1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, the highest levels of 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: government have been infiltrated by an anti democratic deep state 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: that can be defeated by refocusing our national security mission 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: and relentlessly defending the truth. In his new book, Government Gangsters, 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: Cash Patel, a former top official in the White House, 6 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: the Department of Defense, the Intelligence community, and the Department 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: of Justice, pulls back the curtain on the deep State, 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: revealing the major players and tactics within the permanent government bureaucracy, 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: which has spent decades stripping power away from the American 10 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: people and their elected leaders. Based on his first hand knowledge, 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: Patel reveals how he can defeat the deep state, reassert 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: self government, and restore our democracy. Here to talk about 13 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: his new book, I'm really pleased to welcome back my guest, 14 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Cash Patel is the Chief of Staff to the Department 15 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: of Defense, where his responsibilities included implementing the Secretary of 16 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: Defense's mission involving three million plus employees, a seven hundred 17 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: and forty billion dollar budget, and two trillion dollars in assets. 18 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: Prior to his experience of the Pentagon, mister Pateel served 19 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: as Deputy Assistant to the President and Senior Director for 20 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: counter Terrorism on the National Security Council. Cash. Welcome and 21 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 1: thank you for joining me again on News World. 22 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: Mister speaker, it's great to be with you today. Thank 23 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: you for having me on the show. 24 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: Well, I'm curious, as I remember your parents wanted you 25 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: to become a medical doctor, but instead he became a 26 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: defense attorney. I mean, how did that happen? 27 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 3: Best laid plan, sir? 28 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: So I went to college and I went to see 29 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: my school counselor on day of college and I said, 30 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: I guess I'm pre med. And he laid out the 31 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: next eight years of my life for me on that day, 32 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: and I said, I don't think that's for me. And 33 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: I just sort of followed whatever interested me there after, 34 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,119 Speaker 2: and the law was what seemed to be it and 35 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 2: that's what led me there. 36 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: I was told that part of your transition into being 37 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: a defense lawyer came from being a caddy at the 38 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: Garden City Country Club. How did that intersection work? 39 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: You do your homework, mister speaker. 40 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know I caddied from when I was 41 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: thirteen to twenty one to help pay for college and 42 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: the foursome that I would caddy for on a regular 43 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 2: basis at this country club on Long Island were all 44 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: private criminal defense attorneys, and I thought their stories were 45 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: really cool about how they would go to court and 46 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 2: do these trials and have these exciting cases. And in 47 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: the back of my mind, I guess it just sort 48 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: of settled there for a while that I found that 49 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: really interesting. But I never thought I would become a 50 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: public defender. I thought I would become the private defense 51 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: attorney guy, and that just never happened. 52 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: So I'm curious when you wrote Government Gangsters, and I 53 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: remember talking with you both in your White House Spirit 54 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: and then a Defense Weapon and you know, an immense amount. 55 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: But Government Gangsters was delayed in publishing because the Defense 56 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: Department was holding on to it to make sure no 57 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: classified information got out, and you ended up having to 58 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: sue to get the book out. Was this a deliberate 59 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: dragging their feet to try to block the book from 60 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 1: coming out. 61 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 62 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: In my opinion as speaker, I think what they wanted 63 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 2: was a blockade to prevent the manuscript from coming out 64 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 2: because they don't want the things printed and that I 65 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: put in there, and they use typical government excuses like, oh, 66 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 2: we sent it out, it's being reviewed DJ, FBI, dd NSA, 67 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: everybody's got to look at this thing. And I said, 68 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: I understand the process, but. 69 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 3: It usually takes two to three months. 70 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: So I actually knew they weren't going to move until 71 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: we took them to federal court. So I sued the 72 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: Biden administration and all the agencies and departments to release 73 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: my manuscript. And wouldn't you know, within weeks after our lawsuit, 74 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: they came back and they said, oh, it's good to 75 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: go now, and they only redacted point zero five percent 76 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: of my book. It's literally the same six words eight 77 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: times over. 78 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: It was laughable. 