1 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: I have one question, and that question is is it 2 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: September yet? Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the 3 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: Distance podcast. I'm Dirk Durham, and there are sixteen days 4 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: left until September. I can't even believe. It seems like 5 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: this summer is just kind of blown by. It's been 6 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: super busy for me. We've had lots of camping trips, 7 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: done a lot of family stuff, and a lot of scouting, 8 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: and it seems like there's never enough days in summer. 9 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: You know, the short window of getting to the back 10 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: country here in Idaho is it's tough because you know 11 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: a lot of them places are just not accessible until 12 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: after July first or so around fourth of July you 13 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: can start hitting almost everywhere in the country just do 14 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: to There's just so much snow. It just kind of 15 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: lingers a little too long. But be that as it may. 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: This episode, we're going to talk about lip balls, grunts, chuckles, 17 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: and barks. Right, if you remember, back in episode number 18 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: eighty six, we covered calling fundamentals, cow calls, and basic bugles. Well, 19 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: this is the next episode and final episode of this 20 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: little calling series where we're going to kind of go 21 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: over all the best practices to help you guys get 22 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: a little better at Colin Elk and have a little 23 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: more confidence as fall. But first, before we get too 24 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: far to get too carried away, we have a question 25 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: answer segment sponsored by Pendleton Whiskey Letter Buck. Now, this 26 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: question is not one in particular from one person. This 27 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: question comes from direct messages, in person questions. People have 28 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: called in and asked about this question. So I'm gonna 29 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: do my best answer here. It is a very popular 30 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: one and maybe some of you can relate. And the 31 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: question is I can't chuckle very good and I'm worried 32 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: about messing up my chances and calling in a bowl. 33 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: Can you help me with my chuckles? Well, first off, 34 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: if you're struggling with chuckles and grunts and aren't confident 35 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: with them, you can always just eliminate them from your 36 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: calling routine. There's been several bowls over the years that 37 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: I didn't chuckle or grunt at all when calling them in. 38 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of bulls over the years 39 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: who haven't chuckled or grunted. They just they did big bugles, 40 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: they did big screams, things like that. So it's not 41 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: always one hundred percent necessary. Now, on the flip side, 42 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: there are some bowls that that's all they do is 43 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: chuckle and grunt, So you don't necessarily have to know 44 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: how to chuckle and grunt to call in a bowl. Now, 45 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: I will say, we'll definitely add to your confidence if 46 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: you can get proficient at it. And I think where 47 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: most people kind of struggle with chuckles and grunts are 48 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: the cadence rhythm tempo. And after doing lots of calling 49 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: classes with a lot of folks, you know, trying to 50 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: show them how I do it and kind of coach 51 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: them to see if they can become better, I've noticed 52 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: that a lot of people will take one deep breath 53 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: and then try to do all their chuckles and grunts 54 00:03:54,080 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: with that breath instead of breathing in, breathing out, breathing in, 55 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: breathing out. And when you just take one big breath 56 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: to do your grunts and chuckles, then you kind of 57 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: ran out of gas halfway through. Right, Let's say you 58 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: want to do seven chuckles or seven grunts, then about 59 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: number five your start lives an arrow and then you're like, oh, 60 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: I got to fit all these things in. So a 61 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: lot of times people will kind of like change the pace, 62 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: change the tempo and almost like hurriedly. But but also 63 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: they get kind of weak towards the end because they're 64 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: just they don't have enough air to make a good 65 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: articulate chuckle or grunt. So I like to say, let's 66 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: let's slow this down. This is kind of back to basics. 67 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: And it's almost like Mosquito, right, This is like like 68 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: it's almost I feel like it's almost like dumbing it 69 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: down too far. But I feel like if we can 70 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: dumb it down so far to how I learned things, 71 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: I need all the help I can get when I 72 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: learn things. So I'm going to simplify this I'm gonna do. 73 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: I always recommend making one chuckle or one grunt and 74 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: then taking a deep breath and making another one. And 75 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm focusing on making one perfect one before i start 76 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: adding another one and another one. It's almost like reading 77 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: a book too quick. It's like you start reading the 78 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: book it is get interesting. You don't want to just 79 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: flip through the pages and get to the back of 80 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: the book and see how it ends, right, as tempting 81 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: as it can be sometimes, so it's like we don't 82 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: want to try to get to the end of our chunkles, 83 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: chuckles or grunts too quickly. We want to make sure 84 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: we have plenty of time. We're in no hurry to 85 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: get there, just we want to just make sure they 86 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: sound good and sound articulate. Now, you might say, what 87 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: is the difference between a chuckle and grunt? Okay, isn't 88 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: that the same thing? Well, some people call it the 89 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: same thing. Here's how I look at it. Chuckles to 90 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: me are a lot faster paced. They're a little shorter notes, 91 