WEBVTT - Conversations About Gangsta Rap 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:04.400 Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:06.120 Selling's podcast with your host. 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:09.120 Now fuck that with your load glasses malone. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.320 Click click bow y'alld dove kick the frame in Nigga, 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:21.000 Let the games begin as I stand then tossed the 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:22.919 tall cand on the campus, out the land of the 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:26.600 scan list, taking penitentiary chances, sick wooded off the rick 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:30.840 wooded blue beanie, knitted freshly acquidded, grind grime me the 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.200 big body and the big body with lyrics and drulics 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:37.479 hotter than a hobby selling globo, bailing career, felling escalate, 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.840 three braive beer wear, fuck it a thug for free 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.480 and thug eat. Niggas call me your hog kid because 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.280 I love the cheese thanks to hustlers pimps. If you 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:48.440 follow me, let me see you put your hands up 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.040 like a robbery. I solemnly swear to stay down and 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.160 slain the sea. I spit in the name of the streets. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.880 I'm gone a row, nigga artist. 0:00:58.320 --> 0:00:59.400 Love sea is hard. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:01.080 Niggas are real live city. 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:04.520 What's funny is when niggas be talking about dub and 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:08.080 they really got on him because of when he became 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:12.039 a better songwriter, right, and it really the chance, the 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.839 chance style, you know what I mean, that made him 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:19.880 like such a better songwriter. But most people only discovered him, 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:23.240 you know, because his songwriting got better, right, the records 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.440 got better, So now you're hearing it the more right 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:29.400 and it worked out for him well. But it's funny 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.320 that people don't realize how dope of an MC he is. 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:33.639 Just flat out Oh. 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:35.880 Dub is a lyricist. I think people get caught too 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:37.880 cut up with the bing bing bang bang and all 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:38.560 that stuff, you. 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.759 Know, which is necessary, which is necessary if you want 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.800 to be a great songwriter, Like when he did the 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:46.320 Top Head. 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:52.040 My favorite one from him is that's right, y'all, go ahead, 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:55.440 dub go ahead, rock that shit the top shit. 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.640 Yeah on my track walk Jaggie as fuck with the 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:02.440 slow funk example, the problem to that song. 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.360 You are the ones? You are the ones you you Yeah. 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.919 Double So thinking about early dub C, you know what 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.880 I'm saying, like low profile, hearing some of his stuff 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.080 when I was younger, then hearing it as an adult 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.600 mass circle, you know what I'm saying, Like he was 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.360 already an MC. You could tell he was like vested 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.160 in hip hop a lot different than most West Coast artists. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:28.480 But you know, even as he developed into a better 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.639 record rider where he would have those jingles and chants, 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:36.079 that is amazing And it's funny that again people define 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.160 him as an MC that way. They're like, oh, this 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.920 is the type MC is, Like, Nah, duve really rapped 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.600 for me, But he also became such a better record 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.480 It's like hearing the later ice Q without hearing the 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:48.160 early ice Q. 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:51.480 Like if you never heard kill that, will you. 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:55.200 Know death certificate kid America's most you know, straight out 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:58.079 of content any of that stuff, and you only heard 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:03.359 you know, uh and you own only heard like dubs 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:07.400 like ice Cube off West Side Connection, mm hm, you 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:10.160 know what I mean? Where he's uh got lyrics to 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.000 Wake of Spirits. They showed me how to spin big heads. 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:15.280 Oh no, they showed me how to wake digits and 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.120 spin digits. Like if you hear him later on where 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.840 he's yayy I pushed, Like, if you only heard that 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.920 ice Cube, you kind of missed what made ice qbe 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:28.040 fantastic as an MC before me record. 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:32.000 Writer listening to pay Dues DUBC and listening to later 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.520 dub C has two different experiences because pay Due's DUBC 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:38.320 was hard to see him too. But when he started 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:40.880 just thinking about Halleen Genistad, he was to put top 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.640 Cat in your wrap that you do stage right for 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.440 the Radical Evening, we got the mass circle in the 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:50.800 house this evening. Get down. Then you're dune quit Yeah, 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:52.920 rock rocket. 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:53.680 Yeah, that's hard. 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:55.160 That was hard saying. 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:59.000 But to me, like the mastery part of m saying 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.040 dog is when you do something that becomes your own. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.920 See like, yes, there is a traditionally dope MC where 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:09.280 they just put words together and they have a decent 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.640 flow and you know the words. But then there's a 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.560 mastery as a rapper where you start to do things 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.719 that only become you doing them. That's where to me, 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.160 dub C is at or Ice Q, where they start 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.120 to do things that uniquely become just their own. 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:31.880 That's well, you know what the thing is, man, and 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:33.840 I know we feel in this conversation we was gonna 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.680 talk about some whole other stuff. The thing about Duve 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.320 what people don't understand is that dub is a master 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:43.799 human beat boxer. Dub is a master freestyle of dub 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:44.560 is a real. 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:49.080 MC, your master, and it's funny you saying that, you know, 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.359 whereever fuck with the conversation was supposed to go. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:53.880 That's the thing. 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.640 I think there's a difference between a rapper and an MC, 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.880 Like a MC is judged by really how they write 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.400 for the most part, and you wouldn't think they are, 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.240 but they're really judged by how they're right, how they write, 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.440 you know, double entendres, similes, you know, blah blah blah 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:14.680 or master. Rapper is judged by how dope their professional 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.160 rap songs are. So a lot of the times when 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.839 we call somebody just rapping on a corner rapping, Yes, rapping, 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:25.960 but that's really m seeing they're controlling the space. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:30.880 But a rapper is really judged by how you know, 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:35.719 they actually make a rap record work. And it's funny 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:38.120 because I think as a as an MC, I'm on 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.719 a like a final level of getting to where that 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:44.880 is to where uniquely what I do is only minds. 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:46.120 I haven't got there yet. 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.719 Where Dub is at so or where Cube is at 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:50.400 or where jay Z is at. 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:51.440 It's still a step. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.960 It's like it's like it's like when you find that glow, 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:56.880 like with a Bruce Lee Royd. 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.839 It's like they got the glow for sure. I'm gonna 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:03.800 tell you one of my most memorable experiences. Me and 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.119 high Sea probably performed at Choir Canyons probably a hundred 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:12.599 times easily. And I remember it was high Sea, dub 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:16.679 C and MC breed Rest and pre SMC Breed And 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.359 for dub just to have the awareness that we was 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:22.320 in the house full of Mexican people and he said, 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.800 we're all just little shit, like we're all my latinos 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.400 at and how they went crazy and how he just 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:29.640 started getting his walk on and he just did all 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.040 that fly gangs and stuff that night. Even for Breed 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.400 to come out there and have the awareness to say, Okay, 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:37.400 I'm not gonna do all these songs. He just started 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:41.039 off with to the Beach, y'all that's dope and wasn't 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.080 gonna kill a vibe and he just had a rocking dog. 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.400 He did that song three times in the row that night. 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:49.160 And people want to hear it, especially that song. I'm 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:53.720 I'm I know I'm a master in ce. I mean 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.479 I'm at a place to where I write uniquely in 0:06:56.560 --> 0:07:00.720 my own style, my own flow, my own pace, a 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.080 master rapper where I master a rap style to where 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.200 when you hear it, every time you can separate him 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:09.359 be like, oh that's just glasses No. And to me 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:13.200 it's like I probably can MC as great as you 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.360 can MC. Like I could probably be on a song 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.480 with Rock Kim or a song with car Face and 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:22.560 have a memorable verse. But can I make I seen 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:26.640 a man die? Is true mastery as a rapper, not 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.120 as MC as a rapper. You know, to have a 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.680 sixteen that I can compete with. I can compete with 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:33.840 Lil Wayne when at a time I knew I couldn't, 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.880 Like now I can compete with Lil Wayne when we're 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.720 rapping on the same song. But can I make a MILLI? 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.400 Can I make a rap song that becomes infinitely mind 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.640 to where you hear it, you could automatically say that's 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:49.040 a glasses rap song. And to me, it's the difference 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.640 between M singing and rapping. Like you know what I'm saying. 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.920 I'm gonna tell you man, when you start talking about 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:59.960 Lil Wayne, that's as good as it gets. C that's 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.800 as good as a Getting scar faced is as good 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:06.200 as it gets. Even hole, that's as good as it get. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.600 You know, what's funny. Dub C is as great as 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:10.120 it gets. 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:12.520 Hard. 