WEBVTT - How Black Holes Work

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to you Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. You put the

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<v Speaker 1>not about thick stuff you should know. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really I don't know why you called it that. It's weird.

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<v Speaker 1>What's it about? Just go watch it? Everybody out there

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<v Speaker 1>watch it, right, We're just gonna boost him to fame. Huh. Um, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever seen a black hole? Um? No, no

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't, and you know why because no one has.

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<v Speaker 1>They're invisible. As a matter of fact, we can't even

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<v Speaker 1>say that they are real. If you're an empiricist and

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<v Speaker 1>empiricism if you forgot your philosophy. One oh one is

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that nothing exists unless you can detect it

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<v Speaker 1>with your senses one or all of the five senses.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know who champion that I'm just asking? Let's

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<v Speaker 1>say Bacon. Okay. I thought you were gonna say Decart,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't think so. No. Deck Cartes was more

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<v Speaker 1>into himself. He talked a lot about the eye. Yeah. Yeah, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say, Sir Francis Bacon, all right, Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>probably totally wrong, but not love Bacon. Empirically speaking, black

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<v Speaker 1>holes don't exist because we can't detect them. We can't

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<v Speaker 1>hear him, although I have heard that they do make

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<v Speaker 1>a sound. Yeah, and I have. Morgan Freeman said that

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<v Speaker 1>we can probably hear them before we could see them.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason we can't see them. So let's just say,

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<v Speaker 1>if you are um part of hearing or deaf, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't taste, yeah, and you can't touch you,

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<v Speaker 1>you have no sensations. It's just your eyes that you

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<v Speaker 1>rely on. Black holes will probably never exist to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Got you? That's my inter that's good, Thank you. This

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<v Speaker 1>one melted my brain a little, have to admit I

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<v Speaker 1>was expecting a brain melt. But I thought Fred and Rick,

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<v Speaker 1>Fred and Rich. We've never figured out how to pronounce

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<v Speaker 1>his name. Let's go Rich, the only um writer that

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<v Speaker 1>how stuff works with a PhD. That's what they toss him,

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<v Speaker 1>ones like how black holes work. He I thought he

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<v Speaker 1>did a decent job. I think it's a high time

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<v Speaker 1>we get our honorary PhD. Where would you want yours from?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, some I don't know. Maybe Georgia. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>why not I take a doctorate from Georgia that I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to lift a finger for. Okay, well we

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<v Speaker 1>just put the call up. My dad got a doctor

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<v Speaker 1>from Georgia. Yeah, but he got a real one. Yeah. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>he had to write the whole thesis and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever call him doctor? Uh No, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>what he You know, he went by the whole time,

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Bryant. If you got an honorary doctor, you could

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<v Speaker 1>do that whole um spies like us thing with your

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<v Speaker 1>dad doctor doctor. Yeah. Yeah, we're really stalling on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't want to talk about black all right, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>kick it all off, all right, So black holes we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that they exist for certain, although yes we do.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't see him, I guess, is ultimately what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>But um, there was a real lag in between the

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<v Speaker 1>time that they were predicted to exist, um, before we

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<v Speaker 1>started figuring out how to detect them, and we detect

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<v Speaker 1>them indirectly. Sure, but um, A lot of people say

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<v Speaker 1>Einstein was the first one to predict black holes. Not true. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this blew me away. Oh yeah, this dude, yeah, pretty smart.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh what's his name? Pierre Simon Laplace? And he used

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<v Speaker 1>Newton's theory of gravity and he said he calculated, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's an object compressed small enough, um, the escape

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<v Speaker 1>velocity of that object would be faster than the speed

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<v Speaker 1>of light. And he was like right on the money, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which means that nothing can escape this, including light. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because if light can't escape it's the fastest thing around,

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<v Speaker 1>then nothing can. Yeah. I guess we should just say

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<v Speaker 1>simply straight up. First of all, I still haven't even

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<v Speaker 1>said what it is. Yeah, it is what remains after

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<v Speaker 1>a former star um collapses upon itself, after Gordon Webb

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<v Speaker 1>collapses upon himself, either by super nova, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>little more um explosive. I understand it's dramatic um or.