79 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: That was it. 80 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 3: That was it? 81 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 1: So how long did it take them to find these 82 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: six words? 83 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: Knowing what the six words are and having my background, 84 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 2: my attorneys and I found it so hysterical that they 85 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: pick these words because they are not classified whatsoever. It 86 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: just points to the name of an entity that's already 87 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: in the public sector and sphere. And I think that's 88 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: what they utilized in front of the court to justify 89 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 2: their delay. In the nine months preceding the lawsuit, the FBI, 90 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 2: which I'm very critical of in the book, and Chris 91 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: Ray had had the manuscript for nine months and they 92 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 2: hadn't looked at it. But once I filed the lawsuit, 93 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: they cleared my manuscript without redactions in twenty four hours, 94 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: so we know they were just playing games to prevent 95 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: the release of the information in there. 96 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: Were you surprised? First when you were at the House 97 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 1: Intelligence Committee and then when you were at State in Defense? 98 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: Was the deep state a lot bigger thing than you expected? 99 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: Way more? 100 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: I mean, I just thought in my entire tenure in 101 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: government service some sixteen years, there was going to be 102 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: some bad actors along the way. We've always seen some 103 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: level of government corruption, but I thought it was a 104 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: one off here and there. And then when Devin Nunez 105 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 2: brought me on to run the Russiagate investigation after my 106 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: tenure at the Justice Department, my first in at DoD 107 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: and Intelligence, I was floored. As a national security prosecutor 108 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: who used the FISA process in the seven or two 109 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: process to manhunt terrorist around the world. I was absolutely 110 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 2: besides myself that a deep Department of Justice would use 111 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 2: that process to investigate a presidential campaign and his surrogates. 112 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: And then when I dug into it, I couldn't believe 113 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 2: how many people had gotten together to lie to a 114 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: federal court. The fies a court just so that they 115 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: could get the surveillance warn't up. And the thing I 116 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: guess as a former public defender that shocked me the 117 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: most was the amount of evidence of innocence, of exculpatory 118 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: evidence these individuals at DOJ and FBI had excluded from 119 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 2: the warrant application itself, which launched the entire rustigate thing. 120 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: And if that weren't bad enough, I thought, wow, look 121 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 2: at that deep state. The deep state that came in 122 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: behind those individuals during the Trump administration to cover up 123 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: and I'm talking about Republicans to cover it all up was. 124 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 3: Even more shocking to me. 125 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: We ended up fighting them more than I fought the 126 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 2: Democrats and the deep staters that were committing this conduct. 127 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: I didn't think in the United States of America that 128 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 2: was possible, but that's what we uncovered. 129 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: I've recently started a series at The American Spectator going 130 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: all the way back to World War Two and the 131 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: Soviet penetration of the system to try to outline the 132 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: depths behind how we got to the current constitutional crisis. 133 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: And it strikes me that it really is a constitutional crisis. 134 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: When you were working for an administration which the bureaucracy 135 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: was actively trying to undermine and weaken, despite the fact 136 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: that the American people had elected it. I mean, didn't 137 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: you find that sort of stunning from. 138 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 3: A constitutional perspective? You're absolutely right. 139 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: How is it that Donald Trump in during his administration, 140 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: his appointed attorney general, his appointed FBI director, his appointed 141 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 2: Secretary of Defense, and so many others. I would go 142 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:35,679 Speaker 2: into interagency meetings to execute the president's lawful authorities to 143 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: issue the national security mission, whether it was hostage rescue, 144 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: wiping out terrorists, taking out enemies, and ending the forever wars. 145 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: These individuals would come into the room and say they 146 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: had the mandate to block a lawful authority of the 147 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: President of the United States. And I found that equally 148 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: as shocking as I found the deep state. But then 149 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: I dug a little deeper, and I was trying to 150 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: figure out, why would you block the commander in chief's order? 