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.920 But the difference is the production got to be at 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.760 a certain level and Dubb didn't really get that. You 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.320 see the one album he did with battle Cat, he 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:25.920 got a gold album independently, not with a death jam, 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.040 you know, I mean they switched it up and try 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:29.960 to figure it out on the next album, but the 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.840 shadiest one, you know what I mean, you got something special, 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.120 Like he's a master, even if you know his sales 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.200 sheet doesn't show it, but to go go independently proves it. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.360 Actually, well you know what, you would think that dub 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.760 would have double back with battle Cat. I'm gonna tell 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.640 you some I'm gonna break some news on those ceilings 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:53.239 right now. Sure, I'm like in the process of executive 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.600 producing album for MC eight. Right yeah, this is gonna 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.360 be his last album, that's what he's saying. And I 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.079 don't like when rappers say that, but you know, he 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.199 said this is gonna be and me knowing a that 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.280 kind of take him seriously because he don't say stuff 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:08.320 just for shock value and just and that was one 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.640 of the things looking at, saying, Okay, what can I 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:14.520 add to a story? Career. You know, eight don't have 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:18.720 three gold albums. He just had three gold albums. Hen 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:20.720 been around for you and stood the test of time. Dog, 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:22.840 you know how hard it was the last thirty thirty 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.200 five years in this game. It's very few people that 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.040 can do that. And still, you know, he suck just 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.240 sold out Europe and I think he's a lot bigger 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.319 than what he thinks he is. He's a lot more 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:34.640 repaired than what he thinks than. 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:36.679 In his mind MC eight. 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:41.000 And what I realized with eight is that what made eight, 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.640 what made all those gold albums and success, what made 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.719 music to drive by and all that of success, right, 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.040 it was the sonics of it this because he had 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.760 a producer around him. Those were really producer leg you know, 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:55.240 he had. 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.679 DJ Slip, one of the colder you know, he had 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.520 DJ Slip. Credit man Slip is amazing. 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:06.079 Oh we Slip is amazing. But I looked and I said, Okay, 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.679 what's the two thousand who can be his twenty twenty four, 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:13.560 twenty twenty five DJ Slipping and as crazy as it is. 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.400 And we was talking to rock Marsa. He shout out 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:22.760 to the hommy rock. He understands the sonics that made 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.040 eight great because that's what he grew up on, right, 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:27.520 and that's what influenced him. It's a lot of soul 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.720 for stuff, you know, a lot of soul for jazzy stuff. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.360 So I think that's gonna be real interesting, man. But 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.680 what I want to do is incorporate some battlecat in 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:37.000 with that. 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:42.360 You know, it's funny, man. So first off, no seilings gl. 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.360 Peter's in California, but I think he's a little busy 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:47.880 so we might not get him. So I got my 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:52.480 big brother Steal as usual recurring person on those seilings, 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.040 and we're just talking about some flat out hip hop. 0:10:58.520 --> 0:10:58.760 Eight. 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.840 You know what made eight special? He had a version 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:06.920 of blues funk, you know, I mean it was funky blues. 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:11.000 So it does have a jazzy element, but it's really 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.080 bluesy when you think like all for the Money, you 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:15.680 know what I mean. That's a jazz song, but it's 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.400 more of a bluesy style jazz song when you think 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.920 of you know, the song that they did using clear 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:27.200 Patrick's theme boys, and that's bluesy, like eight is more 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:32.880 of a blues funk person and as now if okay, 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:35.640 So it's funny that I wanted to talk to you 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:37.160 about this, and I didn't even call you to talk 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.000 about this. But I think people confuse what a A and 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:44.160 R job is. And I think it's because record labels 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:46.680 never really did a great job of explaining. 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.080 Itz A and R. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.240 They don't produce your records. 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.760 See there's a confusion that A and RS just bring 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:56.680 you beats and you rap and they put together album. 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.319 It's not really what happens. A producer producer is your 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:07.480 records ignor's job is outside of finding talent, finding marketable talent, 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:11.920 is they become a bridge between a product that a 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.000 label is financing and a product manager. 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.960 Right, how to market? Right? So how are we going 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:21.640 to market it? That's the trick. 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.760 So they hear where the production of the record is going, 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.959 they figure out a marketable kind of it used to 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:31.160 be a marketable sonic or a vibe or feel, and 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:34.680 they say, Okay, I know where this project is going. Okay, 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:38.840 I'm going to add other people that fit the vibe 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.480 of this, that have marketable elements features I'm going to 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:43.719 go get Okay, you have. 