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: more staccato, whereas grunts are gonna be more elongated, they're 92 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: gonna have they're gonna have more time on the diaphragm, 93 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: and then at a little bit slower tempo. So I'll 94 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: give you a demonstration here. So here's chuckles, just fast past. 95 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: I've even over the years, I've even had bulls that 96 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: sound like almost like a monkey like. It's kind of 97 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: a funny, funny little sound. Nay make that's like that's 98 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: a monkey bowl. But then here's grunts. You noticed are 99 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: just longer, louder, Maybe not louder, but yeah, usually a 100 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: little louder. But they're a longer, longer call it's a 101 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: little slower pace. It's not so fast paced, And does 102 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: it matter when calling bulls if you do chuckles or grunts, 103 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: I usually like to match the bowl. If the bull's 104 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 1: doing chuckles, I like to chuckle. The bull's doing these big, 105 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: thunderous grunts, I like to do those too. And it 106 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: might just be me, but I always feel like the 107 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: younger the bulls, the more chuckly they can be. Big 108 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: bulls will chuckle, but they just they sound different. When 109 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: you hear a four point bowl, like a two and 110 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: a half year old bull chuckling, it's almost like he's 111 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: just learning how to call that day. Sometimes they can 112 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: be pretty terrible, but the pace, the tempo and such 113 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: will sound like a real elk. If you are a 114 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: hunter and you're trying to do this with one breath, 115 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: you're your your pace, the sound, everything is going to 116 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: get kind of constricted and kind of weird, and it 117 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: won't be won't be authentic. That's how I always tell 118 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: if it's a hunter in the woods off Most times, 119 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: if if the chuckles and grunts, if I hear a 120 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: distant bugle, I'm like, oh, there's there's a bugle, And 121 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: then I'm listening, I'm like, oh, yeah, they're chuckling. Grunt, 122 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: and then it seems like hunters kind of kind of 123 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: messed that part up. It's like, oh, yeah, that's a dude. 124 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: But I have been fooled a couple of times. I mean, 125 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: no matter how much time you spend in the woods, 126 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: it seems like you know it's in hearing elk. You 127 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: can be fooled, especially elk or hunters. At a distance. 128 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: You can't quite hear a good clip crystal clear, you 129 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: can't hear them really well. Then I've been full before. 130 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: It's where I'm like, well, I got to go get 131 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: a better I gotta hear this better. So I'll climb 132 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: down or climb up. I'll climb over to where I 133 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: can get a very good read on it. And a 134 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: lot of times yet not a lot of times, but 135 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: there's been a few times that it's been a hunter. 136 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, shoot, dang it, now I have to 137 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: climb six hundred feet back up to where I was 138 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: at before. Uh So, but if you can identify those, 139 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty helpful keeps you from chasing chasing the 140 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: wrong thing in the woods. Right, So back to learning 141 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: how to make the perfect one. So make a perfect one, 142 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: and this is basically like an exaggerated col cal a 143 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: grunt or a chuckle. The chuckle is just a shorter one. 144 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: So we're just doing We're just doing a quick burst 145 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: air across the diaphragm, and then we're adding our voice 146 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: and then at the end that punch to the gut. 147 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: If remember we did that punch to the gut on 148 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: the bugles, We're going to do that again here, but 149 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: we're only hitting. We're only blasting that latex for just 150 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: a moment. So without the tube, it's gonna sound like this. Oh, 151 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: so just super short, super high pitched. Now to do 152 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: the grunt, it's gonna be a little longer. Oh, it's 153 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: just longer. So you're gonna have more of that, more 154 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: of that almost cow sound. But we're not gonna let 155 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: it slide off the back. We're not gonna slide off 156 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: that back real nice and slow. We're just gonna keep 157 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: it up that high note. And whenever after you make 158 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: that high note, then you're gonna completely drop your jaw 159 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: and drop your tongue away, so the diaphragm quits making 160 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: that that little noise, and then you're gonna throw in 161 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: the punch of the gut almost like your beat boxing. 162 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: And sometimes we're with folks coaching them, they kind of 163 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: struggle with that whole making the making the punch to 164 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: the gut at the right right time. So there's definitely 165 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: a line in the sand. Once you make that noise, 166 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: once you make that chuckle or grunt with your diaphragm 167 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: and you and you drop your jaw, that's when you're 168 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: you're you're punched to the gut comes in. You're reflecting 169 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: your voice. And sometimes folks will blend that that voice 170 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: in to the diaphragm sound and it'll sound something like this, 171 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: which you just it don't sound quite right, especially you 172 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: know you even in the tube, it doesn't sound right. 