151 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: And it's the one thing that a lot of these 152 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: government gangsters in Washington, DC have in common. They are 153 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 2: always looking out for each other and the institutions they serve, 154 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: rather than doing the job. And President Trump the unique 155 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: ability that he had when he came in, was he 156 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: not only promised and campaigned on doing things on the 157 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: national security front, like securing the border and ending the 158 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: war in Afghanistan and taking out terras, he did them 159 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: and in a shockingly high percentage. And I think that 160 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: turned these individuals at the top against him because they 161 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: didn't like his personality or they didn't like his style, 162 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: and they continued this deep so they continued to ncap 163 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: his administration for almost two years with just the Russia 164 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: Gate investigation and stuff. I mean, we have to remind people, 165 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 2: but John Durham and our investigation on Capitol Hill found 166 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 2: was there was no lawful authority to ever investigate Donald 167 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: Trump in the first place. But we now know, and 168 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: it's in the book, that the NSA was given a 169 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: contract to actually tunnel into Donald Trump's White House and 170 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: exploit email. 171 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: Traffic that was going in and out of there. 172 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 2: I mean, this is what these people signed off on 173 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: because they were so healt and bent on trying to 174 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: find out information that didn't exist so they could satisfy 175 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: the media. And that was a big problem was the 176 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: media who hated Donald Trump, and they were trying to 177 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: just serve them rather than serve their duties under the Constitution. 178 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 3: As the U. 179 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: Outline, isn't there an almost incestuous relationship between the deep 180 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: state and the news media. When I look, for example, 181 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: every study I've seen about the Russian hoax, you actually 182 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: see FBI agents and intelligence agents giving the New York 183 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: Times the World Post stuff it's totally false, but that 184 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: they're eager to print. 185 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and what we track in government, gangsters and elsewhere 186 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: is the coordinated leaks. One of the themes of the 187 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: book is that I don't believe there are any coincidences 188 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: in government, and there is no deep state without the 189 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: mainstream media, especially the DOJ and FBI, DoD during Russia 190 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: Gate and during other events, leaked classified information to the media. 191 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: Just look at bad actors like Adam Schiffen company too 192 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: in Congress. So it's not just in the executive branch 193 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: to uphold narratives that they wanted to take out Donald Trump. Ie, 194 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: Donald Trump is a Russian asset. We know that's completely false, 195 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: but half of the United States of America thought that 196 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: was the case, and a lot of them still do 197 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: because they watched. 198 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 3: The mainstream media. 199 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: A lot of the mainstream media also lied about the 200 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: DOJ and FBI's conduct during Russia Gate to the fights 201 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 2: of court, and now we know and equivocally that they 202 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 2: lied to get that application up and running. And the 203 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 2: problem we run into is when you stack these mainstream 204 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: media narratives together that were authored by these deep state actors, 205 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 2: people get past the truth, and two three years later, 206 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: when they learn about it, the mainstream media is coming 207 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 2: up with their next iteration of an election rigging scam, 208 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: like the fifty one intelligence letter on Hunter Biden's laptop 209 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 2: is just one example. And for me, that was the 210 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: most undemocratic, unconstitutional thing I'd ever seen. And by the way, 211 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 2: that's what spawned the two tier system of justice. Nobody 212 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: that leaked classified information unlawfully was ever prosecuted for this 213 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: five year window. And now you see what's happening to 214 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 2: Donald Trump today and the disparate treatment by the Attorney 215 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: General in the FBI of him versus what so many 216 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: in the deep state did. They got away with because 217 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: they wanted to take out Donald Trump. 