1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Luck and Load. The Michael Very Show is on the 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: air Borne two hundred and fifty one. With two and 3 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: a half centuries after the birth of Christ, two centuries 4 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: since the death the Christian's church was quite different than 5 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: it is today. It was developing, it was strengthening, it 6 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: was spreading. There was a passion for the word, and 7 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: there was a Christian monk named Anthony became Saint Anthony, 8 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: and he had as many many terms by which titles 9 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: by which he is referenced. Anthony of the Desert is 10 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: one you'll see. Because he was the first, he is 11 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: sometimes called the first monk. He's not the first monk. 12 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: He was the first monk to lead by desertification, going 13 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: out into the desert. This sort of what we now 14 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: considered monk like behavior, monasticism, living alone, studying, sacrificing, engaged 15 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: in pure thoughts and pure action. This sort of behavior 16 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: is often identified with him, and is often credited to 17 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: him as saint like and monastic monk like behavior, and 18 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: he came to be known probably more. He lived in Egypt, 19 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: and he left the city to go out to the desert, 20 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: which is a harsh life, as you can imagine, and 21 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: to study to purify his thought and action, and he 22 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: came to be known as Anthony the Great. And what's 23 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 1: interesting about him is that he really internalized the Christian 24 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: life and the Christian faith and spoke to the individual 25 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: about the society around them. I've read a lot about him, 26 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 1: but not a good biography. And I've asked Eddie Martini's 27 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: brother Fatherly is a priest, and I've asked him for 28 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 1: a good biography on him, and when I find it out, 29 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: I'll share it. But there is a line that he 30 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: wrote that I would advise you for so many of 31 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: you who are going through what I'm talking about, And 32 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: he said, the days are coming when men will go mad, 33 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: and when they meet a man who has kept his senses, 34 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: they will rise up against him, saying you are mad 35 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: because you are not like us. You've surely heard thee 36 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: Orwell line. In a time of universal deceit, telling the 37 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: truth is a revolutionary. When you see someone speak out 38 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: about COVID, when you see someone speak out about an 39 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: issue where the conventional wisdom says you don't you don't 40 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: defy this, You just go along, even though secretly we 41 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: all know or question that may not be true. The 42 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: term mad is used in this translation for crazy. The 43 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: days are coming when men will go mad, and when 44 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: they meet a man who has kept his senses, they 45 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 1: will rise up against him, saying, you are mad because 46 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: you are not like us. Christopher Hitchins often quoted the 47 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: story of Socrates, who, for his scientific advancements, had been 48 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: called by the Church elders, who were the leaders of 49 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: both the church and the nation. And he had been 50 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: accused of a crime punishable by death, and that crime 51 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: was blasphemy. And he was called before the elders to 52 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: explain this blasphemy of his scientific developments and writings, theories 53 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: which we would later embrace, in which would be central 54 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: to our world of science. And he was brought before 55 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: the church elders to defend himself against penalty of death. 56 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: So here was Socrates, a man who should be honored, 57 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: the nobel prize of his day, the Einstein of his day, 58 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: the Jonas Sawk of his day, Gregor Mendel of his day, 59 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: this great man of his era. But he wasn't being 60 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: called forward to be honored. He was being called forward 61 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: to be judged and to be killed, that he betray 62 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: what he knew to be true. Because in a time 63 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. 64 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: The teachings of the church and the state at the 65 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: time were at best naive. They couldn't reconcile science with faith. 66 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: Their ecumenical teachings had to be above the scientific teachings. 67 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: And Socrates was to be put to death and Hitchin So, 68 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: of course, was a known atheist and used this as 69 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: an example of the horrors of the church. And he 70 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: and I just have a disagreement on that, and that's okay. 71 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: But imagine a moment. Imagine how Socrates felt. Here was 72 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: the state condemning the individual. Lest he say, no, no, 73 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: I've changed my mind. You are the wise ones. I 74 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: will bend my need to you. You are the ones 75 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: that are right, and I am wrong. How dare I question? 76 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: The days are coming when men will go mad, and 77 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: when they meet a man who has kept his senses, 78 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: they will rise up against him, saying, you are mad 79 00:07:51,280 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: because you are not like us. So many people like 80 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: to throw a man overboard today because his very bravery 81 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: in descent is an indictment of their own inaction. 