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<v Speaker 1>I just learned this term and nova. Have you heard

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<v Speaker 1>of that? No, I haven't. I think that's newer on

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<v Speaker 1>the scene, and that is a little a little more anticlimactic.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when a star will just sort of disappear.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a big explosion. It just kind of shrinks

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<v Speaker 1>and collapses. It's like the credit Garbo of black Holes exactly. So,

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah. Or an un nova. I've not heard of

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<v Speaker 1>that one. I watched through the Wormhole today and there

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<v Speaker 1>was a guy just going on and on about the unknova. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, seriously, they're so understated. It's okay. So, uh well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's let's just give a quick primer of what a

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<v Speaker 1>star is. The star is essentially a big fusion reactor, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So there's nuclear explosion after nuclear explosion. It's constant and

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<v Speaker 1>they're massive, and they want to blow the star, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a ball of gas outward. But you have another

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<v Speaker 1>force called gravity, which is trying to draw the star

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<v Speaker 1>inward toward its center. So you have this interplay, this

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<v Speaker 1>push and pull between nuclear explosion and gravity, and that

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<v Speaker 1>defines the star. Yeah, the equilibrium between the two. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and as I understand it, as they have these reactions,

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<v Speaker 1>they're actually burning up these gases in like a specific order,

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<v Speaker 1>even until eventually there is none left. Is that right? Right? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Gravity is always gonna win out because the star is

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<v Speaker 1>going to spend its fuel, right, Okay, So when the

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<v Speaker 1>star spends its fuel, gravity, it's like, ha ha, I

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<v Speaker 1>got the better of you, and I'm going to start

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<v Speaker 1>pulling in like I've always wanted to. And it compresses everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in the case of a supernova, the supernova

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<v Speaker 1>happens that explosion, right, Yeah, it sends stuff all out

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place, and then what's left is a core,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a super compressed core, which is fairly small,

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<v Speaker 1>the most dense thing you can imagine. Right. So, our

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<v Speaker 1>Earth has a gravitational field. It's a pretty massive body.

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<v Speaker 1>Comparatively speaking, it's a speck, but to you and me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty big, and it's big enough so that the

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<v Speaker 1>gravitational field prevents it from from being sucked inward. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But if the Earth were smaller, the gravitational field will

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<v Speaker 1>get stronger and stronger because the more dense something is

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<v Speaker 1>and the smaller it's radius. As I believe, is how

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<v Speaker 1>they put it. Astrophysically speaking, the stronger the force of

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<v Speaker 1>gravity acting on that. So the gravitational field around that

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<v Speaker 1>small object, like the core of a dead star um

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<v Speaker 1>is incredibly strong. Right. So you've got that core and

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<v Speaker 1>this gravitational feel acting on it, and gravity just keeps

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<v Speaker 1>pressing and pressing and pressing until the thing actually sinks

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<v Speaker 1>into the fabric of time and space. And my friend,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a black hole. Now do you have a

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<v Speaker 1>hole in the fabric of time and space? Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't see into it. You can't send anything into it

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<v Speaker 1>to report back. Well, yeah, that's the caveat. You can

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<v Speaker 1>send whatever you want into it. It ain't it ain't

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<v Speaker 1>coming back. It will. It will swallow anything that crosses

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<v Speaker 1>the event horizon like mouth. Yeah, it's like the rim, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't. Just like, uh, this thing I read

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<v Speaker 1>and we need to give a shout out to Hubble

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<v Speaker 1>Hubble site, hubble site dot org. They have this great

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<v Speaker 1>interactive thing on black holes. It's just really extensive. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where you fly through space. Yeah, it's very cool. It's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. Uh So they what's important to point out

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<v Speaker 1>because I thought it was just like this vacuum that

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<v Speaker 1>just sucked everything, you know, sucked everything inside of it

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<v Speaker 1>and like killed it. Yeah, it dejects stuff even well,

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<v Speaker 1>it ejects stuff, but it also doesn't suck anything into

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<v Speaker 1>itself anymore so than anything else in space with similar mass. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like vacuum cleaner. Right, Yeah, exactly. Like if we weren't

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<v Speaker 1>going so fast around the Sun, we could potentially be

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<v Speaker 1>pulled into the Sun, but because we're going around it

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<v Speaker 1>like I think sixty seven thousand miles per hour, it

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<v Speaker 1>prevents it from happening. And theoretically, if you could go

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<v Speaker 1>super super fast around in an orbit around a black hole,

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't get sucked in either, but you'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>be in a perfect orbit. Okay, if you're off at all,

