bumping up a couple of points. And Car was

569
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Speaker 6: pretty efficient last year seven point nine yards per attempt

570
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Speaker 6: a seventy percent completion rate, So I think Carr could surprise,

571
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Speaker 6: but still not a guy I think we're going to

572
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Speaker 6: want to be starting week to week.

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Speaker 3: Bridgewater. He's a guy you just bet on. You just

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Speaker 3: bet on him.

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Speaker 6: He's twenty eight and seven as a starter against the

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Speaker 6: spread in his career. Not really a guy I want

577
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Speaker 6: too much of in fantasy. And Cousins I just think

578
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Speaker 6: is going to have a bad combination low volume offense,

579
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Speaker 6: good defense, and he lost his best receiver.

580
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Speaker 3: So not really in favor of looking at Cousins.

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Speaker 2: Sean. I want your thoughts on some of some of

582
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Speaker 2: the guys that we've talked about, but I also want

583
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Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on Teddy Bridgewater. So he's reunited

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Speaker 2: with offensive coordinator Joe Brady, who he's at least had

585
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Speaker 2: some familiarity with when he was an offensive assistant with

586
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Speaker 2: the Saints in twenty eighteen. Bridgewater, even though he doesn't

587
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Speaker 2: have a high average up of the target, he doesn't

588
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Speaker 2: really attack down the field, he still has shown that

589
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Speaker 2: he is an accurate passer and I think he probably

590
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Speaker 2: has a top eight pass catching supporting cast. Running back

591
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Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey one of the best receiving backs in the league.

592
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Speaker 2: Wide receivers DJ Moore and Curtis Samuel very good after

593
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Speaker 2: the catch, Robbie Anderson is at least an above average

594
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Speaker 2: field stretcher, and then Ian Thomas is someone who has

595
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Speaker 2: potential to develop in his third season. I mean, are

596
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Speaker 2: we overlooking Bridgewater a little bit? Yeah? Yeah, I mean

597
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Speaker 2: you make good points. I agree with that.

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Speaker 7: I think he does have the weapons, especially you know

599
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Speaker 7: his low average up in the target. You know, he's

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Speaker 7: gonna need guys to make plays after the catch, and

601
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Speaker 7: he has guys that can. You know, he has Christian McCaffrey,

602
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Speaker 7: DJ Moore, Curtis Samuel, Ian Thomas and you know Robbie

603
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Speaker 7: Anderson Will It'll be interesting to see how they fit

604
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Speaker 7: him in. But my main concern with Bridgewater is, you know,

605
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Speaker 7: the Panthers are the only team that has a new

606
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Speaker 7: head coach, offensive coordinator, defensive coiner, and starting quarterback heading

607
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Speaker 7: into you know, a season where there's essentially no offseason.

608
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Speaker 7: So I think out of the gate they're gonna struggle

609
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Speaker 7: pretty heavily. And Bridgewater isn't a guy that people are

610
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Speaker 7: necessarily drafting and ree Jeff Wicks. But as the season

611
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Speaker 7: goes on, I think he's gonna be a great streamer

612
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Speaker 7: in the right spots. This is a team where the

613
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Speaker 7: defense is gonna only rest even more. They're gonna be

614
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Speaker 7: trailing most games. They have the third toughest schedule, which

615
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Speaker 7: is actually good for Bridgewater. It's gonna be more pass

616
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Speaker 7: attempt so I think, yeah, as the season goes on,

617
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Speaker 7: Bridge Roger is a guy to keep an eye on

618
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Speaker 7: if you're streaming QB. He definitely has the weapons to

619
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Speaker 7: make it happen there, all right, Ian.

620
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Speaker 2: Out of these guys, who's the one that you want

621
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Speaker 2: to stay away from the most?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 5: Probably Derek Carr, mostly because I'm a little but hurt.

624
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 5: He blocked me on Twitter last week, even though even

625
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 5: though I deserved it, even though I definitely deserved it

626
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 5: from making fun of I mean, I don't know I

627
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 5: deserve it. The guy threw a ball away on fourth

628
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 5: and goal last season that happened in a real game,

629
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Speaker 5: but regardless, I mean, okay, credit to him for putting

630
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Speaker 5: up the efficiency numbers. Hit like last season was truly

631
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Speaker 5: his best season. It wasn't as fraudulent twenty sixteen MVP

632
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 5: campaign that was ridiculous. But why did they pay Marcus

633
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Speaker 5: Mariota seventeen million over two years if they really trust Carr?

634
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Speaker 5: I think Gruden is tired of his offense going through

635
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 5: tight ends, going through all this short, dinking duck stuff.

636
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Speaker 5: I think he wants to get back in the days

637
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Speaker 5: of Tim Brown Joey Galloway types getting one hundred and

638
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 5: fifty plus targets. Maybe Rugs can pull that out of Car,

639
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Speaker 5: Like I see what Rayvon's saying from that perspective, but

640
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Speaker 5: I don't know gut to my head, I think Mariota

641
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Speaker 5: is the starting quarterback for the Las Vegas Raiders by December.

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Speaker 6: Neither of them are guys like you want to go

643
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 6: to war with really, like you think Car is bad

644
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Speaker 6: at like you know, getting the ball out quick, like

645
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Speaker 6: Mariota just stands in the pocket and takes it like

646
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Speaker 6: that's his whole game. Like Gruden signed Christian Hackenberg once

647
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Speaker 6: for like two days and then released like that's how

648
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 6: that's how, that's how bad.

649
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Speaker 3: It gets him in Las Vegas. But hey, yeah, I feel.