218 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 1: To what extent do the anti Trump Republicans not understand 219 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: what's going on. 220 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: I think they well understand it. I think what they're 221 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 2: trying to do is take them out. I think they 222 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: the entrenched class. And as part of a big problem 223 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: of the government gangsters is the folks that go into government, 224 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: into these high level positions, then kareem out of government 225 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: and get a golden parachute back into say the. 226 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 3: Defense industrial complex. 227 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: It's a very cyclical problem, and I think they're very 228 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 2: aware of the ethos they have is Washington, DC exists 229 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 2: to serve us, not Donald Trump and his mission that 230 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 2: when he put America first. 231 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: And I'll give you a primetime example. 232 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: We know that Rod Rosenstein, as the acting Attorney General, 233 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: signed the most bogus PAISA warrant, one that was actually 234 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: rescinded by the FISK itself. And we also know that 235 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: FBI Director Chris Ray helped him cover up the Russiagate scandal. 236 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: These two individuals, along with Gina Haspell, who was chief 237 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: of Stations for the CIA in London when Russiagate was launched, 238 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: she was the sole individual that authorized an overseas operation 239 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: to collect intelligence against the President. 240 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 3: Of the United States. 241 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: These three individuals would get cabinet positions later in government, 242 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: and two of these individuals, Rod Rosenstein and Chris Ray, 243 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: would threatened Devin Nunas and I to surveil us. And 244 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 2: what we found out five years later is Ray and 245 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 2: Rosenstein actually did unlawfully surveil me, a senior congressional staffer 246 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 2: on Capitol Hill, for doing our job. I mean I 247 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: followed a lawsuit on that just a week ago, and 248 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: we could talk about that later. 249 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 3: But the point of. 250 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: This is, do you know now today where Gina Haspell 251 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 2: and Rod Rosenstein currently work. They work at Chris Faray's 252 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: old law firm. That's just one example of the cyclical 253 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 2: nature of the seven figure payout and how these people 254 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 2: stick together. 255 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: I saw a note about the number of people on 256 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: the left who had left government office and got the 257 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: right university the right think tang. This part of why 258 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm writing this piece of the Spectator is it there 259 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: is an interlocking ecosystem on the left that is just massive, 260 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: and that you have somebody who writes a paper which 261 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: then gets published by the New York Times, which then 262 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: gets used by the Justice Department. I mean, all this 263 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: stuff is circular and kind of surrounds the rest of 264 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: us in a way that is very hard to deal with. 265 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: And what they do is, once they've put out the narrative. 266 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 2: Underneath that narrative, as you described, they are going to 267 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: take out the personnel and the people that are contradicting 268 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: their disinformation campaign and the mainstream media. 269 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 3: They don't do it alone. 270 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: They do it in conjunction with these deep state actors, 271 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: these government gangsters. I mean, you've been on the receiving 272 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: end of some pretty severe vidrio and fake news attacks. 273 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: I have as well, and so many others that we know. 274 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: And the hope is that they will ultimately utilize law 275 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 2: fair unconstitutionally against us in the hopes that we just 276 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: stop talking or that we stop providing support to say 277 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: President Trump or the America First Movement. I mean, they've 278 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: come after us with subpoenas, with trumped up charges, and 279 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: they'll never stop, and unless we take a stand and 280 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: show the American people two things. One that they are 281 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 2: doing this because I think educating the American people that 282 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 2: a deep state is not a right wing conspiracy, it's 283 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 2: a reality that Russia Gate actually happened, and the cover 284 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: up happened, That Hunter Biden's laptop is real information of crimes, 285 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: that the fifty one Intel letter is another example of 286 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 2: election rigging, and there's a two tier system of justice 287 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: when it comes to not just Donald Trump and how 288 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: Joe Biden are treated in classified documents cases, but how 289 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: we are all treated. That permeates down to the everyday 290 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 