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:49.120 DJ Slip, let me go get something from. 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:52.120 Let's say a Justice League, because they have a huge 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.160 version of blues. Let's go get something from Mike Dean 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.719 and Scarface because really in the world Scarface, where were 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:01.160 produce on the last MC eight album Scarfacing Mike Dean 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:02.680 that in a perfect world. 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:04.960 Yeah, in a perfect world. But you know, and that's 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:09.680 the thing as an A and R and I really 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.120 feel like that's my job to go get the most 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.800 successful people that's gonna make sense for this, right. 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:16.400 I will love it. 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.040 It's not your job. Let me tell you your job. 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:21.000 And I'm glad because now I'm glad we're putting it together. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.559 The sound crazy we just thought. So your job is 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.720 to figure out how we gonna market it market eights album, 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.440 not not you to figure out. Your job is to 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.560 figure out a marketable angle and you communicate that with 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.360 a product manager so they know which place is to 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.080 put it the audience that's looking for this type of shit. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.160 And then right if Rob Marcy, let's say he's doing 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:44.440 the line share of the production is to find the 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:48.400 marketable pieces to help access the blues feel of what 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.480 it is a do and then incorporate that so the 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.880 product manager has a marketable project product rather and also 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:59.560 you know edges on the project that is marketable, certain 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:04.600 features that fit that blues type of space, right that space. 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:08.480 That's your job, not just to go find a bunch 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.280 of names that kind of don't fit obviously, you know 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:14.400 this not to fit the thing, but really marketable things 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:18.360 like maybe it's you know, finding a big blues musician 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.680 and having him play something, and really because you you're 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.080 putting it somewhere where, because you're marketing the features, you're 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.840 marketing the producer, you're marketing all of these these are 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.560 extra marketing edges outside of the MCA ben into. 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.160 Just imagine this man like I just put an email 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.280 off you know, Bob james E is right. 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:37.960 Of course to do, not onlist. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.280 Yeah, I put an email out to him because I 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.520 have some because Aid has a certain sound on. When 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.600 he's on that sound, it's really just special. It's something special. 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.240 But I think he has limited himself over the last 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.560 number of years. Ada is a great m C too. 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:57.680 I don't I don't think he's limited himself. I think 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.360 he kind of played ball. I think he played the 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:02.520 space that he knew his audience liked. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:04.920 And see when I say limiting, I'm not talking about 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.000 his music in the musical space it's like eight has 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.120 a hard time sometimes recognizing who he is in the culture. 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:15.320 I would imagine, I mean, if you genuinely the Snoop 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.680 is the same way, fucking Snoop Dogg is the same way. 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:22.320 I remember talking to Snoop and it's funny because I 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.280 had this really deep conversation telling him who he was 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.320 to the culture. And don't get me wrong, Snoop is 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.680 definitely Snoop. He's not some insecure person for the most part, 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.160 but I really don't think he. 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:35.440 Understood who Snoop was. 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:37.880 And I remember it was me and Jay Rock shout 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.080 out to Jay Roff, my boyfriend TV. It's one of 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.440 my day ones, and we got to this whole thing, 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.520 and I was telling Snoop what he meant to us, 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.840 like it was a conversation that I think in his 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.640 mind he thought was gonna go totally different and like 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.400 and it went to a space that he wasn't even expected, 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:57.080 like what you mean to the future of the West 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.400 and culturally what you represent? 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:00.480 You know what I mean? 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.440 Like that shit, I remember that conversation. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.680 I'm cussing this nigga out in front of Dash everybody, 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:07.320 and I'm like, bro, do you know what you mean 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.480 to Nigga's dog, Like, do you this is in two 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.040 thousand and nine. I'm on one crutch with one gun 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:16.000 and I'm telling this like, you mean the world, bro? 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.720 Do you understand what it means if you just say, hey, 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.880 I see you doing your thing, nephew, That shit will 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.080 make you think you could conquer the world. And I'm like, 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:29.040 I think he don't get in his Like now I 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:30.640 think he's getting it, you know what I mean? Because 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:32.520 he came on club. I was like, you know what, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.200 and he said, he said, glasses really made me see 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.040 a lot of shit that I never tripped off of. 