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Speaker 2: You, Sean one. Do you have thoughts? I think I

651
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: saw your brain starting to work on a prop when

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Speaker 2: Ian was saying that he thought Mariota would be the

653
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Speaker 2: starting quarterback in December. Thoughts on that and then also

654
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Speaker 2: thoughts on what we potentially could see out of Derek Carr,

655
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Speaker 2: because I think he has progressed each year within the

656
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Speaker 2: John Gruden offense, He has back to back seasons of

657
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Speaker 2: four thousand yards passing. He had a career best eight

658
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Speaker 2: adjusted yards per attempt last year, and he has had

659
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Speaker 2: improved weapons added to the team this year in the

660
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Speaker 2: guys that were mentioned earlier, Henry Ruggs, Brian Edwards third

661
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Speaker 2: round wide receiver, and then Lynn Bowden Junior as an

662
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Speaker 2: all around kind of offensive weapon who looks like he's

663
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Speaker 2: going to be playing mostly in the backfield, but who

664
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Speaker 2: could be a pretty good pass catching option out of

665
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Speaker 2: the back field. What are your thoughts on what we

666
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Speaker 2: might see out of car.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you mentioned it. He had some pretty appealing underlying

668
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Speaker 7: metrics last year, and that was without really many weapons

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Speaker 7: to throw to. And this year, you know, they bolstered

670
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Speaker 7: it in the draft, and you know they brought in

671
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Speaker 7: veterans like Nelson Aguilar and Jason Witten to at least

672
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Speaker 7: provide safety nets. I guess, But yeah, I mean I

673
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Speaker 7: would take that bet with Ian.

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Speaker 3: I would have to have a caveat that.

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Speaker 7: It'd have to be a benching and not due to

676
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Speaker 7: injury or anything like that. But I think he'll he'll

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Speaker 7: maintain the starting job all year. I think he was

678
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Speaker 7: that good and could improve this year, but you know,

679
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Speaker 7: he's being drafted as the twenty eight QB. I think

680
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Speaker 7: that's right about where I would draft him. He's an

681
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Speaker 7: unappealing high four type of QB, Whereas you know, you

682
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Speaker 7: have to take a guy like Kirk Cousins QB twenty two,

683
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Speaker 7: which I'm uninterested in, especially with that Stefan Dick. So

684
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Speaker 7: I think where Derek Carr is being drafted, I think

685
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Speaker 7: I get behind that. You're you're likely in a TWQB

686
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Speaker 7: or super flex league where you're loading up at other

687
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Speaker 7: positions and you just take a guy like car.

688
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Speaker 2: Not expecting much.

689
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Speaker 7: But yeah, you know, a guy like Henry Ruggs, can

690
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Speaker 7: you know, elevate his ceiling a bit so I can

691
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Speaker 7: get behind it. I guess I'm less pessimistic about him

692
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Speaker 7: than Ian. I probably said it at four to one

693
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Speaker 7: odds that he gets a bench at any point.

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Speaker 4: This year for Mariota sign me up.

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Speaker 7: Okay, perfect book.

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Speaker 2: And I mean I should say in Ian's defense here,

697
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Speaker 2: you know, word has it that Derek Carr is very,

698
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Speaker 2: very trigger happy with the Twitter blocks. That's just that's

699
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Speaker 2: a reputation that he has out there. So all right,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about some of these young quarterbacks. So I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking you guys who are rookies, second year, third year,

702
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Speaker 2: guys who are still you know, ascending, you know, guys

703
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Speaker 2: about whom something could still be expected. So Baker Mayfield

704
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Speaker 2: as the number fourteen quarterback off the board, Joe Burrow

705
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Speaker 2: number fifteen, Daniel Jones number sixteen, and then you drop

706
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Speaker 2: down a little bit. Drew Locke the twenty third quarterback,

707
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Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew the twenty six quarterback, and then some guys

708
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Speaker 2: I really don't even want to mention, but technically they

709
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Speaker 2: belong in this group. Sam Darnold at number twenty nine

710
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Speaker 2: and then Dwayne Haskins at number thirty. Some of those

711
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Speaker 2: guys are kind of enticing. Ian, Joe Burrow someone you're

712
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Speaker 2: high on. Some of those guys not at all what

713
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Speaker 2: I want on my team, But Ian talked about Burrow

714
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Speaker 2: and anyone else who really stands out to you within

715
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Speaker 2: this group of quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the two guys I'm targeting this group are Burrow

717
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Speaker 5: and Gardner Menshew. I'll start with Burrow. We've seen six

718
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Speaker 5: rookie QB one since twenty ten. It's been Cam Andrew Locke,

719
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Speaker 5: RG three, Dak Russ and Kyler. And the two main

720
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Speaker 5: similarities among that group is one they were able to

721
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Speaker 5: start from week one and two they had at least

722
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Speaker 5: a decent rushing floor twenty five yards per game average

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Speaker 5: in college. Burrow checks both those boxes, I mean average

724
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Speaker 5: twenty seven rushing yards per game at LSU. I know

725
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Speaker 5: he looks the pass for us. I'm not saying he's

726
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Speaker 5: going to be RG three on the ground or anything

727
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Speaker 5: like that, but he can at least give you something

728
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Speaker 5: more than you know, Baker Mayfield's nine rushing yards per

729
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Speaker 5: game or or whatever might be so loaded offense, AJ

730
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Speaker 5: Green is apparently back now. Tyler Boyd, John Ross, Matt

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Speaker 5: thank you for including Audentate in the show notes as

732
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Speaker 5: a key part of this Bengals offense. That's my guy.