82 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: It's their words of chordsman, aren't sor And the words 83 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: that were. 84 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: Taken by Robbin FP. 85 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: These children speak Chinese and Spanish. 86 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: Michael, let's talk about strategies for surviving and thriving in 87 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: this world. The first one is the serenity prayer. Understand 88 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: that you cannot change broken people. This was a lesson 89 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: that took me a good part of my life to accept. 90 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: Because I think I'm superman. I can fix any problem. 91 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: I can solve anything. People come to me with all 92 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: sorts of problems and I solve them all day. It's 93 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: very rewarding. You get a god complex. Look at me. 94 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: I can do this, and I realized that's a drug 95 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: I feed off of and I've had to learn it'll 96 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: also take you down. But I also realized over a 97 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: period of time that you cannot change people from their core. 98 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: It's a fool's errand but more than that, it's diving 99 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: into the water to save someone that's going to drown 100 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: you too. You can throw them a lifeline and if 101 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: they kick it back, you can recognize that's a decision 102 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: they made. They have agency, they have authority over their 103 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: decision making, whatever that may be, and at some point 104 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: you have to live with that. It's hard because we 105 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: want to fix people. We want to change people, and 106 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: that is one of the core problems with human relations, 107 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: desire to change other people. And in many cases, the 108 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: desire to change other people is really the desire to 109 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: control other people. And that gets to our basic animal 110 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: instinct of control and dominance. It's natural throughout the animal kingdom. 111 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: That's what the hierarchy of species is all about, the 112 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: predator prey. The desire to change someone is the desire 113 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: to control someone. But here's the part that's important. You 114 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: got to figure out which fights are worth fighting. You 115 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: got to figure out which behaviors are worth defending. Is 116 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: it worth it if you think that people ought to 117 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: be allowed to cuss? Is it worth it to go 118 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: into a children's school dropping f bombs? I hope you 119 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't do that, even if you don't think there's anything 120 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: wrong with It's just another word. You're picking a fight. 121 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: It really has no benefit to you to win. And 122 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: I see this all the time. You're picking a fight 123 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: over a principle. It's not even really a deep principle. 124 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: You didn't change anybody's mind. You just showed that you 125 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: were willing to thwart the rule. What did you gain? 126 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: No one was inspired by you. Whatever the level of 127 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: respect for you was, they have less of it now 128 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: than they did before. So you have to decide what 129 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: do I want to offer my opinion on, what do 130 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: I want to say publicly? Who do I want to 131 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: be that I think it's very important people understand that 132 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: that me showing that, expressing that. I think a lot 133 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: of people get themselves in trouble on social media by 134 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: saying things for shock value, because they're kind of curious 135 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: if it will cause them a problem, and by the 136 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: time it does cause them a problem, it's too late. 137 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: Well that was dumb. How many times do we do 138 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: that we provoked something just to see what will happen? 139 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: First time Mom told you don't don't touch the flame? 140 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: Oh I got touch now? Oh damn? And then what 141 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: do they say, idiot? We told you, I know. But 142 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: this will be Mom, This will be a lifelong problem 143 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: for me. I will be warned not to touch the flame, 144 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: and I will touch the flame. But here's the part 145 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: that's very important, and that is understanding that we are complicit, 146 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: which means involved in allowing this to happen. And the 147 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: reason is for all our tough talk about how we 148 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: won't bend the knee. We also won't lift a finger 149 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: to help another person. I watched this all the time. 150 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: Let me tell you how this plays out. There's a 151 00:13:55,760 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: group of guys got their lunch by their wives made 152 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: them send them to work. They work for a big company, 153 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: but they're out at the job site. Somebody makes a comment, 154 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: somebody adds to the comment. It's like a telephone game. 155 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: It starts going. It's all guys, and they're going around, 156 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: and then finally somebody says something that someone else views 157 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: as offensive, and they run tell, because that's what people do. 158 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: They run tell. And then the question becomes what do 159 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: you do about it? The question becomes do you say 160 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: that man is not at fault unless everyone is fired, 161 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: he shouldn't be fired. Most people don't do that. Most 162 00:14:54,960 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: people hide, And here's how they justify. I mean, I'm 163 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: all for telling Joe's but man, he went too far? 164 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: Did he? 165 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: Have you never told that same joke? Well, yeah, I 166 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: mean yeah, I guess I have. So why didn't you 167 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: say that that's a joke. Everybody in the group is told, Well, 168 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: he was an idiot for telling it at the time. 169 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: You could have told him at the time, but you didn't. 170 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: That's the real that's the real interesting study of how 171 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: many people will judge another person for getting a DWI when, 172 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: but for pure luck, they don't have one, they could 173 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: have had twenty five Most people, I'll bet you ninety 174 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: of people who drink at all. If you don't drink, 175 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: you're probably not going to run the risk of this. 176 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: But people who drink at all, I think over ninety 177 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: percent of people if they're honest, especially as low as 178 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: the number has come now, I think it's point oh eight. 179 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: Over ninety percent of people would have blown hot and 180 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: not hours you have no idea, get yourself a breathalyzer. 181 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: You'll be shocked, hafist, but you don't feel any compassion 182 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: for that person at that moment. 183 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 3: When people say things like the government has to do something, 184 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: I say, have you ever study of what happens when 185 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 3: the government does something compared to what happens when they 186 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 3: don't do anything? And for one hundred and fifty years, 187 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: the governing in United States did nothing when there was 188 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 3: a depression. No depression during all those one hundred and 189 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: fifty years was ever as bad as the Great Depression 190 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 3: of the nineteen thirties in which the government did more 191 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: than it had. 192 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: Ever done before in its entire history. 193 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: The stock market crash occurred in nineteenth October nineteen twenty one. 194 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 3: Right two months later, unemployment peaked at nine percent, and 195 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 3: then it started declining, and by June of nineteen thirty 196 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 3: it was down to six point three percent. That was 197 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 3: when the first government intervention took place, and within six 198 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: months it was in double digits, and it stayed in 199 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 3: double digits for the entire decade of nineteen thirty. 200 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: Many of you will remember during the dark days of 201 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: the authoritarian Covidians that America shut down for all intents 202 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: and purposes. One of the great losses was live theater, 203 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: Broadway concerts, the restaurants. Seen so many weddings, funerals, the 204 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: things that mark our lives, the things that make life 205 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: worth living, gatherings, fellowship. And we had a gentleman on 206 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: the air. You commented that you were worried for him, 207 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: you felt bad for him, named Clifton Duncan. And he 208 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: is an accomplished actor, an actor of the stage, a 209 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: purist in that sense, with a lot of credits to 210 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: his name, and yet he wouldn't play the game and 211 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: he lost not just his job, but in a sense 212 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: I felt maybe part of his identity. So he went 213 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: back home where he had not been for quite some time. 214 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: And this is an adult man. I don't know how 215 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: old he was at the time, maybe thirty, And he 216 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: went back home and lived with his parents and started 217 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: waiting tables and people would say, you know, you seem 218 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: it seemed kind of beneath you, and he would say, well, 219 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm actually a stage actor. And he didn't believe him 220 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: because there's no chances it's happening. But this is happening. 221 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: This was really happening. Well, a lot has happened since then. 222 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: Rather than go hide himself in a bottle or in 223 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: pills or in sadness, Clifton Duncan decided, you know what, 224 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: I'm going to make something this moment, and he he 225 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: rebuilt himself and we are honored to have him back. 226 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: As you can probably tell, I'm a huge fan Clifton Duncan. 227 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. 228 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: Hey Michael, get to speak to you again. Thank you 229 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: so much for that great introduction. 