2: American level. And once you have that, the deep state 291 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: is fully mobilized to come in and go after our 292 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: communities and the conservative movement. That's what they want to do, 293 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: take out Donald Trump and recap the Conservative movement. That's 294 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: why the entrenched Republican class in Washington isn't a part 295 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: of this movement because they're working together with the deep 296 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: state actors. They are the deep State to take us out. 297 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: And that's part of the mission of the book is 298 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 2: just to educate Americans that if you don't want to 299 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: be fooled again during a presidential election cycle, you have 300 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: to stop listening to the mainstream media and get your 301 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: information elsewhere, like your great publications in the American Spectator. 302 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: Rasmulsen just came out with a poll that seventy two 303 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: percent of the American people are concerned that the US 304 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: is becoming a police state, and that forty six percent 305 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: are very concerned. Do you think that's a reasonable concern. 306 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 3: I think it's more than reasonable. 307 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: I think one of the major issues I take up 308 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: in Government Gangsters is how the justice system and intelligence 309 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: communities have been weaponized to take out any individuals or 310 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: groups that they think are a threat to their reign 311 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: of power. And what I do in the book is layout, 312 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: chapter and verse how each agency and department has participated 313 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 2: in that problem. We've talked about a few up to 314 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: this point. The one that we haven't talked about. I 315 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: think the one of the biggest culprits is the Department 316 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: of Defense and the Defense Industrial Complex. I think they 317 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 2: are worse than all the lobbying groups put together. They 318 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 2: are the reason why we are sending one hundred and 319 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: fifteen billion dollars to the Ukraine unchecked. They are the 320 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 2: reason we spent two trillion dollars in Afghanistan. 321 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 3: It's not a republican or democratic institution. 322 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: The Defense industrial complex, which does a lot of good, 323 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 2: also does some of the most weaponized work in government. 324 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 2: They will entrench people who are secretaries of Defense to 325 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 2: come out and get their golden parachute and ten million 326 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: dollars pay day, and that cycle will continue just so 327 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 2: they can keep cutting the checks and getting Congress to 328 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: keep funding these efforts, and if you dare to stand 329 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: up against them, they will come after you with this 330 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: police state. 331 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 3: They will come. 332 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: After you with their partners at DOJ or the intelligence 333 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 2: community and say, you know, cash Pttel is actually someone 334 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: who is an anti American or a right wing nut. 335 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 2: I mean, this is what these people write. And they'll 336 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 2: try to sue you, they'll try to subpoena you, and 337 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: they want you to spend hundreds of thousand dollars on 338 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: legal fees just so you stop putting out the truth. 339 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 2: And that to me, can't happen. We cannot be shut down, 340 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: we cannot be quieted. We have to put the mission first. 341 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: And I think the fact that most people are leaving 342 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 2: mainstream media and listening to your Great Show and other 343 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: platforms to get their news shows us we're winning that battle, 344 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: but it's going to take some time. 345 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: You've had such a wide range of fascinating background because 346 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: you've seen things from the standpoint of the House, the Congress, 347 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: You've seen things from the standpoint of the White House. 348 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: You've seen things from our largest bureaucracy, the Defense Department. 349 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: So you really can bring a lot to bear and 350 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: analyzing and educating the rest of us. One of the 351 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: fascinating examples was Benghazi because it both involves I think, 352 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: deliberate dishonesty by Obama and deliberate dishonesty about Clinton. And 353 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: I know that you were deeply involved in looking at that. 354 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: What's your take on how Benghazi was handled? 355 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: I was a national security prosecutor at the Department of 356 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: Justice at the time, and I was the lead prosecutor 357 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: for Maine Justice Headquarters Division on the Benghazi prosecutions, and 358 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: to me, I thought, Wow, we have to get. 359 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 3: This one right. 