733
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Speaker 5: T Higgins, Joe Mix and Giovanni Bernardo is telling everywhere.

734
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Speaker 5: And we got Jonah Williams back to maybe bolster of

735
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Speaker 5: the offensive line. Now, this would be a lot easier

736
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Speaker 5: to take to make if we had a normal offseason.

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Speaker 5: I mean, as Sean brought up before in Carolina, I

738
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Speaker 5: mean expecting a new quarterback to come in and just

739
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Speaker 5: immediately Joe a little bit risky business obviously some good

740
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Speaker 5: defenses in the AFC North, But you know, I think

741
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Speaker 5: some of the things we mentioned with Bridgewater and some

742
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Speaker 5: of these guys that have trash defenses and benefiting the qbs,

743
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Speaker 5: we're gonna see that happen with Burrow. And I mean

744
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 5: this team was already one. I'm just nine squads to

745
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 5: throw the ball at least six hundred times last season.

746
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Speaker 5: I think the issue we see sometimes with rookie quarterbacks

747
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Speaker 5: is not having the volume. But with Burrows starting in

748
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Speaker 5: week one, I think they have the weapons to warrant

749
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Speaker 5: getting the ball out early and often I'm buying Burrow

750
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Speaker 5: right along that QB one bardline.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean on in Tate catching fall specialist extraordinaire,

752
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: hard to hard, hard not to be bullish on Joe

753
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Speaker 2: Burrow when he's throwing to that guy, ray Bun, Who

754
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Speaker 2: are you interested in this group of quarterbacks?

755
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Speaker 6: For me, it's Joe Burrow and Daniel Jones, those two guys,

756
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Speaker 6: and it's for the rushing upside. Gardner Minshew to a

757
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 6: wesser extent, He's like, if I you know, just miss

758
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Speaker 6: out on everyone and just kind of a shot in

759
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Speaker 6: the dark, you know, weight round guy decent Week one

760
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Speaker 6: matchup against Indianapolis. But Joe Burrow and Daniel Jones are

761
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Speaker 6: the two guys who I think have a chance, if

762
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Speaker 6: not to sneak into the top six, at least unseat

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Speaker 6: Josh Allen, who's the consensus number seven guy. I consider

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Speaker 6: Daniel Jones kind of a poor man's Josh Allen. I know,

765
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Speaker 6: Matthew that you think Jason Garrett could actually hamper Jones's

766
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Speaker 6: development and perhaps slow the offense down. But I look

767
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Speaker 6: at the Giants defense and I see a defense that

768
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Speaker 6: I think is going to struggle mightily again this year.

769
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Speaker 6: I don't think they have enough. You know, even with

770
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Speaker 6: adding James Bradbury, I don't think they have enough to

771
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Speaker 6: really be even an average defense. They were thirtieth to

772
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Speaker 6: thirty two last year with twenty eight point two points

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Speaker 6: per game allowed.

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Speaker 3: I think they're going to be right around there.

775
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Speaker 6: But also we saw Daniel Jones put up three different

776
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Speaker 6: games where he threw four or more touchdown passes, including

777
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Speaker 6: a five touchdown game in Week sixteen, And you know,

778
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Speaker 6: I think that is something when you look at quarterbacks

779
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Speaker 6: and you're trying to find project forward, you want that

780
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Speaker 6: kind of upside because that is, you know, three four

781
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Speaker 6: touchdown games in twelve starts, or in thirteen we had

782
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Speaker 6: twelve starts. That could be a top six, you know

783
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 6: quarterback at.

784
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Speaker 3: The end of the day.

785
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 6: And then Jones also had a multi rushing touchdown game.

786
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Speaker 6: He does add yardage on the ground. He had two

787
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Speaker 6: hundred and seventy nine yards in his thirteen games. So

788
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Speaker 6: I think Jones is a poor man's Josh Allen, who

789
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 6: can who has more passing upside?

790
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Speaker 3: And then Joe Burrow. If you've seen you Joe Burrow.

791
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Speaker 6: Play at LSU in his final season, you know this

792
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 6: dude has all takes to be special. So it's just

793
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Speaker 6: about how soon does it happen for me? It's not

794
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 6: will it happen, it's just how soon. Because the first

795
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 6: year he came to LSU hughes average. The second year

796
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 6: he really went absolutely berserk, and you know, he threw

797
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 6: sixty touchdown passes. So it might be year two for Borrow,

798
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Speaker 6: but he's a guy. I'm willing to take the shout

799
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Speaker 6: out because as Ian mentioned, guys drafted first overall at quarterback,

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Speaker 6: they've put up essentially a medium twob ten season since

801
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Speaker 6: twenty eleven. If They've started at least thirteen games, so

802
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 6: looks like a pretty high floor. And especially with that

803
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 6: defense and Zach tayror willingness to pass, the Bengals are

804
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 6: in the top ten and pass attempts last year. I

805
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 6: think there's more upside the downside. So Jones and Borrow

806
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 6: are the two guys that I'm almost always targeting. I

807
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 6: almost never draft another quarterback unless I have to because

808
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 6: it's the best ball with or something besides those two.

809
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 6: But if I did, Gardner Minsh would be a guy

810
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Speaker 6: just for the rushing upside and the bad defense.

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Speaker 2: You and Corner diverge pretty strongly when it comes to Burrow.