230 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: What caught my attention and I asked our team to 231 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: track you down was a post you put up on 232 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: February twelfth that said Thomas Soul was born during the 233 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: dark days of Jim Crow and went on to become 234 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: one of America's foremost thinkers. His uncompromising and countercultural views 235 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: have left him marginalized in the popular Zeitch guest, let's 236 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: change that, and then you talk about your project, tell 237 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: us about that. 238 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's actually been on my mind for several years, 239 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: and so a lot of people don't know about me 240 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 2: is that in my last year Conservatory, we had a 241 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: program called free Play, And I guess the best equivalent 242 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: you can think of is, you know, maybe a dissertation 243 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: for you know, a graduate program or something. But it's 244 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 2: an assignment, I guess you can call it where these 245 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 2: students could create anything that they wanted. And I created 246 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 2: this one man's show called The Universe Project, which was 247 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 2: very autobiographical and very hip hop bassed, and I played 248 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 2: a lot of different characters and it actually got me 249 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: my first agent before you know, months before I got 250 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: out of the program, and I was able to do 251 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 2: the show off Broadway and out of the theaters, and 252 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: for years now people have been asking me, a man, 253 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: it show was so great. When you're going to make 254 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 2: another one, and I was like, well, I don't have 255 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 2: anything to say first, or I don't have anything to say, 256 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: and then, you know, as I say in my campaign 257 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 2: video back in nineteen seventy seven, or I discovered back 258 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven, James Earl Jones did a play 259 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 2: called Robison about Paul Robison. In twenty eleven, Laurence Fishburne 260 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: to the play called Third Goood, which is about Third 261 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 2: Good Marshal. You can actually still watch it on Amazon 262 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: Prime today. And in twenty fourteen, a great, great actor 263 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 2: named John Dougis Thompson too the play called Satchmo at 264 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: the Waldorf off Broadway, which is a play about Louis Armstrong. 265 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 2: And so I just said to myself, what would make 266 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: an interesting subject for a one man show that I 267 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 2: could create myself. And the obvious answer to me came 268 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 2: up was Thomas Sole. And he is someone who has 269 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 2: had a huge impact on my life, on many lives obviously, 270 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: and he's enjoying a nice kind of renaissance in terms of, 271 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: you know, people who are really into his work and 272 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 2: discovering his work. But I said to myself, you know this, 273 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: it will be a really really interesting project to bring 274 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: the story of soul or aspects of his life, you know, 275 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 2: just just something to the stage in the vein of 276 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: uh these other great these other great figures from the 277 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 2: twentieth century. And you know, I've already done the show before, 278 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 2: so like, what else could I bring to this particular project. 279 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 2: And you know, people are very, very very enthusiastic about it, 280 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 2: which is nice. 281 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: Well, and and much like Clint Eastwood did, you're taking 282 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: control of your own career because sadly, because performance is 283 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: your art, you typically have to work for someone else. 284 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: And maybe the only way to get to do what 285 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: you want to do is to control control of the 286 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: product yourself. And I guess you're going to have to 287 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: write this stuff yourself if it's if it's going to 288 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: be made. And you know, you hear that about some 289 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: actors that they couldn't get Sylvester Sloane couldn't get roles, 290 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: so he had to write the role so that he 291 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: would get to act. He didn't want to write roles. 292 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: He wanted to act. 293 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 2: You know. 294 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: Clifton Duncan is our guest. It's an interesting time, Clifton, 295 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: because I don't know that this has ever been the 296 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 1: case before. But in my estimation, the two greatest thinkers 297 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: in America today, Clarence Thomas and Thomas Soul, happened to 298 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: be black men, which what are the odds thirteen percent 299 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: of the population. Both of them come from that population. 300 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: But both of them also come from a generation and 301 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: a time, and a struggle and an experience and a perspective. 302 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: And I wonder how much I wonder if there will 303 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: be another generation like that. I wonder if a young 304 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: black man today is often poisoned with these with I 305 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: can't do that. I'm a victim mentality. What about Soul 306 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: attracted you to telling his story? 307 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: Well, I think the biggest thing for me, or one 308 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 2: of the big things that turned me on to him originally, 309 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 2: was the fact that he changed his mind. I mean 310 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 2: I stumbled upon a video of him, a clip of 311 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 2: him on the Bill Buckley Show from I guess it 312 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: was maybe the the late sixties, early seventies, and he 313 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 2: just clinically took apart these these arguments that you that 314 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: you hear oftentimes from I guess you could say left 315 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 2: wing intellectuals pun that's you know, what have you? 316 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: And I was like, who is this dude? 317 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 2: In this, you know, with this the best AFRO ever 318 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 2: in these classes, just just clinically and even and wittily, 319 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,719 Speaker 2: wittily taking down these arguments. But then I learned more 320 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: about him and the fact that he grew up and 321 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: had one mindset, and even after studying with someone like 322 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 2: Milton Friedman, maintained that mindset, but then still had the 323 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 2: integrity and the intelligence to be able to say, well, 324 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 2: wait a minute, there's something else going on here when 325 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 2: confronted with evidence that contradicted his form his former worldview. 