173 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: It's not horrible, it's not a it's not a game 174 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: changer or a deal breaker. You can still call out 175 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: like that. But if you want to try to sound 176 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: as authentic as you can, you want to kind of 177 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,599 Speaker 1: break that down. So if if you're struggling with that part, 178 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: try to make the diaphragm sound first, and just as 179 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: soon as you do that, make put the voice inflection 180 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: in kind of like this, So slow it way down. 181 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: If you're struggling, just slow everything down, right, We don't 182 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: have to do it fast. Slow it way down until 183 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: we train our brain and our tongue, our internal core, diaphragm, 184 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: all that to work together, so it'll sound something like this. 185 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: Come just slowly, work at it, work at it until 186 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: you break it down. You just first make that sound, 187 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 1: and then once you kind of get that figured out, 188 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: speed it up a little bit, put them together a 189 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: little quicker until you can do it like this. Now, 190 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: once you've learned how to make the perfect one, right, 191 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: so we can make every time you put the diaphragm 192 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: in your mouth, you can make that you know what's 193 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: gonna come out. You can make that perfect grunt or chuckle. 194 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: Oh great, we can make one perfect one. So make 195 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: a perfect one inhale. Get a big bunch of air 196 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: in your lungs. Be careful, don't don't suck the diaphragm 197 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: down your throat. A good buddy of mine, Jermaine Hodge, 198 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: world champion collar he was showing his wife and kids, 199 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: is like, all right, here's how you gotta do it. 200 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta in between each chuckle or grunt, 201 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: you have to. You have to inhale real big, and 202 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: he kind of over exaggerated as inhale, and he sucked 203 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: that diaphragm down his throat literally and uh, it took 204 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: a while for it to come out, but did it 205 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: did everything. He didn't have to have surgery anything and everything. 206 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: Nature took its course. But you know that can be scary. 207 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,599 Speaker 1: You know, it could have blocked his throat and he 208 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: might have had to go to the emergency room. So 209 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: just it's you got have to be careful when you're 210 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: when you're doing this, either working with yourself, working with kids, 211 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: or working with others. You never know. You could suck 212 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: one of these diaphragms down your throat and that would 213 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: be that'd be a bad day. So anyhow, build make 214 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: that perfect one, take a deep breath, make another perfect one. 215 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: We're not in a rush. We're not in a rush 216 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: to make seven. Our goal here is to make one 217 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: perfect one. Take a deep breath, make another perfect one. 218 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: Take a deep breath, make another perfect one. Something kind 219 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: of like this. 220 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: Oh, oh, just slowly work through this. 221 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: This is how we're practicing, over and over and over 222 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: again to where it just becomes natural. And then once 223 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: you can do that, then we want to quicken the 224 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: pace a little bit. Almost like almost like a chew 225 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: chew train. Uh take enough. You know, you're you're building tempo, 226 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: You're building, you're building uh pace. You know, it gets 227 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: a little quicker till we get the one that we 228 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: want to go with. Now, if it's a really fast 229 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: one for chuckles, if it's a lot slower one for grunts, 230 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: I'll let you decide. And it's just going to take 231 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: practice to do this. So make a perfect one, deep breath, 232 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: Make another perfect one, deep breath, make another perfect one. 233 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: Then slowly build that tempo, and I will say, practice 234 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: this with your tube. I've been doing a lot of 235 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: these demonstrations with without my tube, just to kind of 236 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: give you the sound profile, but definitely practice with your tube. 237 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: It seems like the more we practice whether tube, the 238 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: more comfortable we are with the tube. I've during these 239 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: coaching opportunities I've had over the years and working with folks. 240 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: If we if we spend too much time practicing without 241 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: a tube, then when we pick the tube up and 242 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: put it to our lips, that just adds a whole 243 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: new layer of different Right. Okay, you've trained your brain, 244 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: your your tongue, your diaphragm, you your core all of that, 245 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: you've trained that, and then you put a tube to 246 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: your lips, and now your lips are like what do 247 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: I do with my lips? So you have to, like 248 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: I would, I would say practice if you can't practice 249 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: this with a tube as much as possible, maybe to 250 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: get the very fundamentals down. You know, if you're having 251 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: trouble hitting that, you know, breaking apart the diaphragm and 252 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: the punch to the gut, you do that without a tube. 253 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: But just as soon as you can start figuring that out, 254 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: put your tube up there, seal off all the air, 255 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: don't let it come around the edges. Don't have any 256 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: cracks or gaps on your lips. We want all this 257 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: sound to go inside the tube. We want that good 258 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: hollow thump sound from your punch to the gut. Right. 