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<v Speaker 1>then bye bye. Okay, So you mentioned the event horizon, right, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that core, that super compressed core is called the singularity. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know a lot about that um, and black

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<v Speaker 1>hole has a lot of really cool quirky UM aspects

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Number one one quirky. One thing I learned

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<v Speaker 1>about this that I didn't realize is that black holes

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<v Speaker 1>like move around space. Yeah, so, like you have a

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<v Speaker 1>hole in space, the fabric of space and time. Because

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<v Speaker 1>time and space are totally intertwined, they can't be separated. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>that's moving around, right, and there could be lots of them, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, depending on the kind. Um, there's probably tens

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<v Speaker 1>of millions of ones called stellar black holes, which are

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<v Speaker 1>about anywhere between ten to twenty four times the mass

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<v Speaker 1>of our Sun. And then there's super massive black holes,

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<v Speaker 1>which are tens of millions to billions of times more

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<v Speaker 1>massive than our Sun. And they think that there may

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<v Speaker 1>be one of those at the center of every galaxy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and at the very least at the center of the

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<v Speaker 1>Milky Way. Right. So the other quirky part, this is

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite thing about about black holes, is so gravity,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's strong enough, it has the capability of bending

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<v Speaker 1>space that pulls on space spacetime. Yes, because space and

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<v Speaker 1>time are intertwined, that means it also pulls on time.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you get close to a black hole, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think we talked about this a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>in the time travel episode. Uh, as you get closer

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<v Speaker 1>to the event horizon, they drag on time will actually

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<v Speaker 1>slow time for you relative to say the people back

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<v Speaker 1>here on Earth because at the event horizon, the reason

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<v Speaker 1>they call it an event horizon. Is an event is

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<v Speaker 1>a point in space time and as you get closer

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<v Speaker 1>to the event horizons, time slow until you hit the

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<v Speaker 1>event horizon and time stands still. You're going faster than

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<v Speaker 1>the speed of light. And once you pass that, there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's time to stops. That's a pretty quirky characteristic. The

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<v Speaker 1>quirkiest great word for it. Yeah. Uh. The event horizon

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<v Speaker 1>has a radius called the schwartz Field swatch Child radius.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry about that, And it's name for Carl Schwartzchild and

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<v Speaker 1>he was one of the early leading theorists on black holes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think the radius, I believe where don't have

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<v Speaker 1>that note if the Earth where to become a black hole.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the radius is the size of a marble.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what you'd have to shrink the Earth down to. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool and very small. It's mind blowing. It is

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<v Speaker 1>mind blowing. Um. And I think they the supermassive black

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<v Speaker 1>holes like the supernovas have only I think they happen

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<v Speaker 1>like once or twice per century. It's like we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>observed one of these because it's too far away and

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<v Speaker 1>it's too intermittent. Huh. But I think they're on the

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<v Speaker 1>lookout and like the next time there is one, hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>it's within the range that we can see or here

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<v Speaker 1>and the dude on through the wormholes. Like we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>sleep for weeks if that happened, Like we'd be running

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<v Speaker 1>so many tests trying to measure and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>see how big it was and how far away it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's a bit of a quandary. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think it will happen anytime soon? I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know when the last one was. So we're you

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<v Speaker 1>just mentioned the supermassive black hole, and they think that

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<v Speaker 1>there's one at the center of every galaxy, right, um,

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<v Speaker 1>And but there's there's kind of a mystery if black

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<v Speaker 1>holes aren't mysterious enough, there's a mystery to like why

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<v Speaker 1>there's such a huge difference in the two sizes the

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<v Speaker 1>stellar black hole which is like ten to twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>times our son, which, by the way, our son will

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<v Speaker 1>never become a black hole on its own, it's too small.

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<v Speaker 1>The that guy Simon Pierre Loss or Pierre Simon Lapasse,

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<v Speaker 1>he calculated that it has to be three times the

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<v Speaker 1>mass of our Sun, So our son is like a

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<v Speaker 1>third of the mass right, so it will never become

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<v Speaker 1>a black hole, but it could become a black hole

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<v Speaker 1>if it becomes a neutron star, or even as a star,

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<v Speaker 1>if it collides with another star, it can form a

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<v Speaker 1>black hole. It can be sucked up by a black

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<v Speaker 1>hole to make an even bigger black hole. And they

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<v Speaker 1>think perhaps, or I suspect this is the way that

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<v Speaker 1>they're headed. They think that a super massive black hole

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<v Speaker 1>is just a bunch of black holes pushed together. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because I did read it. If they collide, they potentially

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<v Speaker 1>would just like join forces. Yeah. And they think also

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<v Speaker 1>that stars can collide and create bigger stars and bigger

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<v Speaker 1>stars and bigger stars, and then when those die, they

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<v Speaker 1>could on their own form a super massive black hole.