360 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 2: This was an attack essentially on American soil in Libya 361 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: that killed an ambassador and three great service members, and 362 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: we had to go out there and get the terrorists 363 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: to do it. But I remember sitting down with an 364 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: Attorney General, Eric Holder, and briefing him on how many 365 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 2: terrorists we wanted to prosecute north of twenty because they 366 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 2: were responsible for this horrible, tragic event of murdering four Americans, 367 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 2: and they wouldn't let us do it. He just said, now, 368 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 2: We're just going to go after this one guy and 369 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 2: that's it. 370 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 3: And I was just blown away by it. 371 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: What also occurred out of the Bengazi scandal that I 372 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 2: talked about in the book, is that's where Hillary Clinton's 373 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 2: email scandal came from. She was Secretary of State during 374 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 2: that process, and when we went in there to go 375 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 2: look at the discovery materials to make sure the defendants 376 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 2: had due process, that's where that information all pulled out 377 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: of And I think that's what started it. And the 378 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 2: problem I had with it was that it was handled improperly, 379 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 2: not just by Department of Justice and the FBI, but 380 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: that for a political reason, we let many terrorists go 381 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 2: because they didn't want to prosecute those individuals for some reason. 382 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: And the one individual that they did prosecute, now we're 383 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,959 Speaker 2: able to fast forward and talk about it, Katala is 384 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: an individual that's going to shortly be released from prison. 385 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: You heard that right, the individual that the one guy 386 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: that we prosecuted from Magazi got such a low level 387 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 2: prison sentence because this DOJ under Attorney General Holder bungled 388 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 2: the prosecution and wouldn't listen to the facts and the 389 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: law and politicize the Department of Justice so that I 390 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: believe they did it so that they could support a 391 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton for President narrative, because she was the leading 392 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: candidate at the time and this happened on her watch, 393 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: and they didn't want it to go to Donald Trump, 394 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: of course, and that was the original sin for me, 395 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: that preceded Russia Gate. Even that's why I think Bengazi 396 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 2: is so critical. But most importantly, we failed the American people. 397 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 2: There are still a dozen or so people involved in 398 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: that murder, in that terrorist attack that remained free because 399 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: the Obama administration refused to prosecute them. 400 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: Why do you think that holder did not want to 401 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: prosecute him. 402 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 2: I mean, he never gave me a specific reason, but 403 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: my sense of it was that it would cause too 404 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 2: much information to come out. 405 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 3: As I alluded to the. 406 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton email saga started from the Bengaza, the prosecutions, 407 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 2: in the discovery process and looking at all the information 408 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: that had gone back and forth. And I also think 409 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 2: that remember, you know, the whole Susan Reis ordeal about 410 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 2: her lying to the world and saying it had to 411 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 2: do with some newspaper burning an effigy of the prophet 412 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: Muhammad for those people that are of the Muslim faith, 413 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 2: and it was a total lie. It was a complete 414 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 2: and total lie. And I think the Justice Department was 415 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 2: weaponized to run cover for the Democratic Party. Maybe back 416 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 2: then people thought that was a crazy right wing talking point, 417 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 2: but now we know they've established a track record of it, 418 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,719 Speaker 2: from Benghazi to Russia Gate, to Hunter Biden to Joe Biden, 419 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 2: and any January sixth prosecution. Really we've seen not any, 420 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: but most January sixth prosecutions. We've seen their disparate treatment. 421 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: You know. Part of what really changed my view of 422 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: this whole fight was reading Andy McCarthy's book Ball of Collusion, 423 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: where he says flatly that on I think it's January seventh, 424 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, Obama hosts a meeting of Justice, FBI, and 425 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: Intelligence to talk through how to basically cripple the Trump administration. 426 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: And it hit me that, I guess because he got 427 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: such extraordinarily favorable protective coverage by the news media, Obama 428 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: is really at the heart of a lot of this. 429 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: These are his appointees, these are his decisions. Susan Rice 430 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: did not go out there without his knowing about it. 431 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: Why do you think Obama? Well, one, do you think 432 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm right that he is in fact much more culpable 433 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: than people have been saying? And two, why do you 434 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: think he gets away with it? 435 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 2: I do agree with you that a lot of this 436 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 2: starts and ends with President Obama, and it's the cyclical 437 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 2: nature of the deep state. You just highlighted the most 438 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: critical meeting that we analyze. 