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:39.640 And it's hard because he driving the car. He ain't 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.320 really tripping off where he's going. He just driving the motherfucker. 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:44.560 But look at this motherfucker. 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.880 Not only is he on the super Bowl stage still 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.080 being equipped when most of hip hop, you know, will 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.160 kind of let the culture go to move into another space, 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:58.000 even something as simple as their name. Snoop Dogg is 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:02.680 Snoop Dogg right fucking now, like Ice Tea is Iced Tea. 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:06.480 Ice Tea as a sixty six year old man in 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:11.360 hip hop. Currently when he does SVU, that screen don't 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:16.200 say Tracy Morrow. That's that motherfucker, say Ice Tea. It's 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.280 amazing for you, like the people you revere in the 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.760 culture to go and lead, like, hey, you know what 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:26.000 hip hop can do everything. So you see Snoop doing 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.480 the Olympics and he's the life of the event, you 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.840 know what I mean? That makes it easier for somebody 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.240 to follow in their footprints, you know, take it to 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.000 another place. And I'm I'm a huge fan of that. 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:41.879 I believe first and foremost you just said something that 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.600 was key. You have to stay a fan of the music. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.400 So me being a fan, it's almost like you get 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.240 to like coach Brett Fahr from his last game, right 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:54.720 in one of his last games, you know, this great 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.679 story quarterback that don't have like a Hall of Fame career. 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.800 He's already a Hall of Famer, but you're trying. 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:03.560 That's a good comparable for West Coast hip hop. Two 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:05.119 MCA and Brett Fahr. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.840 You know what I'm saying to where a dude that's 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.160 just back, got the battle scars on him and it's 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:14.160 like versus just eight just doing another album. I wanted 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:16.120 him to do an album and have it to where 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.080 to where he got the bells and whistles with it, 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.359 to where he got a marketing budget, to where it's 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:23.960 everything is in place, you feel what I'm saying, to 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.240 where everything where he's really getting a fair shot. 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:31.000 So so my opinion if you want minees obviously you've 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.040 been doing hip hop lore your opinion. 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.520 Anyway, little bro, I'm coming to ask you a lot 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:35.840 of stuff too, like I've been asked. 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:37.280 You've been doing hip hop longer than me. 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:40.720 But just the clarity, right, the stream of conscience that 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.440 I've received, what it is MC eight as a blues 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.919 musician is really where it's at. Like nobody does a 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.160 level of blues. Don't get me wrong, you can implement soul, 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:53.239 you gonna have a little kind of jazz too, But 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:58.199 man as a blues musician, that's where he's he's like 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.760 ingenious and it makes him that bluesy funk that that 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:03.520 compon is most wanted is known for. 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:08.840 Is why they have a unique place in scene today. 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:10.640 And further, like. 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:16.959 Making short people understand, hip hop is culture before music. 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.080 It's the one thing that that makes it a little different. 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.160 It's about the culture first. So stamping down on something 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.879 culturally relevant and then making a product around that and 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:27.440 still you. 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:30.800 Know what, still having a wisdom. What happens a lot 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.280 of times is that the OG producer get pushed to 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.800 the side for the new cat right, which is crazy. 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.840 We goos really make Slip involved, Like Slip is gonna 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.120 be very involved with this thing. You feel what I'm saying, 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.320 it's gonna be. He's gonna be very involved. And I 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:46.479 think you almost have to do that in order to 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.600 have that original essence that's the sauce. 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.080 Maybe it's time we call that this time. I call 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:53.680 it Andre to try to get a fair to get 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:55.400 them too. Dudes that never did nothing now. 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.119 They never did anything together. I think Dre and Nate 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:00.240 would be awesome, and that's been my goals. It's like, 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:02.720 the thing that scared me about eight is when he 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.200 said this is gonna be his last album he did 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.040 as serious, you know, it's like he won't to do 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.680 other things not right. And that's not to say he 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.280 not going ever rap again, not, but as far as 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:14.640 trying to put the albums out and through all that, 0:20:15.640 --> 0:20:17.840 I think he's kind of done everything it is to 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:21.159 be done almost, you know, and that would be awesome 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.720