326 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 2: So I think that was the big thing for me 327 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: because it reflected when I discovered him, probably about ten 328 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 2: years ago. It reflected my own journey from being kind 329 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 2: of a default elective to taking a more maybe independent, 330 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: centralized view of things, And so I think that was 331 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 2: the big thing for me. 332 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: Clifton Duncan, great actor, now doing a Thomas Soul a 333 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: one man show, is our guest. We'll talk more to 334 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: him going on Michael Show. 335 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 3: And this is my damn country. I'll thought for this country, 336 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 3: this is mine. 337 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: Clifton Duncan is our guest. He is doing a new 338 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: one man show on the Great Thomas Soul. Why do 339 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: you think obviously it's not just a conservative uh you know, 340 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: sort of doctrine he espouses. It's almost his own. It's 341 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: just this soulism or souloism. Why do you think, though, 342 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: that there haven't been more people? We interviewed as a 343 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: young guy who wrote a book about him a few 344 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: years ago, and he was just a super fan, and 345 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: he and I just for probably two hours just talked 346 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: about our love of soul and things that he said 347 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: and his experience. But why do you think that more 348 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,239 Speaker 1: people haven't if not done what you've done, because that's 349 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: kind of a niche thing. It's a hard thing to do. 350 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: Why has it been more written about him? Why has 351 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: he not talked about more? 352 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 2: Well, it goes back to what you were saying previously 353 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 2: in your previous question about the kind of mindset that 354 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: is prevalent in much of Black America. And part of 355 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 2: the issue is the education system, the public education system. 356 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: Another issue is the I guess, the mass media complex, 357 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 2: entertainment complex, the comedians that we watched, the sitcoms that 358 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: we grew up watching, the music that we love, and 359 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 2: then the suppressed as well. In addition to the algorithmic 360 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: manipulations of these big tech companies. So all that combined 361 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 2: together leads to this sort of gatekeeping of information about people. 362 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: And the thing about Soul and men like him, people 363 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: like him, is that he completely contradicts and goes against 364 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: this prevalent worldview or vision as he calls them, and 365 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 2: so they either berate him or dismiss him, or that 366 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 2: they have to ignore him because the things that he's 367 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 2: saying completely clash with the you know, to use this term, 368 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: the vision of the anointed, or the unconstrained vision, or 369 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: the left wing vision of Black America, black history, these 370 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 2: kinds of things, and so he must be denigrated, he 371 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: must be dismissed, he must be destroyed reputationally. And you know, 372 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 2: it's really a shame because you know, there is a 373 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: there's a great, a great variety of intellectualism and thinking 374 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 2: in Black America, but the it's far far easier to 375 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: access people like you know, I'm not saying he's a 376 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 2: great thinker, but kind of easy codes or an eber 377 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 2: Mixed Tindi or a Nicole Hannah Jones, people who I, 378 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 2: you know, I think have no respect for personally, but 379 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 2: you know, they just have way way bigger platforms partly 380 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 2: because of their ideology, and Soul has been kind of 381 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 2: marginalized because of his views which get coded as coded 382 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 2: as more conservative or right right wing, even though I 383 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: think a lot of Black Americans really agree with the 384 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 2: much of what he's saying. I mean, there's a great 385 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 2: sort of series of videos you can find on YouTube 386 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: of young people, young black people who are watching him 387 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: for the first time, and they're reacting and they're saying, 388 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 2: wait a minute, this dude is making no sense. 389 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: How come I never heard of him before? 390 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 2: Right, So it's really interesting, it's really it's really fascinating, 391 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 2: and he's kind of enjoying a renaissance among younger people. 