259 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: And some some ladies, you know, have a hard time 260 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: with this part coaching. Some of the ladies they just 261 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: they're not they don't have a naturally deep voice, or 262 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: they're not they don't naturally go around making beat box 263 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: sounds like a lot of the guys do. For for 264 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: whatever reason. So one gal, I'm like, oh, you gotta 265 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: get like you gotta you gotta dig in deep, like 266 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: what makes your husband? What does your husband do to 267 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 1: make you mad? You know where you're like, oh, you know, 268 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: you're just you're really getting frustrated. Maybe you may have 269 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: to tap into that inner inner beast a little bit 270 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: that you maybe you have never set free or maybe 271 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: you don't set free very often, but you have to. 272 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: You have to experiment with that, and I know you 273 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: can do it. You know, ladies or even guys sometimes 274 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: because there's a there's a young lady. She's a teenage 275 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: girl from from eastern Oregon. She came to one of 276 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: my seminars one time and the and she was probably 277 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: thirteen the first time I ever heard her call and 278 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: she said hey, after the seminar was over, she's like, hey, 279 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: can I can I do some calling for you? And 280 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear your calling. And I was blown away. 281 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: She had mastered those deep guttural thumps for her chuckles 282 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: and grunts. She could inflect her voice like we did 283 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: on the on the on the bugles where we kind 284 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: of cleared our throat like it was amazing. She can 285 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: bugle at thirteen better than ninety percent of men that 286 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: I've heard out there so very very cool. So I 287 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: feel like if that thirteen year old young lady could 288 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: could do that, you know, any any ladies can do it. 289 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: Any guys can do it, even kids. It's just finding 290 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: that spot. And I feel like maybe guys have a 291 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: little easier time with it because we're always trying to 292 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 1: flex our bravado with our deep voice. Or maybe we 293 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: like listening to rap music and we kind of like 294 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: to do the puck stuff. I don't know. So some 295 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: of us come at it real naturally and others have 296 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: to work at it more. And that's okay, just work 297 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 1: at it. It's because like any anything, like some people 298 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,959 Speaker 1: tape can can can pick up an instrument or some 299 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: kind of sport or or anything and just pick it 300 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: right up there and natural at it. Well, some elk 301 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: calling is no different. Some people pick right up to 302 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: elk calling right away. Others of us we have to. 303 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: We have to practice a lot, so don't get gets discouraged. 304 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: I've some of the folks have coached over the years 305 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: have messaged me a couple of years later and sent 306 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: me a bugle and chuckles and all the calls, and 307 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: they're like, man, I finally figured this out. It just 308 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: took me a while. And now you know the great 309 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: caller is going to be able to call in elk, 310 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: so so don't don't give up. So anyway, back to 311 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: the back of the chuckles and grunts to practice those 312 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: with the tube. And once you you kind of start 313 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: making the chuckles and grunts and you're like, oh, it's working, 314 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: it's working, then you can push to get a little 315 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: bit different notes. You notice I can get some little 316 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: higher notes, a little lower notes with the with the 317 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: diaphragm portion of my of my chuckle or grunt. That's 318 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: just experimenting pushing a little harder with my tongue, you know, 319 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: to hit that higher note, or or not pushing quite 320 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: as quite as hard with my tongue to hit those 321 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: lower notes. All right, So since we've been talking about 322 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: chuckles and grunts, it seems like we should be talking 323 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 1: about barks barking, right, And basically a bark is an 324 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: exaggerated grunt, and you might you might say, what, what 325 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: the heck, why would you want to bark at an elk. 326 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: We talked about this in episode ninety four in Non 327 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: Typical Elk Calling, we covered barks and other elk vocalizations, 328 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: and the bark is not always an alarm. A lot 329 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: of times when bulls are hung up, they will bark 330 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: at us, will come in, they'll rake the horns, and 331 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: if that other bull at I e. The hunter, doesn't 332 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: show themselves, that bull will kind of get nervous and 333 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: be like, hey, I came all the way over here. 334 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: You know, we were having an an argument and I've 335 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: challenged you and you have not shown yourself. A lot 336 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 1: of times they will bark and kind of say, they 337 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: will kind of say, you know, show yourself. In my mind, 338 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: that's what they're saying. Now, who knows in in an 339 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: elk's mind, But to me, that's what they're saying. And 340 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: just from my anecdotal experience is that that kind of 341 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 1: makes sense. Just because they'll come in, they'll hang up, 342 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: they'll rub for a while, and if they don't, if 343 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: they don't just come in after that, they kind of 344 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 1: get nervous. They'll bark a couple times, and that's when 345 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: I bark back at them. And a lot of times 346 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: after I bark, I'll bark and chuckle. I'll bark and scream, 347 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: and I'll do what I call the old we iype 348 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: wisbang we Ipe is the small North Idaho town I 349 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: grew up in as a kid. I don't know I 350 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: call it that. It just came out. I blurted it 351 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: out one day. Kind of a stupid name. But anyway, 352 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: what the Wei wiz Bang is is I bark, scream 353 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: or bark and chuckle whatever seems appropriate at the time, 354 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: and then I'll charge up like I'm a pissed off bull. 355 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: I'll call charge up. If the bull's fifty yards, maybe 356 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: I'll charge up twenty twenty five yards. If they're sixty 357 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: yards thirty yards right, I want to try to cover 358 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: half the distance to where once that bull unlocks and says, oh, 359 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: I got to see this other bull and they step 360 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: out from behind the tree they've been hiding behind, I'll 361 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: be within shooting distance. Now sixty percent of the time. 362 