812
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: You're much closer. When it comes to Daniel Jones. I'm

813
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Speaker 2: entirely off of Daniel Jones, and I'm probably wrong. I

814
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Speaker 2: fully admit he has the upside, right, he had, as

815
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Speaker 2: you said, the four thirty point fantasy games last year

816
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 2: as a rookie, flashed tremendous upside. And he has good

817
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 2: receiving weapons there. Right, he has Golden Tates, Sterling Shepherd.

818
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll say they're a little slot heavy, but

819
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: he still has good receiving options. Darius Slayton flashed as

820
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 2: a rookie. Evan Ingram, if he's healthy, is one of

821
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 2: the top tight ends in Saquon Barkley fantastic receiving options,

822
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Speaker 2: so he has the potential. I'm just so down on

823
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Speaker 2: Jason Garrett. His offense is going to be slow paced,

824
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: it's going to be running back focused. It's suboptimal. Even

825
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: when they should be throwing, they're going to run more

826
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Speaker 2: than they should. Sean, I mean split the difference. I

827
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 2: know you're higher on Daniel Jones than I am, but

828
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Speaker 2: what do you see here?

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Speaker 7: I would agree with Raybond and Ian with their Burrow

830
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Speaker 7: and Daniel Jones takes. I think it depends on the

831
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Speaker 7: league type. Daniel Jones for Best of Ball makes a

832
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 7: ton of sense. You don't have to figure out which

833
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 7: weeks he's gonna go off, but he will.

834
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Speaker 2: Again.

835
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Speaker 7: He brings seventh in my Best Ball Points Added metric.

836
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Speaker 7: He has that rushing up side. As Raybaum mentioned, he

837
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Speaker 7: can just go off throwing touchdowns. He has the weapons

838
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Speaker 7: to do that again, so you know he's the guy

839
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Speaker 7: I would target in Best Ball and Burrow again, he's

840
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Speaker 7: a high upside QB two. That's the range where I'm

841
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 7: going to be drafting guys much higher than my medium projections.

842
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 7: Right now, I have Burrow ranked nineteenth, and there's reasons

843
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 7: for that, but you know, I'd be willing to reach

844
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 7: and you know, bet on his ceiling hitting more often

845
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 7: than not, so I can get behind the Burrow love

846
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 7: drafting is said QB QB two. But the one guy

847
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Speaker 7: in this range that I definitely am interested in getting

848
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 7: pretty late is Gardner Minshew, and it's because I could

849
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Speaker 7: see him being like the twenty twenty version of Ryan Fitzpatrick.

850
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 7: The Jaggers are going to be terrible that they could

851
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 7: enter you know, tank mode right away and we could

852
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 7: see Minshew just play yolo ball DJ Chark all year.

853
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 7: You know, essentially this season is an audition for Gardner Minshew,

854
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 7: so I could to see him playing super aggressive a

855
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 7: lah Ryan Fitzpatrick. He has sneaky rushing upside. I can't

856
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 7: emphasize that enough. He was He had the fifth most

857
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 7: games with thirty plus rushing yards with six. I mean

858
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 7: that's more than Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott and Raven always mentions.

859
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 7: You know, rushing yards is one of the stickiest things

860
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 7: for QB. So given those underlying metrics, and the potential

861
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 7: to just you know, play yolo ball all year. Gardner

862
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 7: mentioned is definitely worth a flyer this light.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I don't know if I actually want

864
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: to hurt myself by talking about Sam Darnold or Dwayne Haskins,

865
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Speaker 2: but Ian is there because you're an Ohio State truther.

866
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Speaker 2: So there's, you know, the Dwayne Haskins connection. There is

867
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 2: there any reason to be enthusiastic about Dwayne Haskins and

868
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: or Sam Jarnald, you know, like a normal person will

869
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: have them ranked easily outside of the top twenty five,

870
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: probably closer to like numbers twenty nine, thirty thirty one. Whatever.

871
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: Is there something that everyone is missing?

872
00:39:59,600 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 7: Now?

873
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 4: You know, we got the snail gas pace in New York.

874
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 5: And then for Haskins, like, I don't think he was

875
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 5: as bad we saw at the end of season.

876
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 4: He wasn't as bad as when he started out.

877
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 5: He got thrown to the fire against the Giants and Vikings,

878
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 5: and then when they finally decided it was time to

879
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 5: start them, Hey, Dwayne, you know, have fun at Buffalo

880
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 5: in your first career NFL start, and you know when

881
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 5: the offensive plan was pretty much run Adrian Peterson up

882
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 5: the middle to his heartst desire, Like yeah, you know,

883
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 5: it wasn't really all that conducive to a rookie quarterback

884
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 5: falling out. So we did start to see some of

885
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 5: that on talent, you know, what made him a first

886
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 5: round pick towards the end of the year, But it

887
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 5: didn't add any weapons. I love Terry McLaurin, but I

888
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 5: don't know, maybe getting another decent wide receiver there at

889
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 5: least maybe they use Antonio Gibson.

890
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 4: The best way possible.

891
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 5: But now it's just not a situation I'm looking to

892
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 5: target real quick though. I'm not buying Baker Mayfield at

893
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 5: all this year. Im I'd almost rather take a shot

894
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 5: lower on those guys than taking Baker as the QB

895
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 5: fourteen or whatever his ADP is. I mean, we're just,

896
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 5: I guess hoping he goes back to what he was

897
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 5: doing the second half of twenty eighteen. Because Stefanski's coming

898
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 5: to Cleveland, that's gonna most likely be a run first offense.