439 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,239 Speaker 3: When I was running the russ of Gate investigation. 440 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: The one where Brennan, then the head of the CIA, 441 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 2: goes in and reefs Obama and his team, including Justice 442 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: Department officials, that Hillary Clinton had started this operation to 443 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 2: take out Donald Trump based on bogus fake intelligence. They 444 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 2: knew that from Jump and they Clapper Brennan, Obama, Clinton 445 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: and company wanted to ensure that they recapped Donald Trump 446 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 2: on the way into the White House because they felt 447 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 2: that Donald Trump took away the election from them. They 448 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 2: the deep state were rising up to go against Donald 449 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 2: Trump because he knew they would be exposed. And so 450 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: I think you're one hundred percent right that it goes 451 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: to Barack Obama. As to the why and the allowed 452 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: cover up, it's because the entrenched bureaucracy in Washington, d C. 453 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 2: Became so wed to Barack Obama and his presidency, and 454 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 2: they got so rewarded in monetary fashions, in position fashions 455 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: that they had to support whatever Obama put out there. 456 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: Case in point, just to bring this full circle, just 457 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: this past week or the week before, Brennan and Clapper, 458 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: the two individuals who lied to Congress about surveilling the 459 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 2: United States Senate and about collecting metadata on American citizens. 460 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: Both of these cabinet secretaries were now just recently appointed 461 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: by the DHS Secretary of MAJORCIS to intelligence positions to 462 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 2: publicly go out and speak a narrative. 463 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 3: That they know is false. 464 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: But they now know that Donald Trump is on the 465 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 2: rise again, and these two individuals, it's no surprise the 466 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 2: guys that launched Russiagate and the cover operation are now 467 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 2: being placed back in power in a public position to 468 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 2: take out Donald Trump, and that's exactly what they're going 469 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: to do. It's shocking to me that they still have 470 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: a security clearance. It's one of the measures that we 471 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 2: talk about in government answers that needs to be utilized 472 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: to kneecap these individuals and preclude them from earning a 473 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 2: living once they violated. 474 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 3: Their constitutional oaths of office. 475 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 2: But it's no coincidence that these guys are back, and 476 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 2: it's no coincidence, you got my bottom dollar that they're 477 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: talking to President Barack Obama on how to go forward 478 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: and what they should do in the Democratic Party, because 479 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 2: I think they're smart enough to realize that Democrats don't 480 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: even want Joe Biden to run, and now they're figuring 481 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 2: out a way for the Republicans to do their dirty 482 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: work form by impeaching Joe Biden. 483 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: How likely is it do you think that the fourteenth 484 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: Amendment can be used to actually keep Trump off the ballot? 485 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 3: Zero? If any American? 486 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 2: And this is a great example of how dominant the 487 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 2: fake news is and how dominant disinformation is. Everybody listening 488 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 2: to this podcast, so just open up their pocket Constitution 489 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 2: and read the first sentence of the fourteenth Amendment. Do 490 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: you know the only position that does not appear listed 491 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: in the fourteenth Amendment? President? The fourteenth Amendment list the 492 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 2: vice presidency. The fourteenth Amendment list senators, it lists House 493 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 2: of Representatives and other classifications lower than that, but it 494 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 2: does not list the presidents of the United States. Because 495 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 2: our founding fathers did not want this scenario to play out. 496 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 3: They didn't want a political vendetta and the. 497 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 2: Constitution to be used to take out someone who is 498 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 2: going to be running for the presidency of the United states, 499 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 2: they felt that decision should be adjudicated at the polls. 