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: It works every time. I don't even know what works 363 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: that much, but it is a very effective tool. And 364 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: I've killed a lot of bulls that way. I've called 365 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: in a lot of bulls that way. Sometimes they didn't 366 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: just didn't get to get the shot because there's too 367 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: much brush, good old, good old Idaho brush in the way. 368 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,879 Speaker 1: But I kept him from leaving because a lot of 369 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: times they'll come in and they'll bark, and if you 370 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 1: feel like, oh man, man bark, Now you're pinned down right, 371 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: I can't do anything. And that's a I remember having 372 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: that feeling as a younger caller, a less experienced collar, 373 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: and I would kind of go quiet, like, oh man, 374 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: he saw me, he heard meath something's not right. And 375 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: if they bark and they don't get the right reaction, 376 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: a lot of times they just walk away. And once 377 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: that bull walks away and he gets eighty yards to 378 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: one hundred yards away and walks away that far. At 379 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: that point, he's kind of deemed you as a chicken. 380 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: He's like, man, this guy, he's a chump. Heete. He 381 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: talked a lot of game, but I shut him right up. 382 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: And a lot of times you you can try pretty 383 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: hard and you can't get that interaction going again. It's 384 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: like once they kind of write you off, then you're 385 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: done for the day with that bull. So that's kind 386 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: of why I like to escalate a little bit at 387 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: that last time. Whenever they bark, then I will I'll 388 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: bark back, and I'll move up and just walk. Sometimes 389 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: it like I take five steps just enough to where 390 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: I'm popping some brush and breaking some sticks and that 391 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: right there is enough. They're like, oh, here it comes, 392 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: and they'll pop out and they'll want to they want 393 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: to see that bull that's approaching, and a lot of 394 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: times it's broadside, which is kind of counterintuitive. This is 395 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: like a great solo tactic because a lot of folks, oh, 396 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: you know, as a solo hunter, you know a lot 397 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: of times you'll get them coming in front on you know, 398 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: a frontal shot, but a lot of times they'll come 399 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: out kind of broadside because they want to make theirselves 400 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: look big. At this point, they hear that bull coming, 401 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: It's time to show off, right, I want to show 402 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: this other bowl how big I am. I'm gonna stand 403 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: here broadside, puff up, I'm gonna display my antlers. I'm 404 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: gonna put my antlers back and kind of move my 405 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: head around, or I may just stand there facing my 406 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: head turned towards him. You know, just just wanting to 407 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: make myself look big. And if you can get move 408 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: up a little bit, stop knock your arrow and be 409 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: ready for that interaction to happen. A lot of times 410 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: you can get a shot. So back to how to 411 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: make a bark. So, like I said, it's an exaggerated 412 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: an exaggerated chuckle or a grunt. More of a exaggerated grunt. 413 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: I think it's a little longer than a chuckle, which 414 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: is an exaggerated cow call. So remember back in this 415 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: previous episode we talked about how to you know, do fundamentals, 416 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: cow calls, bugles, all that, all those little things. Learning 417 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: learning all those basic sounds from the beginning will help 418 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: you all along this journey. So the biggest difference between 419 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: a bark and a chuckle or a grunt is the intensity. 420 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: So let's say a chuckle or a grunt that's level six, 421 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: level level five. As far as intensity and volume, you 422 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 1: don't have to be super loud, just has to be 423 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: well articulated. But a bark, we're turning the knob up 424 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: to ten, maybe even eleven. Right, this is going to 425 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: be loud. If you ever hear an elk bark, it's loud. 426 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 1: So I'll demonstrate my version of one wow. A lot 427 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: of times they'll make one big high one big bark. One. 428 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes they'll even make a bark and then a second one. 429 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 1: Maybe that's not quite as high pitched, but I'm trying 430 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: to make that thing as high pitch as I can 431 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: and inflect as much voice as I can. And there again, 432 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: if you're struggling separate in your voice and the diaphragm sound, 433 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: you just have to practice that. You know, slow it 434 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: way down until you can do it slowly and execute 435 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: it perfectly, and then pick it up make it go faster. 436 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: And then after you do that, you could even add 437 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: some chuckles. Sometimes I'll just bark and scream and they'll 438 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: charge forward, doing the old weipe whizbang all right. Last, 439 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: but not least in these advanced calls, is the lip ball. Now, 440 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: I'd say, what the heck's a lipball? Some people call 441 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: it all sorts of things, but basically, you're buzzing your 442 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: lips to make a balling sound, kind of a gut ural, 443 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: wheezy sound. You're adding that kind of sound to your bugle. 444 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: It's real nasty. You've you've probably heard it, you've probably 445 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: maybe you've heard other hunters do it, but maybe you 446 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: haven't heard a bull do it. But essentially, you're making 447 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: a bawling sound by buzzing your lips. And this is 448 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: probably the hardest call for most folks. Right after chuckles 449 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: and grunt. Some people even get pretty good at this 450 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: but still struggle with the chuckles and grunt. So pick 451 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: your poison, right. Everybody has their own weaknesses and their 452 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: own you know what things they excel at. But I 453 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: do know when I first started trying to make this 454 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: lip ball, I sucked. I couldn't do it. It's it was like, man, 455 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: because I was thinking so much about all right, make 456 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: the lip buzz thing and then trying to get the 457 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: bugle to come along with it and have a good 458 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: smooth transition. It would just it just never sounded right. 