899
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 5: Now we know Baker has no rushing floor and like

900
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 5: you look at last season, Kirk Cousins said, career high

901
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 5: marks across the board and like every efficiency statistic was

902
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 5: the QB nineteen fantasy points per game. I mean, I

903
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 5: think we would be thrilled if Baker could have that

904
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 5: sort of season, but it's just not gonna be all

905
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 5: that great for fantasy success. So definitely not Baker. I

906
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 5: echo the Gardener points. Just with that rushing floor and

907
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 5: quickly with Gardner, and I'll send the next guy. But

908
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 5: starts season off Colts. Titan's not ideal Dolphins, Bengals, Texans,

909
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 5: and Lions before that Week seven by So don't be

910
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 5: afraid to get Gardner as late as he's going, and

911
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 5: you know, be ready to spots start after those first

912
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 5: two games.

913
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 2: Raymond, any thoughts, I believe we've talked about Drew Locke.

914
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,839
Speaker 2: Any thoughts on him? I think you're, you know, like,

915
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: relatively around consensus but somewhat pessimistic about him. I think

916
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 2: I'm a little more optimistic, which means that my enthusiasm

917
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 2: tends to manifest in exuberant rankings for Courtland Sutton and

918
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: Noah Fan But where are you on Drew Locke?

919
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 6: I just don't think, uh, he has proven enough for

920
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 6: me to for us to get excited. I think we're

921
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 6: excited for a combination of the fact that he's he's

922
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 6: this unknown and the Broncos added some some sexy, you know,

923
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 6: wide receiving talent in the draft.

924
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: But you look at the situation.

925
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 6: In Denver and they have a new offensive coordinator, they

926
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 6: have youth all around Lock. You know, locke Is has

927
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 6: only made five starts, and then you have no Offen.

928
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 6: Entering year two, you have uh Sun and entering year three,

929
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 6: you have two rookies projected to start, and if not,

930
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 6: you're gonna have a couple of year three guys uh In,

931
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 6: Tim Patrick and Deshaun Hamilton. And I would hope that

932
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 6: they don't get on the field, but you never know

933
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 6: with these with these guys, but a lot of newness

934
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 6: coming together, and I think that is a quarterback with

935
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 6: the abbreviated offseason.

936
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 3: That it could hurt.

937
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 6: And when Lock was in the games last year, yeah

938
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 6: they won games, they went four and one, but they

939
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 6: weren't that great. They only outscored teams, but I think

940
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 6: it was about a point or two per game, and

941
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 6: Lock averaged six point five yards per attempt. He didn't

942
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 6: really do anything that impressive other than that game where

943
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 6: Houston just didn't come to play and he threw three

944
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 6: hundred and nine yards, three touchdowns, one pick, twenty two

945
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 6: or twenty seven. But for the most part, I think

946
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 6: Vic Fangio wants to be a kind of run first,

947
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 6: defensive minded team, and I don't know if with this

948
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 6: abbreviated all season, they're just gonna let loose with all

949
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 6: these weapons, even with Shermer coming in and taking over.

950
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 3: So I'm just you know, I get it with Lock.

951
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 6: I think he'll have some value certain weeks when, for example,

952
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 6: when they play the Chiefs, I think, you know, they'll

953
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 6: have to score some points.

954
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 3: But I'm not as excited about Lock.

955
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 6: I don't think he's worth like a dark horse MVP

956
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 6: bet or anything like that. It's just I think it's

957
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 6: probably still a year away for Lock, and we don't

958
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 6: know if he's actually that good.

959
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: Sean, I believe that when Sam Darnold was entering the league,

960
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: I had him ranked as the number one quarterback in

961
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 2: his class. Maybe I'm I'm remembering that falsely, but definitely

962
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: top two like I had him up there. It seems

963
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: as if I made a grave error in judgment. I'm

964
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 2: wondering if you have any hope at all for Sam Donald.

965
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 7: No, No, I'm not gonna given any Sam Darnold talk

966
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 7: or Dwayne Haskins.

967
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm with Ian.

968
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm trying to think of the analogy. So

969
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 7: like you're in Vegas on a Saturday night and you're

970
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 7: having dinner at a food court. That's kind of what

971
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 7: it feels like drafting Sam Darnold Dwayne Haskins. It's like

972
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 7: something went wrong to get there and you're either you know,

973
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 7: rallying or you know, just plans fell apart and you're

974
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 7: having to get one of these guys. I do not

975
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 7: go into a draft just thinking oh, I can grab

976
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 7: one of these guys later. These guys are emergency, break

977
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 7: the glass. Something went wrong in your draft and you

978
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 7: have to take these guys. That's all I have to

979
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 7: say about these twqbs.

980
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: Fantastic and how you there? All right? I want to

981
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: hit on a couple of quarterback battles, especially those involving

982
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 2: two rookie courts. So the first one, we have Tua

983
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: tuga Iiloa going off the board as a number twenty

984
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: seven quarterback for the Dolphins, going against Ryan Fitzpatrick. Tua

985
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: is coming off a career threatening hip injury that caused

986
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: him to slip a little bit in the NFL draft.

987
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: Fitzpatrick has five years with new offensive coordinator Channing Gayly,

988
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: so knows the system very well. And then they're also

989
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 2: the decent receiving options Devontae Parker, Preston Williams, Mike YASICKI

990
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: Fitzpatrick has some continuity with them. I think Fitzpatrick has

991
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: the inside track on this job, and I think that

992
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: he might be good enough and the team might be

993
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: risk averse enough to keep Tua on the bench for

994
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: a pretty significant chunk of the season. But Raybond, I

995
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: believe that you are higher on higher on Tua, thinking

996
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 2: that he will probably get into the starting lineup sooner.