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<v Speaker 1>But if it's at the center of a galaxy, probably

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on. It's like if you have a sheet

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<v Speaker 1>and you put a baseball in the middle. Remember we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about wormholes, It kind of bends the sheet.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you drop a marble on the sheet, it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to go towards the center. So what I think

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<v Speaker 1>is going on is that there's this there's super massive

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<v Speaker 1>black holes at the center of a galaxy, and it

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<v Speaker 1>just eventually everything is moving toward that to form a

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<v Speaker 1>huge black hole. Really, that's what I think is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're yeah, but not in our lifetime. Well, who

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<v Speaker 1>cares about our children and their children? Yeah? I can't

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<v Speaker 1>even conceive how far down there it is? Should we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about? Um? The different too, A couple of two

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<v Speaker 1>different types. UM, the Schwartz Child non rotating type, in

0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:40.440
<v Speaker 1>the ker or ker Newman rotating type. UM. It's pretty simple.

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<v Speaker 1>If the star was rotating before it collapsed upon itself,

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<v Speaker 1>it will continue to rotate afterwards, for I guess as

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<v Speaker 1>long as it's around, Is that right? Yeah? It's the

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<v Speaker 1>angular conservation of angular momentum, where like if something spinning,

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<v Speaker 1>why would it stop? I think it's how to put

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<v Speaker 1>like an ice skater pretty much. Uh. And the curb

0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:06.680
<v Speaker 1>black hole is a little more complex. Um. It has

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<v Speaker 1>the singularity which we've talked about, the event horizon, which

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<v Speaker 1>you've talked about but you don't want to go near.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see that movie? I love that movie. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite horror movies. I need to go

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<v Speaker 1>back and rewatch it. You should because I remember liking

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<v Speaker 1>it to a point and then not thinking it was

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<v Speaker 1>so great, No you're thinking of yeah, okay, and never

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<v Speaker 1>has a movie spectacularly fallen upon event horizon was Sam Neil, Right, yeah, okay,

0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:38.640
<v Speaker 1>the class act he is, isn't he? Uh? And then

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<v Speaker 1>there's the ergosphere and that is the UM egg shaped region.

0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Basically that's the spinning part because it's dragging space around it,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's gonna have the shape. And then the static

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<v Speaker 1>limit is the boundary between the ergosphere and what they

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<v Speaker 1>call normal space. So there was something in here that

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<v Speaker 1>UM and I couldn't find this time, but before I've

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<v Speaker 1>found that a car ring, right, the rotating black hole.

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<v Speaker 1>UM doesn't have a singularity because the centrifugal force combats

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<v Speaker 1>gravity enough so that the core can't be compressed enough

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<v Speaker 1>to form a singularity, which is the whole reason why

0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.680
<v Speaker 1>they think that that could potentially be used as a

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<v Speaker 1>wormhole to travel through time bridge perhaps because with the

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<v Speaker 1>singularity you have spaghettification, which is a real word, right, Um.

0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Where As you get closer and closer to it, gravity

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<v Speaker 1>just pulls you on an atomic and cellular level and

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<v Speaker 1>stretches you into like this dead string version of yourself. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But the centrifugal force prevents gravity from becoming that powerful

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<v Speaker 1>around the carrying, which supposedly you should be able to

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<v Speaker 1>go through it. Is that your theory? No, No, I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen it elsewhere. I'm just saying, I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>caring or care black hole has a singularity. Dispute that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I got you. Um, And I think that the schwartz

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<v Speaker 1>Child black hole does not have the ergosphere of the

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<v Speaker 1>static limit. Is that right? Yeah? I don't think so,

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<v Speaker 1>just the singularity in the event horizon. Yeah, the swarts

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<v Speaker 1>Child one is the one that you think of when

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<v Speaker 1>you think of a black hole. Oh, isn't Huh. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just like a black hole. It's got a singularity, it's

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<v Speaker 1>got the event horizon. Can escape caring, light can escape,

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<v Speaker 1>and things can become injected, and if you get up

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<v Speaker 1>enough speed you could pass by it as long as

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<v Speaker 1>you don't cross the event horizon. Man, there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>rules I know. And plus it's all theoretical too, or

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<v Speaker 1>not all theoretical, but a lot of it is because

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<v Speaker 1>if you could only see. Yeah, we don't even know

0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:45.280
<v Speaker 1>that black holes exist, what we do? Um, but we

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<v Speaker 1>can detect them in a few different ways. Is that right? Uh? Three?