459 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: So at that time, I was working hard at trying 460 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: to be a competition ELK caller, you know, for the 461 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: World Championships that the Rocky Mountain ELK Foundation puts on 462 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: every year. And I'm like, well, I can't compete with 463 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: all these other hunters or callers if they can do 464 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: that well and I can't. So I began practicing, and 465 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: I felt like, okay, as with anything calling, don't practice 466 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: what you're good at, practice what you suck at, which 467 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: happened to be the lip ball. So what I would do, 468 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: and it was the whole buzzing of the lips right, 469 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: and I'd watched lots of people do it, and most 470 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: of them put their tube on the front of their lips, 471 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: right below their nose, you know, that little dip under 472 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: your nose. It looks like somebody pressed their finger right 473 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: under your nose and left a mark, you know. They 474 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: centered centered their tube up with that mark, you know, 475 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: right in the front of their lips. And I really 476 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: struggled with that. But then after I messed around and 477 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: played with buzzing my lips on my tube, I found 478 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: that putting the tube on the right side of my lips, 479 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: almost in the corner of my lips, my lips buzzed better. 480 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: They buzzed really well there. So some people they they're 481 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: a left side buzzer, sometimes they're a center buzzer. Sometimes 482 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: they're a right side buzzer. Like me, you just have 483 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: to explore, you have to you have to experiment with 484 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: buzzing your lips. And it's not a natural It's not 485 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: a natural thing to do. As kids, you know, we 486 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: walked around being especially boys, you walk around being annoying 487 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: to everybody, buzzing your lips, making weird and goofy noises 488 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: and stuff. Girls not so much. Seems like just us 489 00:30:53,920 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: boys are just so annoying. But by practicing spearmenting and 490 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: like trying to figure out how do you buzz your 491 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: lips the best. And if you buzz your lips too tight, 492 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: if you if you flex your lips too tight, they 493 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: don't get a good buzz if you if you don't 494 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: do them tight enough, they won't hardly buzz at all. 495 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: You have to find that that perfect, perfect tension on 496 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: your lips. And it's a lot easier to practice this 497 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: on your tube than it is without a tube. I 498 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: found I kind of struggled to do it without a tube. 499 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: So you could make like the okay sign with your 500 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: thumb and your and your first finger. You can make 501 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: a little circle there if you didn't have a tube, 502 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: and you could put your lips on it. It's just 503 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: it just nice to have something to place your lips 504 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: on it. They seem to perform a little better. It's 505 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: so silly. You can buzz your lips doing that. Now. 506 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: I sat down and I watched I'm like, all right, 507 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to practice this every night. I practiced every 508 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: night for a month. They get off work, be watching 509 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: TV with the wife and kids, and I would cover 510 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: the end of my tube, so it wasn't loud, and 511 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: I'd sit there buzzing my lips watching TV. Of course, 512 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: you can imagine the eye rolls I got from my wife. 513 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: She's just like, you're a weirdo, what do you do 514 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: with this? But she kind of kind of expect it, 515 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, she knew I'm kind of weird anyway, making 516 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: all these animal noises in the house. Some of us 517 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: don't have that luxury. Some might just get kicked out 518 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: of the house. Right, So if you if you have to, 519 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, this is something you can do on your 520 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: on your drive to work, on your commute. You can 521 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: do it out in the garage, maybe a little bit 522 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: of man time out in the shop. You know, you 523 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: don't have to do it for hours. But if you 524 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: were sitting there for you know, ten minutes a day 525 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: buzzing your lips on your tube, you'll figure this out. 526 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: You First off, you have to become very proficient at 527 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: buzzing your lips, so every single time that you put 528 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: that tube to your lips, it's going to make that 529 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: right buzz. Now, if I found like there's there's a 530 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: lot of technique like which is kind of hard to 531 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: explain without showing you in person, right, But there's some 532 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: lipballing that you do with more the out outer part 533 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: of your lips, the part that's gonna buzz closest to 534 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: the tube. Then if you really, if you almost like 535 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: do duck lips like the girls used to do on 536 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: social media right back in two thousand and nine, If 537 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 1: you do duck lips and the more inner part of 538 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: your of your lip, the fleshy inner part closer to 539 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: your teeth, if you can learn to make that buzz, 540 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: it'll make a nastier, dirtier buzz and a dirtier lip ball, 541 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: which is super desirable. Like people people love that ELK 542 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: love that it's going to sound a