997
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: I I want your thoughts on Tua and Fitzpatrick.

998
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't ranked preey Loaks.

999
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 5: I just think we see a split to some extent,

1000
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 5: but I give to the you know, definitely he should

1001
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 5: be the favorite.

1002
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 4: I think to start more games.

1003
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 5: I mean, seventeen of twenty top ten qbs drafted since

1004
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 5: twenty ten have started at least ten games as a rookie,

1005
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 5: So you know, there are a few exceptions here and there,

1006
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 5: but generally top ten, especially on a team that you

1007
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 5: know they were fun by the end of last season.

1008
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 5: But I don't think they're going to get started too

1009
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 5: hot out of the gates. Yeah, it's going to be

1010
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 5: too eventually. I just worry about how much fantasy upside

1011
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 5: he really has. I mean, the dude never even cleared

1012
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 5: fifty rushing yards in the college game once. I know,

1013
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 5: he gets like the Russell Wilson kind of comparisons for

1014
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 5: his ability to improvise and throw the ball down field,

1015
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 5: you know, sacks kind of against rushing yards. Maybe we'll

1016
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 5: see Josh Allen esque rushing floora merge even though it

1017
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 5: wasn't there in.

1018
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 4: College type situation. But I don't know.

1019
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 5: It's still an offensive line that they threw a lot

1020
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 5: of pieces about. I hope Tua's hip is doing good,

1021
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 5: but I'm generally just staying away here.

1022
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 4: But hey, if Fitzpatrick can somehow.

1023
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 5: Get that job and keep it, look out because once

1024
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 5: he got that starting job last year, from week seven on,

1025
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 5: only Lamar Jackson was scoring more Fantasy points.

1026
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: Rave on thoughts here onto versus Fitzpatrick.

1027
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, normal circumstances, you would think Toua would be the guy.

1028
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 6: But the more I look at the fact that Chan

1029
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 6: Gaily and you mentioned it is the OC and the

1030
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 6: history that they that he has with Fitzpatrick. I think

1031
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 6: there's well within the range of outcomes, and it might

1032
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 6: even be the.

1033
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: Most likely outcome.

1034
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 6: I hate to say it for tour truthers, but that

1035
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 6: Fitzpatrick just starts every game because that's kind of been

1036
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 6: gaily like a veteran guy, that's kind of been his

1037
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 6: MO and it's his first year on the job.

1038
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 3: He might just go with the guy he trusts. I

1039
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 3: don't think.

1040
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 6: Anyone would blame the Dolphins if they, you know.

1041
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 3: Gave to a red shirt year.

1042
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 6: A lot of people seem to be concerned about his health,

1043
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 6: and I think even the fan base would kind of

1044
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 6: feel comfortable if they did that. And Fitzpatrick has you know,

1045
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 6: in Buffalo, in New York, he's been the guy and

1046
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 6: he's actually had some pretty good seasons under chan Gailly.

1047
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: So there's a.

1048
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 6: Possibility, a real possibility, that Fitzpatrick just starts week one

1049
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 6: and starts every game. So I think Fitzpatrick should be

1050
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 6: ran higher. And I think the issue with Fitzpatrick is

1051
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 6: again now we're talking about streaming quarterbacks for the most part,

1052
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 6: and they start the year against New England, so that's

1053
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 6: not an ideal matchup, not a necessary guy you want

1054
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 6: in your line at week one, But Fitzpatrick will have

1055
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 6: his days if he's the starter, and I think he

1056
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 6: actually will start start more game.

1057
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: Sean, where are you on TUA versus fits?

1058
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, you guys actually helped me lower my TU

1059
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 7: games played projection. I was around eleven and a half

1060
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 7: heading into our player prop pod and now I'm close

1061
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 7: to fifty to fifty split and I'm not really targeting

1062
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 7: to it in any drafts. I think it's all about,

1063
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 7: you know, should you take a late round flyer on

1064
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 7: Ryan Fitzpatrick in the Best Ball League to be your

1065
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 7: QB three. I think you know, if he's going to

1066
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 7: play eight or more games, he'll crush value where he's

1067
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 7: going right now. So I think Ryan Fitzpatrick, you guys

1068
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 7: have mentioned it, he's probably worth the gamble. And yeah,

1069
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 7: the way this season setting up, I'm not so sure

1070
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 7: the Dolphins really want to a starting any games. So

1071
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 7: you know, this is one of those situations where you know,

1072
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 7: if you draft Fitzpatrick late and you know he's able

1073
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 7: to play more than half the games, I think he'll

1074
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 7: provide value Best Ball and especially you know as a

1075
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 7: streaming option. You know, he's unlikely to be drafted in

1076
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 7: most redraft leagues. If he has a good matchup, I'm

1077
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 7: more than willing to throw Ram Fitzpatrick in there, even

1078
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 7: in one QB re draft leagues this year.

1079
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 2: All Right, I want to talk about Justin Herbert versus

1080
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: Tyrod Taylor. Herbert's going as the number thirty one quarterback

1081
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: off the board. In college, he was athletic, strong armed,

1082
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: four your starter, but he never really fully developed, never

1083
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 2: became the guy that he was expected to become. Tyrod,

1084
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: on the other hand, when he's started, he's been a

1085
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: high floor type of guy. Let's just not count what

1086
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: happened with the Browns because that was its own separate thing.