392 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 2: But you know, it's the short answer to your question 393 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: is just that, you know, there's just a the the 394 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: the sources of ideas and information that that we consume, 395 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: and I mean we generally, not just Black Americans. They 396 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: just don't want to acknowledge Thomas Soul because his work, 397 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: his body of work, really takes down everything that they 398 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: stand for. So it's not really surprising that they just 399 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: sort of ignore him. 400 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: So he has a big body of work, and I've 401 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: spent a creepy level of time studying his life and 402 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: his writings and his influences and and his interviews he does. 403 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: He doesn't deal with the Hoover Institute, with with whom 404 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: he's he's associated and speeches that he's given over the years. 405 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: And he's really retreated, you know, from most of public life, 406 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: which I find unfortunate. I have begged for an interview 407 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: and I can't get one. But but I talk about 408 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: him a lot. I quote him a lot. We play 409 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: things that he says a lot on the show. When 410 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: you begin a project like this, this is and I 411 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: guess you could have you could say that that they 412 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: had to do this with the Robisom project that James 413 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: Earl Jones did, or Thirdgood that Fishburne did, or Satchmo. 414 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: How do you begin a research project like this because 415 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: you're an actor, you're not a researcher what you are now, 416 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: but how do you begin that? 417 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny because I say that there's 418 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: there's really no excuse for a dumb actor, which might 419 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: surprise a lot of people, because part of the job 420 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 2: is learning how to research. Part of the job, you 421 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 2: get a new role and you just read and read 422 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 2: and absorb all the information that you can about this 423 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 2: particular person. The great thing about Soul is that, like 424 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 2: you said, he has this huge, huge body of work, 425 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: forty five books, thousands of columns, hundreds of hours of 426 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: interviews and podcasts and lectures and speeches and things online, 427 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 2: you know, the audio. But like, there's so many ways 428 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: to absorb his information. But for me right now, I'm 429 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 2: just starting at just square one. Like one of the 430 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 2: things that one of the things that you do as 431 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 2: an actor initially is when you're confronted with a new character, 432 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 2: you say, well, what does the author say about this character? 433 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 2: What does the characters say about themselves? What do other 434 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: people say about the characters? So I actually just ordered 435 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 2: Soul's book, A Personal Odyssey, and just a couple of 436 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 2: hours ago, I was slipping through just you know, to 437 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 2: a random page and I said, this is just gold. 438 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: It's gold because we think of Soul as this intellectual dynamo. 439 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: But you know, people aren't. 440 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 2: Going to really want to sit through a play of 441 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 2: just a bunch of intellectualism, you know what I mean. 442 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: So they need to see what the underbelly, the emotional 443 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: underbelly of the person is, and can you really dive 444 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: into the subconscious of the care, subconscious of the character, 445 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 2: and so I kind of have to take a detached 446 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: look at soul despite all my respect and admiration for him, 447 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 2: and look at his life in his own words, and 448 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: look at what others say about him and how they 449 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 2: perceive him. And it's really just a I have a 450 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 2: teacher who once said that information is inspiration. And so 451 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 2: what you do is you fill yourself up with all 452 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 2: these sort of details about him and his life, and 453 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 2: you know, maybe his attitudes and points of views, and 454 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,959 Speaker 2: you begin to form your interpretation of this particular person 455 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 2: that's on the page, and then you bring him to life. 456 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,239 Speaker 2: But you know, it's also unique because then I have 457 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 2: his interviews to listen to as well, so I can 458 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 2: really immerse myself in his mannerisms and who you know, 459 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 2: how he behaves, how he conducts himself, what he does 460 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 2: when he gets emotional, as well as at the information 461 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 2: stockpile of here's here's his life, and here's what he 462 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 2: has to say about his life, and and then again 463 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 2: his views and his point of view on a variety 464 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 2: of topics. You know, in forty five books and again 465 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of columns. So it's really in a 466 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 2: really privileged place because his work is so prolific. It's 467 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: it can be kind of daunting in terms of the 468 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 2: sheer volume. But that's what you do at the at 469 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 2: the very beginning of a role, is just your research 470 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,479 Speaker 2: around it. You know, who is this person, what do 471 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: they want, why do they want what they want? What's 472 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 2: in their way? What do they what do they do 473 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 2: in order to get what they want? And those like 474 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 2: the sort of the basic fundamental question that you asked 475 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 2: about any character, And so that's what I'm asking about 476 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 2: Soul now.