lot more realistic 543 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: because no matter how hard and how good we practice 544 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: and how good we sound and how big and badass 545 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: we see when it comes right down to like going 546 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: bugle for bugle for an elk and you're standing there listening, 547 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, that's like fifty percent. Like even like 548 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: a five point, like a two and a half year 549 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: old five point can sound pretty wicked compared to a caller, 550 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: especially if you step back, like let's say the caller is, 551 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: you know, fifty sixty eighty yards away and the bowl 552 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: is the same. It's just like there's no comparison, and 553 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: a real elk is is really hard to compete with. 554 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: So a lot of people will say, you know, never 555 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: never overdo it. You want to call as whimpy as 556 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 1: you can. Well, if I call wimpy as I can, 557 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm not even I'm not even the same world as 558 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: a real elk. Right, even a wimpy elk. There's a 559 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: lot of wimpy elk out there, but there's sure volume there. 560 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: Volume that comes out of their lungs across their vocal 561 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: cords is amazing, right, So I feel like when a 562 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 1: bowl is bugling aggressively making those big nasty lip ball 563 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: type sounds, now he's not doing that he with these lips. 564 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: He's he's doing that with his his vocal cords. And 565 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: over the years, like there's been some bulls, like old, 566 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: old mature bulls, I don't know how old they were. 567 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,919 Speaker 1: They had big orange handlers as some people call them, 568 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: and giant body looked like a school bus pushing through 569 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: the brush, right, And some of these bulls would have 570 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: no high pitch at all to their bugle. It would 571 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: just a just kind of a groany, wheezy sound that's 572 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,439 Speaker 1: from for the last ten years or twelve years, however 573 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: old this bull was from just destroying his focal cords 574 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: from bugling. Now, I will say a two and a half, 575 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: three and a half year old five point that thinks 576 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: he's tougher than John Wayne's kid, Well that bowl. Those 577 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 1: bulls can can be pretty deceiving too, Like they can 578 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: they can really get grolly and get that gravelly voice 579 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: and almost lose their the high pitch to their voice. 580 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: I've heard, I've seen it. So like they say, you 581 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: can't you can't judge a bull by by his bugle, 582 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: but a lot of times you can. But it's not 583 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 1: a it's not a perfect science by no means for anyone, 584 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: for for anybody that I know this haves have spent 585 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: a lot of time, you know, in the woods listening 586 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 1: to bulls. But back back to I kind of got 587 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: side railed there, back to how to make this call. 588 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: So we're buzzing our lips. You buzz, buzz, buzz, put 589 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: your lips on the tube. You don't want to, you 590 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: don't wanna, you don't want to purse your lips and 591 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: make them tight like you're trying to operate a blowgun, right, 592 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: or maybe maybe the blowgun people are bringing to comment 593 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: and say, well that's not how you run a blowgun either. 594 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,799 Speaker 1: But but put your butt your lips up there and 595 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: just make you know, tighten them up just enough tension 596 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: to where you can can make a buzz. Now you 597 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: just have to experiment, uh uh uh ah, and you 598 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: sit there and buzz. Now. Be in a band a geek, right. 599 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 1: I played band in high school as a saxophone player, 600 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,719 Speaker 1: if you will, a real kinney g except I was 601 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: not that good. But I remember the trumpet people, you know, 602 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 1: the brass folks that had the little mouthpiece that where 603 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 1: they buzz their lips, you know before the big concert 604 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: and stuff. You know that our band instructor would say, hey, everybody, 605 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: you know all the brass people, pull your mouthpiece off 606 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: of your instrument and buzz your lips into the mouthpiece 607 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: because that warms up your lips, It gets the blood 608 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: flowing in there, It desensitizes them and makes more pliable. 609 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: And this is this holds true for buzzing for your 610 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: lip balls too, for elk. So that first, what you're 611 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: gonna find it's gonna be unnatural. Your lips are gonna 612 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: feel kind of tight. But as you do this, like 613 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: within thirty second, if you just start doing every breath 614 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: for like thirty seconds to a minute, you're gonna start 615 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: noticing your your your lips are gonna fill a lot 616 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: more pliable, a lot more soft, little bit more a 617 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 1: little almost almost numb actually. So warm up your lips 618 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: and then just practice and practice and practice, and once 619 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: you can get to the point where every time you 620 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: put your lips on that tube and you can buzz them, 621 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: that's when we put our diaphragm in our mouth and 622 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: start practicing that. So remember our good old friend Mosquito. Well, 623 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: Mosquito is gonna help us out here again. Remember that 624 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,560 Speaker 1: high note a lot of folks struggle with. If you 625 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: can master that from the beginning, Okay, we're gonna use 626 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,279 Speaker 1: it for our lip ball here. So we're gonna hit 627 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: that high mosquito, noight, high mosquito note and buzz our 628 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: lips and hold it. And then right at the end 629 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,399 Speaker 1: we're gonna quit buzzing. We're gonna drop off the back 630 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,439 Speaker 1: side and we're gonna do that punch to the gut right. 631 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: It's kind of like the combination of a few different things. 