1087
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: You know, Hugh Jackson did what he does. But Tyrod

1088
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 2: has been a high floor starter. He has a history

1089
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 2: with head coat Anthony Lynn from their time together in Buffalo,

1090
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: and he's been on the team for a year, so

1091
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 2: he at least has some familiarity with the players there

1092
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: and with the system. And I do like some of

1093
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 2: the players there. You have Keenan Allen and Mike Williams,

1094
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 2: a wide receiver, Tighten Hunter Henry and then Austin Eckler,

1095
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: who I think might be, you know, just behind Christian

1096
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 2: McCaffrey in terms of his ability as a pass catcher

1097
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 2: out of the backfield. So there are some options there.

1098
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: I think Tyrod is kind of intriguing as a high floor,

1099
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 2: late round option because that defense might be good enough

1100
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: to keep the offense in games and to help them

1101
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: win games. And I think as long as they are competitive,

1102
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: as long as they are winning, they have some incentive

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Speaker 2: to keep going with Tyrod Taylor and to keep Justin

1104
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Speaker 2: Herbert on the bench. So I think I'm a little

1105
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: bit more enthusiastic about Tyrod Taylor, maybe than I should be,

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Speaker 2: or maybe than some other people. But Ian, what are

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Speaker 2: your thoughts here on Herbert versus Tyrod.

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of you said makesa's particularly the

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00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 5: point where he was on the roster last year. It's

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00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 5: not like they brought in Tyrod to compete against the

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00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 5: rookie this year. I mean, he is familiar with him,

1112
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 5: even going back to his days in Buffalo. Anthony Lynn

1113
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 5: was on that coaching staff, and you look at in

1114
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 5: those years and I think we're underestimating just how much

1115
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 5: tig ty got could help transform this rushing attack, and

1116
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 5: I was looking at some PFF team wide numbers for

1117
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 5: yards before contact per rush, and you know, kind of

1118
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 5: helped show the offensive line, but dual threat quarterbacks just

1119
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 5: provide this whole other look for defense to worry about.

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Speaker 5: The top four seasons and the team wide yards for

1121
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 5: contact last five years are two Tyrod teams in twenty

1122
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 5: fifteen to twenty sixteen, and then Lamar Jackson and Kyler

1123
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 5: Murray from last season. So he truly does have that

1124
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 5: impact as a rusher. I mean, you look at the

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00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 5: three years he was a starter five hundred and sixty

1126
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Speaker 5: eight five hundred and eighty four hundred and twenty seven

1127
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 5: rushing yards, So we know he's gonna be giving us

1128
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 5: some fantasy friendly production when he's under center. How long

1129
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 5: can he do it? And I'm curious to get Sean

1130
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 5: Stot on the line. I think it's five and a

1131
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 5: half because you look at this start, He's got the Bengals, Chiefs, Panthers,

1132
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 5: great great great Bucks at Saints and then a shout

1133
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 5: out to Action Network Stucky. He brought up a good

1134
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 5: point because I thought after that Saints game like it

1135
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 5: could be toast. But it's a short week going to

1136
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 5: the Jets stuck. He's already you know, he's got the

1137
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 5: air miles for every team he's got, you know, short

1138
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 5: weeks and weeks seven already figured out. It's a short

1139
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 5: week before the Jets game. If Tyrock can hold on,

1140
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 5: he gets Jets, Dolphins, Jaguars, Raiders before the bye, he

1141
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 5: could freaking be a QB one by the time they

1142
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 5: get there.

1143
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Speaker 7: So you're setting the line. It was five and a

1144
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 7: half games started, Yeah, oh, I would smash the over.

1145
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Speaker 7: I'm with Free, I'm with all you guys. He's my

1146
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 7: favorite QB three flyer. For everything you guys laid out,

1147
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 7: He's in a situation where, yeah, he could play all

1148
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 7: sixteen games. The Chargers aren't exactly a rebuilding team, and

1149
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 7: they should be pretty competent with him under center. And

1150
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 7: Justin Herbert's is the type of QB that does need

1151
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,319
Speaker 7: some time to develop, and you know, the lack of

1152
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 7: offseason is going to hurt him.

1153
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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 7: There won't be any fans chanting, you know, like you

1155
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 7: mentioned in Cleveland they had the fans chanting put in

1156
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 7: Baker Mayfield. He won't have that element either going on.

1157
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 7: So I love Tyrod Taylor. He has the weapons. Sheenan

1158
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 7: Allen will be open pretty much every play. Mike Williams

1159
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 7: will be an interesting fit hunter Henry Austin Eckler. He

1160
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 7: has the talent around him and the rushing upside to

1161
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 7: you know, put up borderline QB one numbers certain weeks.

1162
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 7: So yeah, I can get behind taking a flyer in

1163
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 7: Tyrod Taylor the QB three range, and I would not

1164
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 7: be surprised if he started as much as possible this year.

1165
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 7: So I have his games played at ten and a

1166
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 7: half right now?

1167
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: Actually, Rayvon, where are you on Tyrod? In specifically kind

1168
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: of thinking about how many games he might play this year?

1169
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's a kind of loose, loose projection,

1170
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 2: very tentative, but where are you I have.

1171
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 3: Him kind of split.

1172
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Speaker 6: I think I have Taylor starting like eight and a

1173
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,399
Speaker 6: half in Herbert seven and a half or something like that.

1174
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 6: But more I think about it, the more I'm kind

1175
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 6: of pessimistic on Tyrod Taylor.

1176
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 3: And here's why.

1177
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Speaker 6: If you look at what Tyrod Taylor did in the

1178
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 6: success he had, it was pretty.

1179
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 3: Much exclusively with Greg Roman.