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<v Speaker 1>Ways mass um mass estimates. So basically you can't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>measure a black hole, but you can study the things

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<v Speaker 1>swirling around it. Get some idea from that about like

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<v Speaker 1>how big it is. Yeah, it's Kepler's third law of

0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:11.680
<v Speaker 1>planetary motion appropriately enough, and that it says that the

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<v Speaker 1>time of orbit squared equals the average orbital radius cube,

0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.359
<v Speaker 1>which somehow translates to mass. But basically, if you watch

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<v Speaker 1>something spinning, first of all, you have to say, why

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<v Speaker 1>is that thing orbiting something that we can't see? Yeah,

0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.840
<v Speaker 1>is why is it wobbling? Right? If it's wobbling and um,

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<v Speaker 1>if if you can, if you trace its orbit and um,

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<v Speaker 1>take that to the second power square it. Uh, if

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<v Speaker 1>that equals the mass of three times or more of

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun, then you probably have a black hole. You've

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<v Speaker 1>probably detected a black hole that's in the vicinity of

0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.000
<v Speaker 1>that thing that you're tracking. So basically, this thing is

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<v Speaker 1>acting like it's near a black hole and there's no

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<v Speaker 1>other reason, right, we can pinpoint, so it must be

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<v Speaker 1>a black hole. Yes, is simple enough gravity lens Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Einstein predicted that you could be in space. Pretty smart dude,

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<v Speaker 1>and he actually confirmed this. Actually did he confirm it. No.

0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:21.760
<v Speaker 1>He basically theory of general relativity and special reality. He

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<v Speaker 1>just made a bunch of predictions that was like, you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>go out and figure it out, and everybody did and

0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.720
<v Speaker 1>if he was proven right, so it was confirmed during

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<v Speaker 1>a solar eclipse, star's position was measured before, during, and afterward,

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<v Speaker 1>and the position shifted because light was bent by Sun's gravity. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty amazing. It was like here I am here, you

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<v Speaker 1>am here, I am And another um effect that a

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<v Speaker 1>black hole can have as far as lights concerned, as um,

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<v Speaker 1>it can concentrate light by bending it by that gravitational lens.

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<v Speaker 1>So a star can become brighter all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>And when you can't see what's doing that, you must

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<v Speaker 1>assume that a black hole passed in between your line

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<v Speaker 1>of sight and the star, sort of like a eclipse,

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<v Speaker 1>right all right? And then uh, emitted radiation. This one

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<v Speaker 1>makes a lot of sense because it emits um X

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<v Speaker 1>rays because of the heat generated when something falls into

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<v Speaker 1>the star. And you can actually measure and detect these

0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:27.720
<v Speaker 1>X rays, right, So, and that's just X rays camera

0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:31.960
<v Speaker 1>rays too, apparently. Yeah, but this this stuff, it's called

0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:34.960
<v Speaker 1>acretion where if something is swirling around a black hole

0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.600
<v Speaker 1>and it goes in or it's sucked into the swirl

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<v Speaker 1>around a black hole towards the event horizon through gravity. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>That's called acretion. And what I don't understand. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think black holes spit anything out like I thought they

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<v Speaker 1>were the cosmic vacuum cleaner too. But it turns out

0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:55.280
<v Speaker 1>they can spit out matter, and when they do, they

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<v Speaker 1>form these things called jets. So if you see a

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<v Speaker 1>solar system um or um a galaxy and there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of matter flying out in these concentrated forms called jets,

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<v Speaker 1>there's probably a black holder. All right, Well, I went

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<v Speaker 1>to the Hubble site and picked out a few questions

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<v Speaker 1>about black holes that are I think helped clear up

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<v Speaker 1>a few things at least did for me. Do black

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<v Speaker 1>holes live forever? I'm going to say yes. No. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we used to think that actually, so you were thinking

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<v Speaker 1>with your nineteen three brain. Stephen Hawkin came along in