632 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: Mosquito normal bugle, like locater bugle, buzze your lips and 633 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 1: then drop off the back punch to the gup. Sounds 634 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: like this. Now, if that's the only one you can 635 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,719 Speaker 1: do it, you can't do like a full bugle and 636 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,919 Speaker 1: then put a lip buzz and a lip ball into 637 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: your full bugle and drop it off the back. That's okay, 638 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: this works too, But if you want to, if you 639 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 1: want to get good at that, just practice that over 640 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: and over and over and over again, just one lip 641 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: ball bugle after another, over and over again, and then 642 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: you'll be like, oh I got this. So come September, 643 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 1: you start hearing a big bull doing that, you want 644 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,399 Speaker 1: to do the same thing. You can do it now 645 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: for the full bugle, where it's no different than a 646 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: normal full bugle. We're gonna inflect our voice in the 647 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: beginning like we're trying to clear our throat. Then we're 648 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: gonna hit our diaphragm. We're gonna barely touch our diaphragm, 649 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: make a little bit of a noise as soon as 650 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 1: we get that. As soon as that diaphragm joins our 651 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: voice inflection. We're gonna tighten up and climb the stair 652 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,839 Speaker 1: case of notes. Of course, as you climb the staircase notes, 653 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: you remove your voice inflection. Get to that top high note. 654 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 1: Soon as you hit the top of that top of 655 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 1: the ladder with your notes, that's when you buzz your lips. 656 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: Buzz it, hold it, and then drop off the bat 657 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: And at the end that note, that inning note. Right 658 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 1: before you drop it off, you might even you might 659 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: even throw a little bit of extra air volume at 660 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 1: that high pitched note and then drop it off to 661 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: that punch of the gut. I'd like to say it's 662 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: simple for me. It is, but I've practiced this this 663 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,919 Speaker 1: like in nineteen ninety seven. I figured this out right. 664 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,879 Speaker 1: So since ninety seven until twenty twenty four, I've been 665 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: proficient at it. So it's second nature to me. So 666 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: if you suck right from the beginning, I did too. 667 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 1: It just takes some time. Invest that time. We have 668 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: sixteen days till September. You could figure this out in 669 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: the next sixteen days, I promise you. And when you're practicing. 670 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: We talked about this in that previous episode. When you're practicing, 671 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: get on the YouTube you know, watch real elk rut 672 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 1: and vocalize with each other. There's a lot of channels 673 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:46,280 Speaker 1: out there who record elk vocalizations in national parks and places, 674 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: and you just get to hear. You get to hear 675 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 1: the full gamut, and what you'll soon figure out is like, Wow, 676 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: these elk don't really sound like those world champion collers 677 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,040 Speaker 1: I see on YouTube. They sound kind of the same, 678 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 1: but really there's a big difference. And one of the 679 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: cool differences you're gonna see is there's a lot of 680 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: balls that just don't bugle perfect. They got a weird 681 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: off sound and bugle it's just like wow, that sounded terrible, 682 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: But it doesn't sound like an inexperienced caller who just 683 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: cracked open his his his calls from the walmart on 684 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: the way to hunting camp. Right, He's not making weird 685 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: puppy noises or something. You know it. You know, even 686 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 1: if you can't master a perfect, quintessential bugle like all 687 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: your favorite YouTube callers, but you sound like a mad elk. 688 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: You know, you sound like an elk that's kind of 689 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,839 Speaker 1: ticked off and it ain't perfect. That's what calls real 690 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: elk in So practice to the sounds of real elk 691 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: and you'll be able to call him in. Well, that's 692 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,759 Speaker 1: it for this episode. One thing I would definitely recommend 693 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: downloading this episode and episode ninety six just in case 694 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: this all you're in the back country and you're like, 695 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: you know, dang it, you get stuck and you're like, 696 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,239 Speaker 1: how did I mean I need to remember how to 697 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: make that one call. If you don't have service, you'll 698 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: be able to listen to it and be like, oh, yeah, 699 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 1: I remember that's what he said. You can download that 700 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,800 Speaker 1: and get a little refresher during mid season or whatever 701 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 1: along the hunt. If even if you're backpacked in you'll 702 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: be able to listen to it up close to your 703 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,359 Speaker 1: at night or something, just to make sure that you're 704 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: getting it figured out. And like I mentioned mentioned last time, 705 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: if you'd like to watch me make these calls, you 706 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,320 Speaker 1: can check out my personal YouTube channel. It's one word, 707 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: the bugler, right, the bugler, and sometimes it'll it'll really 708 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: move the needle to watch somebody making the rather than 709 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 1: just hear it. You can watch watch me make it. 710 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 1: You can watch what I'm doing with my jaw, my lips, 711 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: et cetera. It seems like I'm more of a visual learner, 712 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,799 Speaker 1: so I can only think there's probably a lot of 713 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: other people out there too that like to see visuals. 714 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 1: So I'll put a link in the show notes below 715 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,320 Speaker 1: how you're on this episode. So anyhow, well, thanks for listening. 716 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: Guys and gals. We'll catch up with you. We'll catch 717 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 1: up with you on the next episode. 718 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:30,160 Speaker 2: Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Yeah.