500 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 2: So this is just their as I call it, Russia 501 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: Gate twenty seven point zero. And they've got fifteen others 502 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: coming down the pike that they've already planned, be it 503 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 2: through George Soros funded law for actions, be it through 504 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 2: the DOJ and FBI weaponization, be through the intelligence communities 505 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 2: politicization of its process. They are going to come out, 506 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 2: maybe it's the new Brennan and Clapper initiative, and figure 507 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: out another way once this fourteenth Amendment narrative dies off. 508 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 2: But the one thing you have to remind the audience 509 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 2: is the fourteenth Amendment precludes secretaries of State, that is, 510 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 2: the fifty states of the United States of America from 511 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 2: removing anybody from the presidency of the United States. 512 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 3: It's that simple. 513 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: You make a point in your book, which I think 514 00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: is very important, that the whole notion of trials in DC, 515 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: particularly for conservatives, is crazy, because, I mean, Trump got 516 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 1: five percent of the vote and a jury pool would 517 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: be nineteen to one against him. I mean, how can 518 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: you talk about trial in front of your peers when 519 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: your peers are nineteen to one? Top post you before 520 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: the trial starts. Isn't there something profoundly wrong about that? 521 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: It's profoundly in my opinion on constitutional That's why there 522 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: are avenues to seek alternative jurisdictions. The United States Supreme 523 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 2: Court has said that in those circumstances, when a jury 524 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 2: pool is so tainted and you cannot receive a fair chury, 525 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 2: the Constitution mandates a fair jurisdiction of fair venue. And 526 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: the Department of Justice, just like Merrik Garland, when he 527 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 2: lied last week to Congress under oath again about his 528 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: handling of the Hunter Biden case and his involvement in 529 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: the Trump prosecutions, it reminded me that the DOJ has 530 00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: been blurting out massive disinformation campaigns from the Wealth of 531 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 2: Congress for years. They keep saying, oh, it's long standing 532 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 2: DOJ principle. Well, when does principle trump the law the 533 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 2: Constitution of the United States? And I was just shocked 534 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 2: to learn that we've gone on for decades allowing dj 535 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: to get away with that statement. And in my book, 536 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 2: I call for the Department of Justices regulations to be changed, 537 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,479 Speaker 2: which is very easy to do. Any Attorney general can 538 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 2: do it and say that these cases, these politicize these 539 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 2: weaponized cases. 540 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 3: Need if they are going to be brought. 541 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: I don't think they're brought lawfully, but if they're going 542 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 2: to be brought, need to be subjected to a change 543 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: of venue or bringing in another jurisdiction far far away 544 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 2: from Washington, DC. It's very easy to do. People think 545 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 2: it's unlawful, which is not the truth. And when you 546 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 2: have an Attorney General and an FBI director who repeatedly 547 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: tell Americans that it's long standing department policy to do 548 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: things this way, I think that is a grotesque violation 549 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 2: of the Constitution, but a tool that the deep State 550 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 2: keeps in their back pocket to utilize all the time. 551 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: I want to thank you. I've always enjoyed since I 552 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: think it was Vince Haley first introduced us, back when 553 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: he was a speech writer and you were operating in 554 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: the old Executive Office building. And you're amazingly smart, and 555 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: you are hardworking, and you've proven again and again you're 556 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: very courageous. Your book, Government Gangsters is an important book. 557 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: I have pre ordered it, and I encourage everyone to 558 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: go and order it. We really are going to do 559 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: all weekend to make sure people realize that Government Gangsters 560 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: the Deep State. The Truth and the Battle for Democracy 561 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: is a key read in terms of the fight that 562 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: we're now in, and I want to thank you. I'm 563 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: grateful you would take this time to be with us now. 564 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: Mister speaker. I'm very humbled. Thank you for having me 565 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 2: on your show. As a younger conservative, I would look 566 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: up to your leadership. And it's just really cool for 567 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: me to now be face to face and talking about 568 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: a book that I wrote. 569 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 3: Never thought a day like that would come. So thank 570 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 3: you for. 571 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 2: Your generous time and your appreciation of our movement. 572 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 3: Or We're going to see each other soon. 573 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest, Cash Patel. 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