0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:39.840
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sev and uh showed that they actually evaporate over

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<v Speaker 1>time really slowly and just sort of emit their energy

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<v Speaker 1>back into the universe. I'm just kind of sweet, I guess, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't understand how like the core burns out

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<v Speaker 1>or the core breaks up. I don't know. He just

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<v Speaker 1>said they slowly evaporate, And who am I to argue, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>how large are they? The size and event horizon is

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<v Speaker 1>proportional to the mass of the black hole, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they found them, um with event horizons from six miles

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<v Speaker 1>to the size of our entire solar system. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>big big differences in size, like you were talking about. Yeah, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember the name of the the galaxy, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's a galaxy that's like the size of our solar

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<v Speaker 1>system at the center, but it has a mass of

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<v Speaker 1>like one point two billion times in size of our Sun.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're like, okay, there's probably a black hole there.

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<v Speaker 1>This is when my brain starts melting. It's like, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't even can see I can't even conceive this stuff.

0:22:37.040 --> 0:22:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I know. We're like just we're talking about like the

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<v Speaker 1>layman's interpretation of you know, the stuff, Like we're not

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<v Speaker 1>even throwing numbers out there. Yeah. I don't mean, I

0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:49.320
<v Speaker 1>don't feel too bad because the more I researched it,

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<v Speaker 1>the more I saw a lot of really smart people

0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:55.119
<v Speaker 1>saying like this is mind blowing stuff, you know, So

0:22:55.119 --> 0:22:58.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm not that big of a dummy. What types are there?

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<v Speaker 1>I think we already said super massive or stellar maps.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you safely orbit of black hole? You can if you,

0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:08.800
<v Speaker 1>like I said, I was gonna say, now if you

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<v Speaker 1>get in the exact right circular orbit, but it's very

0:23:13.680 --> 0:23:16.359
<v Speaker 1>unlikely that that would happen. But once you the event horizon,

0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:20.720
<v Speaker 1>that's that toast. Uh. And then what is inside a

0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.280
<v Speaker 1>black hole? Because we cannot glimpse inside of it, we

0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:26.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know for sure, but they think that the singularity

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<v Speaker 1>is like they think everything is piled up in the center,

0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:32.000
<v Speaker 1>like just stacked up, like whatever it's sucking in is

0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:36.080
<v Speaker 1>stacked up at the center. But to understand it fully, um,

0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:39.760
<v Speaker 1>they're having to marry basically two different um parts of science,

0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:43.520
<v Speaker 1>which is quantum mechanics and gravity. And they've even named

0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:46.800
<v Speaker 1>it quantum gravity. And they don't they don't know how

0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:49.240
<v Speaker 1>that stuff works, but they did name it. Well at

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<v Speaker 1>least that's at yeah, and the Hubble site said it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh, one of, if not the most important unsolved

0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:59.480
<v Speaker 1>problems in physics. Still, so yeah, because there's like a

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<v Speaker 1>whole in this fabric of space time. And Morgan Freeman

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<v Speaker 1>thinks in the black hole could be the answers to

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<v Speaker 1>everything I wonder. I've also wondered like if if say,

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<v Speaker 1>the Singularity is really just forming a tunnel, does it

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<v Speaker 1>break through? Can you break through space time? Or is

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<v Speaker 1>it really just like a like a well because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>well it doesn't go all the way through the Earth.

0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Morgan Freeman talked about it. Well, that's funny. Well I

0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:32.399
<v Speaker 1>mean that, but that's I think what it is, because

0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 1>something has to hold the Singularity in place, right, It's

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:37.800
<v Speaker 1>got to be butted up against something. So I wonder

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:41.280
<v Speaker 1>if it's just pressed down to a degree that gravity

0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 1>can't push it any further, or is it something that's

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<v Speaker 1>just like punched through and we assume that the core

0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:49.760
<v Speaker 1>still there but it's long gone, right it's in China.

0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Good question, they'll answer it in I just read um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, our friend Joan d Azo, he recommended these

0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:01.440
<v Speaker 1>books to his time travel books. I read one of

0:25:01.520 --> 0:25:04.919
<v Speaker 1>him over the weekend. The Man who Folded Himself highly recommended,

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<v Speaker 1>Very trippy. Written in nineteen seventy three. It's like one

0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:13.159
<v Speaker 1>of those you know, and uh, it's nonfiction. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>about a guy who gets a time belt from his

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 1>uncle's nonfiction. What did I say? It was nonfiction? No fiction?