1180
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 6: He had his two best seasons in Buffalo in twenty

1181
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 6: fifteen and sixteen with Roman. When Roman left that next year,

1182
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 6: you know, his QBR dropped, his passerating draft, and he

1183
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 6: ultimately was off the team the year after that. Then

1184
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 6: he went to Cleveland and he asked the three games

1185
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 6: as a starter. You look at and there was a

1186
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 6: similar kind of scenario playing out with Colin Kaepernick. Where

1187
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 6: from the start of Kaepernick's career in twenty eleven until

1188
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 6: you know, twenty fourteen, he had he had Greg Roman there,

1189
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,439
Speaker 6: and he had a QBR of at least sixty each

1190
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 6: of those years, and then the first year without Roman

1191
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 6: it was forty three point four. In the second year

1192
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 6: it was forty nine point five, and then he was

1193
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 6: out of the league, perhaps for other reasons we don't

1194
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 6: exactly know, but the point is his actual play dropped off.

1195
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 6: Then you look at Lamar Jackson, who you know, in

1196
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 6: year one was a guy who just came into the league,

1197
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 6: wasn't really ready to be a quarterback in terms of

1198
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 6: the throwing aspect. By year two, he's leading the league

1199
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 6: in touchdown passes. Who's behind it, Greg Roman. I just

1200
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 6: don't know if Tyrod Taylor can kind of reach the

1201
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 6: best of his abilities without Roman, because Roman is just

1202
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 6: kind of a special coach with that kind of quarterback.

1203
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 6: So I think that Taylor they could win with him.

1204
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 6: He's not a guy who's gonna make many mistakes, but

1205
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 6: his fatal flaw is that he misses reads, especially over

1206
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 6: the middle of the field. So that could hurt when

1207
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 6: you have a Keenan Allen and a Hunter Henry if

1208
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 6: you don't actually let the ball go when those guys

1209
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 6: are open. So the more I think about it, I

1210
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 6: am a little bit pessimistic on Taylor without Greg Roman Raybon.

1211
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Speaker 2: Basically, what I took away from what you said was

1212
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 2: that people in fantasy need to trade Lamar Jackson now

1213
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,399
Speaker 2: before Greg Roman leaves Baltimore. That's what I took away

1214
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 2: from it.

1215
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 3: I don't think it's that I don't think it's that deep.

1216
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 3: I think Lamar is so talented.

1217
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 6: But what I'm saying is that Greg Roman, with these

1218
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 6: guys like Kaepernick, was viewed as like a prospect, like

1219
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 6: a developmental quarterback, and so was Taylor. I think people

1220
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 6: forget that at one point he was kind of looked

1221
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 6: at his like this wide receiver Taysom Hill, hybrid player

1222
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 6: in Baltimore, and then he came to Buffalo and all

1223
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 6: of a sudden, we're thinking of him as a starter

1224
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 6: and that was all Greg Roman and it hasn't been

1225
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 6: the same since.

1226
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 3: So just something to kind of think about Ian.

1227
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 2: Any final thoughts here, kind of big picture thoughts on

1228
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: these quarterbacks outside of the top twelve.

1229
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 5: Go get Cam Newton and Joe Burrow upside there underrated

1230
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 5: floor and they're just not costing much.

1231
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 4: I mean, Sean brought us up with a few guys

1232
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 4: like you're not.

1233
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 5: I mean, okay, I have Burrow and Cam ranked a

1234
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 5: little higher, but you can get them closer to that

1235
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 5: QB twenty range right now. So you know when you're used,

1236
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 5: when you're getting a QB that late, like, it's not

1237
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 5: burning your team, you're using a ninth timeh round pick.

1238
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 4: On the guy. Those aren't what kill you.

1239
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 5: It kills you when you're reaching on Tom Brady, you know,

1240
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 5: because everyone else in your league wants these pocket passers

1241
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 5: that are forty three years old.

1242
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 4: So don't be afraid to wait, wait, wait, and then

1243
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 4: try yourself a little rushing floor.

1244
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: Do yourself a favor, all right, ray Bon, we know

1245
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 2: that you absolutely hate Cam Newton out of these guys

1246
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 2: outside of the top twelve at his current ADP. Who's

1247
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 2: the guy you like the most?

1248
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 6: Hamiel Jones and Joe Burrow. This is a tie for me,

1249
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 6: both of those guys. I have him ranked eighty nine,

1250
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 6: so is a tie both of those guys. You can

1251
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 6: get him outside of the top twelve.

1252
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 2: Okay, and odds maker, what about you.

1253
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 7: Anybody outside of the Vegas food court tier of Darnold

1254
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 7: and Haskins. It's the Vegas buffet here where just every

1255
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 7: week I'm streaming. The guys are the best matchup, just

1256
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 7: giving the best of both worlds.

1257
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: All right, Ian, what do you guys have going on

1258
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 2: at PFF right now?

1259
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got articles coming out pretty much every single day.

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Speaker 5: You can check me out on Twitter at iHeart it's

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Speaker 5: I H A R T I t Z fanashing up

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Speaker 5: my twenty kind of article series for July. Also check

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1264
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Speaker 5: Tuesday and Thursday and some shorter team preview episodes.

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Speaker 4: Out throughout the rest of the week.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, all, thanks Fantasy Football, Thanks a much for

1267
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 5: having me on guys.

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Speaker 4: It was good talking to you guys again.

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Speaker 2: Is Ian said, you can follow him at iHeart It's

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Speaker 2: breaking down tight ends, so be sure to check that out.

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