0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Who is this man? Uh No, it's very much fiction

0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 1>science fiction. And he gets a time belt from his

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<v Speaker 1>uncle that basically, um, he subscribes or the author ends

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:36.560
<v Speaker 1>up subscribing to the mini worlds theory because every time

0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:38.679
<v Speaker 1>this guy time travels, he creates a different version of

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:41.800
<v Speaker 1>himself in a different world, but they meet up, so

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<v Speaker 1>he ends up he ends up having a relationship with himself, really,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he ends up having a relationship with many

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<v Speaker 1>of himself, like has a relationship or makes relations he

0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:58.199
<v Speaker 1>he has sex with himself, and then he has an

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:03.120
<v Speaker 1>orgy with himself and then that is it is. Dude,

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 1>when you're reading it, you're like, you get to see

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:12.040
<v Speaker 1>this guy like he's from California's and then he eventually, um,

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<v Speaker 1>there are female versions of himself created in these different realities,

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<v Speaker 1>and he has a relationship and gets his female self

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant and has a little boy who ends up becoming

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<v Speaker 1>who he was, and he delivers the time belt to

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<v Speaker 1>him at the end. I guess it just ruined it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty much the book. Yeah, it's well worth reading now,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it'll like it'll melt your brain. Almost

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<v Speaker 1>no fiction these days, anyways, thank you for that. It's good.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like a walking cliffs notes. And it's it's short,

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<v Speaker 1>so like you could read it. I read it over

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend when I was at the cabin, so it

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<v Speaker 1>was nice. And the Hunger Games. Did you read that really? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I read it in a day. How was it? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's it's those books like that are it's

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<v Speaker 1>like popcorn movie. You know. It wasn't bad. It really

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<v Speaker 1>moved along and then we saw the movie and the

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<v Speaker 1>movie stunk. Does it have like a like three page chapters?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it like one of those books? Okay? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it was fine. You know, I don't know anything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the most Dangerous game. Oh that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's an RC plane out it sounds like it.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a couple of them. I think there's an RC

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<v Speaker 1>dog a drone outside office. So if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>learn more about black holes, there's this really cool article

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<v Speaker 1>on the site called how black holes Work. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good approach. Initial approach too, black holes pretty understandable.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think you'll like it? Puts theres some neat pictures,

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<v Speaker 1>UM type black holes in the search bar house to

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<v Speaker 1>and read the listener mail. This is from Mark in

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey, fifteen year old just smarter than me. Um. Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fifteen. I'm a big fan of the show. Find

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<v Speaker 1>it very interesting and funny, and I listened to it

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<v Speaker 1>whenever I have a long car ride. Right, boring, mindless

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<v Speaker 1>task to accomplish. I was just recently listening to the

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan Star Wars program. The Cold War and global thermonuclear

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<v Speaker 1>war are perhaps my favorite topics. How about a nice

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<v Speaker 1>game of chess. Chuck should read that part in a

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<v Speaker 1>robot voice, and you did. I was listening to the

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<v Speaker 1>part about Um shooting off nukes willy nilly in space.

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<v Speaker 1>You were wondering if that had a negative effect, and

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<v Speaker 1>said some really smart guy at email the answer. Then

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<v Speaker 1>I remembered something that's all on Discovery Channel. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember all the details, but I believe Michio Kaku said

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<v Speaker 1>nukes don't work in space because of the way they

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<v Speaker 1>transfer energy. Adam to ADAM spaces a vacuum, so there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lack of atoms to transfer energy through Um,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how he remembers it. At least. UM, I

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<v Speaker 1>hope I was the really smart guy who helped to

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<v Speaker 1>answer your question. Technically, Michio Kaku was the one is

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<v Speaker 1>the really smart guy. But Mark with a C from

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey was smart enough to relay that information to us,

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<v Speaker 1>and we we talked about this. We followed it up

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<v Speaker 1>kind of inadvertently. Um, with the testing nuclear weapons that'll

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<v Speaker 1>fall out, that's true, and it seemed like they were

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<v Speaker 1>like the nukes worked right, I guess worked enough to test.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they made some crazy fireworks displaying this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>But who am I did disagree with the Mischio Cockum exactly. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks a lot, Mark. We appreciate you being so smart

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